A guy all right: let's do this, how are you what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck's yours what's happening? I mark me. This is my pod gas. W yep welcome to it today big day, jessica, chasse dane is on the show. I talked to jessica chasse dane. We did it before the strike, You know she is she's, an oscar winter for the eyes of tammy facie she's. I've been in movies like the help, zero dark, thirty interstellar and the martian shoes On broadway performing in a dolls house, he's emmy nominated for her recent performance as tammy net in the door in Tammy many series. she's amazing a girl. It actress, a fucking. movie star. Sid in the room with me. You know. Sometimes I get it

overwhelmed because Certain actors are actually people that I think are great or seemingly bigger than life or something when they show as humans am I ate. I still have our time accepting. It was really the entire a conversation with a gesture ass day was it was electric to me, because just come boy! If you sit there and talk to me, but she the person she is to be a movie star it. As far as can tell and a great actress. So that's gonna and for all you people that is, that is coming down the piker shortly. we're doing five shows it helium and saint Louis september, fourteen through sixtyth by some tickets, I didn't write their last time, but don't if anybody wants to go this time, was on its way because it's hard for me to tell what salt lake city sold out for shows I'll, be there.

Vegas wise guys on september, twenty second, twenty third from fort shows and in October I am in Portland Oregon on October twentieth through twenty second for five shows. shows are selling out already younger beauty of pod dot com for tickets, and oh there's one other thing: I'm not entirely sure how works, but I am presenting dog afternoon at the american cinema attack at the arrow theatre on august. Twenty sixth think it gets. I don't know how exactly in good american cinematic dot com and find it. if that's a member saying or you can just buy ticket, I think he probably just buy a ticket, but dog day afternoon in a nice thirty five millimeter print as you know, I had quite the experience watching that recently and now I'm gonna I'm excited about watching it again. Having do not lately man, I've been watching movie again like right after, watch him the first time- and I don't know

This is our task to have been reading books. I won t, You know a lot of people have written bucks, but I don't know it's good it's something in me- is- is engaging and a in a in a in a good way like last week, on my show birthday. I don't think I told you this, but watch the movie that is sort of like it's it's right up there. Michael Clayton for me- a movie that no one ever talks about, though now people talk about Michael Clayton, a lot, and I d like to think that I kind of To that end, I feel like if you go Can you check the timing on things that I is really the one that brought the new tension to Peter green regional guitar? for if we would mac and I believe, personally, maybe maybe I'm being sorry, I got a cold centred, but- or maybe I'm just being grandiose by. I think I got the Michael Clayton conversation going a few years back. I think I was kind of responsible,

for the new momentum of Michael Clayton and am I a try to do that with this movie by Changing lanes which are, It came out in two thousand and two with Ben Affleck and Samuel Jackson, a great recovery movie like my sober Bertha mike, what am I gonna watch and I add what about it. I had seen last weekend fairly recently the days of wine and roses. I saw fairly recently May I have seen that many times I don't want to to build w story. I don't wanna, watch clean and sober with Michael Keaton, although the opening sequence of that is pretty gnarly when he wakes up next to a dead person. But I decided unchanging lanes- and this is a movie- have watched very often I believe it, I think

if some of the best acting both afflux and jackson, have done in their entire careers, and there are some scenes and at that are just me astor classes, and I don't like using that word. I don't like using word storytelling or the word authentic and you know Roma is starting to wear me out a little bit by bit, I'll say, master class. We because of the way they in sydney, polyxena, sidney, pollack, is always amazing and that's it. That's a that serve you. you go right from Michael Clayton to changing lanes. I dont know why wasn't a bigger movie, but here's the deal brendan. I'm make brendan watching we're gonna talk about for some bonus material, we're gonna, do it a session on changing light quite a movie minute that cause I got it Brennan about it right, but shit. If you want to be up to speed when we do that that bit of business, europe,

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pop up young. I know it's a concern for us in California. All the time- and my heart goes out to those people down there in maui. Salt lake city man, I tell ya out of all the cities in the united states that I wouldn't have assumed, would be a big city for me, in terms of my comedy it really one of the biggest cities. For me, in my comedy white people come to see me there and they're nice people there. There good audiences. And I have a sort of love city. I've talked about this before every time I go there. I have this experience, weather people are mormon or they're, not mormons the people they have experience in salt lake city are always very nice and very open to the work I do just the wise guises. A great club by here creepy I share with you, so after one of the shows they might

been friday. Night second show I don't know if I handle these things right in that this is only in retrospect. that I am able to to share it's like this in a way. So after the show, I I'm I am walking out the front door to walk back to my hotel in the sort of dry heat. of salt lake city in their two guys out front HU I saw leaving the club they were talking to women they must their twenties? They they pretty lit up, not drunk, not necessarily you know high, but just apt Had that kind of like one would look like this, the pretty cool sake: desert rat hipster, dude out of its hipster desert, rad necessarily his pure buddy, you a scruffy it. Looked a little lanky near had a her will kind of a beard moustaches goin had ea intense

energy, yo kind of vibrating and and that look in his eye, like you know, I'm going to fuck things up, look and then he was hanging out with a guy that around the same age didn't look as a hard look like is the year the second banana kind of like hey man, you know I dunno. If we should do it and then the other guys, like fuck yeah, we're going to duties, are alright dude, what the fuck do it. He was the second, but they were there How can these women, and ass walking out in I they did not look like people. would come to my show on purpose This is my projecting, though after the second show on on Saturday night? There is definitely a bridle back my party there, who I'm sure did no research. I I don't see that if you looked me up and the euro, Where are we gonna gopher ver cynthia s party forever basher at he wouldn't woodwork me up and say, like this. Guy's gonna be great for that, but I didn't talk to

I just knew that like they're, probably they seem to be having good time. They had nothing to do with me. It was after the show. So anyway, I'm walking out, I see these guys are welcomed by him and they they can, I feel their energy on me and one of them goes. So what do you do now? Man What are you doing now now This is, after I do a show that was yeah. There was plenty. bye. And tie anti semitism material in it plenty declaration. Declaration of Jewishness in it. So ok so this guy goes. What do you do now and then the other ones are like yeah man? What are you doing? I'm like? Well, I'm just going to go back to the hotel. You know now, go yeah and I am like why what what's up is like in the little bearded dare readier within one gaza, you sure you want do any hate crimes longer: do some hate crimes,

and you know it's a weird question denoted mean even comedically, it's a weird question, but I took it as such and I said sure man you got any spray paint. Let's go, find a synagogue and I thought just add to the joke that I had started but then, as I was walking away with the weird but laugh after that. change? I thought like not be how it would start would that be like you? Obviously I'm an old man and our, need to hang out with these. Like you know twenty, something's, who are all lit up for one reason or another with their with their own. and they were their girlfriends, but when that ate whatever? That tone, was that kind of cryptic, sort of like is he joking or is he not joking, which is a fairly popular tone now You know that like yeah yeah, it's a joke man, it's a joke right or not. Is it a joke? Maybe trompe does that, alas,

It's gonna be a shifty. Two sided thing: you know I get how's it going to land depends on who you are and then I'll decide whether was a joke or not, but What, if I said, yeah, let's out, what are you guys doing? Would I have become the hate crime, I don't know, be a, but obviously I am not going to hang out with them on the budget, but I just wondered wooden tone b? we, the same pattern, maybe I'm projecting, maybe I'm being weird, but it and so this and this is exciting, This is exciting and again again Thank you, salt lake city. This is exciting jessica. Chest Ain is here she's nominated for an enemy in the category of outstanding, outstandingly actress in a limited or involved. series or movie for her performance. In george and communist episode was recorded on june, fourteenth before these sag after strike. And it was a lovely exe bidding for me?

to jessica, justine. You see, I haven't I looking yes, and I think I think I have so I've restaurant hands groundwork in a restaurant. At some point, my life cook. cooking in a restaurant right just short order now, not a real cook. It was beers, thereby, though Job I had nineteen, praying just add a college, but yes, you know when you cook and engage in. You just agree, of course, that covered in, but I do twice, I stuck it into a toaster that is still too those dealing with them. You know some sort of badly melting, vague and she Yes, that's the hardest part about it. It is, is the chief as how are even vaguer, for twenty years further Chris,

I don't like. I was making before they even really had store, bought the intruder. Jim was an ethical thing. Why did it start? It started. I think because I didn't have a lot of energy, I wasn't feeling well and their friend of mine who was a famous actress I mention and locate michel volume we didn't play together and she had this too weak food. delivery proba gave us some award show and then she was going to use it. So she gives me and it was big and food, and that was it. yeah and you away, so you felt better. Like the energy thing reality I mean not only was a vague and it was like a raw vague in which that was rock raising. That was crazy and I did like a week in the first week I was just so pissed off all the time I do about like what is this year and, in the second week felt like I was high, although all the sums like yeah, I just felt so be calm and cool here and then so yeah. I then I finish the two weeks in high glassed till now

well I'm not raw vegan anymore, though you think it was derived, I think so I mean, and then I was when I finished, though I went and had fish and risotto and immediately I just felt tired and sick again, like gosh, and I'm vague, and do you have a vague and sort of chemistry? Brandy now everything goes together I'm not someone who thinks like I need. A ton of protein causes protein and everything cauliflower. Yet so I'm not I'm never like and also not really, I mean a muslim I like bulking up, I'm not like. I need to be on a high protein diet. You've never had to bulk up for a role. I actually actually that's that's what I did woke up for real. Nutritious, told me, Tita, tonic, kinda, really that was for the big, an approach given. Thank you because I was watching like it's funny, though, by guy look

I mean I loved the georgian tammy, I watch I watch on a day which is alarming. Aid would, and I would be depressing it was alive. I did not feel great after, but no no, no, I'm big fans of both of them so as to fill in all those gaps around the sort of mythology of those two was great but there, but to get back to barking up. There are moments that had we had it, I've had it a couple other times where you know, Michael who I've talked to before or where he's wearing certain shirts or unlike wow, well, george, pretty fit because he goes back and forth. From like older white hair george at the little bellied till I got well look at him, but he had muscles are mike. Why, then, I fear that just do you know that we all stand shaven, you get a role you like it. I don't know if you're gonna, but you must wait for that reason. I lost way further last episode because they had to do this side. You know we did the flash back to them step aside

and when she had the port she could really eat any marshals turn away. So that's when I fast I dont really realise that she was that young, when did die, I didn't via post, look like she was at her seventies in that old monster of tissues, eighty saw what a monster. Ah, my guide I know I mean the stories about what happened after her death. It's just you do. We have, because it's quite fascinating. So, of course, it makes sense that you would someone with like while less at this, but you like, I don't wanna, give that any life it's all you know. I was just idea that her kids had no idea after she died. you know about what does she died? What the other not from the news and then she was there was like a party at the house. With He was lying there on the couch. Really where's, later yeah more was like viewing her and our kids. I mean it's pretty in algeria. It's pretty early gnarly huh

you can read it, it's all in books and people of tat, about it? What I mean? I was sorry it's interesting to me because I'm I watch acting more firstly, lately, because do some of it. I know, you're really good at it. Oh, that's very nice, usa. I do what I can do. I think I give it my all but back appraisal? I always sort of casually get lessons from you for incomes, but it is pretty great too. You probably were like woe together were amazing, yeah, but I don't really know her. I knew some of her work and you know when we first met, unlike our eye, but all you can do is show up and do it do you notice yourself open to what's in front of you? I find that if I get out in my own way yeah it tends to be better right, and I I did you know I did things you know I I did this with the accent. Yes,

It is. I I figured I figured, but it was good because I'm naturally somewhat codependent and I knew it was kind of her movie. So I was sort of like I felt like I was there in service of her either way in character out of character, and that's so fascinating wow the ground. The movie, though, in a whirling I swear you guys it does. I know you're in service, but it feels like a partnership. Oh yeah, definitely area. I don't felt bad for her in as a character and andor, but also like she's viking variant, yeah throws a sort of like there's a there. I guess, if you ve had it, we work with people like I'm, not gonna talk to her well yeah hell yeah miami mike shannon could be like that. A bit yeah yeah, where he's just like. Oh, he is in it right now. Alright, let's keep I'm just gonna we're going to keep the energy love this of the scene and let's go what I thought like in retrospect. The thing I keep thinking about that movie cause I try to kind of guess on these. Scenes where, where something really changes and obviously those character, get old boy

when you guys are making out when you're old, it was really kind of the most vulnerable of all of that was my favorite seen actually right, yeah, fully clubs like there's nothing. I felt like salacious just felt, loving, yeah and given yeah and given the past scenes with those two right, one where the other there and also was your toe we clothed and It was nothing to really lose any more and you didn't really seem to give a shit whether you were going to get caught yeah. now an end in june in, but you both sort of acted your The old movements, like you know when, when you have the precedents for how they used to do it, kind of like yeah, I'm you know it slightly awkward if you're, if you're playing someone throughout the years, and then you, you know like scott, this

I wish guy and and now all of a sudden he there's nothing changed about the way he's kissing or like we're all the idea that we would be, but I think that is, I think, that's probably the hardest thing to do once you. the character and place too to age out like that, and they behave properly in that type of intimacy? As that older version, yeah yeah, I just kept thinking ass. She was in so much pain. Our at that point drive. I just kept thinking about dialogue, where's the pain and the body, and you know when I. feel good. I don't want a move very much, You know that sense of that kind of like I think like okay, I need to act older. I just kind of thought of like okay where's, my pain in the body. What does it feel like? Ok, but I love him and how do I express love when this x also exists, right and then the love for him is also a sickness. total there's a lot, a reduction in the show? Where are you

I mean? I mean it, I'm a sober guy, so I you know all of that is like this is relentless saw, but but everybody sort of changes either. I dont know like what did you like this a second time in a fairly short window, that you played like real people and they're both kind of country, people yeah. I mean I well, actually play a lot of real people like molly blue right here, even in the good nurse here that this I play a nurse who who track down material or helped get it. To confess and stop him for you spent, I'm with bloom right casement Bloom ice ice spent time on the good nurse I see up with with georgian tammy, obviously I couldn't write. I was ten million at, but spent time the daughter. Yeah spent time was peanut, montgomery and charlene. So you you do these real people, but you're doing like just as well case, just stick with Tammy so like. Where did start the process of woody

Like do you start with like emotional thing of her her started, because my process was really long with this one here, Jeff brawl, it actually approached me two thousand and eleven at the old and gloves, is the first time I was ever there as I just had movies yeah. he's issued movie star and come up to me talking to me like those mainly which will also like what is happening in my right, very good at disarming you. If he is he, I tell you. I never met before my life when he came over here. He got out of the car, and my guy knows he's just like a normal caught I'd. Do John mother very charming an angel It came up to me and said: have you ever thought about playing Tammy when I was like no but sure? Let's do it It's always his did. He have the project guidance he's a producer on our projects, and so it was like for over a decade. I was thinking about playing her and a kind of went I had in the first place I stop was kind getting ready rid of any preconceived idea. I had about her because you know

The whole movement of you know, feminists, saying that stand by your man is a song. That's really bad for women. Hillary Clinton came out and said, I'm no, you! camera that standing my mind ran, ensure timmins like why am I being brought into the euro area small I for the yes and then they ended up making up are heard every night. I believe Tammy performed I wonder how much I mentioned that are required and making up oh yeah, I dont offers on sixty minutes. I was a big big deal when clearly as a reference YAP monica in some ways now and she ended up standing by your man. They will tell me one that was was married five times. So I think, for all these women to say: oh, the song is so bad for women. It's also like how your interpreting the song, nor in our series, kind of goes into it. It mean. stand by your man and our series isn't about state

by someone sending with someone you know through difficult, d. You know when it's bad for you, although towards the end, Tammy, really isn't it bad situation here in her life, so okay, so getting back to the original question. So what did you focus in on when you do dealt with the character of her like? What's the first part the first I had to get me outta, my own misconceptions of who she was in them up with her music at all. Why new stand by our man? Sure you know that's pretty, but you you're coming not canary now I mean yeah, I do I mean I was patsy was always in the. How are you had to climb yeah? There's your mom I think it was my mama grandma, maybe all your laid a lotta, patsy and then up, I'm trying to think was a kitty I mean I'm with anyone else, and I try If I hear dont member who introduced me to carry, but so I had like

definitely had a foot in it. Which is probably why I was so interested in, of course, hank Williams, like everyone, you know, but- and I love those harmonies. I love like a folk singer, songwriter music, that feels like it, not that it costs something but feels deep, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I definitely sometimes it resonates is not its not that common yeah. You know it's, but kitty wells is another thing about these country artists, as they record new stuff until they're are one hundred years old, oh yeah, it just keep doing it. It's that and also it's that, because they they weren't used to really performing and with sound systems right, so they have their own eyes, hedges, height cindy. You was that true, That was at a real thing the when he accorded damn. He stopped them now today, Alice now that was that was the man, It covers writing, but the real I mean it was true in there's a whole book and we read it-

It's amazing. I Africa was called by the whole book is about them hoarding of that song ruined yeah. It's an amazing read at about how long it took in how difficult it was and how believe in something really kind of manipulated, situation in really. You know how it was like six hundred takes. like over and over again they would be. Would piece together line by line to get this song done. I thought it was pretty honest for a rendition of you know how the record business works with those eyes only without fully demonizing o completely That's it we're it's rare that you are able to empathize a bit. You know with the age He gave his in studio people. There are taking advantage of the artist kind of gaza. There is a there's, a relationship there, but yeah I feel like there, the record exacts monster yeah,

but like even if there's a line in our series where belly says to Tammy. If I tell you to sing three blind mice, you tell me what you your only response is lucky and actually that's something tammy say a row because it also gets to appoint of like she for her billy cheryl? Was he saved I'm here aren't I met somebody really in her mind, so she was like there, nothing wrong that that man can do, and so they were. There really was a sense that these all these people around her and george Jones. I could see what they were going and they would write music that me. heard what their friends were experiencing and then they would have their friends slash the per artists, meme and they would be these huge heads were, but then every time you're performing their performing. It is just like opening up wounds or over again, but act, and I love that kind of art sure I swear. I think you listen to. He stopped loving her today or you. You know you listen to some of these songs. I cannot cry when he was. Oh, my god. I love that.

It's over. I heard a story about georgia, but how he used to close with that song and in there was a period there were. This. Is some guy told me his dad on this that, depending on how drunk he was like one Why? That's all you do that determine the way from the show. Oh, that's! Ok, my you're, like a lord it over here, will she had a little thing. I'm we kind of alluded to it would by your man she had especially towards the end she had hand signals behind her. That would lead us. They know if she, but we use it for something else. By right, real life would let them know she was gonna, hit the notes and stand by your man. And if she was the backup singers would have to do it and she would go underneath cause a restraining third yeah because she was not so I mean tubes. It amazing tool www appearing for something you gotta look at original regional when she first started singing stand by your man felt so kind of look like.

Gary the gate you and then you see her all of a sudden as it evolved yeah. It's almost became like performance act where she go into the audience and she'd sit on lapse and give kiss air, and it wasn't really telling a story more was connected to the audience. So I didn't really. in some sense, it didn't mean at a certain point I buy. It gave the funds for the one exists, you a sort of hyper and she knew journey without wiser, but ok, so You were just on stage. We like a couple I mean no saturday night was my closing night. Saturday night was closing night Sunday night was the tony's monday morning at seven thirty. I was flying to allay because my best friends who had worked on this for life for years they had their premier, but days today instead, I said that was two days gus. I went to their premier to support them. What was at the flash

yeah he saw that yeah. Yes, I was a good really really good. I mean I was in Barbara muscatine and the unanimous sketchy I was in their very first film. They ever did and I was in two, so we are with to a form of their films. How and on yeah there's like I mean yeah family, I just kit azra. No, play, a young dolly in this new, dolly land movie. Would then kingsley? Ok, ok, sir ban sir bad tomorrow, I'm talkin a survey. You are you know what your taste or about here then I was heading to go to Iraq. Thirty and I saw him. I think it was at the airport. I said going to chandigarh? India has ok. Let me any gave me a list of to do he said when you go to india, you're toothbrush and in the water and brush your teeth with it in any said, drink whisky every day. Like all,

in to not get sick. I did not get sick in interview and he did it. I did. I did everything he told me to do, and I I was one of the only people who did not get one. Why did you go to india, zero, dark? Thirty that there yeah chandigarh india and then for Pakistan yeah it was. It was, I think, a three hour drive for yeah and you didn't get sick. I did not get sick. Yes, sir Ben man yeah, so What was it did? Not the cherry orchard? The would you just do. I dolls house dolls if I did answered the cherry orchard like fifteen years, because I'm not going to use the other guy, but like so ibsen like, is there a specific way to do that?. If we let me invite those like like, doesn't he right in a certain way that requires? Is something unique

absentee about something that requires a type of yeah. It was written one hundred and fifty years ago, okay, but we, but it's because it was written in another language, and you know we have it's adapted by Amy, hertzog and she's. The first woman to adapted for broadway, which I find really interesting because it's one of the most I feel miss feminist pieces of nurture him and the fact that a hundred fifty years ago, ibsen about a woman leaving her husband, ran the ended, door slam at the end. They say it like was the door sam echoed around the world here. so yeah I was it's been fascinated to have her kind of look at it in and it's Our version was like it's the dolls house, but she modernized the language of it was. That's interesting that I guess you can around out the characters in a certain way with if with a translation absolutely like she may what I love. What she did is in use

but I've seen a doll s house. It's like the care Nor is this beautiful victim and his beer honnami. All these men in her life and and tabled. Is this brute, her husband and Amy's version nora, participates in holding up the system that oppresses her, so she like helps, create turrible by telling him he's graded everything, and you know- and she doesn't little fir baby- his forum. You know because he like saying you know like to make him feel more like them like she's participating. She cut to changes who she was for each person around her to try to make them like her right and then olives and she's like this is bullshit I'm not doing this anymore. I don't know who I am, but I gotta go figure it out right and I've and tormented in Amy's version. Also he's not just this brute he's steeply and secure. Man who feels like he's doing his best, right, a b.

The leader in sums consequent leader of this house, the man of the house and in reality would be much happier if, if there was equality between the two eddied enough to carry everything on his shoulders, our interesting. So it's like if it's the thematic. These, secure? One matter I think So honestly, I think sometimes it's like the the dog usually that bite. You are the ones that are scared, yeah. That makes sense. So I saw grew up in california, right, yeah, northern california. Where mento an all around our environment, who, oh my, do they still have malls. I mean when I did actually what I did the eyes of Tammy Faye, that's what I would do every weekend as I go to the mall and around yeah cause that's what she did mall somewhere with no actually in in. Where do we shoot that north carolina charlotte that? Would that Malta's bustling yeah. That was actually fun like. Oh my this reminds me of my childhood.

Yeah. I like my eyes to do comedy and sec at the at the punchline. Ok That was in that there was a mall next to a mattress store, they put it up across the sky from the Arden fair mall, oh wow, so we'd go wander around. I think the art fair manner was the fancy emma was it I think so. Yeah yeah there was like a train. Remember, there's three miles growing up in art and fair was the one had the expensive hours them. yeah you were put up at the expense of law. The algiers near their magnificent or just a mattress or with the mall may use fancy. Maybe there's a movie there there I think moment so, like Sacramento Sacramento, do you guys are not met More I mean I don't have family there anymore, but I worked at sacramento theatre company. I d christmas carol there for a few years. I went to see the Joseph and amazing technical color dream? I, like seven, my grandma took me there music circus, yet again,

Was that like what was it b street theatre theatre that the life changing moment? Yeah, that's what I was like. Oh! This is what I am not sense of like. Oh, I want to do that when I get older. I was like this is what I am and then I just started to harass my mom begging her to take me to l a to audition for commercials future. No cheating What would your mom do cause. She did a lot of things. She was real estate agent, who was a part time, yeah real fears area here. The ladys do that some I think it's manner. If my mother tell everywhere busied with to nice. can move any place greater? yeah. Maybe you shouldn't by displaying just got right free of, but that's not a confident enough, and if you aren't you do she bartender too and what about your dad- we're all eating grow up with my dad

yes, so there was a lot I was raised by single bombs. Oh yeah, I have a step dad whose a fireman great he's amazing I ended up. I asked him when I was here Let me move to college, and I asked him- I can- I call you and from now on he's like he does you good. It was like a scene from a movie. How long have you been in your life? At that point? That's all. I think we met this summer of my eighth grade year. So let's call go MIKE mike yeah cause he's my stepdad. He didn't know how long he'd be around either yeah. Exactly I had a lot of stepdad. You did so I was like hey, but once you know I got to the point of like I really like you hey. Can I click that the cow and attain how about. I was, of course he cried. Why would he d artagnan? There said he? I love had restored Oh yeah, in fact we're all going on vacation together still together.

Better guess you could really like some level your mom and Tammy? yes, yes, absolutely sally and how's your mom doing great she's, now retired she's, a great grandma, I'm not a great grandma she's there is a great grandma grandmother to your kid yeah yeah. Sir? It's cover all actually about you. Gonna of vacation too. Or so it'll, be really fine with your ear them your mom and might by aids. I ma my husband's family. My friends like to buy your step MIKE yes he's coming really. I ever organ going together Y yeah, that's They don't quite know where their yeah, it's just a wee. I'd stay out of it. I'm like I'm, not getting involved

so I don't wanna out anything on this struck up a regulation is to convey, I don't know, you're not going into my job. As many of you know. Sometimes we get to a certain age in the railways with your parents, change the, and you can actually be sorted surprised, sir, like what the exact I don't need to know everything I need to be a bit like so single mom situation that were so was kind of lean, very lean, barely yeah There was some, There were a lot of sit times where we are. I mean. my mom really really worked hard. There were three of us kids, but I remember I, being in honour of his high school or junior high. Some was talking about this play curse of this having cast glassware Santer prepared his hampshire player and she saw tat. He was talking about like how the sun in the, I would go and look at the fridge rate. It was a mistake,

actually open the refrigerator, look inside and just stare, and even though there was nothing in there and I was like that was the first time I realized. I was like. Oh my god sauce cause. I did that I'm constantly go to the fridge and open the fridge, even though I knew there was nothing in there, but it was the first time I was sitting in school, which is talking with that. I was like that's her situation. All right ash were different. Yeah yeah, we're you're, you're part of a dark tragedy. Play kind of you know. I mean we weren't, I we weren't all of the tragedy of that play, but the first time I realized like wow. I mean she's working really hard to get us fed book. There are other today is that you go to their house and they have like yes, here. The fridge is full of food, the most funds knack by what so what how was the school experience. Having did when did you start acting in a hostile? one night, I started as soon as it was in elective because when you're an element Clayton. I knew I wanted to do it. I was never

I don't know I wasn't like the best student. I was a bit polly of noxious as your friends here. I was gonna nerdy and ye had like one time. I you know. prompt my here, then I looked like Annie and then cut it off and I like really short, hair red hair and, like I was just kind of I remember it's: it's sos like I looked back and went off like but sweet like look clueless person. I remember like sitting in the cafeteria and like eating orange, bills and banana appeals, because it may people noticed me like in the sky.

their kids they be like on my god. Look at her like. I know it's terrible really wanted some weird. It's just one is like people to notice me, which has so far been a weirdo for being a weirdo, but at least they they have been. I was hearing on anything something you're, the weird star figure, the banana appeal. I know because then they could like color while she's what you know. I bet you there's people in the world that dont really remember don't really associated with you but remit. for some girl from junior high, that eight banana pills there was a young capital. It was younger than junior high costs in your eyes. When I started to get attention for member there's a guy, they picked his nose or the crochet needle. Oh, my god. I think I'd never did that level irene think you, but it's like one of those things it's weird jaso eating banana gills would be right up there with some someone somewhere said there used to be. This girl was you that was

about what I would do to thy oscar winning banana appeal either. He probably was terrible, doesn't remember, sitting in the cafeteria Marilyn's going on my comp images. But then in a junior high Theater was an elective. You can choose like you know, elective since I like I'll, just choose the drama class I got a lot of a meat There was an immediate sense of oh I'm good at this I always felt like I wanted to do it I never opportunity elementary school cause. You really need to be the one. In addition, you just have to have good grades, then think I was like holding up like naw. You know sure I remember the elementary school you can't work. Can you really do yeah right? You want to be on stage and be cured, but our indian get laughs or whatever exactly have no control over now, but usually the case Second for doing that was revised or whatever you like. I wasn't getting dorset uranium, those partial you know I was like holding up

you know the castle. Why weren't you getting your cause? I wasn't there was those parts but always go to the kids, who are well behaved and who great good, but then, when it became elective- and it was like Ok, you never were here monologue eroding, see. Work in there was an immediate sounds like oh, I don t, but animal fr. I like this now all of a sudden, unlike with my for these, are there everyone in this room is as weird as I am that we don't like it does lead towards beware. Dumper papers- and we could just like you know, career are like do staff to china. I want like some competition, this in my report, I yet I still have a seat trophy, I wasn't expecting it. There was like we had of duties, monologues and the teacher said. There's this. Competition. I think, because We were this. The state capitol everyone, cable sacramento, for it was off campus and I remember being there The monologue anomaly. Think of us could please, god only seventeen with about a girl who was driving.

car she was driving unsafe and then she died and she's like begging god to let her live again and I was like crying. I was like dude this whole thing and then called the winners. I won t for, like the best you're able to cry yeah who is able to economise because I was wondering if whether went it before I talk to you later, there seems to be like, even with the characters are obviously it's part of acting but but like it feels like that you're you're able to maybe experience vulnerability in these characters that you didn't or worn able to win, the person. I wonder if its and I've met. I think my action might be like this a little better. I think there's a sensitivity in my god ultra sensitive is also he's. I he's more vocal about this, in terms of like when he is in an area of theirs loud. It's like a lot Talking of touching Adam. He starts to cut a panic about, but I have to we sometimes were being and like even occur.

sir, where there's a lot of energy or sounder. I just feel If, like I don't have the protective layer case right right, so there's an open sensitivity that yeah. So I can then just like sometimes when little kids are playing, they believe it's real what's happening. I can sometimes people ask me especially dolls house cause. It was so emotional, it's like an hour, where every show I was crying like doing this whole thing and then say How do you do it? What do you think about what I'm always like? I think about what's happening here, and I just did about it and then I feel like it's happening to me were, and I don't have to go. Oh, let me go into my sense memory or I rose by substitution here present with the situation like a little kid There is an amazing audition for e t, it's. The lead. Acta forgot his name boat hoops elliot you, the kiddies auditioning for elliot new here Steven Spielberg. Its voice in the back he's on camera. You hear him at the audition here and

It's okay, we're going to do some improv with you and he says located and they silk. Then the guy starts saying we're going to. Your alien away and he wrote then all of a sudden. This kid starts. Saying. No his mind, you can't take up my love of many like sorts crying, and I really just like breaks your hard and then You can hear the adults there like what has happened and you hear Steven Spielberg go. You got the park kid. I think, think. That's it. It's like! I could to improv something and then I'll just believe it's happening, many whatever happens at my body. I allow it to happen. So that's the thing you you always had. ways I think it's just that sensitivity so right, but the ability to be present, yes, and also not allowing the world to close me up. That's all that's, I think a big big thing,

because I think, there's a lot of things that happen in this world war. We build walls to try, protect ourselves, and I am quite vulnerable and I could be in situations where I can be ta ta Sometimes or speech or you know, someone could come overdid Tell me something, and then I could get emotional when I dont want to mere. So I think it's that Do you don't allow the world to close you yeah, but how do you like I mean, but that cause I'm just like. I have a sensitive to ike boomed, but I would include smell yet, oh oak. Can walk into a house? Here's I have at my He says about her. I can walk in two thousand and immediately be like an animal went to the bathroom. I can smell any. and it makes me he got. My husband bought a compost machine.

and it almost cause. I don't have a divorce, because every time I walked into the house as like it smells horrendous in this house. I can't live here, I'm so sensitive to that as well. Either item switch treadmills. Today we can smell got on the treadmill. Next to me. I just cannot deck other people's cleaning products, even from hiking and like someone taking downhill anaemic. Why are you showering before you? like. Why do I smell your soap and then I try not to get resentful. I was concerned this morning because I had sort of a patchouli accident. I'm like she's, going to think I'm like some sort of we're up up up up up up up up. I will say that with a second I sat down and you like- and I see a hare maremma in front of me and a knife, unlike what is called a judgment and feel safer knows your optional. Have you say something in a probe ages, but so that sensitivity, though I mean how do you do so instinctively,

No, you can engage you when you're acting but like how you you it's hard to make choices not to get crushed by the world. I mean that's something thinks, all isn't it no, I mean because, like you seem to have like you, weathered quite a storm the child. So I imagine you were put into positions that you probably too young to be put in yes. So, but I didn't never men, maybe because was always interested in story telling I had a way to stay open, and they could hear let it sure go through you could make, but you could make you can choose to open it. Yes right, Also, I mean I'd like safer, safer stage fills, maybe I may may because I feel, like I can just be utter- have to worry about how people at a judge me you're, maybe that's it we're or coming in here right there's boundaries, yes, how

like when I like. I went, for example, I regretted kiev less, so you know, and it was pretty and it was a pretty intend situation. I was at a children's hospital- and I remember before that. Just I have friends who your current ukrainian then asked me to go. Okay, and I was like yes I'll do whatever I can to, but I literally flew in like travel. forever? When he's a friend of mine, like what our work on. Yes, it was. It was pretty in tat year and and I knew- and I was bright. I like I, have like a box a teddy bears with me and I went to this hospital. and I remember like before when I was like to not cry. You know, when you go and see these kids don't cry Donna, and I really had to I have to like almost like switch something on so I know

It's not that I'm closing myself off to the world right. It's like! I have protect other people around me and, if I am to open around these, kids yeah. I want a freak someone out. I don't want to be like by making this about her. Do you know copyright mean shares Do I have. I am aware of how I move through the world, but I can also get surprised some. I'm sorry. I don't have that moment of like ok, joe, You know, don't allowed this to affect me too deeply. Ok, by the bye. On some level, those decisions that you make like even around going that hospital or are that's sort of acting in a way is acting in well. Yes, if acting for you is I think that's what I love about actings. I think it's for being about the other person occur, because if it's about like let me be open to you? Let me take you end right, but then you will have to be careful of. I need to take. You know what I was at the I need to take

her view right. I'm not gonna, be here and just be this open heart. That's like the area in like sobbing, because I felt situation right? How am I going to my dear old now is to protect EU and also their kids you got a guy. Can I mean? Can you imagine so yeah there's don't go. Ultimately, I may was a beautiful exe. Brian, and you know I mean it's why the fuck. Do we do this to each other? I don't understand like the like. That violence and wars and finding all a cab like all this. I have trouble Sometimes when we talk about having the world crush you, I have trouble, sometimes even just everyday yeah you just open. found a fuck here- is setting I found that could make us better nicosia. I may I will, and sometimes all avoid it until I fit unify feel like today is not the day to day.

I've had to. I mean how do I do now there, as as upset as I was about rachel matt out, stopping her show was, I may be best for both of us each year, I need a moment to explain the narrative and I'm happy for the information, but I can't it's relentless, relentless and I dunno I know and then so because you're a sensitive person you don't have to like it'll affect you more than it might affect someone else, because it it goes in but for me, like you know like I do comedy and hiking, I'm carbon aggravated guy hyper. You I get. he's talking about it on the package today, for tomorrow the introduction about how I like it. This realization that I might be addicted to like? I worry and panic and a full addressed giving society yes yeah but likes. There was some elements that were I realize like has a lot of worry- is- is waste of time a completely. but the thing is, is that of what your worrying about does in the open?

fast there's a tremor relief there and I realized I think I'm just over a relief at it again. Finally goes well. You like we're will bid that's character. I think, if you think the worst and it doesn't happen, it's fine, but I worry about little shit and its right. But whatever like you know, if you like. What was I worrying about the other day, I worry about. My cats are necessarily I dont, have kids back and worry about it. Sort of o c dish. in a way like I worry about how this was gonna go like I, just I am driven by dread, but it doesn't happen. It's sort of like those great show, but that's what you're working towards like. Can I have that without the panic dread and and and worry, but isn't that in some sense also like why people go on roller coasters sure it's why people do drugs? It's a it's! It's all about that fleeting relief yeah, the sense of like I lived through it, I sure able to get to the other side, but with roller coasters you do get the the the terror of the roller coaster that

Oh man, where your dropping, but then you I got an end of this year and enjoy a high they releases. Doesn't it released something in your everything to ask I don't know so. Ok, so you win the award that and for the euro with the monologue in junior high, okay and and he put his that next to the oscar and er actually put nothing's because we are in the process of renovating and moving and stuff. So nothing's done. But yes, it will absolutely be right next to the oscar, when I'm done renovated arc, more render york yeah. Well, have you ever spirit it's like a fool. I can't do it I'll leave the house before I do that it's I can't I mean I can that's why I moved into this house cause I'm like how long is that gonna take my anxiety, won't allow it for years come on for he had better fuck amazing I mean literally I it's Everyone says that it is be twice as much and ass his law.

I just don't understand how it's actually allowed to be this way. I don't understand how you can say on. Can I will buy this bill of goods via this much money and then they terror something apart and they go oh by the way it's fort What what're you gonna do? What are you gonna do It just sounds, like I remember talking to sounds like how is this allowed to stand, and everyone just says like that's how it done no yeah but wait. How do you become such an amazing you're, so after junior high would he do I when I went to high school, I did a lot of plays in high school. I went to juilliard, I mean I was work. I was a high school dropout annually, in finnish. Now I didn't, but I was that I wasn't you know I I wasn't doing. I was dropping out to do drugs or drink or anything. I was actually not going to school to reach shakespeare and I,

failed p twice. I literally could have cared less. What languages do not create great by I immense I started working in regional leaders and drive me crazy, not graduate highschool. Well, I went back graduating when I got an adult diploma when decided? I wanted to go to juilliard it needed to be a high school graduate. So you do so after high school that it was just. Would you do plays or work or yeah. I worked at a restaurant. I worked at the lucky cafe, which is greasy spoon. You know a greasy diner and I worked at river city cafe in sacramento and acrimony yeah? But then I do. I was fortunate to work like sacra theatre company. I do you did. I played Juliet at theatre works in which is in like palo alto. I think

and the guy who was playing romeo had just been accepted to juilliard the juilliard school, and I was like wait. A minute he's, I don't know that he's that much better than me. Maybe I could go. yeah, it's interesting by like the idea of art. Thou artists is like because, like I think in any town you're in the has any theatre- that when you go even if it's bad there's a humanity to completely- and and feel it immediately, even if it's bad the humanity is that you're, seeing as unintentional. Yes, gus try to try and symbols that even more funding. Why didn't we? They write, plays in movies about them, but art as that kind of human experience like not just standing in front of a painting or something else, overwrought but theatre in. Take your it's! It's there's a vat avatar the two: it no matter. What? Let's move it

moment by moment and it's vulnerable to exactly like, even if they're trying not to be here, I mean there could be a doll that starts. Barking in the middle of the show's drama could forget their line. The light doesn't work, yes, the best yeah it's in all of a sudden you're like you're like I have no idea what this experience of life, how it's going to open to me and that's what theaters like. I heard a story that onstage If some one had to take this piece of paper- and I was like this special contract whatever and its accidently in their hand, it flew to the audience and they went and tina treading if the audience member and they just pretended, they didn't, have it, oh, my god, so then they're on says you're like okay. Let me just try to create something new. as avenue like they're gonna shoot in a big way, something falling into the auditor. Just like you know, like I know, they're my dog came on stage. One saw asked about like ten years ago. He's got three legs and

and he libraries are seen Stuart. Oh, my god, there is no way it was in also he like jingles when he walks, because he hop syria and I could just as I was acting. I heard him jingling, I gotta get drunk hops. We're like yours. was on broadway. My guardian bags, andy with David, strict therein very dramatic, seeing someone open minded. door as Jim. Dj and I was like oh no he's coming this way- he's coming this way, he's gonna be on stage soon jingjing and it just stops, and I hear the audience gasp like he's right next to me: So I say a dramatic adult look down adjusts. I look David, I say alone. I start walking off stage and unlike up full period costume like a who remember when it was the heiress, so says like a long time. And then I hear that I hear the judging judging judging as I'm walking off stage- and I pick them up and I hand into to someone- has a lot of my traffic route

and then I go back on stage. I like finish. The line and David's face was so sweet. It was like hm and I I carried him out for curtain call. So everybody had a good experience. Yeah I mean they were excited the audience when something like that happens for the This is the worst experience of my life for the audiences like I was However, the dog but ok How do you get a junior? I auditioned I mean I was in san francisco at our I I drove to san francisco to audition. It was like you had to have two monologues, a contemporary and dramatic, an ice cream. I did Juliet's gallop pace, which is basically this model- and it's like you, hurry up son and set then the moon will rise and I've just romeo hook? You know climb into my window we're gonna have sex like that's at them. A lot is and in its written fairy, but the languages it like bill

said like minutes quite in my mind, sexual and you never really see it. That way here, I'm exist like come room. Oh, come night come about day right, you know it's like it's like it's quite logical, when the latter coming, and so I performed it like that, and I remember that the the teachers it was they were. It was john sticks, Michael conon list smith, who you know all other generation. Sitting behind a table is like the scene and fly dance, yeah, yeah and I do the monologue- and I remember and I'm like lying on the floor- and I remember Michael Kahn, just kind of looks at me and smiles and he goes did you have fun jessica? I was like yeah I did was like okay. Thank you like that. all right, so I laughed and, as I say, either hate me because I, like you really like, did something crazy. or that was great, and then I got a call back and I came in for the call back and they do not meet.

Anything else, they just interviewed me they're, like what do you know about new york? What do you know about this? yeah. I think they were like this chick is Is he had been right, maybe crazies a little good for act. Maybe I mean it's like you, but what did Robert Wade was how to do it here. So I got a scholarship site, my first two years- and you know it's expensive, too, if you're in new york and go to school, so I had a ton of loans, yellow sally may, whatever student loans and grants, and all this up and then my final two years I got the robin william scholarship, so he would give a scholar, Shep too the need and then also that the teachers would recommend and that pay for everything. My all my schooling, my apartment, flying home for christmas reality. How did you there they decide on you, I mean I've wide forwarder has excellent, no causes it did they give it to a third year Susan and it's the for the third fourth here and it happens at the end of the second year.

in the end of my second year, I played our continent in the cycle and was it was. Were you crazy because the people I've talked to here from juilliard tim blake nelson, like this very competitive, crazy shit and you don't know who's going to get cut or wire. I mean I was more when you talk when you talked about anxiety and worrying my fur. First year I was terrified because on the first person in my family to go to college, it was so expensive. Together, that's glide taken out so many alone You know her at that point. This is what the firemen in your mom yeah here and which, but also their story, going ward oliver. I had two sisters in two brothers younger than me and yet it was. It was very intense and then I just thought like. If they cut me from this programme, all this money is down there to salt. First year I was very I'd like with I'd like tmj. I was so scared that that was gonna happen and then I started a car calm down my second year here now,

baby Javert Jeremy robin I've decided, thing is I, you'd. I run letters to think I'm every year and I was in living and allay you to right. In the kind of the vienna got out of school- and I was talking to someone of arms like an directors meeting it like the fred, siegel cafe or something you'll, restaurant and worth, Well, he was asking me this story about the robin williams, scholarship and all this stuff and then as we're talking robin williams, comes into the restaurants and sits down at a table next to me, other people, yeah and they'd already ordered food systems or cds. Oh my god, he says you have to go over and talk to him. I said: ok, I care well I'm going to Wait till he's done me all at all, be rude and then before the server came to grab the dishes, he's shut up and conor ran out, I think he must have been late for sunday whenever I jumped up to kind of chase them out of the restaurant and was like. No, I don't want that

I see I gotta like I don't that feels inappropriate. No, it's such a regret. Oh, I bet because that was the only chance really I had to meet them, and- and so now I tell people Listen if you. If anyone ever sees me They want to say hi ya, do yeah, you know like it's. Ok, maybe like wait, I'm done eating. If I'm running over us, don't you can run with be should be of a week ago I was crushed. History in new york, and I was in a hurry and someone's like. Oh my god, I was like walk with me until we like walked for ten blocks having a car so yeah all you know I just come over and say hi, because that's a huge regret that I have that. That sure didn't get the chance to thank them in person both yeah. He was a sweet guy, but their whole, that policy of saying hi, it's like you might get some weirdos, but I mean I've I've I've I've been. I was the word over the banana feel. So it's gonna, take a lotta too weird me out. So after Julia. Did you stayed in new york I don t. Also. We were the first class to do an elite showcase losing your

as anyone we know. Michael urie, did you ever watch ugly betty, he's what an actor frankly betty, just slurred use them over teeth. Now it's about that. I note in Tata- oh, I think by the arrogant remit out just a guy, he's my best friend so yeah there's a lot of I've worked with a lot of others. Lotta people, maybe three or four that are still working, yeah, but I was there with an act anthony mac. He was their oscar isaac. Was there so you know screw that long, oh yeah, oscar gonna, I each other for like twenty years. So when you with them. It's like oh yeah, yeah stuff with him in college. Well, the crazy! as we never worked together. College, however, I boyfriend in college was his best friend I got to know Oscar they made their way for a woman- I guess to become friends with a man- is like there never was anything like. Oh are we going to date never had or like? Let's make out one night, we never had that because my boyfriend was his best friend, so it was always just like he was.

Brother, you know- and I write, but I also like heard all the bad behavior. I saw the bad behavior. Well yeah. You got that you know, like you can't tell oscar. I told you this, but yeah or oscar would just tell me you don't even I mean I just saw it on, and so we became like really close and then, when we did scenes from a marriage that was awkward because it was like. Oh, oh yeah yeah we never kissed before it was so weird was a guy was what it was like in the beginning. I don't know how this is gonna work and then Europhiles pals yeah, that's hilarious, but then my Boyfriend why don t you anymore starts all of a sudden texting me and text really. working together joys regarding friend from that long ago. You don't talk to anyone them out really went badly. The winter Oh, my god? Oh yeah, now you got a good relationship, but then that most violent year that movie you did with him. Oh, we did kiss, not sorry we kissed in that seat. I forgot to say I mean we're like, but it was

maiden. Those characters are kind of weird. We cold, I mean we did have a scene. I remember we have seen in that movie where we kiss him in the bathroom. Member thinking that moment, as we had our a kiss- and I remember saying to him: you're a good kisser, oscar just like? I don't know as I that They know they'll, say probably weird, but so yeah, but I completely forgot. Yes, we did kiss that movie before That movie is aware movie, yes, it's burial like a throwback to like a cynical about film, yeah yeah, I like I kept waiting for something I don't know what I thought was going to happen, but a kind of just moves along, and it was one of those movies that, after I was done with them like did I not get that movie you're, like where's all the violence lit the most violent year. I need to see the violin. I love that film though I like, isolate, worked out of the characters. Like I don't know, I don't know I was expecting violence, but it's an odd sort of the whole

those movies like. Why would somebody right this movie in the sense of light back, I was like why that job, why that, like? What was, I think it's if that I think this directive is very interested in american culture? capitalism, as he did, margin call worker. I think his dad works in full. and he can. I grew up in there all year, and so that some especially oscars care there was an immigrant, care are you not? The daughter of some of you. I, like the waiting to be right is how you gonna handle dying idea. He's trying to live an honourable live right possible to do that with american capitalism, and also in that record was an aim like waste cement, oil or gas elite. Yeah is very kind of esoteric strange business here, but I think that it wasn't that heating oil of its still that's very into yeah. You know, like people are stealing the trucks you're right that

the man in the mob? What sort of involved there? Oh? No, I wanted the mob again by cloudy a daughter of yeah. Do you like no we're gonna live on Lee and then at the end of the film you like, I think, he's he's realising that's not the way, higgins, either with industry and then later his work as you showed up in an james grey. movie armageddon time. Yes, I dad trumps Mary and her sister robbery and trump that's funny I love that found its great yeah. He actually james grey, ass music later, oh my gosh I regained, became for india. I love that guided. He said you know he's like it's a you know. It's on one point. or one scene wrong. I didn't even Rita. I said I will do it and I'll do it for free, I gets. Could I and I found out it was kind of like a based on his child, I'm all about like. Oh, I would love to be a part of something that help someone process yeah and tell a story that like is deep to them. So when, like

I don't know what you're schedules you I gotta get out of here. Where do you gotta? Be you? Do a client like a pilot not until tonight? What's out about said, I think on sunday thing diana from a moderate. I think mike shannon and I here, either yeah georgian tammy. So we were going and I think it's your more are music producer, which it's so bad ass, that she's the music producer, because it is spent at the time in nashville. She's worked on a lot of albums. She worked with t bone burnett for a very long time, and it's very you know it's not often you get to work with a female music producer and supervisor in film and television. We kind of brought her ended as she never really done it before those great yes, all its authority. During such a good job, yeah the end yeah. I am, but I mean it's not like. I know you ve talked about a public who S. There is not young women in general? Don't show up in these jobs

much is issued a yak mean they're, not really afforded opportunities. You you know, I mean they to to work side by side or helping. You know successful male producer, but for her you know He bore really supported her. in doing this and I guess so solid cat, oh yeah, he's he's great yeah. He just wasn't there. New dylan thing that he was over The the the re recorded, yeah, yeah, amazing. It is kind of like I want to. I always want to resent these guys that keep producing things. That's like enough. We get it you're, you're we good at what you do, but there are these weird interpretations of his own song and because he's bob Dylan, you gotta be like why choosing knees, what is it? What does this mean at? This point is like a harrogate vineyard, mysterious dude, also like amusant. Now I don't know Its change, since it was I was first brought to my attention, is in a situation, though it's kind of like my

it's looking at society idea of streaming and like this idea of consumption and that he. Is it the situation where it's gonna be auctioned off? It's like one record nor I think while he was doing. I think that there is a documentary alongside that. He they shouted down like a warehouse in santa monica during covert because he couldn't tour, so you guys got together how to know what, where it I'll go, or why? But I just heard I could have- and I don't want to- I give my come again- your native laid the music in the documentary yeah yeah. I think it's implying of the music. I haven't watched it. Yet it's interesting but like he put out that record a couple of years ago and I'm like here's this in ten minutes on on it. It's fine. You know what I mean, but I just I think, and and and we're going to have to look this up because I believe t bone told me rico or maybe a year and a half ago, that is so they re now dylan, where there's a record that there's gotta

often running writers, and it has a certain amount of plays before won't play anymore of sorts like unknown. ty, so yeah. So er, it's like a paint. It's like you know. The person you buy like this is a special thing. You have. It's not like. It'll live forever right yeah, but you can't play it. You can only play it. Times are legit. I don't listen like. I should know more about this. This right It's not your job, so saying all the time, easter, yes, everything in the shoah. Ninety five percent of what's on the show, is us singing onset and then there is also going to be a vinyl which is not a sunset. It's like a bore, finished version that was done him studio and this woman who did the music producing? Yes, rachel yeah like what was her task base. Is it was so intense and I'm so she was in charge of all of us, so she we word or together, we did all the studio. Singing work with the banned, all the guys in the series arb actual session players from national.

In what she would do. This is this is beyond what I really thought I ever wanted to do in my life, and I will never do it again, but that the MIKE's our hearts so you get on stage to do this. You have hundreds of extra as we do one take. they're putting the music through We think that the extra hear your voice, local, an right, you're, the music right than for every take from then on. We had an ear wig and our ear that played the music and the only sound in the room was called vocal, big it likes like when you stand by your man or something like that's, not what I really want to happen in front of people. It is like. Ok, I'm innocent when I do this for ten hours today,. I'm sure maybe will hopefully will get a take the issues of war here, but that means also there's gonna be a lot of times. You know I'm not like you have agar my Are you and others got it's embarrassing like just like when you shooting a senior and if we get lines you to do something so it was. It was quite stressful

and the audience was was very sweet, very kind has, but rachel was in charge of all that shit get the clean vocal, which meant she couldn't have music with that sure yeah that that element of embarrassment Jesus, that's problem why the kid and junior high that was like I'm an embarrassed myself through transcended it yeah you got, I gotta be willing. There's gotta be some sense of our work in it about some there's. The pacino sis, deniro decoration, who are you. what it's weird I like them for two different reasons and K. One of the two reasons I think that out, but is still capable of taking risks. And I think Robert de niro kind of settled into something and what I think and I guess I mean they're both sure not great yeah yeah, what I

for em, so interested in with acting as someone who is willing to humiliate themselves. Yes, you know that that's potatoes. Definitely, you know you're. When someone you see someone like even with dog the afternoon here done around so ragnarok. They can you urgent, he's us actor whose like, under this huge thing now, because the godfather and he's like, I wanna, play a man is robbing a bank to pay for a section operation for my boyfriend. Yeah said at that time. No one thought that was a good idea you're right and you, like you, know what I am willing to put myself out. There is an artist and it's ok, Don't think I'm a man enough for they don't think I'm this enough, and that's what's interesting to me think he still does it. I think. Like you know, there was a couple of those hbo bio things. Oh yeah he's gone. turkey. In that thing, that's amazing. All my guy amazing and you know the phil spectre thing was okay but like I really feel that with him that like,

for years. He kind of guy this zone, I saw him, do american buffalo boston, oh wow, shortly after he did scarface, I swear he restored little cuban. He hadn't quite shaken the tony montana, yeah there's a little. What's the audience like loving it, though yeah I dunno that needs doing on purpose by my little tony montana. It was okay for that character, but then he got into that. Like hoo hah like there was this thing that, like start to worry about him because a lot of the old method guys they just become a collection of cakes and happy so they can rely on right. You know saying no to them are sub directing them we are, but but both of them, like surprisingly, like oddly, that movie that Deniro did with and half away the indian earn he's really good and he's got commentaries buddies worries that where universities, but it wasn't broad comedy- was an older guy that you know it was experiencing your grief

and you know in wanting to get and help this woman you any used work in the building right, so it's like its comedy by he's playing a sort of sweet. You know kind of a heavy hearted guy. He can still do that. Oh totally, but like but pacino you're like well. What's going to happen, you have no idea he's just willing to work with him right. He's start? My will career really really. It was was because you know I had done the church its michel treatment vacant earlier, our tartar. I love her on the ashes gray eyes. Doing. I was actually in Julia visiting them and I got a call that Al Pacino wanted me to audition for salami. I was like what: how was that impossible and so I went into audition for salami from the moment I walked in Jeremy. Strong was my reader a while, yet which is crazy, because we are both like these friends. We were friends who are struggling actors and and we started the beginning of the play, might or sell me entrance, and I start, and I could hear him in the audience- go wow.

It's amazing, like all this as I would have you know. Well, wow and as I was acting, I was like this is not only was the first time I was like. Oh, my gosh is the first person to really take me seriously. but it's I'll, Regina yeasts. He started my whole career differential? Oh yeah, he came to see me in a doll's house. He goes oh you're, like my daughter. Oh I'm so proud of you, it's so sweet and then a friend of mine in the show was so excited to meet him and because over to make us yo that voice, you jack so well. Boyfriend would like he only talked about my projection, that's funny, where he's probably being too sensitive. it's almost like listen. I wouldn't have said anything to you if he didn't like what you were doing. So what do you what's going on? What are you working on now? Oh gosh. I just finished the play on saturday, of course, because there's the strike or you can't do it

were taken up. There's a holding pattern for a while, but I'm gonna be doing when rob you know ready, odin gonna go. Do many series called the savant I have another minute you have found with me. Shall franco, whose an amazing director in mixing filmmaker here, so anymore shakespeare. I would love to you I love shakespeare. I mean it's trusting. I might do now I I've done this play I'm like! Maybe I'll go back and do have a play every couple of years in new york. Why not? Why not right like you, I love it, so I think maybe in twenty one Finally, something else also dolls house, as the game funded to or that a little bit next year, and we take it to do by if a lead us back Interesting right, I don't know what's in dubai, why do by? He's gonna be fine today to have a pay worthy. Your harsher I like to be a little provokingly. I wired artificially fit, but I'd be amazing. You know

it was great talking to you all. Thank you so much so good to talk to you and I'm so glad I did not to use the hammer the unknowns, how to use a traitor and also the fact that the handle is like it's it's it's shaved down to like a broken hammer, and I think it comes from my like some part of my past I don't know where I like it. I didn't own that hammer when it was hole like showed up somewhere, and I thought what a weird thing I dont know why it is stated in my life and you said it right in front of your gas, the idea of a really think about being made. sense in the elder, in the old studio, there was so much clutter, so much of my life was everywhere, but when I set this desk up in here, I'm like why want to put some of the stuff that was in the works, but benin in this more kind of this environment, which is in cluttered it? It's a little odd! Everything takes nowadays with this huge knife that I that was left in my old department by a woman who is sub letting it who had a boyfriend neglected nice, oh well, so I did

with the backstory and some of this stuff, the top of that came with it's kind of like a rainbow. I got these on a beach in in quite some weird, it's like it's pieces of metal, and you know it. This is a record before they smush it yeah the vinyl, that's a vinyl before they smush it. I think that's a I dunno. What is it? Is it the trees of barcelona? Super super super chunk. Super super chunk record you got the this. Is I remember, I remember my that's a very hard one. Yet this is like youtube. I dunno if anyone what these are called, but it's the thing that you squeezing your hands and all the eighties movies, where you see the the exercising the rest of the muscles yeah yeah, yeah yeah, there's somebody made for me for I love my leg. Is that all right? Well, have fun, say hi to Michael shannon for my wealthier tonight, good,

and okay, there you go hot wait, isn't she the best? I never know what to expect and I and I really had a hard time all the way through just realizing. Like others, the person she's an actress into very nice anyway. She's many for outstanding actors, actress in a limited or anthology series or movie at this year's emmy words and also in case you weren't following this at the time it happened just get sent me an email confirmation that the- change with Ben kingsley actually happen. I saw with my own eyes people. She just wanted to set the record straight on that numb doing, for you now. I have for a minute. If you didn't notice, I popped up on last week's friday. Show Brendan taught me about the montreal screw job and I shared some examples of comedy screw jobs is one story that I always liked it's the other story.

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