Trump gets a trial date for his second indictment as his legal problems get worse. A pair of Iowa and South Carolina polls show Trump still crushing the field and officially qualify multiple candidates for the first debate. The DeSantis campaign has finally landed on a "Let Ron Be Ron" strategy. Joe Biden’s campaign builds an unconventional operation to take on the Republican nominee. And later, New York Congressman Dan Goldman stops by to talk about prosecuting Donald Trump and the latest Republican antics around Hunter Biden and RFK Jr.
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Today show donald trump is still crushing the field and a pair of iowa in south carolina polls that officially qualify multiple candidates for the first debate, the dissenters camp.
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you you're talking with them is but first no third indictment just yet, although by the time you hear it, who knows by the time you hear this car jack, the judge, Eileen canon did set a trial date for trump's. Second indictment. The republican front. Runner is scheduled to stand trial on may twentieth. Twenty twenty four for stealing highly classified
comments from the white house. Trumps volume of deranged truths is also picked up considerably over the last forty eight hours, so maybe sums come in there he's now. Sharing posted accuse the government he led of staging the january.
the attack on the capital he also made a threat on an eye, were radio show last week that, if he's convicted and imprisoned his fans might do something even worse, is it something that concerns you of you know of the people making sure that they don't go out of their right?
If something like that happens, because I know what I'm thinking of could happen if that, for example, they do say
mrs ok, I'm going to put donald trump in jail
and it is a very dangerous thing. Turning even talk about because we do have a tremendously a passionate group of
voters- and I mean- maybe you know-
it'd be one hundred one hundred and fifty I've never seen anything like it, much more passion than they had in twenty twenty and much more passion than it had in two thousand and sixteen
okay. It would be very dangerous, where's, the one hundred and one hundred and fifty km from I just know that campfire the question is: are you concerned you concern? Isn't there he's really concerned? You can tell so his message here, trump's message here is that the insurrection
was a false flag operation. That could also happen again. If he's held accountable for breaking the law, you guys think will hear that defence from his lawyers in court,
yeah- and it's just. I think it's worth noting that this conspiracy theory that I, that january six was a false flag operation, that the service f b I plant led
rwanda charge the capital has been around for a while and
a guy named re apps, whose a former member of the oath keepers and militia ah had to
sell his house in move because he was getting threats from other
crazy right wing people who suggest that he was some sort of fdi plant. He is absolutely not there's no evidence to to prove any of this, but trump and Steve Bannon naughty guys have latched onto it to push this false flag, narrative and it's very scary, yeah two thoughts, one. If he, he, you can not call that you can't call this a strategy of any kind, but if it is, it is not a legal one. It is just a thrashing pr campaign ah to to to make got to sort of excite the base.
and keep republicans in the fold. But what striking amounted to me? As you know, one thing we ve noticed over the years about all these different attorneys, who involved and sundry trump investigations. Is they become so um radicalized in favour of prosecution? Like you see it out of the people that came at a mother, you see it out of all these different investigations, and I just think you know you're you're working on this case. There been death threats against prosecutors, you're working day and night. Looking at this,
reason and ridiculous illegal activity by the far presented states? Is it all worth it? Should I fight again to morrow, then you turn on the television and his learned, nothing here.
Doing it even more and just get out of the subway, and you call it a day. Yeah get some get some get a tuna foot long. Look I just undergone a surly helps
some argue that the violent attack was a secret fbi operation, but also threatened that his supporters may do it again. If he's convict,
he had to do was in every plant, but also they might do it again, and this hold its like he's had so many different. This is where you can have some mass and issues when this indictment comes down. He said so many different explanations for january slicks like let's on june twenty second of of this last year, he said january. Six was not a simple protest. It was not a simple protest. It represented the greatest
movement in the history of our country to make america great again. I forgotten that he said well in July is very similar to to the conversation he has with preparing. You know he goes on. He basically does like improv excuses and lies and justifications, but every single one would require a different fact pattern. Every single one is something a prosecutor can ask him
Add a trial, so every day goes out and makes whatever defence attorney is. Don't answering. The phones lives difficult, more difficult every single day, and even
no he's getting on the phone with like stefanik mccarthy, trying to strategies how the house investigations can help him
interference, none of that is gonna, make his legal arguments any stronger. None of that
anything to do with the actual threat he faces from the justice system,
Things very scary and is clearly a thread putting the the good news is like some of the hard core. Maugre types have been out there saying to the other supporters. Do not go to these protests. Do not back him, do not get violent because he hung us all at the dry on january, sex and in part in those people and sure enough. There was a pretty small, relatively small,
crowd outside the courthouse when he was indicted for the site. Yet look. It only takes one person fisher
there are the height of his at the height of his powers. Why
in the white house in a violent cause. That was explicitly about keeping him empower, not protecting him in front of a court house not stop again even long before he could ever become president. What what was mustard. It was in violent attempt to overthrow the government. It hurt a lot of people occur
as a lot of damage, but he's got chaos and mayhem support. He doesn't ever have. There's no revolution. Would you guys make of the may two thousand and twenty four trial date for the classified documents indictment? So here's why I think trump was was treating so angrily. I think he just
that what is next year's like food and it is a rough calendar, its october october, second, new york, civil fraud, trial january fifteen, second aging carol. Civil defamation. Try also the davy ilo carcasses, a hustler david reflected back to bed. One march twenty fifth Manhattan husband, trial may twentieth. The classified documents trial out of florida
there has that we can deal with these guys and jackson in DC. We got the georgia case, so he's got his he's heading out on his chums legal areas,
or you know, he's got like a wedding or two also write down. Everyone's got a couple of ways that he's got a therapist thing. I mean this is a this. Is a terrible, propagated dj, a few weddings right at mar a lago himself he's booked me. I know he's a dj now like forget, forget that he was
Isn't it forget everything else? This is a man about to face six independent trials,
I will willingly away knowing it forget about luckier president politicians has any
when faced with many, thereby riled for separate crime.
Crimes yards programmes in a year, but guys
it's like we got to call again. This is like it's getting up. Is a record like I don't remember the enron people, but look at this is this? Is wild, so jack smith wanted december. Twenty two thousand and three trump's lawyers wanted never
it doesn't take movies that they wanted the postponed indefinitely, but certainly after november, twenty twenty four cannon landed in may, but of course it could still be postponed from a twentieth, as you very likely, it will be possible to do to preach due to its end, due to its as routine pretrial motions.
Right then the amount of soda according to your times amount discovery evidence. The trumps layers of the go through will include more than a million pages of unclassified material. Nine months of surveillance, camera footage in fifteen hundred pages of classified documents,
they're gonna get to work could take a minute areas where
when I say that in the last man, that's like the others on guiding rightful concern that the fact that it landed in
cannon school room was nerve racking for people. That assumes you would do everything I can to help tromp. We don't know yet what can actually unfold like what what she could do so a lot of power and if she set this date, may be the date set so that she can postpone again. Who knows when you see these three other cases and the fact that there are two more done coming down the pie.
you're, sorry to see that that be. Do you gonna need a lot more help deliveries. Bees of it is you look like as the primary schedule
And we don't know when the jack smith or the georgia cases could land, but it does seem like what we're heading towards is appeared a time in which
while trump is running for the nomination. He has the microphone he gets to describe it to voters. He gets too to talk over every is opponents. He gets a continued to define january six and his various legal troubles to his adoring fans. But then all this,
then, perhaps after he has put himself on a path to be the nominee, then the trials begin and then trump
longer than one you know drums of deprivation, never job faster or
or than during the insurrection, because he could not overcome the video, the visuals that were coming out of what took place and now the sudden
can talk only wants, but trials look like trials
and they had a rhythm all their own. Look, it's very possible that republicans nominates someone who will be a convicted phelan by the time novell
twenty twenty four comes or could have happen between haven't between him. Getting enough delegates in the convention lay could happen
those months in that
In that scenario, it's possible if they were a sane party, the republicans could try to rest the nomination from him at the convention, but who are we getting there? They're moving fork, and this is only look. It is interesting that the that the march date for the I keep forgetting about the stormy daniels one so there
that trial could take a couple weeks and it could get a guilty verdict, thereby April or may in may, if, if cannon doesn't move it, you know, that's the like two three four weak trial of a year- and I think I say said like six weeks: private minimum for that trials at pre convention, which means
in the party has time to remove him as the nominees you're, not officially on aid until adding July. Eighteen is the final day of republican convention. It won't happen. We are not that lucky. They suggest not forget about that. Just to see the fight. How had on the fire
great values. I think, but, like I think,
I'm taking away from seeing all these different trials unfolding is,
lucky. We have to be done,
other blogs everyone's, it's another part of the two, as once you add you had a jack Psmith case. You add the georgia case and even if the trial, one of them slips
We're still staring at a spring summer and fall where potentially the dominant issue in front of voters
is the most unsavory and unpopular position trump has ever taken, which is I don't really support. Democracy it'll become central to the campaign. You know by those images side by side, fred trump on trial, for
insurrection and bite and campaigning- I don't know on a road. You know what a with a rodent shovel authority good, some
Let's do like medicare advantage plan roll out or foreign policy species danny's doing
indictments and per boxes message. Events, if you will be a step and repeat behind him outside the courtroom, well which court
I mean cause they're all going to want their own brand and one is was: was there any swing? State court yeah? I guess the georgia. He could spend time campaigning really make sure he's got two birds committed wisconsin crime. Next, an idiot also trump's, going to new lawyers that he wants to trump wants. Cameras in the courtroom could just be something to say because he knows that the a
We won't allow cameras in the courtroom, criminals out trump wanted at. You wanted people to see what was going on. There will be a great with that
It was that our new show a jury duty
in recent years. Be for this right would be amazing, I'm mad as early as how do you do in the classified documents on that's dogs, you that's why it's gonna be happy without a balanced. How so most drums primary opponents still refuse to
ten the idea that he may have broken the law by attempting the coup and some are even pretending. The January sixth,
wasn't really an insurrection hears TIM Scott, my pants and run dissenters. I hold the folks who broke into the capital with ill will and their hearts destroying property responsible for their actions. I don't hold the former president who didn't show, but the capital inside my life as well.
Possible, while his words were reckless. I am based on what I know: I'm not yet convinced that they were criminal. President trump was wrong on that day and he's still wrong in asserting that I had the right to overturn the election, but what his intentions were and, as you know, of criminal charges, have everything to do with intent on what the what the president's state
Mine was, and I dont honestly know what his intention was- that it was not an insurrection. These are people that we're
air to attend a rally, and then they were there to protest now a devolved than any devolved and into a riot. But the idea that this was a plan to somehow over too
throw the government of the united states is not true, and it something that the media had spent up.
Somebody is honestly doing an insurrection against the. U S, government than proved that that's the case, and I would be happy to accept that we approved it. Many times is whether all fuckin jail.
That is just fyi. That is, while the most galling part of that is MIKE pence. Saying he didn't know what trump's intentions were ye. You did dude. You talked to him. He wanted a very
you people got to talk to him in his intentions, were their diet.
Yet more don't have the guts to to share with. You will also remember as a meat. For some reason, this made me think of the cabin mccarthy phone call, Robert mccartney's halls trump in the middle of the attack and he's
they're trying to kill me and then down drums like well kevin. I guess there angrier about the result,
the election than you are her then he's like they're fucking trying to kill me. They all knew what the intention was that it was in order that the textbook case is not about just january six, the days of the sprawling effort to overturn the election day. But what we do
there to me is a story: it's like compounding political cowardice. Right like the conall wooden impeach, you just talked about the Kevin Mccarthy phone call.
right after that, he said that trump bears responsibility that congress him. Then he would crawl.
back down to mar a lago to kiss the ring when he realized he needed trump to get the votes to be
eager. So now, here we are in a twenty fifteen saw conundrum where none of trumps opponents will actually attack,
for leading an insurrection cause they all china like when some sites
or of his voters by taking a bleak shots were running to the
if I'm on policy and its it failing miserably about about hopeful optimistic candidate, tim scott setting the bar at well, he didn't come tried
kill me personally at the capital. Now I'd out now not holds him responsible now, and I want it doesn't.
Murder me air, so gay. I would like to say in defence of unilateralism.
As TIM Tim's got spins one over here, yeah the stim time gazette, but their seatbelts, because I were in a rocketship but the, but I did check out those aisles we'll get to it, but we're going to get to that, but I feel the g forces can feel the g forces, but but I he does a as responsible
in next year's. This year's the sound part of the graffiti is responsible. They clearly think this is the only way they can win the republican nomination, those three if they, if they genuinely think they can win the republican nomination, which I presume they still do, which because they're spending all this time on the race. Are they right? No
It's ok with the iowa poll, because I think that tells a story like that. There's a there's, a new I will pull out. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I assume John does in the intro to this segment sure sure what what we got trump: forty from forty six rond de santa sixteen tim scott, eleven vivek ramaswamy, six and nikki Haley five.
This is the thames got rocket ship young doubleday, jane iowa as to danish wisely dublin digits baby, but it seems clear to me that all of this support- that's going to TIM Scott another's, is coming from ride. Santas. No one is chipping away trump here he still doing great
No, no, it's not working there, fighting each other, like twenty two states, definite, not working for sure, but when you look at the poles of how republican voters feel about january. Sixth, thirty two percent of of republican voters approve what
and on january sixth, that's fortunately a lot. That's, unfortunately about well we'll get get him, I'm going to get something worse: okay, only fourteen percent of republicans described trump as very responsible for january sixth, compared to forty five percent of all voters into this was a political poll from earlier this year. They did a bunch of polls around the anniversary, and then they haven't done any since on january, six, I'm sure we'll get more soon. In total, only thirty one percent of republican voters said trump was very or somewhat responsible for january. Sixth,
even though fifty nine percent of all voters a sign that level of responsibility to trump pupil from december. Only nine percent of republicans think trumps. Attempt to overturn the election was a crime. Eighty one percent say it wasn't criminal and its worth noting tis edward o, since that the numbers of slowly shifted, and it depends on how you asked the question, but roughly what roughly two thirds of four publicans believe that the election was only wasn't legitimately decided at this point. They they sort of have bought into this in its or of part of the, like. The hallmark of this era, which is when someone I grant assent is ask that question is. He is he saying
He believes that the base of the party also believes, or is he doing a shibboleth and signaling to them that he's not going to give into the mainstream narrative, because he understands that we're all in this fight together to protect to you know to protect
proper whatever it may be, because none of us can really. We can't tell these are
since there is any different, you there's a difference in practice, but I do think it's like it's right cause he's not saying this is
I believe he sang look at how I fight died.
a self fulfilling prophecy. Like no one believed
The thing I won't make an argument for well, of course not now am I saying that I would make this the thrust of my campaign if I run against trump? Absolutely not. I probably answer honestly and as briefly as I could and then to the extent this is part my argument, it would be to me about elect, like look most of the country
is this guy for the insurrection. That's the last image they saw of him as president. That's why he can't win like that's what I would do, but yeah I mean I I
at the time? Could you that that would have been a great? I would have been great when no one's fighting, no one can believe that answer, but it's nobody softening the ground that it's like it's rock solid. It's another collective action issue too, because, like all these republican politicians in private would probably say that's what this is. What the base thinks look at these poll numbers right, but where do you think republican voters take their cues from they take their cues from the leaders of the party and from the people that the idiots that they see on tv who are also lying about their shit? So if that's all, they ever
of course throughout these polls are going to bake and also look at Chris Christie. Who is been out there trying to make the argument and what's what's happened? Trump's numbers hasn't moved his numbers haven't moved. The only thing that's happened is more and more republicans when asked the question fight, say that he's an unpalatable candidate, the only person that can vote for him but he's risen in the polls a little bit into the number you know
he's got a couple of points but atrazine out. Well, so s tommy pointed
whatever the other candidate doing it doesn't seem to be working here. We heard the I will pull from fox. There is also
Caroline uphold it. They released that's trump. Forty, eight hayley fourteen dissent as thirteen scott ten,
pants for noticed that it makes mention, might pens in the ilo paul because it was under Nicky, alien vivid ground, the swami six and five. So these results from these two poles officially qualify trump to santas, hayley, rama, swami, scott and chris Christie. For the first debate a month from now my pants and dug bergen insist veil qualify, but they haven't yet pens hasn't yet because he doesn't have the donors. Yet, though it does have the poles and bergen
as the donors, but he doesn't yet have the pulse three. The EU, the donors in the polls, why we need a new, the pulse manna. That's a good question. I guess because poles are like it's hard to transpose and, like donors are like real actual peoples,
I guess it was founded. Asians ran through the other I spent. The incentive structure has really to methley really has fucked up has dug burgomasters buying buying donors at twenty dollars, a pops out you're right what he does make it here.
Was so thirty point lead and I, with six months to go when you think tommy, I want to tell you my favorite part of this law is that
was. I would the debate later, but fox slipped into question about what you think it means
for a presidential candidate to skip the negative. Eight fifty nine percent said shows a candid, its weakness rather than strength. Twenty seven percent legend polaris foxes like were hosting the first debate. Don't you think it's week if you skip it? Also, though, how cowardly to phrase? The question like that incentives
and what do you think about trump skipping, the right which probably would have gotten iterative? They wouldn't have got it that I would have flipped it edit and death.
I, like I anxiety. Both these will show trump is very firm, led net rhonda santa's is hemorrhaging support and I think there is room for other people that,
little many boom. Let's, but it's humiliating for my pants, like you said for it
and voters in the iowa poll said they couldn't support him at all. Ever I mean that is just devastating he's done. Trump gets at the education divide was per usual in the republican party and in the electorate. The the starkest in both these polls trump in iowa, gets fifty seven percent of those without a college degree. Only thirty three percent of voters with and the challenge for all these other candidates is in that within the republican electorate. It's just an electorate that is more non college educated than it is college educated, and that is especially true in a state like iowa. It is especially true in south carolina, it's not as true in new Hampshire, which is why that's probably of the three states trump's, where state currently, even though he's still kicking ass, trump's other best groups, voters under age, thirty, five, it's interesting that young people are one of his best groups. Very conservative voters and voters who rarely attend religion
services, though in south carolina white evangelicals, are one of the strongest groups, so is it. This is one of the things were across all categories: religious, not religious, a wholesale magi winning and the young on the on the young finds itself liking group of people they kind of young people that are that our republicans
right in the state of iowa are going to be a pretty conservative contingent, but it actually more points to the other problem. A lot of these candidates have, which is at least in twenty. Sixteen there was a lane for going after more concern.
Angelica voters, but this poll found that across iowa and south carolina
they have indelible numbers track. The main pulling the biggest issue,
if people care about, though, and the iowa one was defeating Joe Biden and not on issues which again makes you wonder: hey rhonda santas? Why are you running to the right of trump on all these random issues? Instead of going after his electability, you moron well, this is why I take that that the
and that has turned republicans against trump over the years- has been the sin of him not being electable sentiment losing and the fact that they're not saying that these indictments hers are are a sign that he can't win and no one's making that argument even to santa's after his reboot we'll get to it, but he's not even making that argument. They are advancing trump's message right by saying that, like even though they're they're trying to say well, it's let's, I'm just focused on the weaponization of the justice department of two tiered system. That's trump's message that is from central message about his indictments. Here's where you're gonna get excited love, it tim Scott, most opportunity to grow in iowa, only twelve percent say they'd, never back him, which is the lowest of the major candidates. Ninety per cent are open to him.
and he has drawn from a wide range of demographic, so he's drawn from moderates and from very consumers. Every lessons got things got. Let us have areas of relate the eighties. Ninety percent backing book to be obeyed, disliked him scotty, does have to a great options: people data gardener, who people rate and scobie quarter there, so they didn't know anything about him to make a decisive think about that
knowledge of being an irish republican, where you can choose between people as great as trump and scott right with dissent is as your third choice
How cool is that? How cause I'd like there's like a chilly that chiefly factory and all gone right there right there at the side of the road where toy
this earlier before their recording. But it is interesting to me that in south carolina dissenters has slipped a third, but it's not because scots in seconds, because haley's and second, my guess, is that just
she was a very popular governor there and people know their governors a little bit more than that better than they know their senators. But that's my only launch a campaign version, much more events, arizona's yeah, so trump aides said to the washington post over the weekend. It's unlikely he's going to change his mind about skipping the first debate, despite pleas from his favorite fox.
Costs and not just privately they're doing it on the air apparently pathetic. I know in addition to those poland questions, tommy mentioned. What do they think are the political dynamics of a debate without trump though it seems like we are key
leaning towards do you imagine the hell, just hold his own big event and counter programme it and try to still all of their funds,
I think that now and I think they threatened- that may said, like maybe he made sat down with tucker for Tucker, show to counter reform of better handled. It shone ass. Yet all the oil that point tramell is: why would I do that debate I'll, just increase the ratings and then foxes playing into that argument? By being like, please come, do the debris,
We need the ratings, he's smart enough to know that held this watch, a bunch of beating candidates attack each other instead of him and look like the beating
and like enron, the swami increased cresty about there being, like trumps, afraid to debate us if he such as iran, swamis vincent
What is wrong with me? That's why he's either
iran has already said it in the best way? He said he said an h, it looks like trump trump might be afraid. I sure hope not and seem like him something like that. He could be a surprise, like a quote, unquote star of the debate without trump and his, because that guy doesn't have much to lose and he's just sort of swinging for the fences. I'm interested to see like how much christy, how much time christie spends
after a trump. Does Christie also try to light up the santa's? Does anyone else try to light up the centres of trumps out there because he's still number two and you might as well go after him like what happened? I think Christie not only goes out for trumpet calls out everyone else for not having the courage to go for trump, which will see other
yet again went out and then they do they dislike pivot or they do they defend
someone defend defend drunk land areas. They are willing to work that you put. Maybe if rama swami wasn't on the stage, you would think right this debate as chris crispy chris christie christmas day.
Friskers beavers everybody else and he's gonna make that case against them, but with rama swami, there is sort of like a chaos agent, and then you have to think dissent is highly scott.
Someone up there is going to come with a plan that is ready for what to do when Chris Christie does that kind of a broadside against the whole field and take it, but I don't know if it can be. It can't just be defend trump, so you'd think we're under santas. Rhonda Santos has to do a version in front of the debate audience of the argument. For basically, you know get things done trump without the chaos. He has to kind of make that case and that's the question how hard he does it. I think you just go with, like the ronald reagan, eleventh commandment,
thou shalt, not attack other republicans bullshit that their owns use do and come and get it for unity and being job. I knew I could see teams gun, Doug bergen, doing that to do in the bird as a lot of fighting up here, but I think we ve fighting too much and we need to look forward, but I can't see Doug bergen doom
many things. I honestly, if you, if you right here, I wouldn't is Harry the and here I am sitting quietly because eavesdropping of our
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south carolina Paul is just one of the many shitty headlines for his campaign. Lately lots of stories about shake up in reboots over the weekend that have all the campaign classics would get it done
telling politico it's time to let round be wrong. We got a new media strategy
that they're calling dissent, as is everywhere cigarette
the campaign on the clean up, the campaign blowing through cash on private planes and fancy hotels we get in fighting between the campaign and the super pack. Meanwhile, the campaign briefly retweeted another bizarre video over the weekend that ends with a neo nazi symbols, superimposed on a florida flag and the candidate spent the weekend threatening to sue bud light.
for sending a beer to a trans person and he tried to explain a line in his state's new education curriculum that reads. This quote: instruction includes how slaves developed skills, which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. Here is descent as his response to their curriculum, followed by a fiery denunciation from a vice president. Kamala harris
the boat most robust standards in african american history, probably anywhere in the country. I think that they're probably gonna show some of the folks that eventually par laid, you know being a blacksmith
into into doing things later later in life. How is it that anyone could suggest that, in the midst of these atrocities that there was any
benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization? So it seems like the dissenters. Reboot is off to a strong start, ha of all of these dissenters, imploding stories and details of which there were many to comb through, which do you guys think are most politically consequential and which are just fun to mock. Or do you think we like this comment he made about slavery? Is one of the dumbest most offensive, like straight out of the last cause, revisionist history, narrative things that I've ever heard a politician do, I know, obviously, was his board of education, but they did it because of his stupid. Stop woke act and it's just worth saying that even
examples that the florida department education held up as individuals who benefited from slavery. Many of them were never enslaved. One of them was a poet in a writer,
Not a lot of slaves were taught how to read and write during savers. It's like its outrageous on its face its frankly, why critical race theory gets taught in the first place, so I do think it is worth
put in a stamp all conway. I said therein like explaining how outrageous this, as I also want to say about that too, there's a lot of protest
It is pundits on X,
ewing about how this was out of context, but they're like look at the whole curriculum look and it's like yes, the entire curriculum does explicitly call for kids to learn about the many horrors of slavery. But still why do you include that line? Why does anyone need to be taught that? Oh there were some skills that were useful later on? Why else would you teach that
we're, if, if it not if, if not fer, to like topology, it's too big to apologize worded as there were some silver linings, there are some silver lining. It's also bullshit again his examples. A blacksmith like people across africa knew how to forge, ire,
in other metals, before slavery, media that the famous bronze statue use at the bridge.
Looted and took them to their museums, as were created in the sixteenth century. It also doesn't matter if you picked up a fuckin skill at waiting. While you were being raped and tortured into humanizes matter, it's wrong. It's if I listened ray. I think I just want to add mighty sense this, which I also believe slavery was morally reprehensible area voted in plenary are and as we are well heard, whose you know I was at one percent somebody's pulse. You just made the point simply which is now slavery was not a jobs programme rania, which I thought was pretty good christine
attacked him for vigilance and crowd. I do think that, like this is part of like dissent, is thought that this anti woke thing with his ticket to being like the republican standard bearer the person, I could replace tromp his way into the hearts of like the kind of rapid base of the party, but he keep getting dragged into these.
Dick you ass, an embarrassing and extremist controversies that make him seem unelectable and undermines his his main argument. Its main thrust for what he could be termed be trump may is better yet like this risk. Another crazy sort of food tumor edge, lord video, that had the nazi symbols then like all of them,
shit that the curriculum there at the new york times had the d a little story. I little detail that the homophobic, slash, homer erotic, add was actually made by
This anti staffer. Now Sylvia maiden house. All these things like, I think, deeply, hurt him in a general election should
ever get. There are just two online and, of course, in your to online to bubble e right wing campaign, of course, you're you're young video.
Tapirs are the most on line of them all right. Making this absolutely incomprehensible and hateful fuckin gibberish that europe
spreading on the internet because it because it makes you and a few other read it trolls fucking, laugh. You look within this narrative generally that his camp,
is a and it alexandrovitch a massive destruction in it. It's infecting everything they do
This dance at the media wants a blood sacrifice. They want, like the campaign manager fired, doesn't like look, I run is ready to do that.
But he's all argument was like: hey guys, I'm trump, but I'm competent. You know I can exe
No, I ain't, no language. You can't run your own campaign in the profligate spending. I mean
they were having some donor retreat they held. It is something called the stein ericsson lodge in dear valley,
we're recording this on Monday July. Twenty for the cheapest room available is tonight is five hundred and forty dollars. We we held our
It isn't two thousand seven years in fucking des moines. Is deer valley not one of the ninety nine counties, because that is their? Are their caucus? Goers hang out in deer valley like what are you doing out there I mean, I mean also the fact that his fundraising, while you know it was decent, was heavily heavily dependent on villa
a very wealthy donor last out outdone, who now can't give again and now they're blowing
all of that money on private planes, because the candidate and his wife prefer travelling on private planes and fancy hotels, but then
in the store you find out in the new york times that ah the candidate and his wife are also very surprised that they had spent that much money. I bet I bet they were with what how do they think? How do they think they got to deer valley here?
hey. This episode was quite as nice as we got the whole room at a group go right to the runway. It's neat that a group plus yeah, that's cool, we'll have a hot compress. Thank you, and then you mentioned this to the there. He has like a super pac with Wallach one hundred and twenty something million dollars that are sitting on, but they can't even coordinate like our campaign. Finance system is so broken and terrible, you're not allowed to coordinate, but they with a super pac of your federal campaign. But everyone does it through like unofficially,
events in and Nemo's shit in it, a scientist campaign put out a memo attacking
super pack for not spending more money in new Hampshire, I believe
I put not putting any ads on the air up in new Hampshire. Then it came out that the campaign manager freelanced into that without telling the rest of the staff like everything, is leaking that not only did they not listen to the campaign memo, the super pac did not get. The memo did not get the hint from the memo. That said, we will not cede new Hampshire, which was a hint to them to go up under Hampshire. They said fuck you are not going to do it run to santas, did an interview with fox where they asked him about his positive ads and he's like you know what I can't. I don't control the super pacs
pretty soon they should be lighten up the air with some real positive ads about me. Baden have not yet. This is the reason I imagine that can be lighting up the airways pretty soon with a lot of good stuff about me and that's going to give us a great lift. Since then, the sewer back has not aired a positive at oregon up in new hampshire. It's very it's very like and it's like. Can you tell? Can you tell the super pac that I'm mad at them
and as your as like well, we know you're mad at us, but we don't care because we're going to do what we think is right. It's like oh well. What can you just tell them that we heard that and we don't accept it, and we would really appreciate some positive ads is just one more great quote from the campaign manager and a memo that we have to talk about all the
Andrews needs to drive news and when this primary is a mike and a crowd,
yeah so going going to use we we need to. We need to hear rhonda santas more. Meanwhile, every like
to give him, give him making a crowd and he's the best ads around at this attitude, never hear his voice, the the other, the other. As part of one of these various reboot stories, I thought this statement from
folks person was revealing. The media in DC elites have already picked their candidates, Joe Biden and donald trump. Rhonda santa's is now
been the favourite or the darling the establishment and he has won because of it. Every time he's lit
most of this fund raising is because, like the the richest part of the republican establishment, pitched in just goes to like this, like crew. Do you think you're talking to who is who is blue
I don't buy into that argument. What the voter believes the media leads donald trump yeah. What voter? What person that pays attention at all to any of this is like ugh, I'm sick of these
establishment candidates. Yet at thy donald trump, Andrew romero, adding spokesmen it's like twelve different versions of the same baghdad by quotas is absolute nonsense, but it just like
hey, you can do any reboot you want like what is your argument. I got our
You changing like looking out. I'm glad, I'm ok,
What do you want? I didn't want to do
I hold another section on dissenters today, but like he has given us no choice. No, they just get there. The the reboot shake up, embarrassing stories they just keep coming, will try to hold off on dissenters, for awhile will say really well we'll say. Well, maybe we'll make news. The voters are meanwhile,
The Biden campaign is feeling confident and they're building a somewhat unconventional operation to take on the republican nominee. The washington post did a deep dive on what they're calling the hidden Biden campaign, which is a move to outsource a lot of their operation to the dnc state party, state organizations outside groups, political reports that the Biden campaign is also feeling hopeful about flipping north carolina for the first time since obama did in two thousand and eight and axios notes that the republican arguments against Biden on crime, immigration and inflation are starting to crumble, even as the president's approval ratings are still stuck in the low forties, we'll start with the post story
the operation that it describes very different from the campaigns we worked on. What you make the strategy I mean it seems to me to be entirely driven by fundraising. There was
by this, when, when binds fundraising, numbers can up and twenty fourteen, the supreme court ruled that
they change can be financed law that struck down limits on the aggregate amount. A person could donates a federal candidates into political party committees so before
Ruling you're donation to candidates, parties and political committees was captured a hundred twenty three thousand dollars now, there's no limit. So, if you can,
through these, the Dnc and other state and party organisations. You can go to big donors and say: hey: can you cut us a nine hundred thousand dollar check and.
Brace a lot of money pretty fast. That way, as opposed to raising thirty three hundred for the primary three three hundred for the general, which is what you can get directly into Biden's presidential campaign itself. So it seems like that's. Why they're doing this, I think there's an obvious upside there that the risk is that sounds very challenging to coordinate to me.
Yeah You'D- need a emmy looked at the incumbent of either party running for reelection is always basically canoe.
Control the Dnc or the rnc, but the coordination has always been a bit of a challenge. Trump did this, though, and in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty with the rnc, the rnc basically ran the whole campaign. Yet most of the staffers were there most of the field operation was run out of the rnc you can still like. I remember in twenty twelve, even though we still had a big operation in Chicago, the Dnc was still like work for all intents and purposes, working for the obama campaign. So this is just like now. The Dnc is basic.
under the Biden, operation, doing everything polling, research, message, testing, it's basically not separates like part of the campaign and legally, all you need to do to make sure is to make sure whatever you're doing benefits, democrats and not just Biden, so anything the Dnc does just has to throw a democrat.
It's two just for legal that and you've seen that like this is a this is sort of 'em you've seen ads like this, and this has been a part of campaigns for awhile, because even before the limits were raised, you could still donate more to the Dnc than you could to an individual
pain and so large and you'll, see and add. It will say thanks to job
and the Democrats were investing in infrastructure and that's an ad that can be paid for out of the Dnc. So it seems like it's a an extension of that and just trying to turn a bug into a feature, because one other piece of this that could be good for the long term is instead of a campaign being stood up and then taken down. You know every every four years. Instead, you could be building the infrastructure at the Dnc which can be used in future prison.
Campaigns in other campaigns, you haven't got a good arguing for it. I mean look historically speaking, the Dnc has been at times very effective and at times very ineffective, and I think that's kind of the challenges you know when you start a campaign. You build it from scratch,
you spring and although leadership and all the staff in the culture
and sometimes is harder to change the culture and place it already exists. So thou be that end. Coordinating these state campaigns like if every state part
it was like wisconsin. We would win fifty states, but it's not the other one. Yet. The other piece of this, too, is a Joe Biden. Hillary Clinton like these, were you know, people with long relationships with the broader democratic party. Ah, in two thousand and eight barack obama is running an insurgent campaign building his own organization, which is a different thing, and so yes, this works
well in a reelection bid for an incumbent, democratic president, but it'd be harder in future election year. When the other thing we, the only thing we haven't mentioned, is the for an incumbent, the like the most important strategic decisions on a campaign still happen within the white house. So, even though, in two thousand and twelve, we had a large sprawling organization in Chicago and all over the country like David pluff and you know, pfeiffer and everyone else were still like in the white house and legally there. You can work on the campaign in your free time and also there are many functions which just aren't technically, you know one or the other, and so most of the high level strategic campaign decisions were still made in the white house. Consulting the campaign is the concept of free time in a way that job is very funny and also federal campaigns. You get better rates on on tv ads
then like super pacs, you, for example, and that's actually a big advantage down the stretch when it's a really crowded ad market, so I'll see how they handle that. What do you guys think of the argument that north carolina could be or could be, the arizona or georgia of the cycle? You mean a place that keeps me up at night sure
it's a man I'm in order the you know
I'd like to have one worse. They give me up and that's it
their arms and biden like roughly, have the margin in twenty twenty north carolina. One fact manure
I know they added about between two thousand each sixteen and twenty twenty. They added about two million new potential voters, both young people aging into the voting pool and people moving in from out of the
like that, has continued to every year. North carolina starts to look a little bit more like say: Virginia
Meanwhile, we are in a race to fine states where we can win as things get harder and harder in some of the states. We talked about like ohio, another place like that,
yep, so Obama won north carolina in two thousand aid Biden lost by one point: four percent in twenty twenty. I am very much in favor of of playing offense there and Roy cooper is a popular governor. He can't run again, but he is a known quantity and he can run around the state and make the case north carolina pass a twelve week.
Ocean ban, which I suspect is very unpopular and they might run.
I a bonafide crazy person named mark robinson for governor. He is currently the lieutenant governor and that might help a you're right loved. There's been a lot of growth, population growth in urban and suburban.
areas that are favorable to Democrats. I did see some weird numbers about voter registration that were not good. Republicans have done better than democrats in voter registration in north carolina since two thousand and twenty so that ours have gained six thousand voters. While democrats lost more than one hundred and seventy five thousand don't know what happened there, I don't either, but it it. There is a trend with a lot of the southern states in voting registration. Where Democrats lose voters who are like you know, republicans in every way, but their party registration and they finally switchover right yeah like the realignment there, but I should look into that. The interesting about twenty and Biden doing better in twenty than sixteen is trump had a much better electorate in north carolina in twenty. Then he didn't sixteen. There was higher a higher percentage of republicans turned out. There was higher white turnout and higher rural turnout,
and he still did worse than he did in sixteen against Clinton, and that was mostly because of these democratic gains in urban and suburban counties, which is where all the hope was always based in north carolina that the urban and suburban areas, the research triangle and everything which is the population growth. There would end up doing what happened in georgia. For Democrats, the mark robinson thing is also what I think
regrets are hoping for is a for sure, the nominee just because he is you know. You mentioned the twelve week. Abortion ban he's for a total abortion ban completely and he's opposed to same sex. Marriage
So he's a real he's, a legitimate cook, and so this these are all reasons why it could flip through reason, north carolina, so tough and has been so tough. It is the second largest rural population in the united states
right behind texas yeah and it's also really expensive. I did not realize it was the fourth most expensive state in terms of ad spend for Joe Biden at the end of the twenty twenty campaign. Yeah forty seven million dollars
it is expensive and then in those rural counties right, like democrats, are going to continue to get crushed, but if we get crush less than its a issue,
to deal in and Joe Biden in twenty a lot of the places I e one. He just he did. He did last bad than Hillary Clinton did in some of these trumpeter rural counties and in it we had Anderson Clayton who's the young
chair of the democratic party north carolina- and this is why part of our strategy is just like visiting every single rural county, trying to find every Democrat their enriched
about. But at this point the campaign you're going to tell reporters that you're gonna compete one hundred percent everywhere. But if we are given
in the bind team. True serum. I bet they admit that down the stretch, maybe appeal back some spending from florida
which seems a little tougher unless they get one of those bout initiatives on they're trying to get legalise marijuana and reverse these six week. Abortion, then that would, I think, change the political calculus in florida, but it absent that for us, a tough state yang you'd want to sites. If I'd rather compete, north carolina in florida by
what, let's, let's, let's, let's listen to what florida has been telling us like us, and why do you think Biden's approval still stuck in the low forties, even though crimes down border?
things down. Inflation is falling.
Come on, isn't a morning in america. What's going on, let's just hope, points a lagging indicator: yeah, that's possible people. Also people might see it. People are probably still not feeling the economic recovery from inflation just yet I would say to get
the data sledge trickling, I mean the hopeful answer is lagging indicator is always good. Economic news will take some time to see Ben
The worrisome answer would be. They have concerns about his age. For example, that's private thing you hear about the most people and casual conversations, but that's not falling
now that that is not all. I know it's a study on until its rising steadily the the other
give it to his luck. Inflation coming down very important inflation coming down, doesn't suddenly make everything more affordable it and it doesn't make things go back to how they felt in terms of how far your income could go six months or a year ago. It stops the pain, stops the change, and I also think just for an approval ratings. Like polarization now means just it's hard to see a president getting consistently above mid forty
these days, even if your party supports you, because the other party does not in any way not as much as they as they used to use defined. Like you know, ten fifteen twenty percent of people in the other party who supported the president, the opposite party, and it's just not happening it is you know like and and the idea that that like it is so polarized that basically Biden and trump's approval rating, both just hovered around forty, it's just it's! So are you a disparity that fateful the fact that I do think that fact?
Crime is falling board like all these, all these republican tropes that they trotted out in the midterm that have for the for the last couple of years, like I think it's worth the biden, people like telling a good story about this stuff. You know that, like that great crime is down that all that you know just because it it it whether it changes minds or not, like it certainly neutralizes an argument that you've heard all over fuck right, like whether you see it in the approval rating of Biden as a step removed from whether the arguments themselves are salient
The issues are not as powerful than those arguments won't work as well, and you want to start setting the mood music right and you want alike. If you're the Biden campaign, the Democrats is start telling a story that sort of makes people feel a little bit better or at least tries to alright before we go to break too quick housekeeping notes. The crooked store has
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dangle benzene member congress from new york, and was they leave council during donald trump? First impeachment welcomed the shock engine like someone?
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So are all of us news, junkies out of your work and waiting to see if and when special counsel, jack smith will announce an indictment of president trump for trying to steal the two thousand and twenty election folks might remember that the january six committee in congress spent a year and a half digging into this question and recommended a specific criminal charges to the department of justice. You worked on trump's. First impeachment. You are also an assistant us attorney for many years. What kind of evidence do you think Jack smith could have that the january sixth,
if he was unable to surface that's a great question and I think there will be a lot of new evidence says you will recall there were several witnesses who refused to show up and testify before congress and there they will not be able to do that this time, and I think there are a lot of rumblings about whether or not someone like mark meadows who did refuse to testify is now cooperating with the department of justice at a minimum. We know that he has testified, and so people like that who were very close to donald trump will not be able to evade testifying, as they were as part of the the january six committee. The other thing
that we know they ve been able to get our records, but with attorneys the union a number of witnesses or the generous extremists. They ran into roadblocks as it relates to a turn, a client privilege and didn't have the time to Lydia gate that, but the department of justice has a stronger position on that and a stronger, better ability to get information when they pierce the attorney client privilege because of the crime fraud exception. So I would expect to see a fair about more evidence.
out of taxpayers. Investigation than we saw in the general six committee does amazing that we could. We could learn even more, even though we ve learned a lot so far
Not only that, we could learn more from people closer to donald trump right right people who understand his frame of mind things. He was thinking and saying at the time in meetings etc. Exactly talking about these cases is obviously complicated for president Biden for the white house for the campaign because they don't want to make it seem like this is Joe
I'm going after his political opponents, but members of congress, other people in democratic party are allowed to say whenever they want. Obviously, the first amendment still, what do you think is the best way for democrats to communicate about these cases, with the understanding that there is a presumption of innocence in this country. Yet look I think all Democrats has been and will continue to be focused on buttressing in our democratic institutions and the rule of law, and we ve talked in a lot over the last several years about donald trump attacks on our democracy in this up forthcoming indictment may be the test resistance of that because of that of an effort to overthrow and overturn an election, but it is important for the court system to play. Let the case play out. That is where the
Hey should play out. Donald trump is presumed innocent. He has a number of rights to confront witnesses, to a trial by jury, to see the evidence against him and to be able to respond to that evidence, and there is a tried and true process that occurs in a court room that allows our system of justice to play out, and that is where it should play out it does. It should not play out on a political campaign and it should not play out in the halls of congress, and so that's really at least what I've been focusing on is: let's let the system play outlets focus on what the allegations are and what the proof is, but the court of laws where this bill
It's not the court of public opinion or congress yeah. If only you'd exercise his eyes right to remain silent. I mean that. But the challenge remains that we're look
being at trials that will likely start after most of the republican nominating contests of already happened. Potentially after the republican convention. Officially dominates him. If trunk trap is able to delay the classic
documents trial and how do you work with? That is the framework here where, yes, you are right that the courts of the proper place to adjudicate this book,
voters might not have all the information they need to make a political decision before they have to vote. Yes, that's the quandary is that there are political implications and ramifications to this, but just like jack Psmith, as the independent special council takes an oath not to consider the political consequences or the political leanings of any case that he's involved in that. He also is not worried about the electoral roll process and it is frustrating, I think, for a lot of americans who would like to see this process play out quicker that it just takes time and there's a reason. Why takes time, but it is frustrating- and it may be very-
conveniently times for the political process and we're gonna have to figure out a way around that since, because solely political actors, Kevin Mccarthy, according to a politico, is apparently supporting an effort or promised donald trump to support an effort to expunge trumps impeachment, as part of
deal, he cut for not coming out in endorsing donald trump in the european primary mccarthyism. Deny that there are some secret deal cooked up about these experts,
events. Have you heard anything about this? Do you think this vote will actually happen in what it go? Well for donald trump, I have heard about this larger taylor. Green introduced, one of them at least to funding from new york introduced another one. I appreciate the fact that the republicans recognise that the mark of impeachment it is the political equivalent to a criminal record which can be expunged, unfortunately, for them there's no such thing in congress and they can do whatever they want, but it is a pure messaging exercise. There is no such thing as expunged being an impeachment. It would only just be a political talking point. He still would be twice impeached, regardless of whether or not
is expunged, but the broader political point which you just raised, which I think is a good one as it will put a lot of republicans in a very bad position if they bring this to the floor, and there are, as you well know, eighteen republicans in Biden districts, and that is not going to be helpful for them to have to support, and obviously, if they do not support it, they will bear the wrath of donald trump. So I'm I'm very interested to see whether they bring it. I think it would be politically stupid for them to do so, but
that hasn't stopped a lot of what they've done thus far. You know, I don't think much of Kevin Mccarthy as a leader or a person, but I do respect the fact that he negotiated a deal with donald trump, where he gives him something that doesn't exist. That is, you know, ethically going to go, shedding it's pretty impressive
ginger years you're, so Robert Kennedy junior is enforced and getting a lot of media attention lately by taking money from russia
begins and then using it to pretend to run for the democratic termination. For president last week he appeared before these select subcommittee on the web innovation of the federal government
a committee on which you are lucky enough to be a member congrats.
So the the fact that rfk
in your believes and spreads. All these dangerous conspiracy theories has come up a lot. Its well known, I think less discussed. Much to my frustration is the fact that he seems
be literally a pathological liar, lies about everything all the time. You saw this first hand. How do you prepare for a year
with someone like that, and why do you think republicans wanted him there in the first place, while the date, the irony of courses, he was ostensibly there because he read
a tweet in early twenty twenty one january, twenty twenty one where he said that hank Erin die because of the vaccine when he had died from a heart attack, and there is of course no evidence at all that he died from the vaccine and it was potentially very dangerous to tell many americans that they can dive and the vaccine saw the white house, someone in the white house and in an email to twitter, effectively saying hey. Can you take a look at this and begin the process of taking it down under your terms and policies?
Where did not take the tweet down? So this was ostensibly hearing on censorship x and he was. He was brought in to talk about that, except he wasn't censored
so the irony of that is says all you need you need to know, so he they essentially gave him a platform to spew his lies to spew his conspiracy theories and with and with an idea of, of course, impugning Joe Biden, which is pretty much all they've tried to do with these investigations. I I think my view of it is that he doesn't have any credibility. I thought it was shameful that they gave him the platform of a congressional hearing to spew his his misinformation and, to some extent his venom. You have a first amendment right, but you do not
The first amendment right to testify before congress, nor in congress, required to give you that platform, and so now I led a letter with fuck with
to the president of a k pack, the asia pacific, islander caucus and Debbie wasn't shorts, whose also on the web, innovation sub committee to speaker, mccarthy and chairman Jim Jordan, to rescind the invitations. A hundred and two people signed it in the span of about a day or two, and I just reflect did I think, the broad belief that this person does not warrant the platform of the congressional hearing, and I think that if we saw
a little bit of of why that was last week. Yeah, we sure did and speaking of things we we all wish. We hadn't seen Marty taylor green, made some news last week by holding up sexually explicit images of hunter Biden at this oversight committee. Hearing
and has been very open about his struggles with addiction, including on the show he recent we plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax charges
It still is not at all clear to me, however, what the connection republicans are trying to draw between hunter Biden, his business dealings in Joe Biden, besides the fact that their related in this vague suggestion that Joe Biden somehow profited from whatever work huh Biden was doing. Can you help us understand those not likes steeped in these here?
things. What evidence has or has not been presented of such a connection, whether money exchange hands? How will you could hide
money from us. The public, when Joe Biden releases his tactics
and every year like what. What am I missing here, you're, not missing anything, and it's a very clever and answer because there is not. There is nothing that connects Joe Biden to enter any of hunter violence, business dealings and what ends up happening is that the oversight committee chairman james calmer and others start talking about the bide ends. Plural and they start lumping Joe by it in the end to their investigation, even know he's not on a single bank record. There's not a single wired
and spur there's, not a single document that says that he was involved or benefited from from any of it and, as I pointed out in our hearing last week, there is actually evidence to show that he was not involved and then who we really are unfamiliar with the chinese company c e f c, which
providing for allegedly god money from, and he had no idea who they were, what they were doing and was clearly not involved at all and hunters business dealings. And yet they continue to impugn the president's falsely by alluding to evidence,
does not exist, so I mean. Is there just nothing we can do about it? I mean do basically the the oversight committee is going to hold these hearings. They are going to make specious allegations and the best we can do is hope that members of congress, like yourself, correct the facts in real time and that it gets covered yeah look. This is the political process that we are we're dealing with right now I mean, when you see large retailer green, the clown herself by completely gratuitously and unnecessarily showing revenge porn. During a congressional hearing, you learn everything you need to know about this republican party. I don't care what she was talking about. There is never a reason why you need to do that, and it was designed only to humiliate and embarrass him hunter Biden who, as we all know as a private citizen, he has never worked for the government. He does not work for the government in direct contradiction to the former president's children
and the notion that that would be fair game for an official proceeding in congress is despicable. But that's what we're dealing with and ultimately you know you well know there is a political process. I would say that the ultimate accountability is at the ballot box and that if people do object to the republicans going forward with this kind of misinformation, personal attack
And completely unnecessary and wasteful time and energy spent on investigations that have no connection to any
official proceeding or any official purpose, then we should vote out republicans and if we can vote out chairman comer because he's in a very safe red district, district or marjorie taylor green, we can vote out the rest of them and take over the majority, and then we won't have to deal with this absolute buffoonery that were were seen. Yeah final question: to begin the buffoonery. What do you thing
at the suggestion that Democrats should bring posters of hardcore pornography to every hearing? That kind of steal her thunder and make it less newsworthy? Is that something you're on board with? I know you're, joking and and I made that a matt gates would probably do it. I guess you know yeah. Look I one of the things we are really trying to do is- and I am focused very much on this since I'm on a couple of the investigative committees as we're trying to bring a sober analysis of facts and truths and that we're we're really emphasizing that
We want to be the people that then the party that americans can rely on to understand what is really going on and I'm not gonna sit here and defend hunter bindings tax issues and he to his credit, has accepted responsibility for them and if there is a crime that anyone has committed, I believe they should be charged democrat or republican. But when there isn't
evidence to support allegations, and yet they continue to go on and talk about these allegations that have no basis. In fact that is unacceptable and we will consistently point that out and we will point out that they are wasting their time with these investigations that are going nowhere rather than focusing on legislation that can help the american people, and that is the critical difference I think, between democrats and Republicans yeah. I suspect that even most republicans, who saw that hearing were confused and ashamed
the people they elected to, to go to washington, to represent them, but congressmen. Thank you. So much for doing the show good luck at your community meeting next and thanks for talking to us thanks so much tommy great to be with you.
Thanks to the government for joining us today. Will talk to you guys soon
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