Throughout his presidency, Abraham Lincoln was reportedly plagued by strange premonitions and recurring nightmares. Some say they were omens of his assassination. And in the aftermath of his death, Lincoln has been seen haunting the White House and elsewhere.
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In the summer of eighteen sixty the United States is hanging on by a thread
What war seems imminent? There is a contention.
Election on the horizon and then, as if things
Word doomsday enough: a procession of fire
walls believe through the sky, meter oppression,
We are extremely rare, so tat the people of eighteen sixty. This appears as an omen meteors,
come from the West sort of in the direction of Illinois, which happens to be the
home of the most controversial candidate for President Abraham Lincoln, the Chicago time
had this to say about it. Who can fail to comprehend
that, these fiery messengers portend the approach of war revolution and change prophetic. Maybe
but this isn't a one off tons of people, including
Lincoln himself had dark premonitions about his presidency and
He listened to his guide. Maybe he would
have been assassinated.
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so of supernatural with me actually flowers. Today, I'm
talking about the most high profile. Go story in american history: Abraham Lincoln, supposedly
his spirits been seen around the White House and plenty of other places. For the past two hundred and fifty years
even before he died, Lincoln was
haunted by some ghost and bad omens
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in eighteen, hundreds Kentucky where Abe Lincoln was born. Everyone around him with superstitious may believe.
In which is goes omens, magic and premonitions. As a kid aid was
always kind of sceptical, but he was at least paranormal curious
One story says that when he's around six, he asked whether dreams can really tell the future in particular,
he had wondering. I can't stop thinking about he's in a big town, giving
speech to a huge crowd now for a kiss
who lives in a one room, log cabin in the middle of nowhere at this is a complete fantasy. I mean if he had dreamed, he could fly
probably be more realistic, but whether its fate or just hard work, Abe exceeds expert.
patience, even though he has no formal education. He teaches himself grammar rhetoric and public speaking and by the time he's twenty three that child
prophecy comes true. He gives his first campaign speech as a candidate for the
Illinois state legislature is not quite
how he dreamed it. Frontier towns are pretty
and as soon as Lincoln takes the platform. A brawl breaks out in the crowd
again sees one of these guys try to lay a punch on his friend, so he climbed down from the platform
grabs the man and the rose him a good twelve feet across the room. Then he gets back up onstage and declares his candidacy.
Sadly, Abe loses that election, but this is an important lesson for him in
this day and age. Politics can get violent which
Maybe why, over the next few decades, Lincoln's visions of his future get pretty dark. He doesn't know
oh or when, but he has this on feeling that he's come
die in some terribly tragic way in that feeling intensive
eyes. On the day of the eighteen sixty presidential election, there was
It's coming fast and Lincoln wins the presidency, when he
its home he's so exhausted. He just flops down for a nap, but when he looks up, he see something weird in the mere there are
New separate images of his face, reflecting back at him when he gets up
one of those faces vanishes, so he's like ok, must have been a
of the light or something, but when he
my son, again, the illusion, comes back and it's even clearer than before. Only one of the two faces looks deadly pale like a ghost
he tries to forget it. But he has this like dreadful.
feeling for the rest of the day he tells
wife, Mary who thinks it's an omen. The two face
is mean he'll be elected for two terms as president, but the ghostly
as of the second phase is a sign that he won't survive his second term, which must have been
comforting thing to hear from his wife rate, but Mary,
not the only one with this opinion about a week before.
Lincoln leaves for his inauguration. He hears the same thing from his stepmother, be stopped by for a visit.
And with he's about to go, she tells him point blank. This is good bye forever. I just know
that you're gonna be assassinated and I'm never going to see you again and wasn't for the record.
In these days. The idea of a president be assassinated is completely unheard up. There
been one attempt in presidential history which ended with Andrew Jackson, beating his
would be murder with a cane. So, let's just say it
wasn't very successful, then
and no other president had to deal with the level of chaos.
Lincoln. Spacing by the time
he gets to the capital, seven state,
have already succeeded from the union. The White House is in
racist mood trying to stop a war from breaking out.
barely a month after he sworn in Lincoln, goes to bed after another stressful day, and he asked
very strange dream?
he's on a ship in a vast expanse of rowing waves. He doesn't know where
he's going, but he's drifting rapidly toward some dark and mysterious shore at forthwith.
be that morning, possibly war
He's having that dream, the confederacy Attacks Fort Sumter me
during the civil war has officially begun. So why
Is that dream an omen, maybe
Lincolnshire seems to think so and now,
that sense of dread that he was carrying around earlier is back in full force. During an
few months, he keeps making weird and ominous comments like this war is eating. My life out, I have
the strong impression that I shall not live to see the end.
then, about a year into his term. Family tragedy strikes Lincoln's.
Levin Year Old Son Willie comes down with typhoid fever and after a few days he dies
in his bedroom in the White House, Mary Todd Lincoln
inconsolable to the point where she can't even go downstairs for the funeral in the EAST room. She just stays in
her bedroom grieving by herself, it gets
the boy were even the White House staff is worried about Mary, but hers
seamstress gives her some advice. She says that
should try. Spiritualism
and yeah? I know I talked about spiritualism before more than a few times, but it's a
deal in the late hundred and there are even a few famous mediums in DC, including
mother daughter, do opening Margaret Lorry and Bell Lorry Miller
they run, seances out of their town house in Georgetown O in it just so happens
bells husband, James, is a friend of the lincolns. So not one
after Willie's dad Mary starts attending seances at the lorries house, where she's, apparently speaking with her son Spirit, when
These mediums are legit or not. I can't say, but either way it helps. Mary cope with her grief
and Willie, isn't the only Spirit Mary hears from according to the
when Senator Orville Browning Mary in
it's him to hang out on New year's day? Eighteen sixty three, the very
a day. The emancipation proclamation goes into effect. She tell
in that she went to lorries house the night before and apparently the Spirit
is watching the White House like a ghostly c span, because they have some advice.
Is that the Lincolns need to hear
during the seance. Margaret lorry goes into a trance, a spirit comes over her and it says that quote the cab.
And are all enemies of the president work
for themselves
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Don't know about you, but if spirits from the great beyond are saying my closest allies are working against me, I might listen
apparently sodas, Abraham Lincoln, because after he
is this news. He starts attending those seances with his wife and on occasion,
he even host them at the White House, I'm not making this up the law.
He's and another psychic being Nettie Colbert all apparently summoned spirits in the red room
parlor. On the first floor, suppose it
de there were extensive notes kept about these sciences, but they were lost a couple of decades later, so the only detailed account
have is a slightly dubious story from the ball.
Still Saturday evening Gazette it says that some time in aid
of eighteen, sixty three there's an
others say ants in the Red room hosted by both Mary and Abraham, Lincoln. Also,
in attendance are the secretary of the Navy, the Secretary of WAR, a rapporteur for the gazette, and this me
Named Charles sharply
the proceedings sharply hides a paper in pencil under a handkerchief and waits for a few seconds
and he removed the handkerchief to reveal there's a message written on the paper. It's full of
vague advice like Paul
Limitations are useless, make a bold front and fight the enemy, but it's so
find Henry Knox. The nations burst and now deceased secretary of war, so Lincoln's like
We ve got Henry knocks on the line. Ask him when this rebellions gonna be over sharply hides the
or again and when he lifts it, there's another much longer message. It basically says I talked with one
in Franklin, Lafayette, Napoleon and were all kind of split like
Poland's, as to focus all your forces on one point, but franklin-
says the South weapons or no match for the north and they'll be giving up soon, like I said,
account is a little dubious and the newspaper actually ends up printing of retraction later on, but the store
he still spreads all over the country sudden,
the everyone's convinced that Lincoln is basically running the war with a weed board which
of course wins him the support of the spiritual less, but it gets
a fair amount of criticism from everyone else.
One wonder even published a book titled interior causes of the war, the name
in demonize and its president. A Spirit wrapper funny
the book doesn't condemn Lincoln for believing in spirits. The author agrees, of course,
we can communicate with the dad. Everyone knows that the problem is that he's
rusting their war advice. Oh this! Is it really
fair, because there's no evidence that Lincoln made any decisions based on what he heard during those seances, but
their he's listening or not. The great beyond keeps talking your memory.
Dream that Lincoln had before the attack on Fort Sumter that he was on a ship floating toward a dark shore
he has that same dream again, a few months later before the battle of bull run, which at the time is the bloodiest battle in? U s history. This is the
point where both sides realise this war is going to be quick or easy. The same day
happens again before the battle of Antietam,
there are no winners in this battle, but in
In a single day, the Union army loses a fifth of its entire force and the confederates lose almost a third.
next year. The dream makes another appearance before the battle of Gettysburg, which one
again set a new record for the most casualties in: U S, history, but it
with a union victory. It's the turning point of the
higher war so clear,
the Lincolns dream is an omen of something huge, not necessarily good or bad.
But significant and probably pretty frickin bloody Lincoln pays attend
into this, especially since it's not the first prophetic vision he's had and its
the last either in eighteen, six,
for Lincoln wins reelection, and yet he hasn't
forgotten that weird ghost image he saw in the mere four years earlier. You know the one that may Mary thing that her husband would die before he left office. Well by this point,
gains certain, she was right,
even though the civil war is finally coming to a close. He senses,
The danger is an over yet and he's
the only one who thinks so not by a long shot
around the start of Lincoln Second term, there is some strange happenings around the capital
one morning the Senate chaplain is about to open sessions with a prayer. When he's
he's. A man entered the chamber. Suddenly,
this guy startled him he's really hand.
but his whole energy is just off like whatever
doing there he's up to no good. In fact, the chaplain,
so disturbed that he has to pause and like collect himself before he can even keep going on with the prayer
and later he sees the same guy lurking around the White House, the chapel
asks around and eventually finds out. That's John Wilkes Booth. Now John Wilkes,
It is a fairly well known actor at the time he's like this up and coming to.
six year old, heart drop. Imagine your them
as an end. A Senate. Chaplain comes, you, says, hey, I think I've seen Timothy Shallow May prowling around the capital, and I thank you.
plotting to assassinate you, you'd, probably laugh right wheel,
exactly how Lincoln reacts when the chaplain tries to warn him, but even if he doesn't take this partition
threat seriously. He still has the feeling that something bad is on the horizon, although that
same day. The confederate army surrenders this
Civil war is officially over by the next day April. Tenth there's a huge crowd. Guy
outside the White House waiting for Lincoln to give a victory speech, but he's probably
only person in D C who's not in a mood to celebrate
when Mary asks why he so down Lincoln, says out of the blue that it's strange, how many rare
France's there are two his dream in the Bible. It seems like every time he opens the book. It falls on a page about a prophetic vision. Then he tells her about this strange dream. He had a few nights ago he's in bed and he hears what sounds like a
the crowd of people weeping, he goes down stairs and all the lights around, but there's no one there. Yet he keeps here
this sobbing ass. He walks through the White House like there are invisible mourners everywhere. Finally, he
said the EAST room and there's a flock of people gathered around a body wrapped in fewer investments.
soldiers or standing guard, the bodies face is
hovered, so Lincoln Ass. One of the soldiers who died in the
Soldiers says the president. He was
killed by an assassin.
can insist that he doesn't put too much stock in the dream, but his expression says otherwise. A key is grave.
And once again whether he will leave them or not. The warnings keep coming
Three days later, Lincoln is holding a cabinet meeting when he mentioned something ominous that right
occurring. Dream he's been having about the ship drifting to some unknown sure what he had it.
and just last night, which me
and something big is coming, but he doesn't know what, in all likelihood
Just gonna be news from General Sherman, whose negotiating the surrender of the Confederates, and maybe because he's
Selecting good NEWS Lincoln is in this weirdly cheerful mood, but he's on characteristically happy
there's. Just one thing: that's bringing him down she supposed to see a play
night, and he does it really feel like going, which is
usual because he loves the theater, but not to night. He just
to stay home and chill any
only one is trying to get out of it. Ulysses
grant and his wife were supposed to go with the lincolns, but they cancel at the last minute. Lincoln
by his war secretary instead. But he turned him down,
Lincoln Son Robert doesn't want to go. The speaker of the House says he's busy. The Marquis de Sombre says it's good Friday and you want to spend a wholly day at a theatre. No thank you practically every one in the
strict of Colombia takes a pass, but the prince
has already announced that Lincoln's gonna be there so he's basically like wasn't I gotta go. I can't disappoint the people,
Lincoln's run through their whole rolodex until they finally find two people willing to tag along this
Twenty seven year old Sojourning Henry Rathbone and his fiance Clara Harris there
little late, but the lincolns and their guess finally get to Ford's theatre there
all laughing at the plays funniest line when John
an Wilkes booth, sneaks into the president's Box and shoot
Lincoln in the back of the head, Henry tries
grab booth and subdue him. Barbuda pulls out a night
Slashes Henry in the arm, then he
thumbs down onto stage which is like by ten or fifteen for drop by the way and runs out the back door. Lincoln is untrue,
I'm just but still alive. So they rush him to a boarding house across the street. There is little hope for work
every, but the least they can do is make him comfortable understand,
the bleak Mary is in hysterics. She can't you
stay in the room with her husband for more than a few minutes without collapsing clears dress, is cut
in blood, mostly Henry's, not Lincoln's, but every
time Mary sees her. She screams my husband's blood. My dear husbands, blood
marries grief is so uncontrollable that the men decide its too distracting and they banish her from the room.
It means that she's not there for her husband's last moments at seven
twenty two, a m the next morning, Abe Lincoln finally passes away.
The family minister says a prayer at the bedside and, after all,
long silence. The Secretary of war says now he belongs to the ages or now
he belongs to the angels. To this day, nobody can agree either way. He's wrong.
Because Lincoln's not going anywhere his Spirit
is staying right there in D C, coming up, Lincoln's go
refuses to leave the White House now back to the story,
probably shouldn't surprise you that, after her husband's death, Mary Todd Lincoln consulted with mediums. After
This lady loves a good seance in
Eighteen. Seventy to marry goes to Boston to visit this Spirit photographer a guy named
William somewhere? He takes people's portrait
and when the photo is developed, ghostly figures appear in the background and they often bear
striking resemblance to the subjects dead, loved ones. I know this
sounds like a hoax, like it's probably just a double exposure. Something right, but apparently it wasn't possible.
Do a double exposure with the process member used. There were multiple attempts to debunk him as a fraud.
Nobody could find any explanation or how he could be faking. It
thus even marries a little sceptical so too,
It sure mummer isn't messing with her. She goes to great lengths to conceal her identity. She dropped
to Boston under a fake name, Missus Lynde, all
when she arrives at Mummers studio, she's wearing a morning veil which hides most of her face. She doesn't take off.
Avail until right before he snapped the photo. Any
It seemed to recognize her. He marks
negative as MRS Lindholm and tells me.
To come back in a few days when its developed
When Mary returns, Mummers wife, who also happens to be a medium, is at the studio she digs through and binds. The picture of Mary
Honestly, you need to google this idea really for yourself, because it is pretty uncanny there's. This faint
figure of a man standing right behind Mary with his hands on her shoulders, and I'm telling you
It looks a lot like Abraham Lincoln. It is true,
Lee Shilling.
another woman in the shop asks Mary. If she recognizes the ghost Mary hesitates for a SEC.
And before I say yes, an instant
Missus Munger falls into a trance. She said
is to marry mother. If you can not ready
nice father show the picture to Robert who
if it is only living sign now, Mary
Ok, hang on a animate who am I speaking too?
and Missus Munger says Thaddeus now this is interest
being because Lincoln's youngest son Tad had died the year before, but Tad wasn't short
he has his full name was Thomas, but it's pretty close
and I should mention of this story- comes from Mr Mummers memoir. So maybe he just miss remembered the name when he was writing it, or maybe he
his wife way getting one over on the greening widow, which is exactly what Robert Lincoln thanks.
Robert knows at his mother has always been superstitious and maybe a bit paranoid
honestly seems fair, considering she's lost three sons and a husband. No wonder she
Little high strung, the Robert fields
its reaching the point of actual delusions like an eighteen,
five Mary shows up at Robert Home in Chicago unannounced. She took a train all the way from
Florida, because she was convinced that Robert was seriously ill.
of course, and she arrives Roberts totally fine, but Mary obviously isn't
she's rambling about someone who tried to poison her on the train and that someone stole her pocket book
her behaviour is so erratic. Robert is actually concern for her safety, so he fight
a petition to have her declared in saying in the trial, is ugly
Mary is basically snatched up from her hotel room and taken to the court room with zero notice. She has no time
pair her defence. The jury can
this of a bunch of Robert Friends and marries defence lawyer was hired and paid for by Robert. The defence does
call a single witness, but Robert Scott, seventeen
People lined up to testify against Mary all their testimony focuses on the
but she believe she's being followed by spirits, particularly her husband's ghost
the employees at Marries hotel, say that she's been complaining about strange voices speaking to her through the walls and married
doctor says she's been having terrifying hallucinations at one point she appeared
I told him that AIDS Spirit said that she was going to die soon. The
I'll only last a few hours before Mary is sentenced to a psychiatric hospital and ok
of this stuff is troubling the trial itself.
Obviously a forest, but if these witnesses are telling the truth is hard to deny that something is going on with Mary, but I do when a
for the benefit of the doubt for a minute began.
No one else ever did and
She isn't the only witness who seems to be haunted by Lincoln's assassination. Remember the other cup or the theatre, Clara Harrison Henry Rathbone
Henry made a full recovery from his stabbing at least physically, but they're both traumatized by the whole experience clear,
can't bring herself to get rid of the bloody dress she wore that night. It you see
wrong to throw it away. I guess so when she
home. She just puts it in a clause
leave it there
But, a year later, on the first anniversary of Lincoln's assassination, clear awake,
to the sound of laughter, she looks
four and sees Lincoln sitting in a chair facing the closet and laughing as if he's watching a play when Clara tells her feet
we the next morning they assure her. It was just a dream at this point. Clear is so freaked out that she is the cause of Britain,
with the dress, still inside out of sight,
out of mind, but apparently that doesn't work either
because a few years later, a guest is sweeping over in the room, and he said
the same being. Now, if you think that's bad thing,
are much worse for Henry after the
ass a nation, he starts having serious physical and mental health problems. Allegedly he's tormented by
guilt about not being able to save Lincoln, even
no way he could have stopped the shooting for
eighteen years, Henry suffers from depression, delusions and erratic behaviour. That seems to be getting worse until five
Billy on December twenty third eighteen, eighty three something snaps just
four dawn, Henry Grabs, a knife and a revolver and heads to the bedroom. Where
Children are sleeping, Clara is
able to lure him back to their bedroom, but as soon as the door is closed, Henry shoots her
and then slashes himself with a knife the way booth.
Had stabbed him all those years ago. It is it.
He was reenacted Lincoln's assassination Clara die
but once again, Henry survives his wounds. He spent the rest
of his life in a psychiatric hospital until he dies twenty eight years later so of the three people
who witnessed the assassination all three had their lives permanently destroyed by the trauma we could talkative.
PTSD if they were the only ones being haunted but they're not not by
long shot for the past hundred fifty years Lincoln
Ghost has been seen by tons of people all over the capital,
after the assassination, the? U S, government bought out Ford's theater and turned it into an office building it just.
And wrong to keep showing plays there and for about a
hundred years. There are no ghostly sightings of Lincoln there. I guess
Spirit, appreciated the respect, but in the nineties
sixties Congress decides that enough time has passed. They
shell out the money to restore the building and reopen it as a fully functioning theater and almost
Mediately strange things are happening throughout the seventy.
And eightys tons of people report a bright light shining from Lincoln's booth. Even though its closed to the public
at least one occasion. An actress actually walks off stage complaining about it at one point
a lecturer, comes to the theatre. To give a talk about the assassination. He looks into the audience and
things to see Lincoln sitting in his box, totally lifelike
maybe the most interesting event happens on April fourteen nineteen. Seventy five, the one hundred
and anniversary of the assassination, their performing up
about Martin Luther King Jr called I have a dream in the first act. There is this
seeing where the M o k character is talking about how much he admires Lincoln and in the middle. There is this unexplored.
Did noise like someone running across the stage and out the back door?
its loud enough that everyone in the theater here said, but nobody
CS anything
there's no one backstage who could have made the noise the crew later
finds that alive microphone was somehow dragged across the stage and out the back door
to the alley. This
exact route, John Wilkes Booth took when he ran out of the theatre, maybe a practical joke, but
If so, nobody on the crew confesses either way its problems
not surprising that after affords Data reopens president's of
the place like the plague linen
be Johnson and Richard Nixon both decline, several invitations to visit the venue, but they can avoid
the site where Lincoln's ghost is most often seen the White House by the nineteenth
monies, there's a rumour that every night, when the light over the front door is deemed Lincoln's ghost will appear in pace across the porch. First,
lady grace. Coolidge allegedly sees the ghost herself standing
the oval office, gazing out the window
Eleanor Roosevelt who moves in a few years later, several White House, and please have seen Lincoln staring out that every window.
are also says that not long after they moved in a staff. Member came sprinting down from the second floor in terror. She was
ass being that she'd seen Lincoln sitting on his bed, putting on his boots and the White House
Herman claims that one time, President Rosa
Valet came out of the building screaming he ran right,
into the arms of a guard, insisting he just seen Lincoln theirs
other goes story from the Roosevelt era, that's kind of poorly source, but it's too funny not dimension during World WAR Ii.
Few Winston Churchill is visiting from Britain he gets
the bath and steps into the bedroom totally naked,
apparently sees Abe Lincoln, just standing by the fireplace
now, Churchill isn't a guy who's startles easily. So he just calmly says good evening Mr Prodi
You seem to have me at a disadvantage in the
used sightings continue over the decades president here
Truman says that he often heard tapping on his door at around three. I am but he'd open it to find nothing.
Ronald Reagan, daughter Maureen, who slept in Lincoln's old bedroom when she visited claims that she saw a red glowing aura hovering over her in the middle of the night.
Even in the nineties. Couldn't social secretary says that a lot of Whitehall
employees refuse to go into the Lincoln Bedroom, because that's what I mean
did the sightings occur. So what
what is going on there. It's real enough to scare the crap out of them and look
No, this sounds overwhelming. Like can. The same goes to be haunting the White House, Ford's, theater and Clear Harris's clause.
all the same time, the answer is apparent
yes, but you'd have to expand.
Your definition of ghost there's a type of haunting. That's
hold a residual hunting. Is
exactly and intelligent spirit. It's more like an echo of past events, replaying on a loop,
supposedly, if something traumatic happens at a location, the negative,
Energy will kind of record itself there, and the mole
it will replace over and over, like a movie on an invisible projector screen
Now, as far as national traumas go, the civil war in Lincoln's assassination are definitely up there, which may
Splain. Why Lincoln's ghost is seen so often the shooting,
the theatre, the late night cabinet meetings, the amish
dreams Lincoln had in that bed. I can
we imagine how much negative energy these events gave off and whether its
honest to God, haunting or a case of overactive imaginations? Does it really make a difference?
the point is the same. Either way we can't forget the scars of the
hast are still so real. We can see them wherever.
We go. We're always moving under the weight of the history that came before us and that can be scary, but underneath the fear, I think it's actually kind of comforting
those mysterious taps you here on the wall, the dark. She
You see hovering in the night
there a reminder that you're not alone centuries worth of people have lived
and died in the very spot, you're sitting right now, whatever they went through,
didn't destroy that
their memory is still here. Even after their bodies are gone and if you listen close, you can hear their footsteps walking with you
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