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mcgill jewelry when barbara in february, two thousand thirteen for being a man with a hatchet when this guy hit someone with his car and attacked a woman. I became known as the hatchet wielding hitchhiker. He was considered a hero. He was at one point yeah, but just a few months later he was arrested for the murder of a seventy three year old man. There goes my hero to zero yeah, hey. I will talk about him. You know some people might have seen the netflix special that they did. The thing about going back and he was on Jimmy kimmel. I mean that's how big of a deal it was You really know who these people are. You don't know you know what

they're dealing with what their past was like we're going to get into all of that, because what a lot of people when they talk about this case. They really point to this guy's background and it's a it's. A major factor. Caleb Lawrence macgillivray was born in Edmonton Alberta, canada on September. Third, ninety eighty eight. According to the national post, Caleb has been going by the name com since he was about fourteen. According to interview with the new station k, mp, age fox, twenty six news, Kai, also clay. And he was from Sophia west Virginia in this interview. But as we know, this is not true, I said he graduated high school and studied in university for one year He told the outlet that he wanted to run away from home. Kai said in tv interview, I dont have the family. far as anyone I grew up with is concerned.

And already according to the national post sounds like maybe he didn't really other creative. Her chair yeah and we are definitely going to dive into that somewhat. But you know, if you hear someone say I don't have any family Far as anyone is concerned, I'm dad and then you late find out. They do have family I'm sure you know he had friends and it tells you something about his state of mind right then, and there I'm on my own, and nobody can is about me. That's divide that it really gives off. After keyser, rest, his family came forward to speak about his early life, his parents are gill, make Gilroy and surely stronger. Can, I also has a brother named Josh his parents,

braided when he was four years old. They both remarried incurs father, had show room with his second. What gill lost custody of kind is brother. He told the national post that part of the reason he lost custody was because his car broke down on the way to a how city here that would definitely suck you. I worried by let's face it, the court doesn't work. When you don't show up yeah, I'm thinking even if you had a receiver to try her some there now always big onyx uses, even if there are valid or real progress, something else in a mixed. I'm sure there was that I can't imagine that was the only part of it, but he still got supervised visits and he did take. You know his sons out

well told the outlet about visiting card and a group home for children with behaviour or problems in edmund during christmas, two thousand eleven kai came to his home and hawks bearing where he was living with his wife and kids, I visited for a few days before heading west gill, told the national post that he and I had hard law. Gill lived on what he called skid row in Edmonton. and grew up in one of canada's residential school. So look decide residential school system was a network of boarding school bore indigenous people in canada. There meant to isolate children from their culture and religion. you are now is disturbing that got over the line. Couple years, all information come on out of those school, so well Children were not only isolated from their families and cultures, but many of them live in extremely poor.

Conditions they suffered from abuse. It was malnutrition or starvation, as well as disease gill told the national post that he was sexually abused at a residential school was pretty common back into schools from all the different documentaries. if you've on it seen a lotta documentaries I have well. I think you were alluding to run All this information that has come out. Obviously there was there were some bans going on in this system, hi who said that he was sexually abused as a child kind. Parents and grandmother spoke with the philadelphia inquirer about his life. The here were reported that in an interview with California, Your station chaos algae in march, two thousand thirteen kai said he was right when he was seventeen years.

He also said that he felt violated by a defence attorney in had fights with people he perceived as both so we're getting you know some information from the family a lot of information from Kai himself. He did a number of interviews. He has said that he was sexually abused as a child, add in raped as a seventeen year old. No doubt that's going to have an impact on your life. Yeah yeah definitely is now. Is it different for everyone or does? Does each person deal with it in a different way? I guess is: is a better way to ask Why should I can't speak from experience, but I can only say I would think so, and you did abuse is gonna, loom large later on in his life, gill, mick, gilbert, hold the enquirer? That kind live that a medical residential facility and Alberta from age nine to eighteen,

I told him that he was physically abused. Their guilt told the paper. I do leave. He has post traumatic stress, so the vote The thing jumped out of me is nine. To tat is all long time to be living at display reproach the bulk of your trousers We talked about sexual abuse. Now we know he's claiming their was physical abuse as well mary and miss gilbert, guys grandma said that He had a rough childhood, but was a very good boy. Surely strasbourg said? She never heard her son was about used in residential treatment. She also said: Caleb has had issues for years. Ok, I think we have to break out ones. Even though we do. What do you mean by issuing new everybody has issues. The severity is different right for four different people. The way I interpreted that state

was that his mother was saying you know what he did or the way he turned out wasn't because of these things that he said happened I don't know if that's what she meant, but that's the way it sounded that's the way I perceiving it. Yeah yeah. Instead he's had issues for years. That's what she said in May two thousand and thirteen kai made a post on facebook, alleging parental abuse such as being forced to take cold showers being hit with spoons and sticks. and experiencing prolonged timer. According to the philadelphia inquirer. Most of his accusations were towards a war men self declared mother, but he also mentioned man so now he's being somewhat vague about who was involved, it does sound like he's, is putting some of this on his mouth now is the man his dad. We don't know for sure right.

Surely denied these accusations. In an interview with E newark star, ledger and said they were a product of ties, mood disorders. Again, you can really see here there. The opposing viewpoint, kind saying I was physically and sexually views. I was mistreated. You know all kinds of different things happen to me: in his mom is saying- Now he was a moody care. He had issues he now something landed him in this medical well residential facility for sure, from the age of nine to eighteen. Now, what was that I never really saw was because his mom couldn't take care of him. He was acting out. I'm not sure at the time of his arrest I met Gill very was homeless, travelling around the. U s, however, he preferred to use the term home free on February. First, two thousand thirteen,

exempted that arise from a fifty four year old man named jet simmonds Mcbride. He was subsequent We involved in an incident that lead to- I'm going viral online. The incident occurred around two p m. That afternoon Mcbride rammed his car into a pacific gas and electric company truck trapping a worker between his car and I was in the vehicle at the time he reported that may be I was making racist come about workers, one of whom was black mcbride then got out of his car and started beating the worker. He also attacked anyone who tried to stop. Kinda got out of the car and started hitting him with the blunt end of a hatchet eventually knocking him up. So this where the hero part of the story comes churn us. It's just a strange set of.

Circumstances, because he's writing with this gap, but obviously he doesn't know who this guy is or what he was going to do. I didn't know he was races, didn't know that he was gonna, get out and start beating people. The worker who was attacked was, I did fine in the fresno no be article as thirty seven rolled raison, neely hi and regime. Neely coworkers detained right during the incident jet mcbride was arrested at the scene when he assaulted and nurse who was trying to help. I knew he was charged with attempted murder saw with a deadly weapon in better now Those are very serious charge. They are, but this was also- very serious incident, guarantee charges fit the crime. Yeah sounds like they, they did

you know how the world first learned of cop historic first aired on K, mph fox twenty six news in fresno california, on february, first porter Jesse vereinsbank spoke to tie and posted the video online. and this is the video that quickly went viral had gotten millions and millions of views high used, colorful language describe how he became involved in the fire. At the beginning of the interview kai said before. I say, anything else, I want to say no matter what you ve done. You deserve respect, even if you make mistakes, your law

it doesn't matter. Your looks, skills or age or size or anything you're worthwhile. No one can ever take that away from you, so you know, I think, right off the bat he endeared himself to a lot of people. He sure did, because those are some great sentiments. Oh yeah and very true. I think a lot of people probably felt like I can relate yeah yeah here. Here's a here's, a good guys hero. He saying the right things now in what is probably them viral part of the video kai said these two women are trying to help him. He runs up any grabs, one of the man like a guy that big can snap a woman's neck like a pencil stick, so I fuckin ray. Behind him with a hatchet smash smash map, and yet

sure a lot of people have seen the video you should go out in and watch the video he's very animated yeah yeah. He is kind of infectious in a way where, like I said, I think he drew people here I story was featured on national media lads like Jimmy Kim alive. I said he was on there and not just in an interview. They did like a segment where the writing in the car to gather not really writing. But you know, like hollywood riding in a car, I dont There's any doubt he was admired by a lot of people for what they saw. As you know, this really heroic. So we ship focus to one of the victims of the tat regime, neal, right leg was shattered and his right foot was broken, neely told the fresno, be he didn't hear the car approaching and was stunned.

The crash. He didn't witness. Much of kai beating jet Mcbride Neely said that a one point mcbride approached and started pulling on his life. He didn't know he was trying to help his oh workers into nurses who are in the area came to help him a fire crew freed him and he was taken to the house. neely and his wife Amanda said they were grateful for cars help. But All workers in the nurses also deserves credit, so kind it up, testify. Add jet mcbride preliminary hearing on fair, We're a twenty first ration, neely and tawny and baker who was attacked by Mcbride also testify. Ky testified that he was hitchhiking in bakersfield when Mcbride picked him up introduced himself as jet and started driving. He said they talked to we're religion during the drive when they were in fresno mcbride

gave him money to buy marijuana kai rule the joint mcbride smoke, some of it and he finished at this point honesty, stone, tone everybody look I got some marijuana will rejoice. We smoke too he's holding back now. Most people Why about that? Because it doesn't really make you look right now and also my me, one of the reasons why Mcbride slackened into this truck is mere because he was high. He said that mcbride started talking about how he travelled to the virgin islands and raped a young woman moments later. He said, watch this I'm Jesus Christ and then drove into the group above p e g, any employ kai, said that he intervene during the incident and hid Mcbride three times over the head with a hatchet? The first and second heads didn't stop it, but after the third here, according to Kai, he dropped like a sack of potatoes.

three whacks with a hatchet, the blending of a hatchet will do that yeah. It should I'm surprised one and two that they didn't do it, but the third one definitely did. Ed now you might be asking yourself. Wiseguy have a hatchet with him, but he is home, for According to her right he's out on the road is hitchhiking. He may be used. It to make cab. I don't know I always carry a hatchet just, never know. Yeah you'd never know. He said that Mcbride got up a short time, Wait. I had his car keys in his pocket and retreat. He testified that he was not going to let Mcbride back in his car ratio nearly testify that he was turned away and didn't see Mcbride car coming Tanya Baker and re sean testified that mcbride get out of the car and try the poor neely off his car is he did this. he said: do you believe

Jesus Christ, as your lord and savior- and I just found this to be- such a strange interaction, he hits the man but then yeah is he trying to help, and why is he you know, keep talking about Jesus Christ, lord and savior? But then obviously, as and to find out how he got aggressive since very confused. Neely was unable to identify mcbride by citing court. He was in too much pain during the attack time. You Her testified that she and her daughter tried to get Mcbride away from nearly bride used a racial slur and said that kneeling. Entire rates have to go. She said that mcbride and put her in a bare hug and hit her in the back when she tried to pull him off new and this is when high enervate- this mcbride seems like a real piece of work year was he

always a piece of work did there, you know, did he get high in that kind of exacerbate it is annual. It don't know. Most people that I've interacted with who you know or high their little mellow, yes mellow, but maybe it causes different reactions, indifferent people, maybe baker, testify I some of the workers pen mcbride and held him until the police arrived the fresno be reported. Then Mcbride was teary I'd in court. And set out loud sore We re shop, so he cried in court, told this guy. He was sorry. I'm was sorry was sorry for me think seas. Fine, the role well and we always kind of have to discuss that is he really sorry or is sorry because of what he's now face and he showing off maybe a little bit for the cord jurors. The judge, whoever might be

Eugenie employ kenneth sign, testify that he was here the lower back and hip area. He suffered a chipped vertebrae nearly didn't have time to move before they were hit by mcbride car because they were both facing away. He pointed out mcbride in court in submitted that he was driving around twenty to twenty five miles per hour doesn't seem like a lot, but when a car going twenty twenty five miles an hour hit you. in pins you into another car. Even at that speed, that's very sir! Yes, causing damage. Simon testified that Mcbride did not try to turn the vehicle away from them. He was thrown ten to fifteen feet when they were hit. He got up and saw that nearly was pen with his legs under the truck and on top car, that's a very scary situation. Really. Is you don't wanna be nets? By now

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I am Jesus and I'm here to take you home. He put his hand on neely head. In the other hand, behind his light mulish aimed at him to get away simons. Hi- hit mcbride with a hatchet. They told him to leave hi ran Simon testified that it took four five coworkers Give me a ride off neely once you got back up after being hit with a hatchet, so we said you know smoked a little better. sure sounds like maybe he was on something else if it took five guys to git him off. This is after his third whack yeah the hatchet. Maybe he was on a little some extra or something something the process. you should argue that Mcbride intentionally targeted neely and that his comments about taking him home were a clear indication kneeling? going to die? Mcbride lawyer said that he asked neely if he believed in Jesus. In

does not indicate and intend to kill and I see how you know each side can durham, spin. On that phrase here I can do not too difficult right yeah, but you know I'm here to take you home that, coupled with the racial slurs here the fact that he's got this guy pay, these fighting is create a hard not to That he means the first one sure I'm here to take you home on february, twenty seconds, jet. Mcbride was ordered to stand trial outside of core. His lawyer said that he was mortifying in very concerned about Mr Neil. She also said add, as reported by the fresno, be he told the text still kind grabbed his arm or the steering. This was not in tension or act, and it was not motivated by rates one april. Fourth, two thousand thirteen jap mcbride pleaded

guilty by reason of insanity after com. When viral he continued travelling the country it was said Did fans allowed him to stay in their home? They locked him. They hear that person out, you did He had a very infectious personality. You know if you watch some of the video, especially the one. Then we really viral, whereas it is being interviewed, it really comes on. this kind of surfer dude meets? I don't even know what he is he's late by using yo, this kind of swaying and also saying these really positive thing like we mentioned earlier on, may sixteen vice published an interview with Kai, where he talked about here, background and what he had been doing recently. So this guy blue love right

that's kind of what happens a lot of times when something goes viral. What people wanna. Do interviews with you, they want to know more about. You may want to find out what you doing now hi claim that he was raised in a fundamentalist christian call. He left to live. on a reservation and then was where he earned the name car. He said that he had spent the past two years of his life living in sailboats houseboats going out surfing on islands hopping in cars with people I didn't know in travelling, the country, jumping off cliffs and lakes, going the music festivals, playing music and parks, just random spontaneous awesome all the time, that's what he said autumn all the time, but this kind of sound like What does sound phone? What sounds like a life with no responsibility here in your just out doing you know,

that you want to do, and people giving you things are put. Nea Kai also talked about his travels in how his home free message had reached others, but then in may to thousand was thirty. Thirteen made the news for a different reason. He was charged with murder on may thirteenth of that year. Seventy three year old, joseph alfie june, a lawyer from Clark new jersey was found dead in his home. Gaddafi was apart during the law, firm of Kaczynski, baron and galaxy in raw way new jersey. Gaddafi was also the attorney for the green burke land use board and a member of the clerk chamber of commerce one now fees, acquaintances told the star ledger that his clients trusted him. He said he was just a regular guy. One neighbour reported dad, he had lived in his house for fifteen or twenty years and cap to himself. This neighbour

also said that he shared the house with another man, but he died several years before gout, so What happened was that the police went to this guy's house to do a welfare check because he didn't What for work that monday and he wasn't answering his phone? There were no signs of forced entry or any evidence that anything was taken from the home he was found lying in bed where in only his underwear and sock, this guy guy's a partner in a law firm. If he doesn't show up to work, it's going to raise some concerns right. He may be as some client meetings he's doing court, but somebody would probably have a record of azure and then there I think when you know he doesn't call, and then he doesn't answer his foe, This is not a teenager who makes the decision

the blow off a shifted talk about no or You, with some of your lame excuses that you used to have don't be late can't make it in the day the cats gatt bring war I don't know you had all kinds of strange they now I was very respectable employee. Your respective bore an autopsy determine that gaddafi died of blunt for strong. He was in a pool of blood. He had fractures to his face, broken ribs and a broken neck. According to these star ledger at us, some rough injuries yeah, I mean, I think, when you go through that list yet huge. You can use the term blunt for strong, but when you think about fractures to the facebook and ribs any broken neck.

Really adds to. This was a vicious attack Mcgill worry was arrested on the evening. May sixteen two thousand thirteen at a greyhound bus terminal in philadelphia in county new jersey, prosecutor, Theodore roman cow see, arrest hours after he told reporters that Kai was wanted from her. So didn't long for them to figure this He was arrested three days after gaddafi was found dead. She said that kind Gaddafi had a chance meeting at times square in new,

city on saturday may Eleventh Kai spent the night in gaol fees home in cork, new jersey about twenty miles west of new york city. The next day, gaddafi drove Kai to a train station any took a train to asbury per new jersey. They texted throughout the day. Gaddafi picked him up at the train station in the evening and they were turned to his home for a second night, and then official said that gaddafi was killed. Some time on sunday made the twelve. It was said that car turned up at a restaurant and clark late on the twelve. The prosecutor said that, after the kill, Kai called a woman and asked her to pick him up, but she could he took it ain't asbury park in he and the woman a lunch together on the thirteenth they spent the day in philadelphia. Then went to her home town of glass, Barone new jersey. She wanted to stay in our home, but

her family resisted, so she called another woman who allowed kind. Stay in her home in glass per the next day, Kai left, philadelphia and indicated that he was going to georgia. So really think about it. He was a hero. Three nine months ago, yeah, I n you that's the thing that really got me about this worry. This guy went from no one really knowing who he was to a lot of people. Doing who he was, and you maybe admiring him for what he he did, calling him a hero to people saying that he was a murder in span of about three months or so very quickly very quickly. But other thing that the jump down to me was that it did seem as though he there had a network of people.

Who you're willing to take him in. I don't know how much of that came because of his fifteen minutes of fame. I don't know I'm going to guess it played a good role. I it probably played a pretty big part because, like even you, this woman, that they talked about, I no, how well they knew each other if they had known each other for some time or the meeting and the invitations tail. I resulted from the fact that the sky was, you, know, kind of famous at the time. Oh yeah, you get invited over people's house all the time. I don't go, but you get invited. I do get invited It was said that kai cut his hair before he was arrested, any posted a picture of himself on facebook and

If you look at that interview that he's in he's got like a lot of hair is go got along with down flowing, give locks down to his shoulders. Maybe maybe look longer it's kind of hard to tell you. Pulled up and something in that video by things that we can do with our here. It does seem strange. to me when somebody makes such a radical change in appearance after something happens in between the time before their ultimately arrested yeah. What is it? and me, is it me bad? They don't want to be recognised that trying to change there, parents or is it just a quick Sudan's and he got tired of having that long hair. I don't think he was on purpose, but that's it It seems that we are right obviously, that hair took a little bit to grow out. Will you know we value here here? We do so any those of us who are follicles chow and yet we value hair grey.

Deal to me and just seem like it was part of his image. So the fact that he caught it really kind of means a lot on may fourteen high posted on facebook, alleging that he was raped and strangers house. There are some very graphic descriptions in the following quote: he wrote: what would you do if you woke up? with a groggy head metallic taste in your mouth, and a strangers house walked to the mere in seeing come dripping from the side of your face from your mouth, and started retching realising that someone had drugged, raped in blown their load in you. What would you do? Okay, he posted this on facebook it'll be rough. That would be very rough if he experienced what he wrote in this facebook post. Now. I think it's a big

this case right? Did this happen, the way that he says it did or did not we'll talk about it? more? You know. I've seen in the trial and and things like that, after Kai was announced as a suspect. The authorities were flooded with calls from around the country. According to the prosecutor, one man called and reported that his neighbor said she dropped kai offered to train station in new jersey. Earlier that day, then a call came in reporting that a starbucks employ in philadelphia just saw a man that look like I. He was your found at the bus terminal and arrest. The prosecutor said that authorities weren't sure of a possible motive, but in that Here's believed the two men had a sexual relationships and the prosecutor came out pretty much said he dismissed keyser facebook post saying it was pretty much self service. According to the toronto,

stop, so he's not really mincing words. He sang you know what he wrote isn't true right. He wrote it because he is trying to set up yeah yeah can set up what would later become his defence according to a two thousand. Sixteen article by this, star ledger. Kai said in a recorded statement after his arrest that at galaxy's home he drank several beers and ate food that he believes was drugged. He passed out and woke up on the floor. Gao Fe was pulling down his pants. He pushed gallery away and then he passed out again. Then he woke up with a metallic taste in his mouth and semen. On his face. He said that he hit galvin during the statement

they seem surprised to hear that gaddafi was dead, so not too hard to see what both sides are setting up for at trial right. The prosecution is gonna, come out and say, sexual relationships. Wrong. Something happen, Kai, killed this man, guys defence is gonna, be that he was protecting himself he'd been drugged. He raped and he hit this guy. But he didn't know that he killed accord official sad, I had a: u s: emigrations and customs enforcement detain her for three arrests in canada spokesmen here older, told p unmade seventeen that ice lodged in retainer against Kai saying once charges are fully the kid he will be turned over the eyes in play.

In removal proceedings. So Canada wants this guy yeah. It sounds like he had done some stuff there. They wanted to possibly prosecute him as well after keyser rest jet mcbride lawyer allege that mcbride said it was caught. Remove the steering wheel towards the p genie work. True, rather a good way to come out for your client yeah. and maybe Mcbride said. That is a true. Is it not true? I dont know that the murder charge for the thought that he murdered this man means that he had to do with the accident, but it does cloud things. Maybe a little didn't and it sounds like. Maybe that's what the is trying to do right cloud things up a little on may thirtieth, two thousand and thirteen kai was extradited to new jersey. He thanked his supporters during the walk,

the court house to the jail usa today reported that when a reporter reference, the facebook post and asked if what happened was self defense. Kai said: what do you think On the morning of July, seventy kai was sent to the hospital for treatment of selfish collected, but non life threatening injury. One of Kai supporters told the star ledger than he had talked to other support. To reported that guy was in good spirits. It was said that supporters had raised over two thousand dollars for him, so he hasn't got up One is corn here. Yet last supporters are believed in him, and you know it is kind of horror when you watch them. Interview online, you know you see this affable what seems to be kind of a care free guy, so it's hard, Can I put that together with some mighty? Who would murder you know a man in his second

Now. We know people are capable of all kinds of things, but my thought is his supporters couldn't square it. They thought that what he said was true that he was defending himself. Anti has made it easier than ever to connect with skilled professionals to get all your home projects done. Well just bring them your projects online or with the anti app and answer a few questions with Andy. You can book instantly at an up front price or requesting compare clothes from multiple prose, so you can find the best price for your project so the next time you have a home project, just angie. and start getting the most out of your home download the free. Angie mobile app today or visit angie dot com. That's a n g! I dot com. My parents there is then this means murder, yeah

We think the killers somebody michel soldier investigating, maybe I should lend a hand in our colours, sometimes insert themselves in turn. Must patients One of many me a steve, Martin, martin short Selena Gomez, with Paul Rudd and meryl streep, I'm telling the cops. How do you call the cops? Do would you just Google glass only murders and the building now stream, only on hulu, jet mcbride trial started on december, tend to thousand thirteen cry was not a witness at his trial, but the court heard his testimony from the preliminary hearing, the fresno be reported that mcbride testified. They thought he was Jesus and never intended to her anyone when he put his hands on racial neely, he was trying to heel. He claimed that He didn't intentionally drive into the workers. He lost consciousness for a few seconds after Kai punched him in the face and took command.

The wheel, some my thought it is you, like. We said all this hat in like a three month span of time mcbride hand human gone to try. Yet but this guy who was with you, is getting go on trial for murder yeah. So now he put me in the face he took coriander the wheel saying it happened or didn't happen. We weren't there what I I'm saying, is it seems to me is, though many more people might possibly believe that, right after that person, ino is charged with murder. without you have a better defence rights rather than trying to pin it on this guy who everybody seems to love right because he stepped in and he was a hero We're not a hero anymore. You ve, been charged with murder, rape, prosecutor, Becky gone told the jury that they had to decide if Mcbride intentionally drove towards the workers

with the intent to kill someone on January six. Two thousand forty fourteen jack mcbride was found not guilty of attempted murder in battery but was convicted of us all with a deadly weapon. You're still had delivering on whether or not mcbride was not guilty Reason of insanity, which would determine his sensing on very same day, high, pleaded not guilty at his reign like this, is going on like sign the same time, on january. Sixteen a jury found that jet bride was legally and say when he hit the p genie employs three doctors all said that mcbride suffered a psychotic episode during the incident. Doctors testified that mcbride believed he influenced events such as the resignation of Hillary Clinton and pope Benedict the sixteen, and that he believed the government was tracking

his attorney told the court that he suffers from bipolar manic disorder and did not intend to hurt anyone. So we don't have every kid bid from mcbride trial down, but you did have three doctors, all kind of saying the same thing, I'm sure that was big for the the jury. Whatever else was introduced last you at the end of the day, they came to the conclusion that he was legally in saying at the time. This all happen on February. Twenty two thousand for in Jan Mcbride was sentenced up to nine years at a task at arrow state hospital if he was still considered dangerous after nine years prosecutors. Competition to keep him confined longer means as long as he gets things straight now. It's a pretty good deal for him. Yeah, you mean, gets the help he needs yeah. If he you know really.

is having the the mental issues that that he said he had and it's it's nine years guaranteed. You know I don't have any problem with that. No now the ones that I have a problem with tat we ve done in maybe they're older cases where someone was found legally insane at the time that they killed someone they get out my like three months, because the hospital says are all better right that that's that's tough. To swap oh really an end even tougher, if you're the family I get it, the person might have been sick actors, are saying they were sick at the time, but now while better in three months in you they're, they're, free that that's that's tough. When, when that happens, he added there needs to be a better balance. so that when they think there probably is today I mean I I do think a lot of the ones I'm referencing happened. You know years and years ago, while japanese,

I went to trial less than a year after the assault. It will take several more years for kyle to go to trial for murder in two thousand fifteen, his supporters, posted a letter that he wrote to governor Chris Christine stated. How can I be expected to pay my innocence win the prosecutor. gets rid of any evidence I could use to show. I was bending myself from a drunk facilitated sexual assault, the union county prosecutor's office seems to think, because I'm an indigent illegal immigrant from Canada, they can violate my procedural rights without consequence. This is an outrage this letter Posted on line is part of a petition seeking ties really so again, and still has a lot of supporters people backing him was he had that fame behind them? Right, though, evident here that he wouldn't have the support? Well, no because people would know who he worries

I requested help with this case and claim that law enforcement failed to use a rape kit and did not collect samples for toxicological analysis. He said they failed to collect many items that could have been used to drug me from the house or samples from the carpet where they knew the assault occurred. What items that work? Acted were rinsed with fresh water, while testing for fingerprints without ever once, testing for dna or drug residence. I don't know why people would be rinsing things with with water, but either way Is it necessary in the fingerprint testing process? Maybe I'm not very knowledgeable about how fingerprints work, but I'm thinking show, or movie I've ever seen, em rents, some with water before trying to take fingerprints leastwise I've given yes haven't, might have not been no water involve no water. Vault

over the years. I'm sure you ve gone through all the the changes from the other put your thoughts on the impact and roll led to Prague now, what do you do? Lately? Digital digital propagandism, very interesting what I will say that there is a database out there you're in it, for for all kinds of different thing. dna finger prints, hair samples, I'm gonna, give her your her fischer in two thousand. Sixty kai file lawsuits and stay federal court. He claimed that he was never examined for sexual assault, even though he told the police, he was assaulted. After he was arrested claimed is right to do. Process was violated through destruction of evidence in failure to collect evidence. The suit stated that authorities ignored statements from two witnesses who said he

I appeared under the influence of drugs on made twelve in these statements were not presented to the grand jury, the suit, also did that seamen was found on gaol fees underwear, but the prosecutor told the grand jury. No seamen was that. So we have some conflict information, but don't we always hear the process Fusion says one thing: the and is saying something else and pretty much. They always contradict each other, that's kind of how you know most trial. Work when I will say, is by two thousand sixteen march The online support for Kai had decreased. There is even an article by the star ledger that kind of talk all about that. Surely stronger. I told the outlet did. She was astonished at how long kind was awaiting trial? The prosecutor's office declined to come on why the case had not yet gone too.

You does seem like a long time right, we're three years on yeah. He still has gone to trial. On march, twenty seven two thousand seventy caused the fence attorney said that he was acting in self. Defense against a sexual assault. hearing on emotion to dismiss the cakes defence ernie. John cited argued that prosecutors presented evidence to the grandeur. There was not relevant in prejudicial in prosecutors, failed present evidence supporting kai self defense claim, so the game is still being played, yeah I don't think the game ever stops until you know everything's exhausted now. What I will say is that I found this last statement. A little strange re prosecutors failed to present evidence supporting kai self defense climb. Why would the prosecution present evidence that makes them look not guilty

they have evidence and they don't disclose it to the defence tee. That's something right! That's a brain is Brady violation, so problem, but it sounds like you saying they didn't bring certain things up in court, but why would they? The defense should be bringing yeah? That's the that's the defense job yeah. So I I don't I'm wasn't sure if they were really saying that the prosecution withheld evidence, because that that obviously is is a big deal said. Oh said that the police found evidence that gylfi viewed websites with adult content had passwords for websites on his computer and had contact information for young men, evidence of sexual activity at the house, psycho said kai was finding off a sexual assault in that info. Asian was never presented to a grander assistant prosecutor. Scott Petersen said there was no evidence suggesting a struggle with the house

so here again I I got a little bit confused. They found evidence that this guy viewed adult websites. that in no way seems to be evidence that a sexual assault occurred. No, the fact that he had passed words for websites on his computer or had contact information for young men. None of those three to me seem to be evidence that a sexual assault occur. But it sounds like the defence attorney you saying that it was and it should have been presented to a to a granger? I dunno about that. You know what I mean the guy watching porn as long as it's not illegal porn right, ok, meaning is an order guy. So these chatted upper looking at things what the young men now boy Why were we mean by young men, bright twenties?

So still, let's all legal, there is evidence of sexual activity. The house again, that's not illegal Y know doesn't absolutely mean sexual assault. So yeah, I was a little confused about the defences claim. That all of this was evidence. Psycho also said the prosecutors toward her grand jury about a printed list of sex offenders found in kind duffel bag and they made him out to be a vigilante seeking out sexual preference. Ok, so I'll say the same thing: Even if this guy did have a printed list of sex offenders, does it mean that he's going around killing them? No, I do think it's a little strange to have a printed list of sex offenders in the area, but well you know the guy said he was abused as a kid and even you know late teens.

you're right seventeen would he have a list possibly of people to stay away from? Maybe you can make that organ by I think I just one cannot say the same thing about both sides to me. You can make it into evidence, but it doesn't seem to prove what theirs saying that improves? I I'm not seeing it that way. Guys trial finally began. Opening statements on April knife- two thousand nineteen. Don't think. There is any doubt about the main issue at trot Hi self defense climb it? Wasn't it How did he hit this guy? What was it Now was why, in the context of what happened I maintain that he acted in self defense after he was assaulted. Twice prosecutors argue dead.

Hi admitted his involvement and attempted to flee the state. The defence pointed out the mishandling of evidence in the case for law enforcement officers testified about how they secured the scene and collected, and Lord evidence, the defence focused on evidence that was not collect, such as pills found in the fridge bloodstained carpet. and a glass in the dishwasher, those outside the defences fast. Circling around me. Something was put in the drink. Yes, yeah yeah. I- and I think that that's what they you know were thinking he was dropped and then he was sexually assaulted. Ky testified on April seven you two thousand ninety nineteen and the star ledger reported on his testimony. Kai said that he engulfing met in. Front of the red lobster in times square gulfy drove him to his home to spend the night at the

I'll, say dinner and had some drinks before they went to sleep in separate rooms. Then I said he woke up with the metallic taste and bodily fluids in his mouth. The next day gallery. drove Kai to the railway train station, he contacted gylfi again at night when he had nowhere else to go. Gylfi brining back to his house. He poured a beer for tie into a glass out of the this in the car. The next thing I remember, was waking up in finding that is were pulled down and gouty was on top of it. He pushed him away in gaol feast Turning to the ground in started, finding and humping cry started. Hidden. punching in kicking him, while Gaddafi attempted to perform oral sex on high testified. He was suffocating me. I thought he was going to kill me so you? I do think, there's a couple of things here to talk about

number one. I don't want to treat time. Any differently than I would treat a one sure who said this is what happened to right, because I do think it's very dangerous too. You, automatically dismiss any ones claims that they were sexually assaulted. When I did find a little bit strength was that He woke up after a night where he felt he was assaulted. Let this guide taking to the train station, came back again that the next in the night was exactly what I was thinking of. If you wake up and you have that taste and you know there's something occurred and you ll allow him to take. You really want to go and by your own choice? Return

to where you say, you're assaulted. It makes you scratch your head right. It does now, it doesn't mean if you did do that, you deserve to be assaulted. Again again, I'm not saying now, I'm say, and I know you're not saying that either what I I'm saying is, it does seem like a very strange decision to me. Why put yourself with that position right of EU view need a place to stay when I just go somewhere else, because we know that he knew he was used to being on the road. Yes, some free, as he halted S and one I just in a different place. Instead of going back to this guy's house and then the other thing that then I think- and I caught my attention that we probably should talk about was that the sky was seventy. years old, now, I'm not saying seventy some euro guys aren't strong and couldn't were power. A twentysomething you're,

but normally you would think the odds would favour. You know. A young guy is twenty twenties right. We lose muscle, we lose strength as we get older, but if he was drunk as he claimed he was then you have to. After that in his were kai, said he hit gao and ran away. He said he must have blacked out in didn't, remember, changing clothes or leaving the home. He testified tat. He came to a parking lot and went to a diner in court. He threw his foe now because, according to him, as mo my urine, because as he yearned aided in his pants during the alleged assault, yet a flashback of gaddafi on top of but prosecution pointed out that, while Kai was at the time he took pictures with fan the prosecution also played phone conversations with his friend kim burns. Kai said that he told burns

was day raped when she picked him up, he lied and said he contacted the police, but he did because he feared deportation I said he didn't realize. Gaddafi was dead and plan to confront him the next day to a couple of things here, either out according to him, because you're unaided on it right now view the prosecution. You would argue that he threw it out because he didn't want to be tractor, didn't want the police to find him and then, You know this kind of revelation that he's at the diner taking pictures with his fame. Well, what is emmy well must not be that traumatized. I think you can make that argument. I think the prosecution would make them argument, the defence would probably come back and say you he was just trying to be as normal as possible, not upset his fans, or you know whatever

or that it this doesn't mean anything? It doesn't mean that he wasn't assaulted. The process fusion, pointed out the kaiser. Testimony was different from his statement. Back in two thousand thirteen high accuse process. there's a lie infringing on its sixth amendment right, and not allowing him to provide context you're in there one of the things in trials that new you notice. A lot just answer the question and just yes or no quite they don't want you to go on and provide contacts, no keep it short and simple yeah because they don't want you, they try to explain. Things are what they are asking questions in a very certain way, trying to paint you in a corner, one of them Our witnesses trial was denied shake from the division of the county, medical examiner. He testified that gap.

He had serious blunt force, injuries to his face neck chest in arms, which were inconsistent with self too and we can of laid out those injuries and said they sounded like a very brutal attack yeah. Now. What does self defense me? Well, that's gonna vary from court to court right yeah, I don't know I mean. Does it mean You're only allowed to hit someone hard enough to allow you to escape or does it you can incapacitate that I I don't know and, unlike you said, it may vary by jurisdiction. For me, it means, I gotta do whatever I do too like I'm no longer endanger yes, and I would say most people would would say that. But I think there is an argument to be made prosecution can make an argument that this was much more than self defense you didn't have to,

beat this man this many times this hard, inflict these many injuries for you to feel safe and get away. You killed him right as we mentioned previously. Gylfi was found in the blood with fractures to his face. He had broken ribs and broken prosecutor said his injuries were so far from self defense. It's not even fun according to these star legit, but first of all, none of this is funny. No. Never. So that seems like a strange statement, may prosecutors also argued that kai had no visible injuries at the diner in his behaviour did not reflect some one. Who had been sexually assaulted again? me there's a there's a little bit of a grey area there. I agree with you whenever you start to talk about How someone should or shouldn't act

in the wake of X, ray weather, is that half of a loved one war? You know being sexually assaulted. Is everyone going to react war the same way and my thought is not, of course not, but I understand what you're trying to they're trying to say that a man who had just gone through what kai said he went through wouldn't be it. The diner young lad laughing in and taking pictures with fans? That's what they're trying to get a great year now, whether that right or wrong. That's all love to the jury, nor have they way all this stuff. What does it mean to them? yeah, because really, at the end of the day, that's all the matters to it comes down to it. We can talk about it, but it's, what the jury makes of all of it together, not one piece right: the testing

only from both sides in totality in his closing argument. John psycho toll jurors that galaxies death couldn't have been first remoter because there was no struggle in important pieces of evidence were not tested, so that's strange statement. You know he sang the defence attorney saying there was no struggle. Well, he's he's leaning into the the the prosecution a little bit to try to say it. Could it can be first degree trying to get a lesser murder charge why It sounds like that. I'm not saying the guy gave ah, but maybe he's hedging his beds is not looking good. So, let's go. Let's go this route. The state argued that kai returned gaddafi's house after the first sexual assault. They also pointed out differences between his statements and we too, What about both of those things? But you know they're going to hammer again in closing, argued and I'll be.

As with you, I think, if I was on the the jury, this returning to the scene, yeah can be a problem is, is going to be hard to square. Why would you do that on April twenty worth, two thousand and nineteen time the delivery was found guilty of first degree, murder after the verdict, the kai, the hitchhiker legal support. Page on facebook posted that an appeal would be filed as soon as possible. Ky called his attorney john sideshow ineffective, in claimed he had been documenting proof of misconduct, abuse of discretion and ineffectiveness of defence counsel. According to an j d got me, I mean we hear that all the time I once you Lou, once you're found guilty. Then you're lorries appeal, I m sure I mean that's basically almost a given is so is like what you have to

Maybe there is a lawyer that times it s. Sorry, sorry key and I couldn't get you off, make this statement and get it. the returning way and we ve seen in certain documentaries where attorneys had said it is bad is, it is for me, you're gonna have to do the right, because it's just part of the process or next step in your next step may thirty of two thousand nineteen kai was sense of fifty seven years in prison, His appeal was rejected on august fourth, two thousand twenty one. The appeals court stated that gaol fees injuries were the result of far more than just an effort to thwart a sexual advance and the record does not suggest a miscarriage of justice occurred. On january, tenth, two thousand twenty three netflix released a documentary titled, the hatchet wielding hitchhiker about

before the documentary from you tie reached out to the tab and accused netflix. Of exporting. He said in an email to the outlet, so Netflix is making, movie about my life story. For I was arrested, but they refuse to pay me anything. for if someone made a movie about oj, simpsons football career, you'd, better believe he'd be making bank off of it who kill and rape women get money for their pre arrest faint, but I saved one from being killed. and allegedly killed a rapist, so Netflix is ruthlessly exporting. But the fact that was his statement sour about all this, I they you sour about a lot of things being in prison. Probably number one: In this documentary comes out in this That seems to be more about the fact that they are not paying yeah not about. I was accuse wrongfully.

The un and maybe I'm sure he made those statements and in other places, but this one just makes it sound like he's peeved, because they didnt pay. Show me the money. Yes, show me the money, I you know Thanks also did one on air and her name said the football player. sure they didnt pay Aaron Hernandez, doubted. Why would they you don't pay killers to do a documentary about them? Also they would like that But yeah I mean. Maybe if you were to interview them, I guess sometimes people people pay a fee, but even most journalists won't do that because they find it trashy. I think some of the laws prevented yeah, probably, but as we wrap this one up gibbs, you know I I had. I think this is a very fascinating

in case and there's? No doubt it's fascinating to a lot of people. You know the guy goes viral for kind of being the hero, saving people, but then, just a few months later is arrested for murder convicted. So I think you said it he. You know he went from hero to zero now the one thing that we we talked about early on, but we haven't, touched on again and it's something that that a lot of people bring up is his shout now. I don't think there's any doubt based on the statements that have been made, that the guy had a rough child. And by rough I dont know if it's been confirmed but it does sound lie. At the very least, there was possible sexual and physical abuse. Now? What did that ultimately? Do

him, I dont know. Does it excuse murder? I would say no, it's horrible! It is horrible that something like out what happened to anyone you can excuse murder, but do you have the way? And I think you do- I think you have to weigh all kinds of factors whether its what people experience in childhood, what type of mental Illnesses they may have right, you get away all of it all comes into play for sure, but at the end of the day you know what I struggle with is when it comes right down to it. How do you know who's telling the truth and in whose not, obviously we know what he said happened right? The jury, Didn't didn't buy and I think you them easily make the argument that a lot of the evidence doesn't support it. But can you

say with one hundred percent certainty that it didn't I dont know that anybody can do that Can it was only to people there, but I think real were heard his case was it he went back to the house again. I think that was big. I don't have. That would have been. the turning point or the saving the case for him, but it didn't help now. I think the jury looked at that and in and probably thought this doesn't line up with what you said hap right because why would you go back? If you know what hat? What you said, happened really happen and then you're the prosecution, I think, did a good job of a painting or laying it out to the jury that the injury these were far more severe yeah there, and someone who's

finding themselves from now they used the word sexual advance. Even the court did in and I would say sexual saw because that's what he's clean in writing. Whatever it was, I mean a broken neck. You know: facial fractures, broken ribs, just a lot of blood force. Try my thought is the jury. Probably looked at all that inside this guy was incapacitated way before many of these blows were even inflicts her here oh, I don't want to try to get into their heads too much, but I think you have to little bed and again at the end, aid the jury as we say they were there, they sat through a day after day They heard all the evidence and they they came to their conclusion. You gonna live that, until something comes out to disputed, mid accuracy being deserve actor

vengeance. You know I mean he goes through life being assaulted no raped at seventeen, and maybe what happened that night before got him about at me said you know what I'm going to go back to the house, I'm going to take care of this yeah. I see your point there now and so, instead of being on the defense, he just went in there and just so. If that were the case, it doesn't make it right. Obviously anything that happened to him for that put it down. Well, he doesn't make it right that you go back and kill some exactly now go to the police. You can do a lot of different things, but if it's not self defense, you can't go back with the intent to take your revenge. You just can't do it. You can. But that said, for our case on Ty mcgill, very we've got some voicemails. You can check those out here, hi guy,

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