Hey prime numbers: you can listen to the vanished ad free on amazon, music download. The app today. I was on the the night, the missing in ireland, standing there. the full time my phone in my hand, the malware down on my phone, and they have an overwhelming urged, and I didn t I didn't want to have to tell and get into graduate school on the evening of tuesday, eight march, twenty eight two thousand seventeen fifty year old. broke plenty met some friends from work at along horn, barn, grill in the grand ther neighbourhood of san, diego california survey, videos showed Debbie, leaving the restaurant and getting into her car

and are the last known people to see Debbie a week went by, before Debbie was reported missing, the following day, her car was located in ocean beach about ten miles from where she was last seen her purse, still inside and there were several parking tickets left on the windshield Debbie's only canvas area, posting fires and speaking to locals, but no trace of Debbie has ever been found. Amr. And from wondering this is episode. One hundred and nineteen of the vanished Deborah plenty story, the and and

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Debbie is the mother of four grown children, and her daughter, Ashley, contacted me a few months ago. Deceive the cover her mom story actually lives in colorado but has been travelling to california to help search for her mom. like many stories you ve heard on the show this one is full of flax relationships in order to understand how Debbie ended up where she wasn't life at the time of her disappearance, you have to go back. Many years when I, folks Ashley she gave me some background information about her mom, so I'm from san diego. My mom was there her whole life. What kind of rebellious teenager and move them, but she's got addicted to drugs pretty early and just

not at all. I'm gonna do a lot of trouble, but she did manage to get sober and get help. So I feel it should have always kind of struggled with addiction, after she. She was a functional alcoholic later on in life. You gonna have struggled with that. She had kids really young oh she or young for her she pregnant about life, feeling she was twenty and my sister was glad to be a disability, And- I think my mom issue the great mom when we were kids but as my sister's needs got bigger, my mom said instead of backing

my mom showed what I loved my sister. I shouldn't have that that care, taking sort of self with need got my sister's coordinated, and so that came between my hence they got divorced. When I was thirteen, mrs roth fourteen, and here we have a younger sister to any younger brother, so we had streamed relationships with her she was a requirement to us. You gotta do whatever we want had, so we wanted to live with her in around her because she was cool maiden only understand the aspect of the other. Things are happening as far as I know not her maid who stood when she should have been. Even though ashley inner settling saw their mom as a cool mom. As

I got older. They began to see her underlying issues which led them to distance themselves from Debbie. I think, as I got over there. And my younger sister and I got older q. It was a lot easier to start feeling helpful nor of an attic she was. She drank she hung out with another dark out from time to time. So we are just sort of folly. Started cutting our out of our lives because it was difficult everyone in her life loved her. Why and prepare And now kid Her friends and we tried ask it I heard my amendment other begging hard to get help to avoid he could be in her life, and I wasn't however, something that was like outright that she was.

Not fairly doing wrong. It was just the things that she wasn't doing right if that makes any sense, I just didn't feel like she was pretty. in that effort that we needed from her she had stood over such a free spirit, and the life of a party can do so much fun, but there was that the darker, that. Got her kids, especially needed more from her that she didn't give us. So I still person we talk Her I've kind of boys been the middle link between you know her. Other family members. Just because- I didn't want her to feel completely isolated and if she ever did make changes, they wanted to be there for her other major issue that caused the divide between Debbie and her family, where the relationships that she had with men over the years who were abusive, she wouldn't be-

the relationship after my garden, her got before. it was another major king in her relationship with everyone and. So I really start talking. Regularly after one of her boyfriend started going plates at her in the kitchen when my house, the men I were visiting her we're meeting him for the first time. after going out and he just started smashing plates whom we got home. Went in there to stop him and he grabbed me by the neck and push me up again refrigerator and stared at me. I'd use train. get me, but try not to kill me at the same time when she didn't break up with him. After that here sleep beat her really badly. That night

It will be hard to get her help, but she is stuck in the cycle of abuse, and so that was hard for me because I had to make choices to separate myself, to protect myself and my family, but I kind of had leave her too. So can you gotta get without you? Go I'll, kill you. I could go with her disappearance, because We wish we had done things differently, but it's hard. When you're in the moment to make a right decision for yourself in french people that was an old boyfriend, I did eventually believe him debbie did have a boyfriend at the time of her disappearance and that relationship wasn't a healthy one. Her boyfriend just kept getting younger and younger the boyfriend that she was with at the time of her disappearance was my younger age.

my mom was fifty and he was twenty four twenty seven and I think that's just kind of cattle psychological need to take care of people our her kid age, because Her kids were in her life anymore was a major attic in hand. He had caught you a lot of trouble before, He had stolen money from where he store choir watched at the airport based on Monday. go to hawaii. I don't know If you set a abused her, but you did definitely These are financially and emotionally took away And so they can often on, but she just get taken them back so I emailed her in january last year alone, seventeen because I got a new job and you get my immunization record. So I need it

and far from her and I sent her picture. My god, because you got stocks out her dog after the right, while mixer, She now mean that you know we were living together and his brother had moved in and stayed with them too, and his brother was offered to be So in march. I apply for a graduate school and I did not get anywhere here so I was really avoiding a telling them had all been asking waited for me to find out where did calling my mom I didn't want to have to deal with. and people over and over. I was on vacation the night, but she went missing I remember, standing there at around, time and,

my phone in my hand, the matter cannot my phone and I had the overwhelming urged on my mom, and I didn't because I didn't want to have to carry out and get to graduate school. Ashley with a timeline that she's been able to put together for the day that her mom disappeared. Sure nothing on to march twenty eight seventeen I'm the last time she was seen. She went out with friends from work the long home by a girl in the neighborhood called granville in san diego issue. Work at the same job for fifteen years, I'm very stable You know how I loved her should stay functional alcoholic, so I didn't actual work very much so sure

out with a couple friends and their security footage of her leaving. I think she had one drink. She laughed the bar in she told her friend, that's stupid. There was that she had gotten into a fight with her boyfriend that morning, dissidents, Josh and that way she had her and she told him tat. She was And believe me, without a mammoth brother and she said I'm not coming back and tore out of this house told her coworkers. She had a safe place to stay because she didn't wanna go home cause. She had a feeling he hadn t after she had requested the next two days out of work so she requested wednesday and thursday off. there was nothing weird that she didn't show up on Friday morning. She didn't shop to work, how work just thought

They said occasionally now she might come and late or miss day, your vacation, so they thought. Maybe you just party too hard And he forgot shouldn't request the stay off or somethin. Was a delay in reporting debbie missing, because her boyfriend didn't notify the police and her color. as we did a few days, contact her family and eventually the police Debbie appeared on a tuesday and she wasn't scheduled to work the next two days, so friday rolled around and she didn't show up her. Workers were slightly concerned, but they didn't think much of it her off. This closed on the weekend so saturday and sunday past, and nobody noticed that she was missing monday rolled around and Debbie still didn't, make it to work or call. This They decided to contact her family, they called her parents and grandparents and my grandparents

but give it one more day for her to show up and then to this didn't show up for the classical honesty. And she wasn't home, the boyfriend said very had seen earn a week, so I found out that tuesday, after but nothing so. She heard a been gone for a all week before any new. Real things were done to look for her. Debbie went missing on tuesday march twenty eight in the following wednesday. There was a major break in the case of police found her car that stay part at the beach by science and crews cove on santa claus,. They can t it was proud illegally in the red it had tickets on it from wednesday, but one

the morning after she was vastly at six p m and ahead of personal, with her. Was it an eighty dollars in cash and it was packed? The senegalese cove is, an area where she did like a hang out in the ocean, the controversial beach. and she went there like us ocean which were ass, kids too, so It was an unusual that she would have gone there to clear, hatter, even hang out with a friend or stay with a friend there, but the specific but she went missing. The tide was so high time in the night. She went missing where the shore anomaly was with six feet deep and I was also very strong, so the wifi

that works. That night that we talk. She said anyone who had tried to go down. The stairs were her car was part, would have been swept away. other people have down there and gone missing in that area. A woman goes up, fell off the cliff just a couple of months before that and was missing for six weeks before her body washed up at six hundred number was kind of hanging in the air. We were kind of waiting for that, just waiting for her body to wash up, and it never did not that she's still We then found her body obviously ashes. Explain to me the distance between where Debbie was last seen at the long horn, barn, grill and where her car was found in ocean beach and then a totally different part of town bob. I wish you, a vaccine, close to her work and that kind of inland. It's ten miles away. Fifteen minute drive on the freeway.

once Debbie's car was located that gave them a place to search for her ashley. Then made the trip from colorado to help with the search efforts I flew, Why was in colorado? I flew home the second they call me too. where they found her car- and I said Where did I had made fires in the airport and we went out and had a group of friends and family meet us in ocean beach, where her car was found and we posted flyers all over the place. All the news stations should all over the local news and ocean beaches such an off from community. They are so nice and just supportive. She still has flyers. All around me still keep em up. And everyone was looking for her everyone, we talked, he was telling us. Yes, we can only hope, we're lookin out for her answer. We that night,

we kind of walked around and there's someone at the liquor store had said that he had seen her and he just said it so casually. Oh yeah, I saw her last week and my aunts, and I just kind of stared at it, because we haven't had a full day of people calling, but no and how sorry they were for that. No, no, no and the guy just casually yeah or no big deal. He didn't. Security cameras. He said he saw her with an older homeless. Lady he's walking around again here- now in the department of the dark and He described the van that the old ladies, I guess with the regular he described the man as she dragged around. We looked for it, but didn't find her hidden fe exactly what day he just said. Oh, I saw her last week, The time that you were asking him was a week after shortness, so

would have been around like the day of pleasure, or in the following day, like that wednesday or thursday. So he let us put up a fire case. She came back We had a couple of other exciting women, although we have a germano which is about town about forty five minutes outside of san diego somebody said that they saw her walking around up their repulsive fires all over the place and I'm like checking facebook, twenty four seven just looking for updates and people, and I'm telling you I just thought her on the street and we go We find this woman, not everyone has been telling us they had seen. That's not her, so she wore sightings like that, but that must not be her and that's it really we haven't had any leads. Are

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After Debbie, disappeared. Ashley was shocked when she went where moms home together her things her house, when I to clean out was a disaster. It was for cigarettes. Drakestail cigarette smoke There were like fine hauled from the couch. There was blocked on her natural come her army sheets dry, Why am I first landed, in that light, the action that being got from her dog. Who was then really condition he was covered in source scratching. He had fleas, really bad and double ear infection. Her cat wouldn't come out from under the bed. That's what really broke. My heart was seen her

and I knew that you know that was more than just a week of nickel actor for what a sickness. had so badly that where's, my mom was whatever condition she within she wasn't in the space to take care of her animals, she had to pick she would have to care of herself. So I. Well in question and to local animal shelters. he was a rottweiler. So, I didn't want him to be put down to that end. I didn't know how do you think so, A rottweiler rescue group specifically help us I took him in and paid for all of his care and he found a forever home last august. They send me pictures and they just love him so much.

So that's kind of the silver lining in this I'm such a dog person. So I really broke my heart and that really made it. I just added a different layer to the story of the severe sort of neglect that this stuff for animals. getting the condition of both Debbie's home and her dog has left ashley wondering about her moms mental state at the time of her disappearance, If you really loved your dog a lot- and I it's it's hard for me- that was that was the hardest. I know I just ain't per when our situation. Just out like a drunken party. Definitely a mechanism struggle that shit, w had mentioned were friends that she had a safe place to stay the night that she disappeared,

This is one of the mysteries of her case. No one knows where she may have been planning to go. No, no one said hey. That was me and she was supposed to come over. She didn't have a cell phone. She had one, but her boyfriend took it and will do things for himself She didn't have personal email, she wasn't on social media. She was just. This kind of live the regular life before social media, so there was no. We have no idea where sixty four, I know you're probably wondering about Debbie's boyfriend. Why didn't he report her missing. We know that maybe did mention that she had a fight with her boyfriend and she said she had a safe place to stay, but she knew told anyone where this place was or who she may have planned to stay with. The fact that their been an argument with her boyfriend makes every one wonder if she did go back home that night and thing happened there.

The police have spoken with her boyfriend. He said that he had a talk to her. so they talk to him, the tuesday after she went missing. He said he hadn't seen that we go for. You did all her at work to try and find her, and I was a voice now it he laughed at work on Friday morning, but he didn't help with this. He didn't tell about all, and you know you get this. Have you for the news because they found that where she lived and I welcome the door and he answered and everyone who was and have you like texted me called me like that dude is creepy I hope the police are looking into him because everyone who watched it was like they, my skin something's, not right there, but the policing. Still They haven't found anything good, so difficult important case, were so a homicide,

or something because there is no evidence shouted show, there's nothing to show that you know no blood in the house. something like that to show that like to charge him Try to look at it from a different angle from them really hard. The boy friend did cooperate with the police. He did eventually leave the house. He checked in with every day I called her and told her where he was staying for a couple of weeks. The police didn't feel like he was involved at all. Even though Debbie clearly had issues that she was dealing with actually concern because disappearing is still out of character for her Debbie. Coupled with alcoholism, but she also maintained her career for fifteen years. She's never had an absence. Like listen, especially, but at all really from work. So they were really surprised when she just stopped showing up not wake,

had her problems in life, but she never disappear for a year. One frustrating aspect of this story is that no one knows where Debbie would have gone to stay that night. Since she didn't want to go home. No one has forward to say that she would stay with them when she had a fight with her boyfriend. No one has found any communication between Debbie and someone else to set up to spend the night. this made me wonder if she had just said that to her friends, so they wouldn't worry about her high, because I do gotten. I see her saying that too Make them feel that she was safe and I feel like the kind of person, especially in view of the beast relationships or she would just go any there get back together with us. Or try to god more and get them to read. So I can see her going back to her house in trying to deal with the situation, I wish you now want to go, but on this

I had my my mom was friends with all kinds of character than and people, so I could see her just stop in somebody ribbons house. You know we don't really now or planning. and knowing that she would be safe there. Then I can see her I went to the beach her mind? Then? You know or even you get drunk or higher. Who knows what, because that spot that could in particular had a popular for that. So it's hard vacancy going both ways and mean she she making her? for the people in her life, her family to stay through all the things that were happening, but she had other people. Other friends, I just don't know another complicating factor with Debbie's case is that she was friends with some people who live a transient lifestyle. It's hard to track.

These people down at this point her We have also lost contact with her boyfriend locked packed with him the key use, custom, god that she had until it you know, I wasn't there, if I saw until they cut off your server. I dont know where he staying here. Who is where he was? I didn't you Was once when he met my mom, you know some oh, she may under a friend and he was kind of crashing on couches and when he with checking and what the detective telling her every night where he was staying. You have you staying in the different friends house, fellow just China gave me the impression that he didn't However, you know that's, why here's what my mom, because she paper his drugs. When he any good at the place. You told them I'm an added. He was straight up at them. I dont know what he was using

I did find leader was an arms rubber antis by the bed and when I went the queen suffer when he told her the fuck w finally, my drugs, but she never got out. She does drank and that's why, It was with her cause. She bought his dragon. She gave him away from her head on, stolen money and use it to buy a video games, and I haven't talked to him. He hasn't reach down. The last time I talked to him. I called it the asking what kind of dog food astro had been eating so that they could safely switch above, but he kind of had this like No, please call me nobody's checking in me sort of like war with me, but it's just like you. Can you give us? the creeps, we don't wanna talk to you not helping the boyfriend. I have a brief some means of some people that they knew your notion beach, that it would like first name mike.

Nicknamed. Let go find cotton candy. You know like like, oh my god, so we never dared fine, but people Let me have a transience that he was talking about. Like maybe you know, maybe you don't know it up, and I was just Canada. Smart use, chase awake enough. liquor store guy exile with almost lady heard trail. The boyfriend is telling us what ought to be other champion and Elizabeth community of almost he bore a notion beach. Now the weather's great there's local grasshopper, Could you say now it's kind of part of the culture that stuff I can join there between the residents in the treaty. Relations and inaction. Has a past of taken these people were of hanging out with them five. I dont think it far fetched to think of it You know what she's doing just surviving like that. Many people who had known Debbie were unaware of the extent that she was struggling

her family hasn't said much about what she was grappling with, due to the fear that some may no longer help with the search efforts, but We felt like it was time to put it all out there, because knowing her issues may help find your mom, there have been a lot of people on her face the page you now old friends. he had strained relations. Just four friends who had no idea. You know this other cause her didn't really now Does she had any of these issues? Not perfect model insurance, a gesture from an occasional. There should ensure that we have a lot of people who The point I want to find her, but I think we, really were locked him to bring up this darker history of hers. because we didn't want it to shape her case for sheep. The way people saw her in their desire to find her, but I do think

it is important that there is a mental health aspects or worse than those who pass that this could have gone further you know her having some kind of alcohol. Break down drug use breakdown, honestly Some of us were just kind of waiting for. Ashley feels at her mom most likely struggled with mental illness and that's why she turned to substances as a coping mechanism. Debbie was never willing to seek help or even a diagnosis mecca We do that only one, my family and I know as a teenager. I really really back my mom. I get help to get you know that I know We feel like she might have been bipolar, but she was adamantly again coffee anyone about her business to opening up about feeling than her issue any kind of

education medicating, and that was just something that we all knew in you: don't depression drugs in our family feuds We're all we're struggling with it in Definitely definitely think that she was struggling undiagnosed issue, cubits copy. Again she was you know she was making it work, but keeping I know that an arms distance, but she doesn't, she had one of those corky person these two issues: the life of the party. But nobody ever really saw the days that she couldn't get out of bed Hi, I'm ali raisman ivan with migraine for awhile as an athlete

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because they wish they had made a phone call or tried harder to get help for the lovelorn before they disappeared. That's it A common feeling and often part of the grieving process Debbie's family has struggled with feelings of guilt as well. We all struggle with different layers of guilt, because you know we've all kind of had different levels of involvement with her, but we all know that we need the right decision for ourselves and I don't think any of us will change that, but that doesn't isn't that, although we don't love her and that we don't want her to be safe and happy and warm. So I do hope that if she's out there she realizes- or she sees the flyer- the one year anniversary is coming up this month march, twenty eight in my ear, you're going around in reposing fires and just

I know right arbiter there, how much they love her and how much they want her to come home, just in case she fees, because there is a possibility that she's out there. So what happened? Endeavour Deborah on march twenty eightth, two thousand seventeen did she with the ocean that night and was the victim of an accident was debbie, even the person who left her car there no Debbie's car was also missing for about a week. We know that it was left there sometime after she left the bar around eleven p m Following morning when I was ticketed at six, a m steady, didn't have a cell phone. We don't even have that information to look into. Why didn't boyfriend due more to look for her. Why didn't he? report her missing You have gone home and something happened there or did You have a safe place and no one else knows about good Debbie lost amongst the homeless. One! I wonder about others. Two days at Debbie had scheduled off right after her disappearance. she planning on going somewhere, possibly take

your trip to visit someone or did she schedule off to have some personal time actually told me that she goes back and forth about what may have happened to her mom. I personally, I feel I am I fought back and forth. I feel very strongly that she does. She tried to go to the stairs and she flipped and she drowned and her body is his car somewhere in hasn't been found. That just seems the most realistic to me, but there is also the like. I said, the mental health aspect is so strong here that a part of me dusting. tat. She could be out their suffering from fundamental breakage is in a position where sheep, like you, know, I'd screwed up. So much am you know, This point is that a year now- and you know who knows what she is aware that not but reach a point where you ve made so many mistakes in your eyes in your fifty years old and you kids, aren't

talking to you and your families cut you out, and you know maybe it's better to just go this way. I think that's definitely possible and then really heartbreaking to me as we do with you. Wanna do the work with her she's. If she's out there and she needs help them. I think this is dead. really terrible wake up call for a lot of us, but we want to do that. If she does. if Debbie is still out there there, Possibility that she's afraid to come forward because of the attention that our case has received She may be worried about having to explain yourself to those who have been worried and desperately searching for her Ashley wants her mom to know that there is help available if she's out there and decides to come back. There is a possibility that shit out there You know she doesn't want to come home because it's gonna be hard. And people are you know, she's worried people are going to be mad or people are going to be disappointed or he does

You might be regular job that she had you turned her job and they told us what they found out. You know that sheep and struggling with an alcohol addiction. They told us she had a music insurance, We will get her help if we fight her. We will get her the help she needs that will be covered and so know. Those are things that I don't think if she's out there that she realizes that We are willing to do the work till and we have the resources to do it her to be healthy and happy and safe. My ear is with one who works here- and you know that our facebook comments to make especially at the beginning. I am sure that target desk has taken now, but at the beginning that was empty and everyone how just walking past your task really concerned and scared and ass. I time went on. You know

Therefore, you, fifteen european, I think a lot of other people that their long time do so they were devastated. I promised my hands in my my mom. That's right from childhood tat. I would really reiterate how much she loved and that's how much we want her to be faced when I think there they shadows fear that we are talking about earlier, that she just kind of pigs, sheep. She messed up. You watch it. She can't come back. You might have won a mixture that, if she's out. She knows who that's not true. If if any information regarding the disappearance of Deborah plenty please come. At the san diego police department, at six one, nine five, three one two. two seven seven,

time of Debbie's disappearance. She was described as five foot four inches tall weighing approximately one hundred and fifteen pounds with brown, hair and blue eyes. You can follow Debbie's case on facebook at help find ever plenty. That brings us to the and of episode. One hundred and nineteen I liked it actually for taking the time to speak with me. if you have a missing loved one that you like to have featured on the show theirs case of mission form at the vanished podcast outcome. If you'd like to contact me, there's a page and a discussion group on facebook, I'm on twitter, at the vanished pie and also on instagram join me next week, I'll be covering a case from nova scotia for listening. But I am farmhouse out here: colorado,

I called you wanna talk about it here The address and she laughed and said who knows maybe they'll just show up and I laughed kind of uncle. you know, could we had this straight away? in drip, I'm like, oh god. I really hope my mom could just show up at my door, but now that, like all that, I think about it, maybe she should do this both countries that attracted hitchhiking hague, now maybe shored up in full.

Colorado, how my daughter, I just sort of hope, if that's what you do it, but who knows

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