Welcome to the short define Josh this shock, and this is short stuff and it's a very solemn edition of short stuff. In fact, that's right recently in real time in semi recently, in podcast time, justice, Ruth Vader, Ginsburg, passed away on September eighteenth think she deserves a full show on her, which will get around to as you rightly, but she died of eighty seven from complications from pancreatic cancer awe and after serving for twenties.

And more than twenty seven years on the Supreme Court, she became the first woman in american history to lie and state in the? U S: capital, building, yeah I, on Friday September. Twenty fifth, like you said, are our time is a little off but as were recording now that's tomorrow, she will be the first woman to every line. State and people will be able to visit and they hold a m. A whole ceremony that will talk about and ceremony is the right word, because this is a yeah. It's it's meant to be a very soon very ceremonial occasion where the the nation is basically called two more in a very important person who gave to the country with all of her might with with all of her will, with all of her strength. Somebody like that is

enough to say hey as a country, no matter how divided we are we're going to more in this person, and that is the entire point of lying in state. That's right in and now I'm confused whether we should talk in past answer. A future we'll just foot far back and forth, it'll, be earlier that movie loop her, but she here, he also rely in repose at the Supreme Court, which is a different thing, but lying and stated the capital is quite an honour. The last time it happened was representative, Jean Louis right here from Georgia's fifth district. For that I was representative Elijah Cummings,

I believe John Mccain was only the thirteenth senator to ever lie in state so, and he was the last person from Congress to lie in state before comings and Louis. I believe yen, and the point here is not like any politician that serves the country is worthy of this honour. Considering Mccain was only the thirteenth senator yeah I think only a handful of a private citizens, including Rosa Parks, have ever been honoured as such, and that was in two thousand five

yeah and being a private citizen. Rosa parks lied in honor, which is different as we'll see, but lying in state is a very distinct honor and it's actually, I don't want to see a fairly new to the first time it was done in the United States in the capital was July. First, one thousand eight hundred and fifty two with Henry Clay. Who is the congressman from Kentucky and known as the great compromiser, and he was honored because he had worked basically the entire political life to stave off civil war. He failed posthumous Lee, but during his lifetime he managed to keep it from happening and so it was the first person to lie in state in the United States capital right. So maybe we should take a break out a little cliffhanger until everyone who actually makes the decision on when this happens right after this

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we believe in good. We can all afford all right, so drum roll, please its Congress, nice. I hope there is a high had to when you said Congress I cant do I had, although, ironically I do have a drum sit behind, him the Kurds, as does the whole other dimension words begging corporate you, so Congress has to propose this and approve of Is it could come by resolution? Usually you don't To have a resolution, usually they can just say come on. Can we just agree on this? One thing:

and not have to have an official vote on this right. Congressional leadership. Desgas hey. This is what we are going to do and nobody objects man there. So many political jokes and just avoiding right now. But yes, that's exactly what happens for sure, but you get something. You said something before that. Not not. Everybody gets this honour lying state. Why, in lying in honor are basically the same thing. It just depends on whether you're an elected official and whether you are a private citizen, it's much rare for a private citizen to get it, but the only people who automatic we are offered the opportunity to have their remains lie in state at the. U S, capital are president's an Ex presidents in that right. Is it true, yeah yeah? So

Congress can decide Hey years, significant enough to to lie in state, but is not automatic right right unless you're president right right. So so, like you said, Congress has to propose it and when they do, they alert this agency called the architect of the capital which I had not heard of before. Until researching this yeah. Well, it's a different air sea. That's for sure, right, yeah! That's what they're known as is a of sea, which I'm sure can be confusing, is Molly, went a yo, see eventually dies in office fifty years from now and is lying in state when the aim of sea takes care of EO sees state funeral, that's right, the architect of the capital. In this case notified and basically it sorted of just like any event that you're going to plan a lot of cleaning has to happen. They like power wash the front of the building, they

wax and buff the floors. They want everything to look top notch. They you know they fabricate a wooden stand to hold a casket and polish everything up, and they just you know you got to get all the cobwebs out. for something like that. It's you know you ve arrived, who their power washing the capital for you're, the your funeral, your viewing, you know,

yeah, and also wonder what that government contracts looks like right. Still, the M the at the stand that they put your coffin on. Sometimes they construct him for sure, but they also have one. Those things are called cattle Fox and the cat, a fog is decided, the decorative ornamental stand a coffin is resting on, and so, when you see images of somebody lying and state look at what their coffins on and if there are president there's a really good chance that that's a pine catafalque that was first built to hold Lincoln's remains in eighteen, sixty five, which, my goodness, I can't imagine too many higher honours than being placed having your coffin placed on the cattle fuck that was originally constructive, ray

am Lincoln. Yet what I'm curious about is, if the wishes of the person or the president is to be cremated post haste. What they do I dont know I would guess that they would probably revise. The you know could build a different care for her. You know whatever. I would hope that they would. They would acknowledged the dying persons who is lying in states. Final wish, no matter what it is, but I think you have to you would think so, but the I would guess that they would do that for sure they would just adjust their there their Emma basically, but they they? The thing is, is it you can also say I dont want to wine state in any form, whether cream, did or anything like that or your family can say that in fact, Truman's, family and Nixon's family both declined

the honor of lying of having the remains of those former presidents lying in state in the capital and instead, I know Nixon for sure, was just lying in repose in his library in your Belinda and the only difference between lying. opposing lying in state is whether you are basically on public display as part of a state funeral or not. If it's part of stay funeral you're lying in state, if it's not your line, you repose and so Justice Renquist family also declined the offer. Instead, he lay in repose at in the Supreme Court. Building that right and everything we mention. This all takes place at the rotunda right. That's the floor, thereby thing in shining up, there's, obviously gotta be a spot for media. They set up these risers because there is an actual ceremony hosted by congressional leadership, and you know it

to have all just the nuts and bolts and placed the lighting in the microphones and, like you said us like any other event, they just want to go down. smooth in very respectfully and by all accounts very cleanly yeah of power washed in everything right. So there is this answer. Paul just said this house averts article interviewed and dumb. Her name is Shannon Lee Daddy and she is an anthropologist universe. You Chicago and she pisses really beautifully said. The ceremonies like laying in state lying in state are meant to embalm in idea that basically, this person, especially upon their death, Becomes like this electrified, concentrated reminder of national spirit of you, know America itself of all the things that are good about America, that that, like their work and life in everything, they did especial

in death. When people you know forget about everything else, in really focus on the good things that the person did, that those good things are really about pushing the country forward or keeping the country in a good good state, and that that's one of the reasons. The main reason for four lying in state is to really just kind of say: hey everybody does that's remember all this will focus on that too embalm an idea. I thought those really good way to put it yeah to unite the country for forty twelve hours, tops, tops and that's a cynical view, but that's kind of the truth here. Sin cynicism and rationalism are basically interchangeable. These days it feels like that's a good quote. Two thanks Chuck: I appreciate

you got anything else about lying in state. I got nothing else. I look forward to doing so myself, Demi too I'll be sitting there. Weeping over your casket wailing for days on end checked my pretty well, that's it for us, that's for lying in state as if a short stuff shorts stop, you should know, is the production of I radios how stuff works for more podcast, my heart, radio, Is it that I heard radio apple podcast wherever you listen to your favorite, shows.