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like stepping on wet grass bray, then either that this guy didn't didn't like me, spitting where he was stepping, but I don't think that has that's not a function of his or that's not a function of his of his it ignores the true they were they were. He did you like. A conservative would be like yeah man. One thing I like his walk in and she met his true. I do think politics influence people like you. I've bore brought me tat. The dome being gluten. Entire scenes, be a left wing. Elm. Think what a lack of a desire to walk around and choose is is part of the plan. Cupolas through it whether they were right on tell me not to do as a right wing or mean they were correct. They were correct. Yes, I stopped out on the back forty instead you take a little while over the fence of the high grass area. Courteous! Oh Where did you know that you're the word? This means.

I know the consolation, ursus minor, yeah, ok Ursus is the bare family outcome again did you know that of the that the the ursus with the girl, it is distribution. Is the brown bear? Slash, grizzly bear Now I believe it, though As you know, Eurasia. oh the connection with a mere just as the widest distribution of any bear. Theres many versions of fear. Now it's no. These call the grizzly bear ursus coregos was bad pr because what they are horrible remain here. So you get like the le nayan name, You have a we tabled before the nay and they like the latin name. Rise from linnaeus in linnaeus, came up with the way we name animals so domestic dog is enough.

heinous familiars does it one day a name? we are homo sapiens. So self aware human self aware hominid although we have covered this, we have covered linnean. No, now are we homo sapiens? Sapient well, yes see, that's like that's. When things have age, that's called try, no mule nomenclature. So the brown bear slash grizzly bear is ursus arc toast, but there is arc, tells arcos Some some people like like take take take the american bison american buffalo. There is, there used to be this idea that we have bison bison bison, which was the planes animal and bison bison ass, a which was the buffalo. The boreal forest

we used to make the italy did. These determinations were made oftentimes by morphological differences, so you lookin, like this, look at the structure of an animal, the visual appearance of an animal and draw distinctions. But then, once we started getting once genetics. Got involved. It started showing the things that we thought. the measured by that parameter by genetic markers things that we, we're very since some things we thought were very similar are in fact, not similar at all. They just happen to like accidentally arrive at a place with a kind of look. The same right in the extreme version will be, birds fly in dragon flies fly so Some want go like they must be closely related, but back. They came to flight through very different paths. Okay, so there everything were like one, Converge and evolution, soul

yeah, like ideas about convergent and divers evolution. But in those cases like this similarity that there's things that we would see and some will be like other similar because they both blank, but we really that doesn't denote like a close relatedness genetics dispelled some of those misunderstandings, but it also showed us that some things that we thought were very different are, in fact, very close together, like, for instance, that the abc islands in alaska admiral, the baron off and was that chick name. yeah it's admiralty island, barren of iron and then the sea island? Third to go there polar bears that those ok those bears a net isler like Ursus article six? If so, they're like coastal brown bears we'll get more, and this second chick a golf go on chicken violent ethics teacher here this is their c h in both places of that one, polar bears, are

a recent offshoot of Ursus arcos, so polar bears. These are, if you just from a genetic perspective, polar bears are we are almost like a cousin of almost like a clean of brown bears? and polar bears are very closely related to the brown bears of the abc islands even those brown bears tend to be darker than others. Brown bear, grizzly bears and other parts of the world. oh coloration, if you like older, you like you, You might look at billy, ok, that that the the in the bears of interior north last castle, the grizzlies of the brooks range, are tend to be blonde. So some of be like also that if, if polar bears are shoot off of god, the brown bears.

I would imagine there shoot off of those very blonde ones that are already in the arctic, some of the bricks range when, in fact Those bears are not tightly related as tightly really two polar bears, as are the brown bears the abc islands. Now where was I going from there? Oh, so another added thing of that is this is the point I was trying to get at because I'm trying to go way deep. The anger talk about a grizzly bear semi attack, but I'm going to go I'm going way deep because here's the thing I just want to clarify a point that Brown bears a grizzly bears. Are all ursus arcos waste, How do we used to have this idea that we had all these different sub species of bears? So we like The courtiers brown bear, which are the biggest ones in the world, then yeah like polar bears, its their own thing, arctic mare

time is something sunlight. Arts maritime is so my della marine bear is regarded as a different species, though very related and any you like. The grizzly bears the lower forty, eight and interior northern canada. Those are all one species in the way they talk about genetics as they talk about it. Being clay so, rather than subsidies, they now talk about played like genetic groupings of bears. That are all kind of the same thing, but hunton, lingo and around you build chime in on this in hunt lingo When someone says a brown bear what there is owing to the day coastal grisly of alaska, correct, but now I've always understood, though grizzly bears are brown bears, but not all brown bears are referred to as grizzly bears see what I'm saying

a brown bear is a grisly. So really can be a brown bear or grisly, but you can't call A brown bear a grisly because its We, like you say, and if you are in wyoming you you would not be to say hey, I saw a brown bear or you will be assessed all brown, but now a grisly is around her. A brown bear is not a grisly. The word grisly is delineation of where they live. Yes, so sweet you would be incorrect. Saying a grisly on kodak island by ok, but but but what yeah If we're too, if we're switch in the hunt, lingo the Yes, but even normally you know yet does the robbers correct yeah we're talking so I think that you gave your talk and like it in linnaean, like scientifically ngo, it would be that a grisly is a em of brown back racked. Yes, yes, the five, because we always get that confuses. I will

brown bear a brown, is not a coastal grisly, yet A grisly is an inland brown, but is it doesn't go both sets out? Yet that's I'm trying to get saga. Yes at this point, so that that that's a good clarification like if you want to go, I read about the whole broad general family of of of these types of bears of Ursus architects, crap that is you would begin the top of the final reform of the final earlier, the up the tab, the final would be brown bears. Yet then from there you will find your way into the The himalayan brown bear. The the interior rocky mountains. Grizzly bears either all clash occasions of brown of remembers so, but like in in the way we in the way that hunt do? I use the term now or talk about a grisly we're talking about a a.

Grouping of brown bears that had do not live in coastal environments and do not have access to salmon correct there. Now exploiting marine resources. Yes, they are Are in the interior, those bears tend to be. The heavy grizzled appearance they can silvery blonde lighter and your call stall bears tend to be caused them to be dark brown running to chocolate. The bears they a the largest of this whole group of bears, which are many and varied from romania and the himalaya all over the damn place. the largest ones live on the kodiak archipelago.

which includes a fog, nac, Ila fog, neck raspberry, kodiak and also a minor island. We talked about this the other day and the alaska peninsula and yeah, and did we tell about this the other day that those bears the bears on kodiak and the fog neck? An raspberry. Have been genetically isolated for ten thousand years to recover this, he did, we did catch it so of doing their own on their own vibe for long time, more foes, very big, as my son would say. not bad move. Oh, she doesn't know anymore for actually spells out. You know that their animals that are counted as bad That's honestly lay low, unnecessary groundwork for four for what's gonna come next now where we left off. On the last episode, we're fixin to do some erika and on a fog neck and as other primer labour. Watch television young, third television show that dr commercial break dig they out of courtesy.

as a currency to the viewer and also as a courtesy to their budget, spend some minutes, just re calving what they covered a moment ago, which saves them money in production and also like gives you keep your speed. If he does in the programme, we me and remy worn Jerusalem elk tags on a fog knack island in nag island is just separate. From kodiak island by our narrow straight, and I remember the name now nikobob straight pornographic. That might not be the exact pronunciation, but Asbury street utilised about your, has a risky name, a russian aggression name in inertia, which is the big more open ocean between the mainland- that's the rough real rough seas there. Yet it's it's. We did a real clumsy as since we did a real clumsy recap of of general bear taxonomy of your real clumsy recap of coastal. ask history, now

The russians were real heavy work, real heavy in area in Erin the other they would use. Is there in it for fur trading, so seal they'd, come in primarily targeting see, otters or buying, see otters from indigenous hunters way. Doing all that kind of stuff. and then we bought it in all seward bought for life, a box. People were real mad at sanity, get ripped off and turned out. He got himself into a gold mine, so does This place came in the: u s, ownership, it wasn't via box, but he had a slim area being be an extreme here and maya in my assessment of what you paid for it, but yeah. He got a scream and deal on people caught appears, call it seward's folly, thought you get ripped in the enemy he the guy did a great turn for his country.

So in some of the areas than coastal ask others like still camera a russian influence and names You know it is in this area in particular, is a lot of russian names, as vary from the long. Even the airport. English and russian is really all sides now So we do these these these, these elk tax, that a fortnight, ireland does not traditionally have Elk and the elk they captured a thing Nineteen or twenty calves. In the early decades of the nineteen hundreds from the olympic peninsula. When I'm in my bedroom. Looking out of my bedroom window, I'm looking at descendants. I'm looking at the home range, the former home range of the Elk that now live on a fog net. They two releases One of the releases of calves would you think, we're just gotten wipe the fact that that worked mind boggling yeah. I can't

that's it seems like hey. What's this year, would like old boss cow right, you out some boss, cow, who's got some background in dealing with, bears just surprising that they could lift, and it wasn't even meant it was eight roosevelt Elk calves captured on the olympic peninsula of washington state nineteen, twenty eight and they didn't even cut them loose till twenty ninth. We somehow kept son's bitches alive for a year turn loose Hell hole? but the thing they had gone form is a familiar terrain. Labour day where just day nowhere near, as is the dependent, olympic peninsula, pretty prestige to as many goes from sea level straight up. There is this year, its viciously steep viciously thick. Guys that can go. You know guys that can routinely go in there on public ground and kill elk no in coastal calls the washington I washington on the back. Yes, like I haven't done it once have

I haven't even given it a shot. I haven't been there that long and hadn't really given it much have given it any shot yet, but I know enough to know that a dude who consistently, philip tag in caused a washington on public ground is a hunters hunter bad novo year, a bad how far is consistently doing that jason belt seek his teeth on the game, call maker, jason, phelps, That's his world man for the fact that, like that, Heaven is bodies like do it is testament to it just it just, nothin like you, but some glass into like spying on an open and see how it over again and use in their shaken hands. Libya for those do like. You know that like sixty yards pen like if you get a shot, it's ten yards top in the EU. you cannot really rare any out. It got these l from their kidnapped and I got question later and may be premature, visitor

But did those the elk they got relocated to fog neck and have their size and like general demeanor parallel the native olympia olympic peninsula elk? That's great question: dirt ready asked it. Roosevelt Elk are the biggest of the now november. You can answer this body size, so you have four Elk mass turn into a taxonomy of soda for from hoddan perspective, elk or alex out at same damn, nay, nay, but we make them up we we break them up in a different classifications, their deadly, not sub species, but classifications, rocky mountain, tooley, roosevelt and I now I could. Iran is live and liked to places yet california, in california the valley right, yeah, well, yeah from like bishop to the coast, and in their zalm.

and maybe they earn around anymore manitoba nook manitoba. Now and they may have been larger than residents, but now currently roosevelt. Yet because what was the native Elk of lake michigan and was gone surprise? I don't really manitoba, I'm not positive laws. Reintroduction efforts were all double rocky mountains yeah, I think, riddled with. Probably it was probably large was extirpated may allotted like you. I knew you on this back jakin man- I am all for you like you could ah, but you can also throwing hegemony of the fresh air. The disease is one. I answer that expenses. I really want to give my new fan. Volleyball court lines,

so your backlog down fact checking the honest, there's, no mere maria milk. You could also throw in there and minutes open. As remy said eastern elk know, I'd have to dive a little bit farther to see what they think is still alive or not yeah, but the main species are the tools, the rocky mountain and the roseville. Just the roosevelt are the largest bodied rocky mount, are the largest antlers and just in configuration in size, I would say the tools are the same: this body their antlers grow more like a red deer which is crowned effect at the tops just to get a picture yeah now just to make just two people do so? This is all think we're done for not known to all the answers here. Allow the answers are unresolved for internet, for instance, of all the types of bighorn sheep there used to be the idea that there was also the audubon bighorn in the autumn on bighorn was an eastern montana in

dakota, badlands K and it had been shot out by minors and killed out by the introduction of domestic sheet. In through disease introductions on domestic sheep, now Questions of like is the audubon sheep, it legitimately its own sheep, or was it just day rocky mountain? So we get it all this tax. Our tax now make stuff like that used to be like a set of understanding that is getting that is getting eroded by inputs of new information like for it at a time. I think that people talked about thirty ford of caribou were some crazy thing like that, and now that lists has and greatly reduced to now. all caribou: reindeer of north america. Europe and asia are now regarded as the same species, differently

of the same species from a genetic perspective, so well oh yeah, so they take. These cares and the olympic peninsula cut them loose out there, and then they do another introduction and eventually that herd on a fog neck gets built up. You may go able: why would you go in turn, a bunch of animals that don't belong somewhere loose somewhere else great question, because the practice that we were engaged in very heavily in the early ninetys hundreds that were not engaged in now. you would never get green light. Now. to go and establish a population of Elk, in ireland, where they were not native, because the fear would be that you were gonna upset a delicate echo. logical balance, but in the early nineties hundreds prior to that in other places

There was just this idea that all animals should just be everywhere that they that it would kind of work, particularly big game animals, so on kodiak they cut loose black tailed deer you're, not native there. They cut loose mountain goals which are not native there. They cut loose elk neighbouring afar nag. What you're not native there as well as india. They com reindeer because they are domestic heard, the ended up just becoming pharaoh, yeah sure So you would never like you would never two million years get the go ahead to do that now, buff little. A lot of it. You yes, out of it to you, I think has to do with the way if you, if you lived on cognac island during time in the year. Deuce these animals you're looking around you're going well. This is a land of plenty, but there's not a lot of red meat running around there's bears in theirs fish and

There is no way to get food dakota ireland so everywhere else in alaska. You can set up a settlement and you can go shoot amu, seeking issued a butt If you're going to get sick of eating brown bear meat, I would imagine yeah so they say, least sick sick from it. So they release these animals, primarily food source to get people. They come Oh yeah, I can live off the land here, I'll start settlement, mom a family and I'll do whatever and will make Your mind, wastewater, dear you're act like I'm, making a value judgment. No, no, no I'm just saying I'm just the radical yeah, the rationale of like why and it was even thought of yeah. Now, kate, Let me lay this one idea, because you like you, you you, this point news firm for an american you're, an expert on new zealand right. As far as I am cons, gonna turn out and look at you. New zealand when they were doing all these introductions?

they were doing introductions earlier there than they are here than they were here, but there The committees called familiar like familiar familiarization committees, yeah, who, who is good oh it'd, be like so the equivalent. The conservation group today called a familiar familiarization committee. I believe whose goal was to establish the fauna of europe into new zealand to make it more like home here, so we The park and you see a red squirrel run by all and make sense, so it was like people just we're back then were into effort for all kinds of motivations. Into like, why not have more game animal, Land sounds good to me. The funny thing about it to me is that you'd never get it to go today. probably not because now you need to establish that it was present and was extirpated by whom,

causes in order to do in order to do, and we don't interactions with you re introductions, if you the stab was. It was historic. We present and wiped out by people. This wouldn't fit. though doing the pleistocene. There wasn't elk interior alaska, but they Some loose here because, like why not why not have more meat on the ground what's funny? but to me, is that you have those those, introductions that occurred and they manage them in perpetuity even though they would never get the green light to establish it? Now like other here now now, we're going to manage it in a conservative fashion. They they don't we them to explode in numbers, and there able to control the valve through how many hunting permits they issue yeah so inadvertently. I think I now believe

They made the most difficult elk hunting on the planet by cutting these out loose on a fog neck island. If I could go back in time out bind the guy that came up that I do not punch him in the paper yeah. So where are we that we're fixing to do some hunting knew? It was foggy because you shit right and rainy rain in five minutes, oh camping in this horrible at times miserable camp conditions boy? remy had done hub for on a farm and we were colleague following the plan was the mimic rubies previous hump plan. Yet like remedies like I don't I Hey. What's gonna happen, I don't really know if it works like it worked before. and we can find them in a valley. I found a man, it's just come down, do: will we get a chance like have a look, the other way their cooperate. If the weather cooperates its.

gonna be It's not gonna, be that it's a challenging haunt it's a challenging like set of experiences. Yes right, could you ve got get through the shitty. Whether to get to the point where you can shoot one, then you have to get one that you shoot back to camp and the terrain lends itself very poorly too easily getting back to canada, no two ways about it: it sucks walking through yeah, it looks nice. You could watch the episode that I wouldn't get there in an hour. Not four hours later you're gonna be slogging through stuff really discouraged. Well, we put some numbers to it. It took us five. hours to travel to point seven miles the other way: the crow flies two points of miles as yet so to point to cover two point: seven miles as the crow flies just

with your travel round deviating from that straight line from just from topographical features, took five hours to travel not do down in other. That's like that's that's hard high, yeah yeah yeah making five hours we are not doing and refers to as Jimmy dick and really is a very well could be double the actual distance yeah, I usually, I think, you're the double, but you can't you can't There's no such thing is walking a straight line and there's some major climbing involved in between and that made climbing the way that brushes. I feel like it it's very similar to walk through knee deep snow, or can that new owed ice now? the amount of energies yeah I think it's even worse because like if you get, if you get no situation where the tall grass or like the others, grab your leg, then you

And you don't have that snow. You know so like your expending energy, trying to keep yourself up unlike yeah the brush gets two thirds like wading through snow man is a rain again cooking grab a chinese, no men who want to knock down the whole time only go back to the point about it being double. Let me explain: now all we are you going to examining right as we like you dig in the day you going away from can't get to a pass and then you go across a ridge up over the you know, the top of a you know, small doll to another pass then go down, so you've got the zig and zag, but then also you figure when you're going up If you said like camps, only twenty feet over that pass rate because you're at the top of the pass and you're looking almost straight down at camp, and so that that linear distance, as the of lies is only whatever what is it? Five hundred yards, eight hundred yards,

right, like you, can make a shower the rifle, I'm always needed here. So you actually going down twice at the top of that peak, we had to go over your at fifteen fifty and camps at three fifty. and you could deadly law bay. Twenty two round down into your tent not lie You could shoot a twenty two well down into your tent from that peak, yeah, so steep, Besides it is deep as you'd, want to walk. Oh yeah without ropes forty five degree understand is a lotta distance. It's not accounted for. We need Was it a vacuum in the zig or the zigzag outside turn, just the the inner up and down now on a trail you go and several miles an hour ago. Hikers covering few miles an hour trail. So that's a thing so anyway, we finally get like you can't hunt.

Does the generalization generally with notable exceptions. One cannot fly and hunt on the same day in alaska because It would encourage the practice of locating animals from airline your plane and shooting at which they dont too, Why, in the places where you can fly and hunt on the same day, places were that doesn't work. Quarry isn't really conducive to that kind of approach. Anyway, like Jane, like humble, Till dear deer, jelly Does it lie now that you would like find a blacktail from your plane, land and shoot it? That is the different kind of critter and a different kind of habitat caribou. They were look out real well and you not. The needle that have a night passed and you want the next day. So we cannot. Firstly, we landed now that we have, Opportunities anyways there the next day, just fog,

Then we hiked up to us spot or we could look down into a valley known to be frequented by EL. They ram grammy's past experiences and in conversations with the pilots who fly over the area all time and then just walked up So, while Israel foggy why back down soaked next day walked up so while real foggy and walked back down so well The nice they walked up said was real foggy and then we decide to hang out of those a third day. yeah. What day was the day that we walked through the real brushy shit? Thousands I can do Second, I done away. I see that it was foggy yeah. That's it de. We flew we hiked up to hop direct,

The third day was the lake hike nova yeah. We stayed low and then up I'm just clarifying. For my own mind for day we went straight up yes insider said, may, as foggy start, a fire whisperings whisperings of clearness come and gone devoted a lot of time to try to start a fire put up some tarps to get out of the rain. Then all of a sudden. I would like an angel noise, but it was like an angel like clearing your leg. Clouded blow through we're say in fog. You know it's not far to rein in the clouds. Yeah clouds, rain you're in the clouds- and I reiterate my room- is like up in a you like in the thing when it's raining the things the reins falling out of your standing in that thing, The scene, fog sounds nice, as you climb up into a cloud and then there's like rain around happening around you. It's like a garden hose with the mis setting on all the time yeah exactly at.

These clouds had blown and be gaps between the clouds in during the the gaps between the clouds were looking down, and lo and behold. two point four miles away. A ball stand in their wake. Unlike sent from the heavens. And in the bull, probably vantages and vanishes. The new little thicket an end We notice in a creek down below the ball, we notice what looks like two or three other elk that make her little real, quick appearance there. There are quite a ways off, and so we started hoofing down toward these elk. travel that this is what took a lot? And so now it's already in the afternoon right here, late after

We are in no time to stop for lunch right? Let me I ain't ever that's where you do not even have timed eat memory on food, find the bull that we saw find the bull that was sent from the Heavens, the walk out of her to walk out of order patch and present himself review. find him bet it up on a little high spot, a little a grassy, no grassy no end and The in here in this area is like all greatly like kind of high grass suggest I grass some knee high mark here and there a big ass, spruce tree. We get a big s bruce tree between us in the bull and the bulls Lang there and lay there for a long time right up until the point where we get about three hundred yards away from it and I'm getting ready to prop my rifle up and take a poke at him. Should he stand up and he just walks and vanishes crazy at this

Why? We start talking about how maybe it's getting a little late who be trying to do this now pray three thirty four year san. My we might, even though its not dark it might be getting into foolish territory, but can t You are to be issued because we have to remember we're still that giant bear country, but we have yet to see a bare yeah evidence of bears like bears, walk in the labour, they have done had had What seem must bitter, pretty healthy sock? Ireland is based on the amount of carcasses strewn around on the beach some bears feed item and while we're in matters like steel head in there and allow the sort of coal holes or silver are in there as well. And so you'd see some bear tracks on the each in any kind of starve them out and find a new bear. Drag on. The beach

and one day on, one of the trails up by the pass we had. Tracks on our tracks. So there round, but had laid eyes on him. And but you're you're aware of their presence in humanity where the product is your whole life been like hearing about. Cardiac bears the bad move. Foes who endorse the jute in earth, what you say: ursus isotopes used, be hurry what's the hurry, bizarre lewis and clark alerts, three was they got tangled up with him a little beatin right now. So we keep precedent and. gonna give up on the bull that we knew about. Remy If the few bugles did some cow call, nothing the world's going to stand there or we didn't know what the he laughed laid down, can locate confined can I see them release it gave me a perspective on the like. The high

of the shit you're walking through was one that el disappearances ike. on any other high. You see an animal go into a small like timber standard, Tristan give course it could disappear. This Elk, which, massive. What like a is least used without over that. We then cover that we get a k. We didn't have proven be extremely valuable today than ever larger yeah, but, but so in this so you're. Looking at this alchemy, like looking at the landscape knit, it looks fairly close because it is two point four whatever and then actually wanted this peer we're? three hundred yards away, and he literally in what looks like like I was that exceeds the knee high, but Anywhere else totally vanishes like ceases to exist. Names like you guys are glass and that small chance I mean it was tiny era,

It is not a sign of nope, but then not, I would say, cease to exist, but then, all of a sudden, he re materialize later in fact, had not ceased to exist. He was just from our view perspective had just like I was no longer on the earth was socked up a phantom affair. The phantom out, no so at the dirt earlier point. Roosevelt of rolls over the biggest body of the Elk, but the biggest Versions of Elk are here: I don't know that yes near the water, they are larger than that their needs, as they only have balls up they're here, where we are now they have bulls or with a few miles we are now. they have both the tipp, the scales that one thousand three hundred pounds, while ridiculous,

yeah. That's a paragon on on the giants right on the giants leg you they're, saying that when you pack, when you could be pack and said a hundred pounds of meat and bone doubt stolen hours, near biggest of the big giant there be some, maybe some bone. Alas, I gave a fisher seven hundred to eleven hundred on average for bulls, which is It's quite a span there and that's, but that includes the other islands as well, or is that just yet okay yeah race, cars are as raspberry, edelman, edelman's or so fog. Nac has the largest of the large roosevelt Elk yeah, but you know these weights like they're varied, but as far as finding the biggest. You know if you were going to go out and have like a find the biggest bowl thing you'd go here and weigh all these bowls and you turn up the largest specimen, and so you keep yeah, and you look at those like the stout man like stout. So

He present along. because up ahead of us, we we got some cows in and we hear bugle rip out ahead of us and normally, when you hung out in me, it's places in the rockies, whatever you'd hear a bugle rip out of hagia and you'd sit there. The binoculars for a couple minutes, you'd be like oh, there is, it ain't gonna happen. This mountain were walking across the face of is I'm not exaggerate. There is a full balls out creek every thirty to fifty yards- and I want to say where is coming from and when you get the creek. It is a I would say at least the chest to head high street drop it's the devil's club mentor, ranging from yeah you're right, like ranging from a six to twelve foot goalie with a villain, legal, acceptable, grist mill in every.

I think I'm the one. Where is the water coming from it's coming from that cloud that sits on top of the mountain all day, long and all night long days, even trying to be like yeah, so I'll, be like two years so yeah so you'll hit a spruce, then cross thirteenth street in the tat will be the fourteenth stream bed. Well, that's like a function to of the you know which direction the faces point exactly like. On the other side of that drainage, it was like, by used, you still have the same water. It is comes in the form of these, like giant grassy, marshy meadow where the stream, instead of being right, that kind of cutty, king and feel too- and this is like a stream- is moving through grass in zaire like it. It's like a louvieres fan where you might across two hundred yards of water from like the guard on your boot Tell your angle: the kind of moving across all of us

Yet again, the louvre fan looks like this, like a flooded field, youngest, walk in and like a flower, nosey Y, all her well irrigated hayfield yeah, but with yet was always currently ass, light movement of the water. so we keep press long and we ve got these cows out ahead of us, At this point, I having a lot of trepidation, unlike aware of the time, I keep looking at my gps, be like no matter what happens is go turn into a late one, in remy spots, pretty incredible spot near man, the really eagle eye spy It's a bad one, horrible and worries. is the antwerp ass, a single, a fork for in a pile of differences that have highlighted our kind of couldn't blue at once. You like learning what you're looking for macao as a good spot. Laying down You ve got one six point. one main being was six points on it.

In the way these l look that they cannot. If you're flew the red deer, were they crowns on top the way these aliens look you're so compact they get like a red dearest quality too. you like a little three point crown on top, so he's gotta go main being that comes out of a bay That's bigger than a beer can yet, and I think, the way their antlers gross as a function of their size. Big and they've got so much weight that when they fight You know they need stout base to keep from breaking off to the balls. They have the bigger bases in the heavier antlers. We're gonna be the ones that can plow through that other. In fighting. They do right. They do so. We, We want to see in three balls on. We saw three bulls: yeah like, but if you saw more balls, were missing so through the buzzer sought. So the way these animals work is like it's way bigger than a beer came when a girls out of his head, but then the eye guard,

is sort of mash down into the base as well, so that it's like the eye guard seems almost kind of come out of the base. Rather than having like a chunk, you kind of put your hand around and in the eye guard it's like the eiger the base are kind of mashed together. This is real like fixed our antler with very short time coming out of it. So it's gotta I guard than two times in like a three time crown coming out: the top in the whole thing, the the whole would the whole? Maybe ms three three on the approach short, crazy, like on the latter In one of me to snapped off above, as I regard the finnish spy, is snapped off on it but he's lay there. come on awareness, but phase in us and Can a mess around like trying to get laid out on a sharp reject faces too it's one time years ago

kill him. I took eight dead on shot. On a bull moose like a brisk, is shot wishes devastate a deer, you see that the little colic that form on their chest, you know, and I at that and it just wasn't a lethal shot on a moose too much meat and bone, and what not and a lot our parliament has sticks in the way. Really at a clear angle. I moved over you, Well, that the ball little bit trolley. I was trying to get you to get it to not run off. He was becoming aware of our presence. He knew we were. There stood up. Eventually, he turned enough where I could snake one in on a like quartering a steep core going to a shop. and that shot would have done. The would have done the trick. Are you after

autopsy. I realise that shot would have eventually it would have done the trick, probably within some number yards already spawn started running and I had another one that shattered front labour here. He had his long shot out. And he then Tom, down into one of the deeper creeks and landed smell ass in the water like really in the water. formed a small damn you Colin powell when he hit the worry formed an empowerment. This creek is how down from probably thirty feet thirty thirty feet and probably only ten feet wide oh yeah, maybe that's out It was and there's a waterfall just behind yeah, picturesque yeah, very very canyon, the worse place, he proudly could a phone on that hill did in the that happened in the mirror walked over there. He goes like

If sums can be, it wasn't even like celebrating, because you can, like our man, is getting late, and yet we are a five hour. Walk from and it's already late. It's evening, yeah yeah, it's evening now such a big body too yeah I'll, remind listeners that this turns into a grizzly bear story, because this turns into a brown bear story, and so we start cotton on in rarely pointed out that he it kind of like having the oak laying in a creek cause. It was easy, very easy to keep things clean. Yeah. You would make I caught the big. Oh man there's some hair on my knife that you just like hold your knife and decree. It's really isn't. Everything is like looked licked clean at the kill site, but There is no way to move it around and renew readers had to start work and at what was exposed. So we Pull the skin the spine.

work to hide off, got a bag leg. I've gotta, shoulder off, got a backdrop of both out the ribs of the gods still in the same boat. Alba neck. remove the head. gotta tenderloin out with the got stolen thing. Got a roll over another hundred pound corridors brought, would get the shoulders, probably not by the backlog. I think I hear that the corridors The front shoulders, I would say, were very similar to back quarter of of. Average size rocky mountain Elk yeah and I think the back legs were like borderline like moose legs, like probably one hundred pounders, and we say Jani yeah Very hard varies so then we gather the whole thing rolled over, but you also conduct in fact chicken. What's what's what's what's what's what young,

Well, I'm going through. Never one we had. We did the five questions from frank Van man and dogma. Grizzly bear I'll. Just pull data is refreshing so Could I know we're in pay talk about numbers about how many exist in the world two hundred thousand. Oh no daylight percentages of bare sprayers is firearms and that sort of stuff all ill at all So there are now no to be so on foot. It over did the same thing all over again. Did you guys see the the battle wounds on the first sight or the law. That's what I want to talk about, while some he's a fighter fight so wake everywhere, animas bruises in it like we're. he fell. It wasn't rocky, so we, like you, didn't get bruised up and is he waited all old old

no scars on issues like or is losing out. His ribs acute might hear that broken ailer. He had break at antler. Like you know, thrash brought us going to make a point about the broken hours, You see a lot of broken tides. A lot of places right leg were guided rooms. Guy, you price, the unbroken tides compared to broker main beans is probably I don't know, A hundred one could be. Everyone we saw was broken Maybe they're not competing. I think there's competing theories on why some areas have a lot of broken. Why I will, in some areas, have a lot of broken antlers and I'm sure, there's someone that knows the proper answer. Maybe not. I heard that it has to do with mineral quality this? El gamblers are inherently weaker, some, El in some areas produce a weaker ailer, because of mineral quality in the soils, and I

heard that it's a function of remy shared this one with me, the he believes a better explanation. It is more of a function of cow to bowl ratios yeah did they? that that any time spent fighting to breed. that in areas we got, you know ten calls for every bull, boys they will stay out of skirmishes. But these areas where you have high bold cow ratios their spending more time in the dock and struggles in there just break more hours. I Does he accept theory down in arizona? Does the unit, yet they just their managed very well for a year. Equal boulder care ratio in the bulls has had to do a lot more fighting cause. You go to a neighboring unit that got the same terrain and everything, but just manage different, not as many goalkeepers yeah the three ups vision fightin right here,

We're not gonna do one of them fish but they spend more. They do they they're able to devote more of that energy to the one after the other year or so. Where was I offered little hole in the hall and his rear hand? He had of skin is we're, like all someone like almost shot a third time that I forgot about, because, yes, its large wound on his rear hands, but when you skin the hide back. It's like a perfect inch. Diameter whole punch through his hide were tine punch through his hide and then went into his rear ham. Several inches yeah, it's just an infected mass, just be up. Yeah he's take up vision, so brightly pretty good vision, honour so We cannot allow so now

now or anything like that. So so here you are you got six guys. He knows me in remy enemy. We mercury, guys and in in a a work in liability of this line of work is that you get when you come out like crew, guys get equal cut of all me if they want it. But they also carry it. What we share that didn't, carry our exe. Added to my share of fighting, I also wouldn't walk like we would, but maybe not as much because we share with the office crew as well. Not on this one. Now, when you carry do you feel oh. you're carrying your one sixth poor here when you as a ridge when you carry elk urban pack, me do feel like I'm pagan me in order to get some. Are you like unpack any does, because this is a saki thing that needs to happen a little bit above. I like, if I'm

I'm gonna take any hall a night is gonna watch you guys carry a bunch away in some shitty terrain. I wanna like help out because already have a tuna gear with air and it and when we do get strapped up with me, it while leaves me a gear, is kind of a superhuman dude, so he can still charge up hills, but I it makes me a little slower. So I can't like run out and get all the shots at. I normally do and we're on were unloaded, but I dislike. eh, especially this one? I just work as couldn't sit by Hike out with an empty pack cause we're in a we're in like a like just kind of uncomfortable, so yeah yeah. So we goes me and we know that, because we're going to be hiking, in the ground, so bad like did? The walking is so difficult that And it's already in it's dark out now that we know we're not going to, even though there's six of us and six people can carry like trail, like six people can absolutely move, normal elk, with like nothing big of a deal really like

Does I gotta go ahead trail wide for few miles? You just take the whole thing up and go but this is cut out of the question, because we have so much vertical to gain and lose were not on any kind of a trail for the bulk of it and we have a very large patch of brush. We should also mention at this point when the last meat, when the bag, it is pitch black yeah headline force in pittsburgh, pitch black so the first thing we need to do is go earlier, I mentioned in how now and then there's a big ass bruce we had before it got dark, identified a spruce tree that will be adequate to get whatever we couldn't carry up into the treaty, miss spruce was directly appeal from us, so we get done butcher in the EL in first step is to, because now is dark and you gotta, but nice.

gaudy smell blown everywhere. The first step is to try to get some separation of the meat and the gods. Thinking that when a bear or any kind of predator. Really, comes in and claims that kill site. They I am anthropomorphized in a little tiny bit, probably not too much they I know that they might lose it to the next thing up so You find the kill and udall you can't just assume that it's yours for the next five days. So what He's generally do is devour soft tissue. because you can do is wolf it down its high calorie food, no common in mopped up like the liver goals quickly, The long is aiming to soup right up does take a lot of work. They like to get on that stuff. First saw the general thinking and bear country is. If you remove, you're you're me your bone in corridors or whatever removed.

from the gods. Does Is it a bear? Is going to come in and the first thing he's going to do is claim the thing with the the the the. the soft tissue, the greatest amount of smell all the blood he's gonna pick that and you might greece all with me. If it separate. So we move all our meat not far but the gully up onto a little grass, another grassy, nor an enemy. take half of it loads, packed with half of it in hike vat to a big sprucely, yet in hang half of that up in a spruce about price, twelve to thirteen feet up in a spruce tree with the theory. That Nothing can get it. Yeah, mature great, like cubs brown barracks, climb a tree, but eventually the eel.

Distinguishing feature morphological difference which in black bears and brown bears. Is that blue there is have a short hooked claw. Grizzlies, have a long relatively straight, more sickle, shaped claw and, as a grisly gets big and heavy Those clause, the with their long in straight Those clause do not lend themselves to climbing their morphine digging They gotta dig and claw. They spend a lot more time. Flippin raw acts dagon roots just there. Their food resources are used differently, they tend to live, and more open country can live. Quite happily, in the total absence of trees, you do not find black bears in the absence of trees, the old adage is to tell them. Prince between a black baron, a grisly, is, if the bear

time's up a tree and eat you? It's a black! That's interesting thing to bring up in these. In coastal alaska, the islands There are some minor exceptions is with, but this is a decent job Bleacher is a true. It's a truism the islands either have blackberries grizzlies. Prince of wales, island is a blackberry island right. Admiralty island north. If there is a grizzly bear out, they dont coal, mingle on islands. It's a suitable habitat, acute singer, if it's suitable habitat for a brown bear, that's who's. Gonna live there. If it's, There is an ideal and is because it's not suitable habitat for brown bears. If it's not too will have to have. A brown bears is probably heavily timbered and there's no open com. They tend to like open country, yet they use it better. So we get laboratory because these I to planet entering the meet up, then we go back

down to buy the kill site, get all army and start hiking at ten thirty p m git to our camp at three thirty, a m- some freeze dry, go to bed about four. Thirty am fairly eggs asking gear, ternata tuckered out is a full day form talk all day. Two hundred now by the time you get like a reasonable amount of sleep and also than wake up and regrew, like you, gotta mass right yet stuff to clean up? We have get the meat we brought home, get it, you know get it situated in a way that were happy worth. We put it inside a hot. Why we have like little portable hotwire fence we put the means are there, but with the next everyone to establish Another hotwire fence that wasn't the same. Hotwire fancy contained our tents, get them the ground in another tree?

I originally like the night. We got back all late at night we put the meat inside the hot wire fence that also contain tents, and the next day we wanted to get it up in a tree. where could breathe out and be up in the breeze and habits? and containment the fence around it, did all at Has showbiz itself take care of care of, had a monster fish catch him to do with our talk and meet them It might be hard to come back to it but day, since he goes draw your mouth. You see another your child teeth and violence. You and us like some hard canned yourself was about disrespectful. I do have a little pith stuck between health. It is this one, but I

because then we're the meat hung for what was it three days four days and we're a little bit worried about the condition of the meat, but you guys take it to the processor I'm guessing got to handle it. Look at it and smell it. How was it good that it farewell that are loaded? I thought look good. What what? What? What see now are top up, there's a way out of order as a way out of order thing to bring up. Look fine mcgann, it's not cold. Here. It's like it's not like normal. You know, I mean no you're in a coastal environment here and it's like always cold, but never cold, cold yeah. Now that you've ever got below forty yeah, not great meat hanging weather and when it's real. What is all this rain rises, a lot of rain and never real cold. So when we got back flu, out and got back to town first order. Business is trying to find some place too that we can get our meat killed off because there was already borderline in a thing that this

smell that. That like bloody game bags were bloody game bags. Take on a smell that is, I go now. The good smell and it's a precursor to smells. You don't want to smell, but it's not in and of itself a bad smell, but it's an indicator of bad things could happen soon smell it's a little off. Putting we were in the bad things could happen soon smell phase. from having the meat not be ill dry out, because the rain everything's wet. Forty degrees like animals in a creek, too so another nothing ever dry out now, but yeah these. look good. They thought look good too. yeah, we paid some boys too I like do tat, retired drug dealer, repaid the boys too Two. Process and freeze are our thing for us, to get back where I was caught. Some fish

How do we know the the bare fence was hot. Mr Sutton yeah. I told them. I touched the wire and then see what and then I gauge what kind of jolt that gives me and whether I'm not satisfied with the job, whether I feel that it will be a deterrent or not satisfied satisfy point being the point, all this being weakened? strike off to the hang in tree you're, either bob moulds on hang entry. Should I throw myself from a tree, you don't know that one. all death a story. We ought to tell some time that story about that. Dude three would tell the story. The guy I the spurned lover, what's that bighorn sheep on area, the dude tristan used a guide in. his name was interesting- was an old. Wasn't he

glaciers earlier tourism ledges at the boy s name was dressed and long. Hair leather, cowboy yeah oh erin Erin. You know the story, he told us yet so he used the guide bighorn sheep in bc, yet in kansas, never had a name is like the blank yeah. What's the big horn area up their ramey, like rocky being horns ill, in bc or Alberta, could be Albert the albert busy line it's a w word. Whites know how things like that. Can whitmore canmore it was the whitmore. I remember that cause I was on that trip and there yeah the area, I think maybe the area called the whitmore yeah, but anyways yourself, a stone sheep country in bighorn sheep country. I think the spine of that. The spine of that range is the Bc Alberta line. Jani. Look it up.

The whittemore win more wilmore will more me so Quick digression is interesting story. Does a guy the outer he the word for you to have a horse packer in, horse packer wasn't camp with his girlfriend kay, the horse packer in a girlfriend, gettin fight, he grabbed the hunker rope war, often off and a half never to be seen again. it became a mystery years later Someone is diccon around in that area, finds a school in spinal column, hanging from a rope what do they stay? Obviously, search for money, hazard or when he hopped off can ever find while was assumed dead, bad argument.

Someone finds a school and a chunk of spine hanging from a rope from a tree and they'd excavate the ground beneath them and are able to match up his bottle from his boots in his rivets and stuff from his genes with what he was where and when he vanished serbia. the next day we go back to find our way back. Then we shall be should be mentioned that the rest day was a glorious score. Lawsuit disguise drying out clause only day of the whole trip. Bluebird dry out close, but the sun hook, fish like nobody knows the sky to actually be. You have never ever drags on, you always indirect son, I gotta bath, and it was warm enough. Did you hear that? started in the creek yeah. I didn't know that oh yeah, that was jealous we had a son went from peak to peek on the same ridge. I lived

I saw the negative we wake a bright and early and break off for the hang in three cases we had a better round. It took us four hours to get the hang entry now watching the kill site we the kill site about a hundred yards up? small tributary from the main stem creak of the valley we apply. what's kill site from across the main stem together. I level with the carcass which is laid down in a tributary on the other side of the main stem from us. and were able to get a gander in there see that At least the carcass has not been moved right in. It can be of a bear had claimed quickly, probably would have drawn off buried it would look different, does bunch magpies in air and

a lot magpies make a lotta racket right that helps alert. You know auditors did to got good goin on they. They feed off. Information, but the card Is there where we left it? seemingly undisturbed, but we still, pick a route that goes clear of the carcass. Toward the hang entry now get up by the hanging tree with due number of things. Got pepper spray drawn was pistol drawn those drawn pistols out? We're spray out all making a lot of noise yell unaware, I was yell into him. Did I got some spice for that mean that he, like my parents, we're gonna, we told them to their. There was the if he did like it. He was good.

Followed up with some lead chasers, so are being very intimidating and who in holland, and yet we have not seen anything now we ve so evident that think anything is wrong, bears and we glass to that. Hang entry earliest eyeglass at hanging tree eyeglass answered you for my glass it until I can account for everything that was false, be in that hanging tree. So that point we're done everything as good as we could do. Now, there's some hindsight issues, no, no locate from that point The one mistake I would say, but there wasn't an option. The one mistake is the hang and tree is surrounded by very thick brush. Yes, but the nor that there was no clear, hang entry. How big you think, like the diameter around the tree was clear,

in their like a rat like from the base, the trade to the like circle, a brush, I would say it was a writ from the tree. There was a radius of maybe fifteen feet fifteen toy. Basically, the canopy of the tree, yeah It was a heavy thick enough tree and l must take shade under their wanted. Sonny. Like it ever get sunny. It must give There is, I noticed when we're in there in the dark as lot elk shit. And bedding bedding. impressions on vat trees or on a hot day. They must to get onto their same way. Cattle will do in the given their bed up in the shade of that tree, I noticed that. So in hindsight, is a shitty hang and tree, but there wasn't like a good version right crack That is a bad choice among bad choices. You could all we have. The foresight having I think been there before too, like as you

Will the trigger and you watch you die in the daylight at that moment? To then do a thriller sixty degree scan may away point on the best, hey injury, and we did. We did now The main remy argued about the best hanged. our argument wasn't based on This clearing our arguments based on proximity, no was based on so I was going for a tree in an area that I knew socked for travel a side of the drainage that I knew was sought for travel, but it was a known sock Remy was saying: let's go across, it can't be worse. I travelled and he's a good guy parts that are better and I said because it's dark because were loaded our heavy. I think we should go for the known sock instead of that

in hindsight, that would history would have been a better tree. Yes bc, you guys didn't really consider the whole like opie, we're not talking about visibility under the hanging tree yeah, but either side We have been the same visibility, both thought so in order all hell holes and gullies, so here's, where things here's, where mistakes target made, I get up, to the hang and tree And I notice a- smashed, I notice a smeared bear ship. and you remembered zimmer me getting down on my knees to examine that shit. Oh yeah yeah because I and my initial thought was: did it look like of shit that was smeared ma bear a bear. Rack, smeared shit. and I got down to examine it, and, unlike

I don't remember that being there, but. it was nighttime, but it was like nighttime and it looked like a boot. Then I was like it must be, a boot smeared. It cause all smeared out now that we were stamp and all around here we must smeared their bare. and it was a salmon fuelled bear ship. It was That grey more shit from one their feed non sam and look like, and it was Smashed looked at that and was exit abou or bear tracks mere that and I looked at the tree and allow the stuff was hung up with pair accord and in the tree. There's like knoll scratching, the tree no cited disturbance and also a cell. There was in there really like trying to climb. Naturally, I felt that he might of actually like boston, some of the peace. The pair court enshrined like reach round do all this business up there That is our northern evidence, except that smeared ship.

So then we make a giant mistake. Side to sit down and have some sandwiches and we had a m s, our stove with us at a part in amerika pop got passed around and everybody was who wanted a quick, Starbucks, via was the is to throw in a small amount of water into the pot. I don't, ass. My Water bottle into the pot. And there was like a little excavation dug out now, no by an activation dog under six of us huddled on one side of the tree The spacing about like over and now it was during this during this packs- came off packs him off.

Numbers high. As I had a bad are in one area, then I got up to grab the pot somebody had sat so now. People are actually sitting by paxton aren't there, so my pack is now across from us reach, as are my personal bear deterrent, their stolen bear spray, but they were glad to get the hang entry. Europe packaging is the hand shriek is a new moved into my so we're kind of we did this weird shuffle where nobody was near their own pack waited? We sat by still tight morgan. I regard roughly like people in a living around a coffee table, for instance, may maybe my ted tighter than that I gotta say too. We were pre worked hi can in that was a great spot, taken away any risk of around bear her features, but we do have the usual assailant chats Bobby. I was like it was nice yeah. There's I walk into a nice bed

double light, the fire for no reason I have had to citizens to drama that tree so nice under the tree. The first. Post to hang in trees, selection mistake that we made was that we under the hang tree. and decided to linger unnecessarily long and let our guard down yes what we did that caused us to linger unnecessarily long. Let our guard down and divorce us from our deterrence. Being pistols and spray. Was the eye deal that we would have some sandwiches, there is, would and some coffee so our desire to have sandwiches and an idyllic setting.

In the relief of having not had our kill site claimed by a bear which the, alas, The department of fish and game says, Often happens on the first night but we had allowed, and in a half to pass. and to be fair to us: how long was the hague to the hang in four hours for I sell for our high up and then down and through Third country and one point: five and eight ass and one point: five past we got there, we're all pretty hungry and it was like vanguard bear- is here, yeah yeah, that's how I feel, because days down my hasty, bit of sign. Reading back by remedies. Hasty bit of sign. Who also said oh looks like a bare been here. You set looks at that. I came up a little bit late. You must not a fell.

I say we I mean these aim is used that have now been trampled it, but I I that's why I looked at you and said it like. Oh did you step you know like but I got my knees to examined, but I wasn't there for that. The idea than I did a faulty read on that. I'm too, full blame unsigned, reading fault in us I saw what I wanted to see. Not what was there. Second mistake was I others did not say, let's get while the kittens good, not I would have it wouldn't have mattered, wouldn't know would have mattered because it could have been worse now now we can look and be like it couldn't have been any better. Oh yeah, yep every option from here on out is like it could have been worse, there's no way it could have been better likely at one hundred per cent because of what unexplained happen because our our act, of eating sandwiches, just the only

the mistake of the eating. The sandwiches was us letting our guard down, but when we got tree. Our guard would have yet been down regard. Yes, our packs would have been off. We would disarray packing meat, so there's and disseminated ominously. My orders drags attracted by climbing loring stuff dot accurately and spread out in film Instead, we are clustered taken amerika, so I get my suit. it makes me to say, was that is just the color of the heels of haven't had a bad sandwich. now. Just may, though, this is getting yourself that when they found so bad, it made me a really bad sandwich holidays for, and I will end here, I ride very dry sandwich and I was reprimand them in told them as much and

told that when I send the pros and cons is going down as a bad name. He sent he hands over a spectacular sandwich, best amateur like seeing which s job to parlay may have heavily emailed re. Read. Sailors were And what did you have? The did you have the stove fired up, be ironed out at all in this whole time and I was eating my sandwich some folks were commented on. Why was my sandwich? So nice That was Romina yeah. I was looking at that sandwich. I noticed him actually looking at your sandwich, I'm like I've been looking at that damn sandwich to his sandwich, looking at my sandwich and looking at the meat that was still in the bag thinking, this is bull and I was just opening my mouth and beginning to form a sentence to the effect of

kiss my ass on the sandwiches, because you didn't see my sandwich last time. I had a sandwich when all of a sudden there was like, oh pat yeah, what stop? Alright? Alright, First of all- and I do this euro loved it I'd know, another will be a real european. I'm like like you act like. I did didn't that I'm not going through this in a way that makes sense to me, I think, His tension in the room I'm looking around and I'm seeing what I believe to be sweaty palms and people gripping their shirt, tails ptsd, I feel, like you know what I want to do causing I want to have someone know. I am not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, but I have a slight feeling

of wanting to have someone else wrought run point no on explaining how this when I was actually going to recommend that you tell the whole story from beginning to end as now hunger do without anyone else has now do adding it and then we can adopt. The is all thought out. how how I feel that this should be approached. Unless someone else really sat down and thought it out. me, I'm block on it a real live in the experience that thinking about how to tell me I mean, has there we ve, taken people from the pleistocene epic up into the sandwich me like, I feel, like I dont know that big mistakes have been made and name ago and so on great. I register.

An explosion of holy shitless. Now, over to pat because the first person pat, what was the first thing so amid the sandwich making what was the first thing that happened so I'm listening to everybody. You know praise me for the sandwiches and criticizing their sandwiches and that and I'm sitting here enjoying my own pastrami sandwich and thinking how how wonderful that the strategy's in my mouth and I hear ass, my right Some panting some deep, in a guttural breathing. Can you can you mimic it It sounded like a dog panting at first, like from far away like and just kept getting a little louder low, low, deeper

scarier sounding sounded angry too, First, it seemed fake cause. I was like no no way this is happening, there's no way when a bear attacks you. He actually makes such a nasty and there's there's no way A bears actually gonna like run up an attack us right now, let's just crazy girl, rarely sitting under three hundred pounds, a really good album, but you never expect that to actually happen to you, I'll drag and- and I mean it was selma- is like prepared for on this trip. You know we knew that it be big bears out there. We knew there's potential, but you never actually expect to be like straws. Attacked by a brown bear and so I'm sitting there here these noises. and it s like it's like ok this happening? I think as a this person to say something like. Oh my god. What's that noise, and then all of a sudden within two seconds, theirs

on top of us. man, I hate to do is to you. I know that you are on the edge of your seat way. Here what happened when the brown- bear that we ve been alluding to enters the story. It is Worth your weight, its, What I'm doing do right now is awful. It's terrible. The man did this to me out, punch him, but I'm doing it to you. You're gonna have to tune in next week on the meat eater podcast to hear the fight, no culmination the resolution of the affair. Mackinac island, brown bear attack, charge. Mayhem, story. or. there is more alike.

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