The dave enjoining need me today is the founder of Dylan law group, an absolute free speech. warrior. I'm talkin, first team, all free speech, warrior and now candidate for the republic in national committee, chair army, Dylan army. welcome back to the Rubin report. Thanks for having me, I am glad to have. You hire me that we haven't spoken on while at least on air- and I thought you would be the perfect guess to be our last guest of twenty twenty he'll, because one of the main messages that I'm always pushing on this show is that good people have. to get involved, and just in the last couple weeks you have thrown your

in the ring and you're getting involved. So my first question, I suppose, is: are you nuts yeah? This question has been asked to me by several people who love me and you know they're they're coming, I'm sure dave you've had them where you were like, hey it goes start this new thing or let me leave this cozy thing. I have and follow my dream. I had that one. I I've had that a few times in my life, and I I kind of felt struck by that. So I I discussed it with my husband, we prayed over it and you know we decided. Yes, you feel in your heart. You have to stand up and challenge what's going on at the rnc, because you cannot stand by and just nod and have

another shrimp, cock jail and pretend like everything, is going well when it's not, and so that's really where I really felt compelled kind of felt that way for the last couple of years, in fact, but you know, after the twenty twenty election debacle of president tromp indoor, stronger miguel for third third term, and you know that itself It was something that a lot of folks thought. Well. Maybe it was time for new leadership now, not that it was her fault, but when you are in charge of, perhaps you don't you know quite pivot and respond to the changing election laws and other issues and messaging? Maybe it's time for a fresh approach. Well, you know we didn't have that, and so Oh, she did promise at her last round that she was going to happen. Third and final term and then suddenly surprisingly, she says she's gonna run for a fourth term, and so I said, wait a minute. We have not one in what I call the definition of winning

three successive election cycles. I'm mean here in california, twenty eighteen was a wipe out. We had it was leg. We lost half legation twenty twenty, we lost the white house, we lost the house we barely clung to the senate. Twenty twenty two were barely clinging to the house, such that there is a leadership race that has more conservative members of congress, calling each other names onto per that's airing, their dirty laundry out in public and addressing here, let's sign up for another two years: so this and another election cycle america can't afford for us to continue to be bought the eight ball and playing catch up with Democrats. We just can't, and so, if nothing changes, we are going to expect the same thing, and I I I for one: don't want to be sitting here twiddling my thumbs, all were were ten twenty years behind the Democrats and if we don't have to be because

you know dave, you know, there's so much energy in our movement. There are so many smart, young and middle age, people outside DC people who, who are social media, savage people who are fluent with the culture people who get that the base of our party has shit jeered from NEO cod, Old war warriors and chamber of commerce, messaging and tax cuts for the rich to blue collar workers, and young people who were energized about the future and want to have a home, and family. We are out of touch and I don't think we need to be so I'm here to bring us back into touch and have that attempt to reform the aren't interfering what the base of the party is ok, so I want to unpack all that, including some of the republican inviting and everything else that you touched on their, but before we do all of that fur. For anyone in my audience that hasn't seen you on the show before or isn't that familiar, we do the army one or one real quick. Why did I describe you as a free speech? Warrior? Well, I've been doing free speech.

Litigation. Literally, since before I was a lawyer, I went to dogma that eight sixteen european rural north carolina and at Dartmouth I became the editor in chief of the famous dartmouth review newspaper that Dinesh sousa lord Ingram and many have now famous people on the right have been part of enduring at time. Three of my colleagues were actually kicked out garments for something they wrote about a professor and so back in the day the american civil liberties union. You start do you care about free speech and they sent us a lawyer who, yes, who helped us sue dartmouth's. So at the age of nineteen, I was on sixty minutes time, about free speech issues on american campuses. We won. My friends got reinstated at me off my free met course into a career in law, and so ever since graduated from law school now, almost thirty years ago, I've been working on issues of liberty and

Since I started my own law firm, we have focused a lot on free speech issues in virtually every context, but were well known for our work in media censorship of suit twitter. A couple of times with three times were you know just representing half of conservatives, social media we represent reporters pursued by politicians. We represented the daily wire in litigation in the united states supreme court on, and you know, each project very tall ass. We stood up for their rights in court, and so it's it's a real honour, because it's really the epitome. For me, the first amendment is first for a reason and its that's it's something so special compared to the rest, the world, even the english speaking world. They don't have a first amendment, but we have that and so it's it's it's a passion to do that. Work, and probably a third of the lawyers that my twenty two lawyer for

that work in its really exciting there, and I want to give you a little credit publicly that I've given you privately, which is that over the years when I've had a lot of crazy hit pieces written about me, I've called you a couple times per day, literally the one with the new york times when they basically on the covers that, on the other, the all right and I was I can. I can I see them or whatever and You calmly explained to me that, unfortunately, in the world we live in even with our liable and slander laws like it's tough, it's tough, any it'll, probably cause you weigh more than it'll cost this giant corporation. So you you ve, talked me off the ledge once or twice so I for that yeah, absolutely and and and

just now. I don't care for the record, they keep doing it and it's like now. It's kind of honey that years ago, your bigger than man- and so I you know so that that I believe me in fact the currency has been peddling hit pieces about me and it's very upsetting, but luckily have surrounded by com. People who are like the truth is there you will prevail, and so so it's all it's all good, but you know to leave a job that I'm very passion about two jobs. They also started or not. Products, people can't afford or if you know, for other reasons, I need Bono, legal help for for free- and that is a very active nonprofit centre for american liberty, we represent children who are targeted by transgender rumours, represent on people and free speech, issue,

cause, we represent a host of other a civil rights issues and to leave that in my law, firm, which does the favourite part of law that most lawyers would kill to be able to do all day and get paid for it. That's how passionate I feel about this rnc thing. I love my job right now. I love my jobs but I love america more than that, and I think that we're just driving this thing off a cliff here and we can't afford it, so nobody else stepped up. So I stepped up and the result and talked about it, but ultimately didn't want to take on the challenge, because it is a challenge and I stepped up so I'm I'm going to Let us see it through are so before we get. Is all that nitty gritty that you mentioned earlier just a little bit more on on the big tax stuff in free speech, because obviously we were seeing all of the twitter files dumping right now. At the same time, we are also seeing the mainstream media were the corporate press, whatever you want to call them we're, seeing them completely ignore it. So our divergence between the people that believe, one thing and the people that believe another thing is just getting wider and wider and wider. Do you think

anything will actually come out of these leaks and me beyond the fact that a certain amount of people will wake up. Do you think that there will be legal action either? the? U S, government or further action against twitter and and as that push things down so that you know down the road so that youtube and google and facebook and everybody else might start getting looked at. in a different way as well. Well, there is action against the: u s: government, Eric schmidt attorney, general and and some others are filing suit. Before the twitter files came out, my law firm and the centre for american liberty, soon twitter and a host of other parties, including california, secretary of state. For this very thing, and they it. It was revealed after twenty twenty election that California, my government, right, which I pay a lot of taxes to was using those tax dollars, enemies on the enemies, as our client rogan, o handling. It

de signorina, who was just reinstated on twitter last week? Are lawsuit is ongoing, that kind of litigation is ongoing, but the courts or not receptive to it. At this time. You know we lost the case, the district court. We argued in the night circuit you win or lose based on the perspective of the judge we're on the court frankly. So what is needed, in my opinion, to really reform the situation is for a puzzle, to win elections, republicans out when elections, and it has to be the right republicans if you actually had they know out of touch crew whose in the republic in congress centre right now. Those are the same people who were in their public and congress and set at one, at the white house in two thousand and seventeen or two thousand and eighteen, those were the leaders. They did nothing to address social media censorship. We need to elect new and better republicans who get it. We need to reform committee. issues, decency act section to thirty two not allow basically are free, pass to all kinds of towards, and contract violation

that courts are ignoring under the aegis of two thirty and then we need to create, in my opinion, a social media users, What what do you say to the counter argument on the two? Thirty, aren't we discuss it allowed on the show that certain some people say well, if you take some of those protections that then you'll actually hamper free speech, because the platforms will feel that they are more responsible and then they'll have to go after everybody to make sure everything's. You know clean ok yeah, I don't. I am not advocating the removal of two thirty. I dont I agree with that. There is a provision of it that says that a social media but he can remove content that is, quota court, otherwise objectionable, so it

and another new righted, lest they use that otherwise objectionable to say, vaccine information that, contrary to what found she says, they use that as an excuse to censor things that day, the social media company want to suppress or manipulate or worse, as were learning through the twitter files. They let our government do that without disclosing it. No, I do not think that was the meaning of section. Two thirty at all and congress can make that clear. The law is old. Ninety ninety six law passed to actually protect social media companies. It's an out of control monster, and one of the reasons that day that you say that you another sort of a lack of responsiveness by the mainstream media on these issues. The me stream media has actually been crippled by dint of the social media companies having rights and privilege. to say: do whatever they want, whereas the traditional media doesn't have those rights and privileges and away seedy age, Dirty is really weapon eyes. The growth of this that the the on accountability

of these big social media companies, and so I think there are some tweaks that could be done without empowering the government empowering the users. There should be a social media users bill of rights that says that if they change the terms on you, if they ban, you are suppressed you for reasons that they did not disclosed in advance. You have a right to sue them. We have rights like that with respect to pharmaceutical products products there low of cars that don't work. We have those rights with commercial products. This is a commercial product on pay to use twitter. I should have some rights with respect to twitter, so What what would you say I I've? Actually, I know you do some work, obviously, with RON coleman, who's been on the show many times, and- and we discuss this once on air, if I, to find out, for example, that the government directly had contacted twitter to take down the tweet that I had in July of twenty twenty one saying that vaccine mandates were coming in vaccines were not working as they as promised, etc, etc. If I was to find out

through these twitter files, whatever it might be that that actually, it was because of a government agent talk telling twitter to take it down. What is What is the reward for someone other than that Maybe the government would acknowledge it. Can you sue the government light? Can you be like bowl? I want ten million bucks because you guys infringe on my free speech or is it just purely Yeah we screwed up its back up. Then nobody gets fired. This is the government. While we have been doing the government. The case I just described is like that in the night circuit. I think we ran into a let's just say we ever receive the ruling out, but I was not a favourable reception and then I'd circuit. I pray that in fact, at the end of the day, these twitter files actor started to come out after the hearing, and so maybe you know, the clerks in the judges will see that way. Wow this is actually a huge deal. It isn't. This isn't a one off. This is actually a whole system. That's been exposed a case like that filed an indifferent court might

succeeded, but actually under twitter's terms of service, you have to file it here in California. You know so it's it's. It's been a challenge. I'm confident that over time there will be a case that breaks through that says that this is a violation of the first amendment. I do think it is there are some first member lawyers say: oh no accompanies can do whatever they want. It was merely a strong suggestion from it but you're right miles. Twitter was actually being paid by the fbi. I mean I don't know how you can deny that that's government action, its gets government action, obviously so I'm sorry very animated about it, but I have shocked the judges are making this up right. Well also, if the government was to call me if I got a call from a government agency and day we're not telling you to do anything but just f, why we ve been watching the show- and you ve been saying a lot about that. I might take that as as a threat. Some sort of that. That's why the the grey area here, obviously is where the real stuff is right, I mean, or you know, nice social media. presents and show you have shame if something were to happen to it or you know

there is an audit. You know, like literally garments, so much power over us we're seeing the january six stuff mean they can pay crime and harassed you and so does not trivial to me and by the way I as a first amendment lawyer, I would stand up for the rights of some lead just to be able to say whatever they want on social media short of threats of violence that are true threats or other violations of enumerated parts of two thirty pornography and things like that. But that does not seem to be reciprocal. The left has entirely abandoned, the principle of due process, equal protection for speech, issues on the right yo. You no longer supports my speech, they don't they dont support you being able to talk about gun. Use I mean it is. It is eight one eighty and it is just holy awoke, woke endeavour now, and so we the right, have become the engine of freezing.

It shouldn't on our side. People dont get it so I'd love to see a whole revolution on our side about these issues. ok. So speaking of a revolution, now, let's talk about what what your plans are to do with the republicans. One of the lines that I say on this show all the time is you don't have to be a republican, but you cannot be a democrat and I think that's really resonated with an awful lot of people that the Democrats have lost their mind: republicans its messy they're gonna failure, sometimes but at least there's something there to work with. So why Would your vision b of what the republican party would truly stand for you you hit on a little bit of an earlier, but what the real vision that that you want to sell to the party? Well, first of all, you should be a republican. If you're, not a Democrat, you should not. I really like. Let me just put that on the table. It is a zero sum game. The two parties that are that are relevant in this country and, if you're, not winning you're, losing that's that's the fact of pollen. Okay. So with respect to what I would do differently there, that means we probably don't even have time here but

look the the party has evolved in a certain direction has really been the same. Two people running it for the last twelve years. The base of the party is revolut as changing in a revolutionary way during those twelve years. Some of the same staff from the rights privacy era of six years are still running the show at the urgency today. And guess what those staff or doing their negotiating contracts that are self interested. Hundreds of millions of dollars is flown into the pockets of consultants over the last few years and we haven't one elections. The democratic operate that way the Democrats smartened up after losing election, didn't pack a bunch of money to consultants almost twenty years ago, and they said no. No, no we're not gonna do that anymore. The party will only do the stuff that only the party can do, and the party has plays a very important role. They have certain all roll with respect to sharing data would state parties with respect to fund raising with respect to you know raises certain have, but a lot of the of the stuff do is outside the party. They do it do in a sooner on proper,

its packs and whatever, but still the messaging is led by a party apparatus that is a disciplined on focused on messaging and on their goals. They do not. You know, have little disputes with each other in the in the press and members of congress attacking each other, s doesn't happen on a party discipline and they ruthlessly collect money and d. But into our races, and we sit here and say as republican party. Oh sorry, our rules say we can't do anything about that. I'm not saying that the party should be picking candidates in a primary, but what I am saying is you're foolish. If you let the Democrats pick your candidates in the primary, we have no plan for that. The election laws were changed on a wholesale basis, and twenty twenty and a or b b incremental or that our party was not raising her spending money on election litigation. We were like of others an election. Let's have some itinerant. You know temp lawyers put down their laptop.

And work like a lawyer militia and work for free to save elections for two weeks and then go back to their jobs. It doesn't work that way. We have jobs. We have commitments. You can't just like make me work for free for two weeks, so we have to have been investing like the Democrats did in lawyers like fly us who is funded to the tune of whatever he wants and files frivolous lawsuit, sometimes and just spans the courts with nonsense, lawsuit, but they get through and they win. If there's no opposition, we have not been doing that until the last two years. I will say the chair, listen to me, jumping up and down the street about it, we began to invest in that issue were still way behind. Our cost of fund raising Dave is out of control. It's like forty percent. Ok, I just came from a turning point. Usa, yvette turning points costs to fund raising. Now it's a nonprofit seven percent, or so they raise hundreds of millions of dollars over the same time here and that we have wears out of the three

percent going. What's going on there, it's going into the pockets of people who are not helping us when elections are very passionate about this little donors, mom and pop ups. People like, like my parents, my you know other relatives, they say: oh lindsey graham needs money. You know, let's give him some money, I like him. I saw him on television and suddenly they're like signed up forever to keep getting emails from every republican in the unit. And that can't stop it the pump the pump people die. You know your mom will be held it like the the messenger is so abusive and then big dollar donors are really sick of giving their five million ten million fifty million dollar jackson, we don't win elections, I mean that's, not what they're there for so pretty much. Nobody is satisfied with the status quo, except a significant percentage of the members of the republican national committee will have their power.

their privilege their title, that prestige there photographs of politicians- I'm not there for that- I'm here to win elections, so I can go back and enjoy my life, and so we would be making one of the things that really ratchet up the ugliness in this re stable. The very interesting to know that I think on day, three of my campaign, I tweeted that I would initiate a top to bottom audit of every consulting and vendor contracted the currency, and before that It was a very genteel exchange of ideas and is an acute that heartbeats running. Suddenly, every political consultant in DC is out for my blood placing hit pieces, but it's all going to come out. It's all going to come out. It's been going on there

and talk about what we do about it, because a democratic don't have this rotten corrupt system that, like we, do and look a lot of people in our aren't see. Most of them are well meaning, but they don't control which went on there, and so I think I've had some conversations with numbers have been shocked. To hear what I have said, and I think I changed their minds because you know it's a very top down organization, the aren't see, tells the states, if you want us to subsidize particular walk or method of fund raising went and you have to use our system no choice. We don't give you a choice as to what works better interstate. That's not republican. The Republican is, as is pushing power down to the people. It's respecting the people, it's not calling them names. Some of my fellow members of the earth's media have called voters low information bitters for daring to contact them about this leadership race. I love hearing from those

odors, I don't call them names like that, their voters, yet they may be angry. Sometimes they are, but they are angry for a good reason, because the republicans we don't want so of course they're angry, I'm angry. So I think it is with a relatively simple platform that I've been laying out. As I'm talking to them one hundred and sixty eight four hundred and sixty seven other voters, but I'm also sharing that with the with the public and there is virtually no support for the current leadership outside the rnc and the consultant class who who feed off of us- and so that's been heartening and so way or the other we're going to see change at the rnc right. I mean I agree with the premise there. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of support there, but for whatever reason- and you people can call it the swamp or the the deep state or whatever the hell it is, it does keep going so Outsiders, like you, always have that that appeal battle I see what a two part to this you're talking about sorted under the hood technical stuff, like that, better the problems in terms of voting and what's goin out with one raising, but I think that

also the ideal level that it seems like there's a real problem brewing just in the last couple days I Third Mitch, Mcconnell say that the number one issue on republicans mines is defending crane from russia, and I thought you know, for the four at the time in my life since I moved to Florida, I registered as a republican, but I think the ideas I talk about rent. It resonate with a lot of people on both sides like that in my top twenty waking right, I did. I thought men. I can now see why republican you know that the Oji republicans have just added with you guys. What what do you do about the messaging part that seems very disconnected when he could be talking about, I dunno the economy, the border, free speech, etc,

what I can do anything about? Mr Connell, if I, if I were in the united states Senate I've you honey for different leader, I can't do anything about the leadership race in the house where, because we didn't do that well- and there is no red wave- you have this in fighting this just awful friends of minor throwing stones at each other unfortunate. But I can do something about the hour and sea and the orange he does that the messaging and unfortunately been kind of hostage to whatever and recently, whatever the Democrats said recently were always like reacting to that we don't seem to be going back to our platform or our basic or, as I or frankly, even taking a poll and then talking about what republicans actually care about. We spend millions during this

chair's tenure. There have been millions of dollars spent on consultants on messaging issues, believe it or not, and what you see as the result of that is not very good messaging, I'm sorry to say sorry to offend the people, who are probably going to be very angry and set up more hit pieces about me because of that, but it's true our base does not like or appeal. The messaging did not turn out voters. The candidates did not turn out voters and we sat there like sitting doc spending a bunch of money on them, and you know somebody's cat, like us back to the issue to the left, to find our candidates were letting that happened, because we are not doing a good job, picking them and defining them. There's no party. Maybe there needs to be more about, like cabal situation, ready to get together and say, look guys we're not gonna winnings, we're, not gonna, win and pennsylvania, we're not gonna win in the state or that state. If we don't have a candidate who fits this profile that mean

data has to be good. Are our messaging has to be good? We have to have enough money and we have to be doing litigation around the clock. election integrity is not a seasonal itinerant worker deal it happen. You know. Currency is laid off most of its election integrity staff after the election, as if their We picked the crop, and now we're done. I dunno. Let me do it. We are just so far behind the left. We need to be doing this for a decade or two too, until we reverse the tide and we need to be spent. Ten export were spending on it. Does it seem sort of two black pills to you when people say will look, you ve got california, the most populous stated in the union and its one party it this point at its over and its corrupt. We know just kind of it be I mean I tried, I tried, I could not take it any anymore out. If you know this by the way army three days after the recall action that obviously I was helping Larry odor with I was audited by the state. Coincidentally, the same day that I sold my house or burma has resell

But what do you say that, like the people that are just like? No, we just have to concede. The ground of some of these states cause it The machinery is so entrenched. Well, I can see the ocean from my home and that's why living caliphs then. we got an ocean here in florida. You know sure, but it's pretty good for a year. The pacific is more beautiful. I floored as great too that I don't like those giant bugs you have over there, but by but but seriously. No, we cannot see any part of miracle the laughed and look man. Those of us who are who didn't get the memo, we're still her like fighting vine enemy lines year lincoln was world war two we were told the war was over. Some of us are still fighting that that war. Here we picked up seats in in the house in california, old fashioned burke, John Duarte. I raised a hundred thousand dollars for John Duarte, our new member.

congress in California, hey you, know, he's from a farming community is a farming he's a farmer. Go figure you know you picked a candidate who's like like the district news, good communicator, who's authentic. He had the money cause. People like me and others helped him raise the money that the rnc did invest in california to help and targeted districts, and we we, we, the party of california, pulled that off. Okay. So I think there are a lot of factors that contributed to that. That's good, because we went from fourteen seats and twenty sixteen to seven seats and twenty eighteen, my god that was a wipe out and then we've slowly built back even as we've lost a congressional seat. So no it's not hopeless, but I mean the recall was kind of sad Larry elder was a dynamic candidate and all of that get in your campaign. It started at the last minute and and never having run for office before the first thing you run for advocate. For that. I definitely think that people should learn the ropes we've been encouraging people here in California. This election cycle to step up and run for school

ward or your mom, or dad you're upset with what's going on school board, is not very expensive urine for it's easy to campaign for it's a small universe of voters and we had some success in that regard. We have to be training people to do that. I run for office twice. Unlike the current chair, I actually know what it means to actually like stand out. There put your money where your mouth is and actually stand at the at the bart. The subway station hand. Our cards talk to hostile groups of people raise money from strangers. It's a skill set that you cannot just get cause. You have great ideas, it is a it is a crack around. So I think good. I think that we need to act and we had a good another did candidate, the mayor of san diego and you know, once Larry came and was very popular. That was just that race was just over, but I don't think Larry had had built the team necessary to land, and so george gascoyne recall, ok, los angeles that should have succeeded. I believe it no longer because of consultants. Consultants

who did the signature gathering did not do their jobs correctly, and there was no transparency around that allows degenerated into investigations and all of that? What a tragedy, but here in san francisco in a liberal city, we got rid of the school board. We got ready, our district attorney. So there is a point at which even the liberals, even even twelve dollar avocado toast eating liberals will say no more. I dont want theses in front of my hip bought condo, I'm not so. Yes, I do. that we are that they're persuadable george gascon, who you mentioned just for people, that don't know he's the former da of san Francisco, who ruined san francisco then moved down to l, a bernie, backed, of course, basically ruined, l a and then the recall against him fell. But, as you reference the the recall of boogeyman separatist without one actually work. Have you seen any changes in san francisco? Is there any chance that, because they got rid of some of these guys have by supposed slightly less crazed, left these-

if things are going to get better, I would call I would. I would describe it as a marginal change too in the butt, but the rent from the da is much better. She is talking about prosecuting crimes. She is prosecuting crimes. I don't think we're going to mean at at the depth of earlier this, case of Bu tenure, elderly asians were regularly getting stabbed, assaulted, knocked over killed with no prosecution. That's not happening anymore. I haven't read a single story like that, since Brooke jenkins became the district attorney, she is a probably Democrat. I dunno it's a nonpartisan race, but whatever I voted for her because you know she she was. The person is most likely to Succeed and I live here, and so it matters to me, you know I I I have to call the police, sometimes

the threats that are made to me. I really want there to be a district attorney. Who who cares about that stuff? So I think she's, an improvement. Could we want? I would one day like to vote for a Republican for that race. Absolutely. But you know I'll take I'll, take a better democrat where that's the only choice, so I think that's a good development, and now we have to keep it up, but san francis It has been absolute. Not that's not the point of your question, but this city is so hollowed out and decimated by the combination of covert lockdown work from home twitter, another big companies packing up and leaving it is. It is not the same city as it was, and so yes, in a in a detroit type situation where people are leaving abandoned, houses and stuff in it. Yes, you do see a certain level of you know the most unfortunate of society wandering the streets and somewhat

from mentally ill. Many of them are using drugs and it is dangerous. I don't walk to work anymore, like I used to in san francisco, so how long I'm able to put up with this as a as an option? in our household. The last time I was in San francisco was literally the day they were announcing locked down for the first time. I was there to raise money for locals on the day that be market was crashing and die. well being in san francisco reserve a metaphor for that, but I tell it let's move then from that coast to where I am in florida, where now, obviously, this anti winds by twenty points, he's gotta run the kids have super majority. There is basically Everything is working here. Do you view what's going on here, election integrity, which is working do you view this experiment? here in florida, sort of the blueprint of what you could export throughout the country

I mean I certainly am very impressed with what's happened in florida. It is truly impressive and even with early voting, they mastered it. The aren't you really. It has not. I I I saw the chair yesterday claiming credit for oh, we did this. We did that and and and in fact you know It'S- it's really state leadership that that makes it happen. aren't you may provide financial resources, but it has certainly provide the training to do that yeah I wish I could live in a utopian. You know republican paradise like florida, with the tax rates in the you know the wonderful non lockdown situation, but I wish I was helpful, but guess I think it's very impressive and leadership does matter and, and so republicans can efficiently run state an and bring it back. It's been very impressive. What we're the presidential, or essential presidential candidates of twenty four? What kind of role they play in? I guess

what you're doing now and what you would be doing, if you actually win this thing, because obviously there's really things happening here. There's there's the trump portion of this and then there's this either. Maybe the sand thing or just something that is not tromp. How does that factor in to what you do? right now, and then what you would do as the potential added this thing. So president tramped selected, Rona, romney mcdaniel, to become the chair in two thousand, and sixteen when reins previous, went to the white house as his chief of staff, some of the white house, some of the rnc staff, went to the white house, and then some of them were let go for various reasons and they went back to the currency so basically been the same folks running the show of their present trump indoors, Bravo in twenty eight team, after we had a disastrous election and again and twenty twenty after he lost the white house,

It's so he has not weighed in on this election cycle as yet. Although I saw a report in the associated press a couple of days ago that you know one of his top advisers is quietly telling people he's supporting the current leadership for a fourth term, so I mean I'm one of president trump's lawyers and my law firm represents. My partners represent them in several other matters. Besides what I've done so I am not going to change what I'm doing based on that its it. This is something that comes from my heart to do. It isn't based on a particular canada telling me what to do so, and I don't think it's you no appropriate for canada for this position to seek the endorsement of a presidential candidate, because the rnc is to be neutral on these issues. So that is my commitment to voters, because we have people on both sides in the currency. We have a lot of trouble supporters. I was out to time from voter,

and then we have some people who are also two types of rotors who want to see something different. And so you know the voters in america are going to decide that I'm not to decide it, and so I don't think any of the other candidates have weighed in formerly and that's okay, because I think that you know we really need to see what republicans in the grassroots want. This isn't a top down, in my opinion, should not be, and so I very much hope that we have a grass roots oriented outcome to the selection. What's the technical part of how you get elected actually We haven't like how does Eluder actually get elected, yet we we have a winter of of the and see and data point california, and

if there are one hundred and sixty eight voters or fifty territory, fifty states and six territories. Each of them has three members of national committee, man, a national committee, woman and a chair of the party, and so you have to you know you have to lobby with each of those. Now, if you're the chair, you can cut deals with people based on resources that you have that's just a fact. Some members are very upset that I said that at the beginning of my campaign, hey guess what some of them are shocked, shocked to find out that politics is happening in this doubtless right now. That's politics. You scratch my back I'll scratch your as you, too, you had your vote from bob to sue and I'll make sure you're they had of that committee. That's that happens in the orange uses. Begetting attacks by I don't have that ability rector's. I'm not able to hand out goodies, so that's that's, but I have my ideas. I have millions of republican voters who want to see a change at the hour and see

and ultimately, the members of the rnc are going to have to face reelection or election themselves and there's going be a question as to who did you support and the twenty twenty two twenty twenty three leadership race and so people are publicly committed to the current share before I entered the race monsieur committed, as I mentioned, to running only for a third term, and she said she was out after that, so it was kind of a shocker to see her come out with this long list of supporters. But whatever I'm not deterred, I think it's gotta go down to the wire. We have major donors, calling me cold, calling me I've never spoken before. Members of congress, united states, senators and certainly some members of the hour and see you call me before I call them saying, thank god, you're running, we really need to change. I support you. How can I help you? So it's been pretty encouraging The record I'd be happy to have run on, and I would treat her the exact same way treating you and ask the same type of questions and all that stuff. What do you think the argument is what

is her main argument I mean because we all thought this red was come in and then we'll come and they barely got thou. So it's like we're is the argument that you should stick around for this. As you describe this fourth term, that was never supposed to be. I'm really making you be a lawyer now, yes, why I am an ethical person, so I will present this being said by her team, which is shared a great job and four million more republicans turned out than in the prior cycle, and we won back some seats in different states, she's taking credit for that she's taking credit for the win in florida, new york in california- I I you know, I think everyone who lives in those states can make up their own mind about that. I will leave it at that time, be polite on people like her personally and I dont dislike her not running against her because of a personality and uniform corn. I did a lot for your state. That's really what I am hearing back. I transferred ex dollars to your stayed. I've offered to pay this, I offered to pay that

is somewhat some of it is transactional, some of it relationship, and some of it is so called loyalty. Some of it is. I asked you first I mean then one one argument. As we shouldn't change We're says in the middle of the race me: what's the ratio like racing off a cliff as far as I can tell, we should definitely change horses ray sailing analogy is not a sailor. Is you know if you, if your same for the rocks, you should definitely correct course. Maybe you need to reap the sales if there's a storm happening and you need to like. Definitely, you know pulling some of those sales. So you don't. You know crash, and I think that's you know. So that's the counter argument, but you asked me to say what she said: yeah steady I've done a great job. We should not change the course we're already planning for this convention, and you know where Doing great, that's the message: do you actually think that the the Dnc is not as screwed up and all the all the stuff that you just express frustration with and how deals get done and all that stuff that the

he is not as screwy or or they just better at the screwing ass. You know like if you were to look at the empty ex situation is like they got all the money. Basically, I know he also gave some two republicans, but he was this: he'll sandbagged red freed with second largest donor to Democrats and then, of course, who days after the election. It all comes crash down, meaning that they're just somehow better at the black show and then we just move on, and you forget about all the corruption, something like that. So the Democrats who deftly not history as we are and I think, that's great all? Actually in the democratic party they raise in a very disciplined way, and you know they do have their little tiffs personality have between the squad and nancy policy, but overall, I think they're very disciplined and out for the first couple of years I was at the hour and see we would be cheering raw because we raise more money into the irish sea than the dns see breast is it into the dmz and their quantity laughing because they raised ten times as much money as we do.

But their raise it into the end of a lazy p and the acl you and the michigan welfare rights association and le Rosa and lop Amelia voter those five organizations, organizations that I'm up against in court right now for four election litigation is not the dnc Bab dark. Many organisations that influence our elections and help pick right, wing candidates and moderate districts, and so that we just like we're we're cooked we're thinking. Great we'd be selected this great a conservative canada, but that canada can't win in that state and so reduce like not even talking about that. So there their money, carry ecosystem is far superior to ours and are very disciplined and we are not, and we need to get smart or at gimme your final pitch, and where do you want to send people to find out more at p and j ABA and on twitter is my handle and then for my campaign dylan for our

and see dot com the age I l, l, o f, o r, r and c dot com- and you know please if you are we sit in supporting us, reach out politely to the three members of the hour and see in your district. Do not call them name said some of them are very shocked to hear from voters. Ah, and and importantly, if you're a precinct committee, man or a state party delegate- and you play a role in a state party- call for a vote of who should be the next leader of the rnc that happened in texas and arizona and a standing vote in tennessee, and they all support each overwhelmingly, and so that's been happening all the time. I obviously wish here a lot of work. I also wish you a merry christmas. We shall see absolutely thanks for having me days

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