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origins of some of our favorite foods and we're going to explore the whole concept of ownership, what it means to own son thing! Why we as humans liked to own things? Why we like to own a lot of things. Why and why? Some people own too many things first up today, the topic is deja vu, Two thirds of people say they have had the experience of deja vu that feeling that what you are experiencing now you ve experienced before, and there are all kinds of things greece as to why it occurs. Some people believe it up a normal experience, others think it's just a glitch in the brain and other things is that it is simply one eye perceiving an event a fraction of a second before the other eye. Does data was really hard to study, because no one knows when it will happen, and there is no evidence to look at just peoples. that had happened, but here's what

we do know about deja vu. It decreases with age, it increases with education and income. It is more common and people who travel are politically liberal and religious more likely to occur indoors during leisure activities and when the kurds is typically last ten to thirty seconds data. Occurs more often in the evening and on weekends than it does in the morning or during the week, and we use the french. Third deja vu, because english doesn't an equivalent word and that something you should know think for a moment about all the things you own probably own a lot of stuff, you often hear p complain that they have too much stuff. They need get rid of stuff. Maybe you ve thought that So perhaps you ve had a yard, sale and people.

And by your old stuff. So you have room to go out and buy new stuff. What? is it about owning stuff that is so important. What does it mean to own? Something? Here? with some really interesting insight and research on the topic of ownership is bruce. Hood bruce's, a professor of sight, ology at the university of bristol and author of the book possessed Why we want more than we need? I bruce welcome. I might thinks about me. I am sure, will this whole concept of accumulating stuff and in trying to accumulate better stuff in bed stuff, then your neighbour has and always wanting stuff. It must scratch, some sort of psychological each in people. Yes, you know me: the point made by Adam smith, who many regard as one of the founding fathers of modern economics, and he pointed out that there, a emotional relationship, a feeling of status. satisfaction when you

wealth in a poor person feels litter thinking The phrase is ashamed of their there pretty. So there is a sense of achievement and the fear of of not having things, but I ran about, I think, Thorsten deadline is probably the sociologist coined the term conspicuous consumption, which is this really interesting phenomenon that he noted the people would assuming they had. The money would prefer pay or by aid, for example, a silver spoon as opposed to speed meda based metal like pewter, because They use this as a way of showing up to others how much wealth they had said. The waves signally, your success to others. Something I've noticed that I, to get you to comment on is that for many of the thing is that we want to acquire it's the wanting. It's the the thrill of the hunt of getting it more than it is having it like

you know you really want that new car, but once you have the new car very quickly, Becomes your car and it's you not wooing and eyeing over it every day. It's just your car, but it was the getting it that so exciting same thing with a lot of it. Things we by its the thrill of the hunt I know this from personal experience. I went through a phase of collecting antique movie posters. That's my! I have a passion for the nineteen fifties be movies. You and others too dreadful so we re art the science fiction, films. Well, there posters are generally very full because they for all their money and resources, the post is not the actual film, but in any event, these are now works of art. So I went through a phase of of collecting these and I discovered you could buy them on.

Ebay on online auctions and I seen describe myself bidding for things I didn't really want, but it was the whole through The chase of the potential of of acquiring the the item that really was driving my adrian. This actually born out with some really interesting research. Looking up the activation in the brain, These are using studies called a functional magnetic rest, this imaging studies and- and they show you which areas are lighting up during various activities and what bride knots he's a research behind it. What he discovered was that the area the reward centre, the area which gives you that sense of pleasure and drive,

When you're, anticipating the the arrival of the the goal, then that's what's really motivating behavior. When you actually get it, it doesn't seem to be so satisfying. So that's the the pursuit of things- and I think there are a lot of I think a lot of your listeners will probably recognize that the the prospect of going shopping or the the thrill of the chase is were thus often really what we find ceasar asylum when you take it home, I'm gonna get you said very quickly, because the other side of the human behavior is we adopt two things very quickly. We think this will be the most satisfying purchase, we're going to ever make we got a home and yes give her bit, and then we want the next thing so we're on this relentless treadmill of trying to find that you know to recover that that joy of the chases that were one category of stuff- that I think many of us struggle with is the stuff

We get from our parents that we get handed down you you're, just so reluctant to get rid of it. I have I have drawer in my office. Here, a bag full of promise, Lee relatively worthless. Jewelry that came from my mother and ended came to her from her mother. I could no more give it away or throw it out. It serves absolutely no purpose, except that takes up space in a drawer, yeah you're lucky. I have a whole attic full of furniture from my and law suit fortunately passed the way up, although to be honest, we are not working away or getting getting rid of this, and I think that's a very important point. You've made there is and our connection with material things isn't a financial transaction when it comes to things which belong to people, especially relatives them

they acquire sentimental value. People feel very strongly about. Sentimentality is really important. Motivation. I think in are emotional connection, to physical objects, and I mean do research in this area, for a number is actually I got in should he might be about this. But I got really fascinated by this by looking at my young daughter at the time Martha who developed this really peculiar behaviour attachment to a blanket. Now I didn't know this attachment. Behavior again, I'm sure many of listeners with Chung young children will recognize exactly what I'm talking about is usually a blanket or a teddy bear and dog. She became inconsolable if this object went missing, and so we had to take it everywhere, and it was just this ridiculous behavior. it was a blanket she had. We had to cut it in two so that we always had a spare backup, because you know the the worst thing possible was if we lose it.

Moreover, when we bought a second one- and she knew there were two- the second one even though it was identical. She didn't like it had to be original now. This connection is emotional, emotional connection with objects and, in particular, authentic original objects. And sentimental objects evokes and most of us are this, this concept called essential. Isn't we we think that there's a dimension, if you like it when used for want of a better word, a property of physical things which make them unique and irreplaceable? So I often use us example for people who don't immediately get when talking about awaiting ring. Imagine at your wedding ring needed to say, go back to the jewellers to be room he repaired. Maybe it had a little neck of it and it works. little dead and the jeweler decides to remove the damage but and replace it with a bit of gold from mouth was workshop. Would you think it's the same ray and people say ass is still the same? Rainy is just being fixed, has been

It's been modified, and I say well imagine that you go back every day for the next couple of years and each time you replaceable bit of gold. Is still the same ring and people are mistaken. still the same ring if this transition is gradual, but I can imagine that dual than accumulates all the gold is taken away in a crisis second ring, which is the original ring, and that really flomax, as people cause. I can't really figure out, is that the same wringer, because if he went if he took the ring in the day on the first day that you are getting repaired and he gives you a different ring, you'd say: that's not the same ring it's as if there's a property within the things that we feel connected to, that is it's it's organic like it is. This is the essence of the original ring and this factors into a lot of our rational. thinking about the value of things, and this is why an original work of art is worth so much more than I identical duplicate, even though you couldn't tell the two apart now

People say oh well, that's all to do with supplying the man and so on. It it's to do with a psychological connection of authenticity with who create the original piece of work who wore before, and this is why people valley clothing has been worn by celebrities and is one of the reasons that we value the personal possessions of those that we care about emotionally and by the way, there's a flip side to this sort of positive contagion. It also explains why people would be very reluctant to put on the clothing of a killer vicious one of the stance I did several years ago to demonstrate the power of it. I told people I showed them this card again. I said the How may you be willing to wear this cardigan for twenty bucks and people with their hands up and said? We should still be willing to wear it if he knew it was worn by Geoffrey Dahmer, the mass murderer and, of course, seven per sandstone. So there is this belief that stuff things have a kind of almost spiritual connection

with the previous honours. There's an example of just what you're talking, about that. I remember from a few years back that I want to ask you about. I'm speaking with bruce hood. He is faster of psychology at the university of bristol and his book is called possess Why we want more than we need this episode brought you by united airlines. What's new with united you and redesign plans with things like larger overhead beans, with room for everyone's roller back power outlets, every seat, means at every seat and the ability to connect your bluetooth headphones to those greets planted trip today are united, com or on their award, winning abbot final delivery schedule subject to change. This episode is to you by effects is the bear. The hit series return with dear me and why, in the golden global winning role of car me, he and the team will transform their family sandwich shop into a next level spot all while being forced to

together in new ways as they confront their pass and reckon with who they want to be in the future. Ethics is the bear all, those now streaming only on hulu. So was what we were talking about reminds me of John Lennon's piano the piano that he supposedly wrote imagining it's not a great piano, it's just kind of beat up old piano, but it sold four zillions of dollars because he supposed, we wrote. Imagine on it and because of that people attach a great deal of value to it and she went on tour of you remember, and they went to locations or america and people were cars, should touch and feel that, mrs, this, this real strange behaviour when it comes to physical contact, it's as if you can imbue the spirit or live the positive energies that you want to call back I'll bet. It also explain

you know why people will treat areas as sacred why land can become sacred yoke. Take a lot of the company in the Middle east to some that land is obsolete, just desert, but because it represents for for many people, their origins, their homeland. It sacred, I think, that's true for many artifacts things come. You know suddenly take on this new dimension it's true of almost anything in the sense that it has value, because people believe it has value, then that that's it yeah that that's a good point. I mean an economic and when we're talking about art objects, you can talk about utilitarian value, which is the value of an object in terms of what it can do so a tool, obviously, but gold and lots of the other things that we use as currencies have no intrinsic value. I mean they're, just by convention money is, is, is a convention. Ownership is also a convention as well

these are things that we have to learn. Discover and part of. My research agenda has been to try to discover. When did she really understand what ownership is because they understand possession? They understand that you know if some he's holding on to some, you can't just walk up to and taken away from them, but ownership, a convention. That means that we appreciate that, if something on something they can leave the room and even though they are holding onto it, they still have control over. That's not something that children immediately get until much later on and in fact is a series of rules, conventions that they may have to learn. and do our research and actually the research of many other psychologists has been documenting the different stages by which children come to appreciate the conventions of ownership. But it is no surprise that they don't understand money. They don't have a concept of money until quite late and you're. Seven eight years

which is quite late for a lot of these concepts for children to acquire out, which is interesting as I imagine that as cash disappears as we move into The digital era. The notion of these bits of metal pieces of paper will become interesting quirks to future generations, because We probably would see cash in future. One story: you tell that really demonstrates the power that possessions have over us in that power of wanting to own things, is the story back from the eighteen, hundreds about the ship, the royal charter, which is returning from the streaming goldfields back in eighteen. Fifty nine and its sank off the coast of north wales limits returned report. The loss of six hundred fifty lies, but what makes it more tragic was that many of the people there

and were the minus returning from the goldfields they drowned because they were carrying the guy old, they had it so it into their coats and they had more money belts and they were carrying the school and they wouldn't let go of it. And, of course, the additional weight pull them to their deaths on this goal, turning up by way. People still discovering on the beaches, and it just wrote me. Is it really true the folly of that? I should give a talk, and I got a great than a video of a a coroner. Some thief has attempted to stay but the hijack his car and the owner has jumped on the bottom of the car and their driving off, and this is ridiculous. Is places his life at risk by trying to stop the theft now you know expect, but this is not an emotional reaction with some. He starts to take

something of yours? You immediately respond in the coal light day, though none of us would literally jump onto a moving car to or to prevent it from being stolen, but there's something deep insiders. The solution reaction when some violates ownership was on violates are stuff by helping, without without our permission, he gets to assert a corollary. Let really violates, as would not have very few of us, are that children by saying it's ok just help yourself, because our possessions are extension of our identity ass. We are taught that identity is tantamount to what we can claim ownership over. But my point is: is that these option are an exception, identity, someone someone takes them without permission. We feel that acutely and in fact When you speak, of people have been burgled they

Scribe is a violation and it can be traumatized. It conveyed. You know the actual financial value. The third is nothing compared to the psychological I urge that a house invasion were sown. Burgling can do so yeah that reflects our strong psychological connection with the things that we are One of the strangest stories that I've ever heard about ownership is from you telling the story about. Will you tell it of of the foot? Tat are not, listen as eating at the moment. If so, you might just wanna take a break posse listed, as this is a great story on the island. but this is still a cold shower and wishes. Who went wrong, you're buying up staff and selling on for profit from one station, he went to a sale by the locals where's unit company

storage companies are these. These containers and the the owners pay rent, but if they fail to keep up with the payments, the storage companies entitled to auction off the contents of the of the locker and on this occasion shannon bought. What were what he thought was a smoker grill makes it a little bit like a barbecue, and he paid a couple of dollars for it and put on his truck and he took it home. But surprise when he opened the opening he found he got more than it literally bargained for, because inside there was a left human foot mummified, and this all captured in the documentary either used to call the police I I'm grossed out got myself a left human foot and they didn't know whether it came from a corpse of something been digging up graves, so they took it away, but in the meantime and he he really wanted to get his foot back, because a word got out that shannon of his foot he thought, maybe I could make some dollars from it, so he he contacted the police

not my foot back and they said the well Actually the foot doesn't come from a corpse who comes from a guy's, allied, John, would and as it turns out the term john wood business aircraft using a fatal plane crash john was piloting, the plane enforcing has fallen, killed in dramas very severely injured to the extent had others for absolutely amputated and he asked the hustler ploughed back and they gave it to me I've aspiring out of control in the octopus foot into the sea, a girl and all his household possessions, and they put into storage me. He moved his carolina though, do a nice for ended up in the But the really interesting thing is that and he was contacted, the police, recovers, foot shining and ended up having a fight. Almost a real legal battle about healed and ended up actually going to court, And, interestingly enough, then the judge reckon

I said. Shannon did have a legal right to the foot to some extent, but he had to be compensated for the foot. He ruled that the foot should be returned to John, but the shark shouting should be compensated. The summit, about five thousand dollars, which wasn't a bad return on the couple of dollars you paid. But the point is story. As you know, you would imagine that you shouldn't argue about body parts you clearly owner body, but actually you don't, because in law outright ownership means You can do with something as you wish. If you want to destroy a piece of property in your own outright you're entitled to do so, but you can't your body, you can't do with your body as you wish you can sell organs in some some parcel. Lord, you can't have attitude, you can't sell yourself so only a body outright and I think people find that really quite surprising. but this is another example about how this concept of ownership is is really a convention, while there so many consequences to ownership of of

this desire to own a lot of things that you talk about and we will have time to go into a mall but we'll just as an example. You talk about the fact that, because people own, so much stuff and keep in their homes. The risk of fire goes up because much of that stuff is flat a and we have so much stuff. They can catch fire home fire risk goes up, and there are so many consequences to owning lots and lots of stuff you wanna I think that we do need to really considers that environmental costs. the quinces and hopefully and time will learn to not over consumed is over consumption. The problem has not sought finances, or enormous, not suggesting we overcome hermits by We really should try to limit the amount of purchases which are really things that we do not necessarily need and that that's driven by psychological processes- and I think we can do something about

will. It does seem that the drive to own stuff to acquire things into our lives is a pretty strong drive in our culture anyway, and yet we We spend a lot of time. Thinking about the consequence, of it in what it really means. So this has been really interesting, bruce huh has been my guest he's a professor of psychology at the university of bristol, and he is author of the book, possessed why we want more than we need, and you ll find a linked to that book in the shone out. Thanks bruce thanks for being on the show. Thanks night, the council of francs on behalf of delicious oscar mire. One hundred percent be francs has declared its official position. score meyer, one hundred percent be francs, are one hundred percent frank, delicious this summer.

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it is made up of lots of different kinds of food and their origins are fascinating. According to David page, He is a two time. Emmy award winning tv producer who has produced a lot of food, related television programmes, including food segments. I'm good morning, america and written a really fun book called food, americana the remarkable people and incredible stories behind america's favorite dishes? David welcome life? For him me, local, So is there an american cuisine in your view, and and if so, where did it come from? We and up over the years, making a cuisine out of the foods of other countries and cultures, changing those foods as we went, but basically in corporate rating lament and we're talking about a wide range of of countries and food ways, everything from pizza, sushi debate goals. If we liked it, we incorporated it and we changed it to

it our tastes and the wrong greedy that were available here and so you go around the world. I know if you know the answer to this. If, when you go around the world and germany and spain, and all these places in and ask them what they think of american food, what they think of what is american food to them? It's the standards, us budgets, pizza, aids, hamburgers. I'll tell you a funny story. I was working, is an NBC producer and had just move to europe for them and was making my first trip you, vienna. So I ask the locals: who worked with sir? I said: hey after we finish the story. Could you take me to someplace you like to eat a high bring that I would get an insight into austrian cooking and instead they took me north american barbecue joint. So it's that sort of big, bold cow, boyish thing that seems to be america. food oversees. So you say that the reason mexican food

became such a big part of american food is really all because of taco bell right, Glenn. Bell was a fast food guy in allay he was selling our dogs and hamburgers and noticed when he went to eat a local mexican rest, that he wasn't the only anglo there, so he started to introduce tacos at his various burger joints. and then opened one devoted entirely to quote mixing and food. On quote, and from had he began franchising, and that was for much of america. The the starter food there, their first exposure to mexican, which opened the door to going farther and exploring mexican food at restaurants owned by max. You get him again or mexican americans, whose grandparents, let's say were originally mexican headed straight started their end,

Taco bell will tell ya know: I'm actually in food, were sort of homage to it, but their very You have opened the door to mexican throughout the country. When you go to mexico is the. in mexico mexican food. The way we think of me second food or have we americanized what some of it is? leave americanized almost all of it, but you will certainly find tacos and end tortillas and tamales in various parts of mexico, but mexico, like almost any a country of any size does not really have a national coups. Enid has regional cuisines my wife and I go to the admittedly tourist area Where do I order? The local tacos, local war tacos, her small is it a lot on them and their delightful, compare that

the oversized over heaped tacos there that we expect in america. We have supervised that element of mexican food there's a dish right now let's having a moment, called beauty a bit originally was goat, stew in chile papers in the central area of mexico. It then expanded He did ass in some places which, which means beef media. Somehow- and no one really has documented this summer There's ended, dish ended up being served in tijuana as tacos. What of late beauty a tonne Those in in tijuana had been a big thing. They jumped the border to allay, and now they ve crossed the country.

and their available on both posts, and increasingly, I think, to some extent, between the ghost. It's a remarkable dish: it is this incredibly tasty, spicy shredded beef, that's on top of a tortilla cooking liquid from the making of the beef is then added to the mixture, its folded, overrun grilled on both sides and serve with a couple of the cooking liquid into which one dip The taco are kind of like a french dip sandwich. It's extraordinary. I grew up in new england and in a pretty much a meat and potatoes household. Where we didn't eat a lot of food from other parts of the world we ate, you know steaks and meat loaf and maybe once in awhile design yet but usually was meet potatoes. And a vegetable, and I think a lot of people would can

That kind of an american cuisine is an american on very british it. It came over with the settlers, especially in the window, and where the concept of taking a hunk of meat at boiling it or doing something else, you want to make it as bland as possible was the cooking style. Ah, yes, americans do like meat and potatoes and have for quite some time. So I guess that makes that american, but it sir it wasn't invented here? Barbecue seems very american. Is it well barbecue who was named after a means of cooking that explorers first saw among the tie. You no indians in the caribbean, which was to put four stakes in the ground, then create a grill surface atop. The amount of other states and cook small animals over calls these spanish

version of the tie. You no word became barbara color, the ink version of barber became barbecue, but the spy sing and and means of cooking the all carcasses that initial barbecue required work. Provided and used by the people who are being forced to cook the food enslaved africans. So this american dish gets its flavour profile and coronary. heritage from west africa, even within the world of barbecue, though there's different kinds of barbecue that I and our regional differences. Are they eu talk about the differences in barbecue like is memphis different than saint. Was saint Louis different, the north carolina mode. stop. These regional styles were eventually created out of the mines of individual pip masters, so

oh if Fred down the street decided to a little catch up to here. Vinegar saws after heinz, introduced ketchup at? I think the nineteen o four exposition and people like freds barbecue sauce than his competitors, started cooking with it as well. All of a sudden, you have lets a piedmont style barbecue it enough what's carolina every place that barbecue has has if somebody has developed some flavour that has become the regional favorite, put really began with individual pit masters chat, these food is certainly become part of american cuisine. How did that? Why seulement came here from, But how did it get here? What happened was gold was discovered in california in the mid eighteen, hundreds and a substance A number of chinese man came over to hunt for gold

and with them came a supporting group of merchant and restaurant tours, who were focused on feeding, this particular group and what has happened- and over a very long period of time, is that china, he's food in america has been made almost entirely in a modified form for the american palette. I was taken pre pandemic to a huge of food mall in flushing, queens new york and a couple chinese students took me and the food was incredible. Some of it. I recognized in terms of a handle noodles dumplings. Some was completely new to me for the most part, the various chinese cuisines as

to some extent, do most cuisines, especially in countries that have experienced poverty, It is a crime to two, not eat the whole animal so I enjoyed a dish called dry part where you get to pick your, and the instant among the ones I picked for it were artery and duck blow. And liver and tripe, and things like that, and it was fantastic, absolutely fantastic, one of the big differences between chinese cuisine and western cuisine Is a chinese appreciation for the differences in textures. As well as differences in flavors, it's something that that americans for the most part, gets squeamish about, but I gotta tell ya: I could eat there all day in all the stories it go together to make up american cuisine talk about one that need that. You find particularly fascinated

because I was really from you. And because I'm jewish, I was fascinated by the bagels function, cream, cheese story in that. This was not a dish any jew in Europe ever eat. What happened was The transcontinental railroad was completed, which made it possible to ship salmon from seattle new york, this was free were fridge. Patients. So the only way to keep the salmon from rotting was to pack it in copious amounts of salt which brined it and did no surprise incredibly salty, but it then became a dish that fit comfortably into what were called appetizing stores stores where new york jews went to get such items as a smoked fish herring that sort of thing the the stand by dish of the

the jewish immigrant with herring. It was the cheapest thing you could get locks slippery and there it was more expensive. Mel Brooks actually told me that growing up in and they can only have locks once a week because of the price, but it then becomes natural somehow to put locks on bagels and the addition of cream cheese. Actually, scientific sense because it was the dream That would blunt the sharpness of the salt now there is no record anywhere of who first suggested green shoes with locks, although the creekstone company owned by a couple of jewish brothers advertising in the english newspaper the forward space,

if it uses for cream cheese with jewish foods- and I guess it just makes sense that the intervention ended up on God's gift to perfect food, which is the bagel locks and greenpeace out over the last couple of decades. It seems can has gotten to be huge a minute. Just it's everywhere is even better replaces that used to sell just burgers. Probably have a chicken sandwich somewhere on the menu chicken became a part of american cuisine. Lately. How to some extent it was probably push starting in the seventies by increasing concerns about health. We are at the point now where there is more chicken sold in the EU s than beef and the experts tell me, that's never gonna change. the oddly american element to it is yeah. We

we all jumped on the chicken bandwagon, but we all leaders fried Sahel, I'm not sure how healthy that is. was colonel sanders. Really the launch point form the big fried chicken boom yet was was it opened the door due to the concept of the fried chicken chain in america? Are? I am pretty clear that it helped expand america's interest in fried chicken beyond the south are or areas such chicago which had a large southern african in population that that had come to chicago is part of the great migration by where it was harland sanders who kicked off and then there's pizza but knows that there is some italian heritage to pizza, but

It somehow seems to be very american and and pizza everywhere it's a wonderful food in there's, just something terrifically warm and tactile about picking up a piece of pizza which, by the way, is not done in italy? There is eaten with a fork and knife, but pizza, I guess, was the right place right time. It. It came to new york with immigrants from naples, Lee hometown, a pizza. It immediately changed because the ingredients that we had here and the method of cooking were different wheat in america. they had a higher protein content there and the wheat in southern italy, bakers and morocco were begging with coal, not would, as was used in ITALY, so right off the bat the new york pie was Chris beer. anything you'd get in naples, but also its a relatively simple item. To make an.

It was carried throughout the country for the most part by italian americans moving west. The interesting thing is that you can make pizza. You can talk pizza with pretty much anything, so it became highly regionalized based often on what the world the ingredients were in Saint louis. A favoured cheese, for example, is something called prevail, which is a process cheese heavy. If I recall on swear So that's what pizza gets topped with and now you've got ST louis style pizza. I it it was a relatively easy business to afford to get into and it was not restricted by lack of ingredients. Let's say it does seem that in california, pizza kitchen. That chain really had something to do with the creation of more

I guess you would call a gore may pizza, well, telephony pizza, kitchen started it's unusual menu because they were who did a guy named it'll do super lies there. Pizza programme, Edlin do was much of the creative genius behind the pizza served at at spargo. Emma do want to work for wolf, and pluck, and basically was the brains behind his Alleged creation of gore may pizza when the dew went to California pizza kitchen, his big contribution He was responsible for the whole many, but he's longest. Lasting contribution turns out to have been a barbecue chicken pizza, which is now pretty much in american standard.

One thing that does seem very american is ice cream I accept it was in the form we know it invented in ITALY and then pay through other european countries and likely came to america via the british colonial times, It's a fascinating topic because it can be anything to anyone. There, A real renaissance now in what is called artisanal ice cream which is ice cream, truly made by hand. At the same time, you can still get you're you're cheap, ten percent butterfat pint. grocery store ice, there's an ice cream for everyone. These days, although interestingly, a lot of that is because the ice cream market is stable, but not growing.

There are so many competitive dessert items now scalable, especially in the frozen area that the ice cream manufacturers have to fight hard to keep up. and the latest push is ice cream with benefits. Scream? Dad will help you fall asleep, supposedly ice cream with probiotics ice cream with vegetables hidden in the mix for your kids well. I've always figured that one of the reasons ice cream became so popular and everybody loved ice cream is the convenience of ice cream on a stick, was a great idea Well, you know that stems out of sanitation issues originally, the streets of new york, the so called hokey pokey men, that's what they call the ice cream vendors, most of them italian, immigrants would serve ice cream by the scoop in a glass bowl. They would give you the bow.

And a swoon and you eat your eyes criminal. Give them back and then they would use them on the next customer. The spanish flu of what was nineteen, seventeen that helped put a cramp in that ice cream combs became quite by wheeler and then the brilliant idea. I think it was eskimo pilot dinner first of putting in the stick. Well, this has been a fund. little tour through american cuisine to discover where some of our favorite foods came from. My appreciate David David pages, My guess tee is to time Emmi award winning tv producer, and he is author of the book food americana. There remarkable people, an incredible stories behind america's favorite dishes and there's a linked to that book in the show notes thanks David Michael thank you very. ouch

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