Hey prime numbers, you can listen to the vanished ad free on amazon, music download. The app today shows her trunk on video. So she's, like kind of walking towards her beautiful. But then she take that there's. A lot of it is going to vehicle I think she was gonna leave em an yang, you wouldn't have, I think, he's he knew he was watching her. on the morning of january twentieth, two thousand seventeen forty year old holly can travel drove to the mcallister regional health centre in Mcallister Oklahoma, where she worked as a physical therapy tech. Just a few before noon holly clapped out for her lunch break,

only hollywood, never return, and she was never seen again that dang, her husband became concerned when she hadn't returned from her shift at the hospital, so he decided to take a ride over to see if he could find her. Her truck was parked in the little parking lot, but there was no sign of holly over the path eighteen months. There have been many twists and turns and holly's case into people, close to her remain persons of interest, the happen. Holly on January twentieth, two thousand seventeen remains a mystery amorous and from wondering this is episode. One hundred and thirty five of the vanished holly cantrill story the

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close relationship with her cousin Charlie. They were sisters I spoke to Charlie, this episode and she told me more about holly. She, though I bet, went by grandma growing, because she's always known you know her mom and her sisters and brothers, and all that life went on and holly just she was a grandma's girl. We all were kind of the jealous too. I guess growing up cause. She was always in the spotlight. She didn't really realize it. I guess, but she

always loving. I don't think there was ever a mean bone in her, I'm sure there was at times you know growing up. She was always like a good hearted person choice. Why the hell people I remember in high school and stuff, she wasn't like the popular crowd. She was still doing her thing. She was still she still shining. We grow up together because we live next door. So we we were all close mean. Holly grew up the closest everybody we're like sisters, you yeah we're like fastest friends, I guess grown up. ninety, ninety nine, how he met her husband, tommy at the time holly Twenty three and tommy was forty. Six. There was a big h, different and I remember her mentality. You know like her, she was sheltered and she was really sheltered and.

Went from one marriage straight into the handful of man. He was going to favor and she was gullible. I guess- or I guess we all were at that time. Just she was naive, as to when holly and Tommy got together. She had a young son trenton from her first marriage and tommy had three older children from previous relationships, Tom was also raising his grandson. Michael, Miss daughter had Michael when she was just a teenager and Tommy stepped into raise him when how in tommy got married. She hoped raise michael entreated him ass, her own in tommy had two more sons together, Zachary and wesley hollywood. To be a dedicated mother who love spending her free time with her children and doing various outdoor activities like hunter,

fishing and caring for the animals on their small farm that maybe thirty forty cows in small sheriff. They were mantra donkeys than and at one time I tried out they had a goat farm. The india being above you know it didn't work out, Holly also had a job that she loved. She was working the mcallister regional health centre as a physical therapy tech. She loved her job. Here she went to school. You know what she was pressure high school. She wouldn't gotten college lived in What did all that was working towards that? That's when she was with traverse the first of them she became a house mom and whatnot, and school got put on the back

along the way which you were tommy. She got back in the school, but it was a slow process financially and whatnot. She put herself who's going. She was it out at a price, school to help get get her to where she wanted to be. She was she wanted to be a physical therapist. She worked hard for to get where she was. She was proud of. It seems real, proud that she made it that far and she was going to continue that's what she was working toward and she was proud you know she loved her jobs, locked it as far as anyone knows January twentieth. Two thousand seventeen started off like any other ordinary day. Holly the two younger boys after school. They were twelve and fourteen at the time, and then she headed off to work. She worked for several hours before clock, to go to lunch. Just before noon. Holly never returned to work that day

her husband became concerned when she didn't come home that evening, when he reach her by phone. He decided to go search for her. He drove to hospital where he discovered holly's truck in the parking lot, but no holly yeah. He had taken the boy with him. To go, look for you know their mom and that's when I discovered a truck was there and he said that they had walked into. in our into the hospital and what they were heard a permit was, but of course it was closed down and all about by then that part was gettin finder. So he went to the police station. tommy first phone, the police, and then he went to the police station. He spoke to an officer but they didn't open up an official missing persons case just yet they wanted to wait twenty four hours tommy went back to the hospital parking lot and gained access to holly's truck with his spare key and drove back home,

According to holly's, family tommy had help from his daughter charity and her husband to get Holly's truck back, Tommy has never reported that there was anything out of the ordinary and holly's truck tommy called around to see if anyone had seen or heard from holly, but didn't have any luck. The These were able to access video surveillance from the mcallister regional health centre, holly clocked out for one and they could see her on the video from the staff parking lot. She exerted building at eleven fifty seven, a m on the video you can see her get into a green pickup truck, that's driven by a man. This is where another man comes into the picture. His name is coty quetcham after us, going to some of holly's friends police are that things weren't so great and holly's marriage and the

she'd been having an affair with cody, but the day of from what I've gathered and what we've been able to research. She was going to go meet. Cody ketchum has been the point of interest so far I guess she's gonna clock outer then go me. for lunch. She now and have little whatever maybe I don't know what they did. They were having an affair and then It's going go back to work and we seeing the video shows her getting into a trot but because visually, the video canyon, even the police. They cannot actually say that that coty he says it's him. He did in that picking her up could he claims that the last time he saw holly was shortly after he picked her up from the hospital. He said that

dropped. Holly off at a restaurant called brahms where she was going to have lunch with some friends. He was supposed. pick her up but later texted, her saying that he couldn't make it. She replied that she would just go back to work since you didn't have our own vehicle. No one is sure how she planned to return or who Given her right. That's the last. communication from Holly's phone. His family has spoken to cody and he told them what happened that day. He said that he didn't feel good. We got out of him. He told us a little bit different He wasn't feeling well, but you told her. You know he was in town anyway, because he had been set for paycheck. That friday, though he said he picked her up, he drove through taco bill drive through and got him a little somethin and then continued down. The road could talk about one. Sixty nine also continue down to a problem, which is one of the bombs located on. Sixty nine

he dropped her ass to never see her again at tat time, personally and then my mom talked to and I'm also over the wall over the phone history, as they can pretty much he's sticking to the same story on there's a few little details where he might a mix that we've noticed that changed but yeah. He said that he was in town. He had to go, get his pay card and he didn't really feel well, but he got a phone call from holly and he went and picked her up to go. I dunno. If they were going to go, eat lunch if he was just going to, he was just going to be her ride. He went to taco bell and that taco bell was later through into the story by, He dropped her off somewhere. In that time he got a phone call. I guess his son. He has this time was sick or something, and so he needed to go. Take him a change of clothes or something because he'd gotten sick at a private school,

like a daycare or he had to go, do that he dropped her off and he was in fact going to one pickle ball up well, just kind of odd, but that's the story. As he told me, sure, and there was a little bit later. She hadn't texted him he was like whoa. I guess the argument about they got to limit of argument prior about holly not go into. The church revival weaken camp thing so he thought that maybe why she had returned to tax about taken. You need ride and he said that a little later he taxes, I hope, you're, not mad at me here and the net for here attacks, say no, but got mad. That controller figure it all out get to go or she and her husband had wandered. Girl is ok she found ride. She was she was on her way back to work out a loved one. He d gotten from her

Holly's family has wondered. Why code you didn't know who she was allegedly going to meet it something that you would ask. Cody hidden explanation. For that, though, he just now that he didn't questioner because she got their home how their relationship was. He said that he doesn't know he was shot her to me. He knows he dropped her off and he laughed detect. Have tried to place cody and holly at the brahms by pulling video surveillance, there's no camera that show her ever go into bombs. Now the way Brahms set up, there's problems and there's the atm it's in the parking lot call. You said she dropped her off in between the two, which would

he'll, be Brahms parking lot better. There look at all the surrounding area camera he even across the highway. Now that he can't, you told us he did in fact he Prodi's truck from there's a course gas station right there, there's bombs on the corner, atm forearm and then there's like a street road and then there's a really big gas station, and he says that he beat him our. He sees how these trapped on that site goodbye brom, but it does show I'm leaving bombs, shook him coming down the road now. How he got. That road, I don't know he was in it. He says they can't even tell if Holly's in the truck with kodi, if anybody's in the truck with kodi, if it's even cody driving, but it is that truck it's all in in that timeframe, yes of when

she could have been out for lunch. No one from Brahms remember seeing holly that day either there was an early port in the media that someone did see her at brahms, but that seems to be false, possibly a mix up in the early confusion of the case. Although coty has been called with law enforcement even voluntarily giving them access to his phone historian. Dropping her brahms. That day has left a lot of suspicion, the police, have stated that his phone records do support his story. As far as I can tell Holly's family as wondered about the taco bell. cody said he stopped there before dropping holly off at brahms. They tried to see if they could get any proof of that. I dont know for a fact. I do know that We we personally wonder when we found out when he would like what I went by talk about every seat. I have proof of cairo

We don't want anybody, anyone could have a receipt. She could one company when went. We personally went to taco bell, and this is This has been a little bit way after her disappearance. Wheezed, firstly, spoke to the manager who was actually till the manager. You know for once the date she disappeared and she if she was going to try and get corporate and go back and look to the video, but she said that the police had never been there, and so she was like she was just beside herself just like wow can. Let me see I can't help you guys, but nothing ever came of it I was never able to produce or get into the videos. I guess that's a pretty big deal. You know, but she did tell us that they never the police have never been there. The

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Apparently Hollywood sometimes take the afternoon off from work and spend time with cody one of her coworkers claimed that she was planning to do just that on the day of her disappearance. That's why there is a discrepancy. We have many best friend but, like I said she had the attitude she do, people loved her. They were joined. Her come to find out. You can tell me best friend and her best friend, that was your coworker had said that she had made a hingham that she was gonna take off for the rest of the day and then he's gone. He won't talk to nobody. quiet. I guess the please interviewed him once or twice in the beginning, and after the issue is one silent, but holly's boss, had to say about her plans that afternoon was completely different. Her younger sister hours she and back gotta hold of bar herself.

She said that how you know she didn't that she would take off sometimes ass. She always let them know You know ahead of time. You know had not to schedule a patient or one not because I want to come back or whatever and her boss told hours. The holly was in fact coming back. She was going to launch and come on back. One that we can't be one hundred percent. Sure about is if Holly's husband tommy knew that she was having an affair with cody her We found something in the initial police report that makes some suspect that he did know my present actually went and got a copy of the police report all set that we ve been gathering. Is then, of course, you know it's been six months or so after the shoe disappeared, because that's when we realise holiest what really doing anything we they'll be filled

in a crack, it states that he went in there and her husband, you state that cody That he would be another one through. I guess your look look at or talk to How he would know that when I don't know, I guess it was- many new they're having a fair. But written on the report showed. His name is very you mentioned by tommy. Although the mcallister police say that cody has been cooperative, they still haven't been able to rule him out as a person of interest. Another person of first in the case is her husband, tommy. charlie told me that the relationship between holly and Tommy seem promising. At the start. She met him like a statue in cannot even without there in the world not alone, but you know, I guess ever overwhelmed, somehow she's gonna jaw about their alderson Oklahoma, which is not blocking elster working at like

sanitation trash, don't fight, and she was in the office in that house. She had met tommy because he was a mechanical now remember talking down on me now and you'd bring rosy secretly you now take on large, because she was so kind out with her her first husband, and then and then eventually I got to meet him and he seemed really nice scenarios, baron yeah. I wonder how he you know he was taking care of his grandson. He or she just seemed to, and he was like. Whining and dining her. Now he promised your light. He would take a firm class area and who's gonna get us weren't you and therefore, while she had around door, she thought up in they bought a new home in which, later they off.

Over time. Holly's family began to realize that tommy wasn't the person that they thought he was. They begin see, changes and holly. They knew was controlling, but they dont know the full extent of what happened behind closed doors is very C4. I might he her trade be he was ass. Time went on. She started there. She would just pull away from being pulled away. Shall I mean that's when you can see there were signs there? There's the devil. It was some abuse going on. I don't know it's physical on that whole. Ah, but it was, it was apparent. You know her. Even her here and started changing like she went prancing out trying to fix, happened, pyramid born in under her to her appearance started. Even changing her attitude started changing

and when he was around, she was on eggshells of you. She would babysit for me sometimes, and I would have to hurry up and get my kids and leave before telling me. Up there, though you wouldn't be bad. You know that I was there. This unhappiness in her marriage is what led her to have an affair with cody. I think she was searching for somethin and I guess you found it in the m there's another shocking twist to this story that was revealed during the investigation into holly's disappearance, appears that she was likely pregnant and it has been confirmed as far as like medically the story went there. You know she went to. The health department

and she was in fact it came back positive. This is, according to her her best friend. She worked with at the hospital. Doormats now went silent. He said that I am here when I went with her. She was pregnant, but they do told her because of her age and her medication, because she knew she had a lot of heart issues and that she has to have admit she can't go without it that she would need to go to an ob to I n in to get an ultrasound of some sort. to actually say that you are, you are pregnant, because sometimes the medicine will produce a false positives and that was on. I do you believe, a thursday or friday, and she was supposed to go that following week and she never made it that's when she went missing

Holly had also confided in another friend about the pregnancy, one or other good friends choose to work with the school had in fact talk to molly the night before and then a few nights prior She knew she was pregnant too. Should I call here, look at me. Look at all my messages or hearn holly having conversation about being pregnant and how she need to go the hospital to. In fact, I guess a hundred percent validate. yes, you're pregnant cody has said that holly told him that she was pregnant. The two women can plans to move forward with their relationship. They talked about the bigger house together and making it go out as a family, whether tommy new, the pregnancy or not. We can't be certain, we know it polygraph sir known to be inaccurate and that's why they aren't admissible and court button.

Two gaiters have requested that both tommy and coty take polygraph cody his club it fully and even that investigators come out to his home again recently huh his family was told that cody pass some of the questions on the polygraph but failed others. Investigators have not disclose which questions he failed on coding, also consented to have his truck searched, but investigators looked inside and didn't feel like further testing was necessary. Tommy, on the other hand, has yet to take a polygraph first, it was, you know, cause he was sick at one point he got to where he got within the hospital fighting cancer and had to have surgery, and he beat it. That's the story publicly, but so that was the reason why he couldn't take but he's never taken one since then, and he's been able to go to you know after eating to auction. I don't see how that could affect him taking one. It can do he can do their haha,

he has been suspicious of tommy and they pushed to get his property searched. But the initial detective didn't seem interested in pursuing him as a potential suspect. The first detector goin out on at the very beginning and everyone out their house. You never even thought that would Tommy was somebody choose to spend. I guess even though from there bringing all of us have been numerous times. You ve got to look into him, but they wouldn't listen Little circumstantial things have happened since Holly disappeared things at me. Her family, suspicious the data she disappeared, her cell phone service was shut off and never turned back on, question why your husband wouldn't have her phone turn back on since she's, missing,

what if she was somewhere in need of help and got the chance to make a call her phone was suspended for non payment is what we were told. So we haven't been able to actually validate like that, was actually suspended from non payment or if it was just suspended by someone coming in and doing it we relating to. Maybe it would The aggravated because of non payment, because that same day I guess, are whenever the profound went down all their phones went down because they are got brand new phones and numbers. Why didn't I just go? Pay is if you had the money to go by phone in in all that money, you to pay old one. charlie and one of holly sisters Alice got the money together themselves to have holly's phone turned back on holly step Author charity initially was willing to go along with this idea, but then communications stopped maine

got together and we we had five hundred bucks, we said here we will give you five her box go internal found back on, go pay. It. and that's when charity recycled. Let me see of question the detective war. to do that. It doesn't she called back. She said he fell upon a problem as a war. I what time do you wanna meet me in town tomorrow? She never returned a phone call, wake Blowing around blowing or a loan or at nothing they didn't want us to go. We had the money to to go, do that and they they would never tell us at that point where to go. What company goes you? What has made us? We were one ourselves. They just went my morning after that one. We call them. We had the money in hamlet. Go everything changed on the whole, the whole foundering there was an odd.

Tommy's daughter charity comes up a lot in this story and that's because, according to holly's, family charity and Holly never got along charity older than holly and, as I mentioned, when holy mary tommy, she helped juries charity, son, Michael. his family suspicious of some of our statements and actions since Holly disappeared the older step daughter then to never like each other. We never did I'm sure they got along. You know at face, for they had some christian since are what not that they had to tolerate each other. I remember very, very beginning. Holly did not like charity, did not like her on february, twenty fifth two thousand seventeen just a month after hollywood, disappeared a hunter found, a person. Would it area near lake. You follow this Where's belong to how we can travel when they found

the purse had her, I d medications and other belongings, and there was paperwork about pregnancy near the bag won. Her purse was found out there. There is people work in it. I have pictures of all that and on the paperwork states. You can see a minus its plainest. They were a second trimester since then. I think the police have even the have nots, happily that she was. She was in fact pregnant. Here. Everything was in the purse with the purse except herself home the condition of holly's purse and the paperwork has led to some suspicion if had been out in the elements since she disappeared more than a month earlier. Her family thought that should have shown more where. But the paperwork was like a perfect was on me

water, smudges, you're, nothing, images like with like mrs. Firstly printed. We have pictures of the purse. We actually got pictures from the police department and this purse, but I want to say, is like what that plastic. Leather look, as that looks a shiny. Well, you see where it is perfect. It doesn't look whether yeah this purse, books or I knew the police have even told us. You know they think it was. able to place their purposely what they ve done to try to establish that sure I don't know they said they were able to catch it for fingerprints because of the type a leather it was any due to its weathering. That was the biggest press due to the wedding. First, the first works brand new. I can't wait for you, don't see the picture of it. One frustrate

for the family has been that the police returned. The purse tallies husband, they were told the purse couldn't be tested, but we ve seen so many advances in technology for the years. New testing techniques have emerged that solved cases had previously been considered cold. They wondered why the purse wasn't held onto us piece of evidence. Maybe they can do anything with it in two thousand seventeen. But who knows where Knowledge will be in the coming years when they pressed her answers as to why the purse wasn't held onto as evidence. The detective reminded the family

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ashtray. There was an argument, but the night before at the option between hauling all of them, there was never an issue over we'll All false tommy may have had a will at some point in time. According to Michael, he was gonna, get everything him in the boys Everything was in holly's names since learned to the top public record. You gotta know where to digging. If there was a well, I wouldn't matter because, as he got all that land there is, there is father. You're gettin leave it to him because of supposedly gambling problems. Everything was in always name everything. the only way possible that they would have any rights any of that is. If she wasn't in the picture. There was yet another strange twist, in this case a local one,

llewelyn woolly, wanted to help holly's family. She sorry Poking around and asking questions she secretly recorded some people allegedly talking about holly's murder inside of a local home. It was at a house, There are some people there and they are all talking about. How is murder I hardly make out. We have the whole pay we we haven't. Even though whole she went to the police, I guess and had told them about this. Hey I've been through this house. Many texts dismiss dead, said. I couldn't understand it, my mom said well. Can you get a the irish vote, they have all that technology like can sort through the store. She no now can ever came of it recent tape asleep seriously and they discounted lan, but how his family didn't feel the same way they felt ass, though the police treating her like. She was crazy array.

This time louis, was contacting holly's family stating that she was concerned for her safety and they, llewelyn was found hanging in her borne her down. Was rolled a suicide, but lands concerns for her safety prior to her death have led to many questions, like an angel. I dont think issue of suicide on. I really doubt we have texts from her. It's screenshot, Then he came to my cousin, I'm holly's other younger sister. And she sang her. You know there's some shit goin on here, I'm kind of scared for my wife. If something happening, I want to let you know, you know, I'm scared. If something bad has happened, we have text where she's texting her saying hey, I dunno who's talking, but what I'm telling you guys is leaking out, I'm being ran off the road, I don't think she committed suicide and I- and I think that

They didn't take her seriously due to the fact that she did have a history of the mental illness. She had lost daughter. You note, I think, to cancer. She may have commissioners, but she was not crazy to the point where she was just been delusional, making shut up since supply it's llewellyn. This lead wasn't really pursued. According to holly's family, they learned that the house was known for drug activity. I think he went to the neighbor's house and asked if I knew about any drug activity be called. The red house could read, that's pretty much what he did It remains unclear if anyone inside that house actually had knowledge of what happened a holly or if people were just talking, simply repeating rumours but for her his family? They still feel like she was treated unfairly and they fear that she was silence because she was looking for answers.

just shy of thirteen months after Holly's disappearance, a hunter made, a startling discovery not far from were holly's purse had been found a year earlier, another hunter year at ground. Human remains about a year later is when the bones were discovered and it's all within a two mile radius, the person, the bones and it's violate a cardinal point: it's public land, small game hunters like rabbit and stuff they're able to go out there, because it's a after the hunter discovered bones, Holly's family went back out to the area and found more themselves me and my two cousins, which is hallways younger brother and sister. We went out there and I don't know why we gave me this went out from are really looking for anything I mean mental, I don't know what we're doing but was went out there and we found bound. They said they were.

Animal bones, and then we found some more bone that same day they kept saying there animal bone and there we work with the search and rescue team, and so we were stunned and pitcher then when he was like no, no, we are not animals. So within three days he had a crew and he had a her name's angela. She who's out of the city, she's, a medical examiner, and she came out there as a favor. We had a big churchill and to some of the bonds we did find were they were deer bones, but the rib bones. They were human and that's when we found them. I don't how they do what they do, what they know they map it and they could like kind of predict their. We found the point in time

pretty much a warlike, the main body would be, and that is where we found we found more bones and we found a bunch of green scrub that wishes shredded pieces and then we found we found bones. I got down to the lumbar, I think, not far from there and we had to dig in like rat holes and skunk holes and stuff for the animals scabbard injured you no one but carry it. I seen how how fast it could happen. Like When we were out there, you know when we had pictures of perished. Three rib bones within threed, I think, with two or three days, when we had the search s, you come back out there. What it was a private search that wasn't like you know,

group when we came back there was only two rib bones, so within two or three, an animal had done scurried off one of em. I mean if, if we're coming up human pounds and apparently human bones should get your guys out there in the law. Should I don't understand that Holly's family is currently waiting for the results of the testing to find out. If the bones at will recover do in fact belong to holly, even though they it'd be certain they're, convinced that they found her worst a wedding, but they sent them to texas and then, with the green scrubs that what she was wearing when she went missing, we have Ben. Could they detect his office when the bones were discovered? I was on my way home from work analysis. She called me hysterical copies.

Have you heard you know? What's going on, I'm like? No, I just got off work that get on facebook and go to you'll, see it and you gotta punch on it and it's like a news site or something and that's when he made the whole bone thing came to light, and so when that happened, of course, in all my family was frantic, Mr Conway and them we dig it in to see the detective in person but he had told numerous family members. He said he cannot make an official statement that that is impact holly says since, but off the record. He says I'm going to tell you that ninety nine point nine percent, that it's her, but without the proper documentation he can't make you can't make a personal statement and then more pilot. We were able to get into this office, which was

it with me in her younger brother and sister in and her brothers wife, he told us he said he says he paid no authority. They know it's her, but they can't make a next step till they have. The proper documentation, which is what we're waiting on Charlie plain to me, where the remains were found in relation to wear. Holly was last seen as pie within five mile. Try going north the location, if you don't have a boat like when we want, we go out there, it's a good to our hike. I mean you're, not it's not like. Do not hiking up mountains, the rocks, but it won't be in a row. We call grass and it is it's open field.

Linda wrote his words up until began and would just like to turn my walk. We caught it every time we going at the average to our walk out last you'd get there by boat, our four willard. if the area where the remains were found is that difficult to get to on foot it does make. You think that much more likely that whoever left the body there got to that location by boat, but charlie, explain that looking for someone with a boat doesn't really narrow things down here s the thing s. Buddy around these part has about you play I'm a before. We have a car and we ve tried till I try to commit you know like choose, leaving with about who's coming with about. It would seem that day, even though it's likely that they found her. That doesnt solve this Yes, there are still so many unanswered questions. Why would someone have harmed holly

but because of the affair, or was it because of the pregnancy or both one of these questions as if tommy was even aware of holly's pregnancy. Cody says that he knew These family believes that tommy did now because of some statements about charity and Tommy made early on. according to holly's family charity, sent messages saying the holly was pregnant and high risk. So she, calling around hospitals after the media, got involved. The story seem to change, did holly tell them me that she was pregnant. If she you tell him herself, how would of known. you have read her messages. Had he seen papers about pregnancy that were later found with her purse huh His family has uncovered a possible connection that one of holly's friends may have been.

Passing information along supposedly a really good friend that she worked with at the school who was still like, like I said, on her best friend, totally going back and kill a commie all kinds of stuff She was playing high. I dont know how accurate that is if it could be validated, mean that would show. Are you now you might begin inside info? We know that both de in tommy remain persons of interest in this case This close to Holly have gone back and forth, not knowing who or what to believe charlie. mean that she personally feels more inclined to believe cody. I dont think holy had anything to do with that as you know. Well can we had a lady that, from a search and rescue team that we ve now became a part of actually reach out to him. And talk to her and she met him in person herself and

I tell you now, so you won't actually cause you're gonna go down for their assistance. It's on you now. The police are not looking at anybody, but you, and he just still sticks to the story. He won't budge so either he's really good or he's really right and do nothing? I mean I he the last person seen with. But what do you know to what his motive they try to betray that you know him and his wife. You know he was fair. How I was pregnant, maybe dont want the watch him and his wife had been separated for over seven years, they haven't met the gathering years. She has a girlfriend and she's since then she's. They both have had their relationships with other people. Cereals are not serious, they are not together. They haven't been together

It's not like he was with his wife, and he didn't want to know about his love of. There is nothing like that. That's a big factor to take in because you know they they made. It seem like that. Will that be as motive, so there goes that motive. Charlie believes that the seriousness of the affair and the pregnancy very well could have been motive to make her disappear. Personally, I think this is not the first time that she has happened there. He had other one. I think, though, that this one was, it wasn't just a passing through kind of thing. I think it was most areas. Everybody knew that the whole town knew it what they would try to keep it secret it, but it was a secret. Everybody knew here's his wife, this young, pretty girl who sit on the floor this baby. How can you help

pregnancy. It seemed like she was. She was fixing to make a move. She was, she was gonna, leave em tommy, that's what we gather and so and his cap, a personally Yeah you ain't, leaving you ain't going nowhere your mind. You know I'll, kill you before easily color. We have letters from his wife It matches like the same ammo. You know it's just everything's the same. I bet she was going to leave him and he he wouldn't have money. You know how dare he get knocked up and make me look like a laughing stock and whatnot. I think he was watching her holly was also close to cooties mom and text messages. when the two have revealed what appears to be holly making attempts to split from her husband I, now that we have some text is between code is mom and holly palestine worry, holly everything's gonna be ok, just make sure you

everything lying down so that they can come and take anything from you guys and then holiday, yeah. I know this I'm working on it right now, chemin shoes, I ha ha this- that daughters already trying to call a move in pan, like will dont worry coty. Colleagues here he in our and it goes into how you know he's he's gonna help wherein he said she getting everything lying down. You know worked out there. It or not, then we're gonna take anything from home. The boys courteous moved on and has a new woman in his life, Holly's family contacted to see if she knew anything, but that was a dead end. Baby them recently contacted which turned out should not be nuthin view serving anything good, but we recently reached out to his his neck.

It has a new girlfriend. Now she says I don't want to go against cody. She says he's got enough of that. She is route, can tell you that that he loved poly that he does talk about her. He loved her. He still loves her. So I don't know and poorer current girlfriend to say that I mean it takes a while to even if something like that and she seemed genuine in what she was calling name, and she just said that if she, if we had any any questions that she would you know, please please contact him as she didn't want to be part of you know. She didn't want to be pitted against him in irish but did that. I left that that you now, while tommy in cody, have cooperated with the police, they haven't actively help to search for holly Charlie cody, why he never stepped up to help at first we didn't we

how to him and then asked Tom was gone by which this year we should start to reach to any and every death desperately. This is what he told me. He said that he did not reach out, because he was the oddball guy. He was the one that was the home Rucker. He was the one that was being pointed fingers and he said he loved holly. The reason he didn't rico is because he felt as if he was calling one problem because he was like. I said he was the one was breaking up. The family tommy has never offered an explanation as to why he hasn't look for his wife. Now, never it has never reached out like that, has never been to has never come then to any of the search, if you've never done anything like that, he hasn't done anything and damn thing he's kind of hidden,

as far as searching tommy's property. The police didn't seem interested at first. It was you we got a new detective, but actually they went out to his property, but since the new detective took over, he did in fact go out there. What can a year later, he's told us that tommy did in fact given permission to search his land. I listened after the bones were found. this case has so many mysteries within other mysteries. You can are going down different rabbit holes, and then you realize that your basing your theories on statements from those who remain persons of interest, in the case at least you questioning what to believe. One fact that we do know is that cody picked holly up that day. We know this because not only did he admit to it he's also on camera. Some have question, why he picked her up. Why didn't she just drive herself people civil? Why did she take her trapped, her brown?

And I don't know how I created is supposedly no, he sat type that he cocked from We knew how much gas was in the truck, how much it took to get q infirm, but he was like there. I just think everything was coming to a head and with this pregnancy there was no, you know if you pay and, like it don't exist here now then the door. There was no it's here at the cabinets. It's in your face saddle at this point: Holly's family has been cut off from seeing her two younger sons who are still with Tommy charlie, did have contact with until holly story aired on national television show when this offer shower happening. We all kind of band together, but we can't tommy at bay, You know there was a reason for madness, but then, when she started come an open.

Everybody off from our side of the family reason, I've always been the one that he's always let in even back in the day. You know, then, since that show aired. I had been the one that was kind of the middle east since a family. You know I got to go out to the house a couple of times before they detective told us not to go out there anymore. I don't know why he just he advised us not to go out there, so we stopped, but I had phone calls with them and you know like video chat and talk to tommy and then, after the show aired, he completely will

Last thing we don't get to talk to I'm nothing. I've seen wesley once at the gas station after the show, which is for youngest. He walked up to me and he hugged me and it was nice, but then some homeless people were there with him and you could see that he was really uncomfortable. So I just slipped in my number. You know, and we said I loved you in and out- and I just I left it alone, because you could tell that he was. He was twenty You know you don't know what to do next morning so that even after they found the bone several months ago, holly family and a private investigator have continued to hike out to the area. To keep looking at the end of june were out there with a metal detector and found a ring and a shell casing where the bones had been recovered thinking, these items could be related. They began frantically, calling the police to come retriever. No one Welcome back or ever came out to get them the private investigator carefully by the items while documenting everything, the detective has not

interested in these items. They showed tat a photo of the ring and he said that he didn't recognize it. It looks like common wedding band. They also said that the showcasing could have just been from a hunter, but what if it wasn't. Four holly's family. They worry that this evidence could be important. Even there remains don't belong to holly these items. Important to another case they also wonder if the ring could have been left behind by a person who helped dispose of the body, it's very late, Lee that there remains at recovered earlier. This year belong to holly, but even They may have found her that only solves one part of the mystery if it is holly. What happened to her, and how did she get out too, that remote area, this It is one that you can go over and over in your mind, a hundred times and still have a hard time coming to a conclusion about what may have happened sincere. Who persons of interest you can take each bit of information and put it on one side or the other, but there still so many unanswered questions when you hear

this story about coty dropping her off at brahms to meet friends for lunch friends that no one was ever able to identify and the fao and no one saw her there, it just an arab, but what, if cody is telling the truth and he did drop off at brahms. What happened next? did she just never go inside and wasn't seen on any cameras, Holly's family suspects at her husband knows more, but how would she have gotten from this alleged brahms meeting to being with tommy Tommy's alibi for that day is that was home alone. It's like there's a big piece of this puzzle missing could she have been meeting some unknown person that no one's discovered tat. Could you possibly gone, into a car with that person before going into the brahms? Will she set up there? day with some kind of fake arranged meeting. Hopefully those remains, can be identified soon. An answer at least one of the many lingering questions

Holly's family, especially her children, deserve answers and justice. If you of any information about the disappearance of Holly cantrill. Please call collar mcallister police department at nine money for two three one who on two you'd like to follow holly's case on social media. You can join hope for holly on facebook. That brings asleep and of episode. One hundred and thirty five I'd like to think early for sharing holly story with us. If you have a missing loved one, that you'd like to have future on the show. There is a case of mission form at the vanish podcast hast com. If you'd like to contact me, there's page and a discussion group on facebook a month at the vanished part and also on instagram If you enjoy the show subscribe, known apple pie casts spotify ones We dot com or wherever you're listening right? Now, you want to help port, the vanished, there's a couple things you can do one way to her

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