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Remember you don't have to eat the turkey. If you don't want to don't let people make you feel obligated, but there's there's some good in every interaction virtually. So what we wanted to talk about today is to ring in collectively surviving to another thanksgiving sharing some of the messages from your fellow conspiracy, realists we're going to talk about the history of the. U s, addiction, to cars- and I do say that is huge fan of all things, automotive, we're going to have some fascinating thought, experiments, courtesy of the driver and we're gonna kick off with her Great question. We always talk about the phenomenon of fingers on a hand, meaning that if you see two fingers and the high. It is out of frame. They look like separate things if you zoom out

can see they are connected and We get a great piece of correspondence, pretty recently, gordian a similar examples of this phenomenon. allegation thereof. We should send em. Let's not must not forget that. The middle finger is also part of the hand set disputing that after this comes to us from cynical syndicate and a great nickname, carry the whole thing. the scrape commie cynical syndicate feel free to read me on air. There big companies out there today that have near monopolies in their space, Google, with online search amazon online shopping? In fact, the? U S, house, judiciary committee brought forward and anti trust investigation into several big tech companies back and twenty nineteen. However, these men are Please extend beyond big tech. There is an exotic with glasses and monsanto with agriculture biotech. The list could go on and on here's. What I wonder

Google has paid mozilla for being the default search, engine and firefox, but how much It is actually because Google secretly wants mozilla to limp along, so Google can aim to not have a monopoly in the browser space that is rather to let a competitor eat a few percentages of market share than risk. The government getting up in your business. I can find ads in being from Google. Does good by ad space on being to make sure it keeps limping along or at the extreme. Could these companies be in cahoots or coerce each other to under fund their camps? if products so that no one of them can take government heat. What are you guys, think cave many interesting examples of companies actively propping up competitors just enough to keep them limping along, so their monopoly can keep chugging, love, love it it is good stuff, Harold opposition

is this is this is for the group ya. This is for the table. I think, come on bananas. It fully applies. Do you remember when we talk about ticketmaster, worse the like there's something like this happening there. I remember, I think it was the can adrian broadcasting company did an undercover investigation, a while back into ticket esters I, though they call it was in exchange programme, basically to where I no want to call it legal scalping, but I think I mean that's what it feels like to me. Where large order, Purchasers can buy tickets in bulk. through this system and then sell them back through ticketmaster, it was almost like propping up small or ticket sales people, in order for them to still get a cut, but there are allowing the competition, but it is,

under their umbrella still silence about weird. That's it goodwin! That's going liquor. is cynical. Syndicate first off bonus, arbitrary internet points, awesome moniker I do there are out of the generals of this one of the big ones. As a gay skip lunch today is fast food. You know young brands. A lot of fast food places rate, and I there there again in the world. The cars handy in cuba also really figure was ninety seven hand. I bought fifty percent fifty one percent of cheer. The expedient group owns orbits hotwire hotwire travelocity, that the other thing it's like the look exotic model is not unique to sunglasses. Look at cleaning products procter and gamble- There are selling you gain their sonya downy, their selling each year there selling about their selling you tied? Well, look I didn't

I mean all of the various studios, all roads kind of lead to disney? When you mean know, pay enough attention But somehow you know that the legal for these Companies are doing there. diligence in such a way that they will not be accused of being a monopoly. Just barely here I mean that's their goal- is to get as close to a monopoly as possible. A gay opening the largest market share without but of a fish really being considered a monopoly, but I would argue that criteria for being a monopoly is pretty ephemeral. Now I dont know what that is. Is there an actual formula, then in Matt, for what I believe makes yeah, so it depends on the country or in to be completely fair. Also,

Oh antitrust legislation is much stronger in places like the eu, then it is in places like the united states, because the people who directly profit I am a monopoly, also have the juice, the wherewithal the suction, as they say on the wire to change legal ecosystem such that they are not breaking the law right You wanna, you wanna, make sure nothing. You do as a crime, then get your hooks on the people who side what is and is not illegal? I this like a league monopoly, I believe, is affirmed that protected in the legal system from competitors affirm that gets a government mandate to operate as a monopoly, but you can also see oh another great example: cable companies right If you live in the: u s, your cable companies lightly. Have already negotiate.

It, their own turf with each other right. So that's why you move to placing maybe you really want google fibre me. For some reason you really want comcast directs affinity whatever their coin themselves. In your neck of the woods, you might not be able to do that because those Companies have agreed already just on their own, that they won't go past the fourteenth street or what there is another thing to you whether he was empty. I was a company, Who was trying to offer long distance calling at a reduced rate but aids and see literally controlled alot of the equipment that they would need to have in play. In order to do that, and there is internal memos from eighty anti that lead where they are basically saying, let's choked them out before they can get to market. You know so that's anti competitive added. Finest, but also like

There's no rule that says you have to be nice to your competitors to appoint right leg. That's my must my will thing. Is I What is the actual line the EU cross that? a point. You are now a monopoly, and so many his legacy company. I just have a leg up that no new and into the space, will ever have so who's that guy and it's on t v that the the stock guy that's kind of keyed up and crazy and has a button, makes sounds. you don't like an earlier yeah he's, got some big energy big energy. I remember his name but he's on MSNBC ip and he's Add something to the effect. I think this was actually on John Oliver or he's like you know: yeah Google is is the best at what they do. Show me another company that can do it better and then I'll, be like you, ok, cool later get a monopoly anymore, but the point that he is missing, the John Oliver make pointed out is that their lives,

billy, depriving anybody else, I've ever having that opportunity to even try even get into the space any competitive level, because I own so much of the the means of production I guess, for lack of a better term or just the whole space they just own it. So lock, stock and barrel that it in its hard for the governments are wrapped their heads around and regulated properly because its happened so fast and government stuff happens. So slow. Look at preston, Tucker right, the tucker, forty eight, the tucker torpedo preston Tucker. Went up against the big three auto manufacturers and got waxed and congress helped. You can call it a conspiracy if it makes you feel better folks, you can call the conspiracy theory, rather if it makes you feel better, but this is like okay dear example, not think of was things like unilever right, you know ever

Is it disney all its own in terms of what it owns a thing of johnson and johnson we saw in your tylenol, their saw an emotion, their selling, you a number of other. Ah nah name brand things that include similar ingredients. Fingers on a hand to you earlier question about like why is anti trust or what what is an illegal monopoly in the? U s, it goes back to some called the sherman act in t ninety and that still That's this'll, technically the basis for most antitrust laws and argues that, while it bans any agreed, and conspiracies that restrain trade and commerce that stuff, like price fixing, boycotts rigging bids euro things of that nature, the kind of the kind of crime that people wear white collars. For in its also not

you know there are a lot of problems. People have with how its enforce, like think of your vertical versus horizontal integration, right out, Henry ford said. I wanna own free piece of what eventually becomes afford car, that's, why you that's the supply chain, that's also taking ownership of. A supply chain right readily? Can you be grudged someone that laid the groundwork for that? So far back are they supposed to give pieces of that away like I, I sound like I'm being an apologists for this kind of iron. Stood market can have you no capitalism, but they were first to the market and they own all the pieces? So don't you have to play ball with them, and it just seems like a flawed system. I guess is what I'm getting at yeah. It's tough because of what you pointed out earlier and cynical trying to get a we. We hope these exams

Those are our foreign again love. You point out. Monsanto looks ottawa and an alphabet, the parent company of google- I do the issue is if some entity has that stranglehold they get first to the post. and they now, oh, the door right if they, when the door then they get in to this sort of cost benefit. Alice's. Is it more bang for your buck to allow competition, and prove your products and services, or is it more bang fear buck to not so much worry whether you're doing a good job and focus on preventing other people from get into that space and it happens a lot. That's why a lotta legacy technology and practices are around. and sometimes you don't see it when you're bubbled, it's about optics here,

do I mean what the cynical syndicate is implying is that their propping up, lesser competitors and allowing them by their there graces to exist so that they can. the eight, the illusion of competition where nine actually exists because I still have their either the glove analogy. They still its part their glove, but there allowing that finger to up operate seemingly independently, but it's to the benefit of the regulatory optics of it all. You know I mean coca cola once pepsi around pepsi, once coca cola rout, I wanted about two things talking about browsers right, we're talking about google chrome and mozilla firefox ellie stand in the middle paragraph,

of what cynical syndicate sent to us. The reason why microsoft gun trouble as being a monopoly back in the day was because an internet explorer right because on your operating system they installed internet, explore It just came with the system so use is found it really difficult or It was different, and devising anybody who had a microsoft operating system from downloading a different browser in accessing the internet rate, it's already there just use the one. That's there if you the download another when you gotta use internet explorer to get it anyway. What we'll just have to inject really quickly? I was not aware, and I'm a little confused as to why google is paying mozilla four hundred and fifty million dollars a year to be the default search. Engine on firefox does google own firefox, I thought google was chrome, will where what is whose interest in firefox and while yeah cause any are you type in your bar, where, whatever

browser. You use you just type some stuff into there and urges it's. You have to tell you I which search engine you want to use. I got that's right. Yeah in an intense, typically people are going to customize. Go with whatever the thing that stock, because the path least resistance from some awesome? was listening, netscape right now, hello? How are you their mozilla was netscape ray is Mozilla little monster. That was our they related mozilla netscape we No, there is definitely a conflict of interests between firefox and google, cynical you may enjoy a siena article by crystal coin. In two thousand and seven, which talks about how google is participating in this relation. chicken for many years since I was having been considered in open, secret in the world of tech. That google calls the shots for mozilla, firefox

blue. I believe cheer point nor, I believe, It is a non profit. It was sort of an open source thing leg. So now it netscape was the original browser, as many of us remember, from early early internet days had like a sort of nautical theme right, didn't it kind of like a like a lighthouse sort of vibe. So I just looked up netscape mozilla mozilla, which was why stylize, ammo, z, colon slash, slash a eyes: free software community, founded in nineteen. Ninety eight by members of netscape, the Missouri a community uses, develop, spreads and supports mozilla products, thereby promoting exclusive free software, an open standards of only minor exceptions. I mean if miss spoke earlier, so essentially, Google, paid Mozilla

a bunch of money to keep google as the default search engine for mozilla. Is that right now? That's quite what our listener said. Our listener said: google see. I listeners had goo paid, mozilla yeah. Sorry, that's correct. Google paid Zella for being the default search engine in firefox, so firefox is a product is web browser, but not a search. It says as a lead. That's where I'm confused. How does propping up and browser protect them for me having a monopoly over search, because it's it's worth our listener saying as their protecting themselves over being seen to have a monopoly over browsers, but it's so if they pay the money to be default search engine within another browser. There's google still getting what they need. You no part of their prey every business through that search in the ad. On that search by the way and

Mozilla still gets to have firefox and He still have chrome and, nobody can say, chrome is trying to take over everything right arafat is also still a pretty popular browser. Because it has a lot of extensions that you can use that like allow it to interact with you know no type stuff like I think firefox, is but consider a little less bloated, like Google chrome is a bit of a hog a cpu hog. So I do think there is a market for firefox, already leg it sort of beloved to a degree anyway, I think this is really good food for thought and something to think about bigger picture in terms like are. There are companies that are secretly he colluding with other companies to create the illusion of competition. That is interesting to me, and I think that all of us so

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but I have been listening to stuff you should know and stuff. They don't want you to know for a decade. So I have a vivid image of the lantern in my mind, your public transit comic got me, indeed about the gm street car conspiracy, where jean, and others monopolize the production of parts sold to national city lines transit, I'm from metro detroit. We don't really have public transportation. We have smart they show up ten twenty minutes late and if you need the measure primary form of transportation, It will take you several hours to get ten miles. The big three! Those are that's the nickname for the big three car companies in the: u s, historically, the big three of continuously stifled the growth of public transit in the metro, detroit area, because it could hurt the sale of cars, last week GM announced that all its employees are going down, returned to the office. I suspect remote workers means a scar, wear and tear unless car purchases from him

Oh, yes, I, like it the big three long bidding control of many aspects of michiganders lives? This is as the latest example of their overreach, I loved you. as do an episode of why the? U s is so car centric when so many other places have bike lanes and trains, we lack the infrastructure, is a poor planning or is it something more feel free to read on air much love MILAN got though oh man, you guys know this- is this is one of those ones, free, as they say, the allay leakers. It strange right one of, if not the most powerful country on the planet, the country. that made the interstate happen like as a matter of national defence, the country they can poor williams of dollars,

in descending weird autonomous ships into space? Can't get a decent train system can't get a bus lie? You know what I if they alone, they just don't work so great, a rapid right now as fast I know that no, you guys have been in office have been in areas that do have better public transit, then land wait. What were the experiences? Did you feel like when you were there? Did you think this is a horrible idea? Now, just everywhere. Sets literally the opposite of a good idea. I mean I did find in germany in berlin. In particular, the public transit was very spot on in terms of the arrival of these. Can a street car type deals in credit, the efficient in new york, when you go

When you live there, you would maybe think the same thing. Will the live. There might argue otherwise There are certainly arb. It's an agent infrastructures. So there's a lot of lake maintenance and things have to happen over the weekend, which causes lines to be diverted and unless here can a familiar with it as a tourist. You can easily get on the wrong train on a weekend, because the sign don't change and there's like posted bills and staff to tell you, but they can. A little bit of a cluster F? but yeah. When it's done right boys, it boy, is it better than the alternative here in atlanta we have a very basic public and the system same with allay that only goes in kind of like an ex shape and doesn't really you know, go to. Lying regions and also, once you have to start writing the bus. That's less fun, because the buses slower and less predictable oh and because it below bid depends on traffic where

see no rails in an underground things and elevated trains do not, and that's the part that makes public transit very efficient, yet green, with the points you guys are making in that. I have also in a hurry. I've been using ubers, lift some work trips ages. It makes things faster, depending on where you are because sometimes just being a bike get you away. You need to go faster than a car, especially in there dense areas like parts in chicago or new york, maybe not los angeles That's the that's the point I want to make. I think- the tendency for our city centres to be pretty spread out and order to have a really good training system or even bus system. You have to have so much infrastructure installed. Know you're talking about the aid of the new york city subway system- and it is eighty

It has been around for a long time. It is because it was necessary. I mean really was needed. but then, if you imagine it like you're saying allay couple other places like atlanta, Those systems are source, expensive too. Dull and many many people are coming into that more dense area from outside of it in order to work. So just go back to that question why so many cars why so car centric that's a thing? Is vanessa the for a long time in this country, air. Well, I'm glad to point that out because I do have a few answers for this and it won't go on a data Dennis miller. Rats here but there is a lot of history here. We have to remember mass murder. for occurred in the united states way earlier than europe This is the home of Henry ford in the assembly line right, Henry ford, famous anti semite, also kind of into cars by,

Then he made nineteen thirty's. There was already one car for every to households ray, at that same exact time in history. being a car in europe was like a tool of new money and aristocracy or status, work right, and also u s. These were the first to why, scale, adopt the car adapt the car and the powers that be in government and related industries ray they wanted. This to happen, they did things lowering tax cost for car ownership and use that traditionally still higher in Europe and there are a lot of people who argue it should be, and then, of course already mentioned the unit,

aid system, which is objectively awesome. It's crazy that that happened, and it also goes through cities, dinners, goes through cities in the. U s, places like European highway systems, a lot of them like thinking the autobahn in germany, veil, think cities they don't cut through them. There also turn a government subsidies, because a lot of men of various generations of congress had money on the table in the grand casino of investors and we know that we need but that there was a huge focus, there still is a huge focus domestically on. changing technology rather than attempting to. centralize and change behaviour on a micro irma through economic scale, because changing technique, She also makes people money right, just changing behaviour. Really doesn't it just you makes people's lives

Better than is harder to do. It requires discipline and really messaging, like very distinct messaging, and this ok in theirs other think technology, verses legislation. We ve been saying for years technology, always I'll paces, legislation, That's not adding on law makers, it's just the fact. It's kind of a ding, I admit. Ok, it's like a forty three percent doing so the u s did have. Public trance. If you go to places like the that are automotive museum around her she pennsylvania, then you see the golden era when buses were used. The way the people use aeroplanes. Now aeroplanes are not the reason that probably transit disappeared. What happened was that after world war to roughly a lot of these transit systems. They were network of privately owned, regional or city entities right and they

were increasing their fares. They were cutting their service they were losing writers and cities. going out of business and the? U s. Government uncle sam in some I would try to come along and help, but often too late. The big question about the conspiracy you just mentioned the most famous one, more legato, which I believe is true: the idea that GM and other big car manufacturers led a heavy hand on trolley systems in cities that that were working to incentivize people to get to Car right, you see, your trolley system is good, crappy or in crappy here and you see the cars. Peering, more more desirable and affordable again. Fingers on a hand. Those two pressures likely came from some of the same actors and you can read

all about the gm street car conspiracy. They did go to court, they did get found culpable of some of the charges and they paid a fine of one dollar. Around this time, as as cars are becoming a thing you run into the problem of people, children, animals, buildings, getting hit getting that snobs smacked out of them Italy oft it because this issue is still country full of new Drivers early adopters right into look at automotive safety technology. There used to be still I doing the rant, while used to be steering wheels that straight a patent like a torpedo. Looking thing facing, the driver right seatbelts came ass, the car early adopters have always been guinea. Pigs me now it's like easier to

give me the as mad about exists, more guinea pigs in terms of tech, but back then it was guinea pigs in terms of safety, bodily autonomy, He now I'm glad you're bringing up a tiny me too. That's one of the reasons that I love cars personally is the ability to wake up one evening, one day and just go, and you don't have to wait for A train scheduled right there. He feeds into the idea of individual, isn't that are so culturally important in this part of the world land of the free well astrid behind. But I agree with you there's this. This thing, though, is bonkers. Is there was a modification of behavior, but it didn't come from

the ground up. It didn't come from the public. It came in a burmese style series appear pierre to combat the growing number of experts. Any number of automobile related deaths. The powers that be decided to blame the victims these are not human beings who got hit by a narrow driver. their exerted austrians their jaywalk, Are you turn from you re? Even the term, destiny and, though, has taken on a negative connotations, if some things industry and means that sort of like the know, basic you, then there are the same thing. But yes, jaywalking ban that whole concept. It was like a a marketing smear campaign. Yet so imagine a lot of people are dying because there, hit by these crazy machines. Ngos super fast where the end folks in charge in these machines dollar. Huh.

percent know what they're doing you know what I mean. It's not like a pilot licence it in have the log a bunch hours with someone sitting in the shock and see so J. The reason j walking came about as it came from the idea, if Jane drivers back in the day J meant, like a newbie, a rookie arup rube like JV junior guys are going to yeah yeah at noon. Yeah yeah, like that J J walking comes about the days when cars were still being call horseless carriages. So people are dying and your decision is not immediately to make laws tighter around automobiles. You, one incentivize people chase that individualism chase that dream. So instead,

hey, you know these dead people, they're kind of rubes, let's be honest, they're just walking out there free as a jaybird they're, not paying attention it's on them, which is a lot like saying those people should stop staying. In front of guns, that'll solve it, which I knew in front of spikes on their room service. He the torpedoes theory will win I want one of those cars wrong place wrong. Time was on you, you should a known better, and this now leads us to without making is foot So you can hear me and our pal scott benjamin talking about this earlier of course, of what this leads to. The next step is something called path. Dependence path depend since is essentially the argument that

once a large group of people or entity decides to go one way. They reach a decision point right, a fork in the woods to be robert frost about it and they go one way it. increasingly difficult for them to turn back the clock and go in other direction, you you get your point, we can only sort of branch out based in some part of what you have already built unless there is a catastrophe, unless there is a extinction level event or your entire infrastructure gets wiped out. So there is great argument that the? U s is in a path dependent state. This does not mean that everybody who works on the out of line is a supervillain Does it mean that every member congress is some anti burns. Ask you know James bond villain. What it does mean is that over it

I'm people made decisions that reinforce the path they were already on, and that's I mean it's. A huge stumbling. Ok, we'll we talk about four hours. It's like confirmation by us as an individual. Were you do look at things, then and choose to pay to spend time with sources that nicky. you'll get about how you already feel, but this is on a much larger scale when it comes to like corporations and technology and, like you know, it's a lot as more consequences has been much farther, reaching consequences, and this sitting it shouldn't may not be. May I belong for the world in the us, as the rise of autonomous vehicles grows, who does the rise for infrastructure for increased control from an outside party.

Over the vehicle that you are writing in and driving right so eats again. I'm conflicted about it. On a personal level, cause. I know all of trust me folks. I know all the problems of four of us knew all the problems with internal combustion with footprints with. Sprawl in traffic jams and still probably because I spent so many for- If yours here still love cars, there's nothing quite like waking up one day and saying I'm just going to draw I'm going to pick a direction I'm going to drive until I hit the ocean. That is so cool. Very few people in history have ever been able to do that. A suit without very conflicted, ants We hope we hope breaks down the the highlights of why the? U s remains a car centric. I propose we pause for word from our sponsor and return with a message from

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I related a story where they were him and his er men were taken into a room and shown a video or a film. I suppose, of what he claimed was a some sort of laser weapon that was literally cutting p o w's, I dunno as other enemy soldiers in half. I assume it was some sort of test ah, and that's really only sad, my dad that he didn't his brother didn't really like talking about it, but I would be fascinated to know if there's any truth to that. I know laser weapons even today need to be the size of a truck to do any damage, and I intentionally had to look into it. I'd love to hear your guys' opinion love the show are, and you could use my a voice on air if you wish thanks guys. Thank you very much.

The driver for sharing that information with us. Can we talk about this? With you been? I got a lot of questions. I think that I haven't working with the driver by way of a lot of questions or, like maybe a since that I'd love to get from the driver to that story, but I guess This list jump right in what are your thoughts into? terms of sketchy experimentation here more specifically during the vietnam war and with lasers, I think that so What am I questioning comes from that because if you look at the time lines, early city visual timelines of lasers, the measures, the thing that they before they were lasers. Basically directed energy devices, lasers were were officially invented, at least in the public sphere, that we know of and panted in the nineteen sixty

we're talking. Nineteen sixty and only what gosh, maybe six years before that, that's. When measures were thing they were doing different types of energy lasers are specifically directed energy in the light spectrum, which is an important thing. and then the vietnam war is nineteen sixty four, so there's not much time for that overlap, but it would be a pretty good time for experimentation. you're thinking, maybe we could weapon eyes this thing right after it gets invented, yeah yeah. I love your point out the timeline, because laser guided bombs were invented or developed. We should say by uncle sam during the vietnam war. and there they were precise. They worked we after member,

War drives innovation, concurrently with human misery right, so so the driver, your You are correct. Like the story, you heard a dies have does have some solid evidence to it, the eye of in its resolution, comes up lakers aimed at you the early lasers- and those are some big boy as those jokers you're, a yeah, those some joggers If you wanted what mean even right now, because it is, there are directed energy lasers than are meant to do harm. To my knowledge, I do apologise, always barking background. There she's upset there. She was lasers, she super I have see some fellows working on if we ac system radar excited? Ok, so

a laser right now that would be considered a laser weapon dead because they doings to an extent but they're, not the type that are going. Honey anybody in half at least that's not acknowledged anywhere, those things are the size of a truck. I I'd love to hear from maybe sides is out. There are people who do work in optics people who work this type of energy field, I'd love to know like what what is the actual state of laser weaponry because I'm looking online and trying to find just what the? U S, government would date about a laser weapon at the end, tor capabilities and Your hard time undersea, finding First of all, in an understanding what I'm reading yeah yeah, it's a bitter rarefied air. Sometimes there's the focus on the past stuff that we can do with a little bit more accurate,

right, not quite loser guided, but there have been things declassified that are now public we available information, there's a great barnacle in you find, on J store and it's free red? It's called the vietnam war by a guy named Donald black wilder, in nineteen. Ninety two and it's all about the the development of precision guided bombs and it starts with laser and infrared, guided munitions inside these data during that conflict matt, I would further ad a fuel to the fire. By pointing out that, at this juncture we can inclusive say that technological suppression exist and tat technology. For any by wonder- is wondering why we're via so hard on. I don't know. I can't find it is because,

we do know that it is completely possible for these things to exist. Well, before they are revealed publicly. A hundred percent rule do come on. We do the department of defense through me five years after the end of the car in vietnam release america's part of it. Nineteen sixty four three five years after that, nineteen, only nine, the! U s- government official, He declared lasers as future weapons, as I do these are future weapons, but doesn't mean they weren't attempting to develop. users into weapons by throughout the late sixties, to the lay nineties It's really interesting. There's a thing. Last name, this thing called the joint technology office of energy lasers is a thing that was created for the governor. in the year, two thousand to develop a laser weapons as develop, not invent. Oh yeah,

also shouted ventured secrecy. Acting to fifty one check it up. There is a page on luck, he'd martens website devoted to lasers, harnessed the power of lasers, so I mean it's definitely show me well, it doesn't have anything about weaponry, though yeah it's got a video directed energy. The time for laser weapons systems has come Oh god, up I'll put it in the chair. It's pretty wild no lasers- can do cool stuff. We know that they have to be close range. Usually I think right and to use them for long range will require more energy than an autonomous in a play, in a vehicle could maybe have on board, perhaps is the issue. but the alligators leave us. They laser weapon systems, spielberg harnessing etc. at sea, in the air and on the ground. Lockheed Martin is developing laser weapons systems to protect warfare.

There is on the battlefield combined with expert play. form integration. These systems are designed to defeat a growing range of threats to military forces and infrastructure yeah. I would also go by further to back to the seventy and sixtys. We know that nineteen, seventy one collectively like the! U, a government and its defence contractor lattice were spending six point. Three billion dollars on advanced laser weaponry, blake, not the sound all conspiratorial and black monday murders about it, but the money whose you know, and the they're making money moves. Yes yeah just so there are field past of this, and we know that not everybody was impressed, but we also know that a lot of people were frightened by the potential of what they saw this they gave it would be. This is not

like a investigation into psychic powers, writer, the creation candidates manchurian, that is not yet. This is not paying what, if level by the soviets, you're doing it too? China's lolly gagging. They knew that the soviet union was working on a laser technology right, and so they were able to prove cancer, stint reproducible results, they knew Sunday was up and they were still working on it. It would be naive to assume otherwise is just more public. Now, on kudos to the graphic environment of lockheed Martin Leah. The header image on this page that I was dying, now. It has like a battleship at sea with a tiny. Laser cannon, a purple, beam of light, shooting up into the sky and blowing up a plain, yeah yeah. I want two points. the other day that Lockheed Martin written on their website. Here quote as fibre.

laser power levels increase our systems will be able to disable larger threats and do so across greater distances when operating in conjunction with kinetic energy weapons. These systems can serve as a force multiplier. What they're saying is these, while least that's exactly determine through? Not so you're not loud, but they are not saying that these lasers are disintegrating or destroying any enemy weapon systems. They are disabling them, which is a huge difference right, because we're we're talking about potential eight the global. No, no it's it's regarding this voicemail that we got it's a store. about uncle, who is engaged in the vietnam war being shown a film of lasers back then cutting through enemy soldiers like cutting them in half which, where

We're just trying to discuss. Would a laser ever have the power to do that? Could it even it I mean. I I think. If we're using the word, could then absolutely it could raise the questions were, does humanity right arrive at this at this ability we also have to remember the: u s was up. who all sorts of mad sites during the view more aid and orange, is real clouds being- is real. They change the movements of the sky. You know this is she's like some you got involved in whether you could do it. They did whether you should call a kind of That's part of the equation. Cars should implies responsibility, That implies some sort of moral. You know calculation that doesn't typically come into play in these scenarios. Even makes me think of his is that that show an amazing comic series: the boys, where the

you superheroes in vietnam, as weapons, ending a laser eyes are like slicing through enemies, and they also like a big debacle where they accidently blow up the wrong thing and create like international. You know event of some sort, The last thing I want to read from this site- is a quote from Paul shattuck, the direct of directed energy systems. He says quote our beam control technology enables precision equivalent to shooting a beach ball off the top of the empire state building from San francisco bay bridge. So that's the kind of big picture, future stuff, doomsday type stuff that I think you know science fiction has taught us to fear. You know what ok, yeah that make sense. I just gotta sound bite from that same Are you guys? They use the phrase, a surgical, scalpel,

when talking about one of their tactical lasers soon, and then they can also argue. That's gonna reduce collateral damage because they literally laser focus on targets, and you know like from afar distance take out one target or one be now, as opposed to a broad stroke, drone attacks that you now kill lots of people and even drums are a more focused version of that. He now it's definitely better than like dropping a nuke. You know These use these laser systems Ben, what's out there, thirty, seven b o got yeah good, told You know get a little like a good occasion. A maker on their just in case some Someone really is out there they may be, they will use the helios system which has been delayed. or to the? U s: navy, sixty kilowatt high energy, laser rival

that's right. The ocean yeah Well, I least now word solution, though, is weird, because it makes me think of the final solution you, the air force so you got something from like he'd the lads laser advancements for next generation compact environs. Smallest airborne, laser weapons system publicly admitted today. Now that was the september nineteenth this year, wow, here is the other thing we learned the driver, and maybe you can just write to us. Spirits see at her heart radio we. love to know what branch or military your uncle was in at what level he was operating right so what's rank wake. What was he doing because that might inform how we feel about the the story of the film.

Because maybe was red onto something yeah, just so quite possibly you know, maybe it's unfair logically to say: well, the euro. Was getting up to a bunch about science theory that conflict, because war drives mad science and just because oars experimentation, one unorthodox approach does it. Necessarily mean that all the stories about the other stop or true. We just have to say that Also again, technological suppression is real. Israel, national invention secrecy act? Nineteen, fifty one, please, please, please you ve heard as mentioned before. Look it up right, start asking why there is not more about it in the public sphere and that's No man is that where we leave it today before we get laser drop it right now, cause I'm getting my heat fixed right now, so I'm not feeling particularly warm yet, but if I heat up real fast, all of a sudden I'll, let y'all know

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