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by shiva, perfect portions cuts in grady zero mess. Zero leftovers snapped peel serve shiva what cats one who all this? Would you guys Matt knoll fellow conspiracy, realists every so often some of the craziest conspiracy theories do turn out to be true, not all of them not most of em but some of them so well yeah and some of them are in this episode in d. We always talk about how the concept of a conspiracy theory is like this thought. Terminating cliche, designed to you know, have whatever topic it's attached to to be viewed with skepticism, times, their worthy of a little bit more were digging, can sometimes If you dig deep enough, you find that grain of truth I remember which ones exactly or in here, but wait to release and find out how are right there with you from europe.

Two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now stop. They don't want you to know a production of iheart breed hello! Welcome back to the show. My name is matt, my name is no. They call me, then you or you- and you are here that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know. As always, we are accompanied by our super producer Paul decades, who we nod to with great gratitude. As always, thanks for saving the show fault, he dropped the mission control I feel like a euro if, if you weren't keep it under seasonal beast you now round the holidays million skull emission critical. names are legion, Paul, big, crit, dec,

all show, savour deck and show stopper. Even it's up to you. If you want stop it now, yeah, that's true poll! What what we'll do is we'll ask the listeners to submit some nicknames if you're, okay, with that's great, okay and then we'll put up a poll on here's where it gets crazy, the facebook group and have people vote on their favorite ones, yeah. like Matt Laguna did with agent Scully or alex bones. Now, that's true, almost alex bones almost alex bones everything that we just said at the top of the show folks turns out, to be true, although they may sound like rumours, we can substantiate all of those things speaking a fantastic segue. That's what this episode is about, how some segwarides

it's you right there. It was matrix level I'll admit not my best work now true, but but this is an important episode and it's a little bit of a collection a little bit of a mix. Tape in the first part of what we are aiming to make a continuing series conspiracies that turned out to be true. This first part will focus on some of the biggest go remained oriented conspiracy theories that genre conspiracy, theory, and these will be stories that four years or decades were dismissed as absolute tomfoolery, tinfoil hat country, but later turned out to be partially or in several cases entirely true. So, while we are focusing on some government conspiracies in this area We'd like as you, listen along to take new, take stock of the things that you have read: purse:

and let us know, through the various means of contacting us about conspiracies that you found to be absolutely true. They don't have to be government oriented just anything that was depicted as utter hogwash and later turned out to be. Absolutely factual area. When we say factual, we mean there are some type of documents to back it up there. Some type of acceptance in whatever field or community. This play this thing took place with. They call in the law in force in the world, an eyeball witness shore, and I have all witness or corroborating evidence of some sort of the yes. This was true or an eye which we did we

in an earlier episode. Somebody refer to people's eye wits. Oh that's good! That's the portmanteau for I'm all about brevity, yeah, the soul of wit, or just you know, wit they got so fat. Oh that's great! Now we should yeah. So did you this episode justice? We have to explore a little bit about how conspiracy theories are depicted in your neck of the global woods today. So in many ways the average english speaking person is taught A very particular interpretation of the phrase, conspiracy, theory and it's it's an interpretation that is at best, disingenuous and at worst, purposely misleading the, idea of a conspiracy theory as a term is often conflated with the idea of deception or delete

were a falsehood. This goes back to the concept of what certain psychologists call a thought: terminating cliche, a buzz word right, sue. We see buzzwords in so much of mass media. If you want to find the most simple way to encapsulate a thought of phenomenon or a group, you tried to distil into a single word. That's why people who think there was more to this to worry about the nine eleven attacks became cold truth hers, you could just say truths, and that means whatever you think it means, and the people that believe president Barack Obama was not of this country originally were called birthers exactly yeah. That's a great example and these examples are not just limited to the realm of conspiracy theory. You hear it refer to in so many different ways: hipsters, what's a hip

right, thicker flannel, wherein american spirit smokin. What is it they were. The shoes they were. One without him, stop right. Now is a happy here is where, like, like tom, toms leak, swearing the magical haircut have in just the mustache. Have they I'm just a mustache, feel it you're describing me. So I really appreciate those now god, king of the modern. It's good to be king, though so a thought, terminating cliche, the rest in this can be dangerous, is because, in that effort to succinctly describe something a lot of important stuff gets left out of the conversation

We have discussed in the past how colleen the idea that the uk is run by reptilian aliens who eat souls. I calling out a conspiracy theory in calling the fact that hsbc laundered money for drug cartels for years. I conspiracy theory makes himself like their equal when they are clearly not because one of those things actually happened. It is true. I wanted a tool to smear people whose opinions you do not agree with or are counter to your agenda. Rang label them. Conspiracy theories. You label you! U equate those two things that you just said or things like that and then people,

Do the thing that everyone does where you kind of distill everything down, and look at that one word and that's my narrative and we discuss before that. It was designed that way at least conspiracy theory, as a buzzword was designed that way after the jfk assassination for any alternate ideas as to what occurred and by gum we're taking it back for it yeah. It's often used to the term conspiracy theories often used to dismiss a claim without having to investigate the mirror. It's authenticity, or importantly, it's lack thereof. This bias is something that has crept out of the realm of mass media and intruded academic literature as well. For example, you can find easily find multiple studies constructed with the purpose of sk, covering or manufacturing a link between men, illness and what the study makers call conspiracy, theory and the different the year hinges. On definition, what makes one thing a conspiracy theory, the way we would understand it in mass disk.

And the other or another, and out now actual case people conspiring in secret to do something sketchy. The difference is all what's often referred to it's conspiracy, theory. What exists as a legitimate conspiracy often takes a back seat to the exploration of the psychological processes involved, as individuals and groups pair, analyze and prioritize certain forms of evidence, so we have to examine jeanne rows of conspiracy versus genres of conspiracy theory. So let's take one of the most popular out their conspiracy theories around now. Just to look at it. Real quick that is the flat earth, mean otherwise known as earthers, otherwise known as earthers yeah, it's flat earthers. But I'd like to me now in the in the in the spirit of brevity: let's call them earthers sure, that's better than flatters yeah. That's that's!

if you give me a lot of things, yeah and you know, mission, critical, p deck and actually has a friend who is creating a documentary right now, all about flatter talked about maybe having them appear on the show or in a look into it, and much like you know, the minds of the flatters and the earth hers flirt the whole deck and is currently absent. So we a minute yeah that get those worth it, I'm so sorry this idea, this flat idea fits general mass media definition of a conspiracy theory easily disproving easily just their mountains of evidence, or should we say vast horizons indicating that as well as all the rest of the planet's our species has been able to observe, or in fact spiritual. This evidence includes astronomical observation

this evidence also includes, on the ground, easily rapidly simple experiments that you can do right now in the comfort of your own whole. Sounds This information to me then check right because the The shadow on the moon is: is a total total high production value? David blaine ask overdue, but there is like proof for this: disapprove of this before we even have the technology that we had the damning guys like galileo, observed through very simple, comparatively telescopes and could observe celestial bodies. That indicated this was the case right yeah in ancient civilizations also knew the earth was round. Then you can do it today, even with the technology that they would have had at that time, you Stick a stick in the ground. You can work,

the shadow move as time passes with a little bit of simple math, actually which it you know, I don't even bother with math, just get another stick cool. We matrix dodged that when all you have to do is get to sticks and then stick them some distance apart and realise that if the earth were flat, then to sticks, indifferent locations would produce the same shadow they don't they have they never will it just doesn't happen because the earth is not flat. Nostalgia here say to me: I don't know you be in such a pill to you guys know NASA is controlled just the way the sticks, all the sticks are working together to try and you no fool. You don't believe big stick My fear is that people there really espouse this belief is just like us. Super super hipster throwback thing. They're doing it's like I wanna like live my life like I'm on chromatic manner, samples,

I do ironic brats instantly exit and then there is a group. I think we covered this in a previous episode on flat earth. There is a group that is arguing it entirely to be pedantic and their real argument is that one can argue anything effectively if you use the correct rules of rhetoric. People on the internet pedantic imagine it's insane what would be the cause conspiracy ever though if that were the algerian living under the guise, be I'd ask this question before you guys joint end right right, this, accomplish too, for whom who was getting rid of this hours, this keeping as in the dark in some way. That is actually valuable to literally anyone yes hold on a second, because we get to that so edition The rules are observed. We universe seem to be exceedingly consistent and all the proof we have there No evidence that any observable planet has been is or will be called on flat, whatever the hell that is supposed to me. This is a great exam,

for those of us in the crowded. Consider ourselves be harcourt sceptics, there's nothing. They can do prove the notion of a spiritual earth and to combat this dearth of proof for the idea that birth is not in fact spiritual. Adherence of the belief system like the ones who really really hook line in singer whip where it, therefore, the constantly widened the net of perceived collusion. So there's a world view wherein confirmation bias is key That means that not only is the bulk of scientific consensus from ancient times to two thousand and then a huge, consistent, snow job, but me in the people across the span of civilization, have somehow consistently cooperated in covering up the truth for

or, as you alluded to earlier, no one reason or another, but that's the final red flag here: differing camps of flat earth people who really believe in this people really advocate for this belief system still can't agree on exactly why this would happen, which is funny because to me that spirits. He feared the weird ones usually flow from some dis like disproportionate thing, will perceive as being wrong we're like they're, looking for a bogeyman to explain a phenomenon or like a inequality. Some kind. So there's that is absent here entirely. So, what's the with the reasoning for like seeking out this clearly disapproval wave thinking all the problems, is that most of the academic literature doesn't centre on those concepts themselves they centre on the psychological processes of the believers. That's! That's missing the mark interesting, but it's it's treating symptoms morceau I would argue, and we have

Remember this example: ok easily disproven! That's all media means when they say I conspiracy theory this example com, no play later? But let's take a another more more complicated example for comparison, like secret government programmes, were familiar. Those really how familiar? Let me maybe a curl the time unless throughout history and our sister of allowing document mission to be put out into the public domain after a certain a time. It just shows us that there have been rolling secret government projects and programmes in experiments in research throughout tie meadow, and they're still going. We just we are within that time bubble before any of this stuff can become public as it gets. I think it's declassified. We find out the good, the flavor of the types of secret programs there are, but I feel like now, it's worse than it ever was whatever is going on. Now is super dark and super weird, but here's the thing there are claims

unsubstantiated, claims of even crazier stuff that we don't have documentation for, and that is also existed in time. Memoriam Yeah we ve got this is a gene raw of conspiracy, theory and end that, like you, said, met the way. A typically happens is that there are the outrageous allegations of illegal conduct. Someone will say: where's the proof. You show me the money. There is a lack of hot. evidence. That's either due to the classification of documents proving that stuff or to be fair. It can also be due to the fact that people who say these things are lying or deluded, or, although I hesitate to use the word maybe less not say crazy, maybe let's say extremely misinformed. So what happens when this stuff comes true like when, when, as we pointed out, it is declassify, we see ya.

Our reset on the popular narrative when leaked or declassified stuff proves the people. You sounded crazy. We're telling the truth the entire time better. What says oh well, yeah I mean. Obviously we knew that we just you know whatever everybody knows that yeah, I'm not surprised, and that's the that's. My favorite part that sudden backpedal, I'm not surprised, and I I knew that was true. It's not very helpful to know no, it's it's a weird cousin to one of the most unhelpful things you can say. In any conversation I told you that was it if you haven't done by this. The other day has anyone ever did you said that you ad, said that yeah, it's nice to throw you down into the bus, but that's the worst. It's just not a it's! It's not in addition to a conversation- and it's probably not even true, I'm like when, when did you tell me How did that conversation? I'm sorry, I'm getting up in arms. it the same people say I told you so

It was good. I'm glad you're into your earlier statements. What you want to talk about now right. So we have to make important note here to recent technological breakthroughs, primarily in the field of communication, have drastically increased the pace at which these types of conspiracies can, he confirmed or the out in that goes to what you were saying about the bubble. The bubble is changing because the average person, if if the five of us us here in the studio in you listening we're alive in the nineteen sixties, we might have one or two things absolutely confirmed in this. John rose secret government programmes and we could easily go towards death bed, not knowing about the other stuff, just wondering if that weird thing the hippy told it's in haight, ashbury was true. You met him too. Yeah filled me a bunch of stuff man. He's really he's on one. He had a lot to say and in the twenty first century, though, where we live,

today its increasingly easy for a single individual one person to play it mendous the important role in history? Someone like an edward snowden, where Louise elizondo can relate to so fight information of their own accord and share it out with the world before any of the old orthodox suppression, methods can be deployed, and that means if wax a little bit poetic about it that all now have our hands the lids of innumerable pandora's jars and each one of those cannot be closed. Once it's open now, Now we used to have a situation where there would be maybe fifty five hundred people than you a secret right and several of them die. One of them maybe try They tell someone and they commit suicide, two shots to the back of their head. They they fall off a building. They take a permanent vacation in mexico, cyanide tab under

cyanide tablet under the tongue. But now, if we have fifty five hundred people have a secret, any one of them could just leak it easily. And it will probably ruin their life. But there's no way to get that information back and over the past few years we ve often discovered in the course of the show that their a grain of truth behind some of the strangest sounding fringe theories in some cases, we found these theories to be more or less absolutely true, such as mk ultra. That's I mean, I don't even think we should spend time on that one today, yeah, you don't have to prove or disprove anything. It's just out there. It happened. It happens. We paid for the government to give people lsd, but the weirdest thing about this is the rabbit whole continues its like looking into our fractal, we keep finding more stuff and we'd like to tell you about some of it. After.

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I had a large. I think I've tried to three men there haven't seen too. Have I ever I saw the first one to now pauses into either rarely off. Precision is no secret goes Paul said he seen one in three, but not too hush your mouth, our rhetoric, but where you unscrewed the joy knows about the project I address are everywhere the badges or out of the bag, it's true but but yeah. Ok, we're gonna, we're gonna intentionally skip some of the things we covered in depth on previous episode, as you are saying that this is about the government, one of the maybe we Maybe we look at this in terms of what it was a rigid they portrayed as in what was actually true about it. That's good! So, ok, what's our first, what our first one has to do who will leslie. Let's say the conspiracy theory, if you're walking up on the street. Somebody grabbed you by the shirts and a government. Is

by unknown us right now you were there the two that guy I let him yet. Originally. This was seen as the classic conspiratorial believe some It may be read nineteen eighty four a few times too many and became paranoid and became assured that the government was watching them. This is this is a complicated thing because paranoia is inherently narcissistic paranoia, inherently ca, this round the axiom that I, the some being observed, and somehow so important that eyes from afar people in high places are obsessed with me and what I'm doing This sounds like you were tell a little before of who I know. I have. we'll narcissism, slash paranoia owner, oh yeah, see Paul to I can. I can feel it now. You ok

No, I'm not ok, how I'd know just for the I'd like to go on record and say I don't like the way that you're looking at both of us not yet, but with a smile. I get genuine. Hang me smile or talking about something so dark, so they did that this, mental illness is a serious issue and we don't mean to derive at all anyone who is suffering from it. But this belief this paranoia belief. The government is watching my every move used to do tail very well with some symptoms of mental illness, and it made that person ran up to you on the street seem like a crackpot any easier he dismissed until that is double. The news came out like the actual news now yeah yeah said everybody, so the government is spying.

and all of us that there was a big case where a lot of really wise yeah really was and is around the time specifically, what mean there have been smaller stories about things like the echelon and some of the other projects and around the come around the countries in the world where they d, Yes, how? Yes, there are massive surveillance, grams going on shore. But when you know edward word snow, came forth and said guys, it's bigger. That is a lot more than that in its everybody knows that hippy in head ass, very said, I told you well yeah yeah he's got like shouted manners. I helpful he's gets himself the worker with himself, I fear the only thing yeah yeah, so this came out in increments. First, the news broke that yes, the. U S, government was indeed spying on people, but only certain I value targets there, spinal leonard peltier in the american indian movement right who they considered domestic tear

their spying on martin luther king, whom they consider a stabilizing factor. John Lennon, their spying on John linen because of what, because of his perceived left wing beliefs with cohen broke out or intelligence programme. There are going through and actually doing this all like consistently alot and then next big milestone, is the news breaks about monitoring international communication, so only certain high value, possibly destabilizing domestic individuals? or only international, your phone calls and stuff, because we stop terrorism and those exist, It is rumours, but they became substantiated by the acknowledgement of stuff like echelon or five eyes where, where five anglo sphere countries agreed to pass the buck and five loopholes in their own surveillance.

Us rice over the average american citizen- it's ok! Well, if I travel to another country, maybe I'm being looked at. Maybe if I'm a really important person in a movement somewhere, I'm being looked at right, maybe if I, if I attend did the same. You know democratic socialist party of america. With a celebrity or a musician. I might be on a list yeah man may romantic state university for any reason whatsoever, but otherwise normal jane or John Joseph. They don't have any they. They don't have any appeal. Why, with the Feds goat, the massive trouble of putting them under a microscope, it turns are actually yes they. Who have appeal, and yes, we did attract the attention and yes, uncle SAM was and is monitoring you same technological advances that allow people to leak classified in for You can very easily also

domestic surveillance to extend widely without exception. I mean ok with virtually without exception these valence techniques, depend on partnerships with private businesses, telecoms you're, eighteen, t v, rising comcast and we shall media platforms, instagram facebook, but what does I'm company same company Elinor yet area? I needed it. Everyone, patriot tumblr tom, heads of nature and there's legislation that was pushed through in the wake of public unease over terrorism then allowed for the first time in human history, the first time in human history allowed the majority of the population to be intimately traced. Should they catch the attention of the? U s government right now. Well, don't be too paranoid. We know one of two alarmist write about but right now, if you somehow rose to the level where you got personal attention from the internal,

its agencies. In the? U s in a the short amount of time, the no more about you, then your loved ones know about you, which is a spooky spooky thing, and it doesn't matter whether or not you have seen yeah. That's for me. It does matter. If you're a liar under him. I don't know about you, but I'm just an enigma. A liar I was looking at your card is gothic and keep a close to the west. a man? So that's ok, so that's one! That's one thing that turned out to be absolutely true, and this is happening as we record this episode, not for nothing that have we made that running joke where we well, I guess assigned to do it again, where we apology eyes too, that poor hypothetical in aceh in turn, who asked the listen to this show it's gonna write, man having we're from you in awhile, and he gets us into the show, are monitoring our personal phone calls. He might be

Both I mean staff to be, and in turn he probably has a good transcript on one thing in his house and into the arms of non here, but on one side, yea and another. On the other, a waiter, multitask river name form. We used to call him steve that he in turn turnover so quickly. I wonder if that's a new guy now or he is a pretty common name that can be a different guy named steve at this yeah, maybe, as may be as a government assigned name, it's just like johnny blank cases to Russian bought. Now this can, we call are in turn ricky that way it could be they'll whatever or fluid actual ok ricky, where we hope cool is going well for you and her school spy school, stick with event and hope, you're summers going right feel free to write to us conspiracy or how stuff works out. On that note, another subject: era of what we're often called conspiracy theories that turned out to be absolutely

and, in this case horrifically true in the years worldwide. Leading up to it and during the war the american public was sold. This fantastic idea, listing shining image of what the? U s was, and what the? U s would become the united states. Ok, everybody and here's where it gets crazy and trying to hit the tea. The? U s. If you do well sure ragging you about them. Oh man, you ever learn it out like knighted, it's gonna, it's the battle has been fought back. True I accept that. I think it's hilarious, knavery shaded, don't don't don't justify these monsters wasn't it better, though, when it was youtube, com enters with just awful screen, name saying it fast, because in I or I seven I loved, because there would be very salient points. There would be people writing for paragraph essays that had fantastic and faint.

Ass the perspectives and then their names are be like surfer boy, booty time Well, that's a great point: surfer boy, booty time there it the traveler treatment, buoys hide. It should be like a ranch, a comedy. It's one heck we're pick up land but to the the? U s and the allies were portrayed as in arguably the good guys with a nation, united behind them, every red bloody, jane and john dose. It was doing their part. if at home or you're, on the front to prevent the dastardly axis powers. So in chaos and atrocity across europe, north africa, asia and possibly beyond, and there was propaganda. They came out propaganda plenty that portrayed the axis as insanely violent powers raping pillar? in murdering and even experimenting on innocent people in their possession. Of course, the

you think about the propaganda? Was the racist stuff was completely inaccurate? Obviously, but the propaganda about the violence was largely accurate in a very disturbing way and by implication with this propaganda was say that the? U s and the allies were the polar opposite of access forces. Fighting for the sea indignity of these strangers oceans away. Just because we're good people do that decent, you never fighting for justice. For all. Now there were few outliers anti war activist or any one who had the gall to suggest that the? U s was not as clean and This merges it would have its citizens believe they were at best dismissed. They were most often accused of being seen eyes were traitors, and in some occasions they were completely black, bald from their own industries, where they were persecuted by the government up to and including chris

the charges and jail time or you know there are put into prison camps like most of the japanese american citizens right or they were, into asylums because they were crazy. How could you say stuff about uncle sam, isn't he like a fictional character? He is based on a real person. Does Irena. You never said on them and yet another, but wait. What actually happened, though well actually turns out the? U s was kinda illegal experiments on its own citizens. Yes, as well as foreign populations for decades d, in world war. Two and the years following the government paid particularly close attention to the effects of radiation. In all human beings. I wonder why bend yeah? What do I do looking to see how things might pan out in some sort of dystopian future ding ding,

Give the me a pass passing in omaha state user when this round it is absolutely true. It's a good thing. They volunteered right kitty, they had no idea no idea what was happening or unsuspecting beginning roughly nineteen, forty five scientists working directly for the. U S, government conducted at least at least thirty separate programmes in which they knowingly and purposely exposed isn't us citizens to life changing or in many cases, life, ending amounts of radiation, as is shortly after the discovery of plutonium in the early nineties, forties in one case, the directly shot people up with plutonium. Just to see what would happen. Mgm like superpower, instantly. I've pain is a superpower than they were like the x men, they d they took. Eighteen people were terminal illnesses and they said we are going to give you experiment.

Treatments we are going to. We may not be able to save your life and we cannot predict the side effects both of those things were technically true, he said, but it may link, then your life span- and this gets really dirty, really quick. If I wasn't even sort of true the lengthening the lifespan- and I was just sort of like a hawk yeah yeah can dead poor exactly exactly so what they were doing, what they were actually doing. That is what they were hope to take the information they gain, just like just like you had said, and use it to plan for scenarios when u s suffered a direct nuclear hit conditions, men and they also gave Children and pregnant mothers, food and drink, old with radiation. Several, however, their old pregnant women around when the new hit course. So what will what will happen? Let sacrifice you know a handful of actual

all children now with the rationale being that we're doing it. So we can save kids later. Remember that guy we talked about on the on the other. Show ridiculous history of the poison squad who purposefully ate poison contaminants in food yeah that was volunteer, harvey yeah harvey but this is way more nefarious and terrifying comes from the same mindset, though you know so here's the other part they they took active soldiers that what they would later send a war. They marched the mover radioactive dirt and active test sites and and when these non consenting patients died, with no knowledge that they were dying of radiation, poisoning, the? U s. Government would go back in secret and rob their graves to study there. Yeah, including infants. Yes, sir we're talking digging up. Children, cutting off limbs

seen what happened here, who is doing? The digging was just low level like office girls, more ok, so there One thing we know about for sure this thing called project sunshine. I sound like fun. Nice doesn't, it sounds wonderful, I think, has what to do with the brightness of an atomic blast than anything else for the fact that sunshine gives a cancer yeah. That's very true, sir, who in this it was the united states at all energy commission, along with the thing there would eventually become the rand corporation working together, so's some but he employed by them either direct employees or contract workers and in what they would do with this. It lets say what they wanted to do. They wanted to study the effects of strontium ninety, which is the most, dangerous isotope, radioactive isotope that exists as nuclear fallout, and they knew this from a previous project.

And in this case they wanted to studies, especially young human flesh and the effects of strontium. Ninety so where's men was saying, like looking at people who they had already kind of dosed whither experimented with and dug up their bodies. In this case there trying to find it recently deceased bodies, specifically infants. young children in that kind of thing, get tissues, apples and then test, though samples. So they would do everything from go to a morgue and taken arm of a you know: child that had recently deceased without asking their family members without asking anyone in they can use it and then testing it and then disposing of it later, and they there were at least fifteen hundred test subjects in project sancho cheese or just the deceased victim deah before or pieces of the year, and you would say many most, if not all, of those came from the active

grave robbing it's not a lot of, it wasn't grave robbing it was It was a sneaking samples from more more, more lifting morgan's yeah there need there is. there's a policing go just really quickly. If you want to check this out rand, dot, org. Actually, you can find it and it is worldwide effects of taught atomic weapons project sunshine. In its dated august sixth, nineteen. Fifty three of a guy, I figured out the worst praise for this more mooching ooh, that's rumbling on a side note with this. I we find an interesting biographical tail here. It is the tale of albert Stevens outward stevens with someone who fell into the web of illegal government radiation

experiments in the u s in nineteen forty five, he was a fifty eight year old house painter. He had been told that he was suffering from terminal cancer with only months to live the truth is that he was suffering from a severe gastric all sir, but he had doctors tell him. It was cancer, so he was admitted to the university of California san francisco medical center to treat the cancer that he did not have to get cough cough treatment? Cough cough was kafka treatment. cough cough treatment. Is me really pointing out that they were lying to ic? How I got hit while I'm slow. Today you got a beer, so sky this poor guy albert he as he says, given, humans, to live on, may tenth of that year, scientists working for uncle sam, pretending to treat the cancer that he did.

Have secretly shot him up with the single largest amount of plutonium, a human being has ever received to the modern day, is one microgram, the sample, add two different isotopes of plutonium was a cocktail. What are the isotopes, whose we lee radioactive, so still dangerous, benign immediate that sentence. It had a half life of twenty four thousand one hundred years, while yeah and then the other highly radioactive isotope had a half life of about eighty seven, a little less than eighty eight years he received free medical and additional testing for the rest of his life from same group that riddled his body with radiation and his family thought this experimental cancer treatment was working because he didn't

have cancer and he lived more than a few months. In fact, you live twenty one years suffering the effects of this cartoonish amount of plutonium that stayed in his system in his bones. In his skin in his organs. His spying was degrading horrific rate. His eyes were fighting in a losing battle with cataracts, and he was still there with the doctors who were cough cough, treating cough caught him and they can do do operations while he was alive to remove parts of his organs to see what was happening to the tickets. Spleen parts of his liver is pancreas is nodes his family. The whole time is saying wow. It's amazing that you have survived cancer. Thank you for this experimental treatment. He died. Twenty one years later, on january, ninth nineteen sixty six of a heart attack

during those twenty one years. He was alive. He received more radiation than any other living human being. Sixty times the government's maximum safe lifetime exposure threshold. We turns out as a real thing there. Now now it feels like a ticking clock. Every time you have to go through the airport security lie or use a microwave while we're getting extra civil? So is a tunnel asian that this gentleman had pumped into his body end. Here the thing we ve been talking about all these radiation experiments, but we're about to get into something that is a very different kind of horror and where you get into that after a quick word from our sponsor than a definite and bill in, world, where modern technologies rapidly reshaping our day to day lives. The new podcast technically speaking and intel podcast uncovers the remarkable ways: tech,

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round led dismissed throughout the united kingdom and Europe as a whole, and for decades People like David Ike musicians, like johnny rotten, various former members of Britain's entertainment industry, or even its government, alluded to this conspiracy and they were ignored. It were They ignored the opinion social standing. They were simply dismissed or they were ridiculed. They conspiracy was this that there was an active, ongoing child abuse network in the u k and for more that members of the entertainment industry and the government. The people with their hands at the levers of power were colluding to cover this up, not to cover it up and stop it, but to stop people from reporting it as it continue nea. So the

People who alluded to this. Many of them were convinced that there was this child abuse network and that it will be actively covered up. Some of them, like David I'd, were dismissed as crackpots or johnny right, was dismissed sometimes has as their version than internet trolls, just intentionally poking the bare attempting to be edgy through making controversial statements from the sex pistols. yeah. There were a couple interviews where he would hint at knowing people high up in the entertainment yeah yeah, John leyden does name yes. Yes our union originally said johnny run. I thought maybe this is like a screen name or something they realised with actual thee. Johnny run credit to know this part of his story yet and the sea The same dismissal went for people who alleged their careers had been threatened, not just in the initiative.

in industry, but in law enforcement as well when they attempted to blow the whistle on what they saw as an inter generational cycle of crime, the people name, There's criminals in frankly, monsters in the situation, including numerous in keys government officials, aristocrats perhaps most notoriously the one that we know about in the: u S, the very creepy. Friends, entertainer Andy, J, the late jimmy seville near the story, just But the point out here, members of parliament is mps just in case. Oh yet. Yet I don't know why that just came to mind. That's why I was thinking military these in my head for a moment, as I know so, late, parliament psychedelic, yes, members of parliament, Fidel EC, who also make laws in Is there then diagram here yeah? No, I think it's good to point that out, because

remember, we thought everyone knew about Matlin. I know now, I'm a paranoid about everything you didn't get him at the books Are you guys? I mean I dunno. We can't assume that everyone had the same upbringing right. We all kind of grow up in this part of the neck of the woods. So I don't even know they have scholastic book fairs everywhere else, I'm sorry, I don't everywhere really yeah I was. I was turning thing. They had like road cases for these books yeah, would they didn't have everywhere? Is Jimmy seville dancing around onstage talkative, children in being completely not creepy top of pops re employee. I was, Yes, so here's what actually happened. Here's what gave truth to what was dismissed as a conspiracy theory sometime soon, the heavenly that are ruined people's careers if they said they thought any part of it was true These people were universally men passed away after they were dead. This is important, after they were beyond the bounds of mortal judgment or human legal system

The press was finally allowed to admit. Oh yes, turns out. That is true. People live, Jimmy seville and Cyril Smith were admitted, improving to be cereal abusers and quite prolific. Jimmy seville in particular, was not just sexually assaulted, children who is also purposely targeting disabled children and to add a little bit of morbid icing on the cake here, there's pretty compelling evan instead, he was sexually assaulting corpses, as well as non a at one of the hospitals yeah. He was, I think, on the board of. Is there any sense that he had leg people colluding with them on their software. We see all my god near god, if not, if the actively participate in these things with hidden. Looking the other way here, if you were probably not going to go into a tunnel

the details about these guys, any us as detailed as will get yeah or as what they did. But if you have the stomach for and you want to know what the real monster is like. We were discussing off MIKE Cyril smith and said that he was known to be doing after the fact, so you can look it up if you wish, but were probably going to discuss it here right. So we bring this up, and this is very heavy stuff they cause. It is employed for this to be separated from that dismissive realm of conspiracy theory. Yes, ok, David Ike has said a lot of things that cannot be proven. True, it turns out. We are you can call it is that you can call it that thing, we're maybe a broken clock is right twice a day or something like that call what everyone it turns out that this cover.

at least partially is absolutely true. This is conspiracy. Fact, at least in the broad strokes of the claims accusations. These powerful men were literally getting away with incredibly violent, wrapper simple crimes with the knowing and continual support of facets of the uk government. You you may ask why? Why why No knowing. How did the government about that? You remember. A lot of this is either. an mp of some part of the government or somebody like Jimmy seville, who is working directly for the government through the british broadcasting, cooperation and hard not being with the aristocracy yes receiving commendations aplenty. So we do have to acknowledge the while. The broad strokes of this are true the rumours when even further, and continue to do so, claiming that there might be some sort of a cold aspect to these crimes, claiming that apps

lately, everyone was involved or is involved, and we don't know we don't have proof of that. But what we do have proof- of, is that numerous files implicating living retired members of the uk government, some of whom may a pathway by now have gone missing and despite multiple calls for investigation from the british, blake and some less cynical government officials who were tried to do right by their constituents. This series of events seem set the play out like the notorious the true affair in belgium near troubling least similar near london, while and we have to remember that its also he or even in the u s, not so much at a federal. Level, something like this occurring, but in nineteen, eighty, eight, something Where did happen in alma oman Nebraska, where there was a community federal credit union. That was it raided by federal agents and

was found out that there was this guy named lawrence E larry king, whose behind some serious things there are allegations of child sex trafficking and power institution and rape and all kinds of things with with boys. Young boys that came out as an actual occurrence here within the united states. These kinds of things have happened over the years and we just have to keep in mind that it's not always a conspiracy theory right and we have to also be respectful of the victims involved, whether those are the direct victims of the crimes or the people who had

who are somehow punished for bringing that stuff to light knowing it was occurring, even the people that get slandered on the sidelines that actually don't have anything to do with it, but they get caught up in tribute the larger parts or the fringes of the theory, because this is the kind of meat that sells in tabloids. You know so news organization or tabloid entertainment, outfit be incentivize to report this kind of stuff like stuff with the vatican. That's been trickling out over the past few years and we recently had the pope napa but come out and apologize for staff

in behind one of these archbishops that headlight clearly covered up a lot of these sex crimes, mind you know, priests and he you know our current art. The current pope came out and said: hey I'm. I made a mistake, mensa big deal and talk about a conspiracy. I mean my jack, something that's been going back generations and it's just been covered up and covered up and now. Finally, in the wake of everything that's going on with all the sex

you, sir criminals being brought to justice or at least brought to light it. So this critical mass may now- and then you your- be also have this pope it's a little bit more human than were used to and will come out and own up to this stuff is interesting to see, never live, and we can only hope. We can only hope that substantive change comes out about this, but for the case of the uk cover ups, the scariest part of the story is how much we don't know. We do not know if it stopped. We do not know if it continues today. We do not know whose involve how they might be connected, or what people in the uk can do to try and prevent children in their country from falling into the clutches of this kind of thing. If it still happening again, it would be unfair, for us to say, is definitely still have

we don't know because all the reports about it keep disappearing there, but I? U we can't, and on that note I don't go in a little longer. We can't incompletely and that no, maybe we can talk about a man, science, conspiracy, theory that turned out to be true. That sounds fun, but it, it government related. It is ok with endless, do: ok, ok, we'll do one more matt will allow it. Then you met here's, the here's, the gist. It sounded like something straight out of a dime store fiction, novel a brilliancy or villainous organization uses the other patterns of earth itself as a weapon for years. What splits go back that man on the street situation the mat brought up earlier for

here's people would have situations where someone runs up to them and, as I mean you know what they're doing out there in alaska up the harp, your change in the weather, man, global warming is made by uncle SAM consistently tornadoes come from our weapons asked hurricane, his twister. It turns out that they Y gotta make a hurricane still morgan our doings american failure. So, sir. let's throw in a british guys with doesn't seem like we're here now just what I get I sell south we're we're southern we get to that. When can can bet that? That's exactly that's, we can think so. I think so. I do really make an blizzards too there we go sick of all these blizzard blizzards everywhere idea. I'm up in new york city alley were losing. We would like

listeners. Let me ask you: pay: have you heard of harp? they're. Changing the weather like a mad bastard, so delicious beverage, sharp member, so ok, so hopefully with a rag. Others are too much, but it was a very popular thing, often dismissed as a conspiracy theory, if not harps, specifically, the idea of whether modification people were dismissed is total tinfoil had not yet abs and the mass media would say no one can control the weather. You guys that's that what's the what's next, They were be literal where we say it's raining: cats and dogs back to eugenics. There they were dismissed, but it turns out actually while there is no solid proof that harp ever was intentionally affecting the weather and a lot of harp stuff is not

once you dig into the files? It's not near his mysterious or sexy is you might think it is still pretty vague emitted laden, but if we bracket harp out of their there's, absolutely Proof that multiple governments, not just the u s, also notably china, have experimented with what, with weather and continued to experiment with it, both as an agricultural tool and as a weapon and guess which one our country used it for just you know, I mean you guys already know what you're talking about the rain making super villain. Do that's one that the us government in vietnam you whether as a weapon to combat communist, worse cool, because we know another story amounting guy who tried to save san diego from drought and claim that here a manipulate whether by shooting this, like special cocktail of chemicals. Up into the clouds that he had devised,

supposedly it worked so well that it flooded the reservoir and caused thousands of dollars damages and they ran the I had a town and a real and he didn't get paid na near yeah. He did. The work, though, did to the work, but then wasn't there a thing to wear like this was used clouds being technology was used like as a kind of a firework display at the olympics, yeah to prevent to prevent or whether coming in to moscow couple tie in moscow in a couple other. Citizens, beijing, sochi, some reason. I thought I read that it was like used as part of the like some sort of like big showy display. That's interesting, I mean the thing is whether modification technology specifically cloud sitting, which is the moose, while the form of this this technology, we still don't know exactly what it is capable of

Just like all the mad scientist from those previously mentioned, dime store, sci, fi novels were messing with things we don't understand. Maybe there is some things man was not meant to do. Maybe we spend so much time ask ourselves if we could do something that we skip the part We ask ourselves whether we should do a thing. Just a quick aside. China did spend only thirty million dollars to make it rain in advance of the opening ceremony too, the late, those neighbouring that's right, yes, exactly and others as well, our aim as misunderstanding, and I then you had to do with the opening ceremony, but it what, but they were literally trying to control the weather so that it wouldn't would rain earlier and not when they wanted to look nice and pretty to single, have the range is changed. The schedule exactly bets, controversial, nay, used salt and mineral filled bullets they shot in the sky. Much like our rain, making supervillain incendiary. They used cannons specifically. Yet

they still. China still has a weather modification bureau there much more transparent about then the? U s ever was as kudos to then there also, arguably largely using that as an agricultural, knowledge we used as a weapon hoping to trigger mudslides, disrupt trading communication and transit routes during the vietnam war conflict in south east asia. Right now, as we recording this, both of these countries can reproduce these effects to day. Any given time. All they need is a place to set up the sky guns their guns and then they can lead a role. But the problem is this: you might ask yourself what they can do that wire, having so many reports of catastrophic climate related events occurring. The thing is both of these country,

These can mess with the controls of the world's global weather. system to a small degree, but neither of them can control the consequences of what happens, because, don't don't think of the weather, like a string that you can pool with that leads to a cloud that makes rain when you pull the strings. Instead, it's a lot more like a wet and you pull a piece. the web. You affect the rest of it here. We also can't control any of the large mechanisms. Like the air flow, the around the earth. We can't effect how the northerly you are gonna, be affected. We can do a thing like that. Currently at least what we know about is just adding more. Stir or taking it away, essentially, media. We don't know how that affects things. So, with the case that oh just mentioned earlier, with charles mallory hatfield out in san diego, the same thing happened. We can create the effect we have no means of controlling it. So imagine that you have

this tremendously power. Like ok, let's listing that this way, Let's say you have a gigantic plain, and you can do two things with the play you can make it so that it never flies, or you and started, and you can get it up in the air once it's in the air, the controls don't work I don't know. What's gonna happen, it goes where it wants it crashes it can. It can drop a bomb knows it hits another plain who knows, and that may be one of primary reasons that we don't see. Or whether modification happening now, because the technology is the basis It is pretty easy to understand, or other governments can do it. There are a couple of internationally. it's where people say: okay, we're not going to use the weather as a weapon, but an exact science, though right. It's kind of rolling the dice like there's a lot of factors in play

like your europe you're making the initial you know shot, but after that, it's out of your hands the god's hands, as they say, yeah I get you if no control right and this this is a this is just one example of a conspiracy theory based in science. That turned out to be absolutely true. At this point, we are scratching the surface. We hope that your listening, you have taken note of other things, were once portrayed as conspiracy theories. That turned out to be absolutely true. If that is the case, we'd like to hear from you white, what a events or phenomena have you found to be at least partially true? It doesn't have to be.

all the way. True because, as we know, rumors a treat they grow exponentially, but have you found anything that people thought was other utter hogwash that had a a a pearl amid the amid the swine of deception or misinformation, and also also one thing of what he was thinking about? Doing some thank yous at the end, credits at the end turn will first. Thank you very much paul mission critical set for this episode, a cream literate Yes, no takes far thanks. Bob is tinder thanks so much to super producer paul. Thank you very much to our the person who does our right up for our podcast diana brown. Every time we have a pike sql, you can find in house of works a quick. So you shouldn't what's happening, you know if you want a shared round around with your friends. Please do so dances. They are glide who takes care a lot of that work for us to working with them yet

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