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gabe yes, but we're gonna all out some of the most thought provoking stuff that you have been sending us over the past couple of months and before we get started, we want to put it out there. If you want to send us a message, its super simple dial, that's one, eight three, three: t d, w whitey, gay literally that easy. Then the tea in the deal w and the wind, the tea in the k, correspond alphanumeric characters on your phone. Keep abbot. You can figure that out right. Oh yes, and let us begin with the siting in the skies above the atlanta metro area, lad, by this. I live in the atlanta metro area. Well, this it comes to us from brett watcher of the skies. I've been met. No, this is wreck watching her of the skies

I was just a leaving you a a voice mail to let you know that I have sent you some photos of a you, a fee that I took I thought I had sent them to you in early may, along with a little lever of explanation, but I thought now today that it wasn't sec, so were hoping you get the letter and the uh photos. I think they're quite a remarkable and ah it actually got picked up and published and move on in their may magazine. That was the top or first on page six, and my name again is breck watcher of the skies. Thank you well, brad can I say I really hope that you got your nickname from the incredible genesis on from the good days of genesis when Peter Gabriel was

One person on the album foxtrot is an amazing meaning drag watcher of the skies. That's like Prague. In crimson meets like too last sunday. It's not. The genesis of film Collins fame that many might be familiar with them, if you're into that kind of music sort of like science fiction. Fairy music. That sounds like it could be like a d and e campaign check out foxtrot by genocide just sounds a lot of fun, but I will take the drummer singer any day. The week now he's great. fills got his thing but you're, Gabriel era. It actually because philcox I guess, from singing back of resettling with peter sort of learn to sing exactly like Peter Gabriel, which have always found a little sus also weird. If the earth digesting that's for sure. scam, memories of being on the beach and listening to for some reason, the song cape dance can't targets.

that's it. That's that's not my favorite girls get or whether there is any crime video for a sign from that era that leg with those weird rubbery puppets that were kind of a thing like in the ladys would like yours. Ronald reagan and, like george bush, and all these really A card, gonna Jim density by puppets thing, is called land of confusion. Check that out it's a real, real relic. Nice also check this out. Brett really did all of these things he was hanging out on march, twenty seventh, twenty twenty three northwest. of atlanta and a low suburb area over. They are actually really cool supper. I guess we can. they brought in marietta and he's a little ships there, among others, its industry and the theatre. That's that's how I assure when he's up in the sky, he had his iphone fourteen, and

He was waiting on the. I guess. It's the alignment of planets. There was happening that night. He was just beginning side as we want to take some pictures and let's wait a bit from the email that he sent to us. He says It was a beautiful, clear night and I noticed some cool jet trails illuminated by the moon. I decided to take a few photos. It took a lot over a minute to take them. The pictures came awesome. I thought now showed him to my wife. She likes them and asked what the object in one of the photographs was as we look through the set of about seven pictures. We noticed objects in five of the pictures along the jet trail. When I was taking the pictures, I didn't these objects at all, but looking carefully at the rose. I said wow. I had captured three different, you a peace or I'm old school. You f o I called my brother in law and email in the images I'd captured. He is

an aeronautical engineer and a highly experience photographer. We both decided that we had to report the siting he said to reported to move now Matt. What's the acronym move on stan? Forget I know it's like the pre eminent you fo, you ufology society, I have always said the mutual ufo network I dont know if the euro is actually spelled out in their name, though there? going on. I went to their website and filled out all the envy of my citing and uploaded the photos to them. The next day a move on fields as to your email me to get more information about my citing over the next few years is he made a thorough investigation of my photos? He also checked with the f a dobbins air force base, which is very close to my house. The weather can genes and the astronomical conditions making sure that no satellites were in the area of sky, where my photographs were taken. Isn't that cool? Isn't it? because you can go outside just like brett watch, skies did take some photographs, cease

thing that you don't understand send em to this autumn they called move on and they will involve, instigate it for you makes me so happy that makes me so so happy again, you might be hearing my son of the background. he's hang out reading the gravity falls journal three book and have an eight year avenue the time. Writer. Ok, after your and our gravity falls like vaguely conspiratorial right. Isn't that sort of its highly concerned I have. I have even see the of it, but I hear good things. I know I mentioned every time we get someone reporting one of these things, but a year ago, and I was doing with a band. I had like this many deed the camera that I bought till document. We have the tour and stuff, and I was laying out the window of the tour van that we were in over a cornfield in nebraska, and I saw this weird like hexagonal thing

covering in the distance, and you know it's really flat in that part of the country and hard to kind of gauge distant sooner, I have this tape somewhere. I think it might be lost time, because I have looked everywhere through several moves. I had a big bag of all my many deviating from those days which sucks, but who knows is gonna a thing that could pop up some time, but I am convinced that it was something unusual because I can't do this day place when it might have been Well, if only you'd scented it into move on. Nor will I didn't know that move on this. There wasn't even the internet I'm kidding there was the intern. this is a so called because bread did send us the move on Oh, where his story has featured on page six with his photographs and where there's a nice little right up in their its super cool. We would I would recommend checking out they may twenty twenty three move on journal and you can find it for yourself marietta is mentioned in the story and you will see a photograph of the moon, a con trail and

weird lights along that contracts. Can you describe it to us a little bit? Not since this is a audio pot gas and I have not chance to look at the images and, oh, absolutely, ok, so we ve got kind of in the center of the photograph- Moon that almost has a diamond shape to the way the lending the waves occurring. You ve got a couple com. Rules that are going diagonally from the kind of the top left. The upper left pushing down to the right, lower portion and if you see all through several of the photographs along. The lower com trail thereon, a series of objects that appear to be three bright lights that are close together. In one of the photographs there clearly threem bright lights that are there in a couple of them, once there almost like three bright streaks that are alone the same. I guess you could say horizontal line going across the sky, so they look like they could almost be judged

following along that same path that the aircraft it left. Contrails following, but they are not an according to that move on report. They don't match with aircraft there were flying across? You know from dobbins airforce or anything like that, so it is hello, it's pretty weird, pretty dang weird, I think so all the leg were in an air. I now where there is some confirmation to these kinds of stories latest to some degree. Obviously there not telling us everything, but the degree to which the government has had to respond or acknowledge some of this stuff, and the level of expertise of folks that are coming out and confirming these types of sightings. I think it's such vindication for people that have been like you know cast as as cranks are crackpots for so many years I think that just super cool is just another example of how everything,

Entirely a garbage fire right now there are some positive change. Is this? If weighed against some pretty awful well yeah, so I hate shut out to fred koehler. Who is the move? on the person who did the investigation, their shut out to bread and huge shut out to breadth, daughter, two apparently turned him on to stuff. They don't want you to know and he's been listening now for like five years because of his daughter. So thank you very, very much the kids love stuff. They don't want you to know we're basically a children's podcast yeah- definitely definitely oh, and by where did speak to bread for awhile bread Of course in human, be his hat ro voicemail steward. I love that people are always so thrilled to hear from you, but I didn't get to talk to every buddy. But you know eight keep your foot

near you. If you did leave us a voicemail, because one of us will try and get in touch with you at some point. The next person who left us a voice mail is Alan cans. Buddy always closed, bitten, play by Michael Sarah in the in the delightful barbie movie, which I very much enjoyed, have you seen it yet I have not seen a year, but I too, like me, some Michael sera, that guy can't around. I realize Alan's a real real fan, favorite also here we go here. Is Alan My name is Alan. I was sent here, strangeness episode, I block in the sky and ass. It was no dimension that our water made a giant umbrella for the earth to block out the sign in and how it was, rise to hear you laughing about it, because that's that's the cheap is the easiest way to do it, because in outer space you you can build. A giant umbrella is not terribly difficult and you can just build it out a moment

the foil or styrofoam, or what have you and it'll it'll stay there. I think the last time I did I was back of the envelope deregulation and how much it would cost to build a giant, aluminum foiled umbrella to decrease the worrying. I think it was something The entire united states militaries budget on viagra, eighteen billion dollar which is about one and a half gerald r ford aircraft carriers? So yeah, that's just my two cents on the subject, alright. Well of all, what kind of envelopes are you doing? Calculation to give these figures? That must be a male Are you one of those big bubble? Mailers and you must have very tiny. This is very impressive. I do think it can upham episode that that was a thing. If I'm not mistaken, or maybe we turn out well No as Alan described as as we were talking about it, it felt like

I think, to me personally, you brought it up and it felt like such a preposterous like the idea of just building something or block the sun, like that in my head, it just because it would only. We blocking the sun from the heat and uniform warming. The planning are blocking the sun for photo This is an all these other things that, in my mind, would be a terrible idea, but I kind of polluted I'm sorry about that. I apologize by do I mean, even if you use an umbrella you're, not blocking the entirety of this leg. You can have plants in shade that again, like indirect sunlight or whatever, like I've been trying to. My best did not me a plant murder anymore and unfortunately, my house doesn't get a tunnel erect sunlight. I've had to be very strategic, which, with where I put things in realising more not when my plants dies because they're not getting direct sunlight,

in the event of this umbrella. All those plants at my house are definitely going to die already, not getting enough, so I would just like regular indirect sunlight, so this would cost problem, but it wouldn't like kill photosynthesis entirely. You'd have to be very strategic about where you placed it, it does make me think of those reflectors people put in their very like dark colored cars in those sure. As hell work, I mean they really really do. We know that these kinds of things do reflects light. reflect anyhow now to my back in the napkin calculate you'd have to make it out of something, this more of a filter and less of a full on reflector, which assuming would be way more expensive. I guess, depending on the material and couldn't, if you reflected it fully, couldn't that cause problems elsewhere in space

maybe that's a silly thing to think, but that energy is going somewhere and, like you know, couldn't wouldn't travel and potentially cause issues. I don't know it's a it's a specific here's. Another question: for the more scientific reminded out there who know stuff about this, if you had, is something like a giant reflective or filtering umbrella in space between the earth? the sun. If there was a coronal mass ejection or something like that. A huge solar flare that was sending charged particles towards the earth. Could you deflect that energy or would it just travel right through that stuff it. Isn't the ozone layer, essentially a filter, legates filtering out certain bad things that are in you know the solar rays, come in the problem that we're having is because of the depletion. The ozone layer, so it's no longer

acting as efficiently as it once did, I mean how cool is that like speeding? I get out goldilocks type situations like that. Our planet not only came with All of the I guess conditions to promote life, but us was wrapped in this, like thin. Candy show that, like prevent says from getting fried by the sun that also supplies is power and leg, another aspect of life and in growth on earth nice works science or, I guess, try a new roofs yeah whatever that thing is this is this is carla that this is call it the goldilocks and the three bears in the sky that's a great song of it hasn't been written already. Somebody out there right it, our aid with that we're going to take a quick break here. From our sponsor and then come back with more of europe boys, males and we ve returned justin

harking back to islands message as we record. It is eighty four degrees fahrenheit in atlanta, which is thirty four point for forgery. Celsius, everyone else out there in phoenix here zone. Are today it's a balmie, your ten degrees, fahrenheit wound in Hell. it was always, I mean we, we we hear stories about like arizona, you know people cooking eggs on the hoods of their car and like plastic product, just melting is outside it's insane. It's like the opposite of that level of cold. You hear about unlike antarctica, where you poor coca cola, like freezes midstream before it hits the the glass I mean it's. Why Have you heard the terms being thrown around lately? Men global boiling as is warming the warming. It was a very

generous kind of like sugar coding that now, as lay a kind of absurd, is this hot is not warm it's hot. it's really hot strangely enough in maui hawaii, where there were just terrible, terrible fire while massive tragedy. It is only eighty three degrees fahrenheit today, which is twenty eight point. Three three celsius honoured. Ten degrees fahrenheit by the way is forty three point. Three three celsius brain on matt but you could do temperatures boy. I know that you do not on the fly area of some sort of calculated that you have. I wrote in the up to now. I was impressed now. I'm still, unrest come on double go on what was it represents africa? Just one person will understand that I am trying to do sous. Ok, here we go next,

Message comes to us from ranger smith out their defending picnic baskets from from what was at the large marge, no hank, the tank that ended up not being a hank it off. Oh yeah, but the bear snatching up picking up grass smarter than the average Here we go ranger smith. Has this to say: my name is ringer sinner and the episode you guys are talking about banned book. I'm kind of surprised that you didn't ten, the national library of Congress delta library, where there is a sense of books where they cannot be allowed to the public due to high pornography. Other certain content and the other thing is banned book wise. There are books

in the national library and I believe the university of michigan libraries are bombed in human flesh that are not available to the public that you might want to consider about about those things has banned books as well killed by red band books. You know it does. trailers that are really how he had not made an old trailers. They read in a warning and begin: that's how you know it's gotta be geared. I'm sorry, bounded. flash like the neck Rinaldo and the evil dead movies. Like are these legs wars they. What are we talking? I guess maybe they could also be from like other cultures, You know perhaps even some nazi staff who knows well, it's some real stuff is called an throw po turmeric, biblioll pitchy, feebly, opera gi. take a dent. Ten tries off off mike sorry about that. I don't know the words very

strange- it's a real thing. You can look up in atlantic article titled. It was once somewhat, common to bind books with human skin human skin coming from that's where I learned about this. For the first time are the human skin is just you know, any all human skin norms. Looking. I don't know I'm a red much about this. I just wanted to confirm that it was an actual thing and it was. It was a type of book binding that occurred It is kind of creepy. If you imagine, you didn't, have any leather from like cow or you know other animals that have a thick hide. Maybe you could use men skin and I guess people did yeah, you know what I was thinking about the other day concerning band stuff or like censorship or whatever you familiar with the council the video nastiness video nasty, What is this I thought tat we may be discussed

at some point. There is this era in the uk in the eighties, where, like there there is. This organisation called the national viewers and listeners association that as essentially kindly what happened like censorship of music. Here in the states, backing down on violent films and the british board of film classification. They were being a bit more strict about what kinds of things could make it into theatrical release but there was a loophole that apparently allowed videos the age, says things that went direct to video to bypass this whole process and that created this whole kind of like culture. Of really horrifically violent kind of de. I why horror that were referred. do as video nasty and there would be these like raids that would play sometimes on video stores are places where you can get the stuff, and since these things where it lay promoted really any had to kind of be in the loop to know what they were a lot of times, the aid

is whoever we're doing the raids would lay confiscate copies of is that had like duty it's titles, but they were completely innocuous like the best little whorehouse in texas, and things like that that were you know, odo is is definitely pornography, but it's not even about pornography per se. It's really more about these kind of, like grisly sort of, like you know, dawn of the dead kind of, like you know, dia, why blood and gets kind of films and doesn't it sing period that a lot of you I don't really think about. Do I yeah. Nor do they give thank you while only it might be something that we we might war one day cause a really, as lay the wikipedia Gold runs deep, my friend it's a it's a big ol, it's not a stump or a stub at all. It's a it's a big beefy, No, you know it also runs deep. The I very of congresses, interest in sexuality in the world at least- around the time of world war. Two isn't that interesting, considering what a prudish country with a historically

that lag behind the scenes. Little dvd they were all. Where does interest comfort? I think that's exactly what as its. It was a way of keeping these things as record, but also protecting the public from them You can read all about the delta collection de L, tee a collection the library of congress has had has maintained, at least until the sixties, and then it kind of changed a little bit. read all about it. There is a really cool prague I found on line called delta collection, dot, eager o m e k a dot net and you can browse some of the items that have historically been kept there as part of a delta collection, very, very interesting things,

by the time. The top title here is weeping club an account of some of these activities of a number of lovely women who have men and Their power says I guess I m tipster verlag bondage ii type culture Well, you also have things like new ism exposed as a whole and scientific anytime, told by an ex nudist the author, an anonymous doctor. I love our that's value. The anonymous doctored is the cherry on Dublin. I love the idea. Being a new test site. You know we're all nudists. certain our I imagine, but I saw an article that came out that today I think, advice that was apparently there's this whole above spain, where, like nudists

Here there is a famous nude beaches and spain are telling tourists who come with their clothes on to get right out of town like if you're, not gonna, be part of our world than don't come trying to dip your toe and our ocean near mats, of these types of collections. I was sorry I keep doing pop culture stuff, that's a sort of my thing. I I've been revisiting and also visited for them, this time. The films over part chan work, who s excellent korean director who did hold boy directed the film old boy, which is a favor and neither did the vengeance trilogy or what was the third awaited sympathy for MR vengeance than lady vengeance and an old boy. He has a film called the hand made in that is its it's easy is really begin to adapt. Thing, like british kind of period novels and making them korean and like to eat

holding it into korean culture, and he doesn't so seamen, It's kind of incredible you'd, never know that it was adapted, but it's sort of almost as all twist type story, where there's like a fagin type character like a den of thieves You know this guy's the leader, and he has this really elaborate drift. the spoil things it has more twist thinner than a pretzel but there is a plot lining involving erotic japanese books, which is a thing, there's a whole culture of lagging ancient erotic book with illustrations that are very graphic and descriptions that are like you know, meant to her to titillate and arouse, and that's a big part of the film, and I did not realise quite how far back and deep that culture ghost the eye and either I'd love that I love all of that now. You should watch the handmaidens its excellent and has one of the most truly tender, and intense same sex erotic, scenes

that I think I've ever seen in the film it's a very, very cool. Empowering me now kind of queer, positive type message, but also a rollicking adventure. With baddies galore an absolutely stunning cinematography bow. I'm just over european excited a red sex control. Curious customs of medieval times no. No, please, please! It's a bit You do in rich ourselves with this debate here we think of the past as being an apparently like prudish, like I was saying about, but that sort of more of a modern gods, drugged or a thing that religion sort of you now created. I guess All of these things just kind of went underground and honestly people in the password

even horny or then we are men and they really, you know, figured out interesting ways to to use the stuff they had to to get get get frisky. Yes, definitely, let's, let's, let's break from the, one. Thank you so much for that message. Ranger Psmith! Let us jump over to frank it. Can I say that this is my favorite nickname in the history of nicknames, I think fit for the show. You know what I think I agree with that code. Name, frank, lloyd, wrong there, the programme in the sustainable building world for the effort to making buildings more green and sustainable, called the lead programme felt l,

e d and while on the surface, it seems like a very good programs to support the sustainable architecture and development of buildings is a little bit of a darker side to it buildings. The last times can get tax cuts or different reinforce. Following these following were guidelines are getting their building and certified and by based on things like whether you have a green roof or solar panels or things like electrical vehicle parking spots and charging stations? But I guess the dark side of it is that a lot of buildings will a kind of cheat the system and get the lead certification, even though they are not any more sustainable than most other buildings. For example, there's a lot of buildings, I'm the last vegas strip stuff, are lit up like christmas trees and found a few ways

efficient than regular buildings, but by doing little things like having a certain number of electrical vehicle spots or just little thing, here and there they can get that leads certification. The kind of interesting that some of these guys are cheating the system a little bit and I'm sure you guys mean if the orb or the or the ball that they're fielding in LAS vegas. I think that you guys might have seen pictures of that looks, kinda, creepy and kind of cool. At the same time, I think we'll probably be one of these buildings as well once again keep up the great work love. The show thanks I like is that the orb, the thing that can project, crazy stuff, like in like a kind of a dome they re going see from like the air My understanding is that it's a venue inside that thing in me exterior of it yeah. You can turn it into a giant eyeball or snow glow. Oh bore, you know a promo for a boxing match. What ever you need it, but is it like

three dimensional, is it like? Actually like a hologram, I saw a thing that some it was. It was definitely faked. It was like somebody be now went to town with siege, I want to admit it, but it was like literally looking like a giant hand or something, but it's not done yet right, like the the these things aren't actually being projected, but I'm trying to understand how close to the crazy over the top version that this person made it. Will it will be what ok, maybe I'm wrong guys, but I thought is called the sphere at the venetian resort and I under oh, it is of any area. Five hundred eighty thousand square feet of programmable ellie de panels. I so there its actual well he's not a hologram adjust its constrained by the search. Area of the thing, but it can like yeah, you can be a giant. I can be in a better catlike shootout, crazy

like blade runner holograms, beyond the bounds of this epcot kind of thing, but wild and so ok, are we Are we to say that we are surprised that people that make their money from building things as quickly and cheaply as possible? try to save money and doing it maybe illegally or her Oh, it's not illegal to loopholes that it's all about, like the law, is sort of irrelevant here. Because it so easy to find these loopholes that it just goes to show how inefficient some of their these certifications are sort of toothless and meaningless because you can offset it in so many other ways well If this gets so murky, some of this stuff, the green suffocation of different things but have not been called green for a long time right? Jake

practices like building practices or building vehicles in how fuel efficient. They are all of these things. It does feeling- over time we ve seen cheaters. Will you know, We will try to see the whole system like that one car, company, the deutsche I won t the volkswagen. Why? Yes, yes, yes, where Policies are box. It's my cheetah feel it a cheat. The system is, do you know, meet minimum requirements in or to do things like being able to continue selling their product or to get certain tax breaks rights. creating an selling your product can be affordable and you can make enough of a profit. The votes and the thing was like totally illegal, and they were they really in achieving the system in a way That was not even leg. Following the loophole rule lay they went above and beyond by installing a thing that was meant to be a secret, but we, I know that even would like carbon offsets and lay the idea of like how do we

you eat up act like were being stewards of the environment while being able to continue to operate business as usual. You know that's the kind of stuff that I think is most galling does I have folks that are like brazenly breaking the rules, but the rules in general are kind of really do in a whole hell of a lot or there's always a way to kind of figure out how to get around it near here. We didn't even see what lead is by the way award stands for it is all caps, l, e e d. It's an acronym stands for leadership in energy and environmental design and says if ever hear everywhere, I've looked, It is a worldwide programme, so Not just in u s not just any know anyone, town, one city, one state or country you can get led certified, pretty much anywhere where you're doing construction, or you know some kind of sing of a building updating of a building amber

our previous office. They had a thing we're in order to get certain certifications. They had to kill the air conditioning in the whole office, basely afterlife for five. locker, whatever at all on the weekends that was specifically to get some kind of. breaker certification and it sucks. We were there. I mean I'm all about saving energy and all of these things, but little stuff like that seems to me to be more saving them on their heating and cooling bill than it is actually do any kind of like big picture in a positive change for the environment, but maybe I'm wrong no no it's every day and then as great as everything like that energy, a fish sea water efficiency. Materials that are being used in creating the project remy, that's that's really some of the main things, but I think what what frankly? wrong is pointing to is that you? Can you the kind of mess up your energy efficiency and it can be pretty pretty crap but

If you put in enough rio as he said, electronic charging ever yo. Station is nothing we can here. Don't don't get any of this over here. Those words like that: it's this concept of carbon offsetting right. ere. I can generate a ton of pollution as a company, but if I pay a bunch of money and offset my car and by you know in in this other stuff or doing these other things. Then my carbon gets cancelled out only it doesn't not really wishes weird, even certain municipalities have leg regulations in place that, at the end of the day or canada inconvenient to like homeowners, you know I add an issue where my water was in the wrong name with his house that I that I bought a year a little over a year ago and my water got cut off and in order to get it cut I had to have they wouldn't just cut back on. They had to send somebody to inspect my fixtures and leg. My toil.

And make sure it was like a low flow toilet. When I bought the house, I saw that the toilets had the little. You know two for poo one for for peanut butter buttons I just thought that was like a cool, modern uptake, but those are like mandate. It here, in italy. At yeah may they had become check nature. Those were installed. and they also like they even to pass us. He had early dinner on the hush hush, but switched out our shower head to one that he had on him, so he could take a picture of it and then I gave up my lucy darcy, the guy, I'm just saying these little things. They don't ultimately amount to a hell of a lot, except for like more red tape and lay you know a pain in the butt for leg, small guys like me, and you were the big companies. For our doing in so many ways. You know it's sad uncle in law once tell me the secret of removing, although what is what was it? The.

water suppression, that's going on in your house on all your faucets he's like you can take it all off you get as much water in your showers. You want man, water pressure, yeah to get crazy water pressure in your shower. It was a. There are apparently tricks to do that, but I want to water, we know and yet again water? We know we talk about this. All the time on the show is probably going to be one of the big bones of content, in like a situation leading to some future. You know mad acts type war ada in terms and light who controls the water resources. That is said they were absolutely need, and we see water disputes all the time between. You know states that share water supplies in that, and, as we know, oh you know. If there is it, I guess this is. Is there more water being made? Is there a finite amount of water? Oh, yes, they can't you can't you

if the size water produced water, the age of the two in the o is not a thing you can do or no, I dunno. Oh yeah, dude we're producing water all over this place with these desalination plants, and now I'm just shook, and it is really expensive. To do that, apparently in difficult, so we ve talked about before in the past. I, why don't we just desalination plants everywhere. Now it's not as easy as that and being a bit of a dumb down? And I'm not I'm not joking like its? Is it all from like the water cycle and leg? You know rain and like things like moving through the ecosystem leg, if, if, in stops happening is water inevitably going to dry up leg? Is it all just based on the balance of like these systems gun? If and when pending on them and the temperature in the global condition, being right then screwed it up kit is isn't gonna, go real, real wrong, yeah, yeah, It's all right. It's all one connected system right and there are ways there's technology, and we

figured out ways to. I guess: get boy pull, or water from the air right through the humidity? If Think about something like a dehumidified. How does that work It pains me airs binding boy, yet was humidity out of the air in it. It turns into liquid water in a reservoir right. So, theoretically you could do that Did say in the instructions for my dehumidified not to drive to drink the water that is produced in the little trough or whatever, but that then it goes back to things like gray, water. You know, or you can use grey water forces things you wouldn't want to drink at her bay, then it, but you can use it to like water plants. Where's like then now look. I don't know that for sure. I would speculate that That warning is more about. The room optical where the water goes and how is just sits there, because, theoretically, that is distilled water and it would be

the sum of the cleanest water. You could have access to right now, because his literally just water pulled directly of the air. If you could find a make sure the receptacle it was always clean there, atwater would be super drinkable in my head. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. That is what that's my understanding of how dehumidifiers work. At the very least, surely there would be a way to purify it or to like filter it or to run it through something in a pinch right and like I always think, of waterworld, where they pee into the thing and they drink. If that's not a real, but it also. I recently had some landscaping work done in my back yard and I installed call arraign garden into these giant, they're called burns and their these sort of like pits where there's a tree. in the middle of it, are these to sort of multi kind of like pits and they're not are ugly, they look nice, but they fill up with water. And there's a rain garden registry, which I am a part of it apparently rain gardens. Put

saying amount of water back into the water table, they would not we just go to run off or like go down storm drains and stuff and become useless. So as we do in my part, ya, wanna drink my humidifier, firewater and and and use moraine garden mats hold me, it was ok to drink, to hone known, as I heard what I heard. If its truly distilled end, it is clean. Ok, let's take another break walker. back with just a few more messages from you ok we're back and this is a message we got from tim- does come with a warning aren't to do this. You know towards the end of an episode, but sometimes we get suggestions from you that are a little tougher than others,

This is a really it's. It's a mess up story. It's horrifying actually end It's worth our time, because it is just robbing it deserves more attention, because a lot of people don't know about it and we're going to talk about it, but just a little warning. The message from TIM dead is gonna say you here we go. like him. I live in Messina group sailing in the great lakes Jeffrey. Wasn't the first person to run an island of underage children by silence in michigan gentlemen name sheldon from the detroit area bought them in turn. Into a child porn video ring. He got busted and got into a trouble.

interesting reading about it. It's even more interesting when you start looking at pictures the aisle today, because they're still sitting there with a bunch of buildings on them, so he built an airstrip. Basically, just shuttle, kids back and forth to silva having sex was pretty dumb anyways. I live in traverse city. A I've always found this case to be kind of interesting, and you guys may have covered it at one point, but pretty up. They also tie him to the child murders at this time. This for missing children, the detroit area and then tied it to somebody else officially, but there was a lot of speculation for a long time made for a good story. Because again I don't do anything I wouldn't do. I know I do not know this.

Ray at all, ok, but sounds like something out of a girl with the dragon. Tattoo type me now crime fiction situation that is insane yeah does unwarlike that this is something we know abandoned. I have had conversations about and I want to say we ve talked about it briefly in the asked, but when I was looking through all of our records, I couldn't find a specific stories. video you know park services. A boy Ms, mentioning here is a place of physical place, called a north fox island that you can I ain't in michigan and theirs so south fox island, just below it. This was a private, when for a time- and it was owned by the person tim mentioned, MR francis duh field- do EF. I yield the shell s, h e l D, an end. There was

Documentary there was made on was an investigation. Discovery. Idee discovery, I think, is what it was called for a while there is a Two part series titled children of the snow. It's no w. You can find that it was produced. gosh. I want to say back in twenty nineteen, maybe it might even even increase twenty eighteen, but it's it's a pretty exe and soon accounting of what this person was doing on that island and a breakdown of the other child murders there there. As TIM said, there were old murders in this an area where this child exe mutation, abuse, her generation machine was functioning run by this and sheldon at least Logically- and I guess you have to say allegedly because the guy ended up escaping

this is why it's a horrifying in messed up unless I missed his went. When is this? What era is this meant to have taken place? This is nineteen seventies. I want to say. Maybe sixties as well. I think it's right around the time of it missing a murdered stuff to really crazy. Ok, let's reed from a local newspaper. There in traverse city. This is trevor city record eagle. You can find this article right now. If check it out. The title is children of the snow uses dna to shed light on cold oakland county case and it was published February nineteenth twenty nineteen. I already sheldon was a land developer, oil consultant market investor and author who never married. He was the sole owner of north fox.

Ireland, the island's now owned by the state of michigan and as part of the beaver island state wildlife, research area, the pedophile ring included well to do business, men, politicians and other rich and powerful man who had taken the island to have sex with them and make films were distributed around the world. As the story goes, Jesus yeah right, a so according to the trevor city record, eagle, sheldon and others were able to attract children through his brother Paul's children's mission, the anus religious organization hm and a supposed nature camp for quote: underprivileged children. There was on the island many people accord The paper here saw Francis Sheldon as a generous benefactor who took you the zone, hunting trips to the island, skiing trips in aspen and beach parties at his family's estate in the caribbean. This is true.

effective season, one man late, so they must have been aware of the story, but all of the aspects they attracting using a benevolent enough forward facing organ asian, oh yeah, and it also sound so familiar to me. That's why it's like we're me out feels like I've taught about this or at we wanted to talk about it, but maybe use too dark for one reason or another at some point- or I don't know, but we need to talk. further, because sky, also set up trust funds for these kids dead. He abused for several of them. At least let's get just to the end of this article here to find out why we should all be really mad search and send an arrest warrant for criminal sexual conduct were issued for sheldon and nineteen. Seventy six, but shell

I had already cleared out his ann arbor home and his cabin on north fox, apparently prompted by the arrest of an associate gerald s richards on criminal sexual conduct. Charges Sheldon fled to the netherlands, which at the time, rarely extradited those wanted for crimes in the united states. He was reported dead in nineteen ninety six, but some think he may have established a new identity and continues to operate. the pedophile he would be eighty or eighty one. Today I mean if there's someone that could arrange these types of things ma it's someone like this and we must go back to the laundry list. Land develop for oil consultant market investor. I mean that I see what you mean about the anger meets all absolutely Region do sing, but the idea that someone could get tipped off potentially by the authority someone who's part of this ring and then just figure.

Atta disappear and set up, job somewhere else. You now According to tim, I talked to him by the way on the phone and According to him, and according that documentary that was produced and from You know a lot of the reporting on this werden we're talking about very well if he powerful individuals, there were taking part in this thing allegedly, and that means, if Got you know, ringleader like person sheldon, who is rich and powerful. Other people. Working with him are rich and powerful. It means you probably would get tipped off and you Maybe I could fly either pride, Lee or secretly to the netherlands and then said they're for twenty years and never have to face consequences in that infuriating and more just makes you want to bring the batman out right a bad man inside all of us were just we're, not billionaires. Unfortunately,

what is this level of just Britain, ability to skirt the law due to power and influence can only ever be matched by a ism. Unfortunately, because systems isn't designed to catch these people. Well you're at a certain level of influence you got people with the system in your pocket. You know, and I mean not to say that everyone in politics are everywhere. You know and law enforcement is some sort of psychotic pedophile. Certainly not the case, but All you need is one or two people that have your back. and then can give you the heads up you know that happens happens all there, happen is there needs to be a network of money right in words, about donations like campaign donations, something like that. They get started at one small level and moves its way up, and now everybody's connected and no power.

a politician that has nothing to do with this wants to be involved with but he who is involved with this stuff, throw campaign donation, which me you can't get somebody on a hook. If you know, let's say your power, person that finds out you just got. You know your campaign supported heavily by someone taking part in something like would you want? Anyone to know probably not made You would help. There were no money, yeah But again, that's all. That's all alleged! That's all theoretical everything You said it just. You could feel that something like that might be true. What last thing you want to say about this norm, there's a huge f b. I vault entry for this. I that vault dot, f b, I dot gov. It talks about Francis Sheldon and is just all kinds of entails: They ve got on this person conversations with people bout him some. It would appear

to be some spying. There was done on this guy, just lots of information gathering, there's a can, action to someone that wrapped up in a research for that ab scam episode? named Adam Aristotle, star child, a Malcolm mokanna. He and this this is very weird nor its a weird connection, and it makes me feel like this ring- is not just isolated there too, the greatly to the detroit area and you to traverse city Michigan, I mean I would Imagine that things of this you figured out how to make it work to this degree? Why wouldn't there be people from internet the people involved. You know what I mean like it's like. This is the the you're in the catbird seat. If you're a frickin,

Pedophile this as they were, you wanna, be you know. This is the kind of stuff that Epstein was an was involved in this is worse and worse. Its m is ever gets worse. Isn't this is idle? I don't know it's hard, it's hard to say his heart. He in my mind it's worse because its kids, its film it's sold their other people around the world there were watching the stuff in there were still cold. There's basically in this ring this horrifying evil thing, but let's go let's just Let's stay here with his abigail connection, because I found this fascinating. I stumbled on this through Wikipedia tree for Adam star child. This guy of Malcolm mokanna, hey, in in re directly from this court. In nineteen. Seventy seven, the Travers city record, eagle the we just read from that same local paper report

that this guy star child was involved in a number of supposed charitable organizations funded by a wealthy michigan der francis duh sheldon. Here those things the church of the new revelation of kearny there New jersey, brother, Paul's, chill transmission on nor fox island. That's when we just mentioned the education foundation for youth of illinois and the ocean living institute of new jersey the last allegedly devoted to underwater habitats, agriculture, ocean architecture and ocean law, which were said to be taxed, dodges and fronts. First actual activity involving boys. So that's new jersey and in illinois, again, it looks, though it sounds as though again, if you were going wikipedia article here that's no based off of right

from the trevor city record eagle, but it seems as though the operation was huge, certainly does Matt please tell me, you got something a little lighter to wrap this important one hundred per cent. This stuff is absolutely critical to understand that this kind of evil exists in the world, but would love a little palate cleanser after that one. Thank you so much to the listener that the road yeah, you know you're right. Thank you turn your you're, absolutely right. No, we do have a political answer. We ve had a mess cheer from zack to end episode, we love messages like all. These the we listen to you today, thanks, so much. Everybody sentiment in particular lately messages I don't remember: play from Zack have been extremely high for for us to come up with new ideas for like what work are weak for what's interesting once you know. What's in your neck of the woods, were what should we be thinking about, so here

a tim as well. We need to be talking about this, we're going to talk about it, but here's acts message to jack I'm originally from alaska, and I wonder if you guys have any idea just how many wild are myths, legends and other weird stories there are a. There is a local legend in anchorage alaska, peter universally called the windy, william from other torreon behest. Wild go scores. I remember monster. We have our own go where people get lost, disappeared, cetera and are quite a few. Rather you let your settings native alaskan also have legend of heavy man that bring really bad luck along with, I think, it'd be agreed at the. I hope you guys do awesome and I want you back at lunch.

who knows and regional lore. It's me really knew. What is its? just light hearted enough to know to be finds a little gostar thing we can handle that they, If you want to travel to alaska, though one spends in time, ma. Am super producer, Paul mission control deck and spend some time in alaska. for the missing series, wonder if those fellows heard anything about this stuff and they were probably sland in cast audio, but not I've. Never it makes sense being such a usual please see now that the way it stays light out like all the time it is certain other worldly qualities about alaska for sure so It's not exactly a lot going on, so it makes sense that there would be no stories that would develop over time through, like the Earl tradition

yeah. Why would I go in Paul? You won't have to rent a boat this time I think that was the biggest headache, at least for my discussions with which he had been but yeah. We gonna do that check out. Alaska is lore. We wanted we wanted more travel. So if we ve got an excuse to go some as a show, we're gonna take it. Why not give us some cool excuses for us to give our boss or like reasons to travel, it would be awesome was yeah. You can find us. You know where you. find us on the internet. We exist at the handle concern or stuff on facebook and the social media platforms, formerly known as twitter. and you too gets conspiracy. Stuff were conspiracy, stuff show on instagram and tiktok. Yes, if you want to call us like everybody in today's episode, did call one eight three three std W. Why t k it's a voice? Mail system comes likely to us, but you won't get to talk to us

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