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2023-04-29 | 🔗

When a suspect or prisoner goes on the lam there are plenty of ways to hide: in plain sight, in the mountains, in another country. There are as many types of ways law enforcement uses to track wanted people as their are ways to go on the lam, but there are some founding principles to carrying out a successful manhunt and they actually include you. Learn about how the fuzz tracks down fugitives and how it's evolving in the age of social media in this classic episode.

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that makes this stuff. You should know the podcast. That's right, you gotta come up with something different to call soon. As you know, the podcast is boring. The explain, explainer readers info cast right. I dunno pumpkin. is what it is. Edutainment chuck. Yes, do you know of a man named James Earl, ray yeah yeah, the jerk? Yes, I saw it. I saw him referred to as dimwitted, oh really yeah, which makes his escape pretty thrilling and yeah suspect. Really, let me give you back out. Sir James array was a Missouri prison escape, you any role than the memphis to assassinate martin luther king Jr. Yes, who was in memphis to support the sanitation workers strike? There are nineteen sixty
and james array got a room across the street from the lorraine hotel, where I'm ok was staying apparently published in the papers now only where he was staying with his room number to guess was custom at the time. Actually, from what I understand, it was customary it was an unheard of in games or re, get a room found out that he had a decent shot at them, the balcony outside of kings. Room if he leaned down to the bathroom share bathroom of his communal hotel and our shared beth I shared bathroom that somebody could have gone in and been like. Oh sorry, sir, pretty much didn't see you in here with that rifle with that huge hunting, rifle yeah yeah. Well, he he got a shot off, he killed mlk and he ran out of the the this place it was referred
It was a flophouse and he left behind valuable evidence with his prints on it, namely the rifle bundle of his clothing and some other stuff that they used to create a trail for James Earl, ray got a name We he got a picture and ginger away made it out a memphis and he actually made it to canada and he made it to Portugal and in the uk, and the way he made. It was under an assume passport which, for a dim, waited Missouri prison, escapee, forged passport, that's pretty heavy stuff. I think it's probably easier back Well, ok, you know he was traveling under the name. George remounts need right, yes, and they found out there.
He was traveling under that name, because canadian police, after being contacted by the american authorities with a picture of james or away, went through about a hundred and fifty thousand passports that they had accepted. I guess copies of them, yeah that I think about it and then finally found one that looked like James Earl ray found out that the person traveling under that passport was in fact at heathrow airport or in london yeah when he went to heathrow airport, they apprehended him, and he said you got me, I'm James earl ray and I killed mlk. I mentioned that was tough, because everyone back then looked like James Earl, ray yeah. Pretty much. You know all those dudes looked the same back in the fifties and although this was the sixties, but he still looked like that
He looks fifty this he did and he confessed and then later on, of course recanted and said. No. I was part of a plot and a conspiracy and- and they said t s o. Actually the king family said you know what we think this guy's telling the truth tour and they got a new trial brought and he died in prison before he could be brought to trial again in the late nineties and then Youtube wrote a song about it or saw it was the song a pride in the name of love: oh yeah, early morning April, four bright red herrings, but that came before James Earl, ray yeah. And what do you mean? You said and then youtube I. It was just you confused me for a second yeah and I dunno if it was early morning either for I think for some reason. I always heard that bono got that one wrong. Oh really, yeah I'll have to look that up, I'm not sure what time it was yeah, I'm sure we could find out, but bonner within say that morning it's like a state of mind or something right.
I'm cool, gotta blue sunglasses, always so the humphrey james arrays. Just one example. History is littered with manhood's and what street about that is that no man hunt really resembles other manhood's. Yeah. I mean it's, it's weird like you can hold up in the woods for years and then eventually get caught or if your whitey, bolder You can go out new driveway in santa Monica and get caught like I guess Amanda is the same because no go. On the lamb is the same. Some prefer right in plain sight deal some prefer the middle of the wood. Some people prefer in bolivia sure now What would you do if I ran the run down the lamb? I would, I would probably be a woodland creature.
I don't know, but even if I did know I wouldn't say on the pike cask as every pretty dumb in case, I ever do need to go in the lamb in the future. Although I hadn't planned thing is there's something to be said. For that sure, You know yeah. Well, I mean you gotta get some plastic surgery done in this day and age yeah or just mess your face up a little bit. Well, ITALY, with whitey bulger, he was on the lam with his long time, girlfriend catholic Catherine Greig. I believe her name was and she had extensive plastic surgery and and which had nothing to do with being on the lam they well, they do too they she actually got them found. Oh really yeah they're there. So why both? was annoying for sixteen years right there good it was. He was up there with osama bin laden as one of america's most wanted fugitives.
It was a million dollar bounty on his head. It was big time and the whenever they found out that he had been somewhere where they thought he was somewhere they, the f b. I would take out thirty second commercials on tv saying: have you seen this man? Have you seen this woman? This woman is known to frequent hair salons this guy's whitey bulger, you know, call the f b. I if you see him in the area during times when his girlfriend's demographic would be watching tv. Oh sure, so this served a two fold purpose, one. If she saw It- and he saw it, then it would scare him and hopefully flush him out of hiding cause. It's a lot easier to catch, somebody out in the open yeah, which is a common tactic right or to the people that she might be friends,
then associate with could be watching t v at the time and drop a dime on her and in fact that's what happened. Someone like some lady who gave her a pedicure at a hair salon, really called and said. I think this woman that you're looking for is here- and this is her address and the cops went to the to the apartment said. Sir. It looks like somebody broke into your your storage unit here around the corner and whitey bulger steps outside and they go clink clink. What what did they even say that? Could they not go inside or something I? I guess they didn't have enough probable cause they'd deliver. I said. I love that that's, okay, right! It's not okay to come in, but it's okay to lie and say that right, your storage units busted into yeah. I'm surprised you fell for that too yeah. He is too, he might mighty gotten lazy after sixteen years.
I don't think so. May I think he was really wound up pretty tight, arid and along form article by a neighbour of his a young guy who, like befriended him over the years, and he said he was wound up real time always on the lookout. Did he write about him cagey? He will come like me. Or to the mob, pretty I'm sure our Matthew modin here if I've been exploitable dread, that book would be on the children answer and would be called neighbour Bob. I wonder whether aaron coopers gonna make me so who else we got John wilkes booth. Obviously I went on the lamb fer a pretty short time after he shot lincoln twelve days. Ended up in a farm house where there's all kinds of stories and how he might a dyed, whether he was and alive or whether he was truly rooted, by the fire and then shot guy.
Stanley linger for awhile, but either way manhood's have been around as long as people been killing people yet, and there are some principles that do can hold true for all man hunts across the board and pretty much one of them is get the public involved yet because, when you do that time and time again, man hunts have shown that, like somebody out, there is seen this person recently will call right, especially these days, with technology with, like everyone having a camera in their pocket, basically or sharing on social media or being up to the second, with news reports. It's like it's made, man, hunts, easier yes and then the other factor that makes for successful man is having a lot of people doing a lot of groundwork, like the canadian officials going through all of those past
It's to try to find one that looked like James Earl, ray yeah. I wonder how many people they visited before him, like the other twelve guys that look just right, yeah, sorry, like it's not me.
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play now in the wall. It up on my phone and go explore, subject to credit approval, applicant issued by goldman sachs bank. Usa, salt lake city branch terms apply so alright chuck. So I'd say that somebody on the run the united states took it and it's not a set. A big deal senator leah national mankind. It's a is a regional mannheim will say: ok, like someone knocked off a liquor, store and shot somebody and was on the loose get in a neighbourhood. We want to find that guy. What do you do? Well, I'm glad you asked I've done this with mirrored sunglasses on yeah bloodhound, the first you gotta do my friend is contain the area. It's called containment and it sounds just like what it is. You are
it's like trying to seal off an area and watch all the possible exits from that area, and if it's a neighborhood, I guess you're going to just pick out a certain amount of blockage and shut it down and have cops posted at each street exit right and just know that we have at least this area completely contained. If this dude is in here, we're going to say guys cause how many times the women do stupid stuff like this and go on the lam not much, No sir, have you not heard of thelma and Louise? That's like the one thing. So, if you do have an area contained where you want to do is not just not let anybody in or out without finding out, if it's the person you're looking for yeah, you also probably want to go door to door and say: hey. Are you being?
hostage right now, some guy with a gun come into your basement window. Recently, I that's what they did actually are with a twenty square block area and when they were searching for the boston marathon bombers ye shall we talk about those guys real, quick sure they were jerks to the sara neff brothers and they blew up a couple of pressure cookers. I fashioned into bombs at the finish line in the boston marathon and fb. I got on it pretty quick with I'm getting photos released of who they thought. These guys were which turned out to be really key because after a kind of a crazy scene where one of them was shot and killed by the police like throwing bombs at the cops yeah. Quite a scene run over, by his brother and then the one. I guess is that so far the dsl right, yeah, joker, joker, dzhokhar
He is the one that ended up in a residential neighborhood, hiding in a boat under a tarp yeah, and he was they sniffed him off the case with some ah infrared image. and basically goes like predator there, like there's a guy on that boat, because I see his red body breathing right. so the reason that they found out that the dude was in the boat was because the person who own the boat was under in this area, under the security lockdown in containment, and was well aware, thanks to the local news and social media. We thing else that they were looking for this guy, so when he saw that there was a dude in his boat yeah, he called the cops. That's how the cops found suspect number two in the boston bombing case right. I bet that was a rush for that guy. I I wrote about like what he said. I think he was kind of scared, I'm sure
cause it's pretty obvious. Like you see a guy, there's a lockdown, your neighborhood nice guy. Go climb under your boat tarp in their backyard or let him yeah, you know bleeding guy. I think he was bleeding at the time, even more reason so with with both the Boston's a great case and because it's recent everybody knows about it, but because it has like so many different points to it. That really can give you an idea of what a manhunt consists of. So you get containment, you've got a door to door, search, you've got and the public transportation being shut down those big one that your art of containment as well yeah. They set up a no fly zone. They closed the rules. They closed, they shuddered businesses. It was basically the biggest shut down of a major you, a city in history, right it people. We were in the tamenay you were asked to not leave their house that horrid newspeak, shelter in place, yeah yeah term that sounds like you should be,
corner, like hundreds of shelter and play, I remember a tweet from doktor ruth while that was going on, she say: hey if you're having the shelter in place, maybe not a good time to turn off the sea being intimate with your loved ones. The Congolese allow air, they say there still carrying up the money is, but it's telling up to over a billion dollars for that man, white and the crazy somebody's milk, in that you gotta, think billions. I got a cyber was here not on a man hunt, but president obama came through my neighborhood a few months ago, like on his way to school indicator for something cool and literally drove like down the block. For my house, the motorcade dead did you run out. Well now you can't just my boy, like my friend, you remember Chris Cox, his wife. being stuck at the same intersection in her house was across the street like
forty feet away, she's like so that is my house baby sitter there and paying like cut his walk across the street, and he was like no he would not let her walk across the street and into her own home. You have no rights, the president new street here and he wasn't even it took like another half hour and she's like I really just need to walk right there and he wouldn't allow it. So that's some serious luck I get the point as when the governments are lucky down. They can lock you down here, pretty myself so chuck You do have rights, however, well yeah, that's a good segue. I guess, and it was a great segue buddy yeah it. If, if you're in, if you're being told not to leave your house for salt, you can technically leave your house. Can you, I think, you'd, just your risk of being shot at by the police go through the roof? Maybe so that's pretty good.
Is it not to leave your house just out of common sense? You can be enraged all you want indoors mount just like any other light and the police kansas bussing down your door saying? Is he here? No ok, let's go cato the next or they can knock it. It can we come in a look- and you gave say your or nay if they have probable cause, save one of em saw the suspect run into your house. Thing can go after him without asking you or if the creeping around you a garden pekin in your windows, which they can do legally. The other cops yet. Again. They could, you know, see somebody they think looks like the suspect than they less probable cause. There's a dozen loophole, big not to drive like an armored truck through if you're not taken up on that
Yet if they need to provide emergency services, they can do that yeah, they can say. Oh, we thought you you needed. Cpr were glad to see her. Ok, now that we're in your house were looking around or another big loophole is the exigence circumstances which are now in the case of Boston. They could probably barge into any one's home and be covered under that one. Yet that's basically like there were there's a state of emergency going on like the civil law is just out the window, because the situation is so dire, and yet they are, you'd that this guy was running around with explosives. That's an emergency sure. As far as I know, they didn't like go into any houses. Unbidden, though yeah we're, not trying to say like in a case like that, like bus down some doors, you know, I'm that's handling, captured me doing this.
what I would like to bombers on the loose. So I get it even still. The cops don't wanna bus down a door because it they're going to have to prove exigent sir circles answers. They can then any evidence that they they got from an unlawful searches out the door, and so their case could be as while yeah you be careful stuff like that yassin, you want to do is have your purpose walk you, like others, cop speak, walk, yeah, you're per blocks because of the bad bad evidence, then you're going to be what's the what's it called when the cop gets eighty sixth eighty sixth suspended without pay appealing like we're channeling the tv show episode. We know: oh yeah ruin your like. We had a tv show, yeah out about that. Ok, where are we, then? While I was saying that one of the hallmarks of a good man height is
a lot of people doing a lot of work and again Boston was a good example of that it a lot of different law enforcement agencies, basically one she hadn't, even heard of all ponies well personnel yeah, I mean you're going to get state cops, local, cops, sheriffs, F, b, I and that that's for a case like that or obviously, if it's something like: u b l, then everyone scenes your dark. Thirty or if you have it, you should you've got like thousands of people over a decade all over the world working together. It was just that one lady was just the one lady, the pretty redhead so, and the the author of this article makes a pretty good point that during a manhunt there is such thing as what in police speak would be called collateral. Damage
I sure I like the lapd search for Christopher Dorner is a very good example of this. You remember that case yeah man that was freaky yeah, there's like there's a facebook page, it's twenty thousand plus people strong says it's called. We stand with Christopher dorner, oh really yeah, because he left behind him. So he was an lapd officer who was fired for making a false accusation against another cop right when he reported that a copy was working with kicked a homeless man during an arrest, but that was false. It was found false and he was fired as a result. Right from his perspective, if you see it through his through his eyes, That was all just a huge cover up and they got rid of the troublemaker who was not. You know gone with the flow on the force, the lapd covering up malfeasance right, that's weird, so he leaves is like angry manifesto about. You know how the lapd is the most corrupt organization on the planet and it's racist and yeah, and
there is a lot of people out there who are like. I know this to be true: yes, I've been on the wrong end of a nightstick with the lapd I've seen l, a confidential yeah exactly and that's in the forties yeah I mean it's that's I know they've cleaned it up a lot, but that is one department in this country. That's been fraught with allegations yeah and his point was they haven't cleaned it up a lot they've just gotten better at pr, so he he goes on. He takes the manifesto and ends up going on an assassination killing spree killing cops yeah killed the woman who represented him in his case, who is the daughter of a cop It was announced like that's. What's so scary about it was like he was like hey, I'm coming to kill cops exactly. You are not going to see me coming either. He was on a rampage yeah, it was scary stuff, so the lapd is super jumpy at this fire on not one but two cars they dont have christopher doorn random, killed two people, unbelievers
as a result and, finally, there's a stand off after they find em thanks to some park rangers in big bear or big, sir, when the two I had big bear big barrier and he ends up setting is the cabinet in on fire. Harrassing inflamed set was crazy, but the the the fact is two two different cars were shot on by the lapd during the search for this guy, so it these aren't just necessarily clean affairs same with bin laden. You know this was part of a campaign that took place over a very long time and a lot of people were killed to weaken the structure that was hiding him still yeah. Strikes out the wazoo. They used some pretty interesting tactics too that were not in the movie and even though I've heard the movie is pretty accurate, but they didn't include everything obviously
they sent a doctor. In c I a guy who conducted immunization drive in the neighborhood, where they believed his compound was there and basically hoping to come across dna from him or his family under the eyes of a blood? Dr right, it was a immunization dr, yet it and call it like hey it's. A dna collection crank drive by their. There is a lot, a big public outcry, especially from the vaccine establishment, saying like dude. You can't do that because now our name is on that vaccine right in the next time. We want to have a real vaccine drive no one's going to show up in our vaccination. People are going to get killed because they're going to think they're. Cia yeah there's a big beef, a big hubbub about that that's legit and the
days, it's tough, especially if you're in a city like london, england to do anything without being caught on a closed circuit camera and, in fact that's how they eventually identified with the help of and actually one of, the victims in boston. They are on camera to. But if you're in a big city, it's tough to get away with anything these days, cameras are everywhere they also have, I mention the infrared device. The forward looking infrared device night vision, you ve, got all sorts of tricks up your sleeve as long. women agencies. You think you're hiding in a boat under a tarp, that's pretty safe! You don't think about the dude with the predator camera that can see you from you know fifty feet away, breathing heavily right and they also have like armored trucks. I think you mentioned those yeah
not even about this like from diehard yeah. He see those things roland, like I'm sure they loved to play with those once a year again those lapd yeah, but these are very expensive and dumb, but they do come in handy. I guess about once a year if you can afford it. If your towns, large enough, we should say to them, there was facial recognition software that they had working on the video, for the boston bombing and it did not work yeah. We have an article on that by the way. I think we should cover that at some point: facial recognition, MIA yeah, that's scary, stuff. Apparently, Google has one that like they won't. They won't release to the public, really cause they're, afraid of the use it'll be put to like that good wow and that potentially bad but the one the cia has doesn't work that well. I could see Google having way better algorithms in the cia, true so check
Another aspect of boston search, the boston, manhunt yeah, was the use of social media for good and ill or did good effect and bad. I should say, yeah getting the word out on facebook and twitter is not a bad idea, yeah. Well, the read: it was kind of the star of the show or the scapegoat. I should say for social media in the search for the boston bombing suspects, because there were apparently like a couple thousand stills video, stills and photographs from the area around the time of the bombing posted on a red it sub, read it yeah and dumb. Although these people were like coming through on like they're trying to crowd source this man hunt yet which is a good intention
and they were looking for suspects. This is before anybody ever released any official photos and, and that in and of itself is kind of a good idea sure, but it went a step further where the people on reddit were saying, okay, I've got it figured out and it's this person yeah and they would name a suspect and all of a sudden there's a rumor out there that this person bond bombed the boston marathon yeah, even though they hadn't so so red. It took a lot of heat for that night. Apparently, they even took form down, but social media also helped in a lot of ways, because everybody was totally connected to this man hunt yet complete up to the date information matter. The minute information from within that contain an area from everywhere, and I guess kind of helps a little more than just pay.
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with apple pay, is safer to know handling cards, no exchanging cash apply now on the wall. It up on my phone and go explore, subject to credit approval apple com. Issued by goldman sachs bank. Usa, salt lake city branch terms apply okay, so who is it it's the The okay obama ok ends. Kosinski was on the lamb for eighteen years. One of the links vs man- hunting. U S, history, not easy to hide out for that long and he did it with He did it in the wilds of montana, just pretty good idea. I guess, if you're going to hide out just drop off the map and type manifestos actually montana that should have been looking there. That should been going there. First, but I m here mailed sixteen bombs over the course of
a few years and ended up killing three people wounding twenty three, more and had a million dollar bounty on his head one, as was one of the most wanted, an eventual, He was rooted out by his own brother, who read one of the manifestoes and said it sounds like teddy and went to the cops and said hey, the sky might be my brother, the writing style. The things he saying like it very well could be my brother and it turned out that was him right so, which is another k. Another point for the case that for a manhunt to work, you have to get the public involved and they did so by publishing these manifestos and said anybody familiar with this yeah and the guy's brother said. Yeah me Yes, with Eric robert rudolf yeah, those I dont remember how they caught him
I believe it was hikers in the woods. Okay turned him in. I might be wrong, but he was definitely hiding out in the woods and he was of course, the olympic bomber and not the guy. They originally pinned it on, which was pretty sad, was his name ah er richard jewel, yeah man. I felt so bad for that dude yeah. Can you imagine like life ruined? yeah and they they are compensated and pretty handsomely afterward. But then he only lived a couple million. Oh, he died yeah. He died of a heart attack a few years after that. I don't think. I knew that yeah that's cause he's like I'm eating steak and lobster every night he asked me the drawn butter richard jewel yeah, I didn't know he died, yeah and and then so back to online real, quick and there's there's evidence that
you can crowd source a man, huh yeah, there's a whole group of people that live online that are into true crime, that are that like use their interest in their online search skills to try to find the identities of like long lost serial killers and there's all sorts of online man hunts diameters take on an apparently the state department held something called the tag challenge yet where they had people hiding in cities around the world and people had twelve hours. I mind contestants had twelve hours to find them in like these five different cities. I'm using just mugshots, and it worked so they found that with a search as time becomes more of an essentially it is. Is the pressure of mount people stop just?
shooting the info out to wherever they can instead, like really targeting focusing their search and once you have a bunch of people doing that who are really focused and searching, but a lot of em in sharing information like on social media. That's when they like a search and not just a man, hunt research for a person, but a search for anything becomes more successful. I guess we'll you imagine in Boston abet every the thousands of people in that twenties, whereby radio are looking out of their window area for this dude so you've got thousands and thousands of more eyeballs as two eyeballs per person in most cases, unless you're one of those weird pirates, boston pirates and that's just that helps you know yep as long as you're, not out, don't grab their guns and you know get decision or yeah, that's scary! Well, that's why they release the pictures of the suspects. Finally, because they were trained to crack down
An I mind, vigilante that could lead to real life vigilante. Is there so hats off to the dude who saw the dude in the boat for anything else I am not an outside of fuel oil or more about man hunt you can take that word in the search bar has the forks and since I sit search bar then me this time for listener man. yeah, I'm going to call this chess about chess and I'm going to read a couple of them, not here, but one now and one another episode, because we got a lot of great feedback from chess enthusiasts. I noticed people dig this game. This is from David wagner: hey guys, while you are discussing the constant concept of cancelling the also didn't quite understand the value or strategy behind it. You're right, it is all about protecting the king member. How pointed out that you want to control the center of the board? Yes, that, when your pieces are off to the side there, not a straw,
yes well, that has a lot to do with why you want to castle. Basically, the king is more vulnerable open to attacks and has less protection when he remains in his original ear d square. So you want to castle him and get him away from those center squares gotcha. Also you talk about the armpits. It is one of my favorites in something almost never pass up he's going to be most. wait, because I get because I rarely get a chance to implement it doesn't happen when a pawn passes another pawn, though on it's first move out. It is when it lands next to another pawn that the latter pawn can capture it. So I think we screwed that up. He. It up big time not because we're close no I've got their way wrong. One last thing and then acquit chess pieces of this in their symbol, on top of many of the basic pieces themselves,
if his visual reminders of how they can move. For example, the night is l shaped, which is how it moves. The bishop's mitre has a diagonal slit in it. They move diagonally. The rook when seen from above, can move in the basic cardinal directions forward back left right and on top of the rook, there are turrets pointing in all the cardinal directions. Nice a queen has many points on her crown showing that she can go in any way any direction in that small little cross. On top of the king lets, you know how far he can go, although that doesn't include stag moments which he can move in to that one. The whole theory kind of falls apart there a little bit, but that is from David Wagner in columbia, south carolina, nice thanks a lot David Wagner that was a great email, pleasant, approachable gentle with the corrections is good stuff. All around you can dance to it. The right way to go away, if you want to send us in email or reach out to us digitally
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