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My join brendan increase on the friday show to hang out- and this is right after we all saw the movie air. Some of them. you're here in this special is created by DJ. Copley k, a web puppy, forty five and his production label batcave bumpers, enjoy the Friday show friends and Happy new year again I mean that. How are you man has your brain? My brain I dont know mad at seems to be there. It seems to be a little janky well yeah. I am interested to know exactly what is behind this text I received at twelve

Fifty eight today just says wonder if this regan trip is fucking with my brain, like I'm not getting enough grain food, I read that makes sense. I was not aware of that. How is that a weird text? I want to know why food you think is specifically a giving you better intelligence or more connected neural pathways and which ones are harming I heard that the the bad cholesterol, you need some of your brain, ok, you gonna have rights arise again, have some eggs right? The meat collection It goes to your brain aids for brain brain food. Now, if you get too low and that you know you get you get their lupi, I'm pretty sure a carrot counts. Like I think back I don't know look here I mean if you want to believe bugs bunny

and your spanish is good strang fought by us not for brain size as well. The bustle about this buddy, who is very crafty, though he could like just talk you into putting your head in an oven. So I believe in the care- and I think that's probably true- I just I don't know man- I'm going to go, get those blood tests tomorrow and in more hammer it out. That was not your doctor today today was the yearly year earlier. Semi yearly skin check or get no more just work at your body. That guy, and he says things like that. You don't understand you, a nurse, circular dangerous thinker, cutaneous that regulate, and then, like you, just counted, love thing. on my body yapping bad. I always like when they're like when there behind you, and you hear him good luck, on my way, white, satin, good or bad and sure sure it's worth when they, when they're, giving a prostate exam.

I haven't done there yet you're one of these guys you fucking idiot, No, I'm I'm only like forty three when he spoke again Forty five rate Why? I think there is different, like insure prostate exams, different, though than colonoscopy right, but you can get a finger up your ass, any time ability to morrow lasers, words, cheese, it s just ass, I thought you'd be a professional opinion, but I mean you know, doll baby. I know a guy titans whereby there is a lot of barter that goes on there. my wanna go to a lobby of hotel somewhere The other thing mark that we can talk about. Your briefly is that you saw the movie air, which now the three of us have all seen and

I think, is a great example for you, and especially for people. Listening to this, the idea that this movie air is about the creation of nike, sneakers, specific thickly around the mid eighties nba and it still such a compelling, interesting movie. Fun movie to watch like that is a great proof of concept that you can make a movie out of anything. Well yeah, but you know I could see story by it, it is true. I don't know why they chose that story. It's my feeling. They're, probably to do in five different sport movies like this the other guy, do want about running shorts without rackets that got balls she could find the story anywhere clubs, often clubs, I think we might have been in a new era of

movie made without brands. I wanna know how our brand sure to be. Why I, when I don't think that's actually you absolutely true, because their running out of these, like this, like fantasy ip stuff there's there has not been in other than like harry potter in the last twenty years, something that kind of universally a beloved as a worldwide global p the way common eggs are in star wars, and that's all there either going to go to brands heinz ketchup. one yad robot has already said and as in bed, you double that I'd be got. All movie argued television seared that number. So it's I'd like to see a mini series on the history of the eager meister, you know it is actually really good one. They should definitely do this strolls beer, there

apparently was set at some story about, like that. The family got in a war with each other. Over straws and I really eventually wound up selling it to pabst and everyone lost all their money, yeah they should deftly make destroys brewing war movie yeah. I think, there's a more uplifting movie than the auction cotton. Actually, I'm not an uplifting brand movie. I think I think there's a new teachers movie They say are living in this brand reality. We ass brands are going to be the next move, their making one about the making of the blackberry. Two from the point of view,

blackberry, stop touching me yeah, I dunno what that one's for either yeah, oh, my god, they used to have a whole thing in your act about blackberries about how. If you hit the t, it went up to the top. Remember that yeah yeah and it was like whoa you're genius, come back wizard, lady yeah, oh yeah, that's right! I remember, because you were like some one of these days, I'm just going to see a kid flying and we'd be like dude. How do you do that? I dunno my phone does. If that still could happen, more so than area and absolutely no, my phone does it One thing I thought was was interesting about air was literally the complete lack of villains. There's no like I guess,

other than like adidas converse. There's no violence in the movie. That's just like is this guy going to make this crazy deal happen? Yeah and well. You know the guy films There's name. He comes off his kind of a deck, a bit but totally in the end, easy they can convert him right like it's like the whole third act thing is that, like he comes around, I thought it was it was just seeing how all those guys handle the job of acting like all of them. Yeah SEN matt? isolating chris Tucker and woven davis viola Davis, but they all are very different actors. yeah and and matt damon's, the best yeah- especially when these vat damon fat name in math, is, is great yeah. Can you just like he's got himself go? His ego is he's just a brief poison

swamp and we have because he's he's a slob with megawatt charm still like he can never going to be able to hide what appealing about him yeah. I thought it was because I don't know I don't really know anything about basketball and do yeah exact, any was a good story, It was of a time. I really. I really thought that the you can get kind of annoying when they bobby dug up and had the same deck find all the equipment from the period, like I'd, never see, showcased. Quite so specific, It was literally just a shame, was montage here and there of things people had all, but there was one million per cent story intentional. Very now it was problem here that it was like they were too. He was trying to show how important brands are in this emerging culture. This mozart, gameboy there, though it

given the way in which this year Larry for your goes where he goes into seven eleven and you just get every the ngos, are, you know on the shower yeah slurry. There was a way, a wonder, bread and it was deliberately showing you the the kind of color of the logos and at, Fella get all wound a paying off that when you finally see that jordan silhouette logo, you, like as important as the ghosts bus? there's logo, or whenever was they showed earlier on in the movie that you like yours, guy earned his money like it absolutely? It becomes a story about personal worth that libya and viola Davis, as as Jordan's mom is like yeah. You will not undervalue my son. He is worth this god certainly was. It seems Four hundred million a year impassive inga income is wild. It's crazy,

see yeah by the way. The fact that you don't know anything about basketball- I guess the very last moment of that movie really resonated for you cause. You got to find out that Michael Jordan happened to become one of the best look at this, so excited for them yeah. I dunno he's going to do it. I dunno it turned out to be true. Mom said It's like it's like the end of the walk hard where they're like real dewey Cox, the real Michael Jordan high, was a real guy. Well yeah. I pulled one of those horrible old man, things with my with my girlfriend, the other. Then I run my was too bad. but the helicopter thing she's like that. That was kobe bryant. Yeah. Well, I would say I felt like sent you on these brains viral making. You like your concern about because and if I did I'd better nor more things to do than you don't follow this

and I said Michael Jordan still alive and she's ikea, my guy, it's cool. Yeah, I gotta get- would have theirs close it. I was grouse could happen. Anybody tell me what you think Chris I bet mark, would like the last dance Absolutely you would get together. I like most things if their yeah this was, I appreciate it was. It was like peak covert ride like right at a time when no one could go anywhere dad. as pierre had this eight part? Is it think its aid thing, it's your ten. He asked him, a documentary about the chicago bulls, the jordan era, chicago bulls, and the first major documentary produced with the cooperation of everyone involved so that jordan and scotty pip. phil jackson dennis rodman everybody associated with that team, and it's really entertaining and you an end, probably the best. So far the best

actual, look at Michael Jordan and his like the psychology of that guy and he's not just a one of a kind basketball player he's a one of a kind human being you're like oh yeah right. They don't make people like this, but what was your? He a good baseball player. No, no terrible! I mean he in he didn't he one three championships, and then he retired, which is still shrouded in like mystery and controversy mostly because people can understand it's. A j f k getting shot by people were like this had to be a conspiracy right wing just happen, so there's always conspiracy about he was forced to because of a gambling problem or something, but nobody ever knows in, and it sets point now. If there was a conspiracy, probably would have come out and outcomes razors, probably where you go with this, that he just burned out his dad but get been murdered. Answer He was just like. I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore and I went

and so great I'm going to go approach, something else and he tried to make it in major league baseball. He never made it past, like double a baseball in chicago in the minors. He was bad at that too. and why don't you tell us dad it was a car jacking that you know tat. I was doing a robbery and dad got killed and the That's also been fed into this conspiracy about like why you well, maybe that was a gambling debt or something, but it looks like it was just a robbery. by yeah he wines of coming back dead. Could that guy not have Well, exactly that huge gambling. You know he loves poker and stuff. You know yeah, but he makes four hundred million a year in his in his sleep right, yeah right yeah. What kind of debt would Michael, Jordan have to say gag give me another week fellas if there was any kind of if there was ever anything like that, it wouldn't be because he couldn't pay. It was just because he probably did it right

I should like that. I got, can only be the kind of guy who gets into situation and goes no fuck you and that, given you your money and Somebody feels like to get a teach him a lesson, but I do I want to reiterate. I don't think that's true. I really would ask quit basketball and went to play baseball and then came back any one. Three more championships: amazing weight of did it. It sounds like you is really a great player and I enjoyed learning about his shoe. It's a very special episode for us today. Matt singer Matt singer- is a film critic and writer and historian on film who now has a great book. It's called possible thumbs how fiscal and ebert changed movies for ever and a chris

mean. I don't know that there is much more that we have to say that we dont say in our actual conversation with mad, but I mean like this: to say as much we talked about wrestling or sports, or anything that we talk about here, like so skull. Any bird are as format. to our lives as any other element of culture. Would you say, that's fair, absolutely, that's your hair. I mean these there was a show. I would through my tv guide, to make sure it was on when it was on last week, a sunday. I will just moved around yes moved around, so I had to literally appointment television this and it's something I sought out and it is just something near and dear to my heart, as these two guys have were in my life for so long and like you, ass. They were you know too he about movies, but they also showed clips of these, which was super important because in those days was

if the thing you saw commercials on tv- and that was It- you see other movie clips unless you went to the movie- and this was just like- oh my god, I get to watch part of the movie on this show sign me up and then these guys would talk and they would bicker and they would debate and it was it's glorious. It was funny it was. It was sometimes just like holy shit. I can't believe he just said that to this guy and he's still just sitting there but yeah. It was just part of my and I love these two men yeah! Well, I got brought to it by my dad who was watching it when it was still on pbs and yeah yeah yeah, so we it was like a family thing like we'd we'd put it on the same way, you'd put on like the news like oh it's time for sneak previews and we'd watch. The movie show you know, and so I added fully ingrained in my mind and then when they went to syndication, so I was seeking it out wherever it was because that was like already my show like I was a show I watched with my family and there was a

a period of time. We're was on after wrestling yeah. on Saturday afternoon I would watch wrestling and then cisco any bird. I remember that vividly but yeah it couldn't have shaped my life. More roger ebert still continues to be a kind of lodestone for me, like someone who I consider spiritual and mental guideposts for like how I should live, my if he's really one of the last great humanists, I believe two of them mean a lot to me. They, have meaning to me individually, obviously roger more because he lived longer any as work output went on for a longer period of time, but yeah right there with you very important show for me. So I devoured this book when eyes at it and I definitely wanted to talk two matt singer, who is as me Japan is we are and but actually wound up going on and doing something with his life related to cisco, enabled related to reviewing movies so

This is bad singer who, like us, just wrote the book a thumbs, get it wherever you get books. If you're glennie bird fan. I guarantee you're gonna like it. If you're not assist glennie her fan, I guarantee you gonna, learn that- and I hope you learn something right now as Chris and I talk to at singer. We crossed paths with you before, but I'm not sure that you have any idea that we did because it was. It was digital conceivably anonymous by, but we knew that you were there and it was poor. Of night hawk movie trivia. we do regularly. There was one night where we were we, I think you might have made mention of it like on your twitter or something and we're like Oh oh matt, singer! We are up against him tonight

and you always like crushed us, Yang purred in person or pandemic time, yeah right right, right, yeah, I haven't I I went once in person recently, but yes did you have a regular teen name or did you changers so then I was fairly regularly for for the initial days. Like initial weeks of the quarantine, we were quarantine, wolf. Two oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah I was doing that with all my friends from grad school, basically, all my movie nerd friends yeah, so that yeah I used to love doing it. It was one of the few enjoyable things one could do at that time. Salvation it is we we like looked forward to it's like there are one night out. Even though, is in the exact exactly exactly, and it gave me an excuse to hang out with you

most of those those people don't live in new york anymore, so ass, like the most I had talked to those people four years so well, I'm I'm not surprised that we found ourselves in that similar circle, not just because we know similar people with different common friends. Common interests, but obviously I think all from like the same age. Co word, and you know you have written this book- that were I to have any talent as a writer. It probably would have been the first thing I would have tried to write to was a book about Cisco, a neighbour in fact, when I started reading it I sent chris attacks does maybe about ten pages in and, just said: I'm gonna cry reading this fucking book. I love these guys with all my heart ahead. and sure enough we both the boiler did you did I do it. Of course I mean like. I would be very disappointed if he didn't

any be hard pressed, not to cry about any. You know retelling of the final days of of of gene and roger by. But what I am also thinking about when, when I you know centre to Chris, was like why, like why and why, like where Werner forties? Now I constantly re watch these costs we watch entire shows of fiscal any bert. I reread redruth chris- and I were just talking about this like two weeks ago- we're talking about how we a bunch of arnold movies, and then, when we read all the roger reviews of these movies. and was so fulfilling right and I seek out things like your book like the ringer did a podcast on gene, and roger and obviously I read and seen life itself and so like I'm up with this question why do I love these guys? So much, and I guess the first thing

Ask you is, did you already have a solid answer to that or is part of writing the book you trying answer that question to what? First, Well, I just we got it. I want to hear about the arnold movies. Can we put a pin and that for later, because you're going to a year- or talking too may be the only- I sometimes call myself a schwarzenegger allah, just perhaps the only one on earth- and you know if I could write a book about that- I I we would so we have to talk about that at some point. I noted that not answer your question. The second, the second way I'm gonna void. Answering your question is just to say my one night: the only person who read this book while I was working on it is my wife, and I would give her chapters and say has this: how is this and she is not a movie nerd, you know she likes movies, but she's, not pathetic, like I and you guys are and when I gave her that part like I walked in and she was like at which you finished issues I crying and she's, like sonaput, like cats,

Make me read this. It's really upset you talking specifically about the chapter of of genes, death or re air, the stuff about about about gene, and I mean I I got to do the audio book myself. For for the which I wanted to do when we super fun for the most part, but then reading that part ed get a little a little heavy in terms of actual question. Why I like these guys yeah, I I did think a lot about that, because the show hit me at an age where, I never. I was too young to intellectualize the. Why cause I'm talking, I'm twelve and thirteen and me so the stuff I'm more by liking, is not to do, is to middle aged you know, dude in blazers and sweaters sitting in a movie theater talking about movies, and I was at that time. I was not the big.

Movie nerd, you know I went to movies. I watched playing. I grew up in suburban new jersey, so it's like enough something I was playing a dumb comedy. He was playing at the freehold, metroplex What movie city five? You know, I would ask you know like weirdo I think of it. Has a movie mob? Can you please take me to see you age now in space balls you know I was I liked spaceball more than star wars. Frankly, when I was a kid let's say I'm to be honest, I think a lot of people don't want to admit that, but I definitely death and really until I discovered cisco on Ebay. That was the kind of movies- that I was two and it really was the show that was like the the lightning ball, but like, oh, there are more movies out there. Then damn silly comedies, which I still loved get me wrong and the. Why is it is an internal question. I I don't know. I think I do.

wondered to some extent now whether it has in some ways, because I was joking about the sweater vests and the and the blazers and the fact that, frankly, let's be honest, these were not the coolest dude in the universe, but I think in some way that appealed to me, because even at that age I knew I was not cool. I was not going to be the star football player. I was not going to be a movie star. I think I understood that innately even at that age, and I think there were some appealing about be ordinariness of these guys at least the way they presented themselves on maybe they were amazing talkers and they were great tv presences, but there were some attainable about what they were doing, they were watching movies and they were talking about them, and I think that Really grabbed me in let me add that young age, I'm kind of- same feeling you did about you know they don't see, cool, but then, when you got into them

to me anyway, they work like these are like. If I were, you met Roger ebert later in his life. If I ever had been in that guy's presence, I would have crumbled guy van boy like I would I've. I've never had that experience really in front of any one famous, and I definitely would have in front of him. I would have been able to say anything I was paralyzed. fear to ever send anything to the movie answer. Man page, I was always Well, you know you know. I did that. I got into twice, I think, to the movie answer: man. Oh oh yeah, yeah! You can find him. I think, if you let me now, it might be tougher, but I think I mean I don't know if I was However, in one I mean first of all, I have since, for the movie answer man book, that was one of my favorite outrider, aber books, ethical head. Yes, I did right in several times and one, I believe, definitely once maybe twice. I gotta question answered and I think they may have been reprinted. Unlike you know,

He always put out the movie yearbook right in every eu actions in it. Yet they would he would he would compiled some of those movie answer. Man, colleagues in there- and I believe one of them might have been one of those books somewhere. It may be in my parents how somewhere, I think I have that that book, but that was very thrilling. sure I would have been violently envious of you. If I knew that I will say that you mentioned you know that date I did meet him, and I did get to work with him when I was a when he was older, and I was you know, sort of starting out and stuff, but I had met him before that. I had met him at a bad, a book signing in like today in five and you talk about not being able to you, think you would not be able to speak. I knew that was me. It was- and I can remember he did a book signing forward great movies to another one of his books. Here in new york. It was at the door. exist anymore was the barnes and noble by lincoln center. We a talk,

Well, he did he did a talk, and then you got your book signed and I remember waiting and going on the line and being like it was the full Chris Farley show moment. You know how or you remember review just as good. He were a job. I really wanted to be the ok guys, and I just remember I I feel like the response I got was something you know he's very smiley. friendly in nottingham, saying something aligns well good luck to you. You now suddenly I grad, but really was that sort of thy. When I met him again professionally, it did go a little bit better than that thankful but yes, I can put completely relate to that that feeling of absolutely they were inspirational figures in my life I dunno. If I ever thought, if I could be them, I could be cool cause. I I I I mean You know this was not the show for me that I would talk.

like you know sure, when I was that aid, I also watched seinfeld in the simpsons, and you would have friends that you would like quote those things with you know like did like the day after the new simpsons episode. You know you beat at lunchtime you be quoting that you remember that line yeah. That was a great part. Didn't do with fiscal neighbourhood. I got this was a kind of kept this one close to my best that wasn't really like on. Did you guys see the the review of independence day. Could you believe that that was while I'll that I did not do this was kind of like one of those things that was kind of kind of my seat, do you know what I mean and its, but great now is getting to talk to guys like you and writing the book it's like I'm realizing that this sea One thing that I was obsessed with is something that a lot of people of our age chair now. Were you always consistently one guy over the other? Like did you like where you like? You know people are either like a john guy or a paul guy. Were you a roger guy or like I mean I can say

personally there were dead in times in my life, where I was a different one of them, are like a related more to one over the other, whereas now, in my like you know, I would say the last maybe twenty years of life, I think of pretty consistently been roger guy. Now. My owe more too is longer body of work as he lived on, but there were dead. Many points in my life, whereas man genes always right rogers always wrong did. Did you have a similar thing? That's a good quest, should I I you know, I definitely what you're saying about you know. Roger guy later is true, and it is certainly true for me because you know, after being obsessed with the show and then you know, buying some of those books which you could then in the late nineties I gotta go to college and that's the the internet. Finally, really heads and roger reviews darkling up weekly on chicago, sometimes dot com or whatever the website was and now

fr. I am reading his reviews and unfortunately, genes already passed away by this point of that's really. When I become like a mega the pathetic your fan who goes to the book signing in his own room that guy because I was you know now fanatically. The united are already been a fan of the show, but now is really becoming a fan of his. His writing. During the time when I was a kid watching the show I you know. I know I don't know that I necessarily had a favor. I I really what I liked about it was that neither what they they felt like equals to me that they never felt like one was getting the better of the other, always felt to me like this epic struggle between these two, You know what I mean and they never. It wasn't like one ever said you not me their raw joy. I feel you you make a good point. You never heard the phrase make a good point on cisco any even when both of them often did make good points, they refused to concede that at any

anyone, but them made a good point right in all the of the show, I think, there's one example: jeanne changing his mind on the air, for a movie, the giant revolt action will be broken arrow you now, he gave it like a very mild, positive review, roger robots and says he, I think pretty much. What that is true except I dont think it's very good, and you know this was even worse than you said, and I didn't really care for this and goes like you know what I've never done. This and he never had any, never would again he's like I'm gonna twist the thumbs down you're right my praising here- it's not really that good thumbs down it's funny because I read reading it and in the book it was like. I was like somebody like writing

About like the helmet catch in the super bowl like I was like, I remember when that happened. Yeah like this vivid memory of the the graphic of the thumb being turned downward on screen. I like sitting there with my dad watching it I go whoa didn't see what was there was. It was like it was always as if a whole colina just picked up andre, the giant, yeah and then have because jean could not because I've been theoretic this is a victory for roger and has never happened in. He could not let that stand here ride in that moment to abuse like now, now. Do me a favor admit that you were wrong about carpet. I have with me the movie that famously, roger had given thumbs up to and liked, and he do it right or like? No? No! No! No! No! I I saw things in common ass, the bert reynolds comedy cop and a half that other people didn't see it somehow

So there you go yes, so yeah they they would. They fought and argued, but it was it was this, neither one would but you know what I mean and I think that's what I really loved about it is that they were so so dog it in their opinions. Is it you never knew who you were going to agree with. I guess to your point: is that may be sometimes you would be like you, I kind of veal gene is right or sometimes you might go yeah I think roger has a good point, dared not that they would ever admit that the other was at a good point, but I think that's what I really responded to when I was watching it was that they all he's felt like they were so evenly matched and neither one would would give an end to the other. That was part of the appeal when we started this. By talking about this. You know, trivia league, that we were. playing in over the pandemic, and you were saying how you gonna work were teamed up with people you we're friends with from grad school and

there was a line and jumped out of me in the book was specifically around. You talked about like the debate over what they were doing to critical discourse. Right specifically, the tv show in the famous richard corbett, article likening them to sit com and sing with degrading film discourse and, you have. A very simple kind of the bottle. I don't know if you intended to be a rebuttal, but it's like a one line rebuttal to all that, and it's like this was people's first taste of film school and. That, guy is close. I think, as I'd ever gotten to the question of the, why in there was, I. This is the only non real life relationship I have with people social whenever you want to call it, but like the only relationship with people. I have not met flesh and blood that I feel the way I do about it. of noble and life changing teacher. They did the hard work of

educating me to a point where I could change my view point on things or I could adjust the prism by which I was seeing the world in a way that helped that I thought that that the best teachers can do if they say just don't try to think about easing the test. Just listen! Listen to them saying, and I have to imagine you know feeling that way and then going to grad school and being a film scholar and now a person makes his living writing about film and enjoying film. You have two more more explicitly than I do draw the line to them in that way of of almost being you know an entry point into the you know discovery of film as an intellectual pursuit. one hundred percent. I totally thought of them later in life, and you know now think of them as yet, like my first film teachers and not that they certainly didn't know it at the time but You got me when you're you know when you're young, it's so easy to be, like a gate, a gate

bird and pushing people out of things and they were the gateway, not the gatekeepers? You know, I think they had this way of making films that would be very inaccessible, especially to like a thirteen year old. He doesn't know anything feel very. accessible. They made you want to go out and see these movies and they never made. You feel like because you hadn't seen something by fellini Your career, sour or renoir, whoever it was that you were. You are somehow lesser that they might think you're missing out and encourage you to go check it out, but they they made. You want to do that. They made you want to learn more. They made these very, potentially obtuse. Things seem within your grass. And you know I think they both were good at doing this, but roger especially as a writer is something I always especially later. When I got into his writing it so the thing that I'm always trying, I don't know how often I succeed, but always trying to capture is the way that he could write about

these movies in a way that made them feel so accessible and he was It was really one of his great gifts as a writer was. He was so good at that I favour chapters. I think is a chapter five, where you basically crew nicole genome roger making the rounds of various late night talk shows I knew of them on letterman, but I actually never knew the story of them being on the on the Johnny carson to NATO, and behind the scenes story of what happened there with is honestly problem. My favorite story in your entire book but you know I know from the book they use a stay up and why just go neighbour the show once your family fell asleep. When you were a kid, but did you ever watch or even know about them doing these late night shows or that something that was revealed later on in life? No, I Finally were watching because I around this aid was also when I discovered yeah like late night tv,

A letterman was always my favorite and conan. They did Conan too, although I think their most memorable appearances are more like letterman and, of course, if I was a huge conan, O'Brien fan growing up and which is being oh, that's right around that same time. That early nineties period is where I would stay up and watch letterman and then and then conan but yeah. I would. I would say that it, it it all kind of coincided, and I I would always get excited when they were on those shows- and I I do this. Though, shows were instrumental in helping them become the bigger the tv hours and islam, blushing them beyond. boundaries of the community of dweeb, like me who were watching the show because it was it was, in them to a more mainstream, a broader audience it was. It was having them sit next to the people that they were reviewing these. These movies are, you know, and a kind of putting them on equal star.

Footing and away because you know chevy chase would come out and promote three amigos and then cisco neighbour would come out and they would be. three meals. What chevy chace is still sitting there, and I think that was a huge boone, to them and to the show, because you know that talk a world wide. It can be very entertaining and amusing theirs. Certain amount of like forming a sword like just smiling us that's baked into that world, where everyone is happy, everyone's crack and jokes having a good time. Isn't it fun to be? Here, and isn't the movie I just made the best movie ever made. Let's show the clip Adam. It's great and it's coming out on friday, thanks for coming chubby, that kind of atmosphere and then they would come out next and be like. Actually, three me goes is not a good movie. You should not go see it. Sorry, chubby you'll be made good movies before you'll, make good movies again, but this one is at one of them and they were wanted you people who its do that on these shows date. They were honest. They cut through the bs

told it like it was an. U it reinforced that idea that I certainly believe that, now that never you heard their opinion. They were. I tell you what they thought and they weren't going to say anything because they wanted to make a star happy or a studio happy or a publicist asked them to be nice. You didn't care what anyone thought they were going to give you their opinion and that meant saying it to the face: of the star. You know Jeanne, especially kind of relished that he will ye was economy could be a confrontation a guy at times, and he didn't mind saying to someone space, you know you're new movie, isn't so great. Why are you making movies is good, as he used to make you. I would seemed almost pathological for him that he could not say something that was dishonest store. He couldn't you know be diplomatic he had to say exactly what he felt whether there was to a movie star to his boss or anybody with you. You point out.

One point in the book that roger says, like yeah, jean, doesn't care of people like him or not? I think tonight right and you know that is now I get in some situations. Maybe that's not a good thing for a film critic. That's of the best qualities you can have exact cause- and I say this from experience- you know people you want to people to like you. That's like a natural thing for most people, you don't you know, you're, not you know you? You want to have your opinion, but you also know I mean them necessary working to make people angry or dislike you, and he didn't. Care, and he you know- and it didn't matter where was it could be his favorite director if he thought Martin scorsese, he made a bad movie. He would say that they gave to thumbs down to the color of money, which I think is a great movie, but they were unimpressed and they didn't like it, even though they thought you know they later gave raging bowl. The other call that the best movie of the eighties and they loved

fell as in so many other scorsese movies. I think I didn't jean didn't like Cacena. He didn't give that you're writing gave. Homes are another amazing movie, but but I think that speaks to the fact that he didn't he didn't great on a curve. You know if I didn't matter that he loves course easy, and maybe he social Furthermore, the you know they wrote a book that the proceeds went discourse daisies film foundation. The only that they ever wrote together in fact its course easy. New movie is stinker according to him. He's gonna say that and idea. That was, it was great, and to do that, the film critic. It was great for the show and again it was amazing to see on talk, shows because again, talk shows like I said, I was a huge conan van and letterman vandal shows were great but what they brought shows that they didn't always otherwise have was was drama and tension in all its people are to have fun and smile and be happy and when they showed up

No, I was gonna happen. Maybe they were going to insult someone to their base. Maybe they were gonna piss, someone off and just that list bit of suspense and edge, gave a little thing to those shows when they were on them. When you also did answer something, I've always wondered because I have I saved. In my my photos, a picture roger and jean doing the double thumbs up with whole coke in right between them. And I've always wondered wait. Where did this come from the great deathly hate whole coggan movies like this? Wasn't like gotta junket or something and there's a these mention in the book there They were at the nappy convention, the television indication convention and w w was their putting on matches. So I have to believe that

It was the meeting of whole cog in and cisco neighbour, one hundred percent- and I I don't I'd- have to look at my notes. But somewhere I found a video like a news report from that pay. This the others indication convention, which I think actually does like within those like this year was maybe cancel permanently, possibly out like, but but until a few years ago, when cable, indication was big. This was like yeah that big industry event. Anyone who indicated a tv show or wanna do you show up here. You sell your where's like a tree joe and for siskel and ebert. This was a huge thing and they would go and they would promote the show and Yes, the w w have because there. product then, was all syndicated saturday morning, syndicated tv. They would a ring, and I found a clip of them like public doing like wrestling match is at one

this convention and then those audience of like twelve guys in suits, is a little bewildered. I can't remember any of the wrestlers that were in the clip, but for sure I guarantee you. That is where that picture. You're talking about of hulk, and this gloomy, but which I think I have seen and is definitely a weird for me to like a moment of my child, like childhood. Icons like merging and meeting in this very strange and and surreal way at the amateur man could have been like could have one through the background I would have been like you know if someone had like taken my brain and put it in a blender imported out onto a picture, it could have been. The ultimate like here personality in one picture the enjoy yeah. I

state every new year's, like a back as a be good to each other message. Spare a visual reverie earn allow. It is yes if they could get along and with that man appearing and no holds barred. And Mr Nannie S of urban commando, there's toper Secondly, there are, I will listen before we lose you, let's, let's wrap up with this arnold thing, because you know we had arnold on Dublin ii of last week and before that delete after chris- and I were talking about favorite arnold movies and we did our favorite five and so too, would you on the spot athlete like Arnold Schwartz? agriculture just that you are, just give us your dear top line, what what's the best arnold movie. That's it that's an impossible to answer, question, and you know that, oh yes, there are so many good ones, and there There are, but I will say it came pretty easy to marilla. Yet my best really, I die

in total recall was was by better great movie. I mean that's. Definitely in the conversation I mean to me: that's up there terminator terminator too is up there. But what I love dutch schwarzenegger and that it was an awesome podcast. and I have gone to interview now a few times and its that's another one where you fighting back visa for me anyway, the whole that the Chris Farley urge of view newbury may prove I had an endless there was an. in that case, I'm like actually interviewing about up about predator here I was made as Chris is number one by the way. Yes, bread fabulous movie, but yeah I mean to me what so interesting about arnold is that you know I've written pathetically at length This is that to me, arnold is like an unappreciated or tour of his movies. Have it now, He gets is due as an action star who made very entertaining movies. I think that this point that's pretty much agree.

on- and we all love terminator too, and we do and we love predator, in commando and all those movies. But what I love is that you, watch movies. And you see this guy, in about his life in these in these ways that maybe people didn't really notice at the time Look at how many movies are about husbands. Or screwing up their marriages or that are feeling guilty of having failed their wives or their children, especially in that later period, right after things are happening in his personal life. That might reflect that almost every movie he made after that, like period is I hope that in some way and an end, maybe they're the quorum court, bad movies. You know like that. Robin is about their husband, whose trial

to help his wife and his failed repeatedly and now he's this cold icy figure, no pun intended, except I would definitely intended it there are lots of puns a day, exactly exactly everyone was intended or or end of days he's a husband whose lost his family and he's like grappling with the guilty remo. or collateral damage. Where are you guy, whose family has been killed by a terrorist, any seeking revenge or me maggie, which is about a guy who is debating how to deal with his daughter and feel guilty about it at all. Could go on and I have gone on. I mean, if my name in our ports and agar you will find the pieces, I've written about this so yeah I mean like yeah. What, if I had to do it, one movie, I pray would pick terminator two or may be total recall, but I just think that on a nest alone, is kind of this way too, and I've written about that as well. You know there, you know we today, all tourist me they're, like the act tours, you know, these are the guys you had so much power.

They were the ones in you, know, picking the scripts and they were the ones often picking the directors you now producing their movies, or at least had the that you now that the Jews to what they decided was going with these movies. So these aren't, like coincidence, is in order. Mean right. So that's what I love about about arnold is that if you know his by, graffiti. That makes his movies even more interesting dollars All the good example, too, I mean last action. Euro is another good example. True lies I mean if that's not a movie about grits in a marriage, then there's never been a movie made about secrets in a marriage ever so that's the that's the stuff that I really really love about arnold. Well, I do hope that All, who were obviously people who are fans of cisco neighbour grand and have a kind of loved movies and loved the way movies have been reviewed since Cisco.

there was a show are going to find you know innumerable things about your book to enjoy, but I really do hope. People who, like are younger than that era or may be just you know, didn't pay it much mind. I really hope they get a hold of your book and I think it will open their eyes to something, and you know it becomes, gateway in itself like I I I'm envious of someone who gets to come to siskel and ebert with fresh eyes and kind of start on their own path with them. So you know on on that level. I think the book would be a tremendous success. Just for for new bees as well, but obviously for someone like me, someone like Chris and and obviously someone like yourself mad. This is right in the wheel house. Thank you some for doing it? Thank you so much for doing this with us. Thank you know. If it was a pleasure, it was nice to talk about fiscal neighbour with some fancy wrestling.

fans I feel like we, we probably could just keep talking. I have, I feel we speak the same language and it's very clear in many ways where it's like a it's like a duolingo of of a very certain type of media consumer. Yes, all right! Well, next time we're facing each other and trivia. We want to take it easy, the something that came up a few weeks ago. Chris was asking me, I believe, you're asking me about. Did I ever have any impulses to be a comedian or get into comedy, and and through my whole rigmarole with dad my whole should take, and- and you said no- you never had that- not even easing close, but the you did have the desire to once. Just once tell a story see there, you say, is your your like your one story. That was how you categorized it. This is my one store. I have one story and use.

I would like to tell it on the moth or this american life. Yes, when he was your honor show right now you have a show they do we access to every week and you can do this story at anytime, but I would not let you I said that had to be built right, so we we ended. Last week's show with a little bit of a cliffhanger and said that we will do this story and radio mega make anybody wait any longer, but the anticipate is killing everyone, and so Is it going to go right into it? This is your stuff. age crystal presto, store. You one story, and now the floor is yours. What is this story you have to tell? a story is about being banned for life from a grocery store. So I met a girl. Now my wife at the time she was a member of the park slope food co up ever heard of I have heard of it yet

the member only grocery store in parks, though brooklyn its legendary in its strife that is caused by the by the members of the park sub food co. Up, yes infamous, I would say So to be a member of this food co up you have to agree to work once every six weeks now, my wife at the time I she cuts cheese in the basement which sound how Larry had also seem to be a genuinely fun gig to have gathered thing, I heard one job there every week he has to go you that was always the same catches in the basement, always cutting cheese at the base of it. Every six weeks, yes, and is that what does that entail? it entails getting the cheese is from various regions of the world and

cutting them in an appropriate amount of weight, so that you can then bag it and they put a little. Scan scanner on it, and you know that people can buy it for X, amount of dollars. Ok, ok! Now I'm up to speed and this guy he's got up ones. We moved into gather. She told me that I should join the food co up because it would be considered stealing if I'm benefiting from her a grocer. So this exclusive grocery store- and let me tell you I was not into I bring grudgingly accepted. I am we're just someone who wants to make someone else happy, so I figure I do something interesting like cutting cheese or working. register or something right so filled out my application guy. Signed a job and a day and a time While I was assigned custodian at seven p, on Monday,

Did they look at you? First, when they was a totally visually? Judgmental still have the you that you look like you need to have a giant ring of keys and mop yeah yeah. I think it was blind. I mean I did ask like. Are you like? Is there anything like nah? This is all we got like okay, so my job was to empty wastebaskets clean the bathrooms breakdown tables and stacked chairs mop the floors, all kinds of it's stuff, not exactly what I had in mind so, and this is so, you could get like some fig spread or something right. This is all I can actually go sharp and give this phase money. So so I can. I can get food like this is

I could go to key food right down the street, but no, this food is better. Apparently, I digress. So for two whole years, every six weeks I had to stop what I was doing and go to the food co up and be a janitor for night. Every shift their with a check list of things to do there be like a few of us, each shift split the chores and divide and conquer ass time went on. I should be like a crew manager. I was like the manager. I would tell people. Ok, do this thing. I'll do this, and will we know that now that we will do so, I would listen a pie and entered the trash candid clean, the toilets. I would actually the clean the toilets at this place. Till every single item was checked off right, so we had a checklist, checked everything off and once everything was done, I would just leave. I would also tell my staff, like hey, you know, get it done,

we can get out of here before the second half of mine. I football Monday night role that sort of thing apparently it's not just the items to do on the list that are important. It's the amount of time you spend at, the grocery store, because I would withdraw my tasks in about an hour and then leave. Apparently this is frowned upon. Apparently I'm supposed to do all these tasks in two hours and forty five minutes. No less. So I was expected to be a janitor. An leisurely. Do these tasks, starting at seven p m and leave at nine forty five, so

one day I get a letter in the mail saying that I have been accused of time theft and I will have a chance to plead my case next week. First of all, I'm mortified, because this is my wife's thing. I don't give a shit about this grocery store. And here I am just fucking it up in mac, embarrassing her to her peers, right I planned out what I'm gonna say. I write it down that I knew the jet never miss a shift in two The whole years right AG dinner understand that I was required He therefore that long and just search a big for forgiveness in my coat foreigners are worn. It right. Well, I get to the color the admin office. Now this is the same room that I used to go and dismantle tables and stack chairs right well now I see why these tables were set up. It was set up to be a true. I was the defendant,

I sat on one table occur For me on another table where three people, the plaintiffs and between us with another table with three judge, Across from the judges, sat a fucking grocery store reporter. I should you not. grocery store reporter. I felt like Joe petty walking into the basement room thinking he was about to get made in good, fellows. Also upon reflection. The scene is basically the same exact seen from oppenheimer third, our oppenheimer, where he's on trial- that sounds a kangaroo court. Yes, tyrone kangaroo court go so the plaintiffs handout up thick packing. of documents, I'm weaving it right now. My get this week, packet of documents and the judge

Allow me a few minutes and look at all now friend in this document is about fifty pay yeah fifty pages long and in it are the list. of my time. That's occurrences in color screen shots of video. They have of me entering and leaving the grocery store like. jason, fucking balls, I swear. I, like you can say I know it's a other nor the pact as it like, there's fucking. videos or badly. I easy these enemies for Al Qaeda likely they deliver. My zero dark. Thirty really show like look. I think deadline was going in and out of the compound gear the alleged that I tried to hide my identity by switching shirts or removing a hat, their opening remarks by the plaintive,

ass. If I happily open remarks at I've, odyssey felt like say again, just like your betty eggs at this time my cousin Vinnie that everything they said was born. However, I tried stay professional. Let them know that no ill intent was happening again, hoping for slap on the strain they called witnesses to this. an administrative worker who saw me leave model times that I knew this mother fucker was was clocking me. I guess he was giving me like. It's like the evil eye. Just like this ball, the white bearded motherfucker anyway. He would say that you know she would see me every every shifted. I would leave before the the amount of time they also called the fucking video, a guy who was hired to to look at the surveillance and and

mark and take pictures of the video man of me ass. If he had only given to kaliko cut pants, you would, as I would get on your side, and he gives so when they asked me to testify. I threw myself on the mercy the court and explain that idle. I didn't know about the times desolation. Explain that I wasn't hiding my identity. I simply got sweaty walking up and down stairs and cleaning toilets, and I wanted to change so there's a mountain of evidence at this point piling up against me. They called a recess to talk amongst themselves and by the way, these fucking judges. There was like a nice judge who was like. Don't worry it's going to be fine and then, like a serious judge, just just be shaking his head, the entire time and then just like another judge, who was just kind of like find like a unilateral, we'll see what happens five minutes later, They call us back in and told me that I was found.

guilty and ban for life from the park. Slope color now is at this point man they too, that every member of my of my household was also banned or lie there on the grocery store. So I am now panicked. I beg them to spare my wife as she has thing to do with these crimes. Also slap on the rest warning. Nothing. They told me out at a group the idea we may think about doing warnings in the future, but but because private, There were no mornings, this, your band for life from this place, So they also told me that since we're living together. My wife and I there's no way for them to reconsider

I then started to lie and say that we were on rocky ground and going to separate any day nope that their decision is final, and that is how I got us banned for life from the park. Slope, color, wow- that's my- I mean it store began to have so many questions. If you shoot, what do you got all right so so? The first thing is what, with all these witnesses, where were the the mother fuckers from Your staff, who got also got to finish their work so quickly I so I didn't realize that this was. gonna be such a serious crime. Again, I thought I was gonna, be a slap on the rest like a warning, but I told them guys. I'm up the crew manager like I, you could ask any that works with me thy, but we're not asking them were asking you and I wish I were just. I was blocked man. I was just

completely. But what did they say to the idea that you were like, but I'm a mile thing was. I thought I need to get everything just done today said they now in the contract that you signed up there's a two hour? Forty five minutes time allowance, and did they ever say where you were supposed to do? If you got done in forty five minutes, no, they said you're just supposed to do your job and be there for two hours and forty five minutes. Why don't no, no way around it. You know who, whose story this matches up with perfectly. You are Larry David when he work ass, an l, a whole ripley, Yes, he was a writer it s now that he, the story that ike he came and you know what that was like. Okay, the show you know it's tuesday or whatever shows on saturday, and I hear some of the things we're working on a pitch things whatever and it's like tuesday. He comes into work, noble,

is there whenever he doesn't give a shit. Isn't like anybody socially just sits down. He writes all his scripts right and then it's like midnight and he's going home. Please agreeing that the elevator and one of the producers is like where you go and he's ike I didn't buy, worked all day. I've been here like all day long and that they would like. Oh you know about it. We do like all nighter on tuesday like this. Is it This is how we ve always done it and he's like yeah how I'm going to do and am he contends that that like basically got him like put on the outskirts with the esa, now brain trust of gore's, while looks good on you, though yeah that's a basic, so yeah, I already everything I have to say. This is going to come out of harsh, and so I hope you forgive me. I hope she forgive me, but this as to your lovely wife air coup

very fond of I was in your wedding party errand, great wonderful. Lovely per spring it you can bring it brought this on herself, yes, one hundred percent, all he had to do was keep going to the grocery store she could. Cheese innovation for the rest of her life. Hats controversy over did. I did not have to be there what she thinking she knows who I am like. Why would you This is a good idea, video but also beyond that, it's like. Not only was it not a good idea, you then went and did like an extra good job right, your job, a job you did was so good. You Both of you kicked out at all can I just say this place, sucks. Ok

I actually went to this co up like the third day I have on my wife. We went to like the part we actually met with her sister in her for another time, had a lovely time we went to dinner, we came to the partial will go up. And can I tell you whining there's a visitor now, just like all right, This place is weird. I'm gonna leave now I'm gonna leave all of you here. I'm just gonna go homes or by like her, moreover, the times as well as the less time we're seeing that guy is this places fucking nuts

yeah. Well, I mean a great story, I'm very glad you you did it here. I think if you did it and this american life or the moth, those shows are listened to. I think, by ninety seven percent of the membership of the park. Slope, food, co, op, that's right and, and you would have probably hurt their listenership- that they would have been a war would have been created amongst the listeners of those shows who had been so angry that you did this and then there would be another group that were going to like tear up their membership cards in solidarity, which might have been part of my plan. I'll be honest, honestly, no, I I can't I you're a better man than I, because I would have left there and I would have been like I'm going to spend. every waking moment my life figuring out how to shut this place like

would I like vengeance would be mine, inspectors yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you, you are done by the way. Did I ever tell you that story? No, you never told me that amazing. I can't believe. I never told you that story now. I figured with some like deep shame as you starting the story up by the eighth. Now it's more like a comedy of errors. As it was it's my one story, I feel like I've told it a bunch and I just uh yeah, it's it's quite indicative of who I am and my my wife who's like a girl scout or boy scout, yeah, I guess it's very just the worse person imaginable

it's not really under third time at the grocery store. I hope you guys are enjoying trader joe's where everyone can go without having to be a fucking janitor. What I have to be a janitor, the tigris Brandon. Last night there was a man in my house. I fought with this man, He had a mechanical arm. You find that my head, happy anniversary, but they do dared holy cow. It thirty years since the glorious glorious film. The fugitive entered our lives. and I did celebrate as celebrated as though it was like a celebration of my own ill, my hind peeping totally. How'd, you sober

for one, I read that awesome rolling stone piece that was an oral history of the fugitive, which I did I was sent around on a text chain that we were on. Did you? Did you read that oh yeah? I gobbled that up and I I really just made it a meal because I didn't want it to go too fast for me. I read it like over the course of a day, yeah the second I started it and then I stopped it because I wanted to watch the fugitive. So I fired up max and watched it and then I continued on and it is just delicious yeah. Well, I mean I've. I've known a lot about the movie. Since it came out it's one of my favorite movies ever and I I there was still So much in that peace that I never knew there was inside about the making of the movie that was amazing, tommy jones, with participating in the interview so was grey like he asked, was saying exactly what was gone to his mind with the thing it was and testing it like just what I've always hoped

the fugitive for, I mean I dunno, let's tell people we, we have a history with this movie, not just our own enjoyment of it, but I mean I, I loved the movie since it came out. I saw it, you know in theaters, oh yeah. I saw it in theaters and had it on vhs and watched it all the time, and then I think when I got to college, I met like minded people who were also like. Oh that's, one of your favorite moves, one of my favorite movies to end put it on all the time. Just why could possibly be the movie have watched the most in my life, yet first, For me, I watched it on h, b, o back in the day. I didn't go to the theaters to see it. It was on the be biao, saw their loved, it bought it on vhs. My brother worked at have at blockbuster, videos has ever buy it, and

my brother had like an early version of the dvd and like it was one of those dvds. I believe it had like a little a little folder or little plastic clip yeah and the plastic clip that was the plastic. Limited was a cardboard box. Yes thanks this cheers. This was one of the biggest blockbusters of all time and he came out in this thing. That was a cardboard box with a plastic flap which are just instantly like what is this if it gets wet it just ruined yeah but yeah. So I I burned out the dvd I used to I used to put this this movie on when I wanted to go to bed like, like it's bedtime I'm going to put something on that. I know I just pop in the fugitive and and let that music in the score drift me off to sleep yeah. It's like a nice blanket. It's perfect thing to put on at bedtime. I think yeah

in the end and out and all your friends or their interests, are: u S, marshals, crew, you ve come to know and love. Now it's the greatest. I remember I saw it in the movie theater with my parents and we left buzzing like we're like as a family. We were like tat was great. There was so, and we would like quoting dialogue to each other, and I remember seeing grandfather, who is, like you know, a jaded old new york, a union man, but he went to the movies all the time and theater and everything- and you know I remember seeing him say grandpa- did you see any movies lately and he was like oh yeah,

I saw that fugitive. You got your money's worth with that and always remember that I've done it was like yeah. That was the thing you paid your money and every minute delivered of that movie, yeah absolutely and then rolling stone oral histories. Great. First of all, it starts off with talking about all these oscar bait movies, like the piano age of innocence and the joy luck club, guess what I still haven't seen any of those movies. But you know what I have is the fugitive fifty thousand times yes yeah. I mean the other great thing in that that rolling stone piece was about how big of a disaster they thought the movie was like, while they were making it had no script. It was like the pages were being done in in real time, and then they were improving. So much of the movie which it feels like like that's one of the great joys of the movie is that it's like. Has this like lived in feeling where you're like? Oh these people all know, each other tommy Lee Jones has

great insight about the the character building at the time. that he said you know he. He was hanging out with a deputy. U s marshal and he said the one thing you notice was how much this dude loved his job. He like love did he was. It was a joy to him to be a: u s marshal and he told all the guys and the woman who playing. U S, marshals, hey! We just have to have fun like that with this guy, he has fun at his job and we got to do the same thing and you feel it immediately as soon as I heard shows up you like of these people. know what they're doing be thereafter the nc. Can I join the? U s marshals totally totally also. I love that harrison ford watches the movie under siege a movie. That is a guilty pleasure for me as a movie, and I love that he sees undersea is like oh yeah, the guy that directed this shit

it may be totally remaking the fugitive and I just can't believe those two movies are connected. That way. I can't look at harrison ford watched undersea, shall I I can tell you this. I have watched a double feature of undersea john, then the fugitive, and it this also holds sense like they are compatible movies. There are tons of people from the fugitive wherein under siege, first of all, like it that got that director clear there as I got like dork and with that guy put him in the fugitive, and so you see fugitive people all over under siege. It one million per cent timely joneses movie, despite the fact that Stephen cigar. As on the poster like these, The people making undersea like and somebody in that rulings, don't be says it like yeah. We knew he had the worst actor in the world, so

Instead, we just relied on tommy lee jones, just what interval yeah well, the the other thing that is a part of our shared history with this movie is that we went to an epically failed screening of the fugitive region. So I'll. Never let me go start. If you don't mind, so we go to what is build as the fugitive. Thirty five mill meaner screening at the alamo draft house in brooklyn so we made up for drinks at their house and wax barn. I mention it because I think it's gonna become rather than honestly later on and that we had a couple of drinks in us. So It's time to go to the movie. We we make with our drinks into the theater. The movie begins and it's humming along richards on the bus going to prison, the bus tips over and the onto the train tracks and the train's coming the other prisoners says the hell with you dog richard, pushes the injured guard to safety, richard's about to jump off the bus very iconic scene coming up

All of a sudden. We cut to wreckage someone caught out of the thirty five millimeter for it, the iconic bus jump seed and the crowd is murmuring. We personally shrieked out, like we just saw a dead body like somehow continues on thy where befuddled, where we're talking or just like what the fuck but but fine, we'll prescott tell you at the time I thought it was a accidental real skip. You know like a like out, sometimes when you're, when you switching from real to real there's a little overlap. I thought because ok is thirty: five millimeter their inexperienced here they ve too soon right and is always we just accidently skipped at the most vital parts, but you know you're right. We were like freaked out and then you're right. We just like. I will settle down

the rest of the movies coming. Let's just watch the rest of the movie is still an hour and a half to go yeah, that's right! So we get to the scene where tommy lee Jones calls for a hard target search and, as is valid to say, the famous monologue. The scene cuts to the next day the tow truck driver getting out of his truck, and we all freak the fuck out at this point the movie stops and someone from the theater or theater apologizes. Apparently the print had been altered, to which I yell out. By wearing the back of the theater right, where the the astra very last row, far corner, I'm yelling, the top of my lungs, your source of samples and the light as if I'm richard kimble at the end of the movie, the guy looks over to me confused, to which I say again, new sources of samples. As long as I get

he picks up what I'm saying and then just continues on addressing the rest of the theater and then you say: did you kill lens to as loud as you get? This person is now rattled the right as if working yoga, accusing this version of murder were somehow the only people yelling in the theater. I didn't really ever register or understand why? No one else was exactly. Why wasn't everyone yelling you make your own movie up at that point yeah, so they offer everyone: free movie, tickets, free food, a thing and and hope that the rest of the movies intact? Well, it's not very famous scene from the fugitive- is cut out barrow watching the low lights version of the fugitive. I didn't kill my wife, I don't care cut the jump from the damn gun, tommy lee jones, shooting at kimball on ST patrick's day vanished. We heckled the shit out of this movie, the entire time the ending was void of any the the entire roof sequence gone from the movie after the movie. We we and after the booing of the screen, add the the lights, come up and again the guy apologizes and says hey. We can't leave until we see the bus crash sequence right so

I pulled a digital copy included up and first of all, like a blu ray inexact in the projector or they bought it from itunes and then show daily yeah. I think they literally said we're going to pop in the blu ray yeah, so so

Well, the the screen shows up and it's much louder than the shitty. Thirty five millimeter. We were just sitting in europe, the macula it looked so good, incredibly rich and who are so. Where does David? Why do you just play this? The entire time we had to sit through this garbage and and just as a coda for this dark and all the all. This happened with the two of us and one of my brand new coworkers that I had recently met for the first time, told him that you know I had an extra ticket to this screening. He was in town from like mississippi or something like that. He was very polite and quiet, and here we are these two new yorkers yelling. He gets accusing them of switching samples and killing leads. Needless to say, we gave that guy a very good story to go home with also never saw that guy ever again in my entire life. Are you serious, as I have never seen, that man before in my life yeah? Oh, my god, that's even better! So is this guy just showed up, invite him do the the lowlights version of the fugitive and then never see or hear from him again it's like homer, going to new york city and just being behind the trash, the garbage drug on the way home you just let her go or there places fucked up now. I want to go to mississippi just to see if this story has made it through the the the wild like lore. Don't fuck are new yorkers and the fugitive and barely they get then, and then I wound up having a second failed.

Screening of the fugitive how we ass a thirty five millimeter print. It wasn't as egregious as the this situation, because it wasn't it someone vandalized the print, it was that the projector camp dying, and I dont know if that guy was they. You know you gotta, use something different for film, then you use for a digital projector right. These things an old, and then they don't. change the bulbs or whatever, and this thing just kept failing like it would you'd be watching in then all jordan numa remain and the light would go out and then the cedar lightwood come up. Did it like three times and this a gift from my son for christmas, he said dad. I want to take him to your favorite movie, He told the fugitive we sat there and we had that happened three times and then I turned to him, and I said it's: ok, we

go home and watch it. It's on h, b, o all that is still pretty furious. So sad. What a sad story! That is your son's christmas gift to you that you love to do the most go to the movies watch this movie and it was ruined by a thirty five millimeter projector yeah, but we does bring us to doctor Nichols who we should talk about for a second first of all, the fact that this this dutch guy who's a great actor. I love this guy and in the year there's, of course he would have gotten selected, because if you look at like his, I m d b, he just always popping up in the in the late eighties early nineties, and so they had an actor who then guy had a fatal brain tumor, and you know he had to leave the set after a dirty shot, a bunch of scenes, but they they go, and I get this guy euro and crabby, I think, is how says his name, although not entirely sure

just come doktor nicholls in here I see a thick. We also might well used to calm in before he was known, doktor nicholls when he would pop up in things. I would call him the model cause. You remind me of rick the motto martell look it's the model, but by but yeah. It's a doctor Nichols is: is this guy jumped into the role he's great? He plays the part great he's slimy enough and but you know you and insincere enough, but the thing they can never get over about doktor nicholls issue is this: guy is a sick, buck. He is a sick or fuck, then Hannibal lecter. It then and even face and you know why? Because if you go watch that scene when timely jones enjoy pants, come to interrogate him doctrine, goals is sitting there and on the day, behind him is a picture of him and doktor richard.

campbell taken the night when doc you're, nicholls array. to have richard kindled wife killed and richard kimball frame for murder, so He knows he did that Has it been attending them doing and meanwhile, every day he goes into his office, and he looks at that picture and he's like yeah fuckin dead right there on our underwear. That was the orbit that crushers skull not available, like just unbelievable. I think basically, two he was probably planning to have richard killed right like that. Like that's the thing he didn't know that richard was going to get a phone call and go back to the to the place, so so they thought we were going to kill richard just like he was going to kill lens instead, the wife is brutally murdered. And richard is going to be put to death. That's like

well an end and his entire legacy? Is that he's a wife killer now right, not a vascular surgeon, the actual thing, the doctor Nichols plan to do to kill these two doctors. Now it's way worse like it was a horrible thing that happened and he's like you know what I'd like I'd like to be reminded that I did that shit every single day when I go to my office, I sit in my swivel desk and I was going to look at that picture. I ruined a guy's life and just murdered a woven. I read that he's going to be put to death. Yeah he's guy he's on death row that guy is a psychopath you're totally right. He has a picture, a framed picture of that date or chili honestly, really chilling stuff, okay, so onto the best thing we saw in wrestling this week and now you should know something about me and chris doing this show weed

I don't talk about this ahead of time like we want to kind of surprise each other with what our best thing in wrestling is, and we really don't like talk about like what we're going to do on the show other than topic wise, hey, we'll talk about the fugitive a little bit we'll talk about the montreal screw job. Okay got it like! I don't want to. We don't want to burn our ideas talking to each other and- this week, we both said or will we ve got to talk about this? One thing and I said well yeah, I'm gonna talk about it, but here thing. It's my best thing in wrestling this week and sure prouder of Chris you here is bonds. Is that as you brother and then added as your best thing. Addressing this. We too, which is emerging, for us to note, because it's not, actually something that was produced by any wrestling company now, but best thing in wrestling that I saw this past week, the alabama waterfront bra and if you don't know what I'm talking about just Google, those three words

It also means you have now been on social media for a week, and god bless you. The the reality is this was base. Equally wrestling at its core at its mouth, fundamental the alabama waterfront brawl was professional wrestling and I'm interested for you Chris, why it to you was your best thing in wrestling. You saw this week oh, my gosh. Well, first of all, the version that I saw initially of the brawl had a shit ton of wrestling commentary and music. There was. There was someone doing commentary. I I want to say his name. I I don't it's like a mic or mic tyson. So

besides watches gama dairy and there were nation domination, references, survivor and royal rumble, rev call out, alter warrior and stone goals, divorce, the music, the person doing commentary you are just a fantastic. I need you to do commentary and more staff on following them. On twitter. Now I love him bees just fantastic, but what what it is is just bunch of white people on a dog in alabama, their jumping, a black person and then a heroic black people who jumped and swam to save this person eddie it's quite literally as good as the fugitive train scene, and it is most definitely the best thing I saw this week. Well, here's the thing all that everything is as true, and I also did windup seeing that same thing, guy im corey, who did the commentary over this and it hilarious and

definitely made a lot of illusions dressing, but I think it's more than those surface level connections with rest shore I think it explains rest telling inheres? Why? Because the reality of what happened in this. I here me. Let me started by saying this, This thing I saw about this waterfront brow was somebody, clipped out a video, and it was like the part where everyone is brawling right in front of the big boat, the river boat and it just looks terrible like a terrible brawl and, every now, and then you see this kind of stuff on social media. Where people are like luxuriating in terrible violence- and I fucking hate it landlord of the worst of humanity getting summed up and like right now and then it gets put on fox news and it's a guy. I had no patience for this scrolling pass right. What does look like a terrible brought to me and I want no part of it there.

I saw somebody put up a video that was just the first five minutes before any punch was thrown, and you see everything that happens with these boats and what anthem was this. Riverboat was trying to dock it could not for like multiple minutes. It was trying to darth exactly and views crew member on the river boat takes a small vessel to the dock and is trying? Apparently they had told these white people that were in these pontoons? they had to move the boats and the white people just ignoring the nether drunk therein, they look, all sunburnt they ve been out for the day on the water like these. Are these people are not going to be agreeable, forget about the racial dynamics in alabama. They would I could be agreed agreeable, probably to anyone. But then black crew member goes over there, and trying to move the boat himself and then

Apparently, what starts the rock as an you watching this guy and he's like defending himself but he's clearly just pointing to the boats telling them to move them? Never once you watch this guy posture in any way that he's threatening to these people like he is one million per cent in the room. Just trying to do is just try and do its job. That's right. You know Joe trying to do his job. So if you're watching this, I don't care what color you are unless you are a stone cold racist you're like well, this guy's right and these people are already wrong right before a single punches drone, then some fuckin dude, runs from the pond tune and so your punches, this guy its crew member and then Multiple other dude, who were with

that guy come and jumped a crew guy as well to the former. You can count heads it six on one, whether they're, all six drawn punches at the guy or not six on one At that point, you start to see a black you'd come down. The ramp used to see the guy jump in the water and swim after him, and somehow Yet even up at least six black dude suddenly had pierre. And I thought to myself. This is what more games is premise of war games is that the baby faces are at a disadvantage until the time interval ends and then, when they have the the evened odds the baby faces can win, and that is wrestling in

because the whole idea is like people had been watching fights since the moment you can clench offence and rights. In some moment, evolution occurred where you can make a fist and punch a person. Everyone wanted to watch that right that's a human impulse is not going to go away and one of the things that happened was like combat sports were invented because people like to watch that goes back to primitive cultures. They were doing that and then modern culture we had sports around combat boxing and martial arts all of that kind of stuff somewhere along the line. Somebody figured out. If we manipulate the combat weaken, make it so people are watching, paying us money because their emotions get invested in this. It's not just a random saying where guy fights another guy to have an emotional reason behind it. Will you,

watch, this video of these white guys in alabama jump a black guy who's just doing his job. You know who's a good guy and who the bad guys art or right away. and you also know that, with this guy being outnumbered, what he's in trouble, but as soon as the odds are even though bad guys. Fleet yazzi run away, and you know what happens when they run away. They I still get their ass is bs, and that is what would happen if Bobby the brain heenan started running up the aisle because all of his cheating backfired, then some guy would grab him and throw him back in and hulk hogan would kick his ass. That's right! That is core of resting to wrestling is when it's in fair fight, the bad guys win, because their bad wherein the fight is, even though good guys win because the good and

I have never seen something so clearly represented in the wild. As this, where you're like, while I am pissed right now, because I'm watching bad guys be bad out, numbering there's a food and winning and wait a minute o hang on the fight is now even came on good guys with so, clear that this was wrestling the was sassparilla sue city sassparilla! Oh well, that's just water, gravity of the the outline looked at made to look like a beer bottle. So I was like oh, must be assessed for real. It's a big beer bottle

wait a minute. Why? Why why? What looks like a beer bottled? Must it be sassparilla aids? What thirty violators? If I say that the forests ass? I would think also sets marriages of a delightful take this and I think this and to drink. It tackles the tug. I always loved sas bro. When I a kid that's where ella gets so much play right now, it's a fun! I I was partial to cream soda myself Oh me, do yes by the brill was rare, like you didn't get very yeah yeah you gonna like a restaurant. or when I grew up. You go into a general store, says: well, that's where they had each day for a store in general about you have especially now really just just generals. the general store.

you weren't very inventive or lie just civic bag. Ass, like I just generally a good Dore lyn! Oh! No! No! There's no value judgement either the general store, could be good or bad. Doesn't matter generally has? Would you need that admin what's funny is there were, must have been other stores around the general store that were not general, and so the general store was like whoa go to that one they're more likely to have it. Yeah awesome like I see an opening, there's no general store is a specialty store. I was so many of its work for your horse and choose there's one for a guy who makes tombstones by general. Also like the idea that the united justice door for generals

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