A guy. all right. Let's do this. How are you at the fuckers what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nix? What the fuck are? We still see what happening what is happening. I mark mare- and this is my podcast- w e f- welcome to it. How's it goin, and where we act, Clifton Collins junior is my guest today oh look, you'll know him. If you look about up, him has been in a lotta movies, traffic capacity, west world civic rim nightmare alley, the guy is like a would yet. And working character, actor who I've always like, I think, he's an incredible actor engaged by him, but you This movie that I saw called jockey and

sort of what made me want to talk to him. I don't know how or why I saw, but I watched it it's about a jockey and we look them on that and then the day he was coming over he a bike accident injured and now he's here anyway ten sky with an interesting story that goes way back in hollywood. Glorious days of hollywood. It's a very strange about old. Hollywood. You know my my girlfriend kit. in an old hollywood building, and and and one of my favorite how he would historians, mr cliff nestor off happens to live in the same building, which I didn't know and we make sense its pick. Your area of of of hollywood of l, a really is probably the most old how he would wish of the old, how you woods and their use be a whole bunch of people that were kind of obsessed with old hollywood. He and I was kind of halfway there, but it seems to me

a dying, nerd ism there think there was a very specific nerd ism that revolved around old high. Would oh how we would all hollywood movies and, and it doesn't seem to be as many is there used to be, but it is kind fascinating the way that the word how he would is thrown around today. It's it never indicate, anything good. On either side, oddly better, but you know the birth, this business of show business and the creation of solution factory and dream machine and you know this sort of like our Mystic haven is fascinating and I I don't know you know either all gonna, be gone, no one's gonna. No one's one can eventually care anymore, but it's pretty fascinating. That was sort of what was fascinating. Talking to Clifton because he sort of comes from it, but in a way specific way. It was a very interesting conversation night and I like the guy

for those of you in a way here? I'm largo this saturday, I'm doing the mark as friends over to do music and comedy, the band is playing big nice lineup of songs and I'm going to attempt to try. We ve got the comedy of willie Simon and We colbert the band and going to try to we're. Do we seem to be in a zone right now, I'm going to attempt to I saw by the velvet underground- it's not as known as are other ones called. I guess I'm falling in love. Do he stopped love, today, which I'm very nervous rather georgia, joan song, which you shouldn't even attempt bergen. Do it well your credence to morgan do up around the bend, because at that song ma then almost any other song seared itself into my brain when I was a very young guy, probably seven or eight, maybe in the basement, with my pair old iowa cosette player that detachable speakers in a box of cosette

apes? If they didn't use any mark? Is it moved on the real to real and records ups. errors, and I had that boxer records man and cosmos. After he was in their body gentry greatest hits within their job cash live at san Quentin. That was in that box jerry veils greatest heads, but man that opening riff of on the band seared its way into my deepest consciousness, and I still voted I don't know if I can now that river actual gonna play together me and jason boarding to try that song we're gonna do before you accuse me I'd like to think we're doing the boat? Did we version or the credence version? Not the erika, immersion, but he sort of canada. That song on his unplugged. But it's a great song, we're gonna write. prize is how he say: we're going to war. Frat again my favorite grateful that song well I journey the reason we're gonna do that's on his good work, I drummer ned, got this

and to learn it. He was like. I thought it was the most boring thing I ever heard and for some reason, when we played it, he was like, oh my god, that was wild light. We got out there, it's like a portal into a psychedelic zone, which is the debt is but for some reason that song in my mind- and in my heart Is that and when we play it, he did it too. So we're gonna try. It again will probably do no fun by the stooges, and then we it open with a risk that we pull from us this close on, I don't think so. this? Are we gonna do a boost because what I am. I guess I may An older man. Who's got a bunch of guys both were doing cool songs, but you gotta. You know gastro whose german don't ya don't share, and I think something's happened recently that nothing of happy about It's happened a couple of times. I think I've crossed some threshold as

I transition into a an older man here then I'm not unhappy about like I did I told you I did hijackers podcast and then somebody had treated something that they said I have seen many such a character and I was like finally. Finally, I am a character. That means I am, I have definition then I don't know we see myself, but I guess I could get something to do with age and something to do with being more sorted at home. In my skin and more something to do and as they do with me, being unavoidably me which think I've noticed before, or I don't think I ever was, but it seems sort of settled in because, or griffin, the other at the comedy store. He said he was like huge, you should do a hosted. Talk, show like on tv, here are some men might know that no one does any more and more good, but he's like, but you you you're just such a character and, unlike oh my god, that's twice that

twice in like a week in part. He's really kind of way. Why am I have? Is a fine, they happened. Am I find a character, I hope so, I've been waiting to be a character, my entire life and be a tier. Maybe I'm at the right age, for this is where you move into your character years beginning my character years, I mentioned I'm back dynasty typewriter enjoy eleventh eighteen and twenty fifth. Those are all tuesdays, You can go to of pod dot com for tickets. For those so look again: Clifton Collins, Jr was supposed to be your wife back, but it was delayed booking because of the bike accident that he literally had on the day he was supposed to come over and when he we came over, we got in it and it's quite a story and he's quite an actor. So this is me talking

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streaming now only on peacock. Where did I see life without making your face add, who houdini's house oh right for that, with what will we do in there? It was an event was celebrated in words a network, did it right? Was it it for film? Was it not yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah and I was I was doing press for jockey at the time, I feel like it was a party for a couple of movies under one feels like air is a video What it was like he has one, it was pretty fun at the house was kind awhile. I love it ass, you do We've had a couple party yeah. I mean not me personally, I've I have oh yeah

it seems a little worn down. You're a caf, a museum have an event like an event hall. You'll have things just the way they set that one up yeah the one I went to before was actually, I think, a birthday party, so it felt much more intimate, oh right right, so it felt like a house party- okay, because you can kind of wander around and there's rooms that look like museum rooms almost like houdini room It is also a well worn down. Yeoman places or hotels or play are cool places, are cool, beginning, but then too many weddings happen. He ascended to take the soul at the place. It really does weddings just so the energy out, how how'd you get fucked up like this body. Might Mr cartoon guy got me back into be a mixed bikes.

Who were red flags and Mr Karas god, meeting to be matched by an invite up up up nor carry a third should have been. It gets worse from there we go there. We think those jumping cars or do some crazy, and I was not that. Sadly, I I just at night women end, though I just just ploughed in front of my my driveway got good going to the general. They just go nice little low copy by Adam, I read lying there too. The gene, which is only two blocks, not I feel like a dog they drive and a national level agreement on a lonely logs. Like ireland, we read the red light and I went up to create care frisley everything and I stood up like you, did like a teenager here and then that has its freestyle bike as it here to go with the speed bob. It wasn't quite over the ninety degree angle and went backwards and I was standing So where does gig out straight to the board you break? It was a crack. The bone,

One question of egg: I wouldn't look at the x ray, go away. My arm, cracked, the legally wasn't torrent, reacting to limit or the probe the well yeah it stuck to itself. But it's in place right now, it's all healing and I'm really a mega brace but yeah. We expect to we're hoping to get her to be completely back to walking yeah by the fourteen year. Very go! Don't don't don't do anything we're dumb in at a certain age. Thank you yeah. I mean I I hike and stuff, but I see guys up there like lately cause I'll run down the hill. You know, but, like you start really so you're very fragile. You get you're gonna break a hip. You know it's a joke, but we're were at the hip break.

The point now I am anyways. I don't know how old you are. I'm fifty I'll be fifty three in june, so we're we're in hip breaking zone, but but even go back even before think about like when I did tiger language schumacher, Colin Farrell. First summit yeah, I was the oldest guy. I've looked the youngest whole family's like on the mexican side yeah and out as doing the bootcamp. I knew I had to do boo game. I'd already done boot camp for dead presidents, yeah sounds like Hell. I can't look like an old guy. I am the oldest lemme start pre boot camp at home, yeah, so gone hiking high in griffith park and all these other places we had twenty pounds on my back. Oh really- and next you know, like you, said, I'm starting to injure myself, cause I'm pushing myself, not I'm not a can't trainer, I'm just doing things. I know I did and boot camp. So I had to go back to my therapist in tight me up before. Actually, the real black hair path. If terrorism is in reality, a trainer of physical therapy area, so Europe

You ve always been sort of an immersive actor yeah. You do the whole thing yeah. You do your stand, sometimes not all that all the tire. Damn damn near me, I'm I'm I'm not gonna lamp. Pretty good. yeah. I've been martial. Arts dissolve like forty year, so fighting the natural I started my time: nineteen, eighty seven really yeah before people new white. I was yes for from taiwan to american freestyle, retie, all kinds of weapon and chuckled staff bow star. You can do it. The stars are throwing stars a belly song if you had a belly celebrate so not even sure. I know what that is. The throwing stars I know throwing stars are because I remember kung, fu yeah and as a little kid all with David carradine, sure sure. If the the bally saw a butterfly knives, oh yeah, oh yeah yeah, you can do that. Oh, my god, yeah new chucks yeah numb check oh yeah yeah gun, so once you how come

Have you done a major martial arts movies? I've been wanting to relaunch, get really close on if you never get it and now buddy no share in the eu are not well at times run allowed for the martial arts interest. You know that a few mirrors recently talk to me about not doing my stuff. Just one can allegedly random sam jackson here, where's your pals is he's father figure me really is a dear dear yeah he's the closet Sudan will how'd. You were like how'd. You meet him like which move I did when I sat and would Kevin Reynolds. You want these guys were year, put your, u no real character actor and you ve done a million movies. so everybody sorting nosey like a little different, I profiling

yeah a little bit yeah I mean, but I mean, but people must come after you all the time, like I you're you're that guy that gets nine out of ten times. It's like you that scary guy right. Well, you can tell by the look in the array which movie they know either very respectful that I don't get like. I was, I forget when they were mila kunis and I were going to get some coffee when we were walking and talking shop and stuff and she's got the crazy fans cause he reached over the area. It was the round that time and then my as we always very respect when oftentimes like your ex convict or been fuckers from what? What movies do you think it was that case it's usually like the one, eight seven triple nines or the crank to write or through all the numbers. In the title, there are yeah a level where they're they're, pretty the just the more violent dirty about. When I played a it, was a rampart police candle. Okay that'll do with cuba gooding yeah yeah. So it's such a big in vast career you ve got going there, but so, but SAM jack,

and so so you. This is a movie it, as you know, it's very rare to shoot in sequence, meaning from beginning to end. Like page one to the earth is one in seven years, and this we shall sequence here. So we had a two weeks of rehearsal arms. You get to grow as not only as as actors and his friends, but you get to go as the character in the film and jury here and then by the very end like having two days before the big finale anywhere worry. We ve got guns door here plan we had to bury my father to outside your decades. often a closet. So at home so to have a gun to your head. Two days after you buried him is very surreal, the thing and you're going toe to toe with somebody admire respect, look up to action. Learning from as much as your hand, I mean I stop smoking weed for that film yeah on day five a rehearsal. He gave me a spanking that I grab bob and I cleaned it out with four twenty nine puff

water and I went and bought flowers at the gas station how's. It gotta love you, but for the next three months you are now a vase and I put it on top of my fridge with flowers and stayed there until the end. Wickersham told you not to not at all. I just saw how bad as he was he he knows everybody's lying there. He reads the script three times. He knows everything a camera moving everywhere and on so he pays them four days, a rehearsal here on the fifth day of rehearsal, was the big finale and the monologues. The original model monologues were even bigger than what ended up in the move, and I Samuel, just sit there and look at we. His head down. He wasn't. I could tell he for the first time I was looking at me like wow, he's not paying attention anybody like just looking down at this cretinous, okay. Well, I've got a three fifty seven as a cms is one eight one,

it's all clear and he was looking at me. Yeah he's totally ignore me here and it's it's this cycle yeah. What was going on so I was like I say: okay, I said: are abroad. What's clean as eclac. I closed it spin I got you hold the sides in your hands, your fallen through his rehearsal, yeah, yeah and then samuel and then Kevin goes You guys ready and the same goes pitted decided to throw them on the floor. He goes. Yeah man. I was like oh fuck, I'm holding my sides and my little effort and three fifty seven like a little girl, yeah, I'm just like. Oh okay, you got bigger speeches than meebo. Okay, then I'm like oh hey, mister, je Da Da, and he just goes. I was major in his eyes like seeing samuel, control this I in this I from crime, how you can drop one to your too yours. I swear to god. I ask yourself, others have John barrymore, could do it us and said jessica, John harry more out of use ape reference year at but come from deep roots xo

yeah. A salmon would clearly holding the tears in an hour so captivated mesmerized like this one. I apologise for breaking into this. I'm so sorry here. I'm sorry she I didn't mean to be a best dude. It does not what the dialogue says. So I just stick to the dialogue, but also I wanted to step out and just watch the motherfucker act. I was like holy shit. This is magic yeah! Oh I'm like boon. It, was over like five pages married and then cameras are I'd magazine. Would you think I said when he went away? daphne cabotage does. He would happen there. It should be up Let me warn you: aren't you can't pleased as they like to keep? Please just give me five I am ten minutes. Ten will be great before that before he went to action. That was just what this is just rehearsal: yeah, we're not even on warner brothers, yet a really little room yeah. This is dave I've, a rehearsal and I'm just like you. Ok, please can we just please go outside use, as it does look. I note rehearsals, but I'm not comp

I can tell you right now that will be by his side in this scene. Today is not here I'll, be happy just to see the bottom of his soles, as he runs way ahead of me, but at least we'll get some work done right, because this is just making me go I mean clean my bong. It turn into a vase cause. I need three extra brain cells- five, ten one I don't care yeah. I just like I dunno how many extra brain cells I'll take one if it's one I'll take it. So build the relationship. How did Samuel handle the situation arising, other diy, was hey by make one phone call take care with you, ve really yeah in terms of It got like a funeral, a funeral burial and he was a veteran, so he had a veterans war and I felt that I I had to try to be a man and handle this Clifton called a junior year, even though, at that time I was I had, I was carrying my grandfather's name for film consoles. and alice double Gonzales user. So bill What was your relationship with your father? At that point,

till the time I haven't been speaking time for probably three and a half for months. Yeah, my sister, and I would alternate yet cause he wasn't julia, but he was an alcoholic when I'd gotten this rule I had to like like three or four calls. actually knew he had to call back and you get another call back like when we got him. That was close. You get another comic when another callback, you know like a four- think this is ridiculous. It must be down to me and one other guy or something you just don't know, and then I finally told my dad that I'd gone. He goes and he was depressed. He was like. Oh that's, nothing, son, it's it's! It's you know what I'm like data were so hard for this like a leader, but this is sam jackson are coming off poppies. I don't know who that is and they're like yabbies. You just sit there and watch cause yeah. That is just that. not concerned at all. Really. I was like I. I can't have this negative. input so Harvard no. This is my lifeless for I love to do, but it was at your whole life.

Im in notting hill, just this particular film. I think his own personal life was in and he was just can't get into a depressed stage. What was your? What was your, but you now a his father, that was the actor No! No. That was my mother. Your dad was like he was collins, senior, ok and but your whole life. He was just a boozer. Only africa where's, your parents together they were together He left when I was eight years old. That was my that's the earliest childhood memory I have. Is him leaving really yeah use a traumatic episode, the earliest trauma that you have shown horse yeah an end by you, but youth in touch with them all year round. He was here. we went to prison for year. Fur manslaughter was manslaughter. Why did a year for manslaughter that seem like a long time to do from answering his weight the seventies recovered yeah yeah. I did

was that about aids, drugs, the duty guilders rich used, my back My dad was not eleven trailer work really analogies iq using sanely smart. Very I was he squandered it. What it! Where does he come from? He came from around here. You grew up here. Yeah cover city colors waited cover high with my ha yet my grand, my grandparents were probably in all honesty by the first mate against inland in culver city, because it was against the law for mexicans to own a land in us. I think up until sixty eight. So if your mom's family yeah and I'm John wayne helped them work that loophole, you always got to go to the higher ups to to John what you gotta go to John wayne, that's you know doesn't get much higher than that. Do I do next, you know duke makes a call and they see no. My grandpa owns the whole blog, a house across the street, a house across the street, an apartment complex, that veterans park really yeah yeah the apartment complex. He he owned a home and his whole blog had apartments that he owned and the

for garages that were meant for the apartments he just filled with old cars, really he loved where you get hogarth, so your mom, his dad was like a character actor as well. A you know, a studio guy he's like a legitimate vaudevillian one of the first studio. He was the first. I think when, as a studio players latino right, Your mom get wet rate tied up with euro dad cover. I also they were school sweetheart and all to get out of the house. He had to get married and now though she got married when she was a kid she was she the one to get the fuck out of the house. She was I got in and she confessed like. Honestly part of it was like I just want to get out. The house or my lead doesn't help me how old? How old was she when she had you? I think twenty five okay my dad's little younger here? I just a boozy narrow do well. He

he was just a real smart. He he was boozy drank a bunch yeah yeah I mean there are. There are days where he'd come to pick us up on a saturday morning. Just be ship plowed, my grandma Like now kid you're, not managua the kids really oh yeah micro, let my he pulled over to block in a residential neighborhood in the seventies for not wearing a seatbelt, z. No, you gotta be driving squarely in a residential area, although in the seventies yeah. What did he do? for jobs as pretty each port in the printing? pretty industry here, but pretty soon but then he learned at a word, Amelia jeez accuse you learn how to work the system and veteran benefits and all this other stuff, but then he would help people the trailer park. their issues, and I I feel like you. The stronger purpose. Whenever you helping other peoria good. His funeral elderly people come up to me. Go It helped me with this. He helped me with doubt of the pay they were trying to take. My land are trying to take my trailer they're. Trying to this. Your dad helped me get some money and I was like wow. He helped

do very was in college educator right now, huh, just new number it is either knew how to work a lot of things: whereof, yes, now that we know that that ties in the jockey cars, that ending speech and jockey is very much my childhood with him, because on those weakens that he did show up to pick, so, could he, as he just wouldn't, show up or leave us at a greenhouse? So there's like one two three times I'd say he wouldn't show up yeah. So often ties my weekend would be just that gone across the street to the liquor story. picking up racing forms. He taught me how to pick the horses. The away condition is jockey this meet me all that when you're, how old nine, so you knew that shit had into that movie. It was in your blood, yeah baby. You won't, you weren't a jockey, but you understood the way. That was on jockeys, oh yeah, oh yeah letter, one hundred,

here, so he would get a couple things. A booze he'd meet his other trailer park, friends via various trailer park and indeed walked all who would park and good and evil, and we want that was ike yeah and him getting plowed with his friends while I'm gambling on a whereas trying to win money cause, I really need do at nine years. Oh yeah how'd, you do how'd, he do. Is he good at it? I get it yeah I would. I was the one gig in the horse yeah. Oh, he taught me how to read the the program that he was just busy triggered. As for the ride, you'd bet a couple of things, but yet I remember I knew when he would win, because we would have a good christmas, my sister and get Maria yeah, and I think that was like one time. You know the horses is such a classic. You know the debauchery, you know it's a classic gambling like the guys who, like you know they go to the horses. I don't have the gambling thing, I don't either, but I wish I did because guys you like or like on the horse. They love it, but I mean it.

Raised her life, but they love it. Yeah go spend the day the horse. can I gotta tell you another phoenix it it of Paradise. It's really interesting when you're shooting the movie for sure it is a live track. Yes, we were shooting when there was real races going on oh yeah, and when you get into the vip room air it was like, while you guys spent all your might be in the sphere. vegas minus the hot girl, does and minus the optimist. Of winning, does is very drab and the dismal where you just feel like the drowsy humanity like later in the evening for the last rays, you got the hard core gamblers, a gamble around the world on a tv, the area of energy. So it's there's no real dude, it's very like not a fun atmosphere. Oh my god! It was like her yeah, it's a it's a sickness dude but but that movie was great I mean I. I really thought it was a great thank you better, and I thought it was deep in thought. Like you did likes, it looks like you did some fuckin real work. I got drunk to one forty three, you wrote that movie,

I wrote the pieces of eta. I said every morning you did rewrite the director and that that whole monologue at the end, I wrote that more and more the right from your dad Well, it's because we were very consistent in the rewrite and the changes that we would do up until the very end like it was and I was anxious like like We'Re- gives rewrite like we ve been talking about this and it funny. I get it and it was very different, ending no man alive area. It was both of us lose in and both of us- fiona knots on the yeah yeah, just washing it in silence like that so anticlimactic, but didn't build the film for an anticlimax. That's a very mechanical thing that, and it's hard to pull off. You gotta, be like a petro volpi or something like that. The ending now is like a passing of the baton, kind of like a marie and that whole speech you, like, I rode six different version that speech and six thirty in the sixth early morning, like eight fifteen, a m

and they're like. Oh, my god. We take these. I got photos created, they love it when they, it all over the floor of the non just like mad scientists like oh yeah, good, this guy, some shit morris. So so they took, can potato please just take it, take it in and out of that, the carved out they took pieces and he put it into the monologue, and I read and I'm like. Oh all, this pays off in work that lets us go shoot and have a great day It was one those movies words tight, its specific you know it's him. It's a movie about aging and about despair in a way about, like you know whether a life was wasted or not, and then there's open and there is internet, you know, but but to do it? world, which is such an odd world to be a jockey. You know, did you do? Did you go meet with jockeys? Get allowed it every day with them. Every day I told my are those real jackie's, not really all of them there. He added Moses areas whose amazing played my son he's a job

No, no he's a fantastic gag yeah yeah a bunch of stuff yeah. It seems he was real good year in my main girl, but everybody else was either if they were all from the track yeah. So I ate so that still day one and I'll end and end. This is my second phone with greg and clint yeah. We did a trance pecos with one it's a worthy, I south west, so very new high flown and how it did rewrite the right. What they expect. This is director in the producer. Yes, sir yeah and great quito directed that one year, clint bentley produced. Yana on jockey, they switched roles right in Clinton directed in great produced here outside told told, so they knew I'd want to be their early, such as to where all they knew I'd want to hang out, and we did it like a court. Would marry a dingy place, which is perfect. You don't want to stay to foresee that just doesn't fit with the no. No you don't also budget wise,

Although he actually had three hundred and fifty grand for this movie and stay at the marriott courtyard you can frame it. However, you want, but we're not paying for the other one pretty much, and then I wouldn't want to stay. There sure and I drove out there from l a to phoenix yeah yeah and it brought my clothes use. The indy bring your clothes and all this stuff, so I brought all the stuff out, and I told the I told the jobs it. Let me know you guys are probably fans of some starfleet stuffy! I don't want to. as be shy, I'm here, Hope you guys, you need a shovel ship wash your horse or anything. You guys need me to do. I'm going to be picking up game and hanging out. Is this the first time like you're, actively around horses, know westworld I did. I did a pilot, well, a jockey out a cartel, the owner and I owned up my own jog. You, my horse, ear, nose, throat. Breyer. Now ours took off on me, yeah yeah, those are for movies a it was a pilot that never got picked up.

But so all right. So you tell these jockeys. You know I'm anime of you. What what whatever I need and what they, what they make you do any shoveling shit, pretty quick. No, I think they were. I just wanted the whole. I just didn't, want to be viewed as a an actor and want to be viewed as a like, a friend and an employee or partners, or and and I'm there to help them yeah and- and if you want to hear some stories about a movie, please ask I'd love to share, don't be shy about anita day. Yeah. Absolutely absolutely when they want to hear about it. Ain't boondocks, it was a good one. Crank too was a good one came when I remembered the most its traffic to hammering I am I to foment That's heavy man, Frankie flowers, the guy, ass in an area. He was not happy the apathy, I am not gay rigour, it was like you know, crazy character, and you know when they beat you down it. The way you play that was so devastating

it was. I remember the eighty coming to my trailer, Mr Collins are getting ready to shoot the scene. I said yes, I am aware thank you. He had he want to do, and this is where the ministers would you want to wear as it were. The scene seat here says naked in a chair right, we'll still Stephen wants to know what you wanna wear. Unlike the scene says I am naked in the chair. Will do you want a thong? You want to know it's a soderbergh to be naked yeah. I want to be naked. I might know this isn't not afraid. You know this isn't magic micro disease. Am I let's, let's make this right? Yeah yeah. He did it yeah. It was funny cause. My manager called me like two weeks later decide a nudity waiver yeah and then, when he found from Dogen, I had already signed it without him. Looking at it or being salt gets fucked, soderbergh yeah. Of course, I'm going to say I don't care, that's think says you gotta do it. I just want to do it's like you're gonna have to stop me from not doing it. Unless Steven has his reasons, then I'll, listen to him. You respect that guy. I love him. I love and respect him. I eat wherever, if you want to.

Me too, while there's a reason for the area of animal go right into a euro feel that about all director, no sir I didn't do anything Do you want to be in this scene for tiger land? I'm like no. I've got a cry in the next scene, so I'd like to go back to bed other guys as their first film, so they've got to pay their dues into the shower scene. The unwritten shower scene at tiger lane cause if vietnam people that we take showers, that's the whole thing about vietnam, yeah yeah. So as I hear the showers, the numbers evan cause I like, because it was really so cold and camp blanding florida here and had a heavy heavy seas. You know you like you'd kind of psych yourself out. You go to these places and then I'm like whoa unfair and all these other cats have to do this in an hour, in a second ike wrath and gear that place we're gonna, hear of fuck em like a man, god here, because he private,

I don't like Mitre is it you want to be in the scene like do I want to be in the scene of a sleeping brother, get his fucking bigger, or are we on my scene right now, the one where breakdowns are like? No? No? No! No! No! No! It's just a senior decided to add. Like a scene, then decide. Is it a shower scene? Will all love your call. Girls do doing it in so doing it right, but they have to. I don't. I auditioned for this film. I I know I have a big scene camera. I need to focus for absolutely not. Please don't ever knock on my door for any additional scenes of the sort that in that within what are you a tribute that to achieve will hit the the adding scenes and expecting you to do it is that a director decision that who knows I mean you keep your mind, can wander wherever you want to and I'm sure we could all fit yeah. But although I

I adored joy had fun working with them and boat, but with jockey this was sort of a passion project. Yes, without a doubt, and also clint bentley, and I and grey queer eye they're like brothers to me. I love very much or they they've got so much respect for craft here and there it's amazing, open hearted, a generous. labourers. And it did well at the festivals right yeah, I gotta by one best actors sundance that got nominate for independent spirit, but no from the oscars know nothing from the oscars. We were hoping for that and they were optimistic at a point, but did they pay for any juice and you gotta pay for the juice? Does? Doesn't it I'm learning I'm learning this after thirty years, except for that movie, I was in with the andrea riseborough. Where you know her friends just got on board as well as the yeah. So she reminded me of my dad

yeah. No, I swear to god lesson that leslie lizzie had such beautiful nuances and takes here watch and ignore oki either one you were you with fear recur, we're addict or two. You have a relative that was an alcoholic or three. You went to a new studied people. There were some beautiful I I was just like. I was kind of jealous the article as it's a good choice like rg, come up with good right he's insane in it. But yes so, and you saw the hoopla that came from the browser- is not backed by giant studio rights or any or a big, consulting firm or any sort of it just felicity. You know it just like I think, that's gonna happen warner. I think so do it just feels. I started this. The scene with the kurds open a little better, what you seems like if you can figure out whatever do by by whatever means necessary rally. People to your be that the big promises to much shit, and no which is why shit and these consultants and purposes just forced to shit on the pipe and

he bore. I gotta see it, but it must be good because I like her whatever, but then somehow or another. She rallied people to watch the movie. Yes, you act forget about our mesmerized. I would impose bryce their literally again, she remind me like that. I'd like to have those, because you can do. Usual drunk drunk thing, there's been drunk throughout, you know she can do any of the usual drunken now exactly that's what makes it so mesmerized. While there is viewed because, like that, you know when you at that level of alcoholism, you knock em jago yeah. Maybe you know you, you know you just different zone even adapted to most of it, but sit at a minor shift? Yes right? Yes, yes, you fuck do but like in so What happened with jockey? Did you get mad? Now, I'm not gonna get mad. It's funny. I had this conversation with with samuel and on he's your council, pretty much easier and I go to, and I said analyzed

I was just happen to have a seat at the table. Truth told air like this independent beer towards rightly If people see the fucking movie, that's your thing. It's like that's the weird thing like even like, as talking to TIM, blake nelson, he loved him. Yeah you've worked with him for a year with movies. nightmare alley: oh yeah yeah and then I I wanted to do the western with them, because party was a friend of mine and when he came out, oh man, I'd love to do this, which one Yes? But I know party no posse from the karate party, the director, okay from the country music, world, okay, cause, I directed a chicken fried for Zac brown, and we want to see him to your word or your video director yeah, and that's where I met as my first met. this week stayed in touch either at my house, and he called me to tell me about this film. Then we got TIM blake, I'm like oh fuck. I mean timberlake's beast. He is he's a beast he's friggin insanely, talented Yes, a billiard and a good deal. You're very good. Do you watch me you're just captivated instantly a were so leave work. in big directors, man, why you, sir,

go out in a router then allowed him yeah babble, yeah, that'll movies, another one like between traffic and babble, those big pieces without Another piece I rewrote to you did I did cause. I guess I remember when he called me. I was doing this indie in louisiana called little shinier yeah and I was playing cajun as played the agency and the south values dear yeah, he called me. I had talked him on a form and an arm he calls me in his speech. I love you for this role and is based on it. On another audition that francine mazer had done, showed him some. It was completely not really related to border patrol idea, but he saw- and he wanted me so he pitched it like the scene, the openings, two minute express what we're were davis there with attention and those in a hash, and unless the guy's got onto the plain and full and thereby swear by thought was a bus worries we ve stolen asher. I so he bit by bit

he's painting his picture from acid. I love eating. You know the movie with the man with the head, like oh yeah, magnetic break as the as the the actor Brad David was yeah and I'm just like really finishing his sentences and I'm like, as I said, Alejandro Muda. I said this is a we'll see, but he has not seen in your screen player on your right yourself. For you and others It was filled with so much damn passion to not say no. If you're that passionate, I want to jump on a boat passion. Is you and help fulfill your past year? That's how you feel it's a team effort, so we get there and I've got a lot of reese police resources and stuff. So yeah that was, that was the right to hell. That was so scary worth a a the I get to ellie acts. They want to fly me coach, migrate. brad pitt in his movie. What do you have flying? Kurdish? They ve, never fleming kosher any media. Some he's gone,

It's a mexican movie. I call my new managers. Oh you gotta watch out dude, it's my people, my people. What have you gotta, you realize you're overreacting, know who I am na dot the I's and cross the t's. We bought the hit a shit storm here like whatever calmed down cleveland, so I'm into it too. airport is tiny near that when you get there d be waiting for us a great I get hey guys where's my driver, like they said there. There they ve been there like, ok, see, do a thing

sixty here and you can see all the windows like okay they're. Not here, I wait. Thirty more minutes. They finally show up this girl shows up this overweight, bigger mexican woman in her sixties, looks like she's ready to go to a keaton era, so much makeup, so much perfume, and then they throw me in a white van with no windows ensures used by the cartels for kidnappings when it's not a production van or a positive, because the inside was really grimy, like ooh people try to get out of this before a cover. I'm telling you. This is what it looks like she's in the front passenger seat with the window open and we're driving. I'm like, I thought I could get some food at the airport, but no cause is so small here I can now we're driving. Maybe we'll stop and get some food. I notice that the road is straight, nothing but cactuses and rocks and the holy shit. So now it's I see the bars my phone starting to go away and there is no food come on anytime time soon as to how far the poorly three hours Oh, my god, I see we're above

like there's nothing from here to there might safely into two sounded driving to mexico that Porto put up in jaska, which now they have an airport there somewhere or land, but at the time they did not okay. So, yes, I'm fine I'll wait to get into a muddle, hamper the production for the four. and yeah yeah, you would think, maybe not like. Maybe they snuck her in Syria and I got to smell her perfume the whole time and I'm watching my bars disappear. I'm like fuck. If a tire blows were fucked. I've got a bag of like nuts and raisins tell him I have and I'll escape and I'll go back. I already had a plan to get out if we roll and the tire blows cause. I won't have a signal, so I finally get there I get to the hotel, like mr Collins you're not supposed to be here for another week. Okay, here? I am so what we do

did not know like okay who's, pouces who's. Talking to you now, though, the head of the the owner or the person at the hotel, yeah and like so like legal assault room. Yet here I am so they they put me in a room. They're still welcome basket. There's those grip, there's no per diem. The phones cables are yanked out of the wall- oh my god yeah, so I'm mexican so and like I can fix this. They start reconnecting the wires yeah and I get some kind of signal still networks. I go now so you gotta put money down my credit card, no credit card, no credit card, okay, where's, the eighteen. Wait tm what none too young to get room service no rooms here is a work of art called where's brad pitt yeah. Well, that looks bread though so then you go finally get me the I give fifty bucks and they charge the fuck out of a common man is a year you have to choose. verizon, before you cross into mexico. Don't want you get there! It wouldn't work once I got there, so I'm now to differ but at the time. So I finally get a script.

and I go to Alejandro honduras. Oh my god. He's right is supposed to fix that he didn't and I was like as it gets cold his business landy whatsoever, a lead three days pass, and then Finally, I already shot him some versions of it that he liked ass. It did you just tighten it up and write some shit and, like it goes like X, y Z, yeah. I could you, could you do it? You just keep doing what you're doing bro yeah and what you see in the movie, even on you'll, hear me It's a dialogue, which is very typical of of just police. Procedural here is, is very simple. Shortcoming is wearing a monologue rights like you'll stand up. Syria, your hands. You had no right to confuse people here, so that's what you're home you hear me repeat stuff, because we finish that sees Jeff would be we're, say my cool, ok here, so we did in that all at dialogue If the shit that I I still have the writing at home. I keep all my stuff that I rewrite it. Yeah yeah just for the for the sheridan's films brothers. I wrote a bunch of stuff yeah.

and you keep it just for as outlined in the papers when the papers go to the whoever gets your estate at the library. That gets all the paper perhaps. But why pits? his section was totally different right here was a different. Like almost indifference, we need to from the way it was one exec. I was it now we might get. I had gale garcia on my end and on its behalf, as a great great people, but earlier it was just getting. There was, was just like a very crazy. He gets worse, gives way. Really If you paid this, but why was that it wasn't his first movie? Was it no? No. I was just the way it worked. It's just anytime, I p you're involved. You can ignore, does not always you I mean. I can imagine that dell thorough, oh you're right, none are no exception, have dealt with the tough. Yet another, because now those guys, your friends and they are the big mexican director for dryer yeah, but but but

Del toro seems very organized iran. Yet, oh for sure, oh del toro is meticulous. Like I've talked to that guy loved it. I love Guillermo yeah right. I I told us dude. I love you so much you almost term gay as how much I love you yeah, he's like so like meticulous, yeah and and and and passion, passion, passion, but they both they're, both very passionate. But it's different right. It's a different type of hunters, a little more rascally I believe he was right. You know rascally right, but he also seems like he's he. You know it he's a guy that that dealing with the whole world and its use, I tell tee as a guide is dealing with film. Do you know what do I do? They're both passionate but like your daughter's total film, nerd and it seems like It- had he seen an inner in a router. I have met again, and I am sorry that I desecrated, aegis aegis feels it feels to me. Like you know, it's like feel, never existed. You know

did he's inventing film every time he does it all he did. They did grave from genres. In that last film beer martos there get through it, I loved it. So I got a grey again as it, so it's just so abstract, so wonderfully poetically, abstract. I love the revenant eyes that was called out loud. That say if I can already dunaway lily. It's like I thought about that a couple weeks ago with a ten. They really made leo work for that you're not likely he wasn't deserving before for so many performances, but this one of all really made him work is and that of the other. Everyone in that was pretty good. What was his name? Is it tom? What's a tardy tom hearty was like that guy's eyes work. What the fuck is going on with that guy he's a beast: yeah He's got a beaten in the way that you respect and the currency is, you are where you yeah. You disappear into anything like you with a word of that role, even comfort about bronson near yet bronzes seven. I watch every so often were set

once that brought brought as we please that that famous inmate from england get england ba I don't have I seen it some magical indy I got it or, if you like, if you were impressed by his work as a if actor, watches stuff when he's young bronzes is mind. Boggling yeah good. He is, I swear you. You will just be I've. I've. I've probably watched the film five times, yeah, it's it's just mesmerizing and the it's a prison, so they don't. They don't speak to the the general prison tropes. and it gets very also abstract. At times the I'm not on the bartels will kinder. Yet when you, Do you see in the justice and beautiful they take some artistic liberty it plays so well into the the psyche of of what's gone on to it's been an incarcerated for so long wow. What's it what's his name again: bronson yeah, the what's the name of the actor Tom hardy yeah hardy. He ate my brains going. I gotta watch some like it.

Some one where, like I'm trying to a he's like a ike, aren't you No waking there in the revenant and like what accent was at the right. That's a good question, but also you gotta, remember the time period so that the axes change and we don't have access to actual will do recordings of those acts that weird capone movie right. That was that was that was that that was a stinker rock is the one lock is the movie. I was thinking of it's called law. It's called Iraq, all while olivia colman's in it oliver yeah yeah it's a weird little indie movie, and you know I it it's kind of a a trip. I it it it's it How it deals with a a guy who has one night stand and he's like, you know, he's a and he should watch it. It's all him. It's called. a locality k e? It's all him! Ok, if I wanted to

like in a car, a pilot twenty down right now, thinking of its kind the crazy move itself, but so, when you are, with the with Guillermo on nine morality, the tomb of evil and civic rubbia nightmare alley. This is like coming full circle around too. You know your heritage and you're. Here father. You, sir, very interesting is like when I was looking around and I looked up. Your grandfather is that there's something similar about nature your careers in that not so much. I don't know his acting work, but he did a lot of movies, a dish, the tunnel television and you ve done the eu just a working actor at some point right and its aim. for the interesting night. You know it skip degeneration. I guess, but you know here you are having a some more life right. It's true with the exception of you

a lot of because he came from a vaudevillian background, so you drew from that for your role in nightmare alley. I will actually learned a lot about it. Excited started. Doing research in and starting to kind of gather. Information right is, as life story and a gear more just put accelerant on it. Did he know your grandfather's work? it knows, is working as the history really and more so. He saw the importance to me. He sat me down one day we had dinner in his apartment. Just two doors down a high: Everybody had left already in only a permanently and well defined. Let everybody laughed have just gear. Mommy and is good, vietnam and he sat me. Don't you want to watch the jockey trails? We watched it yeah and we ve been regan a little bit of wine and cheese and then he says Donegal, clever, cloverton, which he relate to call me clipperton. it was a clever. Didn't cover a mirror. He goes you you and your family. Your legacy, munich out on you cause you're you're, like the like the pinch of latino latino

more family cover on nice. It now you are not worthy of that. That is because no colourings, you are you leaned forward pointedly the big dude they released. Four legs gonna lay hands on. I said: okay I'll put my hands up. Oh yeah, I am yeah. I am a zipper, wouldn't it wouldn't make me drew barrymore, yeah, you're right but you'd be ever you want a cigarette, maybe I'll be a grandpa barrymore yeah. grandma variable. I added Ethel started in vital as well. There is ethical and line all I know. I think I was the big three. There was the big through your absolute so but you had more family. That was in movies. I know, but they were all part of the catapez scene and cut by spanish for rag top got bessie was the best basically mexican wrapped up in texas. What does that mean? at the traveling show, yes, okay, so it was. It was a tent that you could put up and put down and go to the next location, and that was your grandpa. That's how we started. I saw my great grandma The star you great grandma in mexico and then she had to escape would contravene declare

war before you, so gear Mon knew about your great grandmother. He knew he had the is he didn't really know, but since then the research I've found information in different artists books. I remember he might speaking about my great grandmother. My great uncle my great aunt. They were all in that in the year alone, where they were from the quota, so they were carnies essential ear, but might might the great gravel my mother's side was amiss his sin, man and contortionist, and he he would look to find a location or get the paperwork done. So he did. You did a lot of stuff and in in these situations you often had to other entertainers could do your routine in case you get sick or whatever I think it fill in for you. So that was sort of party nightmare alley, you're passing on. So as as I was learned, they were kind of coming together because at the same time, coincidentally and coincidentally, one hundred percent mark- that's a one- can argue really coincidence that that's where I feel like something is I get that

these are not like. I got enough science exerted creepy sure year. It is not something gets creepy, alot tickets Gregorio until it goes away in the new. I guess you took it out, you pete, I fuck up. Why am I where's, the creeping us now that the local amarian gay, I'm not going to stop because the voices or the things so ok, that your great grandfather, so your grandfather started in that world as a kid. Yes, my great grandfather, both my great grandfather in both a great grandmothers, Oh my grandma aside, I am I grandma side, but this If your mother's family, yes yea cell, so micaiah Micah was my grandfather's mother yeah. and she was related to general, where she was mikaela, aware that Gonzales, wow and as pancho villa is sworn enemy and she was dancing for ponchos men yeah, oh wow, theater yeah and the Cottbus yo wind poncho or when will be one punch of year declared war and she's like I gotta get the gotta vs, he's gonna, kill me what they find unrelated to what yeah. So

balanced and came to texas seventeen year and you don't need a passport back then, sir, I you paid a nickel that nickel is the ongoing bribe here, and I remember asking my grandma about this. A grandma tummy button more about the thing in the rear of the nickel in the bribing. In this there was a like the, u harriet, tubman girl railway na Mi Ho. I wasn't nothing like what you mean: nothing like the just gotten line of game. A nickel is so not cinematic, so boring like it was at the open, no matter rubbed here. I know that as pretty much nickel give nickel giving so, but you Your grandfather like he was like a studio, actor wasn't any could read, but you I bet he was used in westerns yeah john. He was under bat jack productions, which was duke's company a really, so he did real bravo high and the mighty translated town he'd lend them out to other a corporate or other other actors that had the rope

in Compagnia, like when he did wiggle Glenn ford and the sheep men or greer garson and strange lady in town, and what did these parts cause? I can't like I saw rio. Bravo but like are they just the the the mexican parts like? Well, you lightly stereotyped. Not real? Bravo, not only on the hotel ochre and he brought he brought a duke and all the ammo at the end with the shotgun okay and he got enough- is a fight and he's a he's, the one that puts the blouse up to duke It has taken motherly, do just have late love to have around here, so he was bodies would John wayne Ali. I do what once duke saw him on the gradual mark, show and their way more assigned em. He did one film, he did the first treaty, west here. I have learned the wings of the hawk here and then, after that, that's when do called yams. I want to put on a contract for ten years. Why

and that's where he did other film and tv work, because he was on bonanza and usually he was working for duke yeah and duke's brother directed him to robert robert wainwright yeah, something I found called no shit yeah. so you do and all its researching your crime, those out in your watch, another We probably see most of the staff most of the tv stuff even to write not as yet, but I'm slowly getting my hands on some of that I got. I got a hold of the Jimmy durante that he did with Robert mitchum. Oh really, oh yeah, it's beautiful! What is that? it's me directly show. Yes, a variety show, no shit. I got acidity ray These causes not on to bribe asked management. Eighty gradual marks issue gotcha why these are real guy here is the only graciosa. Gave him a book which my group agree, but I read and

he's. The only person that he mentions out of the whole show it helped raise his ratings because he was going to go off the air. Oh really, he called walter o'keefe, who had a tv show, not a t v. She had a radio show cause. You know from like the earth was at forty. Five to fifty five radio was like the big rear, entertainment, so Walter o'keefe had a show called double or nothing. Ah, I believe is on NBC, and and and gradual. It says I some help manage my show. My ratings are going sam to harden the customers and all my now anybody vienna and you got your granddad more. He did a watchful kieva done. He would and see to charity of efforts for real policy at double. Oh yeah. I radio station is san antonio text. Aha and my grandfather work there, how he he did everything use crew. I camera guy ran cables would pick up. Money would be at the show the dude rancho, yet he would do the comedian stuff he would act. Even egypt did everything here, wild so in did you. You had a relationship with your grandfather was more of a dad and modalities dad. So you,

ok, so you are able to you, go right to the source, ravished yadda ill. Actually, Joe Montana got me recording, interviews and father probably thirty years ago he now they had a german. Can you get you to do it? He thought he was like. He was clove. He was you know your your grandpa, your grandpa's a legend, a legacy. He is filled with stories that you gotta you gotta, get all that fontaine the recorded she kind he caught joy kind of state army for a little bit more. fine uncle joy, fine, where they will be so and I'm so grateful we as it was until the end of nightmare alley had for some reason. I remembered that a video to him so because I had about seven hours of interviews from my grandmother, because once that that night there, I told me that I went back to my room and I went with all the hours of grandma, and I made all these index cards yeah when it finished. I went to bed yeah and then, when I woke up, I realized that all my guy did those videos that joey had me do yeah five thirty years ago. Ninety seven, ninety eight, while any

to be sure and excited neither in two places at once. Two places I went and I found them wow, yes, sir, so so we can do all this stuff. We can do with your grandfather's life while making the origin story. It's a you kind of look like him right, that's what everybody keeps telling me. I've been trying to ignore it, but you're going to play him yeah. you see I've kind of hesitant, that's! I know once I hopped the fence yeah but yeah. I have been practicing his frying pans. What do you mean the frying pan? Oh, that that was one of his gigs? He, because they're, so poor, he'd take bottles and fill them with water. You've got a picture, hang them yeah from from the old lead, PA, okay, which I highly original lead pipe, were ok and he would fill with water here. young aid from the age of seventy started, learning sech a vaudeville trick. It was and then, and then the frying pan. Yet twenty four skillets here and

we play those yeah, he play him and he'd bend. The tail already been the handle they're onto to get change, change the pitch yeah and also with the hammer he learned later yeah, which was hell on the family, probably at least the last fifteen years of his life, because his hearing was going and so he would do shows like twice a year. Wilcox eurozone directs, alan days or You know he was used they still the certain places yeah and they'd. Ask them so you'd always knew when that time was come, cause you're banging on these paint like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang and it's real fucking la jolla. So it was like. Oh the balkans days, come again, yeah your grandpa's tune up the band. The grumpy need to hear any of your crazy. Only grenade for years and and his whole life and, conversely, yet no kin air and then We still got the property with just so did not that long area with a fed it was that it was said

I grew up in a home tat danced in that harmful yankee, dade euro tapped answer ice yama hooker here you grab got me open, really he did that too. Oh yeah, he did oh, he would still steps. He would still steps all the time. He'd was the Nichols brothers in new york here at like seventeen years old, oh back, as long as he got married, my grandma was fifteen. He was seventeen and they hit the road they went on. Tour did vaudeville. Yup went to new york to perform at the hispano theatre, yeah and what this was all he was watching, those guys, oh yeah, you just watch as they all knew each other. I don't that he knew them so there's a separate mexican vaudeville or latino vaudeville. I guess that makes sense because less there's a black one and is a chinese when is well aware of that, the car pass is always love for the Chinese, but that was right giving that wishes. That was essential. Mexican vaudeville pretty much and it would tourist such so. I wonder whether what the range wife were, how was it We in this

out there. How far the mexicans get it early on arizona new mega go right that they could afford you, I've been rather yet the cat at it, the california one of his eldest sister, we're a got married to this cunning, walter weber, who had some success, creating like what he wanted mexican american rag tops and they want to do an english. Could my great grandmother only spoke patchy and spanish and she to do it in england, here you the old school or I'd like swing dances, knowing where I was crazy swing. The answer my grandma was too: did they make money they make ends meet with doing swing, dancing while real hassle me there's only that as swinging. So what do you do? You can do I get you gonna write a movie. I wrote it. You did I almost got it MIKE judge, has it Roger avery's got it mike judge, that's interesting, why that choice is because he knew them and he's a dear friend, oh and I'm just trying to He knew what do you? What we'd would we go and like allison

my grandma's get some brevity like all right. Let's go man go, get some breakfast burritos yeah and then we go down a holy shit as your grandma's breakfast burritos Jesus Christ, at green chili, oh shit, going to argue he grew up in new mexico yeah. He was there for awhile and air, hey how you know him. I auditioned for idiocracy yeah and we just connected then, even though he didn't hire me. I like damn. I could totally hang out with my mics air cooler shit and then I ended up doing extract where we might get? My my ball blown off my testicle just hanging by a classic, a far longer you in this movie thing, for you got the script out to people. You want direct aid or you, sir Leon, If a producer, are you looking for money and let let's see what happens in the in the guillermo camp yeah, because he was such a such a a just, a strong What did he know? Dramas well here,

I was like the one opinion that he cared about at the screening of pacific rim like he went out and but then the same way, a bennett, miller and and philip seymour recipes were concerned about what my grandma and grandpa thought when they saw a capone. Need the studio really yeah cause. Why does she know them or something they knew they? They, philip and bennett, knew that my grandpa was, but you know having what were like howard hawks and mervyn le Roy wellman, great yeah, yeah yeah. I like that they just they will be line. They just kind of went ass the audience and be luxury. What is your gravitated gravity like a hawk? Ok, if you have to yeah we're good idea. What's going on, you could ask I'll tell you yeah, wow yeah, it's pretty special, so yeah we even practiced in the directing, though you've been doing videos and will have done a bunch done like for that, haven't even counting crows to slash, but no for no features yet no features. Yet I love shooting. I love editing them just kind of a horrible idea. I just love the process. Yeah yeah do

I have recently because I got so much audio grandma. I actually add. Graham. Never read some of the beginners as glaring have the whole script ready yet, but we ve talked about much of it yet I sat her down said we'd die. Should we date is what we'd call her, because as children we couldn't say abuelita yeah, so we just say we do are window. Would you like a weaker as adults? We still called here when it, because you can actually be the person in their rate, we toes story they're, happy maisie check it out. I got hours of her soul What I've been doing. I've been harvest in her voice. these three. I through eleven labs. Really what's. Eleven lamps eleven labs is an ally for voice cloning or voice. Recreation. Yet so it's, been isolating her voice and taken out my voice in any high pitches, reais and oxen, and I uploaded to this app and I can get her. I can type what I want her to say really is, or has

correct, lorraine, us a little off and- and I just found the fifth just founded button there. I can because it's it english if you look on it, you can make it good mexican suffer the mexican accent. Grandma's got not. She looked very way. But at a unique acts from taxes. Here You never know you guys like a straight up leg, full blown, Can I take a member here, puckered tax it and you can be full blown like dark mexico. Are you added vive LA? Why look in and have the thickest mexican exit you ever hurry ass? He does never know you're getting right. Now Jim crow era to make my grandma's youngest sister was the widest. So if they were hard up for food a lot of times, they would roll the dice and have her go into the the store to buy food here and risk risk. Getting and possibly kill really. Yet my grandpa stop like lies, not gonna, that when I was dangerous, our real or that owners known to leg fuck what makes again

well, yeah yeah, but but the the er you want her to narrate. But it's going to be a it's, not a documentary, it's the origin story, yeah pretty much ends when he gets signed by where morrison goes to and leave w. I ok and but there Interesting that you using the area. Well, I'm not one hundred percent on that, but I want to have it ready in case I like being prepared, people are just sorta like really just quickly adapting to it in a way that makes me nervous, no standard. Also, technology grow exponentially already that phase where authority could get em. If it went from thirty percent passing the bar on monday and by friday to like one hundred or said where'd that phase of the the the trajectory just technology yeah. It's it's going to be blank and it's like already evolved his target. You blink again in the casino, living with you. He blink again, it's here and it'll, be making counting how many times you're blinking yeah. It's movie super super fast that studied this.

good or bad tee. I think its inevitable link its inevitable. I mean we've already heard the things that are that and look at the boston, dianetics or the the the robots have they been shown us yeah. I always said This is what they are showing you just think about they're, not shown when you were in westward. I was in west. Fourthly, I was in transcendence here if you study, if you watch transfer yes man, the documentary there above all the technology coming together, because the united building, I already singularity sir ere. I studied that about you, I'm. What do you think that scare we have? The choice is just? U way we We have no choice because we let it happen, live off the grid. You know enough somewhere. You do that then everybody's connected in way that you're, not, I dunno really what matters to you in everyone's connected in a major he kind of weight. Innocence like anybody can

It means your yeah I get that does not unilaterally a harmless, but also your part of algorithms and our desires are being mind and fed back to us through our Choices were making that are being sorted recorded in observed by their by pieces of equipment. That way, Grown to rely on their shit that I dont say that shit that I think you dont say around your phone. I dont see around my phone art than theirs. There's I've had my dear that have never even uttered just just because I believe that they get this stuff is their picking up. Brainwaves now, dude, I think that's a tray. When I heard that about the brainwaves I'm like well, that goes to show you that you know that we as humans are are lazy in our appreciation and understanding of the way we communicate without talking like if the computer can pick, brainwaves and make images out of our brain ways. You can tell us at other people can't do that as well. I mean right sure sure, but also there's other senses like body language, sure that that didn't need to be verbal

isn't tell when your girlfriend comes up. You know when she's managing right be right, or you know she's like as yet, if you're, so that aside. Why hope that you the movie- and what is this, did you write or two? You do some need wrote a book with you did prison rahman here. What is it? I dont donate twenty percent of the It was easter, homeboy industries Schirmer how to follow. Gregg, yeah father Greg enough of the growl of folly, greg the father Greg and all the homeboys home girls over there. It's a beautiful, it's a magical place, yeah cause. I I did. grew up around a lot of the gang activities, a young kid and oversee culver city, inglewood, yachts, south central been shot at three times he had got out at three carjack genes. Yeah. I've I got two lives loved here, I'm guessing pretty good an if you're fifty two years to live, should get you through with you, I'm so with you, I'm happy yeah yeah, so so a member of the First, I walk in there I down boy

and the industries I saw a latinos or north side or south side is white gangsters. You know black gangsters, and I was like oh shit- is about to go I went straight to my fighter flight, I put my back against the wall. I knew where the exits were a and then- and then I I realized- oh my god, everybody's here to be of service and my eyes just watered up, and I was trying to hold the tears back at them. To see me breaking yeah, I realized love was in the room. overwhelmed by it was beautiful and I sat down with father g. He gave me a recipe, so yeah childhood buddy mine, sometime, and am I want to go visit him after the chino riots. Celtic one of the first people, their imprisoned and the visit on and seven out of the eight cubicles. When you get rated transfer, he he was a clerk at that time they had done at a time, and here he had that stature, but he was a last module to not get burned so email city with him on the yard you guessed,

smell that the british embers the would like the winner force burnt. You smell it, the smell that was an uprising, a riot It was the right areas where and it was it was awarded. It wasn't paying attention to the house rules as we say here and they pay the price for it and then he got removed, but what does like Swartz nigger walking through the prism of blood on mattresses, broken porcelain, sayings as prisoners are nasty, all their toll in any could have been prevented, but just arrogance: loser you you're, your buddy survived. He did and we took from his diary. I selected a handful of stories which were very engaging beer night we just polish dumb with he asked about doing this pilot north carolina. I'd love, my computer at home like that visual. When I was on the plane going. Oh shit, it's charging at my table. How am I going to do the rewrite right? Yeah yeah on my damp from my thumbs, were so fucking sore mark

it's, that you can make the adjustment right. Why you're driven well yeah, I know but like I, I you guys us He really only something, and he did it three. The goose even gives like your. pretty tired man. While we deduce polish tomorrow, now do we gotta motor through a tomorrow is easy see they got makeup. Free, don't worry about. We got invested in our leader yeah, and what is the book is just his extra edited versions of his writing. It is edited. There's, there's they're all original ramen recipes from prison. We are all very real recipes. A man with every recipe. We affiliate a story in oak and an opposite. The youth will pick up on it. What's the recipes just all, and cause and rockets taken over as a force for our tourism. They threw prison right, that's what they can do in their cell. Ok, and it's different different prison cause. Viruses allow farming, others do not

prisons, allowed extra stuff from the outside. I do not so it really depends on it in a changes throughout its equip, it's a quick fun reed and at so many friends, to help media jackson did the intro awhile and alpha g and shall above and tearing manning and of york that she fell. Clancy brown, you, sir. I did two things with china. I did on honey boy- oh yes, very special, for I saw that movie way or about what were you in that latest counselor? Oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah. That was like the one positive role model he had in his entire life right, geez, man, you're everywhere, yet with special, yet guys intends, He is in ten to unite. I think, our great artist. We have our demons and they- of our leash liking, always very good. Gifted gary's insanely gifted unease is very

it's just hard. You can't control your emotions and yeah. It's like one of the things. If you can't control one of the things you know what I mean you got a problem. If you control two or three years, you're a brother you're right. Well, then you gotta, then you gotta be good at getting outta trouble. Sure he got on getting in trouble. You have to go to the place to Lord knows, make up for it. Yeah he's he's gotten outta trouble quite a few times successfully thankful, but but just like Dennis hopper, you know he he he had as Dennis you've been like you've been blacklisted, I am here, I said: how do you come back? You you easy rider and he came out blue velvet. You came back he's like you know, you know, Gonzalez osity said he said I was difficult to work with, and also really He's I care, I said warrior I should also like to say you know Jimmy James dean a girl, Jimmy and monty money will clear

I have to do their own blogging and I'm not gibby or Manti yeah. I was like duly noted. Okay, okay, cause cause dentists in my grandpa were contract players under duke that dentists. My grandfather, dean. Nick Adams, here alfalfa little rascal, and they were all under a bat jack. Really so When did you may dennis apple? dennis ninety one on a polish rater film, which one of us who was. It was called witch hunt because witch hunt It was on a famous author that I love. My appeal of quit was late peal of craft. I think it was witch hunt yeah. I didn't. I don't know about this movie important. Traitor. Wow, it's a paltry me. I never heard of yeah as you and Benghazi, and debi mazer, all right, yeah like an elderly am it was great to obviously worker

legend like Paul, schrader and yeah at that young of an age cause. I was very well aware of who he was yeah. I knew all kinds of history about him which surprised him, but the the debi mazer, was in it was my like dead amazing. Isn't it I'm doing it yeah? She was something I had the hugest crush on her and then I ended up dating her years later easy. I did I still. There are polaroid that I took from that make up gave me oh my god, I'm either going to have this like yeah. I still have it. I have it in in Dennis, and I would stay friends like through the whole whole thing. We were pretty tight, actually yeah yeah. I loved hanging out with Dennis it was uncle Dennis was cool. I went to his future. Taos my buddies, married to his daughter, a really steve broke in steve, brill I don't know how I went out to the grave when I was in town last, penitentiary, air, some man and attend day. A real that's a real old timey graveyard people download know the penitent exists. I was

granted that at the time and rebecca halls brother flowing from england and attempts to do a penitentiary document Why? Why group in new mexico, so that yet so the the penitent days up by other donors, and so you knew about this Y know about the penitent days. What are you talking about exactly and they ve been around on time here or he couldn't find anything and took her in vienna, rebecca halls a brother. so that, so you tell me that that the secretive right, but dennis it that's a penitentiary cemetery. Yes, and armed robbie romero. His godson Leah patchy had to get Dennis, asked him to get special permission from the high priest, as you like, I presume you going about air and attending ha penitently here in the house music. Yes, Will they be it's all over new mexico right? Isn't that were most familiar? I mean most from my recollection. There were out via esben yola, the donors, but it was like. You know that it's sort of yearly catholic,

beating the shit out yourself thing right what they did have to strong. Will you ve been there seen others to two buildings at the entrance where at their, secretary american ones the stronghold that debt has like the people in the guns and is not, and it looks like it's empty, but very often we watching. I asked he really careful what you do right equally, what a year later for robbie to do the job of the four prayers to the north south east to west. He did a full blown apache, some way there. So what the penitent asian, your understanding I saw I did do a little bit of research. He comes from Spain, usually at the flogging of foreigners den still happens, but yeah. I don't really know yeah and neither did Robert at the time the air up there are harnessed, so it was very see- and what was relationship with them to get buried there. I don't really know neither did Robbie rapid cry was shocked when he heard it. He was like what do you mean like, like the ferdy abrahams conversation hockey, it grew up

it's a fairly nondescript grave other than what people leave their the beautiful crucifix. Yet in their people, just go as a pilgrimage and seem to leave stuff. I don't know when the last time we were there was. I was there like a year ago on wines is covered with stuff like little mortar, goals that can cash, easy writers, sure yeah. I I've been there twice the first, my when we were followed by a line of choppers, because these I called the the church to the whole ceremony. As you mean, when you were there at the funeral, yeah Henry's, every speaking and and jack Nicholson was next to me and he was a nicholson out yeah, it was beautiful. He came up with a star ceremonies. Well was very friend was waving at all. The tour is likely like you never see, jack do so open. Did layer and we ve never seen him. You work with him. I have I would love to, and we had we had he's done here. Possibly here but so we were just circling. Motorcycles, nay, came to the few. Only let the men to the penitent, these cemetery

we reject turn around ngos as they started to lose, lower dennis in a pint, a literally a literal pine box, like you see in the old west movies, like the Jews. Do that really I embark, I didn't know how footballs that are starting to lower it and then jack turns wrangling, give 'em hell boys, and so they did a twenty one. Rev salute or wrong wrong. It was heavy about val kilmer was there or he's women in santa FE at the time yeah it was. It was great to run into him there and it's like a magnet for gene hackman come up or anybody didn't see, gino yeah, but there is a there's. So many friends we did find ourselves there father did not come to the star ceremony nor nor the funeral night edward with them a few times afterwards. Here I felt The actual so close to Dennis yet no such a fan of easy ride area, but don't I started to started. Tell me about Henry

and in the book tat he wrote Henry oh father. The idea started time, but the book- I guess it's out utter peer, told here. He said it's called, don't tell daddy tackled. and when I learned about the trauma that he'd gone through, I just gave him straight pass on, like I can't hold anything against. I don't know what their history, it's all about that peter, but between peter and Dennis I mean I know what Dennis told me and shared, and I know what I've read and I know it differed heard from other people. But but after you heard peter's story about what he went through his dad, I was like okay, I gotta link yeah guys he had problems. Dude yeah Henry was cool. Not call now is bad, that was a horrible thing came from you know, before easy riders. He had the hell's angels,

nor model, while angels corpsman movie was it Roger ormond. Maybe I was a call while danger. I don't have. It sounds like a worthless. Satanism was big o you, I like how this technically whew, yet another out adds he'd, be movie biker yeah. I got males love those things We talk anybody on my guy has a sense of joy. I was so excited as the highlight of my week. Oh good man, the guy I've been. I was so sad when I couldn't make it that first time, like oh, my god, I watched all the specials. I was a little more The voices are funny caused there like a microwave ovens like he fell off his bike. literally a monolithic, call, not a motorcycle like a very thoughtful bike, and now we know two blocks walk from his house. Not even it was in front of my driveway. I, like the gate, was still open and closed. Can crack l think okay not going to the gym today? Well, I hope that helps a full recoveries on the horizon. Yeah we're getting a couple of weeks here, thanks buddy I'd rather

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