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and very satisfying and a widow disturbing when their good- and this was good one of our talk about it. How would that be? I will talk about it, momentum, early bullets. Let's do this. Business of the show today I talked to her kate, Simon now, kate Simon is like. I met her on instagram but she's like a real deal for tar, four and she's shot he's been in new york along time back in the day, shit man and she was in england at the beginning, her career. She she shot. People like eighty pot, patty, psmith, Andy, warhol, madonna, a lotta, william boroughs, robert maple thorpe, Ed roget, richard hell- the clash she did- cover the first clash record, even know that before I talk to her Her work is in the permanent collections of the museum of modern art. The national

your gallery, the met and the rock and roll hall of fame in two thousand and for sheep wished, a limited edition of her bob marley photographs. Now the book is we're getting a wide release in bookstores. It's called rebel music, bob marley and roots reggae kind of an amazing book like a beautiful. It's weird that sometime I forget about bob marley and there's no reason to ever forget about bob marley, but there was such a huge like I can't remember what year would be I'd. Maybe I was in high school or just after that, when reggae took over the world bob, marley was sorted everywhere, almost godlike and those those four records or so the first for our group, I listened to the hell out of him at some point but then reggae became a lifestyle and then a kind of melted into hippy lifestyle and then a kind of infused

self into everything, and I gave it seems to have gotten away from me the reggae by looking at this book. It's pretty pretty stunning any after a scratch. Perry died. We your ears, all back on the rate. Aren't I imagine some people live the reggae life, but I have not so seeing those colors, you know the green and the orange and the yellow and and seeing all these pictures of bob, you kind of realise what an original artist he was and what that type of music represented at the time it came around. It was sort of the beginning, world music in a lot of ways for a lot of people- and I just kind of reengage with it was pretty exciting, but also to talk. At the other photographs, I once act out I'll talk about that more in a minute Brian Jones. You know I potter- he still got some cab mugs foresail. These are nice ones, man, He thought you missed your chance. You can still get em no they're pricey, but their special

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dream scenario? Look I'm! I e nick cage is nick age and we ve all. We all have a relationship with nicholas cage. Some of us have it going all the way back. I remember him and rumble fish and then moving through a lot of different nick kay, age can ever phases, but Ultimately, he is singular. And these last few movies he's done being the unbearable. What is it the unbearable weight of massive talent is out what it was called. We place himself against himself and pig which I was excited and amazed by and now this one and they're all very different roles, but they're all very specifically, Nicholas cage, but this one is a very kind of tight smart cutting satire about internet co. Sure about cancel culture about that

nature of viral. images and the culture we live in a round. We action, it's it's. I think its tremendous and and the thing I really like about it without spoiling It- is that it this edge throughout the whole movie. If you once you by the conceit, you can read. I am, I don't think I'm spoiling anything by telling you is that, this guy, this kind of swampy cows. vast or at a small college, starts sort of four no reason that anyone can understand, showing up and thousands and thousands of people's dreams and not doing much and it's kind of moves from there, but once you kind of by the can see which why not do it it on in a very kind of smart way in its provocative and as somebody a public person I left feeling kind of uncomfortable, which is certainly what you want from a satire, any kind of sing too. We dealt with there

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But into the funny in a way that is not yet a laugh funny, but it's sort of like something. In your mind, an art realises right. Oh this is you. This reviewing something much deeper through this through this artifice through this conceit that legs man and its end, its comedy, but you know it kinda, cut a little clothes I was pretty throbbed with it to be ass with you folks. Did you forget add stamps dot com to your holiday wish was to ash dear. Don't worry, we all make mistakes, so I'm here to help go to stamp dot com and enter wtf after you, click on the microphone and after that, you'll start a free trial that will save you time and money just in time for the big holiday, Push the holidays are hard enough.

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Seminal is at the word, portraits of william boroughs that she captured a time in music and art. Thou is just amazing and I am very sensitive to photography. I wanted to be a photographer. I studied photography, one of the most impact full times I had in my life taking a year long serving class in the history of four. Coffee, and it was in the thumb studies. I did ass a kind of film studies, art, history minor, but this this sesar, Carl Corazza, who is out a photographer. His own right started the history of photography, the first semester. He started a cave painting and when, up to the introduction of photography, and that was second semester by learning. You know the difference between how photography its establish itself your doc? entering verses art photography, how it kind of confronted the idea.

What do you do with an hour form when everybody can do it fairly easily and it blew my mind In so many ways it was, it was kind of aid full wiring of how I took in art and culture and everything and I wanted to be a photographer and I didn't high school. I thought it was a genius and for some reason, my high school at the time. nineteen, eighty, maybe seventy nine at high when high school and albert can new mexico because we had a real photographer in the head of the department, they built a new art department and had this had this fucking state of the art dark room. It was crazy. Really unnecessary and too good, and I spend hours and hours there? I just remember at the time nineteen eighty I have one these photographs and I did and of course, because I was out of the university yet

I worked in a restaurant across from the university and I was really doug into the art scene. I thought I was like cutting edge and I did this a photograph work am I had my mother hold the aperture open. Why set up a ladder in the field in front of our house in our kingdom expo which had just been kind of tilled so a colombian weird. I said a ladder there and I attached. A work lied to my belt that was plugged into an extension cord and an end to the extension court. I plugged in tv, and they big then, but it was I got a smaller one- may be a twelve inch and it was at night and I turn the tv on and the work light was on and I had my mother hold the aperture open with the tv on in the light and I walked around the ladder and then I walked up the ladder and put the tv at the top of the ladder. So it all had this glow and you could see several images of me some kind of folding into the other. There were kind of like waves, which trippy and

and it was a wonder: big award were on an iota of a one, some sort of high school arterward, it was in some sort of high school, are journal and it was a year. Oh yeah, there were man against, see, in the eighties. Had to have the management and they weren't even full mannequin. They were torso managing that my mother had bought for thing she was doing ass. She was also an artist and yet and I guess I should have given her credit for holding the aperture open and I guess for buying. Torso mannequin, but do thou punk, Fuck man cutting edge, and I think that, Arguably the end of my maya, my for tat he career, because it was just too much too many chemicals to me. apertures too much you think about. And you can always fuck up the negatives in that bag in them let them in that little vat and the mixing. because you know if they were stuck to each other, I just I couldn't I couldn't cut it. So I got out, but not with

out sharing my genius with the p they came to that your end art show at high when high school and the people that red creative, in a magazine or their though fancying they they saw what I did they site. So, ok, kate, Simon, is here the book and she's got a photograph. She brought me a couple of her cattle. From her gallery shows which are hard to find in their numbered and sign very exciting, but the book that here to talk about which we do talk about his rebel music, bob marley and roots reggae is oh marley book dot com or wherever you get books. As a beautiful book. what a history- and there are a lot of photographs of morally and everybody who is involved at that time. I am ready music and here, is me talking to kate, Simon

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richard louis love, sure I just I am you know he's doing. Our rights got parkinson's. We tell rich louis please via that kate, Simon, Sends her love yeah. I love our l B. Morale he's great yes, but he went on motor him. I we took for the whole burma. I photographed him and about thousand and aid per year and then said the other I shot jerry stiller an end MIRA, that's good! I love jerry stiller hilarious. She was allowed. This is kind of a close. Is that as that way, I want it yeah it's kind like the little or no little inclined to go in here. Don't don't think stiller. Oh, how? When do you do her about two thousand and eight of shoes old? I loved the shoe like one of my favorite shoots of my lasher. Oh really, why can't you? Just now now Phyllis dealer, oh, contrary areas, profoundly intelligent, I'm sure am profoundly poised really committed to her- are

her assistant. This is the one thing that was unique here with her assistant came up to me and said to me when I arrived in britain. Whatever mantua goes, you will not touch or kiss met miss del diller of tat. They would have her fifty years. Never I'm not gonna touch her kiss that broad, like there was a riot me and Phyllis diller just got on great sure. Ok and ok, so our l and jonathan winters are called up and his son said to me. Well, just depends on or not, and whether or not my father wants to take a dirt nap or not, wear a die, and I just thought: okay, later for that I can now. Did you go now was it was so sort of off putting you know, annie. I know a guy who the guiding the guy that shot. That picture I showed you ve roddy did is sitting with with an older jonathan went and I was up there. I went up there when he was all then it was more like you wasn't so much. I dared not thing, but it was depending on I was mood- is all right-

that you're gonna? What he implied and then jerry Louis I talk to him difficulty. I was for you well jerry. Jerry louis, I photographed still on the set of king, a comedy awhile, so he looked fantastic task. The UN's barriers cadiz, wherein these like reality, is that act like italian foods. You now captain euro and mary score say see in brought in by the production, how thou I mean I'm good friends with de near cousin, my best friend, or really an axe. Bob Deniro mother was fantastic shoes, painter name, virginia admiral is that was upon or to russia. Was tight with I'm still tight with his cause. Nobody really tight with Bobby's mother yorker. So I had this those are all my comics there. I photographed right. I just wanted to like say something to you that I thought kind of significant about my life as a music fatigue,

I prefer where I was shooting muse area, but whites That's ok, see wanna around me yeah! Thank you for the if the cdc yeah picture pleasure- and I was wondering pictures, he eyes side, sayer, now. If you took that in england, lived in london from nineteen. Seventy three until nineteen, seventy eight or that's like piquet, cdc it was their first photo, should really yeah really they look as so young and get their dear great banned it You talk about them on your part, guess which I listened religiously and I Formerly, thank you. No fake, forget me through the pandemic. Oh yeah, your work, I may now I'm really. I was really grateful. that you were me now getting at dawn and shown up for every monday and thursday yeah did you did you get over it. Absolutely not oh good, for you, yeah

Does your new york you doing get it now, girl now scary times I mean yeah, but you know I know if you're gonna go through something that next, that next love as they say, as that cnn I was kind of something else. You and I know it for you. One really understands like new yorkers goes we're going down. It was and ass the early speaking oak. Did you around shoot. I did and also I would being a jew, be up to see my doctor yeah and everyone here, these madison fifty nine syria and from his office I'd see the plaza and such pork south india. It was all very it was so empty and look like some escape from new york movie. I bet yeah so good talk to you did. You hear me talk to Ethan Russell? No, but I love you

photographs. I talk to even russell love and I talk to your pressed it in your. I love him yeah, yeah and near the next one year on year, the year, the other part of the huge rock for tat I prefer history why oh yeah yeah etons, while because you watch, if you watch the the computer jackson's, whether it be a while, you know the beatles say yes he's around While you are around it's funny, you bring that up because I snake and before I came here and Eric taylor cause. I adore him and I worked with him when he was working at warner brothers after working with the beetle here, and I was think myself, you know mentioned to mark the. when I was shooting rock photographs, which was pretty much dictated the fact that I was in london, and that was the only work that I could get an in the seventies area, it was great time and are just begin my career I was really. I was really

keen to know about the people who were in the background. Like IRAN, arden know Who is the producer right? No done, Pardon the manager. He was. The manager along like I've. Orient yeah is daughters. Is the are in iron or near a great for photographed for him, and I was just I try. Oh yeah, you did the books, you only great whose all young and pretty yeah yeah yeah. It's rightly askew like he is we now see ya. Ya know that those shoots without you were a few in the area When I was shootin rock pictures, I was really interested in the people behind the senior like jerry, wechsler out a friend of mine, because as friends with his son, I plan to write in respect. I played works or that's right, and when I was a jerry's apartment and I saw the gold record for I never loved a man the way I loved you pray my favorite record in every of all time. I got faint and had really really nice? How was workforce a guy? I did it

I did his son Paul's wedding pictures. I love jerry well yeah yeah, Our guy right, I mean forget about it. Smart yeah, I can't believe you play him right in the respect move. Yes, I know I read the biography, like I don't know a biography and that David ritz interview did was masterful. Thank you really well done. Yeah I just like jerry and heater gran who manage the landlady. I was really unique and then chris black good friend and great new mentor of my. U s he did was he. He was with the morally stuff right. Here's a producer was he like well of crystal well what yeah. He was. Definitely all about bob, and here you know Jamaica and he runs golden I down there, and so he was was erected executive or a producer duty produce. I think Chris Paul boost, and he was he ran and founded island records, and then from Albert Grossman, who was a friend of mine was a year

he's guy. I loved him, especially from what those are strong personalities. Yes grant Grossman. Harry you gotta, know Blackwell, but I can only assume that definitely I mean really that really a really interesting fellow yeah. So we you're brought into do shoot season. Your point guys usually right. Aren't they people, you mean first, I think, you know when I was young and I was shooting all this rock stuff. I did have to me all these these gentlemen. They were really always ensure, to me. I just remember that derek was Derek taylor. Rio was really so lovely cause. I came out too here- and he was working at warner brothers- need to said he does it kate. What were you do uncover the expenses and he was really like. I was like there was a kid yeah so generous, so nice. So where did you grow up? Poughkeepsie keeps you new york. I would like to our twenty said, edward

billy name and Lee Miller, the photographer area from pixie and kate, Simon of will very good. The errand geared company behind you feel I forgive you gets a bag rap. I think it does with that picture. in poughkeepsie of because in french can actually about, but the now on the gipsies act, lay the home of vast or college and really beautiful, hudson river years, my home. So what we Do you start to feel like photography? He's got the pull for you, I'm you like. For me, I studied the history photography view like I it's like. It was an amazing course, because the teacher who was a photographer named Karl key renzo, I think, is a art photographer, but he started at cave paintings for the first master and went up to the introduction of photography and the seconds. asked. Her was photography forward, so we established the whole idea how we see your way.

Mediated? What is in what is a lens emma was kind of fast and allow, but I was kind of intrigue within. I did it briefly right. I can never get a handle on chemicals, it was the chemistry of it was overwhelming and added. You needed. Somebody like I added. I lived with this photographer Joe Stephen severe. I lived in london and he didn't You really helped me a ton, and I remember you needed somebody like to say you can do that mark because I was with flash guy. I was like no. No. I don't think I can do that and he said. Yes, you can that's just sexist bullshit, wow, and- and so he really he and he really helped me that way. I mean you start your now. It's it's a totally different game, but you've got to you've got no one hundred rolls of film with you yeah right. Are we shooting, like parsecs Well, you know I still not to get boring, I can go die can become a complete. about film, I won't I got

Ok, I love film here, love to shoot film. I still shoot film. I love to touch film bemoaning the fact that did matter is all digitally achieve now on the plane I bought. All these magazine is my typical b various and all the reproduction is so bad that really are digitally reprinting, what he or she, what what is it? What is the tell the images, the towers, the images look flat and color saturation looks bad. and you know it's not! It's not reprinted from colors like the olden days, yeah everything's digital adam. Saying that I as a photographer and I plan to you, know you know not Our creator and anthology are all my work and continue working of some shewed set up. When I go back to new york, I just shoot Film and I like to shoot transparency film still, I you know shewed black and white

Portra, but your black and white film. Is it plus x? Usually now it's triassic strikes us really yeah go grain to it. Yeah I liked you're saying the plus x with the tight grain, one to five, eight as a feeling that will you try experts and I'm a tracks free yeah yeah. I guess it's more versatile. I can give a lecture on tracks, because a available light now, because all my pictures of bob marley here that we're talking about it. You know it's at some point or shot and you know, nineteen. Seventy seven to nineteen eighty year on try acts predominantly and there's it's there still as good as they were in the seventies. It really stable, fell, mocha and- and I just want to say that there is one for tracks

okay and a lot of color shots of bob too yeah yeah yeah the books beautiful. Oh, thank you. I mean it's really something because it's not he he. You know I mean I. I know this is what we're going to talk about, but we're outside of the all of it, but this rebel music, bob marley and roots reggae photographs by kate, Simon. It's not just a photo book. I mean it's an oral history of reggae at that time and the it's kind of structured boot cause. I don't know about it. So for me to go through it, just realize. I know nothing. Because I know the music. We all know the music by you. for the whole experience of the arc. Of that thing it was. It was in credit what seems like it was really for whatever reason, obviously, because he was amazing- was this. It was right a pivotal point in your life- is as somebody who is engaging with art and general right. Right definitely because, like ie like I don't know when it all started, but it just given all the photographs you took leading up to.

meeting him or experiencing him in the way. For the first time it was almost like everything else just became like secondary for a little while yeah. But let's get up I point so you're in poughkeepsie, yeah, yeah, a camera. Your high school camera person, my father, died, my father was a doctor, you look, I'm doctor, daddy was a urologist, oh of specialists, near your father. wasn't your work, I do it yeah right. I knew urology. So that's good. You when you desert doctor, you know of the eight hour. Let's turn when you got a problem, as I would just take your that's right, you're thinking of mauritius plan tennis within this have exactly so anyway. My father died when I was seventeen- and I was really close to him. I three brothers, and then I was there. Washing university and then went to the american college in paris and

in that year. I met Jim Morrison and got him. Tell me right. My term paper day's journey days journey in tonight. What how well our was here help he was excellent real, like Jim morrison? He was excellent. I totally like, and so my, how do you help you didn't know that now I really like this is so characteristic of my behavior. You now A meeting this like major rock star and I'm just thinking, cowhide kate, you to get long days journey and tonight and tomorrow in ok. Listen did that great great to meet you, I'm sorry about that. Hold new. You know like what they are getting him for some sort of you know, obscenity obscenity he was are you concerned about that? Was it when he moved there at the end of his career or yeah. He was there with his girlfriend he's chubby and bearded. He was not chubby. Okay, I'm here to wreck to test beards,

no you didn't have a beer I ruined and he wasn't shabby, but this is where the last stop I'm two months before he died, yeah how'd! You meet him, standin in line at the first national city, bank, shawls, laissez and jim up to me and asked me if I teach him french and I looked at him. I thought Well, he could help me with my long day's journey into night paper. No, I thought. Oh that's Jim Morrison and I said oh and I had two guys with me for college. You know, and I said uh, oh yeah, I could teach you french and then I got into the you know. Desperate. Will you help me write the term paper and he knew the play he did. He did. He knew the play and I was like thank you, Jesus yeah, and and did he help? Yes, he certainly did. Did you give them credit, but so that was just a chance meeting you weren't even a than ever. I liked him. You know obviously, obviously charming guy none. I there's somethin something about him. That was, he was he

he was. He was charismatic, of course, but We really intelligentsia. He told me he wanted to. You, know just stop being due in music and go back to film making her and he was obviously a little bit terrified by all the court stuff. it was gone on well, yeah yeah, they kind of beat him down with a bit yeah yeah, so as before, issuing pictures, yeah and but that never again relative to my gun into the muse photography because I didn't take one picture of Jim and I've only miss to people that I wanted to shoot ones Albert grow. Men could Albert always used to say to me kate. Let me live fifteen pounds right everyone and I loved him, and I have no photographs of him because you not a house. close with him to where was it where? Where did you meet him and in your life or who is where it was in the mid seventies? Yet I have I have this good friend annika poly, whose husband was one of the her ex husband started traffic. The group

The idea has been appalled, your mirror and she's a good friend of mine and she- and she introduced me to albert it's used and she she interested bob marley and led zeppelin like go. Will Grossman was Dylan's guy right in joplin idea in yeah. Brilliant yeah. I mean so fuckin brilliant idea. These guys, like you stories, are just that they were your tough, He was so generous with may eyes, and you know just like you now you just you can since people you know I mean I just we I'd I'd, state is house time and He was annoyed. Stockier yeah in he was such intellectually so sophisticate I think I think, gum neil game and has that house indeed that's true subsequently. I really tight with his

widow valley, Grossman? She passed away a couple years ago. Why me? I know that day. You know they were big personalities with those guys, you're, redefined, music, the right you have, they had to be there to. You got the artist, but you get my other guys behind the scenes doing, but that was the second part of my point that I was thinking of where I got here. Is that there is that all of these, like all these managers, they let you know in the the extent to which these mentors help the creator. It's really significant. Totally I mean Arden was like you know, right my buddies and music management. He spent time, art and talking about managing a mean they they are in the middle, makers in a way the eight year they ve got a guide, these guys and talent young barely managed challenge as people. I know Well, you know, I know it's ok, so you're in france. When do you pick up a camera? Well my father passed away, and I drifted

nikon empty and in all. And you know, because I too, I asked my mother. If I could drop out a george wash in university- and she said yes, which shocked me- and I just like you know- played my advantage- went to Kennedy He flew to london, which had become familiar with what it was after the paris thing, yak there my second year in college in paris, when I'm ok, so you weren't, backed yelling without drive down. You don't be avert met this guy, professor, who taught me retarded four per year at the cochrane skull of art, which was part of george, was in a very sector mark power. His name, How do you change your mind? Just taught me. The rudiments of photography is all that stuff mark that you're san was like put new off like we stop bath and the deck tall, and all that you know these. Seventy six, just like the dilute

In fact I am like you are like. I can't handle this stuff, how those can do in the neo liberal that rowan and airline dark. I love that open their own kits. Machine is good at that. I'm not good at anything, either no iron swim drive and take pictures and that's kind of it. Ok, so he gives you remarries and then you go to london with your as camera yeah I stole I, I took the I I as assimilated, have it yeah yeah and then I went to london and then I became this rock photographer and then I photograph pretty much anybody yeah. But what does that? What does that mean? So you're you go to wondering what you get you just get it? How? How do you become the person with the camera, the rock thing I mean, how do you get into the world? Well,. I got there and all these friends of mine, fringy w, were working at the shop in high burn in london in here and then I found this job and I worked there for a bed, and then I found this job at the photographers gallery, wherein Joseph Cordell

the bailey leonard free david Hearn, so well beaten, and I really in always just you know, saturated with all these art box and photo, but and I then and then I saw this advert for a job at diskin and music echo and I went along there with one photograph taken of elton John I dont show, and they gave me a full time job before he was big. yeah and then I met this art director, who became very significant to my life, cause. I met david fodder and he said oh based this picture. You desolation get the gig a really had. Then I worked with him at the sound subsequently, this other sort of weekly throng. five, music weeklies in the seventies in london, and then I just shot

in our queen and leonard skinner that everyone, you could think. I think that's a big girl jump queen delivered skinner. That is why are yeah, but ok, so you yet this picture of old john, which you took on your own and yeah, and what you just gone to the show europe, they with my boyfriend near and so what years is. Seventy I'd say: prayers like seventy four ok yeah, so this is like early elton hasn't, broke, yeah, yeah and what's going on in some for in britain is the beginning of punk ish yeah. I think punk was selling cars, Psmith came over to london and I worked with her and seventy five. That way, horses came out right. Ok, so, as we are with this writer friend of mine, John income, and we had did meet patty over in paris is the best issues the best. So I shot her and I would say that whole punk thing in london, which I was definitely a part of because my the guy

live. Do this best friends, Malcolm Mclaren, he was always at our how really used in their their shop on kings round. We, everyone was always hanging out there really yeah and so. so yeah the punk thing was sitting in a wood. It started with me because I was friends with the clash and how did you meet those guys? Well I was just really good friends with paul seminar in Jos, stronger and mc jones and I loved their manager, bernie roads and he said kate. Will you take some folks rats, and ultimately, one of whom was used for the cover of the first class yeah! No one! There were there any our your eye, right, yeah, yeah, yeah I'll, so you're shooting for these magazine. So that gets you ac deasey yea I get to forty mercury, yea and and scattered yes, nothing I tabled some entered on the road was everywhere, I'm fuckin, big skinner. I got news for everybody: the hours a trap, not a bad record

the traveller all of those guys new had a party or yeah. I was not wrong. You now and again. You know like queen. I was with my friend the writer joining them and we are with queen on the road and their manager came in and said you want to see the video it's ready to see so many and John would with queen the first time they saw bohemian rhapsody. Oh really yeah. They said you know they said it. Oh yeah looks pretty good, oh no care, so the original video yeah. These are the things that you now myth is made of right when you so in terms of evolving as a photographer and and is there a way to explain what you do and why you're so good at capturing these people well you have to remember we're talkin about the very beginning, and I've been doing it for fifty years. You know so I get it, but you know there's a sensibility like you're saying what it what you have to cultivate to call forward a portrait. on a kind of like you, really

You know you can kind of consistently taken here portrait here. Well it's definitely an applied skill. Sure you learn as you go along yeah browser but easier do Do you find that you disappear in the exchange? if you like some photographers talk about your kind of in applying the war or not being noticed her. Now I dont his spear there's only I found that you know like any here to human in our relationship- you just it's all- you have to be an eu culture, this sort of sensitivity and some kind of telepathy, I reckon so that you have a steel. If you are portrait photographer, you gotta know how your subject feels and what your subject is telling you do guide them at all. You know I do

I really really down. I do one thing which I have learned over the course of doing this. For a long time. I tell the subject that they can tell me. whenever they feel burn out, so they know there's an exit right otherwise, and they feel that- and you see them have this like relief, you now, otherwise I reckon they feel like they're like in on insight. down a pen right this way. They know all man. I can just tell her whenever I gotta split and they once you tell them that I mean up. Myself in their shoes. They they seem to really just chill out and it seems to help but there's a d, prince between shooting, obviously, why photographs backstage photographs and studio photographs right right, because I imagine will lie. They barely notice. You cause a part of a naughty and write it in a way but backstage then you gonna, gotta, pull back a little bit right and let them be what they're gonna be

Well you know when I was a kid. I did all that backstage stuff and live stuff, but now I just shoot these people in their house sure so like where you're gonna go, in a clash concerts yeah. I mean why. Was devised a medium pick up on all that energy ray. I mean it was new shit yeah. They, seismic leave brilliant live. I mean I gotta say that light. The lighting was so terrible on those clash shows it was so difficult cause. I was shooting available, lied, rigour tracks, I tri, but still with them. I wanted collar errors like even a fifteenth of a second push The film yeah dislike they were, they were said. The lighting was really quite quite sure. jane you, but so you're there like motor head, was happening around me. Everybody knew let me yeah yeah, because it was like this. You know it was like I d in the underground pray. Let me in Mcferrin and- and I was good friends, lester bangs and he came over lester would come over from

eleven lived in detroit at the tired, I actually royal oak michigan and he would stay with me and job really. Then he added, I remember, in time we will stand with us, and this is pretty funny here. He I said, ok denied, so we went into his room and he put on white light white heat on repeat here and now click on vat of white Russell. Why, and I could hear him like you know, like moaning, I mean just like he was like you in an I worked with lester a lot and we must do so wester was you know he was sort of the defining rock creek you of that time what was at the earth or the late sixties, early seventies. Now that I'd say you're under was about in our midst we're talkin like seventy five. Seventy six with me. He he introduced me to william S. Boroughs began took me. mate, william in new york, and to be his photographer. The first time I started shooting William and then I shall william from nineteen seventy five to ninety ninety five, oh my god,

yeah because when I was looking at the pictures and in some of your catalogues, those are the pictures of him. Oh thank you I, like you, when you see it vision. I know that picture. Oh man thanks, but I wouldn't have known it was buggy, but so bangs is that cream magazine his right hand, and so person because he's always you know he always characterized this as a very specific and I dunno if it's volatile, but he definitely had opinions and he definitely championed a type of music that was not. It was marginal music at the time really right, finally the yeah and why cues like a huge velvet underground guy, I mean no fake areas, are try to tell you stand at my ass, my lawyer, that also what you're, what you're intimating is that he was highly intelligent and he was a brilliant, brilliant rider and he d, you know, define the medium and also when he was interviewing william s brows when he introduced me to william

for the first time at williams, flat on franklin street in new york. He I mean he just blue williams mind because he knew williams work in like new it by heart and then in all parties. as he came in and well at the end of the of the interview- and I took her picture with william, but lester was a real genius with that the time where were you know william was sort of holding court there in the bunker right and it wasn't the banker. This is money had aloft on frank for the plans that have quickly he was living in the hunger- and I photographed him like they're at the bunker out on the those great pictures of him with a handgun to yeah that was at the bar. her, those wherein I'd say. Probably nineteen. Eighty four ok. So, yes, oh you, you kind of what. When do you play out london when you done with london? Well, it's funny all my friends. They married people to stay in the uk, and I

Now now, and even this friend of mine from the divers gallery said you can marry my brother and I just I know I don't want to like marry somebody to stay in and I'm just going to go back to. I want to be a man Oregon yeah. I went back so then I moved to new york and I'd never lived in new york before as I'm from upstate new york poughkeepsie, and I moved into the flat that I still live in near carnegie hall and then I progressed. As of tug refer. I met this my best friend I have felt who a painter- and he took me through the art world and I started shooting out very focused on painters and allow these day Louise bourgeois yeah, arizona, yeah, Louise bourgeois, and then you know I mean I shot a lotta, John giorno and william s burrows in for these four magazines,

or like I'm, an Louise bridge bourgeois was for the wash impose choose interesting. Yes, he was genius. I photographed her in the night when she was in her nineties area haven't easier. So get to new york in your- you- just hit the ground mining it so, but but did at a time, as was that the late seventies issue, oh yeah, so so punk is happening as you ve got those pictures richard howl and he looks pretty young yeah Then the reeds hanging around three there's a mixture of you know what, defined the kind of experimental. rock music in the late sixties, but still around like cale and reed everybody around, because kells producing patties. right and there are hanging out in max's. I guess right and you're there right.

And pretty fun dear member, who is fun. I remember everything that is the problem. I do an egg do, member when he first, I thought it over eighty and seventy seven he was genius was out when he came in he rolled around in the glass you know now. I photographed him when he is doing that to our word. David boy was playing the piano I need the he just Lee was that those pictures were lawyers in those were so great to shoot him then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've talked to him is another kind of brilliant guy. I enjoyed photographing him at his home as well as a great for a subject and one about what about LU, LU, did you know without doubt I mean what what can you say you're getting on. I did I mean I photographed him. I I photographed him in many many times and friends with john care. I met him in uk, and then I took this.

And this picture of loo and john at lose apartment yeah. That was a riot and then I just thought I saw Lou read so many times you know around new york. Do you know who he is was friends with a lot of you know, artworld friends of mine and and what was the vibe like in new york was. It was was that during the period well, I guess was the early seventies was. Was it still did? It feel pretty broken when I moved to new from the uk like downtown online you're sure it was something else I mean. Yes, you can see it in downtown eighty one, my friend, Glenn, o brien movie, the best thing bout that movie. Is it there's all those pictures of the lorry side? The way it used to look like me, I am see here- is Bob burnt down yeah yeah that those were great time and see me. I want to see these, I went to see c b d ye. I went there and draft all those people yeah by who demi ahead.

I ain't and had time had whole all the whole heart heartbreakers pretty However, we are pretty much how'd, you like what was a vibe around because, like a it just seems like yeah heroin kind of like, came in and was really destroy Dave and in it, and I always wonder because your people talk about it in in the abstract all of it, but I mean must have been able to view it. You can't hide dope, sway have to assume that there was a sort of constant censored. People could dead at any time No, I mean like me, you know I mean you know I mean, heroin, you know tons of people took heroin, I knew a billion painters and writers and well known people, and you know- and you know just because you take heroin once in a while or once in a blue sure, doesn't mean you're going to be.

I'm somebody takes takes it. I never never. You know, I never understood that. Well, I mean No I'm not I'm just saying I was around. Some people were really featuring it here and there were there with all. These are world figures who, in other words it is lying at once in awhile, is like not didn't become. You know the definition of their life moving on journal, sure wiping will good for them. Yeah right on you. Didn't you didn't get him, I guess re ray and in so when did you meet warhol? It was. I was he some because when you talk about taking pictures of people here and the idea of it and in the whole idea of way here what he gave to the art world I mean, when you met him was it. Here too exciting or did were you a fan You know: I've never been a quote fan whom anybody I mean it's just not

me marianna augurs well I mean I'm, not I'm not braindead. I love Robert frank, oh yeah, I love cartier bresson. I love eugene, I'm gay yeah. I mean I love breast size, cortes yeah, but I've never been a fan which is good because you don't want to be a fan when you're taking pictures of these people right. No, of course I mean. I know that from talking to him, if I'm a fan It's gonna be a fan boy, patient yeah and usually I have a fundamental not cynicism by, dare I usually say lack of respect. I don't think that's it. I think I a fundamental need, an ability to see them as people me too. well yeah. I think that's what makes you great thanks. I really She added yeah baby. It's interesting though. So, where did you photograph warhol rain? I saw the as you know, not

you know say that I wasn't impressed with Andy warhol sure I liked him immeasurably. He was a great photo subject. We need, though, is completely collaborative and willing to be photographed, and I was answer your question. I was working with my good friend glenn, o brien, at four interview as one of their contributing photography, earth and Andy warhol studio was on one side, and the interview magazine was on the other side, so go over to the other side, and food, Andy Warhol any was always completely willing to be followed. after the I'd say you we would do you always say that you'd say no. We wanted to know where I got what I was wearing like all where'd you get. That show that our words that's gonna, turkey out where'd, you get those both in our. I photographed him alive. Rigid berlin, who I I I became friends with an I just really severe her as an artist. So I we idle, It was not so funny because that's a you know what the word those words because I like you,

desires. You immediately I'm sure he was earnest, but that's, like you know, of any makes it not about him Feel seen yet true, you know, he had a lot of things that I mean I I you know what I noticed about him. I got every camera that Andy Warhol used. He used a minox gl for awhile. I bought one, the kind of guy with a pop up flash. I got one here. He famously use the pro the polaroid pro. Issue with a long now that was brilliant on his party, did not get that bud regarding the eyes of many always had something as an as an interface as something I had a kind of veil between him and other people had a player and her amre. So I got stuff that I'm doing and I can reconcile why I'm out here because he went out a bit a lot. He did. He may be made

he made art out of it sure the the polaroid era was pretty big era, yeah and all those paintings he took from fotolia rights, yeah yeah, and then how can he did all that weird shit with the photo montage yeah? He did. Oh, my god. Those are something else, yeah really, and he was pretty good vain or do you believe you did that? I still remember those photo montages, but am right. So that's so what talk specifically about boroughs because he seemed out have had a long relationship with him me? I really I loved william get like when I I dont have a united. I've listened do talk and I've watched you documentary as obvious. We read his books, but when he's very disarming, because you sort of this weird sweet, almost soft spoken old guy right, William. a swede. Some spoken old guy. You know, william You know me and William just got along rear and I would just say: william was you know, I mean

Am I to favorite photo subjects, bob marley being the other wire, william ray? we knew how to be a vote, subject, is just so great here, so I just when I was taking his portrait. It was just so gratifying and he got to we know that kate's not. trying to you now I don't know I mean we just I don't know what he was thinking man. I know that we both respect each other and I treated him with immense respect and always good manner, and I didn't get too close, and I wasn't like a fan right and in our eyes take that william was mister fuzzy bunny by any strategy. I think he was definitely not like that, but did you talk to him yeah for short time. In fact, the last time I saw william he was talking to me about how and know what was it John jornal, at the bunker here and I shot that life life is a killer photograph in front a johns, peas and

and William wanted to talk to me about how next week he was going to have cataract surgery right and I you know I was like looking at him and talking to him and listening to him and and and I just I shot him at his home and lords Kansas and, like you mark he was a cat freak and wrote a group book which called the guy had a sad, ok near Adam, so I photographed his home and large kansas and in new york and out I just photograph. You know so much. I didn't photographing him in london any lived. He lived in one for quite a while, but last time I saw him at the bunker. I did. The life is a killer, sheer he had just in Paul balls who he had come in from Kansas, our old friends right now, and you haven't seen Paul balls in twenty five years and I said so did have fun with an icy ample balls. It always was

excellent? We talked about all of our old friend. Are all dead now like that lets sweet? Oh, he was great, and in What do you think it was like, as a result, a sort of ass enemies that when he was the bunker that there was a a group of young artists musicians that would this common sit around. I kenya and hand it was did. Did say stop or were they just wanted to be part of the presence I mean was he was spinning yarns. I mean what was going on. I mean, when is there a you know it was a camp. There was, it was it was. It was very you know defined. I was there with my best friend curl up felt net, a painter. And I was there with irish Silverberg, who was Williams countries boyfriend he's got a whole year, so we me too giorno Carl outpost Irish, Silverberg and William. That was it here and of us were, you know,

fans and- and- and I wasn't that I wasn't taken heroin with william s- barrage I don't know. I mean this sort of myth, myth which your sort of alluding to which makes sense about how you know young Lights were sort of hanging eyes. Every word I ever saw that wasn't o er I give you are therefore reason I was working, yellow and, and you shall blondie a madonna yeah shit will Debbie and Chris lived in the flat above me, oh and for a longer house with now you were smear gateways, brows here and there shot Debbie a lot. She was she's impact. she's getting your friends you I like her yeah yeah. I see her, but I mean I'm a photo her out in her house in new jersey it out in new jersey. She has a house yeah cause. I was just too she's there touring a bit. I just really today John DOE was in here from acts all while here he's good. Yeah I've never met him. Three guy, I photographed.

Is he related to lydia launched now now less active axis I'm an exit out tobacco, yeah, yeah yeah, ladys like around. right. I forget, because I did this photograph with Lydia and william- and yeah so yeah. That's it There's a lot of photographs. I add that are not in a book yeah! That's. Why brought these? You know. I do have time. I when I looked on my ipod, because I wanted to show you more pictures and then I like just dumb, in some, but we didn't have time to look at them, because I should have shot like a ton of other people, and what are you gonna do with him with these blind. You hang julia words, the big book, one, I'm gonna, do the big bark. Ok, that's what I'm the interest that is certainly what I'm driving towards the big book. Yes good, So how did this like? Because I despise you're, not a fan their. Seventy people, you like rats, subjects he I'm probably as people

yeah, but it's to me, like the marley experience from the beginning. it must have been hard for you to separate that I mean I just couldn't ever forget bob marley when when did this happen first well and where, firstly, I first photograph bob in nineteen, seventy five at the lyceum and Then I guess I met him afterwards after the show anna capacity introduce me to him, and then I just the picture got the fish. back in the pictures were really good here. I just I'd never heard this kind of reggae before and then I just I just really. I really had a good rapport with them. So that's when I just started focusing on shooting this John of music. I kept gone down to jamaica and gone back to jamaica and you know, or the music moved you you're, the music, mainly mainly will bob really. I was

bob and the weller seen our family. and buried his brother com. and bear the summer you know the bob marley and the wailers. It was something else I still when I look at, videos of him, you know on you too, is he was transcendent does, but later You know some more sherman than show men. You know I was just here: that's how so really took me, and then I went on the road with him all over europe and the activity, early, exodus, tour and, for I loved him, and you know paris and oliver, germany and and copenhagen in sweden, and then we went to london and then you now we just said rapport and I shot him down, and I did the cairo I have ridden in jamaica and I just love photograph in him. So before before Bobby, though when you thought about these artists anymore. You did you like the music,

Generally, I mean we're: u like a boat person, I love day the boy. I shot him a ton here I mean I love david Bowe, David boy, then I started. Shooting hamon nineteen before the vote? time I shot him. Was the young americans tour occurred in Philadelphia? I think he was using sigma, sound and philly mistaken anyway genius shows down there My brother went pan and eat still lives in philly. So went down a shot, we fully and that those were grade a shot. Radio city, the young americans, We are right, then I shot him in paris with the thin white. we have one great lights with the white to yeah, and then I thought of it in the studio making diamond dogs oh and then and then I look then, coincidentally, he move red red round the corner. For me in woodstock new york, really

So he was my neighbour. I will you have a relationship with them when we, see each other in in in the shop. We were like the only two people who went to the shop and we both like looked at each other and both decided that you know it's like I see you, you see me the greatest shop, it's called the cub, it's still there. What is it is just this, place where, if you wanna buy groceries, but you don't wanna go all the way into town. Anyone like today in the mountains area out it's a great play, so you acknowledged each other, we sure dear dear, but was I just read, bring it up mark only because I thought it was kind of coincidental that this person My password move in right around the corner from me, yeah we're on the place of their anymore. Now I don't so so out of it seems that in talking to you that the people there the most impact in terms of your connection with them. As our we're like that you

where the clash in bali and morally yeah I'd say. Those three were really. I mean they're, so many big shots zepplin and everything, but they were either really loved working with them here. Yes, I do you got those great, I mean those early shots of them yet there are like ceremony, guy, doesn't yeah or your brain it's weird, like you know that you're experience with these people, it's very intimate and you grab these moments, but ye I I would assume that you're talking is not the thing right yeah you're, really the gig. Now it's. Certainly not. How would you like I have a wouldn't shut up, like I don't know when they tell me to do the I don't tell people to do. Yeah I mean you know you're, there were the camera, I mean you know, what's the point, Let me ask you about what would stick with this vote, because I want people, the yeah for sure too, by the book, because you know it's interesting what with reggae when it kind of came on the world scene, it really did change everything

we are right and it was really a moment and then like you, it almost kind of got played out a little bit over time, but you know People that your keith richer has a connection to in a very easy way or road. Nowadays, in the Barroso Lenny cravats riah, credible peace and cases aid and then patty smith, re introduction, which is beautiful or down bruce Springsteen, wrote a peaceful yeah, but somehow or another that, because of your love of of the music in and of the subject of bob this book it you're able to the capture. the history of that time in the history of emu- but also the socio political element. of jamaica. That, like this, is like it's. It's almost like a fool. I commend area photography book it has not. Just you know that the players by it's what they were up again Oh yeah than one love peace. Cancer was very political, and in these guys some of them were under threat

right. I mean, I think so yeah I don't know what the situation around Peter tosh getting killed. Was I own either by but it seemed like that they were up against that. a real uprising- and that he was the voice of something I photographed these gun men. Who were you? No serious gunman, bucking marshal and another a truce for like about fifteen seconds- and I was down there and remind I think they thought it's a hallucination! How many times did you go down? There a lot- I was sent down there by a lot- a record companies- and you know it like going down there still aroun usually stay a golden. I am because it's so beautiful here you can look at were in fleming reese to write and everything and what we like. You took pictures of scrap parry right. He I fucking loved him Yeah yeah. cause. Is a new record come out that one that you do a keith, the reassuring it really yet harmonise tavern record store day? That's

really here, because I really wanted Keith richard to be no interviewed for this work here, and I was really glad that he did it because he worked with robin sly. Annie worked with scratch here and you have to down there either. do you know he was another when he was on. The lamb league originally used is trying to avoid that different problems. He was having with himself and with the law. I mean, I think, that's how I ended up there. I thought to myself signing up to you. I thought to myself. Mark oh yeah, probably mark has having me on the show cause he's such a Keith person, no yeah, you are with the hats. No! No! I am. I am a good guy that, but this is the first. He hasn't come on. We've been talking an hour and didn't come up I mean I like. I know you did some shots to the standard in seem like I shot them alive. Do they have a lot of shots of them live here? But what about backs agents- and you know off stage

I have a a bit yeah, I have. I have a bit of offstage and mick. Jagger was done at the one love peace concert in the realm. Yet in my book, rebel music- and I saw the picture yeah yeah yeah now asked you for money, well yeah I mean you, don't have any cash and with rich people now. Can I don't know about that thing? It is another thing I have seen I can try that marijuana love, delight pay for this, but I don't have any cash But it seems like in the book which is again bureau that you you ve got the full arc of his life because you are asked to go down there and shoot the funeral yeah. I went by myself that everything. It was unbelievable. His funeral yeah it was devastating to what what would he died of gangrene out none. I e died of melon of cats of camp yonder and it was. He was thirty cents. saw my gun on- you- have to remember that when I was on the road with bob in seventy six

and he was only thirty two and had already done exodus. He began his the major britain. Most of his records year on year, so I mean that's: that's how he passed away, but the the funeral was was just so epic, and it was he was lying and stayed and arm. I was sent down there by a tabloid out of the uk, down there and I just went in and I photographed the european search priest and the ceremony in the hall cortege all the way from kingston to say man- and I was right in front of the casket in this flat- beg truck and we got to where he was being buried and it was the hall mountain side was covered with people and yet was to it devastating yeah as if he was alive. Now I can't and how great his music would be we're. I mean yes, yeah I mean well Emmy shot a lot of people had passed, probably prematurely and it's hard to know

what people would have done. That's true but I was only thirty sick. I now I'm still good friend the cook. Here again, We had, I hear he's in miami and and we talk a lot. Talk regularly. Yeah does he cook certainly does this thinking about you about his cooking of these. These are in my book rebel muse area, and and he he's a, he he's, a lovely chap- and you know this is very interesting- was that when I was in the road with bob marley and the wailers is that they would always have to stay in a hotel with the kitchen because guilty to do the I tell food and it would be very you know I mean you know I there was restriction, I don't know I mean it was just very really great health, food ochre yeah. Ok, I mean I don't know. I can't really define what gillies recipes our but there in the book. Ok, some of them here who helped you put this book together. L genesis, publications year:

They publish dead and the idea was to have the sort of running world history of things. Oh oh, I mean I mean my narrative around the photos earlier today and also talking to people. It seems like you place, quotes from all these different people there, there yeah, that was all you while not. My friend, megan vast sues married to Steve Jordan new place with a rolling stone. I know Steve Jordan, alleys, fantastic, and hurry and megan is Heaven he and Megan came round to my studio and we, you know I'd I'd already done. The book put it together for genesis and megan said now: listen man! I want to sit down with you and we're going to like just like. You know, elaborate on your answers a bit and she helped me immeasurably. Yeah how'd, you wrangle all the different quotes from people who were part of it all. like paul seminar, Jos drummer, mere our friends of mine here, and you know we just got everybody that we wanted to having steed

Springsteen here and now we tried to get Keith the first time out, because this is a reiteration of the disease and your book. They came out in two thousand for now we put more pictures in it and we did a lay out and more substance to it and it's a bookstore version and it's a lower price point: mercosur, that's whites, worth getting and there seems to be a there seems to be some bob marley in the air right now is a movie coming out. He others movie about bob coming, I dunno how that is going to be. I think it's going to be great yeah yeah, because you've got to think positive mark. Okay. I gotta remember that bob's message and his spirit were you know all about interdependency, and you know one love here, and this is now jive and he was really you know a really conscious person, and so, if this move

he makes people listened his music. This is a good thing, for I go with him to some now, yeah for sure What's your favorite bob marley record, you know I'll tell you the truth. The island I love ross demand vibration. Here I mean I can't find anything I don't like about that yeah I love natty dread. I love natty dread. I I you know. I love burning. I love catch a fire of I love uprising, and so I love exodus exodus. It's almost like a build up to exodus, yeah and when I was on the road with them, they gave me the record to listen to before it came out and it really Inspired my photographs, yeah will you deadly got the spirit of all them, yeah just remember: family man, barrett and his brother, alt bear it the base in the drum dear while because you're a musician. Ninety you know you're the rhythms action here that we, that is, it all right, I think we did good if you're right, I feel fantastic to come, so I'm so you know

for that. You had me you're gonna, leave your feeling like it was good to you and you, you got other things on your paths that you well. You know I've. Just you know I just what you know. I just want to make sure that I, you know Margaret, I have been working due to flee and diligently and plan to keep working until You know I get my anthology. I just gotta, like you know, that's here, I'm workin on that's gonna be great, because a lot of the pictures are out there but yeah, just there not published unicorn the idea of them fur for outlets. Definitely right for every product, publication, india for sure yeah. Now you just gotta wrangle him altogether on. and you still working you view you don't do your own lapsed after you. No way, but I'm doing a really big painter who are mentioned, but I can't pronounced his name correctly and I wanted blow it Andy, on December. Sixth, so still shootin and it's kind of like MIKE current. My whole am always like. I shoot shoot,

shoot a lot here like like I'm just a lot and then I just stop and then an one I've got to stop period, unlike what what's going on with the star period and then finally like it comes back ogre, but I don't know if you can relate to dabbler. It's like this german. It stuff for very long last year, even if I suffered too weak from like where who am I right people who say that during the pandemic right do I want to do this with my place in the world at right was way I mean, but at least we thought grassy leave something with comedy. It goes. It just goes into the ether. I was thinking about you cause. I was thinking about how you know now. You know I listen to you regularly and I I just himself respectful of you and I watching this pile of of mike because the other night, air and and how great was just to listen to him think and tom here, and this is what I think about you. Martin are year one of the great verbal, my

my strong away our ipad. This is this is why I came all the way to los angeles, to talk to you want I'm honored light, and I was happy that we are able to our regular great thanks for coming. Thank you. There you go wild. We went through a lot of people lot of pictures, You can get rebel, music, marley book, dot, com and look some of our other stuff. I mean this. Picture of osborne. She did. I don't know if you can find it, but he looks like a kid you have so sweet. Anyway hang out for a minute.

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