19-year-old Madeline Jones and her 8 month old son, William, disappeared from their Mesa, Arizona home on June 15th, 2017. You heard their story in Episode 92. After that episode aired, Madeline's parents were arrested. Just a few days later, Maddie and William were located. William has been reunited with his father and I spoke with Jacob last week to catch-up on the current status of the case.
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This was a right around the sea time period that they disappeared according to those documents,
grandmother S. Lady was so man could want clear her head that, firstly to fleece they comply with the sea has requested a day were pay one hundred dollars in cash or their involvement can see and returns, and her husband, a bully jones, are currently custody.
Nineteen year old madeline jones and eight month old son millions disappeared from their mesa, arizona home on june, fifteenth, two thousand and seventeen. You heard them,
story in episode. Ninety two just a week after the
episode aired metals. Parents were
still while attempting to border flight at the phoenix sky harbour international airport. At that point, all the time
those were beginning to fall and the truth behind the disappearance of mattie and william was about to be exposed.
and this is episode. One hundred and one of the vanished the story of
baby william, was found in the consequences
jones family is now facing for me,
Pleading law enforcement with their elaborate seem to have
the cheering custody with williams, father Jacob,
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If you haven't listened episode. Ninety two about the disappearance of madeline jones and baby, william pauses here and go listen to that. First.
I planned on taking this week off for the holiday. But I thought it would be a great week to air an update on this story, because it's one of the few that have covered with a positive ending it, something for us all to be thanked.
four and also gives us hope that possibly other cases will end on a positive note as well. I had the chance to catch up with Jake
last week to learn a little bit more about the status of this case and how little williams doing so after them,
episode. The aired there was a huge break in this case. One day
I was scanning through my facebook feed and this video popped up around
through just got great new everybody grey
here's the main suppliers as cod. They found
marion, william
matters in custody where the cps his well and say there
Having to give me more, details are gonna.
we're on our way to pick him up
and found his safe and he's
we're home soon. Thank you. So much for all your support and and
awareness, that'll, help help him phenomenon
bring him home and and.
I'll, give you more information, as I find it by but he's been found.
and you come along
and are really excited and just got this news
minutes ago, so try to
be informed, as happens in
run a waiter to go, get em, but his wife-
saving, and that's all I know
Are we love you? Thank you for the prayers. Thank you for the thoughts the
in other words, how bring them home. Thank you so much when I spoke to Jacob
Told me a little bit more about this lead that came in that lead them to finding william. After the van and the podcast, we have a huge surge in influx of people on the on the group
I would ask the twelve thousand members really incredible: the outrage that
the show had and the and shortly shortly after that, a couple of weeks later, the the lady who drove madeleine my ex wife him and my son
back in june, who have them hideaway tonight? He came forward and said, look better than I do in california
can further the plaything, enter their information and then her pants
Rowan Cassandra Jones
attempting to leave the state getting on applying the texas
when they were apprehended airport, overburden the plan and for their britain
they and entreat elevator madeline
My son will look in san, diego california, Jacob tell me what it was like for him to get there.
often the police, letting them know that his son was found safe. I got a call from america police department.
Well and madeline is in custody and your son will remain of child protective services and you can come pick them up, and that was the best
Phone I've had a long time
so I welcome news and we ve been waiting for a month and a half a marker that point not night, my father,
not knowing where he was and then finally giving up.
call. It he's all right and healthy and wound.
And so we
I live on, hold me ray and then tried the fine plans
san diego is a good, pretty crazy
boy sitting here and far away
literally driving like five miles an hour and update trying to get through the air.
Or is it my will enter the took a few hours ago. We got whereby held up ethics in the morning on
third got fanny ago, and I got to be reunited with one in the afternoon. The glorious and he's been with me every day
when round about the time this woman, who had come
forward with the information had been a long time friend of Cassie jones, whose maggie's mother for
long time, cassie and manipulated this woman into believing the stories that she'd manufactured once a true
Started coming out in all of the documents were made public in the facebook group. She said
To see what was really going on, maddie's parents were arrested at the airport just day.
before william was located in California, mary and her.
parents spent weeks in jail, but we're all recently released when I spoke to Jacob last week
cassie was the only one who had not been released yet, and he told me what he was doing to prepare for her hearing. You have a pre trial here and coming up with my treat her. He asks for a bond reduction answer
I'm done with with roland and mary is a bigger impact statement that show that have been affected
I think that thereby not very distant and obviously meaning that this week by air there, a bunch of pre trial start coming up. Do you talk to the prosecutor a week or two ago
and because there are three co defendants from the same home, because the police report is so extensive, almost six hundred pages of evidence and material, it could take half a year before the final trial happen,
im so that down the road a little bit, but the people can come to that when it comes to the
Jacob is up in montana, with his family, his letter was read by
someone else during cassius hearing. I think his letter is very power.
and any outlines the most important things that you need to know about this case.
States objectives, any modification release after the same reasons before three co defendants.
You go Jones post. The flight risk and she's demonstrated unwillingness to evade launch
make contact through the nature of the offence
Mister raymond is here to read a statement from Jacob governor
More is up in montana is definitely the following statement.
I begging the court to start a joke spell and at least turns out to be modified.
Was missing severely for months because of a plot she came up with. My ex wife has told the court that she only left
because that is what the mother decided
to do this,
at least for domestic violence, and she is
both husband and children. It will be vital.
The integrity of this case.
Sandra, had electronic monitoring and if she doesn't get a lot be around for my daughters, were witnesses in this case Jesus
it'd be led to the point. She convinced her adult daughter meant multiple crimes, including a felony
Sandro arranged and pay the getaway ground drove growth. My ex wife and son out of the state
This says a taxi driver said miss browning
having abducted and armed my ex wife and son later dishonor would attempt
the same driver. What she had done.
The sovereign knew all the. Why exactly where my ex wife meddling in my youth and sun William? Were they didn't?
This did not suffer from wife, police, the media clergy.
Rose. She records
we went when she had a confirmation from god and my baby torture.
There.
It's told everyone that alien vipers were responsible for battle and in Williams, torture,
the day was missing, Cassandra research, Israel should serve
sir.
A medicine is bombing vomiting
multiple farmers, ok,
I know she poison. My son, by using medicine, is laid on the same day. She reported to the police,
baby, was throwing multiple tabs
claim that I gave my baby, something to make himself where she would report
actually the times that day, I have no doubt she would go even poisoning.
I saw to fit the narrative she was pushing, she is cold and calculated in the depths of ferguson.
what my son was missing. Cassandra went so far as participate in online raises persons.
Asked them friends and family donate money to
investigators the way.
I do she accept thousands
those under false pretences.
Investigators have been higher, had many weeds, there was,
Besides, it was still the monitor.
Yeah,
why is it volunteers, from the pub find my ex wife and baby, had put up regularly
involve buyers,
my daughter, returned the illness.
Public support.
hasn't children.
But she is now grass. I feel
the sounded shitty a lot
my children, not only will the integrity of the children
Decided tat burned with other witnesses as well the woman
got my ex wife their day she went missing was caused by cassandra is what she
and should not sell police.
Is all of phone decided,
Britain has witnessed that the witness would end up in jail if she said anything.
It sounded like a church congregation claiming that the family had knowing how the church,
in house payments in utilities all the while she and her husband brought in thirteen
well for months in a row. They then use this money.
Meddling and my son,
Sorry, I was apprehended while trying to board a plane
certainly
cassandra was able to participate,
what
My fear is that the is not to say
She will once again be able to manipulate someone to participate in hurting my son me and my family, as it is
it was later my next white metal is not under electronic monitoring is no. She is like politics.
What's this
this matter once again
some argue that she does not have mobility by, however, protest
It's not even the reduced bail very next day
both her and her husband, Roland and his daughter, Marilyn rid of it easily meet the cash requirements. If it is true,
if it did not have the funds available, then with me
someone else given money. Therefore, the sun despair climate of use,
I'm sorry they're fortunate, because this failed requirement gives me most likely will not for money on the line
the use of other people's money. She didn't
I care what the impact of the loss of that money is on, others
There's no doubt in my mind that, if available reduced and quickly met
what she showed she is so low in incapable.
I have family friends, clergy law or enforcement, and this court he will continue to the temple
a family friends. Testimony timid
he always does.
as for what it was. They will face my wrath thinking about it now. Thank you.
The state is objecting. If you are considering lowering the bond, we ask that should be released. A retrial services with electoral monitoring, no co definite contacts should be postponed.
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all three
defendants are not allowed to have contact with each other any of the witnesses or victims.
Also required to where electronic monitoring devices in that clip from cassius hearing, you could hear a little.
of confusion over whether or not mattie had an electronic monitoring device. That was it
edition of her release, but due to a clerical error, she didn't get one just this past friday
She was ordered to turn herself in to have the monitor put on and she d
We have our own now during man
his hearing a couple weeks back, her attorney argued that she was just
but her mother had instructed her to do. This is probably just
very beginning of the finger pointing that we're gonna, see in this case
the interesting to read aloud. I think I'm gonna get gonna get pretty bad.
the throne allegation run was the outer about, but I think that the definitely definite,
be repercussions for everyone and justice, so that that will happen again. I m not the first person who, like they try to destroy.
there's a five hundred and forty nine page police report, and I'm going to include a linked to that in a show notes for anyone who like to read it and has the time to do so. The most
king revelation that I found in the police report was something that Jacob dimension in his letter, the apex europe,
for anyone who is familiar with what that. Is it something that you don't hear too much about anymore, but used to be used more frequently, parents were often encouraged
if a bottle of that syrup at home, just in case a child were to ingest poison, the syrup induces rapid, forceful vomiting.
So is something that you would only use in an emergency. The data Cassius
Where did that william threw up hundreds of times? Remember she
is blaming it on Jacob for giving him a bottle of formula natty tried repeatedly either to her
to get him to stop throwing happen, he was crying all time. Just this hundreds of times of throwing up, try heaves and on he continued to throw up and down and and the light I took him.
To add to the petitions office: okay and there they didn't, give him zofran or did they prescribe himself and no, they gave him zofran. He wouldn't stop throwing up for them either he just kept on trying up.
What we now know is that very day she had been researching a pickaxe europe
mine and even went as far as to call pharmacies asking if they carried the product. The family,
he would even consider giving an infant something to purposely make him sick is beyond disturbing how far this woman willing to go. That's a scary,
certain, and I'm not sure that I want to know the answer we can tell by the
five hundred and forty nine page police report that law enforcement was agreed.
fifthly investigating this case back an episode. Ninety two we,
to shore about how much was being done, because law enforcement wasn't saying much about what they were doing. Jacob explain to me why they kept him in the dark.
Now is one of the whole thing is after the disappearance they her family,
added accusing me of being involved like I kidnap them or murder them are just horrible thing, and so the police couldn't share information with me because I was on
I then came the thought they had to investigate and clear before it. Baby
now that I've been not knowing what the police were doing
I'm not knowing what they are the very many times I dunno
was happening. The cave,
what is being investigated.
That phone call on having that closure. That was good to hear that had been involved in the case of all time. Everything
I started researching this case for episode. Ninety two I've been very impressed with Jacobs attorney she's pushed
hard to keep this case moving long and when they were travelling to california to get william. She was posting. Facebook live updates for all of us to see
I can tell that she's invested in this case more than just your typical attorney client relationship. She actually cares who top notch yeah. I had a different attorney before back in march and on the path a year ago.
And I just thought like. The attorney was just talking over my head and I didn't know what was going on and didn't all the processes, but we switched over to biliteracy out of the
my attorney now and then the game changer, the pivotal peterson and helping their may get custody of my son
A man just you've been so involved a helping of subpoenas because, while they are missing, we subpoenaed their families by now,
your record and found record in this union
working so hard, and I wholeheartedly contribute my my funding counter her effort in the awareness that the group ga I just have one
before the it was more than just a business type of relationship like she is wholly invested in case and finding my thumb
she would with our failure, united at my fine and by those who said that
isn't that she became an attorney when she got to meet him and it just I dunno she's, wonderful, the other thing that was fairly unique to this case, but I think,
also played a huge part in its resolution. Was the facebook group, the people who run that group spent
countless hours, gathering, information and organizing it. This made it easy for them.
Who had doubts to read and understand their work was very
Helpful to me initially when I went to cover this case,
continued, my funding being that group and and our efforts
I didn't ask-
to do that alone on initiative that they started to face at durban.
Ironing out I've been on the news had a few times now answered,
also hearing about it and they weren't screwing him and your broadcasting.
the other than a tremendous job with the present here,
and I think I too agree that why the person came forward and further to the one that
took madeline and my son to California, I'm because of the pressure because of the online pressure the the people in the group like it were doing state
I ran around me, sir, and within our minds to and just
devoting their lives
and I'd never marry the madame I've just been blown away.
I didn't love and the poor and outrage that people have shown me pull pass man. I've been getting
baby, guess and mail again from people. Never even that, of course,
they employ them. Just really your kind words.
People who are trying to help our end, and- and it's really it's why. I appreciate that.
This whole legal battle that the Jones family has put Jacob through has been very costly, he's had higher attorneys private investigators and also cover,
travel expenses since he lives out of state. You.
see how a lack of financial resources could hold a case like this has been pretty. However, I am sure you are how to turn you for it:
a year and a half now I'm gone,
for a months and months and finally getting custody
bearing in mind all the man behind a pirate
after taken. The item has been a huge burden that
again, where I'm just so grateful for people who have helped and reads out and sent gifts or cards and prayers and thoughts. It's just been really uplifting.
Even though William has been found and reunited with Jacob, this isn't over yet another. There are several groups
that this could have gone on for years and years? He may
They never heard, may have never been founded on trial
I was able to get over when it did, and I mean I still have things to. Faith are still gone to their trials, and I'm supposed to be
at present, I will determine shown by the fact that in fact, but for now
make up for lost time and lebanon. The first episode that I did about
this case shocked. So many of you who listened, I was
he's by the amount of people who reached out to me and shared their own stories stories of terrible custody battle.
laws and also having a former spouse or partner take off with their children.
One time I felt really alone
and then I too outrage: hey,
than to a similar situation. I'm contract ass, you got out, and
and I have no clue like how our common not fairly my black situation- is that how come and discuss the issues were anything like.
Looking into the future. I do worry about what battles will rise later on once the criminal cases resolved. If you aren't following the facebook group, I suggest you do because updates are posted quite frequently in the days since I spoke to Jacob. There have been new events unfold
For example, on monday was posted at the day, their cassie was released from jail. Someone called
The employer of the woman who had led authorities to William and mattie the collar
was apparently anonymous, but whatever was said led this woman to be
Placed on administrative leave from her job was this paper
for her telling the truth about her involvement and leading authorities to william embody. We can't say for sure at this point, but many other people have come forward with their own story
of course, he's bullying and intimidation tactics. You think that if you are just spent
many weeks in jail that, once you got out,
we'll just lay low, but I fear that
maybe no limit to how far this woman's willing to go
happy that at least there is a great distance between them and william and Jacob living in Montana. Jacob tell me more about
the future may hold as far as custody and visitation goes.
My understanding is that I have full custody and sole legal decision making for the rest of his life, and so after she
on a trial replenishment of jail time, it is ambitious?
the remainder approached the family core and say, look out
amazon and the judge kid I ordered you provided and entire about by
I don't know, I can't imagine anything else. Besides you grow, I find the time to just what is it you don't happen again.
from the very beginning the jones family has thrown around tons of unfounded accusations
That's why they were able to initially get people on their side? Accusations like that can be so damaging
because there will always be someone out there questioning if they could have been true,
hope is that none of these accusations will continue to follow Jacob. Any further barberini result
transparent. You know we just how to present the facts and let people see them for themselves. So
been really vindicating honestly to me
we're the sudden that pressure and occupation in staff, because people do you the truth
on a more positive note. I wanted to hear more about how little williams doing now he'd been through, so
much turmoil in the first year of his life. When matters
was arrested. He was taken by cps and they kept him for a short period of time until Jacob in his family can make the trip from Montana Jacob told me that the first night was a little tougher william,
Only only the first, my belief in our dialogue with them to the night, like you, economists
think something but other than that. He's just been the calmest baby. I've ever met. He was just curious and calm and exploring, and and read
Wherever I go home under these wonderful
There is a reminder that I have
while they were in California. They took advantage of the opportunity to visit disney.
None of my family had met him before we find him.
I him in san and for the whole family who down at me in
I got to meet them and we went to disneyland together, and it was just it was really special. This case
We resonated with me probably because,
my own baby boy at home, Jacob
williams first year and all of those milestones, but now he,
as a chance to enjoy each new milestone, restarted
ok, we're gonna have a nice;
here too, in our requires that fine you there must have been.
the command, and we note my man called me. The other on just one is by far the best here. He loved the boy patty kagan,
low peggy on the laugh and laugh, and he was right,
This is the end of episode, one hundred and one I encourage anyone with
interest in this case, to follow the group on facebook, which is now called justice.
Baby, william and the governor family, like I said, updates, are posted there constantly. They also
I have files with all the documents that have been released. I'll, be posting a link to the group, and
Five hundred and forty nine page police report in the show notes
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