Afognak Island, AK- Steven Rinella talks with Remi Warren, Dirt Myth, Ridge Pounder, Pat O'Connel, and Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew.
Subjects Discussed: The sprawling distribution of Ursus arctos; binomial nomenclature, the Linnaean classification system, and the finer details of brown bear taxonomy; Seward's Folly; how elk got to Alaska; bad mofos; a little bit of elk taxonomy; the shittiness of Afognak; quartering an elk in the water, battle scars, busted antlers, and other stories surrounding Steve's bull; getting attacked by brown bear, and more.
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Where did you know that you're the word?
This means.
I know the consolation, ursus minor, yeah, ok
Ursus is the bare family outcome again
did you know that of the that the the ursus with the girl,
it is distribution. Is the brown bear? Slash, grizzly bear
Now I believe it, though
As you know, Eurasia.
oh the connection with a mere just as the widest distribution of any bear.
Theres many versions of fear. Now it's
no. These call the grizzly bear ursus coregos was bad pr
because what they are horrible remain here. So you get like the le nayan name,
You have a we tabled before the nay and they like the latin name. Rise from linnaeus in linnaeus, came up with the way we name animals so
domestic dog is enough.
heinous familiars
does it one day a name?
we are homo sapiens. So self aware human self aware hominid
although we have covered this, we have covered linnean. No, now are we homo sapiens? Sapient well,
yes see, that's like that's. When things have age, that's called try, no mule nomenclature. So
the brown bear slash grizzly bear is ursus arc toast, but there is arc, tells arcos
Some some people like like take take take the american bison american buffalo. There is,
there used to be this idea that we have
bison bison bison, which was
the planes animal
and bison bison ass, a which was the
buffalo. The boreal forest
we used to make the italy did. These determinations were made oftentimes by morphological differences, so you lookin, like this, look at the structure of an animal, the visual appearance of an animal and draw distinctions. But then, once we started getting once genetics.
Got involved. It started showing
the things that we thought.
the measured by that parameter by genetic markers things that we,
we're very since some things we thought were very similar are in fact,
not similar at all. They just happen to like
accidentally arrive at a place with a kind of look. The same right in the extreme version will be, birds fly in dragon flies fly so
Some want go like they must be closely related, but
back. They came to flight through very different paths. Okay, so there
everything were like one,
Converge and evolution, soul
yeah, like ideas about convergent and divers evolution. But in those cases like this similarity that there's things that we would see and some will be like other similar because they both blank, but we really
that doesn't denote like a close relatedness
genetics dispelled some of those misunderstandings, but it also showed us that some things that we thought were very different are, in fact, very close together, like, for instance, that
the abc islands in alaska admiral,
the baron off and was that chick name.
yeah it's admiralty island, barren of iron and then the sea island? Third to go there
polar bears that those ok
those bears a net isler like Ursus article six? If so, they're like coastal brown bears we'll get more, and this second chick a golf
go on chicken
violent ethics teacher here this is their c h in both places of that one,
polar bears, are
a recent offshoot of Ursus arcos, so polar bears.
These are, if you just from a genetic perspective, polar bears
are we are almost like a cousin of almost like a clean of brown bears?
and polar bears are very closely related to the
brown bears of the abc islands even
those brown bears tend to be darker than others.
Brown bear, grizzly bears and other parts of the world.
oh coloration, if you like older, you like you,
You might look at billy, ok, that that the the in the bears of interior north last castle, the grizzlies of the brooks range, are
tend to be blonde.
So some of be like also that if, if polar bears are shoot off of god,
the brown bears.
I would imagine there shoot off of those very blonde ones that are already in the arctic,
some of the bricks range when, in fact
Those bears are not tightly related as tightly really
two polar bears, as are the brown bears the abc islands. Now
where was I going from there? Oh, so another added thing of that is this is the point I was trying to get at because I'm trying to go way deep. The anger talk about a grizzly bear semi attack, but I'm going to go I'm going way deep because here's the thing I just want to clarify a point that
Brown bears a grizzly bears.
Are all ursus arcos waste,
How do we used to have this idea that we had all these different sub species of bears? So we like
The courtiers brown bear, which are the biggest ones in the world, then yeah like
polar bears, its their own thing, arctic mare
time is something sunlight. Arts maritime is so my della marine bear is
regarded as a different species, though very
related
and any you like. The grizzly bears the lower forty, eight and interior northern canada. Those are all one species in the way they talk about genetics as they talk about it. Being clay
so, rather than subsidies, they now talk about played like genetic groupings of bears. That are all kind of the same thing, but
hunton, lingo
and around you build chime in on this
in hunt lingo
When someone says a brown bear what there is
owing to the day coastal grisly of alaska,
correct, but now I've always understood, though
grizzly bears are brown bears, but not all brown bears are referred to as grizzly bears see what I'm saying
a brown bear is a grisly. So
really can be a brown bear or grisly, but you can't call
A brown bear a grisly because its
We, like you say, and if you are in wyoming you you would not be to say hey, I saw a brown bear or you will be assessed all brown, but now a grisly is around her.
A brown bear is not a grisly. The word grisly is delineation of where they live. Yes, so sweet
you would be incorrect. Saying
a grisly on kodak island by ok, but but but what yeah
If we're too, if we're switch in the hunt, lingo the
Yes, but even normally you know yet
does the robbers correct yeah we're talking so
I think that you gave your talk and like it in linnaean, like scientifically ngo, it would be that
a grisly is a em of brown back racked. Yes, yes, the
five, because we always get that confuses. I will
brown bear a brown,
is not a coastal grisly, yet
A grisly is an inland brown, but is it doesn't go both sets out? Yet that's I'm trying to get saga. Yes at this point, so that that that's a good clarification like if you want to go, I read about the whole broad general family of of of
these types of bears of Ursus architects, crap
that is you would begin the top of the final
reform of the final earlier, the up the tab,
the final would be brown bears. Yet
then from there you will find your way into the
The himalayan brown bear. The
the interior rocky mountains. Grizzly bears either all clash occasions of brown of remembers so, but
like in in the way we in the way that hunt
do? I use the term now or talk about a grisly we're talking about a a.
Grouping of brown bears that had do not live in coastal environments and do not have access to salmon correct there. Now
exploiting marine resources. Yes, they are
Are in the interior, those bears tend to be.
The heavy grizzled appearance they can
silvery blonde lighter and your call stall
bears tend to be caused them
to be dark brown running to chocolate. The bears
they a the largest of this whole group of bears, which are many and varied from romania and the himalaya all over the damn place.
the largest ones live on the kodiak archipelago.
which includes a fog, nac, Ila fog, neck raspberry, kodiak and also a minor island. We talked about this the other day and the alaska peninsula and yeah, and did we tell about this the other day that those bears the bears on kodiak and the fog neck?
An raspberry.
Have been genetically isolated for ten thousand years to recover this, he did, we did catch it so
of doing their own on their own vibe for long time, more foes, very big, as my son would say.
not bad move. Oh, she doesn't know anymore for actually spells out. You know that their animals that are counted as bad
That's honestly lay low, unnecessary groundwork for four for what's gonna come next now
where we left off. On the last episode, we're fixin to do some erika and on a fog neck and as other primer labour.
Watch television young,
third television show that dr commercial break dig they out of courtesy.
as a currency to the viewer and also as a courtesy to their budget,
spend some minutes, just re calving what they covered a moment ago,
which saves them money in production and also like gives you keep your speed. If he does
in the programme, we
me and remy worn Jerusalem elk tags on a fog knack island in
nag island is just separate.
From kodiak island by our narrow straight, and I remember the name now
nikobob straight pornographic. That might not be the exact pronunciation, but
Asbury street utilised about your, has a risky name, a russian aggression name in inertia, which is the big more
open ocean between the mainland- that's the rough real rough seas there. Yet it's it's. We did a real clumsy as since we did a real clumsy recap of of general bear
taxonomy of your real clumsy recap of coastal.
ask history, now
The russians were real heavy work, real heavy in area in Erin
the other they would use. Is there in it for fur trading, so
seal they'd, come in
primarily targeting see, otters or buying, see otters from indigenous hunters way.
Doing all that kind of stuff.
and then we bought it in all seward bought for life,
a box.
People were real mad at sanity, get ripped off and turned out. He got himself into a gold mine, so does
This place came in the: u s, ownership, it wasn't via box, but he had a slim area being be an extreme here and maya in my assessment of what you paid for it, but
yeah. He got a scream and deal on people caught appears,
call it seward's folly,
thought you get ripped
in the enemy he the guy did a great turn for his country.
So in some of the areas than coastal ask others like still camera a russian influence and names
You know it is in this area in particular, is a lot of russian names, as vary from the long. Even the airport.
English and russian is really all sides now
So we do these these these, these elk tax, that a fortnight, ireland does not traditionally have Elk and the elk they captured a thing
Nineteen or twenty calves.
In the early decades of the nineteen hundreds from
the olympic peninsula. When I'm in my bedroom. Looking out of my bedroom window, I'm looking at descendants.
I'm looking at the home range, the former home range of the Elk that now live on a fog net.
They two releases
One of the releases of calves would you think, we're just gotten wipe the fact that that worked mind boggling yeah. I can't
that's it seems like hey. What's this year, would like old boss cow right, you out some boss, cow,
who's got some background in dealing with, bears just surprising that they could lift, and it wasn't even meant it was eight roosevelt Elk calves captured on the olympic peninsula of washington state nineteen, twenty eight and they didn't even cut them loose till twenty ninth. We somehow kept son's bitches alive for a year
turn loose Hell hole?
but the thing they had gone form is a familiar terrain. Labour day
where just day nowhere near, as is the dependent,
olympic peninsula, pretty prestige to as many goes from sea level straight up. There is this year, its viciously steep viciously thick.
Guys that can go. You know
guys that can routinely go in there on public ground and kill elk
no in coastal calls the washington I washington on the back. Yes, like I haven't done it once have
I haven't even given it a shot. I haven't been there that long and hadn't really given it much have given it any shot yet, but I know enough to know that a dude who
consistently, philip
tag in caused a washington on public ground is a hunters hunter bad novo year, a bad
how far is consistently doing that jason belt seek
his teeth on the game, call maker, jason, phelps,
That's his world man for the fact that, like that,
Heaven is bodies like do it is testament to it just it just,
nothin like you,
but some glass into like spying on an open and see how it over again and use in their shaken hands. Libya for those do like. You know that
like sixty yards pen like if you get a shot, it's ten yards top in the EU.
you cannot really rare any out.
It got these l from their kidnapped and I got question later and may be premature, visitor
But did those the elk they got relocated to fog neck and have their size and like
general demeanor parallel
the native olympia olympic peninsula elk? That's great question: dirt ready asked it.
Roosevelt Elk are the biggest of the
now november. You can answer this body size, so you have four Elk mass turn into a taxonomy of soda for
from hoddan perspective, elk or alex out at same damn, nay, nay, but we
make them up
we we break them up in a different classifications, their deadly, not sub species, but classifications, rocky mountain, tooley, roosevelt and I
now I could. Iran is live and liked to places yet california,
in california the valley right, yeah, well, yeah from like bishop to the coast,
and in their zalm.
and maybe they earn around anymore manitoba nook manitoba. Now
and they may have been larger than residents, but now currently roosevelt. Yet because what was the native Elk of lake michigan and was gone surprise?
I don't really manitoba, I'm not positive laws. Reintroduction efforts were all double rocky mountains
yeah, I think, riddled with. Probably it was probably large was extirpated may allotted
like you. I knew you on this back jakin man- I am all for you like you could ah, but you can also throwing hegemony of the fresh air. The disease is one. I answer that expenses. I really want to give my new fan. Volleyball court lines,
so your backlog down fact checking the honest, there's, no mere maria milk. You could also throw in there and minutes open. As remy said eastern elk know, I'd have to dive a little bit farther to see what they think is still alive or not yeah, but the main species are the tools, the rocky mountain and the roseville. Just the roosevelt are the largest bodied rocky mount,
are the largest antlers and just in configuration in size, I would say the tools are the same:
this body
their antlers grow more like a red deer which is crowned effect at the tops just to get a picture yeah now
just to make just two people do so? This is all think we're done for not known to all the answers here. Allow the answers are unresolved for internet, for instance, of
all the types of bighorn sheep there used to be
the idea that there was also the audubon bighorn
in the autumn on bighorn was an eastern montana in
dakota, badlands K and it had been shot out by minors and killed out by the introduction of domestic sheet. In
through disease introductions on domestic sheep, now
Questions of like is
the audubon sheep,
it legitimately its own sheep, or was it just day rocky mountain? So
we get it all this tax. Our tax now make stuff like that
used to be like a set of understanding that is getting that is getting eroded by inputs of new information like for it at a time. I think that people talked about thirty ford
of caribou were some crazy thing like that, and now that lists has
and greatly reduced to now.
all caribou:
reindeer of north
america. Europe and asia are now regarded as the same species, differently
of the same species from a genetic perspective, so well
oh yeah, so they take. These cares and the olympic peninsula cut them loose out there, and then they do another introduction and eventually that herd on a fog neck gets built up.
You may go able: why would you go in turn, a bunch of animals that don't belong somewhere loose somewhere else
great question, because the practice that we were engaged in very heavily in
the early ninetys hundreds that were not engaged in now.
you would never get
green light. Now.
to go and establish a population of Elk,
in ireland, where they were not native, because the fear would be that you were gonna upset a delicate echo.
logical balance, but in the early nineties hundreds
prior to that in other places
There was just this idea that all animals should just be everywhere that they that it would kind of work, particularly big game animals, so on kodiak they cut loose black tailed deer
you're, not native there. They cut loose mountain goals which are not native there. They cut loose elk
neighbouring afar nag. What you're not native there as well as
india. They com reindeer because they are domestic heard, the ended up just becoming pharaoh, yeah sure
So you would never like you would never two million years get the go ahead to do that now, buff little.
A lot of it. You yes,
out of it to you, I think has to do with
the way
if you, if you lived on cognac island during
time in the year. Deuce these animals
you're looking around you're going well. This is a land of plenty, but there's not a lot of red meat running around there's bears in theirs fish and
There is no way to get food
dakota ireland so
everywhere else in alaska. You can set up a settlement and you can go shoot amu, seeking issued a butt
If you're going to get sick of eating brown bear meat, I would imagine yeah so they say, least sick sick from it. So they release these animals, primarily
food source to get people. They come
Oh yeah, I can live off the land here, I'll start settlement, mom
a family and I'll do whatever and will make
Your mind, wastewater, dear you're act like I'm, making a value judgment.
No, no, no I'm just saying I'm just the radical yeah, the rationale of like why
and it was even thought of yeah. Now, kate,
Let me lay this one idea, because you
like you, you you,
this point news firm for an american you're, an expert on new zealand right. As far as I am
cons, gonna turn out and look at you.
New zealand
when they were doing all these introductions?
they were doing introductions earlier there than they are here than they were here, but there
The committees called familiar like familiar familiarization committees, yeah, who, who is good
oh it'd, be like so the equivalent.
The conservation group today called a familiar
familiarization committee. I believe
whose goal was to establish the fauna
of europe into new zealand to make it more like home here, so we
The park and you see a red squirrel run by all and make sense, so it was like people just we're back then were into effort for all kinds of motivations.
Into like, why not have more game animal,
Land sounds good to me.
The funny thing about it to me is that you'd never get it to go today.
probably not because now you need to establish that it was present and was extirpated by whom,
causes in order to do in order to do, and we don't
interactions with you re introductions, if you
the stab was. It was historic. We present and wiped out by people. This wouldn't fit.
though doing the pleistocene. There wasn't elk interior alaska, but they
Some loose here because, like why not why not have more meat on the ground what's funny?
but to me, is that you have those those,
introductions that occurred
and they manage them in perpetuity
even though they would never get the green light to establish it? Now
like other here now now,
we're going to manage it in a conservative fashion. They they don't we
them to explode in numbers, and there
able to control the valve
through how many hunting permits they issue yeah
so inadvertently. I think I now believe
They made the most difficult elk hunting on the planet by cutting these out loose on a fog neck island. If I could go back in time out bind the guy that came up that I do not punch him in the paper yeah. So where are we that we're fixing to do some hunting knew? It was foggy
because you shit right and rainy rain
in five minutes,
oh camping in this horrible at times miserable camp conditions boy?
remy had done hub for on a farm
and we were colleague following
the plan was the mimic rubies previous hump plan. Yet like remedies like I don't I
Hey. What's gonna happen, I don't really know if it works like it worked before.
and we can find them in a valley. I found a man, it's just
come down, do: will we get a chance
like have a look, the other way
their cooperate. If the weather cooperates its.
gonna be
It's not gonna, be that it's a challenging haunt it's a challenging like set of experiences. Yes right, could you ve got
get through the shitty. Whether to get to the point where you can shoot one, then you have to get
one that you shoot back to camp
and the terrain
lends itself
very poorly
too easily getting back to canada, no two ways about it: it sucks walking through yeah, it looks nice. You could watch the episode that I wouldn't
get there in an hour.
Not four hours later you're gonna be slogging through stuff really discouraged. Well, we put some numbers to it. It took us five.
hours to travel to
point seven miles the other way: the crow flies
two points of miles as yet so to point to cover two point: seven miles as the crow flies just
with your travel round
deviating from that straight line from just from topographical features, took five
hours to travel not do down in other. That's like that's that's hard high,
yeah yeah yeah
making
five hours we are not doing and refers to as Jimmy dick and really is a very well could be double the actual distance
yeah, I usually, I think, you're the double, but you can't you can't
There's no such thing is walking a straight line and there's some major climbing involved in between and that made
climbing
the way that brushes. I feel like it
it's very similar to walk
through knee deep snow, or can that new owed ice now?
the amount of energies yeah
I think it's even worse because like if you get, if you get no situation where the tall grass or like the others, grab your leg, then you
And you don't have that snow. You know so like your expending energy, trying to keep yourself up unlike
yeah the brush gets two thirds like wading through snow man is a rain again cooking grab a chinese, no men who want to knock down the whole time
only go back to the point about it being double. Let me explain:
now all we are you going to examining right as we like you dig in the day you going away from can't get to a pass
and then you go across a ridge up over the you know, the top of a you know, small doll to another pass then go down, so you've got the zig and zag, but then also you figure when you're going up
If you said like camps, only twenty feet over that pass rate because you're at the top of the pass and you're looking almost straight down at camp, and so that that linear distance, as the
of lies is only whatever what is it? Five hundred yards, eight hundred yards,
right, like you, can make a shower the rifle, I'm always needed here. So you actually going down twice
at the top of that peak, we had to go over your at fifteen fifty and camps at three fifty.
and you could deadly law bay. Twenty two round down into your tent not lie
You could shoot a twenty two well down into your tent from that peak, yeah, so steep,
Besides it is
deep as you'd, want to walk. Oh yeah without ropes
forty five degree understand is a lotta distance. It's not accounted for. We need
Was it a vacuum in the zig or the zigzag outside
turn, just the the inner up and down
now on a trail you go and several miles an hour ago.
Hikers covering few miles an hour trail. So that's a thing so anyway,
we finally get like you can't hunt.
Does the generalization generally
with notable exceptions. One cannot fly and hunt on the same day in alaska because
It would encourage the practice of locating animals from airline your plane and shooting at which they dont too,
Why, in the places where you can fly and hunt on the same day,
places were that doesn't work.
Quarry isn't really conducive to that kind of approach. Anyway, like Jane, like humble,
Till dear deer, jelly
Does it lie now that you would like find a blacktail from your plane, land and shoot it? That is the different kind of critter and a different kind of habitat caribou. They were
look out real well and you not.
The needle that have a night passed and you want the next day. So we cannot.
Firstly, we landed now that we have,
Opportunities anyways there
the next day, just fog,
Then we hiked up to us spot or we could look down into a valley known to be frequented by EL.
They ram grammy's past experiences and in conversations with the pilots who fly over the area all time and then just walked up
So, while Israel foggy why back down soaked
next day walked up so while real foggy and walked back down so well
The nice they walked up said was real foggy and then we decide to hang out of those a third day.
yeah. What day was the day that we walked through the real brushy shit? Thousands
I can do
Second, I done away. I see that it was foggy yeah. That's it
de. We flew we hiked up to
hop direct,
The third day was the lake hike nova yeah. We stayed low and then up I'm just clarifying. For my own mind for day we went straight up yes insider said, may, as foggy start, a fire whisperings whisperings of clearness come and gone
devoted a lot of time to try to start a fire put up some tarps to get out of the rain.
Then all of a sudden. I would
like an angel noise, but it was like an angel like clearing your leg.
Clouded blow through
we're say in fog. You know it's not far to rein in the clouds. Yeah clouds, rain you're in the clouds- and I reiterate my room- is like up in a you like in the thing when it's raining the things the reins falling out of your standing in that thing,
The scene, fog sounds nice, as you climb up into a cloud and then there's like rain around happening around you. It's like a garden hose with the mis setting on all the time yeah exactly at.
These clouds had blown and be gaps between the clouds in during the the gaps between
the clouds were looking down, and lo and behold.
two point four miles away.
A ball
stand in their wake.
Unlike sent from the heavens.
And in the bull, probably vantages and vanishes. The new little thicket an end
We notice in a creek
down below the ball, we notice what looks like two or three other elk that make her little real, quick appearance
there. There are quite a ways off, and so we started hoofing down toward these elk.
travel that this is what took a lot? And so now it's already in the afternoon right here, late after
We are in no time to stop for lunch
right? Let me I ain't ever that's where you do not even have timed eat memory on food,
find the bull that we saw find the bull that was sent from the Heavens, the walk out of her to walk out of order patch and present himself review.
find him bet it up on a little high spot, a little
a grassy, no grassy no end and
The in here in this area is like all greatly like kind of high grass suggest I grass some knee high mark
here and there a big ass, spruce tree.
We get a big s bruce tree between us in the bull and the bulls Lang there and lay there for a long time right up
until the point where we get about three hundred yards away from it and I'm getting ready to prop my rifle up and take a poke at him. Should he stand up and he just walks and vanishes crazy at this
Why? We start talking about how maybe it's getting a little late
who be trying to do this now
pray three thirty four year
san. My we might, even though its not dark it might be getting into foolish territory, but can t
You are to be issued because we have to remember we're still
that giant bear country, but we have
yet to see a bare yeah evidence of bears
like bears, walk in the labour,
they have done had had
What seem must bitter, pretty healthy sock? Ireland is based on the amount of
carcasses strewn around on the beach some bears feed item and while we're in matters like steel head
in there and allow the sort of coal holes or silver are in there as well.
And so you'd see some bear tracks on the
each in any kind of starve them out and find a new bear. Drag on. The beach
and one day on, one of the trails up by the pass we had.
Tracks on our tracks. So there
round, but had laid eyes on him.
And but you're you're aware of their presence in humanity where the product is your whole life been like hearing about. Cardiac bears the bad move. Foes
who endorse the jute in earth,
what you say: ursus isotopes used, be hurry
what's the hurry, bizarre lewis and clark alerts, three was they got tangled up with him a little beatin right now.
So we keep precedent and.
gonna give up on the bull that we knew about. Remy
If the few bugles did some cow call, nothing the world's going to stand there or we didn't know what the
he laughed laid down, can locate confined
can I see them release
it gave me a perspective on the like. The high
of the shit you're walking through was one that el disappearances ike.
on any other high. You see an animal go into a small like timber standard, Tristan give course it could disappear. This Elk, which,
massive. What like
a is least used without over that. We then cover that we get a k. We didn't have proven be extremely valuable today than ever larger yeah, but, but so in this so you're. Looking at this alchemy, like looking at the landscape knit, it looks fairly close because it is two point four whatever
and then actually wanted this peer we're?
three hundred yards away,
and he literally in what looks like
like I was that exceeds the knee high, but
Anywhere else
totally vanishes like ceases to exist. Names like you guys are glass and that small chance I mean it was tiny era,
It is not a sign of nope, but then not, I would say, cease to exist, but then, all of a sudden, he re materialize later in fact, had not ceased to exist. He was just from our view perspective had just
like I was no longer on the earth was socked up a phantom affair.
The phantom out, no so
at the dirt earlier point.
Roosevelt of rolls over the biggest body of the Elk, but the biggest
Versions of Elk are here: I don't know that yes near the water, they are larger than that their needs, as they only have balls up they're here,
where we are now they have bulls or with a few miles we are now.
they have both the tipp, the scales that one thousand three hundred pounds, while ridiculous,
yeah. That's a paragon on on the giants right on the giants leg you they're, saying that when you pack, when you could be pack and said
a hundred pounds of
meat and bone doubt stolen hours, near biggest of the big
giant there be some, maybe some bone. Alas, I gave a fisher seven hundred to eleven hundred on average for bulls, which is
It's quite a span there and that's, but that includes the other islands as well, or is that just yet
okay yeah race, cars are as raspberry, edelman, edelman's or so fog. Nac has the largest of the large roosevelt Elk yeah, but you know these weights like they're varied, but as far as
finding the biggest. You know if you were going to go out and have like a find the biggest bowl thing you'd go here and weigh all these bowls and you turn up the largest specimen, and so you keep
yeah, and you look at those like the stout man like stout. So
He present along.
because up ahead of us, we we got some cows in
and we hear bugle rip out ahead of us and normally, when you hung out in me,
it's places in the rockies, whatever you'd hear a bugle rip out of hagia and you'd sit there. The binoculars for a couple minutes, you'd be like oh, there is,
it ain't gonna happen.
This mountain were walking across the face of
is I'm not exaggerate. There is a full balls out creek every
thirty to fifty yards- and I want to say where is coming from and when you get
the creek. It is
a
I would say at least the chest to head high street drop
it's the devil's club mentor, ranging from yeah you're right, like ranging from a six to twelve foot goalie with a villain,
legal, acceptable, grist mill in every.
I think I'm the one. Where is the water coming from it's coming from that cloud that sits on top of the mountain all day, long and all night long days, even trying to be like yeah, so I'll, be like two years so yeah so you'll hit a spruce, then cross thirteenth street in the
tat will be the fourteenth stream bed. Well, that's like a function to of the
you know which direction the faces point exactly like. On the other side of that drainage, it was like,
by used, you still have the same water. It is comes in the form of these, like giant grassy, marshy meadow
where the stream, instead of being right, that kind of cutty, king and feel too- and this is like a stream- is moving through grass in zaire like it. It's like a louvieres fan where you might
across two hundred yards of
water from like the
guard on your boot
Tell your angle: the
kind of moving across all of us
Yet again, the louvre fan looks like this, like a flooded field, youngest, walk in and like a flower, nosey Y, all her well irrigated hayfield yeah, but with yet was always currently ass, light movement of the water.
so we keep press long and we ve got these cows out ahead of us,
At this point, I having a lot of trepidation, unlike aware of the time,
I keep looking at my gps, be like no matter what happens is go turn into a late one,
in remy spots, pretty incredible spot near man, the really eagle eye spy
It's a bad one, horrible and worries.
is the antwerp ass, a single, a fork for in a pile of differences that have highlighted our kind of couldn't blue at once. You like learning what you're looking for macao as a good spot.
Laying down
You ve got one six point.
one main being was six points on it.
In the way these l look that they cannot. If you're flew the red deer, were they
crowns on top the way these
aliens look you're so compact they get like a red dearest quality too.
you like a little three point crown on top, so he's gotta go
main being that comes out of a bay
That's bigger than a beer can yet, and I think,
the way their antlers gross as a function of their size.
Big and they've got so much weight that when they fight
You know they need stout base to keep from breaking off to the balls. They have the bigger bases in the heavier antlers. We're gonna be the ones that can plow through that other.
In fighting. They do right. They do so. We,
We want to see in three balls on. We saw three bulls:
yeah like, but if you saw more balls, were missing so
through the buzzer sought. So the way these animals work is like it's way bigger than a beer came when a girls out of his head, but then
the eye guard,
is sort of mash down into the base as well, so that it's like the eye guard seems almost kind of come out of the base. Rather than having like a chunk, you kind of put your hand around and in the eye guard it's like the eiger
the base are kind of mashed together. This is real
like fixed our antler with very short time coming out of it. So it's gotta
I guard than two times in like a three time crown coming out: the top in the whole thing, the the whole
would the whole? Maybe ms three three on the approach
short, crazy, like on the latter
In one of me to snapped off above, as I regard the finnish spy,
is snapped off on it
but he's lay there.
come on awareness, but phase in us and
Can a mess around like trying to get laid out on a sharp reject faces too
it's one time years ago
kill him. I took eight dead on shot.
On a bull moose like a brisk, is shot wishes
devastate a deer,
you see that the little colic that form
on their chest, you know, and I
at that and it just wasn't a lethal shot on a moose too much
meat and bone, and what not
and a lot
our parliament has sticks in the way. Really
at a clear angle. I moved over you,
Well, that the ball little bit trolley. I was trying to get you to get it to not run off. He was becoming aware of our presence. He knew we were. There stood up. Eventually, he turned enough where I could snake one in on a like quartering a steep core
going to a shop.
and that shot would have done. The would have done the trick.
Are you after
autopsy. I realise that shot would have eventually it would have done the trick, probably within some number yards already spawn
started running
and I had another one that shattered front labour here. He had his long shot out.
And he then Tom,
down into one of the deeper creeks and landed smell
ass in the water like really in the water.
formed a small damn you
Colin powell when he hit the worry formed an empowerment. This creek is how
down from probably
thirty feet thirty thirty feet and probably only ten feet wide
oh yeah, maybe that's out
It was and there's a waterfall just behind
yeah, picturesque yeah, very very
canyon, the worse place, he proudly could a phone on that hill did in the
that happened in the mirror walked over there. He goes like
If sums can be, it wasn't even like celebrating, because you can, like our man, is getting late, and yet we are a five hour. Walk from
and it's already late. It's evening, yeah yeah, it's evening now such a big body too yeah I'll, remind listeners that this turns into a grizzly bear story, because this turns into a brown bear story, and so we start
cotton on in rarely pointed out that he
it kind of like having the oak laying in a creek cause. It was easy, very easy to keep things clean. Yeah. You would make
I caught the big. Oh man there's some hair on my knife that you just like hold your knife and decree.
It's really isn't. Everything is like looked licked clean at the kill site, but
There is no way to move it around and renew readers had to start work and at what was exposed. So we
Pull the skin
the spine.
work to hide off, got a bag leg. I've gotta, shoulder off, got a backdrop of both
out the ribs of the gods still in the same boat.
Alba neck.
remove the head.
gotta tenderloin out with the got stolen thing.
Got a roll over
another hundred pound corridors brought, would get the shoulders, probably not by the backlog. I think I hear that the corridors
The front shoulders, I would say, were very similar to back quarter of of.
Average size rocky mountain Elk yeah and I think the back legs were like borderline like moose legs, like probably one hundred pounders, and we say Jani yeah
Very hard varies so then we gather
the whole thing rolled over, but you also conduct in fact chicken. What's what's what's what's what's what young,
Well, I'm going through. Never one we had. We did the five questions from frank Van man and dogma. Grizzly bear
I'll. Just pull data is refreshing so
Could I know we're in pay talk about numbers about how many exist in the world two hundred thousand.
Oh no daylight percentages of bare sprayers is firearms and that sort of stuff all ill at all
So there are now no to be so on foot.
It over did the same thing all over again. Did you guys see the the
battle wounds on the first sight or the law. That's what I want to talk about, while some he's a fighter fight so wake everywhere, animas bruises in it like we're.
he fell. It wasn't rocky, so we, like you, didn't get bruised up and is he waited all old old
no scars on issues like or is losing out. His ribs acute might hear that broken ailer. He had break at antler. Like you know, thrash brought us going to make a point about the broken hours,
You see a lot of broken tides. A lot of places right leg were guided rooms. Guy, you price, the unbroken tides compared to broker main beans is probably I don't know,
A hundred one could be.
Everyone we saw was broken
Maybe they're not
competing. I think there's competing
theories on
why some areas have a lot of broken. Why
I will, in some areas, have a lot of broken antlers and I'm sure, there's someone that knows the proper answer. Maybe not. I
heard that it has to do with mineral quality this?
El gamblers are inherently weaker, some,
El in some areas produce a weaker ailer,
because of mineral quality in the soils, and I
heard that it's a function of remy shared this one with me, the he believes
a better explanation. It is more of a function of cow to bowl ratios yeah did they?
that that any time spent fighting to breed.
that in areas we got, you know ten calls for every bull,
boys they will stay out of skirmishes. But these areas where you have high
bold cow ratios their spending more time in the dock
and struggles in there just break more hours. I
Does he accept theory down in arizona? Does the unit, yet they just their managed very well for a year.
Equal boulder care ratio in the bulls has had to do a lot more fighting cause. You go to a neighboring unit that got the same terrain and everything, but just manage different, not as many
goalkeepers yeah
the three ups vision fightin right here,
We're not gonna do one of them fish
but they spend more. They do they they're able to devote more of that energy to the one after the other year or so.
Where was I offered little hole in the hall and his rear hand? He had
of skin is we're, like all someone like almost shot a third time that I forgot about, because, yes, its large wound on his rear hands, but when you
skin the hide back. It's like a perfect inch. Diameter whole punch through his hide were tine punch through his hide
and then went into his rear ham. Several inches yeah, it's just an infected
mass, just be up. Yeah he's
take up vision, so brightly pretty good vision, honour so
We cannot allow so now
now or anything like that. So so here you are you got
six guys. He knows me in remy enemy. We
mercury, guys and in in a a
work in liability of this line of work is that you get
when you come out like crew, guys get equal cut of all me if they want it.
But they also carry it.
What we share that didn't, carry our exe.
Added to my share of fighting, I also wouldn't walk like we would, but maybe not as much because we share with the office crew as well. Not on this one.
Now, when you carry do you feel
oh.
you're carrying your one sixth poor here when you as a ridge when you carry elk urban
pack, me do feel like I'm pagan me in order to get some. Are you like unpack any does, because this is a saki thing that needs to happen
a little bit above. I like, if I'm
I'm gonna take any hall a night is gonna watch you guys carry a bunch away in some shitty terrain. I wanna like help out
because already have a tuna gear with air and it
and when we do get strapped up with me, it while leaves me a gear, is kind of a superhuman dude, so he can still charge up hills, but I
it makes me a little slower. So I can't like run out and get all the shots at. I normally do and we're on were unloaded, but I dislike.
eh, especially this one? I just work as couldn't sit by
Hike out with an empty pack cause we're in a we're in like a like just kind of uncomfortable, so yeah yeah. So we goes me and we know that, because we're going to be hiking,
in the ground, so bad like did? The walking is so difficult that
And it's already in it's dark out now that we know we're not going to, even though there's six of us and six people can carry like trail,
like six people can
absolutely move,
normal elk, with like nothing
big of a deal really like
Does I gotta go ahead trail wide for few miles? You just take the whole thing up and go
but this is cut out of the question, because we have so much vertical
to gain and lose were not on any kind of a trail for the bulk of it and we have a very large patch of brush. We should also mention at this point when the last meat, when the bag, it is pitch black yeah headline force in pittsburgh, pitch black
so the first thing we need to do is go
earlier, I mentioned in how now and then there's a big ass bruce we had before it got dark,
identified a spruce tree that will be adequate to get whatever
we couldn't carry up into the treaty,
miss spruce was directly appeal from us, so
we get done butcher in the EL in
first step is to, because now is dark and you gotta, but nice.
gaudy smell blown everywhere. The first step is to try to get some separation of the meat and the gods. Thinking that
when a bear or any kind of predator. Really,
comes in and claims that kill site. They
I am anthropomorphized in a little tiny bit, probably not too much they
I know that they might lose it to the next thing up so
You find the kill and udall
you can't just assume that it's yours for the next five days. So what
He's generally do is devour soft tissue.
because you can do is wolf it down its
high calorie food, no common in mopped up
like the liver goals quickly,
The long is aiming to soup right up does take a lot of work. They like to get on that stuff. First saw the general thinking and bear country is. If you remove, you're you're me
your bone in corridors or whatever removed.
from the gods. Does
Is it a bear? Is going to come in and the first thing he's going to do is claim the thing with the the the the.
the soft tissue, the greatest amount of smell all the blood he's gonna pick that and you might greece all
with me. If it separate. So we
move all our meat not far but
the gully up onto a little grass, another grassy, nor an enemy.
take half of it loads,
packed with half of it in hike vat
to a big sprucely, yet
in hang half of that up in a spruce about price,
twelve to thirteen feet up in a spruce tree with the theory. That
Nothing can get it. Yeah, mature
great, like cubs brown barracks,
climb a tree,
but eventually the eel.
Distinguishing feature morphological difference which
in black bears and brown bears. Is that blue
there is have a short hooked claw.
Grizzlies, have a long relatively straight, more sickle, shaped claw and, as a grisly gets big and heavy
Those clause, the with their long in straight
Those clause do not lend themselves to climbing their morphine digging
They gotta dig and claw. They spend a lot more time. Flippin raw
acts dagon roots just there. Their food resources are used differently, they tend to live, and more open country can live.
Quite happily, in the total absence of trees, you do not find black bears in the absence of trees,
the old adage is to tell them.
Prince between a black baron, a grisly, is, if the bear
time's up a tree and eat you? It's a black! That's interesting thing to bring up in these.
In coastal alaska, the islands
There are some minor exceptions is with, but this is a decent job
Bleacher is a true. It's a truism
the islands either have blackberries grizzlies.
Prince of wales, island is a blackberry island right.
Admiralty island north. If there is a grizzly bear out, they dont coal, mingle on islands.
It's a suitable habitat, acute singer,
if it's suitable habitat for a brown bear, that's who's. Gonna live there. If it's,
There is an ideal and is because it's not suitable habitat for brown bears. If it's not too will have to have. A brown bears is probably
heavily timbered and there's no open com.
They tend to like open country, yet they use it better. So we get laboratory
because these I to planet entering the meet up, then we go back
down to buy the kill site, get all army and start hiking at ten thirty p m git to our camp
at three thirty, a m-
some freeze dry, go to bed about four. Thirty am fairly eggs
asking gear, ternata tuckered out is a full day form talk all day. Two hundred now
by the time you get like a reasonable amount of sleep and also than wake up and regrew, like you, gotta mass right yet stuff to clean up? We have
get the meat we brought home,
get it, you know get it situated in a way that were happy worth. We put it inside a hot. Why we have like little portable hotwire fence we
put the means are there, but with the next everyone to establish
Another hotwire fence that wasn't the same. Hotwire fancy contained our tents, get them
the ground in another tree?
I originally like the night. We got back all late at night we put the meat inside the hot wire fence that also contain tents, and the next day we wanted to get it up in a tree.
where could breathe out and be up in the breeze and habits?
and containment
the fence around it, did all at
Has showbiz itself take care of care of, had a monster fish catch him to do with our talk and meet them
It might be hard to come back to it but day, since he goes
draw your mouth. You see
another your child teeth and violence. You and us like some hard canned yourself was about disrespectful. I do have a little pith
stuck between health. It is this one, but I
because then we're the meat hung for what was it three days four days and we're a little bit worried about the condition of the meat, but you guys take it to the processor I'm guessing got to handle it. Look at it and smell it. How was it good that it farewell that are loaded? I thought look good. What what? What? What see now are
top up, there's a way out of order
as a way out of order thing to bring up. Look fine mcgann,
it's not cold. Here. It's like it's not like normal. You know, I mean no you're in a coastal environment here and it's like always cold, but never cold, cold yeah. Now that you've ever got below forty yeah, not great meat hanging weather and when it's real. What is all this rain rises, a lot of rain and never real cold.
So when we got back flu,
out and got back to town first order. Business is trying to find some place too that we can get our
meat killed off because there was already borderline in a thing that this
smell that.
That like bloody game bags were
bloody game bags. Take on a smell that is,
I go now.
The good smell and it's a precursor to smells. You don't want to smell, but it's not in and of itself a bad smell, but it's an indicator of bad things could happen soon smell it's a little off. Putting we were in the bad things could happen soon smell phase.
from having the meat not be ill dry out, because the rain
everything's wet. Forty degrees like animals in a creek, too
so another nothing ever dry out now, but yeah these.
look good. They thought look good too.
yeah, we paid some boys too
I like do tat, retired drug dealer, repaid the boys too
Two.
Process and freeze are our thing for us,
to get back where I was caught. Some fish
How do we know the the bare fence was hot.
Mr Sutton yeah. I told them. I touched the wire and then see what and then I gauge what kind of jolt that gives me and whether I'm not satisfied with the job, whether I feel that it will be a deterrent or not
satisfied satisfy point being
the point, all this being weakened?
strike off to the hang in tree
you're, either bob moulds on hang entry. Should I throw myself from a tree, you don't know that one.
all death a story. We ought to tell some time that story about that. Dude three would tell the story. The guy
I the spurned lover,
what's that bighorn sheep on area, the dude tristan used a guide in.
his name was interesting- was an old. Wasn't he
glaciers earlier tourism ledges at the boy s name was dressed and long. Hair leather, cowboy yeah
oh erin Erin. You know the story, he told us yet
so he used the guide bighorn sheep in bc, yet in kansas, never had a name is like the blank yeah.
What's the big horn area up their ramey, like rocky being horns ill,
in bc or Alberta, could be Albert the albert busy line
it's a w word. Whites know how things like that.
Can whitmore canmore it was the whitmore. I remember that cause I was on that trip and there yeah the area, I think maybe the area called the whitmore yeah, but anyways yourself, a stone sheep country in bighorn sheep country. I think the spine of that. The spine of that range is the Bc Alberta line. Jani. Look it up.
The whittemore win more wilmore will
more me so
Quick digression is interesting story. Does a guy
the outer he the word for you to have a horse packer in,
horse packer wasn't camp with his girlfriend kay,
the horse packer in a girlfriend, gettin fight, he grabbed the hunker rope war,
often off and a half
never to be seen again.
it became a mystery
years later
Someone is diccon around in that area,
finds a school in spinal column, hanging from a rope
what do they stay? Obviously, search for money, hazard or when he hopped off can ever find while was assumed dead, bad argument.
Someone finds a school and a chunk of spine hanging from a rope from a tree and they'd
excavate the ground beneath them and are able to match up his bottle
from his boots in his rivets and stuff from his genes with what he was where and when he vanished serbia.
the next day we go back to find our way back. Then we shall be should be mentioned that the rest day was a glorious score. Lawsuit disguise drying out clause only day of the whole trip. Bluebird
dry out close, but the sun
hook, fish like nobody knows the sky to actually be.
You have never ever drags on, you always indirect son, I gotta bath, and it was warm enough. Did you hear that?
started in the creek yeah. I didn't know that oh yeah, that was jealous
we had a son went from peak to peek on the same ridge. I lived
I saw the negative we wake a bright and early and
break off for the hang in three cases
we had a better round. It took us four hours to get the hang entry now
watching the kill site we
the kill site about a hundred yards up?
small tributary from the main stem creak of the valley we apply.
what's kill site from across the main stem together.
I level with the carcass which is laid down in a tributary on the other side of the main stem from us.
and were able to get a gander in there
see that
At least the carcass has not been moved right in.
It can be of a bear had claimed quickly, probably would have drawn
off buried it would look different, does bunch magpies in air and
a lot magpies make a lotta racket right that helps alert. You know
auditors did to got good goin on they. They feed off.
Information, but the card
Is there where we left it?
seemingly undisturbed, but we still,
pick a route that goes clear of the carcass.
Toward the hang entry now
get up by the hanging tree with due number of things.
Got pepper spray drawn was pistol drawn
those drawn pistols out?
We're spray out all making a lot of noise yell unaware,
I was yell into him.
Did I got some spice for that mean that he, like my parents,
we're gonna, we told them to their. There was the if he did like it. He was good.
Followed up with some lead chasers, so are being very intimidating
and who in holland, and yet we have not seen anything now we ve so evident that think anything is wrong, bears and we glass to that. Hang entry earliest eyeglass at hanging tree eyeglass answered you for my glass it until I can account for everything that was false, be in that hanging tree.
So that point we're done everything as good as we could do.
Now, there's some hindsight issues, no, no locate from that point
The one mistake
I would say, but there wasn't an option. The one mistake is the hang and tree is
surrounded by very thick brush. Yes, but the
nor that there was no clear, hang entry. How big
you think, like the diameter around the tree was clear,
in their like a rat like from the base, the trade to the like circle, a brush, I would say it was a writ from the tree. There was a radius of maybe fifteen feet
fifteen toy. Basically, the canopy of the tree, yeah
It was a heavy thick enough tree and l must take shade under their wanted. Sonny.
Like it ever get sunny. It must give
There is, I noticed when we're in there in the dark as lot elk shit.
And bedding bedding.
impressions on vat trees or on a hot day. They must
to get onto their same way. Cattle will do
in the given their bed up in the shade of that tree, I noticed that.
So in hindsight, is a shitty hang and tree, but there wasn't like a good version right crack
That is a bad choice among bad choices.
You could all we have.
The foresight having I think been there before too, like as you
Will the trigger and you watch you die in the daylight at that moment? To then do a thriller sixty degree scan
may away point on the best, hey injury, and we did. We did now
The main remy argued about the best hanged.
our argument wasn't based on
This clearing our arguments based on proximity, no
was based on
so I was going for a tree in an area that I knew socked for travel
a side of the drainage that I knew was sought for travel, but it was a known sock
Remy was saying: let's go across, it can't be worse. I travelled and he's a good guy
parts that are better and I said because it's dark because were loaded our heavy. I think we should go for the known sock instead of that
in hindsight, that would history would have been a better tree. Yes bc, you guys didn't really consider the whole like opie, we're not talking about visibility under the hanging tree yeah, but either side
We have been the same visibility,
both thought so in order all hell holes and gullies, so
here's, where things here's, where mistakes target made, I get up,
to the hang and tree
And I notice a-
smashed, I notice a smeared bear ship.
and you remembered zimmer me getting down on my knees to examine that shit. Oh yeah yeah because
I and my initial thought was: did it look like
of shit that was smeared ma bear a bear.
Rack, smeared shit.
and I got down to examine it, and, unlike
I don't remember that being there, but.
it was nighttime, but it was like nighttime and it looked like a boot. Then I was like it must be, a boot smeared. It cause
all smeared out now that we were stamp and all around here we must smeared their bare.
and it was a salmon fuelled bear ship. It was
That grey more shit from one their feed non sam and look like, and it was
Smashed
looked at that and was exit abou or bear tracks mere that
and I looked at the tree and allow the stuff was hung up with pair accord and
in the tree. There's like knoll scratching,
the tree no cited disturbance and also a cell. There was in there really like trying to climb. Naturally, I felt that he might of actually like
boston, some of the peace. The pair court enshrined like reach round do all this business up there
That is our northern evidence, except that smeared ship.
So then we make a giant mistake.
Side to sit down and have some sandwiches
and we had a m s, our stove with us at a part in amerika
pop got passed around and everybody was who wanted a quick,
Starbucks, via was the
is to throw in a small amount of water into the pot. I don't,
ass. My
Water bottle into the pot.
And there was like a little excavation dug out now, no by an activation dog under six of us huddled on one side of the tree
The spacing about like over and now it was during this during this packs- came off packs him off.
Numbers high. As I had a bad are in one area, then I got up to grab the pot somebody had sat so now. People are actually sitting by paxton aren't there, so my pack is now across from us reach, as are my personal bear deterrent, their stolen bear spray, but they were glad to get the hang entry. Europe packaging is the hand shriek is a new moved into my so we're kind of we did this weird shuffle where nobody was near
their own pack waited? We sat by still tight morgan. I regard roughly like people in a living around a coffee table, for instance, may
maybe my ted tighter than that
I gotta say too. We were pre worked
hi can in that was a great spot,
taken away any risk of
around bear her features, but we do have the usual assailant chats Bobby.
I was like it was nice yeah. There's I walk into a nice bed
double light, the fire for no reason I have had to citizens to drama that tree so nice under the tree. The first.
Post to hang in trees, selection mistake that we made was that we
under the hang tree.
and decided to linger unnecessarily long
and let our guard down yes
what we did that caused us to linger unnecessarily long.
Let our guard down and divorce
us from our deterrence.
Being pistols and spray.
Was the eye
deal that we would have some sandwiches,
there is, would and some coffee
so our desire to have sandwiches and an idyllic setting.
In the relief of having not had our kill site claimed by a bear which the, alas,
The department of fish and game says,
Often happens on the first night
but we had allowed, and
in a half to pass.
and to be fair to us: how long was the hague
to the hang in four hours for I sell for our high up and then down and through
Third country and one point: five and eight ass and one point: five past we got there, we're all pretty hungry
and it was like vanguard bear- is here, yeah yeah, that's how I feel, because days down my hasty,
bit of sign. Reading back
by remedies. Hasty bit of sign. Who also said oh looks like a bare been here. You set looks at that. I came up a little bit late. You must not a fell.
I say we I mean these aim is used that have now been trampled it, but I I that's why I looked at you and said it like. Oh did you step you know like
but I got my knees to examined, but I wasn't there for that. The idea than I did a faulty read on that. I'm too,
full blame unsigned, reading fault in us
I saw what I wanted to see. Not what was there.
Second mistake was I
others did not say, let's get
while the kittens good, not
I would have it wouldn't have mattered, wouldn't know would have mattered because it could have been worse now now we can look and be like it couldn't have been any better. Oh yeah, yep every option from here on out is like it could have been worse, there's no way it could have been better likely at one hundred per cent because of what unexplained happen because our our act,
of eating sandwiches, just the only
the mistake of the eating. The sandwiches was us letting our guard down, but when we got
tree. Our guard would have yet been down regard. Yes, our packs would have been off. We would
disarray packing meat, so there's and disseminated ominously. My orders drags attracted by climbing loring stuff dot accurately and spread out in film
Instead, we are clustered taken amerika, so
I get my suit.
it makes me to say, was that is just
the color of the heels of haven't had a bad sandwich.
now. Just may, though, this is getting yourself that when they found so bad, it made me a really bad sandwich holidays for, and I will end here, I ride very dry sandwich and I was reprimand them in
told them as much and
told that when I send the pros and cons is going down as a bad name. He sent he hands over a spectacular sandwich, best amateur like seeing which s job to parlay may have heavily emailed re. Read. Sailors were
And what did you have? The did you have the stove fired up, be ironed out at all in this whole time and
I was eating my sandwich some folks were commented on. Why was my sandwich? So nice
That was Romina yeah. I was looking at that sandwich. I noticed him actually looking at your sandwich, I'm like I've been looking at that damn sandwich to his sandwich, looking at my sandwich and looking at the meat that was still in the bag thinking, this is bull and I was just opening my mouth and beginning to form a sentence to the effect of
kiss my ass on the sandwiches, because you didn't see my sandwich last time. I had a sandwich when all of a sudden there was like, oh pat yeah, what stop? Alright? Alright,
First of all- and I do this euro loved it I'd know, another will be a real european. I'm like
like you act like. I did didn't that I'm not going through this in a way that makes sense to me, I think,
His tension in the room I'm looking around and I'm seeing what I believe to be sweaty palms and people gripping their shirt, tails ptsd, I feel, like you know what I want to do causing I want to have someone know. I am not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, but I have a slight feeling
of wanting to have someone else wrought run point no on explaining how this when I was actually going to recommend that you tell the whole story from beginning to end as now hunger do without anyone else has now do adding it and then we can adopt. The is all thought out.
how how I feel that this should be approached.
Unless someone else
really sat down and thought it out.
me, I'm block on it a real live in the experience that thinking about how to tell me I mean, has there we ve, taken people from the pleistocene epic up into the sandwich me like, I feel, like I dont know that big mistakes have been made and name ago and so on
great.
I register.
An explosion of holy shitless.
Now, over to pat because the first person pat, what was the first thing so amid the sandwich making what was the first thing that happened so I'm listening to everybody. You know praise me for the sandwiches and criticizing their sandwiches and that and I'm sitting here enjoying my own pastrami sandwich and thinking how how
wonderful that the strategy's in my mouth and I hear ass, my right
Some panting some deep,
in a guttural breathing. Can you can you mimic it
It sounded like a dog panting at first, like from far away like
and just kept getting a little louder low, low, deeper
scarier sounding sounded angry too,
First, it seemed fake cause. I was like no no way this is happening, there's no way when a bear attacks you. He actually makes such a nasty and there's there's no way
A bears actually gonna like run up an attack us right now, let's just crazy girl,
rarely sitting under three hundred pounds, a really good album, but you never expect that to actually happen to you, I'll drag and- and I mean it was selma- is like prepared for on this trip. You know we knew that
it be big bears out there. We knew there's potential, but you never actually expect to be like straws.
Attacked by a brown bear and
so I'm sitting there here these noises.
and it s like it's like
ok this happening? I think as a
this person to say something like. Oh my god. What's that noise,
and then all of a sudden within two seconds, theirs
on top of us.
man, I hate to do
is to you. I know that you are on the edge of your seat way.
Here what happened
when the
brown- bear that we ve been alluding to enters the story. It is
Worth your weight, its,
What I'm doing do right now is awful. It's terrible.
The man did this to me out, punch him, but I'm doing it to you.
You're gonna have to tune in next week
on the meat eater podcast to hear the fight,
no culmination the resolution of the affair.
Mackinac island,
brown bear attack, charge.
Mayhem, story.
or.
there is more alike.
With little bare.
with a little better
ending in sunday. That does that sunday. You also get desultory re reading it that
no tune in next week.
Transcript generated on 2023-04-05.