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It's a message from Lana and let us play it very clearly
Why are you here now and there had not agreed industry, has a really interesting to look into. How are you
there is a growing awareness of the disappearance of the Korean. She disappeared in
eleven on her cruise ships, which are has since been realised,
Human trafficking is that aspect and suffering furnish really in her thanks? What the share by
in there we go. We have been talking about cruises quite a bit in the region
Passengers are meagre in
was first peaked when we
just learning about
the key phrase
The viral infectious trap that increased.
can become win out at sea and just a single infected person gets on board and you know
a then became. I guess our interest in blood the industry over all has been doing for many years about law when you're on international waters
just some of some of the Inn
streets, regular habits,
how will they keep costs down?
interesting stuff, where we have not talked specifically about any disappearances, I dont think
Japan unless I'm wrong. We talk
in the past about we ve explored some cases of people who went missing in international waters, while not necessarily on a cruise ship, but just
gotta pursuit of always sunny in Philadelphia. You know the rules are different
on the high seas in a really loving pointed that out. We have not talked about Rebecca Quorum who disappeared, I in March, two thousand and eleven March twenty. Second, she was a crew member.
Ship called the Disney wonder, and I do think that this could warrant a full
so because it already has some of the common policies we ve seen in other controversial, missing cases
number one. There are a lot of theories number two there's a lot of valid criticism of the subsequent investigation. Then, of course, we
The realize that
without having done the kind of recent
We need to do to make a full episode of this. We have to realise that this gets very close to us messing with the Big Mouse Disney Disney. Wonder, that's big Mickey! That's the big making mob now man
also come for you. It reminds me of that. Show succession knows
Fiona scandal, most boilers, but there's a thing.
Their yeah there's a massive corporation that has an arm. That is essentially the
their crews line arm of their company
and you can only imagine that this would be a public relations nightmare. So I did, I would say,
The company that owns this cruise liner, where something may or may not have happened, would have an instant.
to keep it as quieter
possible, or as needed to be for them.
Instigation to continue along the lines assuming I'm assuming
others may be looking on at once occurring here. What occurred, how the investigation move forward with a more sceptical I when it comes to the actions of the company,
There is a lot to cover in this topic. I would say: there's theirs
the extensive timeline that begins around five forty five, a m on March. Twenty. Second, though, you're talking about their ban, which was a Tuesday that
Molly saw Rebecca on the phone. It's Assisi
tv cameras, just you can watch her being upset having an argument of some kind or being just
looking like she's upset by what has been said on that phone call
and then she ended up not
we for work, not naturally
her post, the next more
and that was that she's been gone ever since, and people have gone
overboard in the past, but here's the thing to set the state right, the most likely the
most likely disappearance or someone on the ocean in a boat is going.
be somehow that person going overboard. I the sea
were called their their tongues.
discrepancies here too, just for anyone
he's not familiar with the case of quickly find weird stuff like that were flip flop.
in a room that were the wrong size. That does improve anything, but it's weird it doesn't.
He likes. You would have committed suicide, but we don't know what's on that phone call
We do know that people have not been happy with it. What other screw thing is jurisdiction right, because I think this ship is
flagged in the Bahamas, correct so low.
Looks initial law enforcement. It has to be cut
it out by the law enforcement in the Bahamas. Yeah we're
the human trafficking angle come in the EU
oh world, where our collar
when I was talking about crew
lines
potentially being
source of human trafficking. And you know I do not
We have the raw data for that or the evidence to support that claim
but any time you ve got a massive ship
That is travelling around through it.
National waters too. To other countries- and
people boarding the ship their people getting off the ship there
early opportunity right now makes sense.
I consider I mean consider the employment practices can become so sticky when you are hiring people
from one country to work on a ship of the different countries.
go into international waters and, as you said, Matt make many stops along the way. It's not impossible for
things to go. Awry like this is the transportation sector right. It's the
The team at sector sure, but it also the transport sector and the transit sectors rife with opportunity for traffickers lake,
sex trafficking and maybe in the way that you might see it occur in LAS Vegas, like the to put a fine point on it
jobs are. The people who think they're engaging in some kind of consensual sex work may be actually involved
with someone who has been forced to core coerced to be there, but I do
the point out. Without too much was spoiler. I
two long ago that Rebecca aquariums girlfriend at the time said that
she said that, in her opinion, Rebecca took a lot of drugs and in may be deliberately left off the boat, but that still like not official
prove it right here. They're here
not at all
You really have to look at her parents who have been
fighting battles in and out of court since March
of twenty eleven with both
his new crews line with
Disney Company- I guess in there
their crews line arm, as well as just attempting to find
more information from the various investigators that have been working on the case, I dont want to spoil
too much here, but as of twenty sixteen
de the company,
settle with the family.
the out. So so there was money paid. I don't I.
Highly doubt that any wrong doing was. You was admitted there
no, no admission of guilt. That's that's it
settlement is also you know. It's not necessarily a sketchy thing again. I think now we're all being careful, because we do wonderful
So can we don't want to spoil it by by your leave,
very, very transparent when a
Corporation or even a
celebrity, for instance, region,
and out of court settlements them what their due
is there their pain, the person
the pain, the the aggrieved party off but they're, doing it
outside of court, meaning there is no legal admission of guilt and the case will be considered settled and no further
legal proceedings will occur?
at least in that in that specific instance,
not me, like we see him cases get go to
trial forget dismissed
in a civil cases, successful so their day, avenues which I should like now without precedent in the idea of people disappearing from his cruise ships and has found like a market watch article from two thousand
seventeen, so the
to be a little higher by now, but since two thousand
during this article. Around three hundred people have gone overboard from cruise ships and ferries and that's a court.
Into data collected by Ross. Client is professor in the school of social work at memorial unit.
City of Newfoundland in Canada and of those folks like there are now several met, many that are still still missing. I presumed dead,
senile. It's a thing that happens, people drink a lot on cruise ships and they can just topple overboard of their own volition, expert stena of on there.
and is necessarily mean that there's foul play, and I was wonder
two like do cruise ships ever like piggy back and carry cargo as well.
and apparently that's not really a thing, some wondering
where, on the ship, when human trafficking Nina victims be held
I am assuming, of course, there's gonna, be internal cargo for the things that they need to make all the meals, and you know whatever belts.
Services are provided on the cruise ship. I'd I'd should to see what the stats are for me now, proving that human trafficking takes place on being a commercial crews lines itself. There I mean
It's it's a tough stance to pull in an annual away, because your question,
Any of your first question. Many of those human trafficking victims are in some
he's gonna look like any other, any other passenger. That's a good point.
you're being controlled by you know. They're there
main abuser or trafficker who is putting them up
under any number of ruses and the truth
that the matter is a few are if you are,
a company operating ships that take hundreds and hundreds of people on a boat Roy
Jill early. You
are going to have a difficult time, giving each single individual a background check other than
making sure that their credit card works
their day.
They can legally travel to whatever country
taken them too, so it's it's tough! It stop in its is approved
that we know
the problem that we know the industry has taken steps to a job
Yes, but it's it's a herculean efforts
bright or no,
I I know I mention this lake every two or three years. If you want to travel across,
the ocean, and you don't want to go out and cruise ship and your flexible
with your time you can get
a really affordable ticket on a cargo ship, then it'll just
like you and
through people. Maybe two other
People who love unorthodox travel and
maybe maybe I'll work on a novel, who knows you
you have to bake like two to Tunis.
six weeks of flexibility on either side Yanks, I imagine just getting.
For whatever reason getting stuck out
side and obey somewhere in this giant cargo ship, because you're not allowed to dock yet and there's some kind of trade
dispute occurring in numerous. Then you
live there on a cargo ship, that's your life. Now,
It would be great if guys, if we could record on the cargo ship thou,
pretty neat, I'm still,
working that out there are some technical difficulty. While Ben I mean you recall and not the two distant past, we were recording pretty regularly in what felt like a shipping container. So there will be perfectly at home,
in such situations,
I'm here. I'm in that now, actually only rarely wine then bent units
guys. I this is an hour's, though I am, or a cargo ship don't be mad at me. I thought you would see yet
tell you what I was on the boat. I thought you might say. No, I one hundred sloshing sounded the wage file. Just a brief back
Rebecca Korea, you guys and without spoiling too much. I think they should be
an episode that we cover in the future and
This is what I want to leave you with. This is from
Hollywood reporter article that is discussing
twenty sixteen, I guess
The result of the court case that went through this
is a quote from Jim Walker, a Miami based attorney who represented the Koreans in the United States. Throughout this case he says
the case, has been resolved there pursuing an
quest in the UK, but I'm not supposed to talk about the case,
interesting right who now here here,
here is another quote this one from british part
Terry, and at least in twenty sixteen Chris Matheson, here's his quote my work,
spheres that Rebecca Coreham was murdered? It's a possibility.
It needs to be investigated properly, the more
Look into this, the more it smells run, the more it smells
to crime has taken place so
terrible, absolutely horrifying and terrible for the Corleone family and for Rebecca Aquarium herself
over for you the possibilities
here of uncovering
something that we can really dig into that we can talk about on this show in May
expose sums
What's going on in been problems like you're speaking to know, it feels like this topic is: is ripe for it, so
quicksighted to dig in more. Thank you so much Lana for calling and letting us know about this. Yes, great, thank you and thank you.
everybody was written in response
our our earlier exploration of cruise ships. There's there's a lot beneath it
fish there? You know we can't wait to do again.
One of the one of the most amazing things here is just how much first hand experience we ve been learning about in your correspondence is with us,
getting an inside peak and we want to. We want to go further down the rabbit whole, as is our what speaking
of inside peaks. We,
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And we're back yesterday in the question. As a result, I would have come up fellows the idea of getting booted from the masons. Remember how that came
I was not on a news episode or what was that's a garrison Courtney, who is pretending to be a deep covers, see I answer high as hill to build a bunch of high ranking government officials out a millions he got close.
the people concerned were so important that we get close to sign.
Some multi billion dollar contracts, which would have also given full legal immunity? At one points he claims
to be hooking, someone up in contact with an ambassador that he said he nuth through the Freemasons win
the marking question finally spoke to said ambassador. It turned out that
the only thing that ambassador knew was that this con garrison Courtney having
down masons, and I think
where the three of us started, asking ourselves with the four of us
ask ourselves how the hell do you
get kicked out of their masons. I think it's interesting.
question and also the way it occurred to us is interesting because, because of the poor
that, we we sort of follow with some of these stories. You know
grew societies have certain air of sinister
to them, and I think it certainly
simple to ascribe that same thing to the Freemasons, but of the end of the day. This
information out there about the freemasons- and you know anyone can be nominated to be a member, and you can even go to your local chapter and petition to to be a member and we'll talk about that in a second but
the idea that you know
somehow masons are these like high?
of all you know Cree evil types
criminal, matched her buttons. If something with those were my mind, how do you get kicked out of an organisation that society pure evil by? That's? Definitely not the
Is the masons do a lot of good work.
For the community, as we know like the schriner is not shoot the masons sponsor all these
hospitals, and I know you
argues just a front for all of their nefarious underground dealings. But you know it's interesting thing to think
It is also a very long tradition of Freemasonry, as we know, and they certainly
and shadowy figures that have been connected to it
the years, but also some very prominent and an upstanding figures might have been connected to it
one of which I would argue,
is, are anonymous, email, email or even doesn't even given name. He just hasn't
A clandestine email address, using letters in numbers that I don't know what did mysterious point if its initials or weapons quite a lot in numbers, but he has this to say about the other question at hand here, hi guys
I was in the Freemasons for just over five years and in that time I climbed offices in the Blue Lodge as well as obtained. The rank of Knights Templar in the York right.
as well as the thirty second degree in the scottish right. The quickest way to get booted out was by being convicted of a crime. Felons aren't
in an getting one will put you out misdemeanour
are hidden, miss demeanor smell,
with it is largely depending on who you know you can't
the for non payment of dues. That was a question that came up but have never known that to happen. There were good
Is that hadn't paid for years generally,
thing over a year. Passed do will mean you're getting letters
I never had access to the quote upper echelons, but I did know people who were from my time
It all seems like traditional frat things, the main secret.
Is the secrecy and the leaders of itself. Any other secrets are handshakes.
code, words and ritual things, think repeat:
phrases acting out seems things like that? No one would really care about. If you attack.
a public session that is held once a year. In most places you will witness what happened
that even the highest levels really interesting information
I wouldn't be surprised if small clicks form
in the lodge who may get into
the public wouldn't like- but I think you could say this for any group of considerable size
I'm willing to answer any questions. The best of my ability, I'm not a bit paycheck
wait. Wait. Let me get is a frame but
you guys remember this when yeah
Does that for help right, yeah there
as we all know that Youtube crowd was the real help for the widow son good.
I love it, but I don't feel like we're compromising Eddie. Any message
Rick organizations in the crowd by saying that this is the age of the internet
Well, I am neither does our anonymous email or he seems to think that anybody going to one of these public gatherings would would witness a lot of the same stuff and then maybe
it's not as hush hush as one might think and that the ritual is some of the
organization is the notion of the secrecy, but it's maybe not
I'm glad as one might think do not
Did you see that we are, and we had another email really recently about this? I just want to read
this time I saw one for
from a another current Mason dispersed and says
sometimes a brother, will decide that he is no longer interested in being involved. Maybe who learned that we don't control the world or he sick of eating green beings at dinner? Women?
We can then issue him. What is called a deem it, which is it
stating that he left of his own accord- and there are no
aims against him:
It's like an honourable discharge is what this person this idea
of lake.
What what amounts to an amicable break up is? Is poor
refreshing. That's that's
thing that a lot of more secretive organizations don't really have.
also one a shoutout as someone who heroic
a letter to us about this from,
from Maine
some of our personal contacts,
I have been involved in Freemasonry who have talk to us about it, no pointing
make anonymous that there. I really appreciate it. I think we all appreciate it was that
the idea of collusion in conspiracy
is likely to form in groups of any size, and it is likely to be the result of a small click or faction within a larger community working toward there,
ends and larger community may know nothing about that snake. Like think about this, think about
Small town, corruption, rampant
in America. Historically right there is
who's gonna be there's gonna be a mob in here
some equivalent of a mob and three toe.
And saw just as much as in Chicago or New York City. They might just not be italian, they might call themselves a mob, but this
If in the mare in whomever pro,
we run the town, so we
that in mind in these small communities, especially it's completely part
well, that they would all happened to be members of the same social network, whether that's the rotarian or the lions
but we're yes, the Freemasons, and then
Would they meet at the lights cover
we at the truce masters or whatever at the Freemasons Lodge there
able to meet under the cover of that organization, and then they just gonna go to another room, a little. What we call a break out session, then there, like ok,
How are we gonna fix this election? You know what I mean
the same thing we ve talked about with all these secret societies. I we we have as companies with with John Hodgman phenomena
and about the book and snake secret society at
Harvard, or was it where's that or creation? I believe that's right and that sort of the deal is.
any of these there's going to be an opportunity to mingle with high level people with which you could pretend,
collude if both spots,
an end to doing so
and but it doesn't mean silly, the entire organization is inherently corrupt or based on
overthrowing the you now the status quo in some former fashion year,
More we have also learned is that you don't need a secret society for any of that. None of you just need a all you need is a country club
that's exactly own, a giant country club somewhere near Boca return. Maybe I don't know but be area you gotTA, Boca or could be in the heart of Atlanta could be anywhere really who just own and operate a country like war, Abu member, Lena, gradually I've gotta, say too to or not
into the other folks were written in to give us some excellent information about Freemasonry which, which I greatly appreciate
my immediate question: now it was so hard, not email. Everybody about this is
Here's the line you read from our anonymous anonymous lister know where it's like misdemeanour
are hit and miss or, as you said, misdemeanor demeanor yeah in law
largely depends on nepotism right. The end result of whether or not one can stay with the organization. That's fine!
A lot of these organizations do operate primarily on nepotism. As a matter of fact, I would say: nepotism is one of the number one things holding the species back overall. Fortunately, meritocracy is too often a myth. What's next
As an aside. I wonder what the
miss are. Are they misdemeanours solely of moral turpitude, as you
sometimes on a customs form or like I
we love if there was, for some reason, something incredibly specific
and something that seemed relatively
meaningless or knock to us. Non masons are the outside and I wonder if that's like the number one crime in Freemasonry, I hope to God its stamp fraud.
Some reason there, like the one:
there are here- are subjected
bore the car, and sometimes they they die. That's an accident accidents happen, but if you make fake steps
after you, perhaps coins ordinary. That would be another good rules specifically
figure,
oil. Of that I know you are coins, or I know that all your desires, I've seen the signs that all the gas station zone, as is the first point, I did find
an article written by a Mesa master Mason,
by name of Matthew, Arnold Mackintosh, on a website.
Called WMD, masons, DOT, Org and the headline as high more
standards of Freemasons and he goes through a kind of rights, a treatise about how that, at its heart, the whole purpose of Freemasonry.
Is to impart this high moral standard on its members
and then I was sort of like
How do I become a mason? Didn't EC law
to find a website that gives you kind of a step by step and how to do so. It may sound.
Dash lodged dash of that education, dot, com and
it reads: almost like an old timey pamphlet become a Freemason. Would you like
to become a free may set and belong to the oldest largest fraternity, and the world has how you must
just find a Masonic Lodge location near you, contact them and ask for a petition to join and then
you become a free, may send you. Will his like serious selling points join
both the oldest and largest fraternity in the world joy
brotherhood of over two million men of all aid,
from all races, religions in countries and from all walks of life
and it s a pictures of some real cool signet rings that that you get. I guess, when you become a member, why
do so. Many men want to become a free, Mason
the organisation as a voluntary, fraternal organization com.
The men of goodwill, good character and good reputation whom
most jurisdictions around the world believe in an almighty creator and practise the spirit
universal brotherhood to man lot
Man talk in this done right, yeah, that's! What are the big things here we need to. We need to give further that before someone's writing to us about this so early,
I think one of his said anybody can get in. I know some
lesser. Writing you males about their right. Now, don't worry, PA!
sponsor email? Oh yes, it's only dude. There are
associated organizations that are not.
We entirely just dude spot
It is that is one great discrimination and most of them
orders, I think also as you as you mentioned earlier, no one.
You need not have a specific religion, but must have
I'm sort of belief in Asia earthy spiritual all? Yes exactly and then just just to wrap this up. Just one
I've got this giant alphabetical list, an eminent kind of just skip around a little bit, but just some some high, you know highly
influential and big deal folks.
who were masons, and we know this abbot bud. But William Abbot
of Aben Castelo fame was a Mason
Buzz Aldrin was in fact a Mason, the second
to walk on the moon. Let's see we ve gotta Gerald Ford.
Mr President, we know Henry Ford
we'll be, of course, of course see to see you these, you throw appendant. This listen, you're gonna find somebody
influential Joseph Smith, the founder of the church of Jesus Christ, the latter day saints
Kay. The Mormons isn't that interesting. I do
the idea. This is interesting to me and you haven't. We ve already kind of expressed what
says, but it's interesting, I think,
masonry as being all about these clandestine kind of rights.
Damn near rituals and to me
what kind of fly in the face of being a Christian or someone whose very closely identifies with you now, but now
that's not the case that they believe they are hand in hand and one doesn't
acquired the unease. We talked about the re one of the only things you have to have as a belief in a higher power, and it does not matter what that higher power is in your mind as long as you believe that there is one
I wasn't Freemasons have been enemies.
I've been enemies of dogmatic, oppressive religions and
In the past have been enemies of oppressive governed
I mean look had look at the french revolution. Look how many founding fathers of the United States were affiliated with Freemasonry. It's kind of a theirs
dean, collegiate and salon like about it. Re idea the free exchange of concepts and being able to say well.
You know I
no not a hundred percent on board with this all Catholicism thing and not go to church jail,
ever thing voice was issued. Sorry outdone redress jail. I like that. I was so early call it. You know it's one of many enlightenment organizations like the rose accretions, you know there's more
very well. We were when we talk about the order of the pug member thou art
one firm, ridiculous history during his legs, but that was a French was not a friend
backlash against free raised by Freemasonry was outlawed in France,
so they made this other organization eyes. Voltaire was a Freemason
a very influential in french philosopher who wrote about oppressive governments,
an oppressive system, so interesting, stuff guys but yeah. I think that that does
for this one did you know? George Clinton was
the reason of parliament funk Medallic. No, the third
vice president of the United States,
my thinking he didn't piquant and others is that, because I knew you would think about that George Clean,
I want Anita, he's these mason a funk here,
I think, a lot. I think a lot of people would but would agree.
there. There is tangible benefit
to these organisations both for the individuals involved and for
often for the community's right, in which those those lodges exist, linked to the point about the Schriner and funding
go care afore I for the medium for children. I think I think they get vilified
this sometimes like we never did in episode on the Anti Masonic Party, which confirms mice
and in theory that, if you want, if you want something like that, like a political party or religion to be successful, you have to be aspiration.
and offering something you can't found a party just against something as when it. What are you doing that got me like
WAR, Polar bears, club, the polar bears are extinct,
but we already spent all this money on the on the chips and
in the catering so with Bristol Gonna get together while thats, really that's really great,
discharge able loud? This is:
is something relevant at some:
wait. Everybody listening re now or watching this go out, find a list of
the former Supreme Court Justices within the United States that were
or are.
Members of the free and accepted masons just interest,
two ceiling winning
still law and politics been as you as you noted earlier,
a lot of
People who are in government are applied
this organisation. Would I be correct in assuming that
Many of them who were Freemasons would be more on the Progressive Tipp. Then cancer
or is there really not much of a line there? So
such line. Honestly. It's tough because the definition.
what is or is not considered. Conservatives progressive has changed so
much over just a few centuries. You know like, of course, we're not that far
from the time when women voting was considered to be like this radical extreme idea. What's next we're gonna blow up the moon,
and then later you know a few days:
to go. We thought about doing just that. Well,
the most important former Freemason to me, as is clearly Robert Pershing, was low. The top
human on record, who I believe, is the guy that
These you'll see a sculpture outside most Ripley, believe it or not locations the world over and I think handsome family, as as abuse
four heartbreaking song about him, I do not know is amazing, but make sense. Also Matt. I m sorry, I don't wanna, keep us going too long in this by two
you raised about the justices. I would ask. Is it possible that
people at the higher levels of governments,
maybe higher levels of business as well just tend to do
more extracurricular activities.
Are they also like
over leavers, you're saying they like big in their h away. Do they go get like public notary certification because they just like the certificate?
it merely members. The toast masters is well rotarian, probably flint philanthropic organizations commanders.
Of everything, yeah yeah, the whole nine or how good ones it certainly is encourage. You know when you're in school I gotta get those extra count. Curriculum up to get into a good college only makes sense web we're we're talking about.
The differences in ideologies within within members of Freemasonry thing about this. The first director
of the FBI. J Edgar Hoover the guy
who called Martin Luther King Jr think I can't tell you these Aqua, but the most dangerous man, essentially within the United States at one point
in time,
the person who Institute go and pro and spying on people who are attempting to capture there
the liberties inequality that guy was a Freemason also
someone who is on the other side fighting for civil rights, Reverend Jesse Jackson was a free mason
or is it just really interesting to me that you can have this wide swathe of belief,
things that you would fight for, and
there was a girl in boats president's skull and bones. Think about that
no not to give way, also Ekstrom Thurman those in authority, especially Dixie, cracked, the republican senator who, from the state of joy,
Jeff, I'm not mistaken, I hope be burns. These bagging beg pad cat last one and then new darling. Remember there's a lot of interesting names here to talk about is this
I was not aware of this just as like a little bit of trivia, William Howard Taft
who was not only the President of the United States, but also how
position of chief justice, of the? U S Supreme Court,
and he's the only man never to have headed up these two to bring,
as government only president to be stuck in a bathtub as well as such
and just as a counterpoint, you know who else Richard prior go get it.
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and we are back to examine what is sometimes called a lifesaving organization and
times called
a branch of the
rather secretive.
I'll just say it scientology. Ok, we got
We ve got an email guns
EL from cliffs.
I want to give this to everybody and
it will follow up on it. Okay, so
if you said hello back into them,
twelve, I went through a narco non addiction programme in the mountains of southern California. Scientology uses these programmes to recruit people at their lowest and most vulnerable points. The entire programme is based on teachings by Hubbard, by which means L Run Hubbard the founder of
first I and then when he got sued the founder of Scientology. This is a topic
worth diving into says cliff, but, as I dont know, if you will read this I'll, just give you bullet points for now in a loose
these in their fairly brutal,
one, they lock you in a cabin in the desert, telling you that you may leave, but they will follow you with water and only give it to you. If you come back, they will not
your family or help during the first month. If you decide to wander off into the desert to
They say they have medical staff. This is staff they have trade
and ordained as doctors and nurses. Next they force you to sit side.
Whitley staring into another person's eyes for five hours without movement? They continue for five more hours. With your eyes closed, if you flinch shore,
start to do is off you start again. If you could,
in Scientology they move. You do isolation until you promised to stop invade
Large families, tens of thousands of dollars constantly asked for more money and say that we don't actually do Scientology here. They monitor your phone calls under threat, so you cannot say otherwise and then Cliff concludes
as with most rehab programs. They want you to take responsibility for your actions, but they blatantly take advantage of this to make you feel like a you are a little life and they Scientology, or do you
solution,
settle this says cliff. It probably does help some p.
but my honest and clean for many years now, thanks to them opinion, they scare
people away from rehabilitation and make folks think it is a form of prison
I know this is something that may be. We ve heard about before
but I dont know if we ve talked about market on on the air with each other. Halfway we haven't, have we
can't, remember a time unless it was
No, I don't think our drugs in the military would have covered it or our hallucinogens in medical research. Now I think this might be the first since we're because both
Church of Scientology, and nor can I see that it's a secular programme, it's completely independent
of the religious teachings of Scientology, but it seems like many people,
many people are disillusioned with dark and on or
family members who have gone through that programme. They D,
argued the opposite. They say it's a front group for Scientology with the ultimate aim of recruiting people. What are you guys think about that? Well
Is it actually in any way associated with Scientology? Yes, it is
it is like officially as an organizational its parent
Company is something called the
Sosius for better living in education way for able and able is,
owned and controlled by the Church of Scientology. So it's like a subsidiary of
subsidiary.
which means they get argue. We exist, independent of that region
have or are routes there ass. If you go scientology dot org, they have a whole section on drug rehabilitation and prevention, and that's the thing: that's it that's. What makes Scientology a bit you know. Insidious is
They ve appealed to people at their lowest their professional error, trying to get a foothold moved to Hollywood and in others,
two like becoming
you're screenwriter or whatever, and that's the story, always here
this is even more predatory, whereas people that are truly at their lowest points and perhaps
from wealthy families, are able to pay the money that it faces. Rehab ain't cheap
I always assume. Narco non was like Alan on and that it was just another
type of meeting that you go to
and then it was like a family situation that that it wasn't like rehab exactly but the
is really news to me.
our Non alcoholic,
I'm afraid, I'm sorry, that's different it, but yeah yeah Alan on separate from alcoholic synonymous, but I think it was. I dont think there
Gertrude or in conflict with one another
they think narc, nine
So our airlines, founded in nineteen fifty wine right, narco nine- was founded in nineteen sixty six
so without sounding concerned
tutorial. Is it possible that Hubbard
a similar name, Nero unpaid.
as a marketing or brand recognition thing and the more
read about Norka nine.
the more I see problems with just their treatment.
Nineteen seventy four.
For the church of Scientology said that nor coins rehabilitation programmes are based entirely on the tenants and teaching
Scientology
That means no sight psychotherapist
they right.
something that I wish you would have gotten into with them, with my
Are we really talk about the aversion to psychologists and and and psychiatry, and I can
probably guess why it is because it gives you agency over people, gas laying his hand,
and the tools to cope with abusers yeah, that's my two cents on one why that might be
here. Of course, there's there's there's a whole mythology wrapped up in it within the teachings of Scientology is fascinating stuff. I
idea about this connection now like without knocking on and Scientology zero. Oh yeah, oh, if you
get their website wishes. I went and organ on dot org and I was looking around trying to find something that says Scientology on it.
on their main page. I I did a quick little apple,
four Scientology, Annie
I found it nowhere. It's not on. There is not enough for a page. It does not
Scientology anywhere, at least in something that is searchable, and I can't find it.
anywhere in like a
image or something you know maybe just be invested in an image where'd. You go all the way to the bottom.
under our history. Our technology and you go to about nor Cannon
then you do a little apple, Afore Scientology. There you know intervened
zero? I dunno
viable mentions of Scientology, but if you go
all the way down again
underneath
some heading under about knocking on global mission. Fifty year, saving lives blah blah blah blah. Oh here it is ehler on Hubbard. Therein
there we gotta talk and talk about it. I want you to know right, yeah we're we have wanted to do. You know people the curtain. I wanted to do for a number of years, an episode,
dude. I'm problems
with rehabilitation programmes throughout history and narc. Nine has been in my
thought like on my radar for a while, but it's true,
because we want to make sure that were not first off. When I give
people, medical advice or legal advice and secondly, that we're not like. I don't want to do anything
That would stop someone who needs help from going to a rehabilitation delegation. You know, that's that's fresher important thing, but also you know
the thing about nor going on,
like he was one, the weirdest things about them in terms of their treatment
have you ever heard of nice? It like nice and bombs? Yes, yes, this is where some of that comes from
would do somebody with four thousand milligrams a day of nice and in
This is meant to do this
like part of a vitamin and mineral supplements, regimen that is simple.
to address preexisting
nutritional deficiencies,
help help you offset nutrient lost through sweating, but the nice thing.
Was back to Hubbard because he believed nice in would increase. I think it's free fatty,
acid and though
like the mobilization of free fatty acid and then it will
help. You get rid of toxins,
so they were, they were dose you up with these
massive amounts of nice and nice in
any other particular substance
tat, are a diminishing return. You know what I mean if you have too much nice and it can be dangerous for you. I've heard people
about using nigh to like spoofer, p, test
now for drivers and I don't know factually works or not by it.
In the same way that you're talking about the idea that it be, I think what it does. Is it like causes, EDA, sweat like crazy and causes like that
capillaries on your skin sort of expand and you
really read: that's my understanding, its interest.
I don't know if it actually works in autumn. It does fly
sue. I it does give you a flushed your skin. It's also
and in the and France. Because of this
you'll see one health agency in Quebec. Specifically that said they had
shut down a marker, nine in Scientology, Beast rehab centre because for separate clients
had been taken to the hospital do
do the methods used there. This is stuff lake,
having people dejection go, call Turkey off something, you know methadone or step downs, etc and end.
These long detox sessions in saunas that are meant to help. You sweat out drugs.
Euro know they pump you up with a tide of vitamin switch
may not always be healthy, for you is also quite expensive. So there's question about the profit motive, but yes,
in response to it,
female here it yeah very
seems that the very much seems that these,
to organizations Asians on in the church of Scientology are related. The question is: how independent
or they are in an cliff to you and other folks who have had experience with dark, and I feel that their
My goal was to recruit you into Scientology were to help you get clean. Can I read
the official I found it. I found it on their website the right laid eyes. Ok, so this is Norka Non, which is, but it's not spell. The way you may think it should
spelled, it is any r c, o n, o n dot org, just everyone knows slash drug
ash rehab, okay, this is really really says, since nineteen
fifty six superior results law,
term effectiveness, the
on programme is based on the discoveries and writings of Ehler on Hubbard. The found
of Scientology religion, however, nor can on is nonreligious in a person- does not become a scientologist. By doing the programme, Mr Harbour,
the humanitarian, whose works include discoveries in the fields of education, mental health in criminal reform, as well as drug rehabilitation. He began
research into drugs during the nineteen Sixtys and Seventys. When recreational drug use had reached epidemic proportions, he developed technologies to overcome the adverse
virtually every type of drug
wanting to help those lost to addiction, Mister
made his discoveries broadly available, and the result was the esteem
which meant of knocking on
who said it they know what's up the question- is just house
those organizations are. You know what I mean like
Be the only person who found out late night after
their series of poorly informed party in decisions that
Hoddan Toggle well run by the same organization. You know what I mean.
They literally split the building and half the blue my mind and the song about is quite good too. So maybe
maybe that's what that's one of the big Quest
it was like when someone is helping us
when you go into a program like nor can I would they make the same decision if they were
aware of its connections to Lee Organisation, known as Scientology. I mean that's, not a d
on either those organizations as just a question of
why that message is not
The centre on the website is mad at me. I you're really good,
you you're like Heaven knows for digging into stuff. We all do so if it okay,
that long. I feel like
We there are a lot of people who admitted you know what I mean: co, yeah yeah.
It's not easy to find that fascinating.
and there we leave it. Thank you so much lotta. Thank you anonymous!
former Mason, are not multiple anonymous former medicines and end. Thank you cliff
for writing in a we can't wait,
to hear more from you all. I think that we have found we found rich,
fodder for several full episodes in the future, assuming of course, that the big
Mickey doesn't get us, that's always a possibility, or you know, and as you
a fair man. Big rehab,
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