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You can go now. I really don't want to die yeah, I don't want to die either. There are quite a few people have quarrelled with the idea of death recently in the news and when I say the idea of death, what I mean
specifically is. There are quite a few people who,
said, Yo Immortal
we may be attainable within our lifetimes, either guardian awhile back published a
for timeline estimation, those very optimistic. It said that by twenty fifty Immortal
we have some sort, would be within the grasp of human beings, man that is ah, I just wanted to be true
so before we continue with yesterday's ever so by the way is the future of death and
You and I have explored
concept in all sorts of ways ray I'm just looking at over the span of history, how
how hard we have struggled to conquer death and in so many so many different ways. We try to conquer death. By making you know entire religions
beliefs, structures to conquer death, sure we are building legacies yeah, oh yeah, there's so many ways that we have attempted to do it, but so far at least that way
we are of no one has been successful. Yeah at this point
has not been a single, universally accepted account.
Some wine communicating from after death right or returning
death now, of course, their entire belief systems built around that, and there
countless personal anecdotes of things.
Like encounters with go straight and more real.
Carnation on you,
fine, soon varied
serving and fascinating quotation
from children who allegedly say things that indicate a die. What am I fear,
It was in this list. I saw recently a
The girl was hanging on talking in their family or something about being in a car,
are being some situation. She had never been in
Oh, what happened the day, she oh
car and there was a fire mom
and my dad we're fine, but I sure was it
something like that. We now have a cousin who swears
she was a chinese man in her previous life, and she can recount will reconsider, listen to tell your story
of stories and sorting stories about her life about her wife,
but her children and all this stuff. It's interesting is fascinated me since I was a kid. She would tell me stories when she was when I was younger, nothing
and you guys haven't corroborated it, yet, no, not yet haven't found the evidence. Stolen outwardly break the illusion if there is an illusion
in reincarnation is a vast, any topic volatile and there are some really excellent pieces of research-
and anecdotes alleging that we can bring to bear on that, I think, will call it
wait for another day as long as we lived through this podcast without, we would like to present to you guys the future of death. Now unjust, terrified, I'm gonna, just crook,
on this MIKE. So what is death then the time? Ok, so
would be when your vital will there a couple things by the first one is when your vital cell function ceases to occur. Okay, so like physical, physical death, death of the body, yes, absolutely and- and that includes physical death of the brain brain activity.
That ceases? Ok right! So that would be. That would be
something where you just sort of become a lump of material, says no, there's no vital
sanctions no electrical activity in the brain, no heart be cardiac activity. None of that
ass in very soon after that happens, yourselves start a breakdown, and you can you? Can you can kind of look at that process to verify
the death has occurred. Ah, yes, okay, so we do have physical proof of what happens to the body after death there
a second definition of death which comes to us from Harvard Metal
Harvard Medical Elite. Some time ago, a few decades back, I indeed talked about concept of brain death. Now
This might be apart. Listeners where you say hang on, did you guys just talk about bringing a sort of, but here's the big difference, brain death
maybe
hey guys as a persisted persistent vegetative state guys.
So, this means that your boy,
body, cells are still able to function,
usually with some sort of system there respirator, that's the most common thing, you'll see right
respirator sure intravenous fluid stuff like that I'd buy the brain death is called
because there is a cessation of conscious brain activity. So
we know a little bit about the brain weaving scientists are such that we know that the for food.
Facing part of the brain, I is
a lot of the who am I
kind of things occur in your head and win that
stops we have home
definition of death because we have the body, but nothing
and we have the form, but not the function so
well. We know, then, that the body was
Assistance can continue after the about after the end of
observable consciousness, however, we dont know if there
first, is true, and with these with these two definitions of
we also know a lot about. To paraphrase
Donald Rumsfeld, we know about
what we don't know, yeah yeah there, so ok,
the question is what happens then after that occurs, when
or brain just when we.
Dont know that we are anymore, but we don't know, the we exist anymore in our body. Perhaps is still functioning in some way. But if you took
spread off. If you took
the machinery away, then the body would probably in many cases, begin to die
What happens to you? The person, I'm speaking to you,
now that hearing this in your ears, what happens to you when you die an herein lies the biggest question. Perhaps we ve talked rose before then. This is perhaps the biggest question out there. Yet this is the
this is the great daily double or final
answer situation in human existence, because
We know that there are literally thousands
low volume, literally thousands of ideas of what happens- posts death. Eighty
May I say that, of course,
there is no there's. No,
you'll consciousness. That's just sort of an illusion, produced by biochemical reactions in our brains are there
be. People are very different
spiritual beds, who say that there is,
very specific choice of after life or that
The mind is somehow recite:
into another person, be reincarnation, but
the big problem is that we currently
and have never to this date.
The way to measure what happens or to measure consciousness.
After death or the measure you know their when there's no way to to look at it.
Look at it with a microscope. You can't look at it with any kind of imaging if there is something that persists after death outside of the
go body. We have found a way yet at least yeah. That's a very good point. We being unease,
to really measure quantify consciousness, independent
Another physical, medium
we have, we don't have the tools to figure out why
we're trying to measure
we assume that the cards
now. As we understand it is some sort of energy, then yeah
is to a better place, but that doesn't get us yet to a place where we can. We can measure this most of the things we know about consciousness, that our quantifiable are
based on our understanding of the way the car
his mind relates to a physical, medium and once those too
divorce. I, during the process of death there,
we don't have any way to track it. So one of the most pragmatic things
personally heard about it. Is that it
as brash
to assume that there is no continuation as it
to assume that there is theirs. Literally no information, I'd like to take a second
total sidebar, and
mention one of the driest books
I've ever read, saying alike, so read aloud to dry books, so this book, which we can fairly call at home
The denial of death is about something called a fan, ecology and there's the study of death, the premise of the book. Let me
Have you some reading time? Spoiler is simply this that the human
fear of the unknown event called death is so pervasive that everything we do in life. All the human institutions in constructions are merely at basis. A way of distracting herself
from the inescapable and terrifying fact that one day,
We will be no more while the great bleak
I know man, only philosophers can manage that level, but we do know, of course, that death is in
in addition to a horrifying philosophical quandary. It's also part of the
nature of existence on this planet, for almost every life form death is
grand in our genes and we we know a little bit about the size of this- were learning more more every day, right, oh yeah, so
all the cells the make up your body. They have this basically a timeline that they can divide a certain amount of times. I don't know exactly
that is both once they reach their limit. They die, they ceased their. They cease to function.
Right. Well, the enter a non dividing state right and this is replicated soon essence.
Financing is aging rights, age out of their reproductive period,
of their life. Just the same way that as
human beings, the great conglomerate
since of cells that we are will ultimately aged
point where we cannot reproduce so, there's a
of research. Currently
then called Tell Mayor shortening tell a marriage shortening which scientists believe
Maybe the molecular clock, the triggers this aging and
the idea here is kind of excite
because it makes us think well if we can prevent these things from shortening,
Every cell division, then perhaps we could call
in a situation in which a cell continually divides
released. Elongated too,
they were living at twice as many
years as we normally would maybe five times as many years. If not you know, cap in ITALY, which is in itself a terrifying
immortality is another one of those great curses and a power in a curse.
Yeah, Mama, linear, more problems, so
It's. A great subway met so immortality. What
What the hell are you mortality? Well, it's ok, so
mortality? Ben is when I,
the mind
were the body continue?
on with its vital functions for an indefinite period which could be YO
A very long period or just forever,
Ok, I see anywhere where
drawing on some questions that war. What Europe towards the end of this pot cast to so what stick with the fact that the first part
it sounds like their different types of immortality from one that definition,
number one. Let's just address the biggest
elephant in the room of this debate, and that is physical,
immortality, the idea that you could answer,
The question in that queen song and say yes, I want to live forever, turns out that you wouldn't be the first,
or versions of physical immortality.
We have observed. I in
we're lifetime listeners in lifetime in my lifetime, their real immortals, what
we're gonna, find out. They don't
all have the
nice kind of immortality. You would what all of the immortality that we're about to talk about in the in the
nonsense
has some pretty hefty strings attached. Heather's a catch, there's a catch in the cap,
of a
It all jellyfish called tour Topsy, turvy topazes,
you can be an immortal in Aceh
look away. So this very interesting, tiny little creature, I had
juvenile state
to maturity and eve, something here
then do it. If it is injured or traumatize, then it will
returned to its Juve
I'll state and grow up again soon
we're version and immortality cause. What that means for you- and I met- is for instance, if we
under went a traumatic physical event. If our
hi cast studio, Coreham fire and you had no eighty five percent of your body burned then, instead of
I ain't or slowly recuperating in Burma word, you would choose
into a baby yeah, I would, and you would grow up again while
and who knows if you would have the same memories, because again, this is something that happens. Jellyfish, which have a very, very different structure. Ok, so
speaking of retaining memories, say
say you like that idea, but you want to retain your memories. Definitely right
Well, you could go the way.
The plenary in or the flatworm. These things are fascinating. You can cut off a piece of a plenary in and it will re grow there
no peace. Both of them will we, but the little peace will become another flatworm any will retain
all of the
the information from the parent from the one.
Pardoning dropped off, and so in this sense you could have mortality in that you could make infinite copies of yourself
at least for starting from one state
and
forever that way, you really want it, so you could cut you.
Often half and then two of you could
continue and then just keep cutting yeah. Well, you had a weird form of cloning. Yeah
which is aware following immortality. Multiplicity, jokes could go in here right to us if you have an eye, but that is not the end of it. The true frightening fact
about physical immortality is that there is a human being.
Who has achieved immortality with an asterisk and one of the crap highest
most cruel and unfair
situations and medical history really that her
Ms Henrietta LAX, and we did a full episode on her and I urge you to check it out so fascinating and pretty horrifying
so the Henrietta lacks had cancer.
Her cancer was discovered with,
her knowledge,
treating physicians took some of these
cancer cells and-
Henrietta lacks the here
being Henriette allows passed away her care
yourselves now known as he like. Cancer cells continue today. There are still alive
they don't seem to behave
the way,
human cells should, of course, because they are cancer cells. I like
in a very strange way. This is sort of immortality, and not only is this a, but if we look at the philosophical ideas of the this is a legacy because the
of these cells has revolutionised modern medicine. Of course, her estate,
and her survivors were
screw. There's no other way to put it
violation of medical ethics every month
me in some ways of the gross violations of that they stand by the Japanese.
And the Nazis, and admittedly,
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I, let's see- let's say one of my kidneys is failing, took it.
And I need to get another one because you
one is doing so well either. Ok and you won't to give me your kidney tar and that their trades,
it goes swimmingly. Everything seems to be running pretty well. You're doing all right with you one kidney, but then you try
Please get intervene in a car accident Yang you die here.
Your organs still exists inside me, along with yourselves, that are being reproduced, so
am. I still in some way alive. I dont know
what do you think.
I would say
it's not a brain transplants are not. However. However, we do know that this week the concept of organ transplants has caused a huge.
Brewer in a lot of religious circles, because there is,
A string of no the eye
entity of some. One arm
especially for people who have strict laws
what is
kosher or what is how you know. Why can what is unclean to report
body if it could someone from a different religion have that interest
now, as far as I know, those
rulings, the religious council rulings on those sorts of things very widely, not just across religions by within arm.
Within the nominations are facets of those religions,
We know that that would
necessarily be immortality. So much as extending a
but your life span, yeah
there too, the hen real and relaxing where it's the cells. But it is not you right, yeah, very good point and of course,
none of these methods we just described Jellyfish Clarion Henrietta- lacks even organ transplants. None of these are the ideal version
immortality because most people, when we think about living forever, we picked
something kind of along the lines of the worrying gray in door
gray eyes. Most people would call is a
story by Oscar Wilde about this guy, who is just a total dig he's a jerk, is a douche bag.
But he never ages.
Never has ease, never out of shape. He never ass. The misbehave because
as he has a magic pay.
In his attic and this painting registers,
images of time,
and also the ear, the inner
evil of his personality, as he does increasingly depraved in and bad things, but most people picture this sort.
In the prime of life on aging forever till yeah. That's the that's the dream. I guess that's the ideal version
the mortality to be young forever men just to do
all the things you ve ever wanted to do ran.
Ass. You do with not necessarily it.
It was even your body alive forever, but
Mostly, it has to do with keeping your conscious mind alive to be aware
ever more something yeah, that's a big part of the two, because I, as as will see
Mental immortality might not just be
more desirable, but also more plausible
in our lifetimes mental
immortality is becoming increasing
plausible every single year, we're already-
So far ahead of what we were doing in two thousand twelve, two thousand wine, I just just by virtue of
ongoing research. But there are different types of mental immortality that at all
a little closely related, but wait what's the first. One
So the essentially a virtual impression of someone like I've, their personality,
So it's kind of like a really.
A high definition, high fidelity recording of you that is
you it's just the way you might act that kind of exists in a cloud or in the clouds
as bits of data somewhere.
How you would react to certain things. What you like we're preferences
The way you respond to questions and comments in its egos, basically just debts, I asked bits of data that is
impersonation, viewed, sort of curated, now sure and one
They questions is how that would react to
four or new circumstances. So, for instance, if we took the eye
the idea of Thomas Jefferson, just just our example,
took Thomas Jefferson, some are trapped,
through time, downloaded
Spraying made a virtual copy of it and wrong
to this world now.
You're, so many concepts that the real time
the Jefferson would be unaware of so after
having these explained
They say I the question in it.
Would they say I be capable of learning interest?
that's your new information from right online and, if so, how would it apply? Because
one thing that a lot of us fail to realise about
your action with
learning, o with any new information, is
It is a two way street. You know it
you can change your external environment, but it also changes you like the old Cameron.
Saying
their long enough in the abbess needs in every are only stash back. If you usually followed by someone saying such wonderful things to show you have. So
there's another type, which is a little bit different, but
it's. It's very similar nazi idea of a distributed network intelligence
what this would be instead of a down,
holding of your brain distribution.
Compilation of all your recorded activity. So, if you're on Facebook, your facebook, you instagram your online comments, jeep
as tracking your tax conversationally. Rarely any video you ve ever been on this
compiling programme there
mine, your recorded actions, activities and media to excess
I believe you are likely responses
present day things. So, what's up
going about that is that data mining is at the point where
is able to predict human activity with arm.
I don't wanna say with science fiction level, accuracy, boy
accurate enough that the concept seems doable. So I could have
she's out there's also this one's really interesting
me the idea of a snapshot of fourth dimensional snapshot of you
where's basely, recording of your personality that you created during past events in your life. I go
and little wedding were just a major event in your life. Ok, but that the you take that and then let it exists in a virtual
old, a very a very real virtual.
At least for this version of you and then
you could interact with that version of you in the present tense. Oh we're like a holodeck
thickly yeah. I can see the science fiction version of that short story already. You know where it starts out with it starts out with you
No? On the day of your wedding and you're thinking about life in everything else in and take a break to go,
get a drink or get some fresh air or something, and then a you
The future appears and talk to you about stuff,
do you realize that you are a copy of herself on that day, just
it's in your wedding, over and over and over and over a weird
the clock, ticks
every time. It is, though, your back in the beginning.
You for your very own idea here. Sodality that will become
They are an isolated intelligence about an interesting idea of taking using the current technology virtual worlds
in creating stand alone, images snapshots of your life, that's a fence,
six point. I think it's great sag into talking about where
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about where we as a species or now with the fight against death, where
race for immortality. If you wanna be glass, half full about an so so one of the ways is so
made up of dna.
Yourselves cells in your body? Have this information that gets replica
replicating tells yourselves how to grow, what to do and if we can find a way to tweak
that dna in some way to tell it to stop
doing certain things were to never stop doing other things. Then we ve that might hold a key right. Yet if we could convince our deal
may not to have this in switch, then the dna
could continue to rap
and ourselves could continue to divide, of course,
we know that
out of control. Cell division is one of these
more dangerous afflictions, our time as is often linked to cancer, so
we would have to figure out a way to prevent the aging clock to turn it off with
now also turning off safeguards because
one thing we know is that need
is utilitarian and brutal and D.
Only reason the death exist is because
as nature till Tyrian and brutal. I know it sounds like a bit of technology boy. There is clearly a huge part of the human
existence which depends, upon other
and being Sty a huge part of the existence of life on earth.
Depends on most things dying, oh yeah, there
If the cycle you you you
You heard this all your life, probably a when you interrupt any system cycles
are you in any way just a tiny make a tiny little change in just destroying entire ecosystem. You'll kill animals. If you kill this tiny little piece of the food chain, you know yet
and this goes into some great- what, if civil, exploring a second budget first boiler, why
for example, would be the idea that
Human beings are much closer to
how many of life forms an empire of discreet life,
existing symbiosis than we are to watch one union line, so we know that your large intestine, for instance, is filled with billions.
Of tiny organisms that just live inside you which, by the way responsible for your flagellations that bacteria farting and not to point them
to your friends that, yes, that bacteria can just breathing in a way we're just us all. Very nice and that
Now bacteria depends upon.
Congestion of food or differ
gradients chemicals undigested things that in
your intestine. So if you don't
depending upon the way you're immortality works, if you don't eat, then those things die and if you have
altered your own genes. Then it's very very difficult. If even pass
to tell how,
was genetic alterations will affect not
the bacteria inside you for the world.
Aren't you what, if you have kids, what happened
then you know what I mean they're for every one.
Change there are sound.
Of unpredictable things that sort of rebel away
That decision in kind of you know shake.
Spider web yeah. What you are
and maybe break it? I don't know so, then we also have. We also has an interesting research.
Aging disease, so
we know that there are some people who have genetic.
Disorders the that cause them to age much more rapidly than the average person right. Louis perjury operator
and then we have another, can do
which is
only if not more so rare believe it's more rare or its less common.
Then, Bulgaria and that's disease, where the body itself does not seem
to age. You can find some heartbreaking
news stories about children,
eight years old, but still I infantry
in their in their development and asked
logic is, that is scientists believe that
many of these conditions, these two extremes
variation for aging May,
need us to an understanding about away
the human lifespan, which is already the cyber here
People are already living much longer than we are supposed to oh yeah. We
Don't have to deal with a lot of things that humans at one point in our evolution, had to deal with a lot of the dangers and threats for now.
For now, when we have new ones, different kinds
like you, we worry about the super bug. Yeah right. I don't want to think about that and you will. We do need to cover that in the future. Very soon that is true. We do yet, but
another there's a whole other thing about where we are now, that is probably the
exciting definitely the most applicable. Yes, the most promising. I think that's artificial intelligence and the way it's been evolving literally.
In a manner play any game
any video game. Nowadays, that's the new cutting edge video game, and you can just
in an that's, obviously, not the only example, video games, but it's one of the applications currently for
The reason that you wanted a I that's very advanced and men, the characters
can make decisions based on you know what time of day it is and they have like if you place, for instance, Cairum.
Their characters are designed to do certain things during certain parts of the day because of the the system of nine day that set up inside the game, I mean just
think about how in saying that is all
and that's just
tiny little example of where I is going, sure, there's still there
crunching variables. Oh yeah, the absolutely now, but just if you look at it from where,
once was why had to programme every little thing now you can essentially give it some
amateurs and on the rest of the programming you ve, created in this world, this virtual world ten, it just runs yet and what's going to happen when a programme develops with enough with enough complexity as such that we can program.
In terms of concepts rather low in terms of motions, you know or or zero
the ones. I me I'm sure, that's what it all goes back to. Unless we talk about
superposition of zero, someone's cloth and computing,
which case that gets is to really
what is the matter that we can explore, but
thing my eye, we should say we're talking about artificial intelligence. In this way, we
No, we are
painfully aware of how often this
of his pain it through a rose,
they classes, were pop science and with TED talks and people like Ray Kurzweil, who I do respect
say things that sound
will that glossy high level versions of the truth and the truth
of the matter, is that often, when
who will scientists, make a little bit of progress or even even something small, as learning to ask a question in a different, more productive way, journalists,
jump on it
and say saying
imply that immortality has happened already and Mozilla guys
you're just we're having a discussion that come on yeah? You don't have reported
exactly and work.
I think we were learning is that there is a race for I am, and I out
definition of what comes
as is artificial intelligence, may change
we still don't have a very good definition of what intelligence is inhuman.
Were animals right and so
One of the big examples of this that always gets trotted out is the turing test and job
to return to
see whether or not you are human right, that's the idea or how close
right, yes, entering famous mathematician and here
of World WAR. Two had this test
named after him in the eye.
Is that if you
were to sit at a table.
I buy a curtain, someone else's seen another table and you guys
questions to each other answered. Each other's questions are probably types
or tight wrote them some light, and we are exactly. Thank you. That's the point.
The question that
turing test. To try to answer is whether or not you could identify
which person
we're talking to his human of which was a machine machine intelligence,
bring test. Also
into this strangely thought.
Ethical dilemma of you know: if you cat determine its human or a robot,
and that means that the robot itself must be intelligent. Were
past the turing test here, released it the equivalent of intelligence to the person whose answering or taken the test at Sir, how man it's pretty interesting,
yeah you ve heard of clever by right. Oh, I going clever by every probably once a month, yet to see how it's been changing when clever by came
that night, I used to have conversations with it in the Office
because course clever
I'll say wildly inappropriate: oh yes, everything
You can tell a lot because it's just taken things. Other people are said to it right. Yes,
you can learn a lot about clever bought because it continually accuses
but being a robot, oh yeah,
getting and philosophical discussions there and I'll just keep grilling clever, bought. If clever bottle want to change the subject. May we get up
This is an important the I love how he says. That sounds like something a robot would say, because clever bodies continually giving you deterring tat. Oh yeah,
Well, that's interesting issues, it
Was that we all,
increasingly arriving at a point where the ability to
since then. I always think about when I'm writing. Something is what happens when what happens when an internet search broke
the questions that I always think about. When I'm writing, something is what happens when
What happens when an internet search programme ask its user? Why it's looking for something rather than what it's looking for? That's a scary thought
here. It is it'll happen, though I hope on deck, it's just what is exactly so the bay
thing is what happens when we achieve or if we find a way to achieve immortality, and you can do it. You just have to talk to the right. People can probably gonna cost a boat load of money as like that self,
episode with MAGIC Johnson Hell, yes, and it turns out that AIDS is solved by money yeah as cheered by money. It'll, be like that at least for a little while and with a little, while, probably a lot
centuries yeah, but
What what what happens you, because
Only a certain number of people will
the able to get access to it. Just because of how amazing this new technology- and I have a feeling it will be- or it will definitely be a technology
not as medical or no more of a tech minority that you have to be seen, but it will definitely cost you your hair
I'll, be person. Okay, so that's cool ideas.
If immortality is unequally distributed, will be
situation where the halves have him
reality, and
the rest of the world, is left to grow
live and die, because a few poor people sure
I mean you just have to look at the current medical situation: healthcare situation on this planet,
in how how its distributed, even in this country, you think about access to medical care. That's true
between, if you're a twenty year old, who has really
medical care and you break your arm in horrific way egg, as opposed
Someone who doesn't have any medical care bracer arm is the level of carers, so disproportionate right.
Yeah and the United States has its own special case of the problems presented there. What those things
can occur even in countries that have legitimate first world healthcare
Well, you know the United States does not the
one of the other things that happens here, which I think is really interesting is eve. Somebody came
with a technology will see gene therapy that could provide.
Mortality anyway,
the patent office with it there
This very interesting law that you and
didn't know about for a long time which surprised both of us. I think what we learned it and it's this there.
Really are secret patents there so secret that if you, if you
can invention that
the threatened national security or upset the echo,
The status quo passed a certain threshold. Then the
a patent office, can put a gag
on your patent and a gag order on you automatic
the way to contested,
for a certain amount of time you or not,
then allowed to talk about what happened surfing
some people say: hey man, why
and to that what we have
into that new car, you built that just,
he's on air pollutants area
I honestly don't know: you're tired, Melvin, yet kind alike,
The only reason we know about this is because some info
journalists found a way to.
The number of these sorts of classifications,
come out, and there are more than you think and your course itself.
As for your trial, is apt.
Really true
these cases
knowing what has been suppressed, we do know
The technologies that suppressed were probably things that were
Eddie being worked on in a government lab somewhere and a lot of
we're probably conceptual so like a method of a method of figuring out. A certain path
or a method of organizing data or a method of transporting things,
He always its highly unlikely that someone cooked up
fusion power, cold fusion, try depend in gas smack down. It's possible.
But that's what happens when there is no transparency, but I have a feeling of someone comes up with a key to immortal like this tries to patent, so they can. You see you can obviously get make the gains on this new thing, this new technology and they get slacks with a patent
like that, have the feeling they could find a way to get it out. Just when the internet, then
for me, I mean were not necessarily, they would want to lose all their money that would come from mad in the prestige light they could. I think there would be a way. I think that that might I think-
might stand for most situations in our this kind of patent thing, gag orders replaced well. Yet if the current state of the internet holds that's a whole different
bag of badgers eyes exactly what I'm thinking
Another thing that is fascinating,
to examine only only talk about the sort of stuff, is whether
immortality.
Naturally be a threat to national security and the answers unequivocally. Yes, oh yeah,
if we define national security
increasingly loose definition of the term as it used in the modern era. Nash.
Security also means economic stability. So
if we had immortality, people did not have to worry about
depends, I kind of immortality you happen to people didn't have to worry about death, and you
Let's see you didn't age, past middle age or something
Numerous industries would collapse, oh yeah and dumb. If people do
have to feed them.
I'll see you if we, if we didn't have the necessity, is that we need now there
on the way,
as we know it economically, would be irrelevant
and you just have to do some hard changes right pretty quickly, and I don't think I don't know
that kind of immortality is within people's grass.
Least in our lifetimes unless we intervene immortal and then here's here's, the
one of the other ideas for first,
Collins, oh I'll, say that we get you another one by
So we talk about what, if immortality widespread, brings disastrous consequences, overpopulation fanning violence, religious clashes
you? Is it a sin to live forever? Who that's a very good question right? Is it
Is it inhumane to live forever?
but I think about when we unequal distribution of immortality is the ideal
of Jonah, sulking, polio and
The idea of past realisation the idea of a small pox faxing which, for the record, existed
african continent for centuries beforehand and YE
got pretend discovered by the west by her mother conversation. I love it when those little com
nations bite off the hands of these part, Caspian yet ended the point.
I make no talking too much here, but the point.
Making is that if you
who are listening were ever in a position where you can make money off
They like immortality or you can,
make the world a better place. I hope that you will choose to make the world a better place for you
yeah. Of course, it's very easy to say yeah and obviously there is a huge there are huge pros and cons about
the human brain is obviously not equipped to live forever. Currently now,
I hate to imagine a world where we have billions and billions of people.
Over ten thousand years old and all of them have become vegetables.
Just the inability to retain information now so without being said,
we are now at one of my favorite parts of the Pike Ass, where I
I ask you what you think the future death it's. What are you? What do you think about all this? As I said at the very top of his podcast,
like pretty much every human most humans don't want to die and,
I understand how beautiful it can be to exist in a virtual world, at least to exist there ill through a game.
Or even through movies. Now, and I really want that to be my future somehow and I think we're getting
point whereby the time I'm hopefully I will be there
by the time, I'm eighty- the age
From Asia my grandfather when he passed, I really think that somehow
Pardon me will live on virtually somehow you know, even if it's just the river
we'll copy the words not really mean anyway, I'm not conscious of it, but I my entity will exist in the future.
For my grandchildren? I think so they can pull me often have a conversation with me.
In the end- have that Thomas Jefferson thing happen where they ask you about stuff yeah. They tell me about the newest below cost
came back in twenty, fifty one
they get. This new machines can be incredible.
All about it, I'll be I'm river, one say you went down ass, crazy,
You say we drive cars. Our South Africa is a crazy virtual grandfather. Teleportation was not a viable technology that does make sense,
I like the idea, there's one other-
that you- and I were talking about off air, which I guess we'll be might take on the future death in its. We always hear the disturbing version of immortality as the very wealthier they connect it. Or you know decay
in aristocrats have been able to
jump in the line of billions of people who do deserve to live longer, make them
the better place and that they are the only ones, have been more their jerks
which I don't think will be completely true, but there's another do so
impossibility and it is found within the realm of
will so we
increasingly approaching the end of privacy as a concept right
especially in the west, and when it becomes
possible to compare
while all of a person's online activity recorded activity like this distributed intelligence network, we talked about earlier, then it it just might happen that all people
are required to have some sort of virtual representation of themselves, whether another physical body is alive well, which
I know this space age probably won't happen, but to me,
just as disturbing as a very
Very strange and hellish proposition that you can't die, even if you want to even if
You actually die right MA.
Blow a mine ban,
in my mind, man
Sorry just makes me think of
tricks within matrix is where you have to get legal.
Mutual legal represent representation in the virtual world. Within that virtual represented
He has to get its only.
Representation virtual world that runs inside Thou world. We have to go deeper right area like reality, is a series of mature shit all for the Roma,
is: how do we go the opposite direction? How do we find out about.
The hour or non virtual copies that we are virtual copies yeah. That's a good question. I'm sorry! You blew my my I feel like, and I thank him
looking at two mirrors facing each other mean I'm trip out. Well,
that's our show. I like I could talk about immortality forever, probably something else that we should do. Instead right yeah, we got work to do but
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