Guys, I'm officially on tour. I am so excited to hang out with you, but I need you to know. This tour is a little different than anything you might have heard me or seen me do before still love Jesus, but I cuss a little and that's what's going to happen tonight so get ready. Usually when I speak publicly it's about how to grow and become a better version of yourself and yes, I want to talk about that. Don't tell me that you can't do difficult things, because that is one teeny tiny example of something that men will never have to deal with. But more than anything I want to laugh honest sleep and it'd be hard year for me and my kids. I just want to tell stories with my friends and laugh until we pr pants a little bit. The second thing we're gonna do is a live q and a oh yeah. No, if you raise your hands like yours,

as we get to learn and understand more about ourselves when we hear someone else's stories. The third thing that's different about this tour is that every single location has a bar. I wanted to have a girls night out. I wanted to have a place where you could get your sister call. Your mama get your neighbor from down the street and you come out and you could have a glass of cheap wine and you could watch a show and laugh and have fun and meet new people. The four thing don't bring your husband yeah, don't I said it. If you've got a husband

will laugh about period? Jokes, bikini, waxes, mom stories bring them on down if you're, not sure. If your man thinks that's funny, he doesn't by yourself and make friends treat yourself to a night. Were you are dating you? It's gonna be a lot of funds. That is my number one. Intention with this to work is that I want to have fun, and I know that we will so check out the show notes to get a week to upcoming cities. We got phoenix salt, lake city, boston and toronto. Common up more cities will be added again check out the show notes, but the word out love you I'll see. You see what is the next generation of that? The people in any category grow who didn't give a fuck.

who ride weird shit like would we have smashing pumpkin right if someone wasn't afraid to try weird shit right. So what I'm? Why, like dreaming that you're like? No? No, don't worry! You dont worry because, because tricked us, our, I put it through a slightly different lens. Ok right now, there's a couple of hours to hope, in the biggest stadiums on the planet, who are just like they are that they are the tours of the moment. You know beyond, say ed, chili, peppers, taylor, taylor is on stage playing her songs across. The ears of her life really and creative legacy play for an artist whose contemporary relevance day she's ever somehow she's telling people having around I've made this incredible music draw my life and yet midnight and folklore, and ever more, are the last three items that she's made

and is playing those songs in front of eighty thousand. People in the same reaction is shake it off and not eta, if not better. hi I'm rachel Hollis and this is my podcast ice and so many hours of every single week, reading and listened podcast and watching youtube videos trying to find out as much as I can about the world around me and that's what we do on their show. We talk about everything, life and to be an entrepreneur. What happened dinosaurs? What's the best recipe for fried chicken? What's the best plan for intermittent fasting, going on with our inner child house therapy working out. For you It is my guess are into. I want to unpack it so that we can all understand these. conversations this information for the curious. This is the rachel Hollis

odd cas, because you have this long, history and love of music and I'm so curious about how today's pot place Into that yeah I didn't either I you know, I never really knew the difference and I was a kid. It was just great music and I realize now that I was listening to pop and rock and r and b and soul, and regain indie and heavy metal and everything right, because I was just rifling through my parents and my brother's record collections, like everybody does, and it was only when I kind of got into the quite uncle industry that I read in a particular toward the end of the nineties early two, thousands, the whole pop thing was going through such a nice ons, and there was a strong like line in the sand which which side we you all. We know you we listened to in sync battery boys in brittany spears or were you over his near trying to find the thing to you know blink one He too, and waiting for the hives to show up- and it was like very and in somewhere around their rap- was just building

building a building and was just gonna like scorch, all of it right So he not a means of numbers and success in an influence and inspiration, so it felt very is jean refined and very divided in a way your t shirts hold. You will talk to people a lot about who you were. I think it still does. I think there's still that fan that that that obsession as a fan to want to really ride for your favorite artists, but pop has changed shape and I didn't think it's just me. That's embraced at different I think I think this before lord and the Lord god you're so right before billion after billion and before the weekend and after the weekend, you can't ignore the fact that the hills, one of the most uncompromising sounding songs of its time. I mean I'm embarrassed into the first time in thinking. Did anything not get mixed thirty emotion on this song and it was like number one for thirteen weeks or something so it is changed and our time in pop has changed in our time. What do you think the definition of pop is taken

it's just popular right. I mean that's how everybody always refers to it, especially if you're on the wrong end of that conversation you're like well. We can accuse me of being popular like it's unpopular puppet, but I think industry got hold of it during that. That really should Haiti time started to thousands. What what a represent to me was just control very control, yeah you're right, you know everything was dislike, run from outside of the studio yeah yeah from off the stage. It was all being kind of run. That was the impression I, and I think that what's happened in recent times is is pop- is a lot of pop artists. Successful pop artists have decided that they don't want to be spoken, for they want to be spoken with and they don't want people to make the this means for them, they want to be in charge of their own successes and their own failures, yeah and, and they want to on them- and I think that that's now why you ve got this generation of what I consider to be developed pop careers, late twenties, getting it

the thirties coming out in saying you know we ve learned a thing or two and done you know we want to tell our side of things I why, here too, though, how sounds like a terrible thing to say, but how this affects their success, because if you were brought up in an industry, were unfortunately are. Fortunately, you are sort of puppet mastered into the place at your end, and then you find yourself a decade into the process or fifteen years into the process. Your trying for the first time to one a grown up and to figure out what your sound actually is and who you are, and also our businesses when someone's nor beating you the terms yeah, that's good yeah. So, let's go question and I think we have an answer we're close now, because so I was is the large table analogy works here against all. Do it again when I was kind of making my way through the industry from a media point of view of radio to tv or that sort of stuff radio, one

I didn't realize at the time, but there was a table in and sitting around it was said of every gateway occupation like loya pr agent manager. Media in a you and I are their region it was their promoted is there an artist would come up and they'd be like hey. I've got some tanaka some ideas of something creative, I want to say, and everyone was sort of like talk amongst each other and decide whether they could sit down. And what happens at the turn of this new kind of this new kind of independent? mindset within the pop music community. It it it. It happened simultaneously with this global phenomenon of that, which is that the arts, all of a sudden oddest, sought to realize that won't. Hang on media. Okay, I got social media. You know record labels, while I could, release this now myself, I have a pretty easy gateway to putting music up was dreaming services and guess what back in the day used to tell me what

or not, I could put it out in different countries based on whether or not I was worthy of your investment. Now upon us, we serve as you can't tell me anything it's they're everywhere. It's built that way right. Somebody used that right touring, while just market myself through social media, sell tickets independently and bill my to remake an ism that way and duke Hope rightly, and learn the business in real time that didn't we really want to make this a super simple, as I'm sure a lot of people who struggle without unjust and have them. I say and then make it passed a certain minimum point on the road, but a lot of people did and what the and what the lens table, what happens, the less table change and if all of us are replaced by the us and the fence, and then we will come up as record labels and media. Can I talk to you? and they talked amongst each other depends. You know like in it flipped on its head, so we is not really recognizing like what are we bringing to the artist? That's valuable versus what value to do you bring to the industry that we can actually maximize for your benefit and for als it.

flipped. Then I got enough. I won't talk to you because it is seen to speak I language and I didn't really like the way you talk to artists or I don't really like yodel the way your label pays me or I don't really know what I mean, and I got to ask real questions and I think getting back to your question about how to fix their career. I think that if I'm sure there are pop stars who tried to do this ten twenty years ago, that just was just caught up in the undertow right couldn't make it to the top and it was designed to confuse now. I think I think if you, if you decide to break out look, you know I'm going to take a break and do things my way I'll I'll I'll speak when I want to speak or tell my truth or figure it out, and you find that the fans actually galvanize around you and that it strengthens your foundation for quote unquote career yeah, because people just want the they just want your truth for either just want as honest a person as possible so that when they hit

music they believe it yeah. What do you think it takes to make it at this point in pop? Specifically, I think it's the same as it always has. I I think it's an equation of listening having it in a voice it cuts through realizing that there's something in you that you really need to express yourself through refining that voice, so that you get closer to your truth and better at expressing yourself and they just work and just recognising when judy arises. removing your anxiety or your ego, which can often collaborate to prevent you from actually saying yes to the right thing: yeah, I'm being open, you know a risk is on the risk if you're scared to take it really in a weird way, and it probably does make sense if you try to actually pour that a pot is probably stupid statement. But my point is is like, if you know it speaks to your ultimate passion and the vision that you have. Then you get us

Yes to it and you gonna work out and if it doesn't work you learn from movement, so it really is it's the same equation in a way it's always been. The only thing that's changed is that the tools that the creative person gets to use now have far more in their favor. Do you feel, like the specific genre of music right now that sort of managing that particular equation better than others. Well, I mean it's funny. You know the way we think about genres is changed as well. You know, I think a genre matters to a community. It matters to a culture matters to an environment where a music or have or a message was born out of, and I think that true artists always stay true to that bear bunny being a classic example of some who can sell out stadiums all over the world now, but continues to invest his rewards into his community income the used to bring the world to his language into what is important to him and the people. He loves the people he wants to support

I think that I think that the idea of, like you, know, genre boxes and will not work for marketing ready was the defining the defining set of tool week. You know but he called me something really call me the other day. He said the problem of the tame industries always trying to do was known and the differences at the oddest, a true artist is always trying to discover something: that's unknown, so it's uncomfortable, and so what happens now is that a true What is to understand the vision and and knows what it is, they want to say and recognizes that and place the tools on the table and learns how to use them and truly studies, the industry that don't need to into was known. They can. They can drag us into the unknown which, by the way, as the other thing that you didn't mention, but I want to add to that which is it a lot of times, you know we always assume that audiences need familiar

on a mask, oh yeah, makes sense. Could we don't have enough time to think about new all the time we just try get through the day, but there is a huge appetite for something fresh yeah there is in otherwise we wouldn't have this amazing, incredibly talented brother sister com What kind of lulling us through these really deep and personal, almost love, dark, lullabies and go on to the billie, eilish and phineas? And it's like that, if you told me ten years the guy that can be the biggest status on the planet and we might that suddenly shot is to bear. Hissed has a different time yeah. How many artists within the industry, where most people in the world would recognise their name? Do you think have that true artists. Color, I couldn't tell you because I think, as I've gone older in this, unless.

I think about it and in less of a sort of narrow framework of like you're, a real honest in your nor I definitely had phases like tat, because I needed to define my identity through the music, and it was easy to do that through dismissing things as much as embracing things, that's kind of how we do it. We may kids, as we like that, sex, that that sucks says a lot. more to you about who I am, and I love that in a weird way right. That's why we're always on the playground or what scope college women were grown up? We're like adds just ass, just shit by four. We want, over use terms at a certain point. Your life is like that bullshit. I try not to create a hierarchy of whose deserving of that term anymore because

I think creative is a is a god given right. Creativity is a god given right, everybody's, creative and in many ways- and I and I've realized that the person at home who's painting for their own purpose is no different to the person who's standing on stage in front of eighty thousand people, and it's about purpose. It's less about the term. Are you a true artist and it's more about? Do you have true purpose in what it is you're trying to achieve? And if so- and you can be true to that- then live your life and be happy and pursue that it is competitive rachel and it, and it is really hard for artists to stand out and it is hard to break an artist, but it always was, and we fought ourselves thinking that we had a magic equation. We never did because if we did half my

favorite. Artists would have been ten x, bigger and still around, as opposed to a broken up of three albums because they couldn't pay their bills. I can keep this in anymore. I can't even believe I'm saying this. To be honest, even know, you can tell me anything, I capital the fd for two capitals. He lord his m, underscore lowercase p capital, l, reverse flash apostrophe, lowercase arrest. I know how you feel just between us, I'm underscore comma dash underscore dollars on capital g lowercase w come forward. Slash dash, dash, reverse slash, no way. I am so glad we had this conversation. I know me to turn on total privacy with end to end encryption, whatsapp message privately. I guess what I'm searching for as a music fan and coming to you sort of thinking you're like the godfather who could answer this question is, I feel sometimes I'm going to sound like

grandpa right now, but I feel some will be a godfather felt no way. We can't be that far off and aids brother lewd, that, like I'm, I look at some of my favorite bands. I wouldn't saw the chilly peppers like a month ago and dying. It was amazing- and I say in a stadium like that- and I think Will this ever come again? Will we ever have metallica again? Where will we ever have the fu fighters I know they're still here, but what is the next generation of that? The people in any category grow? Who didn't give a thought? Could I ride weird shit like would we have smashing pumpkin right if someone was afraid to try weird shit road, so when I'm, why, like dreaming that you're like? No? No don't worry, we don't worry the heavy because because check this out right, put it through a slightly different lens. Ok, right now, there's a couple of artists who play.

The biggest stadiums on the planet who are just like they are that they are the tours of the moment. You know beyond, say ed, chili, peppers, taylor. Taylor is on stage playing her songs across all the years of her life, so brilliant creative legacy play for an honest whose his contemporaries and stay she's ever being somehow she's telling people I've been around. I've made this incredible music, throw my life and yet midnight and folklore. An ever more are the last three items that she's made. And she's playing those songs in front of eighty thousand? People in the same reaction is shake it off and not if not better, and she made those rick was with the grid machine who are a couple of guys soup. collaborative just invert in Erin destiny I mean these. Do these they make weird shit.

they make amazing weird shit like giving, listen to a big red machine, album, it's beautiful! It's like it's like this sitting in the dock fa for emotion. Through this kind of untapped filter of creativity like they may, sounds and things and the way they make shit move like. I haven't heard that before I've felt the emotion before, but I've heard it put together like that before and now they've made some of the biggest music grammy award, winning multi platinum record breaking records with what one of the biggest artists of our lifetime. So it's great when the pumpkins come out of chicago and make an album like guinea, which is like perfect, hybrid of sort of the mission and grunge. And then go on to make siamese dream, which is, in my humble opinion, in the top ten greatest arms of old I'm in a masterpiece, and then do a double out and then later, but. there we? It is no different to that weird right

beyond, say: who's come out and made one of my favorite out of the last twenty years, which is just this beautiful mix of what is modern about club music in a shout to the door cards and amazing people kicking down electronic music doors and is doing incredible. Alien shit right Dennis nag earlier in guinea, the classic sort of detroit chicago house. Music and she's turned it into this huge tour which people are losing their shadow over. That's not all right, so the abnormal is always there do. I think that rock, why not? My class was always. Why not right, is a great moment when Noel Gallagher came out in the press back around whenever it was. I dunno can't remember what the date was now, but he came out in the press. He was like I'm not. you're that has ever gonna be another ban is going to move the culture move. The move the community in and gal and bring people together in the uk to ices did I've been waiting for it. I just don't think is going to happen in a week later, acting monkeys

Arrive with a bit, you look good on the dance floor and broke oasis says you album written so need, Don't know you know, and I think that we get it's easy for us to get emotional amendments like that wasting our favorite ban, because it reminds us that we ve grown older with these bans in and there and they're getting older and so that it creates a time stamp on somethin but don't be late. I can speak for myself. I never want to get to a place where the unknown isn't available. To me, like I love not knowing. If, if there's something around the corner, I love it. I didn't know each was going to be one of the biggest audits of the year on our platform. Will my kid play me here. I was sure, sounds I've never does. What is this like? I've never met these cells in this voice in this hopeful Can I speak to the guys like no no

if you speak to me like that, does this that's new information. So are you coming in to this industry? The interviews you do the artists that you get to speak with its a sense of curiosity exploration, like obviously anyone who is a fan of your work can feel the passion that you have for this industry, but why after all these years, what's keeping you here going like I'm fuckin excited the unwelcome changed over time. I think it first just played into this need, for you know I just I just became identity. It became the thing that was me like come. My friends were into sports and my brother was into this and everyone he land into something. You know, and music really was very good to me. Young age and were you a musician or just loved, just loved him, then I learned how to play instruments enough to be

Make music, and so I was always drawn into the room to create. It was just always music, because I think hum it Allow me to feel things that I wasn't really accessing other ways. I'm sure that's the same for for any super big music fan that's kind of the equation as the trade. What keeps me sean every morning, when the play requisite stuff is the feeling that I get, which is really. I asked I still have not really gotten any closer to defining. How that how it feels it's. Just it's! It's it's an energy. It's an energy shift. I like it. It changes the shape if my life like I can come in in a bad mood and leave in a great mood and all of a sudden opportunities are available. Music is medicine, music is magic and, and it is medicine and it In its serves ass so beautifully in the human experience its light, it is just a part of how we communicate not only with others but within ourselves,

and there's not a lot of opportunity to connect those two things. Most of the internal dialogue doesn't really make it externally. The vienna as my therapies like for good reason, I find europe, It's a great ride because it's that's the one hour if you can afford it and you will and you have the courage to do it when you get to do that, yeah music! Just does it and it's so good at doing it. that we don't even and I feel bad, even set of acknowledging it in those terms, because it's kind of better and not acknowledge it. It's so perfect for us, as a species. That we don't even really come to terms or or honestly acknowledge how it helps us to the degree that it does we think of it, as maybe entertainment background, music, a night out hot trend. We give us so many different tags, but its purpose really is to help us express ourselves. Even if we're not making it understand

ourselves inside better, so we can be better on the outside and share the makes year at what point in your life? Did you find yourself inside of radio? That's where this all Guns, young age yeah, I mean well yeah. I got the t tv first because it was just a gig right like I, I didn't want to work in bars anymore and I got an opportunity to just be a tape operated at a tv channel in oakland, and then I saw becoming known as the hosting that show rights, gotta be better pay and it's gonna be more fun than putting the tapes in the machine so and I like to recommend My friends see if this fits and I think it opened an eye in for a walk, as I have always felt that my my natural place has been in the studio and I still Do if I'm really honest as a pretty certain, I resign orders about you. I wish law for sure for sure for sure, and I still

I write music and I still have music at home even without executing on it like it's. It is, I think, ultimately, a big part of what has driven me into the world of music as a desire to participate, and I think because I also had this other side, which is this I like to share and I like to recommend stuff and- and I I guess have always had a way of communicating, because I was good at doing speeches as a young kid at school. I get good grades at that, so I guess they found each other and I resented the media for a while I felt like I was taken the easy option to safe option. The hot option is to risk at all and figure out where the music's ever gonna make it. When people say get a route. We will say you won't be researching, get a real job on my days. Do you know how ease You're a real job as compared to beam, is no true yeah The risk is all every day and yet remind yourself if you're an honest with you an actor or me, I must say that this is any how to them.

Surgeon or rocket scientist, or janitor or exactly or teach you a working of philanthropy or helping the community. Every job has its purpose and every job requires commitment, dedication and is challenging the question about it and they all make up one big, beautiful life experience way if it all works, while everybody's able to support each other, but saying it from the point of view is that as long as I was growing up, the answer was a musician get a real job here, and so I'm just saying that if we qualifying all those other things as having purpose, this has purpose, and it requires the same commitment in this risk. Any wake up every day- and you like, madam, is today you to be the day that I succeed or quit. Is literally that oil I be able to make grant this money right. Yeah win

the dream come to an end. You know what I mean, and so you know I. I do think that in the arts that doesn't get acknowledged enough- and I think I probably felt like maybe I I had sort of made my decision by leaning into radio on tv- and it took me years and taught me some one good one friend of mine took me aside and kind of just just slept with words. Just slap me and say: look you want to be with us, but we Did you ever hear because you are one of us, but you need to help us reach an audi inside man that was it and once he said that, and once you see that somebody was way more chill about it, making music have fun again. I didn't feel like I was sort of choosing I had to choose. I'd have to choose yeah. I just choose on the day so you're in auckland that you get this on air hosting gig, and then you did you end up in the uk. I'm not yeah, so I did that for a few years and then I and then I sort of jumped ship over to the united kingdom. I I had a good, a good lead. I had a really great guy.

From new zealand, who's running mtv european in a really good dude and he was like look, you become here in all, I want I would ignore your call like I'm not going to give you a gig but like if you ever want to sort of get a coffee or whatever I think you'd like the fact I was from new zealand, we got. I'm pretty well immediately and ask our brian Hansen, and I just stuck at it. I worked at a record, store, sick, a record store for, like eight nine months awesome, and then I just got this was the most experienced and took to new zealand. I got to foot the door behind the scenes. being a production assistant on the show and then just biding my time by the my time, and so there was like an opportunity and was like hey. I could jump in front of the camera, but what I didn't realize was that actually I was much more suited to radio and I think I thought I was a tv presented, but I think that's probably one of the third that that's like way down the pecking order of what I'm naturally inclined to do. Why better at radio, then tv, because tv requires you to be able to feel comfortable in a certain way. The way you present things have to be able to be yourself but also project in a certain way and that's why,

what say you know other got the fact. I, like that's, why you no great tv present his great hot, like into feelings, different light presenting tv is tough and that liability Acta, not everyone has it Don't really have it like? I have done my now my hours on tv presenting, but I could not see ever looked back at any of it and go while saying you have really comfortable like pathetic now. The labour watch back anyway, for that very reason, but the radio thing because of the lack of cameras off the cameras, would there was just, though of vicarious they would focus they went trained. I and train on them. Allow to one find that level of comfort ability that I think cameras often remove the tough cameras, a tough, their ahead on a recent episode here on the show. mastering health and wellness. I sat down with key on co founder angelo keeley and we talked about building a healthy.

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but okay, nothing's changed radius to wigan is, though, it's probably a very dumb question, but I don't know: did you picked your own music to play on the radio part of the gig? Wasn't for a very short period of time? I work with and apply this, but I would still move it around and I would just I was doing overnights known as a single right, so I was just like off it is I'll. Tell you those you know, and then, by the time I got my own one. I said: okay I'll play your playlist, because it was a good playlist. It was exit fam on capital. Radio is an alternative radio station. I liked playing those those songs. Whereas I got any if you free plays and stuff it was I you straight away that come from him tv right programmed to the alternative music show that I've been doing. I anita I I really early on that was probably the most vat the whole thing that you can achieve in what I do, which is kind of you. No music recommendation. Selection, curious! You timor acquire more than the more than this active of the monetary

incentives and whatever like. I was pretty adamant that I would get myself into a place where I would have the ability to choose what I want to play and they once I got that I would do everything I could to never let that car, because that that's with a joy is for me, is the programming of something that creating them and is that something you programme every day? Yeah I mean the way works now. Is that no the open about my taste and I'm really into any people, know what I like. I've got broad tastes, gotta be authentic and great, exciting The team come in with a long, MR records I'll just play whatever I feel at the time, and then I have this apple music thing in front of me, which is connected to an account and often just play it off that, and so I just met yeah. I mean I never stick to a script, except for the one or two times that we have the kind of support. We want to support something that so new music daily cover future, but it's always been about

it's always been about selection for me, because I think that if you really want to put a recommendation or something and I'm not a critic, I don't choose music to be brewed about it. Wouldn't that that's a waste of a free plan. Absolutely it's like! Oh, I could play twenty songs and I'm letting a cheese fifteen I like cause. I wanted she's five, I don't so I can to me. I always felt like critics I get cause you get a list of albums. New job is to tell people and your great critics out there, but to do that all radio is. This is kind of it without indulgence, meat. I need people to know that I dont like music from africa and asia, I love christmas if at any uk like why, don't you play some? You don't like it's like whoa cause I'd get to play. What I like, so I'm going to take every opportunity and play everything I like so yeah. I mean it's. It's kind of how it's always been in it, as I figured out early on, it's definitely the thing that I'm I'm most protective of is my ability to sort of kind of make it feel spontaneous at what point in that process? Did you start interviewing?

artists that was very early on in that was, and that was a new zealand, because. Again, you know, I I think I've always liked conversation have always been curious. I didn't recognize what it means to me today, then to me it was just like I get to be in a room with someone I think is great. Why would I say? No to that you know I'm a fan. It really was always always been from a fan perspective and I think what happened was there was one. The first person I ever interviewed on camera was if the bass player at the time for this band called the lemon heads and yeah lemon haze guy could Evan dando his band and the the bass player named australian guy was is nick Dalton and I interviewed him because they're in town doing the show- and I guess he drew the short straw and had to do the interview- and I liked it and my boss liked it, and so I did a couple more a couple more and then it just was like anyone that came through new zealand would sort of

I through my studio, and I had like four shows live, shows a week not dissimilar. Now, I'm doing it now in the evening, and I I sort of interviewed everybody, and then it became location work as well, so I'd be out there at festivals, and I mean that show tape of mine that I had that I came to the uk with was lofty, I mean was loftier was like corgan corn now meet love, garth brooks katy Lang. Beastie boys like it was intensely stacked, yeah helmet so I think that helps would get get. A bit of a team saw the uk with that It was always a thing for me, but I think I I think I was just bluffing a lot in the beginning. How has the interview style changed? I mean it's hard to it's hard for me to to to to quantify that, but I know how it's changed for me and I used to treat it like an assignment, and now I treat it like an adventure

that's the best way I can put it yeah. I used to appear for the interview zach. What I'm saying like when I started out. I would be like fastidious like a right questions out and an order and assume it was going to go that way and when it didn't I'd, be like well. I can catch myself out and I think I learned. To do, what you do and other great conversations do, which is to take a question from the last answer: endless most importantly, listen. I wasn't listening enough and dumb. I didn't. I didn't for law time, and I had great conversations and and did really well, but the last six years seven years has been easily the most enjoyable time for me, because I'm not because the the numbers in its in america in it's been a much really rewarding explains a lot of ways, because I'm, when I sit down to talk with somebody

I really am just in this intangible space, I don't I my only preparation. Now as I listen to the music while I watch the movie or read the book on the rare occasions, I do other stuff and I just try and catch catch a feeling in it and just ride the feeling yeah. I'm the same. I don't pratt and in fact coming here today I sort of wanted to go back and review like the last ten. and I was like no I'm a genuine fan of yours, so I know what I know and that sort of it, because I want to be in the present moment I learned a long time ago that if I prep too much, I was thinking about what I had prepped or what I had learned yep. Oh that's an interesting idea. I want to weave in in as opposed to sitting in this moment, instead of vibing with you. What talking about figured out before I did. I'm sure I mean I got told by somebody out,

anyway yeah I I went to a a t like a performance coach cause. I cause I. I guess I was smart enough to realize. I was not doing my best work and I'd be distracted by all the other things that apple and it was really intense period, building being a part of the the the the the people who sort of where it started. Apple, music and being a part of a team that both its one. I was very disorientation distract from this. I still want to do and I wasn't doing a good job, so I said look you can just watch some stuff and give me some feedback and she came back and was like yeah. You don't listen, I was like okay great deal. It was that blunt yeah I was like that's the only thing I'm supposed to do. Do you handle that kind of feedback? Well, yeah I mean I I had to because I'd hide all we were paying money for that feedback. So it's like what am I going to get fired? I was like okay. Well, give me some examples and she gave me three or four really good examples from conversations right in front of me. I can see exactly what she was saying. It was just a

it was an. It was an immovable objects right, and so I couldn't get around it so, and it was because then I had some kind of go in there and be like ok, I'm gonna listen them. I can't I can't with my own idea of what this is going to be like. I really have to listen in the first few were a bit scary, but I'm so glad I did- and sometimes I still bullet point out, but you know only because only one I'm listening to the music and I catch a feeling or a catch, something that I know I've never asked for an airy rub never done before. Like anita yeah, I need to make sure that we get that yeah. I do feel like you, have this sort of supernatural ability to find the one thing it seems thou art is always wanted, some one to ask them, and then you ask them Why I wondered only yes, I do know is that in do you? Do you see that

in your interviews in is that an intuitive thing or that just sort of here? Here's my example: you interviewed by restrictions, and of all the millions of things you could ask her. You end up asking her about the design of my room, and you saw her. Later, when she had been waiting a lifetime she's a designer yasmine for her is like I can do that. I was born with their skill, but right now what I love but use mean. Oh yeah, you saw the thing she wanted. Someone might ask her and I've seen you do that so many times. So you you notice, so an end. I think anybody whose dialed into the human experience So you know when you go to a really good doctor and you think you're bringing them the problem and then they see the problem, but then they recognize the problems come from somewhere else. It was actually just a symptom. Yeah, so

and this is as happens all the time in every in every walk of life. I'm I'm I'm aware of this scale now. So I see it all. The time and people in retail, in a sum really good at what they do you know you come and thinking you want something else in the not hustling years are often that they selling you somethin cheaper. commission's lower C, no, no! No! No! No! You ever get going down the wrong road. It's all about observation, and it's all about being aware of others and and letting that affect your own sense of self awareness right, not separating the two, and so the barbara streisand example was super straightforward. We went in the team had spent hours prepping this room. it was meticulously done here and she came in and was so incredible I mean. Have you met her no o. My days of show you well, she

so charming and amazing. Just everything you wanted to be in war right, she's, just incredible. True icon carries itself as such grace and just amazing. She comes in awe. She greets everyone and everyone's just feeling isis can be great, and she's like ours is so great to have everyone. If we just move that over there, it's so great to have everybody just move the light a little bit more to the. Thank you just thank you think we need those flowers talks to a friend, how do is the flowers and she's been forty five minutes rearranging the room and people felt like they had been blessed. The crew felt like so great having a work completely change. I wish everyone could do that. I mean it was. It was like she's like she was obi wan cannot be ass. She was. This is not to say that you want me to be in and we want. This is not. Said. We wanted to be an exchange it as he changed. Everything

and then she zeroed in on me when she was reading. She was like. I love your sweatshirt. What that is dusty rose. I love that switcher and she kept talking about over and over again throughout the interview to the point where I end up giving him, I switch it by the way, are traded it for signed out was the best traded, Agatha care, awesome and busy. That story was that I thought I was gonna get out of existence as ghosts switches. What size is it? I go a large thinking when it gets me out of that cause, she's really tiny. She also has my size. Oh so he's such a hustler It's you know You take me always right there anyway. the reason why I went there. I was really clear to me that she has an eye as well as an eu that what we hear all the time is this talent just shut, it's off the record and is so emotional and amazing and immersive, and that's what's really made her famous, but what I saw was that she was way more interested in how she looked.

and then once we got talking about the room, she told us the stories about how she redesigns all of her guest houses periodically and does it in various time frames and whatnot of a shit yeah she's a day, she's architectural digest she's like deepen this world. So that's why I went there. It was just an observation. yeah. Just let you see observation you just got to what you're going to lose. You said it before brilliantly. You got to be present, be in the moment and it serves all sides because you get to us, he gets hopefully being a convert. Should we want to be an could stay there with them, and that's the moment therein that moment and its works for people like me, who kind of a five lift tomb devices. My anxiety rises to the surface and very happy

in this environment because I'm not thinking about the stuff? I can't change. That's fear of stoking the fire in my belly. That makes me feel like the world's coming to an end. Is that anxiety, something that's been with you, your whole life, as long as I can remember yeah? How did that? If, if and tell me, if you don't wanna talk about this, how did that manifest? When you took on a really big job like this, that sort of split you from what you are? We're doing back in london at first was great because it it it it was a perfect home for it. I just got to put all my anxieties into the job because needs a home right. Yeah, that's the real! It needs a host yeah, and so my job became a place of severe anxiety, which was kind of just at the time not to make it feel like it was horrible amazing, as being the most incredible, creative and personally professional experience in my life, but very high, I'm out very steep learning curve. For me, I didn't know about the intersection of taken the arts

that's apples line, I came from media and music and then trying to build. A media service incited straining service, it very intense learning curve. Thank goodness I had like eighty of contract and Jimmy. I vain and amazing people around and elizabeth dairy cow as well, who ivory spoken about what was eerie instrumental in helping me understand how apple worked would give me advice is really good. People who really kind of can help guide me. Want us to what was called a manda, just brilliant just might be like I dunno what I'm doing. and just like those we can fix. This has on the dollar, as this is the beginning. The first year obey twenty fifteen twenty seven february, sixteen, and so, but I was in us I was stressed out man and after a few years I was like really stressed out. Did you ever have impostor syndrome only from an executive point of you, never from a creative point of view

I had to learn how to be a value from a sort of creative executive point of view, too. To add value to that conversation at a company is as amazing as apple yeah. I've felt like I was completely out of my depth. I mean I'm on the I'm trying to to solve problems and be a part of the solution on the thing that the company I work for made. So every time I hang up homelike. Well what I just said it is gas dusty. Anything that I actually tangible royal right, so it's you want to figure that out and adjust its like anything is just. Is just commitment in time in and being to learn and just take take in take it out and tournament into dobson dobson dusky move afford right in that's what it was and saw an end and just get some straw. Mentorship like Jimmy was a very good mental for me. He can't canada mad. He kept the creative sight of me very

We have kept at five very stout and then over here you know I had in a great people at apple who were sort of saying. We actually think you are apple. We just take your time and figure out how you can combine the two languages. I want to unpack both of those things at. How did you keep their creative Fire stoked was that through the artist that you got to sit with or yeah it was just it was, was running. The station was running, beats one with a couple of people and kind of being invested in the in the artist. Side of it. We were very heavy on the oddest radio and I think that's a I. on that year and now one point or another, where we had dinner symphony and snakes taped to live his service, alongside out in John's rocket hour, which is still going you know, alongside drago vs on radio and doctor, trace pharmacy and then have it in us to assist insane the amount of artists that were helping us, build this thing and investing this thing with great ideas and creative. That was like a very incredible time for me, because I was just given this like front row seat and how

artists, think from a new upon a new playing field, they know how to make music. They know how to make videos and how to tour the know how to date, they've got their ecosystem kind of pumped, but you gotta give them a chance to kind of build a a space to to tell stories and talk to each other and play records that they like, and then you convince them that it's not just like this playlist radio that is actually can be any cause. It can be in the inexperienced world that wild because then the written when it dawns animal, I handled, is no difference between me working with the red jonah, great music, video so different. To that end, we do, in this light a k over your sound change. The game has there been such an incredible aesthetic the weight started, the music selections. They chose the way they would They drakes albums back tobacco. The way that they would speak on whatever issues here without us who challenges he was going through is clear in his life through his music heat hope. I was my

driving around ally and listening. I'm playing some sixteen for like an hour, an area how'd, he pleaded again every time he plays again us getting more excited it all it's like, oh, my god is, is crazy and then it would end and it'll be like six six six six and it would start all subjects that the funding for these look like, therefore, Bhatti, all aware when they looked for revenge, Our visit I'm driving around they look envelope and it dawned on me like this. We'll life going on in his world and the people he was. He was what he was doing, but I was like this is house? this is crazy. I'm getting takes on my brains, all over the world like what

what's going on right now, bro like what what what have you made and I'm like, we have made an absolute black beach in of artistic and creative culture like it was so exciting and so amazing- and it still is, but it's become a thing now it's become a is perpetual yeah for sure back. Then it was just like wild, and it was wildly stressful, but wildly exciting and styles to drink, and she has to everybody who has helped us, build that, like drake to me and and oliver and future in that crew, along with the other people and Jimmy, showed us how media could actually exist going forward for me in a subscription year that it really was about being a sorry to go on, but I'm excited about this time, and I never get. No one ever asked me about this. They always talk to me about that one thing or whatever, but this is the thing that is the biggest thing I probably ever was a part of it. Favor we built a radio station the streaming service with jimmy ivy that no one talks to me about it. I guess it's too new still wait did I and the thing you ve been waiting for us.

I know it's almost to even think you did. I just leave it or that we provide is now it so rad, especially if you think, as lady stories I love anybody's career who starts with like I was. You know the tape guy and I figured if I'm done air that maybe that would be a little bit better money, and then I took a chance- and I knew a guy in the uk and then and it just keeps organically moving to the next thing right and if you talk to the people who whose career stand the test of time it's decades long, it's them continually putting themselves into situations where they like. I don't know what the fuck. Doing right. But I think this is a thing yeah, which sounds like what you guys were in yeah. We and we were just moved by it, but yeah like we just saw what it could be like and also you know when you get a phone call hey. Do you want to take a leap, moved to allay work for apple, build a radio station

Jimmy entrench, resnick now so sure seem like At the time when it was announced it was I wow you're leaving them. we already have one. This is your legacy tat to me. I was like yeah. I am what what was that, like personally fear is: did you have a family that you move here? We don't culture shock. Was that or you guys loved l a it was such a vibe was a mix of everything. Really I mean there is no one easy answer that and no family. Whoever goes through a shift in lifestyle and life will moves around for one reason or another be positive, or for challenging it's ever going to be as simple as one thing right, you're going to have good days, you have tough days, sometimes kids can have a great day or sometimes the other, it's going to feel bullied? You know, sometimes it going to come home from work can be like wow. We really solve something today. I think we're on to something in the next town like this whole thing could fall apart and then my wife says that is going through her thing as well, that we're a real,

family life. We really are a unit, and you know it was tough times, but it is also incredibly exciting and I was very very happy to leave ready one because I wanted to because I was proud of it, of what we ve done like ours. like no one gets to walk away and put a ribbon on gambling and feel good about a lot of times. We used to grant long. Will it go, and that's that's happened to me too. So It was one of those rare moments where I was like I get. I get to kind of choose when to go and make it feel to me at least like I had done my job he knew. What I that's really cool and now in this new thing and also rachel like I had wanted to it with Jimmy Ivan. Since I was a child, I can't even imagine, but he was the first name on the back of a record that I ever saw. This had produced to it. So if you think about manifestation, like which I do with my got right eye

I believe I believe in it so much that I know that I don't do it enough. Here's the thing that people get twisted about manifest as we're always manifesting. Are you manifesting with intention right anybody keeping attention at all times like like? That's I'm sure you do that, like that's, ryan, reynolds he's that guy like, which is. Why isn't a billion or something I keep saying he's a master manifest like like drake, is a moslem beyond, say: jc master, manifested, at least in the entertainment business, I'm just referring to those people, the people who sort of go out there and just like change the course of energy and shift the time and space. You can't go to wrexham and you can know how high That is to take a team and inspire an entire organization to want to come. Of the lower leagues and climb up to the upper leagues. I owe to make a tv show about it to change the value of that. There is a mass of admired. It's it's a

setting. He's not my he's figured it out. Re read most of us, including myself. We do it at times with real intention of purpose and things change for us, and sometimes we just living out here, here comes the milan times bigger. Now we can be sure metaphysics I fuck off all I can do it. My intention is to get to bed right now so, but you know as well as a family, we knew the devil. But was on the horizon that that had been to some degree manifested over time and you that would be a change. Probably allies seem like the obvious place to go. It was half way back to new zealand families with canada. You know our nephews and nieces would get, nor do we want to get back to a family unit, but we didn't we're ready to move home, and so you know alice imperfect in his jimmy ivy knife I get a chance right at the tail end of his music era as well. I get that last round of mentorship, which continues to this day by like think I

Is there anybody like him or anyone else that you've met and you're cool, but on the inside you're shitting yourself cause you're so excited? I was shitting myself and not just because asks I love shitting myself cause he's, not he's no fool, and he you know you better bring your best idea and you've been always time and I mean the amount of times I tried to just fill the room. shit thinking. It was a value in his just so anyway, just drove on. I mean he's I've never seen anyone. Eighty q is like that. I mean I'm sure I can say that sam I mean I I think he's so he's so incredibly smart and intuitive in terms of working side by side when all sorts of a wiccan seeing him at workers is incredible and and that continues throughout the the the the the company at that level. Everyone is just so dominance of what works and what's good and how to make a better and how to

The right way very inspiring place to work. The jimmy of need never seen anybody so efficient with time like I've, seen him checked out until someone said the right thing and then he checked in he's, like I'm doing something, that's important and then, if you get my attention now, you're important and his focus on that he's. Just focus, focus, focus guy, has things just focus and then and then, while I'm guessing guessing my mate, he It just sees around the bend with like laser sharp focus. He just has the ability to see what's common and what could be make it better. He just he just knows to the point we get frustrated if you don't he's like. Why did why can't you see this

so clear and am because I'm I can't I'm not about our role as yours go. It's me in and see you get better being around him, but ass, his his native abilities doubt in pieces darlin. I heard him say something on energy years ago and have so fresh shaded with the interview work, they didn't follow up on what he sank. Driver of, so genius he's had a problem with people today. Any was particularly talk about artists and athletes. To come up is that they don't know how to cast their life. They dont know how to cast the players of their life, to set them up for success story, and I was like explain this and they just kept going. I was like somebody, then it's such a good line. I mean as somebody who he cost yeah that's wild to hear him say that, because I was there when he offered me the job and it was two minutes after I met him shut up. I was supposed to go meet him to see what he thought and we went for tea,

first of all, I get those that we are in the lobby waiting. We might manage a friend and he just walked on the left. You didn't know where we were or who we were, but he just lifted his hand ever went this way. And so we just follow them because his legs, such a policy, is that you cannot pay mind right now. I'm here come on, but we work environment is amazing. I love this story and then we just sit down and he just went follow me and he said that he said something to this effect I'll see. If I can get it right, he said so so anyway, I e one of them things I know how do I know like how to do, as I just know when someone's right for something. I just know and don't ask me how I know I dunno I just know, and he have a couple of examples. I gave a gag our example above of things very quickly. Like you know, I just knew and I knew in a new So anyway, some people that I know who know things tommy,

that you're someone should do this job and I agree, stopped a job like timid, I mean I hadn't even had a simple, my tea and his dislike to jump to the poor like this guy can't be that, like This is ridiculous. We haven't even spoken. We you don't even know who I am just qualified. He was like. Look. Here's the deal right now, your tubby game here, but someone's going to come up behind you and you're not going to know until it's too late and you gotta lift. They all I'm looking right here, look right and they're going to be on the sideline and you're gonna be like ugh. I think it is going to be have too much momentum and then you're gonna be figuring out like what do I do next and he's like any way avoid. That is, if you just change lanes during charge, translates to sometimes I the lanes using it, and you know him and his family, been incredibly cool me. A mining were very, very grateful to have them in our lives. Could people

Are you an ambitious person? What a great christian? What a great question? I think I am, I think I don't try not to wear it. I think I tried not to let it control me and feed the side of the human experience that can make more important than anything else. I like ambition with balance. I like growth over time, and I like experience that takes time. Yeah, it's the long game, and sometimes I get frustrated that it's not happening fast enough, because I'm having a day with its debt, my egos just peaked and I'm like. Why is that happening? And I'm not what the like? Just that thing? That's when ambitious! That's when I think, if, if you let that ambition take control, I think you can drive pretty radically on your road to life. You know, I think

in sacrifice, friendships and just duke things, and you may eventually get their quicker and bigger by don't wanna term behind me at an end of a great life and see a whole lot of like rate cause and rubble like. I want like just we'll balance and joy on about experience on about excellent experience and numb. I'm really grateful if my ambition helps to serve that and to make better experiences every day, a really grateful if it gets to provide better opportunities to do cool things things. I love a really. I really like what ambition, if you use it, helps to provide absolutely, but I don't want it to ever sacrifice anything I don't like when it when it choose. Things are poor. comes the thing I never have, and I think one of learned is I I I do get there. You know I am the proverbial tortoise. You know I do get there

I'm not really racing anybody else? I don't really look left or right. I'm just doing my thing now I mean back in the downloads younger, I'm sure I'd be like I like everybody, but now, I'm I'm really really contain and happy just keep to slide. Building on what I've already bell- and I like where I'm going in my life, I'm gonna be fifty this year. I am I looking back over seventh. I am alien Just don't I've been told. I am failure, as we are giving up. I'm excited about the next ten years really excited about it. Now I turned forty this year and I was so pumped for this decade. Every new decade, it's like oh brad, every time she turned a new decade she be like this is the year for this line of this is the

decade and she's just going to keep doing that as long as she's around. I think that's what my mum has dementia and I've seen this in real time as she tries to hold onto what's important to her, and I think a part of me now just wants to be as engaged in the in the in the in the The great experiences bear up be high and low. You know challenges in triumphs. I just want to be present as much as possible. Keep doing the work way or the other stuff and stay in a moment as much as I can so that you know, it's a blink of an eye. Am I'm actually I'm not afraid of being the blink of an eye eggs? I think dinner was just in it, the air. I wasn't really looking behind me looking at hit me too hot, so getting back to your question about ambitious, an ambition requires foresight. I have it, but I don't want it to. soon the moment. I want to stay here and trust that if I do great work and try to be

Deliver greater human experience every day, just be better and be of more service to my family, my friends in the people who invest in what I love to do. Then opportunities will come come on this amendment even kidding around like a man we ve talked about this. The company is your two three years ago before things was to the landing really on the radar with Paul costs of this calibre. You know no miss thinking. Oh we'll talk, design and, and it's cool How do I get to sit down with you and have this chat, because I feel like it's more a by product of major, consistently doing great work. and maybe you're like ok, maybe he's one of us here rather than me. So, kicking doors down and going my check it out. I've got this hunger, which is also the trend. Now is just the sort of stand on the top of the building and scream about all of the things that you are doing, as opposed to going back to that idea of intentionally and making really good choices.

I am curious, though, with a feeling is different ass. They went down through the feeling when I'm internalizing it and experiencing it quietly and privately than I do when I'm doing it emotionally. I don't you explain that different. I dont know, my feelings, but I'm emotional, about something, I'm emotional, I I try to separate the two things. It's a byproduct of a feeling, but it's not the feeling, I'm searching for the feeling, I'm searching for his or something that makes me am. I don't want to scream about something when I'm feeling it. I just want to get my eyes toward her. I want a smile. I want a laugh in a reason. I want things to be surprised at my reaction to surprise me, so I do try separate the whole like yelling about. What I'm going to do, or whatever? I just don't think. That's the intention, I'm after I'm, after the thing which I'm sort of experiencing almost on my own or with a friend and then I know how my life has changed. I just don't know how yet do you know what I mean. I do know what you mean yeah, it's like as a vegan

still in the air. Oh, it's shifting right now we're evolving, tangible and tangibility yeah. That makes sense yeah. How do you stay this grounded with a schedule like yours? I just don't look at the schedule as being a reflection of my sense of but I mean making an outsider perspective. It seems from the outside, but here you are. Ah you travel time amateur you're doing a lot. Your pouring out a lot. I think I'm in service more than I am to others are more than I. Nah careful. I think I'm I think I'm in so I am trying to be in service to multiple touch points and I'm not the only one, and I think when you lose your footing, and perhaps you not, as you said at most at your most grounded it's when a lot of external metrics of value, a sort of dominating your identity and telling you this is what you are. You are worth this much to this many people with this much

thing on it with this many people who want you to keep going and it's like? That's just numbers. I think that's what, when people just lose their footing is cause it's just it's all. Externalized and and my travel is a byproduct of wanting to get to the place to do the job or to have the experience, and when I get there, I just try to have the best experience and learn from it, and then the travel gets me home and the schedule is just designed to do the best work. I can have the most excellent experiences I can and best learning and then go home cause, I'm really happy at home. Yeah. Do you have practices that like do you meditate do yoga or you work out? What's your? What are those habits that are sort of

everywhere you're, going you're pulling those things and exercises become an non negotiable experience for. What's your what's your jam boxing is my jam hawk saying boxing train row. How are your hands? It's hurts I did boxing for a while and I loved it. Lots of it is actually more than anything call me because I'm a writer ryan, so I was like I'm going to destroy my ability to know the risks. For sure I mean, if I get the wrong angle, I feel it but such a good workout though I just love it, because it's it's mind in it's body and it's coordination and it's harmony like if, like festival, the circuit training is just really fun. three three three three three three by the end of like eight times three minutes, it's like he never gets to stick around long enough for something to be boring. I do jump rope too, sometimes for long periods of time and after a while my arm getting real bored of this right. So I do other exercises. I do love yoga. I will get some meditation, but I'm just buy rice too hot and it's a practice. I just need to focus on you know. I think something like golf help me get smits patient some other sport, which is what helped me right

slow, you down will help my brain slow down, but just sitting down and just trying to get my brain is slow down. I'm not very good at its heart, but the boxing for me, is the most fun exercise. If done its increase, we'll community of people that I've gone, did I'm getting to know what this Jim and dumb and like the one on one training when they start to actually get you into the mindset of like ok, I'm your train, you like a box and first of all, your feet, are all over the ship and you like oh my end, then you realize you supposed to go there there and then every time you don't you like. While I am just a terrible at this, and so you have to go That right, then, you have to get to arms right and you have to get your positioning right. Then you have to think about the congo's baton. I think the converse cause you miss the congo's up and then, when you if the combos up into debt one way or the other is going to tap me on the nose and I'm going to be like yep. So the whole thing is like for me again really wanting to keep my mental

as I get older for personal reasons, you know because of what I'm experiencing in my life right now with my mum and stuff and also physically wanting to be at my best as I get older, it's the perfect balance of the two and I and I walk out of there and I'm just I just feel, like you know my mind and my body it just like stopped this stove yeah. You know I wanna talk to you for nine more hours, the thought! What am I gonna? Do I ever yeah? It's that really goal, and I want to reassure you. While you were like all the things and keep going by all costs have like return gifts. Absolutely you are rather a return. Gas will have a european wherever this has been such an incredible. She like honestly, though, as when I got to sit down and hang out with you like. I said,

no. I mean, I think, for me. I've always felt like a bit of an a loner in this environment. Like I just dump my shit, you know, and I think it's been nice to be able to kind of feel like people who have gone out there and taken the conversation in a very human level to a lot of people and have found a way to india the themselves through their curiosity, with, like with guests and whatever, and expand people's horizons. Like you do, this podcast is successful because you're good at as gift as not just me guessing. You is obvious, as in the net, it's in the stats, so you know from my perspective, it's just nice to be invited, so thanks yeah. Well, I just want to acknowledge and you we can see your passion and as a fellow music nerd, it's really cool to have found someone to consume media from a person, who's not just doing an interview, but is genuinely in love with music.

thank you for that. What's your favorite nineties rock record! Oh god, if you had to pick one, oh man, if you had, I feel like it's too much pressure, and I literally came here thinking like I should have a list of albums. I tell you my siamese dream is my list. Oh yeah, you said that, but it's like super unknown as well. see. I love all music and I promise that I will stop talking. I love music, but if I was really gonna do something you gonna go seventies really like why at fleetwood, mac is my fault all time. Tom petty avenue me like a new young, go to. I love that you interview no young, he and I love some of its thugs. I know your country and, if it's not gonna icon, absolutely I got to go there though yeah you have to go there. That can be my little passing putting gift like he understands the human experience like beyond a great way to start a cat go and find as many of the live recordings. That he's he's he's drawing on the new young archive. As you can ok carnegie hall dislikes,

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