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the supreme court ruled that there is no constitutional right to an abortion. The republican presidential candidates took a victory lap at
uttering of evangelical voters in Washington dc over the weekend, Donald trump, the twice
worse front, runner who's been indicted for paying hush money to a porn star, told the crowd that quote, no president has ever fought for christians as hard as I have,
quote, I'm being indicted for you just like Jesus
He also brag about appointing the justices who overturned roby wade while opponents like rhonda santas in my pants sort of kind of criticized trump for not yet supporting stricter abortion
and let's listen exactly one year ago today, those justices were the pivotal votes. The supreme court's landmark decision, ending the constitutional atrocity known as
ro, I gotta turn and nobody thought it was even a possibility, proud to be the most pro life president in American is. We have also delivered in florida on promoting a culture of life, and that means signing the heart beat bill into law that protects unborn children when there's a
detectable heart beat. It was the right thing to do. Don't let anyone tell you it wasn't. Every republican candidate for president should support a ban on abortion before fifteen weeks as a minimum nation wide standard. Of course, trump has refused to say whether he would support that fifteen weak ban, and he is also criticised the scientists a six week. Abortion been florida, which is meant to scientists was obliquely referring to when he said. Don't let anyone tell you it wasn't the right thing to do so now that it's been a year since dobbs. What do you guys think about the effect that decision has had on voters? Belief about abortion in
how that compares with where republican voters are right now tawny, it seems to have drastically increased support for abortion rights in this country. There was usa today, suffolk, pull that found by
was for the ones at twenty three per cent to six per cent of those whose views on abortion have changed in the past year said: they'd become more supportive of legal abortion, not less supportive, including among independent women, a critical swing group. They became more supportive by twenty eight per cent to five per cent. So pretty big swing
Yeah I mean this is what looked poles are poles they're all over the place? This is one issue where, like you, a lot of
Lotta outlets did something about this for their one year. Anniversary of dobbs, like every single pole, says the same thing.
Or has moved in the same general direction. The new york times had a nice round up at all of them. For the first time a majority of american say, abortion is morally acceptable, most now believe abortion laws or two.
Strict, they are significantly more likely to identify in the language of polls as pro choice over pro life, and this is for the first time in two decades also big jumps in support for legalized abortion among republican men. Black protestants, hispanic catholics, three groups that were not very supportive of abortion before dobbs, so it's pretty it's it's a pretty big change. Yeah I mean MIKE pence is at least,
seeing the position that has been held, whether out loud or not, by republicans for very long time disappear
for national ban is in just unpopular in the country, a country sports abortion right into its unpopular among republicans, so
two to one in that same pull the tawny imagined it was fifty eight thirty are upheld
overturning row. Eighty two fourteen percent opposing national ban, which means a sizeable portion of people who are anti abortion or say their anti abortion still opposed to national man, not just Democrats. Eighty three percent of indicator
and sixty five percent of republicans oppose and national ban yeah. The other thing is interesting, bigger historically, I think the
it has been. The republicans are really motivated by the abortion issue. More so than Democrats, that is completely flipped the embassy,
I found that eighty seven percent a democratically
I strongly disapprove of rose overturn vs fifty two percent of republicans who strongly approve of the thirty five point gap in terms of the intensity of feeling about the change and in terms of a ronda santa sentences. Six week, abortion ban goof eighteen percent support,
parents at eighteen percent. Now the only thing I'll say is, you know just there are still and one of the pulling the poland writer gallops at this. There still aren't a lot of all or nothing people. So if you ask people you know, do you want no restrictions on abortion whatsoever? That is still, I think, it's like twenty five per cent quarter right now now look. I also think that has to do with people not really knowing exactly what happens or why people get
abortions very late in the pregnancy, which is usually because there is a feudal abnormality or the health of the mother or guenaud various other reason. So it's like the these do not happen all the time, but every other number. If, if number shows a country that is rejecting intensely the abortion bans that have been put in place and stopped- and you know anything is also like a little bit of a subtlety in terms of what this does,
inside of republican politics, because you know you hear the enthusiasm inside of that crowd, and these are people that are going to get behind candidates early. These are people that knock on doors. I think there's a little bit of that dynamic at play, but on the other hand, I also wonder what this does to the electability argument that someone like RON de Santis is going to have to make he's gone yet iowa's gone. What do you guys see any evidence that hitting trump from the right on abortion? Like you know, de santos and and panzers sorta kind of doing? I might peel off.
if trump voters to make a difference in the primary for them forget about the general. Not yet I mean the santas is currently dropping like a rock and most of these national polls. So it's not really shown up for him rolling down like a rock and rolling down like a rock picking up speed down like a rock pence, is not exactly popular
the is basically running his entire campaign to the right of trump on all sort of culture war issues to the extent that he thinks he can, but I it doesn't seem to be doing anything for him yeah. I think the question is like how salient is this inside of republican politics right now? The differ,
it's between a bunch of candidates who all completely agree with appointing right wing judges who will continue to you, know, support not having national abortion rights versus what level of
and you know at the national level they're going to get behind like it's just not clear, you have. You have trump refusing to do it. Nikki Haley gave a whole speech on abortion, refused to take a position on the
national, a man named them when she's asked about it. She dodges the question I mean the the strategy would be take these rights
positions on abortion and make a hard plain iowa for the evangelical voters there, but dissenters dozens.
to be doing that effectively and it doesn't seem to be working at least not over I'll, go far to say,
you know, it doesn't seem to have a lot of salience and republican primary issues has very. It feels like the big issue that is going to be predictive of how you vote in a rubber compromise. What you think about donald trump right when end is interesting. Ralph freed, who runs the conference, that they all when
to end in dc terrible around to get long time. Like evangelical christian activist and republican politics, he sat down with political rivals a few weeks ago.
in endless, I asked him like: what's the deal with trump bright, like twice divorced, hush money
porn star, clearly not a natural
ally of the evangelical community, and he said trump knew that evangelicals helped him when the nomination and he felt like he had a debt to repay and he repeated and that man
in that matters now and all these other guys. So it comes to their great people. In there, probably like you, know, closer more closely aligned to rightwing christian values, but like trumpet
when trump delivered. So that's all I remember is that I just also like you sort of step back from this. What would any of these people do as president? They would nominate anti
his judges and they would sign whatever republican congress passed. They would all sign of a national abortion. I will talk about this during the the the bind section, but
the end result of any of them will look very similar. So political has a story about vulnerable house republicans in California, in new york and a lot of those biden, districts.
who were now saying they aren't afraid of democratic attacks on abortion and twenty for so long as they support exceptions for rape, incest, life and health of the mother and or first trimester abortions, which a lot of them.
What do you think about that? What do you think about their or their views on? I I've always felt like it's a bunch of people confusing like strategy for geography. You know they they're, acting as though they're dancing on the head of the pin on this issue to try to create some kind of distance from national publicans made any difference. The one thing we did see is that voters in states where electing republicans might lead to a ban in that state
The issue was more salient, so it is true that issue was more salient in, say a state like guns of india than it was in a state like new york or california. Does that mean the reasons?
these republicans hung on is because they didn't take as extreme a position as a mike. My pants, I don't think we know that I think the question for us is less. How do we tar them? As looking like other republicans into some true to the argument that
that didn't necessarily work as well as more. How do we make how, as we had a twenty four when republican?
congress would mean a national abortion man. How do we make that feel real and pressing and central to the argument we make and enable matter what some report
and who is not as far to the right on the issue. Empty g says I forget what the name of their appalling
the story to put across our quoted some.
newark representative bragging about fighting off these attacks and twenty twenty. The democratic party was
mess in new york and twenty twenty two. If you think me the same electorate and twenty only for urinating, I dont know
really believe that you're just trying to pasta on the cameras here. Maybe they could
create a position that included a bunch of exceptions on paper that you know would look good in a gallup poll, but I would justify running into people. I'd say if you support trump, you support his judges. You made this outcome happen you own this illness. I actually do. I totally agree with that. I think that if you're a Republican who
supports you no exceptions and first term abortion whenever, like I could see you squeaking through, if you're really hit that message hard where I don't think. I think that, if you tag these, republicans, though, is supporting republican leaders and republican presidential candidates, who are much more extreme, then you're and have a much higher tougher time and also like these people of all taken votes that are their bad votes and I bore should vote
and you can hold those up to so it's like yeah, if you're a brand new candidate who hasn't governed yet- and you want to have some like mealy mouthed,
amid the middle of the road position- yeah. Maybe you can squeak through but like at some point someone's going to say so. Do you support donald trump? Do you support ron Desantis right yeah? Would you support what
Kevin Mccarthy's, doing in which bacchanals doing in there it's not an oar and also of the
a referendum on electing a republican house means they will attempt over to a national ban. Electing a democratic house means codifying roe getting these people on the record, squirrelly and afraid to come out either for national manner against. It will certainly come refusing to say they'd support codifying roe as it is. I think you know that's the way through before we move on. We should say that before we even get to twenty twenty four, there are a couple of big fights over abortion that we should all pay attention to. This year. On august, eighth in ohio republicans put a measure on the ballot that would raise the threshold to pass constitutional amendments from fifty to sixty per cent they're, hoping that they can defeat an amendment in the fall that would guarantee the right to an abortion and then in virginia a Glen young kin is trying to pass a statewide ban. Unless democrats hold their four seat, majority in the state senate that'll be November election, so
go to votive america. Dot com will have ways for you to help both in the ohio ballot initiative, elections, plural and nana, and then in virginia in the fall so by Joe Biden's got quite a bit on his plate. Right now, president spoke to vladimir Zelensky on sunday about the whack,
A rebellion in russia he'll deliver a major speech in chicago on wednesday about by dynamics, and he
signals that he intends to campaign on abortion rights in the next election. President vice president held events to mark the dogs in a verse free over the weekend. Here's what Biden had to say
one hundred ninety eight years old, but all kindness, I think about it. I never thought I'd be signing an executive board protecting the right,
contraception, but the only sure way to women's health and rights for congress to pass.
As I said before, cord god row right fifty years ago and I believe congress to restore the projections arose.
Wait once and for all. We need your help and asked. Are you with this we're going to get this guy? Just as an aside, I
I like that, every time he jokes about his age, he picks a new big number that just works everytime. What are you guys thinks the best way for Biden democrats to make abortion matter as much in twenty fours? It didn't twenty twenty two like. What's? What's what's the right message here, I would lean hard into the consequences of what the republicans have already done and how the partners we discussed earlier, the other parties pushing them to go further and make it part of a broader narrative about how extreme the republican party is in. It is the extreme maga G. A piece of that Biden is already doing. I you know the the other helpful thing for democrats in making this argument is. Everyone knows this is happening. This is not an issue
like some people, are paying attention to ninety two percent of the country and poles know this happening and it's causing a cultural backlash. I remember last year the ceo of barstool sports came out and said how roe v wade is a litmus test for him and how it went against republicans,
rhetoric. Unlimited government like this is an issue. They can splinter the republican party because I think, there's there's some trump fans even that, like the version of him, that's like the rich guy on the apprentice and the kind of playboy. You know like that image of him they're, not they didn't buy into a party that has this like moral right wing, crusading mike pence, invasive scolding, awful stranded, the g o p, and so I would just talk about the consequences pushes as hard as we can make this a part of every story and make it part of this broader extremism. Narrative. I think my pens coming out there and saying every republican needs to come out for a fifteen week. Ban is going to force a lot of them to either say they agree or avoid. The
Chin, which is just a way of saying that they're open to it and would sign it. The we just have to be crystal clear about this. If republicans win the congress, they will try to pass a national abortion ban. Every single republican that has a chance of becoming president will sign one. So the question is: do you want to national abortion ban, or do you want to elect people who will fight to protect abortion rights and a whole bunch of other freedoms that are currently at stake in a court that may comfort contraception? Next may come for gay rights next may come for a whole host of other freedoms. Next, I think that that sort of we're going to have a congress that protects freedom or we're going to have a bunch of busy bodies that tell you how to live and what you can teach and what you can read and what your doctors can do. And you know there are republican candidates like Nikki haley, who are going to try to weasel out of this.
already trying to weasel out of this by saying like well, really, you can't pass the national abortion ban unless they're sixty votes in the senate, so it's very unlike okay, but obviously, if republicans get enough power, they will pass the national abortion ban. That is all you need to know they
at the votes they'll? Do it another way to explain the filibuster, but I think we've done enough of that. Now, no more that and then dissenters, I'm sure, will attack everyone else on the debate stage with him for not coming out in support of a heartbeat bill, which is a six week. Abortion ban so he's going to push them to be more extreme he's going to tack them from the right over and over again. I don't think it'll work for him, but I think it'll harm the party. I think your point about consequences and talking more about the concept:
This is very important with andorra are got, wrenching got everything and its also. You know, as this is talked about politics,
and in the media it becomes very there's some antiseptic language use. People are talking about weeks and policies and exceptions, and all this kind of stuff- and it's like no- you know republican support decision that forced a ten year old rape victim to cross state lines to get an abortion force. Women to
give birth to babies that their doctors new would suffer and die right after birth and force women to give birth, who are on the brink of death
essentially force them to miscarry before they give them treatment like nearly kill them and its to end, like that, the other
to your point about, like everyone knows, what's going on, like more more people have stories about me out of the bay they they know who went through this and not just debt and actually, mostly not democrats and blue states, mostly people who are living in states that have implemented restriction, rent it some its remarkable just how much local news coverage just yet local news coverage there is about all these different
during says that people are having that are making it real for people in a way that just goes far beyond anything like a political debate can do it it's more akin to what happened. I think with a quick shift and gay rights, which is just more people started coming out. Peoples are to know gay people, it became unassailable
you know you can you? Can you can convince someone to go from being anti gay to pro gay? You can't make them go the other round. You can't and you can- and there are people out there that have that that in the abstract would have told a pollster that they were against divorce
access, but they start hearing the stories this arts scene in their own lives and all of a sudden, you see the numbers moving. I mean you can imagine an ad not hard to make where you have people who have been through some of this tell these stories and then you have donald trump
and they never thought. I could do it, but I did it. I overturn the constitutional atrocity of rovi when I put the justice they're, all he's doing is bragging and bragging and bragging about it, and you just have that voice running in the back
round as you have all these stories and ideas and as we get closer to, I think, just the real.
I already have I I do they even now. You see that the sort of the same people that said it was hysterics to say that roe v wade was about your return are now saying it's hysterics to say that a national abortion ban is possible. It is absolutely possible and when you really start driving that home for people a national board, if republicans do
map is fuckin. Terrible republicans could win the house they can. When the white house they will pass a national abortion. Then yeah,
now. We know we were talking about the percentage of people who are opposed, a nationwide ban, which is like eighty percent. Fifty three per cent want a federal law. Ensuring access to abortion Biden is promising to do that. Consider
The current senate map, which is not great, do you have any concern that binds over promising when he talks about codifying row mean doesn't describe it as we will do like I will ease
describes it as if we win, we will do that, something we need to do. I don't need anything wrong with laying out the stakes. If, if, if enough people come out and and and make this an issue, we can do it. If they don't, we can. Map is tough, yes, pickup chances are florida and texas for democrats, talented. So so here's what we'd need to do. We need to win all of the slightly
easier senate races in wisconsin, michigan, nevada and pennsylvania. Not states were usually put the easiest senate races
less light right now, democrats poorly favoured in those states of slightly van
We need to win. Ohio shared would need to win an testimony to win
it doesn't really matter because if he loses or he stays, he still going to be a pain in the ass about this right. But you wouldn't do that
you see no oh highway Montana we need to in both and then we'd need guy. I go to win in Arizona van. You would have possibly fifty one cent democrats or fifty one votes, because you have harris break in the time to get rid of the filibuster to codify abortion rights, and then we also need us.
So we can do it. It's not! It's not impossible that why. I think that's how like you'd also then need to make sure all of the Democrats would be willing to get rid of the filibuster, but I do
at that point. If there are some who are a little nervous about it, would they want to be the one to stand up and say no, I'm blocking this like it at tester who just won six years.
I don't like. I think I think, then you have a good chance. We just went through the first mid term elections we ve had, since the overturning of
and we saw the way that it already scrambled somber expectation that politics so yeah payment, if I for it
so the white house release a memo this morning on by now where they argue that
as an economic policies are both working and supported by most americans. What you take on the on the memo strategy, the
The name by not mix I've ever so I'm into by non x. I liked him at hamley khitai, really like it. I liked it reminds me of when we just embrace congo bombing here and then of the bomb
so far economics but
This is only that, like about you, remember that the white house put out kind of walking through all the policies, and it is just
that you know it's it's a strategy, it's a restatement of their policies into a kind of coherent message, but
just a reminder too, and seeing them all laid out like we spend so much time in the swirl of culture, wars and the latest bit of like right, wing, bullshit and trump going off and all the
nonsense in the noise we deal with day to day, and then you read the memo walking through the pauses like. Oh that's right, that's why this world exists. Democratic economic policies are incredibly popular. Republican. Economic policies are incredibly unpopular. It's also a meme mama that has just like so much lang
They were used to put in speeches on all the time
time the middle up in the center of the top through in the bottom forward. This investment spurred private investment to the tune of a lot of money. I like that they are framing their economic message as a strategy to follow, instead of just a record to brag about, because I think
they are going to have, and you can see both of these attention in the memo a little book as it does go on and on a little bit about the accomplishments, which you can tell others that obviously constituency in that way,
like there was in our white house like there is in every white house, was like no. No, no. We just gotta talk about the accomplishments where we to talk about the accomplishments more and it's fine like go for it talk about the accomplishments, but I think you're going to have more luck, convincing people that the Biden approach to the economy is better than republicans. Then you will
Biden, deserves more credit for the economy that he's that he's gotten yeah I mean they have a genuinely good case to make ethic on the merits. When you total up the covert stimulus, the infrastructure bill, the chips act and inflation reduction act, there are tons of examples of things happening right now because of things Joe Biden signed into law, there's roads and bridges a couple of days ago, the governor.
A nine point, two billion dollar alone to afford, I believe, to begin construction of three battery factories for electric vehicles. Will cars there
using the chips out to create de jobs in the: u s and they're, forcing companies who get that funding to do things like guarantee, high quality childcare for workers who construct the plant or work at the plants so they're like really leveraging it's all desert with the problem is just it takes a while to get the money flowing. Even when you get the money flowing, you have to convince people
but this was because something Joe Biden dead and not just something happening in the world or you know. Maybe they just don't read the news about it. So it'll take some time, but I'm glad they're pushing on it now mix is fun to say it look at the end of the day. This is going to come down to sort of a simple argument that Biden Democrats are gonna have to make on the campaign trail, which is like what do you want
your government doing. Do you want it to spend time and money and policies on reducing the cost of healthcare prescription drugs?
Building roads, reducing the cost of education, or do you want to spend like four trillion dollars and tax cuts for rich people cassettes with republicans
wanted to order books yeah like do what you want to hear is that we were going to
on this side we try to build a train track this. I will change Adam schiffer around with a fuckin torch until we catch him either
I say that I both have time I also represent. Do like. I know, you're right about sort of you. Do you feel the tension in the desire to like we have to turn our conscience. We have turned our conference. I appreciate that there is only a couple place
Maybe only really one in that whole memo where they did what we used to feel like we had to do all the time.
which is like we know, there's a lot left to do. We know there is more work to be done. It was just an inflation were clearly. They must see a lot of sort of headwinds in the pulling that they made sure there's one deck there.
more work to be done here were not all the way there, but were seeing some improvement and we are, the united states is doing
than a lot of other countries, if not all of them, whence comes inflation. They do love,
point two. There was a global problem thanks to the war and much other challenges supply chain yeah. No, I get that. I just think that voters integrity like your pet. I dont care that our folks in the uk or pay more for their bread than I am I'm still a fuckin annoyed. If you got a supermarket and yell at a woman buying exist, but there was a bird flu call like the second work for you. But again, if you just say, look elections or choice, you either get cheaper health care or you get to
scots verge people. What do you want? That's an easy one! Really. What there's? Also
new NBC pull that has Biden out of trump by forty nine to forty five percent. We like that
though his approval rating is at forty three percent and fifty five percent of voters say they have major concerns.
by having the necessary mental and physical health to serve another term? What do you make of those seemingly contradictory none
yours and were there any other part of that pull that set out to the eye at only lifting the contradictory,
because I think everybody then the concerned and about buttons age, but they also don't like donald trump another, don't like on the scientists. The part that I have bigger concerns of a trumps personality than binds it right. The part there really stood out to me was actually not just how unpopular
dissent already is, but how unpopular and well known he already has right he's at he's at thirty percent to forty six percent disapproval to approval. That's three
is the country that already got into know him he's already nearly at fifty percent disapproval at is really fucking bad at. It turns out
we naturally known for picking fights with librarians and disney is not
winning strategy to rally the country he might have otherwise of thought, apparently not even a winning strategy in your own republican primary so far, but trump has widened his lead,
in the primary in this pole, which I want to mention because last week I think dinner, there was some pulled it in and I talked about where it did seem like trumpet slipping a bit but cnn a scene in poland
but in both poles rhonda sentences in gaining well,
Neither poll was he gaining. The good news for ron is that in the expanded poll it's fifty one percent trump, twenty two percent, the santas they head to head at sixty percent trump- did santas at thirty six, oh he's just getting crushed. I mean I found that poll depressing, but what I expect
dead, but more than anything, bad news for dissent is. Although half the republic in primary wants trumped up
the leader of the party going forward. Half of them want new options, there's an opening their for somebody to make a play. This antisocial, flailing at it I was at odd-
they were at my family, other weak and others is a story. That's real knotted see. I hope it is real, but no one ever dies disneyworld because they continue to resuscitate as you off the grounds
but no one ever ever dies and disneyworld just thing that that none of you choke disney has defeated death itself.
You think they're going to lose to rhonda santas mickey mouse are you I was at. I was at the sum they do. These are fat, that is light, shows and things.
People were calling for mickey to come out like they wanted to kill him. He was like bring me micky rows, I'm going to be that you can't beat that that's in our blood at you can't be there,
I want to say about that figure out now I was look. A four point: Biden lead. Where is it for you?
percent. I almost didn't believe I was better than I I can't I don't even talk about it all I'll say about that is I never thought I would be excited about. Just a four point lead over donald trump, but now that we've lived through twenty,
sixteen and twenty twenty, unlike the other, vital through that be amazing, bulldozer like it's not like. I do people
get to know their options, Joe Biden, vs donald trump is the most over determined thing. We went through that completely well as the world we live in, and on that note, though, the other part of this poll that stood out at me that got me a little nervous was so they did. They asked us about support for a third party candidate. Would you be open to a third party candidate, and then they compared it to that same question that they've asked in the last four elections
so support for a third party option is lower than it was in two thousand and sixteen that's the good news, but pretty much much higher than it was in twenty twelve, when obama was running for
election, so it somewhere in the middle and are not quite as worrisome right now is twenty. Sixteen was, and I really think, like determinative who's going to say that you would inconsiderate like. Would you consider third party? Can it? I would have a really great when emerge sure I'd, consider yeah. You know why that is so. Then I they broke it down into like that, and only raw, probably- and definitely I was looking at is probably right, probably is just like a hamper, probably like. I would definitely
Is it not the article? I think that's out any answer
I also make a country choosing between obama
and mitt romney, and a country choosing between Biden and trump is just an indifferent mood. You know they got that people have a lot of
turns out about Biden's age. Those concerns did not exist for obama. People have a lot of concerns about donald trump as a human being. Those concerns didn't exist from it. Romney city different, it's a different context: suspender buttons age, the wall street journal just ran an interview with joy,
george clooney, where he talks about how hollywood studio, exec Jeffrey Katzenberg, has been advising Biden to quote one his age and turn it into an asset citing eighty year olds, harrison ford and mick jagger as examples for Biden to emulate what a sentence than can be said that today,
You guys think that's good advice. I don't even know it the advice really. As they used to own his age, I think on your age, laugh about it. Make jokes like the one we heard earlier, that's great advice, but it has to be coupled with great management of the country and things generally going
Those are the part in that story that made me flinch was
the like Democrats need to come to hollywood for narrative and storytelling help. If I had a dollar for every time, I heard someone say that I would be as rich as george clooney post to kill assail, because it's this cliche thing you always here at here,
again, like yes, of course, there's lots of great screenwriters and allay, but you get to write.
Movie and then shoot. What's on the page right Joe Biden line on you any more, he also with the things happening in reality. It's it's a
that's why I came here. That's why we do the show here we look for our narratives here in l a and then we come on the pardon, give or take a lot of the quotas. It's always, I always just say: look everybody keeps coming to hollywood for cash and they don't come to us for the one thing we do better than anybody, which is tell stories
We were joking about that like two days ago. That was that is a good thing. I've rockin joke, I also say,
george clooney and he's actually one of the more politically astute actors and in hollywood for sure, but it's funny that they'd none of them
themselves now. I know it doesn't like their later. That, like Katzenberg, doesn't tell stories, makes quimby writers and directors. Tell stories
doesn't get her keseberg notes and I'm sure
they're good, but he took it notes, but bags abide
Echo is about that right. I guess that's why we want to give my nails inexact using area that we want to give now resolved it. I think that the issue, what
and can control is in terms of his age and perceptions of the age. He he's the age that he is. He can't control that, but he can joke about it. He can show some fight with republicans like he did during the state of the union
and and he can connect with people which he does very very well in like small settings right when he meets him on a rope line and remembers them and remembers their family. Like he's very, very good at that, and I think if he keeps those three things in mind that to me is better than like getting in your head that because they think I'm old I have to like, be sharp. I can't stop. You know like I can't gaffe right. Sometimes they don't put them out, because they're worried he's going to get like. I wouldn't. I would rather him figure out the jokes figure out the fight with Republicans and then figure out how to connect with and then just protect that painting of him as a young man in the white house attic at all costs.
and then tighten up back three and then just write out that putin by and Biden's going to ban going to trip over an extend your corner and fall down in categories like we shouldn't use that thing yeah. We have something better than average involvement. Alright, let's do a few quick hits on the latest headlines, tommy and Ben
an excellent bonus episode of putting the world over the weekend. Thank you on the wagner. Rebellion in russia are, you should check it out if you haven't
If you want to know what the hell is going on there. It's great promotion leader, the wagner groups that
that he never actually meant to overthrow the government. He just wanted to lodge a protest, which is, I guess, to lodge a protest. You get a bunch of veterans together, numa
George Monbiot was a civil rights march yeah. I fell down and ate a pizza telling me for people who haven't been paying close attention to what happened over the weekend. What should they know and at where things stand right now? So the gist is this guy? You have guinea progression who's this russian oligarch, who present his first name because no printed problem, he runs his private, mercenary force called the wagner group
he has been in a fight with the the russian military for months now, and then he claimed that his guys got hit with a russian airstrike, and then he went nuts and he started marching his troops towards moscow
now. He he stood down after basically getting on the phone. The president of Belarus, who's, a putin, stooge and cutting the steel were a progression will now be exiled to belarus. This idea that, ah he was just protesting, is very funny.
it's kind of aeronauts, a tough cell when you march twenty five thousand guys towards Moscow in shoot down russian military.
Helicopters in planes on the way, just like a little more than just sort of a march. But
right now, basically, Putin came out today he's very
very angry he's trying to reassert control. Precautions says: oh, I wasn't trying to undercut putin, but clearly he was the problem for putin. Now, though, his precaution under Scott the entire rationale for the war, he said the ministry of defence was corrupt and that the wars based on lies and corruption, and then Putin looks like he lost control because he did, and now he has to keep on trying to be a dictator of a country where there's a lot of people who'd like to take him out. So it's very fraught moment, I'm no four,
policy expert, but Vladimir putin doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will just let bygones be bygones he's going to he's going to let him live in belarus and then just forget about them. I'm wondering if precautions going to fall out of a very tall building in the near future will say I would not die if, if, if he offers to port uti, I would say no don't don't.
Where do you know you a different from a different, your own tea? We get a few twenty twenty four primer
updates for you, Rhonda santas is taking his death political towns to new Hampshire,
the most influential republican women's group there released a statement attacking him for scheduling an event at the same time as their annual fund raising lunch, one new hampshire republican strategist called it quote the worst strategic move he is exhibited, thus far. She's really
something I don't know guise of certain think this Rhonda santa's thing may not work out what he gets. A guess think we
and we need capping. Rawness entered his campaign, I publican luncheon rimming living thing.
At dad's, couldn't believe it? I love this story so much. I have no idea if it means the census is campaign in new Hampshire is good or bad. It just shows you how fucked
entire oh you're, good voters are estate primary. This group essentially act.
If voters are one thing, be activists or the womb really entitled, whereas they attacked him, I'm not running for anything. It's the new hampshire federation of republican women. They attack the santas for holding a town hall meeting the same day as one of their events that featured trump, even though their event is sold out
our away emits at different times. So it seems like that's just it's shots just to take a shot at a city a week. That's great! It is funny, though it's like you do not pick a fight with the new hampshire federer
june of republican women rag. I didn't even know that group existed and told I read the story. It was incredible, but there is it like that. The larger point here there isn't a single state or national coal that has shown rhonda santas, making any progress at all. There is no fun raising metric, no endorsement metric, no nothing! There is, and you can't see, assign anywhere.
run, to say it is making up any ground. Yet that's the other fundamentalist or is dishonest rolled out a bunch of us state elected endorsements and like four of them
I had already announced that they endorsed trump's and then they got into a big fight that the santa super pac got in a fight with these state elected officials, and it's like what are you guys doing? That's awesome, it's an I love it
I would just like it a little bit of a it's a it's a virtuous circle from our point of view, which is that he's covered
as top unpopular weirdo, until all the stories that lenin,
close to the narrative and unpopular weirdo, and this is where, in hollywood we tell stories- or you know you can't get away from It- the reporters chasing around centers around waiting for to eat a hamburger, weird and deliver
It's going to get it yeah, yes, not good, because he's weird for us freaks and geeks to reenter. I think those are good show, though I think about that. As a batch here,
the shocker rolling stone. Looked at the federal election commission filings and found out that the super pac supporting robert F Kennedy, Jr was created by people. Who've also worked for marjorie taylor, green george, santos and hershel walker, great stuff, great stuff, huh.
we got em back in our kid. You hear me say that this is not on the level that, as I were being told her the treasurer of our of kid juniors pack got paid three hundred and seventy two thousand a hooker spy, marjorie taylor, green and her entities in twenty twenty two. What a terrible fuckin person justly wouldn t just what a garbage
human being or you have not yet help any thing, but it is what it is all you need to know about all of ie. You know tech, bro,
in elon musk and all them aware that a retelling you to give a look at rfk junior, there are a bunch of maga grifters out there who are doing everything they can to get democrats to support rfk, jr and doing it publicly. That's all you need to know Steven is doing this publicly Roger stone praised.
publicly archy junior went to one of those reawaken america, events that might flynn runs around the country. Doing like the craziest of the crazy things are of K, reportedly interviewed for a job with trump in toys.
seventeen do you want to do something on vaccines? Is your drivers,
Throughout these basic trumps, like he's he's great man is great man. Ok, it's so
Did you see our swell rfk junior looked when he was lifting weights shirtless, and I just don't want to pretend I hope I didn't see any of that. I also dislike the idea of ha h right there yeah. I know it's like you know the the there's, the vaccines they have lead, letting them from deep underground, yeah yeah I'll, take steroids from a failed actor.
muscles in my neighborhood sure yeah. So because
I dunno florida man in the republican primary the new york times, reports that seventy year old, senator rick Scott is considering running for president, though his office then responded by saying he's still running for reelection in the senate, not a denial. What do you think is a a rich hospital executive who wants to privatize medicare and social security. Just the candidate, the republican party needs rich as well as
If connected to massive healthcare fraud, who wants to privatize social security, who ran the Senate republican campaign arm in a year where they lost the senate, who has the message instincts of the villain from seven? This is my camera rick.
Now don't listen to the american needs; they vary in. It was a mere like the wind
Mcconnell in these the liberals disrespect one. You know. Moreover, there it's a scene, it's insane the round is hit. This would think. Oh, my god he's the brightest star and floored look at the camera began. I would have him you talkin exculpating, us there's this guy
I feel a start? Next revenue? I stayed come on car. Well, we wish- and we wish you the best rick's about we re out about these run. Finally, to pieces of great news you
Remember the president Biden got quite a bit of criticism from the left for supposedly abandoning railroad workers after he signed legislation ending the strike that didn't include paid sick days because of republicans in congress,
Well. Last week the railroad workers union announced that its members at the largest freight carriers finally have paid sick days, and the union specifically thank the bite administration for quietly pushing behind the scenes.
to make it happen, they think them for playing the long game and never giving up any lessons from the story. Did that job? That john keeps a list
is checking it twice, but I did name a name I'll say to that of the things he says. I don't want to give them any fuckin. I think two points about this. I think that there was two kinds of criticism from the left that Joe Biden received when this when the original deal was made. One was, I am disappointed that this deal doesn't include,
paid sick leave? I helped by demonstration continues to work on it. Did the deal being went by by congress enacts legislation to block the strike, to block strike, to get them back to work or to prevent them from going on strike the first time? That was one kind of criticism. Fine, there is another kind of criticism which was this exactly what we can come to expect from Democrats who are corporate, shills and evil, and this is-
option and every kind of assumption of back from the railroads and areas armchair bad faith. Do some sign that. Thank you know that that by
in Democrats are irretrievably corrupt and you can't trust anything they ever said is exactly what we always knew. They were going to do that kind of like throw the baby out with the bathwater stuff, and I just would say like moving forward the people that are, I think, critical, but still believe that there can be worked on are better to listen to than the people who use every instance like this to to reinforce the same narrative center. The work of government doesn't usually progress on the same timetable as twitter. This is one lesson I also think to your point of it
Administration deserves the presumption of good faith. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized or when they make bad decisions doesn't mean that we should push them to make good decisions, but it means that we should start with the assumption that their intentions are good and if they're not making the progress, we expect there might be other reasons which, by the way like at the time, even the constructive criticism at the time right. Congress sens joe Biden the bill because there's a bunch of republicans in congress that stops the strike but doesn't give paid sick days. If Biden vetoes that legislation he's not going to get the sick days the strikes going to continue, then there are people who, like all he could just do executive action, because this is the new thing when something doesn't happen that we want
it's o Biden, should do an executive action will now we have faced many executive actions that are being currently challenge or have already been overturned by a right wing judiciary as right and so from the bite administration's point of you'd like to what I rather do an executive action that is probably gonna get overturned by the judiciary. Or do I want to just keep pushing behind the scenes, try to negotiate and get the sick days and that's what they did and it was the right move freight, and so I think again, like you can be critically, can propose things you can push them on stuff but like there are use. If, if something is not getting done,
more often than not it's because there are constraints, political, legal or otherwise that either we don't know about or the by demonstrations is trying to work through in there still trying to fight you more government just slow.
times yeah, and I wish it was faster too, but, like you, gotta go to the outcome I I do. I do agree that it is like at this point to like buying a restoration, has earned the benefit of the doubt. They are, I think, far more progressive than even some of those progressive people could have ever hoped.
they would be now. Does that mean they're perfect now? Does it mean they fight every fight? The way you'd want you know, but yeah, and I can look- and I can tell this- is coming with you- know- we're waiting for student loan relief decision from the supreme court in there already been proposals like well. If they overturn this, then the vital nutrition should just do another executive action. It's like whoa. We know it's not going to work. It's not going to work, we need a new court or we need a majority in congress to pass this legislation and that's what we should work for. Also, it was just one more annoying thing is about one hundred times easier to find criticisms of Biden on the railway road workers thing than to find almost any story that they just praised him for getting the deal. Just in preparing for this. I was like oh who wrote this up
It was on twitter, as the union put out a statement, and I dont know almost no one wrote it up. Tobacco are at last but not least when a big section of iron eighty five collapsed in philadelphia on june. Eleventh experts predicted it would take months for the government to rebuild the highway, but thanks to the binding administration governor josh,
euro in a lotta union workers it opened this weekend. What do you think? Is it time to bring back hashtag Democrats deliver cult points about this? One Jews gets done, that's all
I want to say that ok have again say that in this country, any more
in spain to we can build a highway in two weeks.
It is in this state of california take six month
to get environmental impact statement for bypath. We just me
lane they move anything is a business dismal digging just paints. So we can build things really quickly.
So maybe we fucking should a high
In two weeks they went along antics
oh, I had been a pit
dear god, worse,
the courtyard of our office. We can't seem to fill these two week. We keep our new york and strain it that it was insane every
we did it, they put up another window. What is happening with them?
it's happening. It outlines bring Josh. Yet it does appear on that
It's not gonna bizarre
I don't care what it is, thereby,
misery to know bay. You know them whether it's the infrastructure bill,
Biden and mitchell Andrew, whose serve overseen the infrastructure spending plus
shapiro they're, all at a press conference about this tearing this and I'm like you know what this is good. This is good awesome. This is another one: that's not going to get a ton of attention, but, like that is Philly,
well, go very well we're adders and ethically embezzled imports. Only one should be covering outlet that out here, but yes, it would be great if we should, first of all that we have problems of our own, that we could be fixing
eddie drive across got talk about real back when we come back tommy tax to the man who wants to finally get tat grew out of the senate, texas,
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can already member of congress things running for the? U s: senate in texas, welcome the shop ethics,
I mean thanks for being in l a do you have the coolest path to congress that I've heard of which is via the nfl to want to get too late,
but you are currently running against ted cruz, who I believe, is a full time podcaster for he's one of your main competitor, a part time senator as he sold his shop. So I can't tell anyone we're very
added we're supporting you. Obviously we're also big that rock fancier media we throw harder to that race and eighteen if he fell a little short. What do you think makes texas different? This time was different about your room where we were going to build on what beto did. I think what beto showed is that texas is a place where no change is possible and yet the folks he got excited in two thousand and eighteen. I was incredibly important. It's going to be important for the selection, but I've never lost an election, and I don't plan on starting now, and I have experience beating republicans back in eighteen. Iran gets a twenty two year
incumbent republican, who had been unopposed in two thousand and sixteen at this time. Ah, before that election, no one thought I was gonna win. That race was a big flip. The big flip
There are beating by no seven point yet so
We know what we're doing. I think taxes is ready, but it's also true that time.
greece has shown that he's not serious about this job. Right, as you say,
he's a mostly full time. Part gases park s in three times,
week. I don't, even though they might help I'm shot. Honestly, you just think about representing thirty million texans, the united states Senate. All the response was come with that and finding time to demagogue three times a week,
or may not not doing that finding ways to get onto fox news every chance possible. That's actually not the job. The job is to pass legislation to help texans help the country we can't afford six more years of him in texas, but
so the national level yeah? I was there on january six about fifty feet away from him when he was the senator who objected to the results in arizona, I'm sitting the thing and what is up my own state senator know it all
all that would happen in election, there's eta, and we know, of course what happened that day and we have to have a response to that, and I think we will, where a lot
people are kind making their way over to you on january, six kind introduce himself for the first time I ever like you. Could it like
but the queue non was was not gonna get past you and then pass protection or anything else. I have to say anything: physical, that comes up and house represented
People will look to me, but especially that day units one
and it's not funny right. I I texted my wife, who was at home with her son,
not yet too, and she was about seven months pregnant and I sent our text that I thought I'd never have to send in this job and whatever happens, I love you home again.
got my jacket which have never done house florets against our rules to remove your you're so jacket.
And I stood up, and I was ready to defend my colleagues who, as he said, were indeed me to do it from or whatever came through
door. We had barricaded the door with furniture that we used to hold paper.
It's the ceremonial doors, the president walks through when the sordid arm says in madam speaker, the press, united states, it's that door, that's where we, the banging was in the glass, is being broken and folks like tat crews, who whipped up that mom at beheld, a cannibal like totally
does that our chances in this election election handsome born remember his role in this whole thing is boy there, a lot enablers that help donald trump. Is it true that your campaign headquarters will be in cancun
oh I'll, go to greece and its very funny that he shouted off to,
when thirty million sections were freezing the dark heating,
laugh that off, I don't know how you any politician, laughs off a dereliction of duty that glaringly obvious through over two hundred forty texans died
and every texan, those where they were when the power went out and
I was a card or
I know how busy I was at that time. There was no calls with FEMA was state agencies trying direct resource.
was trying to find what we called warming centers in over just basically places that have the power armor folks would come get warm ah, and to think that that was a good time to go on. Vacation is just a perfect encapsulation of the way he sees the job. Yet so clearly you do the job better. So, if you get to the senate, we keep reading his horrible stories about the supreme court. They're. Accepting private jet
lights and all kinds of like goodies from these billionaires, and then we keep reading there horrible rulings on all kinds of issues that are stripping away people's rights, abortion rights. Do you support any supreme court reforms like term limits, and things like that? Well,
isn't it l actually represented Harlan crow after the last four years is a constituent.
I know him. Even it was me. I've been to some.
The properties of his. I don't think I've seen that and I just think it's ridiculous.
What we're looking at renown terms of this being the most unaccountable body really and our government
They are all the lower courts, have some system of ethics sums code of conduct and there, sir,
policing, and so we have to change that. I think that when it comes to the supreme court, the most important thing we can do is have a fifty senators who will vote for Joe binds next now
these, because, as you know, we saw the last time it Mcconnell was in charge
It sent a how long eleven months they held open again the seat near the mere groundless nominated for, and I think that will happen again and so that's why it so important that we win this election is it could determine who controls the Senate and we can as well
Folks, the things that folks have to really, I think, get understand and get on board with. This is a very winnable race. It's a tough race, but it's a winnable one,
and we need your help. So you listen. This
recalling all red dot com and get involved. So it's been a bow
a little over a year since the supreme court stripped away abortion right,
overturning rovers is weighed. President Biden is promising to codify rovers his weight into law. That would probably require
getting rid of the filibuster in the senate so that we can get to a votes. The republicans couldn't block a vote. Is that something you'd consider doing while I've been calling for us to
erode the filibuster as a voting rights lawyer before I came to congress and in our big push in the last congress, as you probably remember, was the John Lewis voting rights act
yeah? I spoke with senator mansion about it as x. Actually, I asked to give them a call and talk to him about it from a a voting rights respective ah
and I thought we had an agreement on a moving to a speaking filibuster.
It's obviously a legacy of some the darkest days of our country, but it's also at this point.
just standing in the way of fundamental reforms that are necessary to keep our democracy and thriving and when you can address voting rights is yet to have sixty votes and a body that determined by geography, then you're you're, locking yourself into a future. We can't can't have any kind of legislative advance
since then we know the spring court's not going to do it and of course I actually been thinking this for some time that you're the model of relying on the courts to be sort of our advance. Reversible rights is long past and we now have to do through legislation, and we had fifty votes in the senate to do that
in the last congress, but not the devotes to get round the filibuster. I will certainly not let the filibuster stand the way of that
anything else. I think we have to. We will have this
work in a bipartisan way in the united states Senate that going to continue to be true, but I dont think that we should allow this super majority threshold assemblies. Yet
the other thing that imagines probably really bored. Your constituents in texas is
immigration or immigration policy for a lot of people not about
The country you can feel like a problem. That's far away or at southern border is not where you live, if you're in michigan or something for you guys. It's literally on your southern border, and I saw a poll from last year that showed fifty two percent of texas voters supported bussing migrants to other parts of the country. So clearly, there's enormous frustration about you know feeling that
this is a problem that is being put on texas. What are you hearing from voters, and what do you want to see? President Biden or congress do to solve the problem? Well, I have kind of a personal relationship with this, because after the
world war. My grandfather found the navy in the pacific and then came back. It was a customs officer in brownsville, Texas and the very tip of texas.
That's where my mile in my aunt, grew up with a high school and then I spent
most of my summers, driving down my mom to brownsville and to see my grandmother there- and I you know- I think that when you talk about the border, it's not just a political backdrop yeah. You know and that's what I see- ted cruz using it as his stick.
and almost like a political, safari and you'll be like in the bushes, pointing out. You know, migrants that literally
literally ass. You know now: you're united states senator where's your letters.
to do something about it, how are you going to help these border communities deal with the searches which, as you know, are driven by geopolitical forces, sometimes by climate change, sometimes by many factors right now Venezuela's and collapse? You know: five million venezuelans have left the country, we're we're seeing a lot of them showing up at the southern border. So we have to support those border communities much more, and this has been across multiple administrations, where the burden of these geopolitical impacts and of our inability to pass any kind of comprehensive immigration form ends up falling on your communities on the border that then have to have the catholic charities maxed out in local communities, maxed out people sleeping under the bridges people sleeping on the street corners.
that's frustrating, but it doesn't have to be that way. As you know, we ve had frameworks, but in the bush administration and the obama administration around a comprehensive reform that would have billions of dollars for border security. Every country has the schoolroom border, but the
also much better last process, folks who are seeking asylum, much
Allow us, I think, to treat people consistent with our values, which is the kind of false dichotomy that I see tat, crews, another setting up
which is that if we can have an immigration system, it either ass to be so harsh that it completely
act with our values that we're we're gonna, try and make it so
your hard and mean for folks separating
yes, they're, not gonna wanna come which we know from the situations there,
having that's, not gonna work or the way
and do anything at all. That's just not true. We can do something about this and so
My frustration, I think, on the issue by large, is that that's been used as such a political divide, her
but we we pretty much no, what we need to do not to address it and we need a senator from Texas who will do that. We know tickers won't
Yeah me one thing I wonder about: I worked in the we both work, the obama administration, as in the foreign policy side.
saw the administration, use sanctions to punish countries, frequently curly
the u s and sanctioning the hell out of Venezuela, which you mentioned. I think a quarter of the population has left there,
in recent years. Do you think I'm ready
That's her of the international! We talk a lot about the border. There are there things you would like to see
Joe Biden or any president dear, like sanctions really for venezuela
or cuba or other places that my kind of reduce the flow of my
I remember when, in the tub administration they cut foreign aid to the northern travel countries, as they were doing enough to stop migration and said,
you understand that cutting that aid is going to increase migration from these countries.
We do have a role to play, certainly in helping to stabilize particularly
countries that are in our own backyard. And I think that if we were talking about the competition with china globally great power competition,
the global south is where that competition is being held, and that include
it's our own hemisphere in south american, central america, where the chinese making big investments and we need to be on the field and playing a productive role, helping as much as we can ought to be a stabilizing force. And yes, looking at things like our sanctions policy and how that country
adding onto to some of this suffering, but also seeing the probe programmes. We know it worked around the world and apply them even our own hemisphere
and so to me, when I
be able to solve all the problems of the countries around us, but we certainly shouldn't be contributing to the rims. Yet they mentioned earlier. This amazing path of the nfl
to congress, but you also worked in the obama ministration at hud jaso crema for the nfl to get your your laundry right at berkeley. I believe that is from
he's a little bit about what were you doing it had as a civil rights lawyer like what was at work as well?
took a normal out. The congress has raised by single mother, put then fell into law, school milk and became so rights,
right you just address the normal
the route I will. I had spent my last year of law school basically working in the administration. I can white house counsel's office
under cathy rumbler and then I d, o j under rod, rose encina at that time. Well, respected, use it
funny how he led one of the leak investigation cases that I had to get interviewed for I didn't
nothing wrong. I was absolved someone else wasn't. I didn't scared the shit out of me, so I know a raja now he was a the attorney there and
then I'll. Do my voting rights work and was asked to come back into the invention.
she's in points he had heard in the general council office and near basically
trying to tie together different programmes and make sure that the trains are running on time, though kept everything legal and
I was working there with you, another texan Leon castro who I was very proud of and was proud to work under him. I an you know we when the transition came out. I remember preparing a lot of documents, particularly around
sin hatch AG and things like that for the incoming administration thing
And the reason that stuff, you know little yet you call it, but it was a lot worse actually that I could have even imagined
and there it was an honour for me. You deserve
Obama. Nutrition. Do you feel the same way, obviously around the campaign, but you know, as an african american, you know to serve in the in the first black president's administration and something that always gestures yeah. I feel incredibly lucky to have met the guy and then got to work there
broader question with the democratic party we have been struggling with getting support from young men of all races,
I don't know, there's a single reason, but it does seem too.
Coincide with the rise of these horrible characters like Andrew tate or Jordan petersen who preach these deeply massage monistic world views
you played in Unifil. I dont think that then Shapiro gonna hear this
conversation relation. You call you like a beta male soy boy of southern prohibition. Did football teach you
about how politicians can communicate with in lead young man and convince them to serve steer away from these toxic spluttering.
The question now and I plan the nfl as linebacker in the so come a maybe,
have a conversation about masculinity on that front right, but it you're your eggs
right. There are so many toxic examples out their want of things.
Am most proud of in my time in congress, has been that I was. I was the first note of congress ever take paternity leave and I talked about very openly so I'm going to take paternity leave and just ended that kind of pretense, a wolf and a former nfl linebacker can do it then maybe it'll make it easier for some other man I and some other field to do it. I am I took turns
Twice didn't know is going gonna be the first. I just thought was the right thing to do, and then you see something like what happened when secretary buddha judge horrible. It took paternity because his twins were in the emergency room yeah.
and they're saying what what you didn't have the baby, and you know that much worse than that, of course, horrible things. Ah- and I think you know what is wrong with this culture around men- that that's the conversation that we're having
But I know that we have to have examples, and I think you know it one thing that people, I think don't realize about athletes and my experts in the nfl
it's a lot of really decent guys who are very productive and and do good work in their communities who are thoughtful, who want to be productive. Citizens have overcome tremendous things, get
where they are, and they have nothing in common in by large, with
these idiots. You see taking pictures themselves what next
of cars and and sent in and spreading these like worse versions of what it is to be a man and if I can meanings
ample to counter that. I will but trust me if you're, if you think that you guys don't trump said it
that was just locker room talk the way he was talking to women. That's not been
experts and I spent most of my life in locker. Yes,
and there is much better and different way and we just have to have examples to model it and we have to
out there and out front and a you're right, though we have had an issue with young men feeling like this democracies for them as well.
And so that's one of the things I've been working on since before I came to office and I'm going to keep working on it at that. As president. Allow me to say this is not a spectator sport and know just watch.
you gotta be engaged. If you're not at the table.
You're gonna be on the menu, and so that's it
and then we certainly focused on our camping, scraping territory is by the way is also
been a real spreader of these kinds of views. I mean, is no hosts for his paw gas, but is also one of the guys who had returned
the videos that people would make of like some russian military propaganda film compared to a? U S, army, recruiting found with trying to be inclusive, be like our boy
that, of course, we will lose in war fast password two years and the russian military is gaining cochlear by the EU.
any answer me a ludicrous rises.
And we have a diverse military where
Are you gotta get along with folks who committed background than you do and that's the same thing in sports.
And one of things I know, is immediately immediately about some folks is that who were not? Athletes is win
They just have no ability to get along with others. You know I mean I kind of feel like it should be a requirement to do some kind of
the activities of the legislator,
but you're right. I mean this idea that in order to be effective, you have to have this kind of like you know, stylized fake. Ah, you know just completely. I think
counterproductive version of masculinity or toughness or whatever you. Whatever word. You want to use that. That's just not true, and you know, TED cruz was a debater. I was captain of the baylor football team. You know so I think I know where I'm coming from on that yet
barely be jimmy, camel and ask about seeing, as you played a bail out, a real deal. D1 programme shot out archie three around given the third forty
in vienna fell from tennessee titans ways playing the end
a lifelong dream. Yes,
I think that I didn't think I was going to be able to plan
I was already go to law school and basically so getting calls
convinced that I was going to have a chance, and I was like well, you should talk to my teammate is, is going to be good? No, no, no you're going to have a chance. We want to represent you in the nfl,
and so finally, I to give it a shot and in a while.
playing of deferring my law school admission,
Finally, they tell me just reply when, when I got done and-
I heard my neck, so I played forces seasons but as in the nfl for five years, is it my fifth year, my fifth game against the cab
is in Dallas where families in the stands- and I
it hit the wrong way- none not a big hit, but the wrong kind of it am out. My whole right side is basically shut down. If
and I knew I had a negative issue and lie on the turf part-
Persons ever had this happened before thinking the I'm
last yeah. You know, I hope he does. Okay. I think I think I approve of something near that side of it. Yeah. You prove something I mean. That's an amazing story. I think a lot of people get talked into trying to try out for teams, but to make it into play.
for four years and many new reggie love, I imagined obama's body bombers body, I've played I duke football and basketball. I think
got into yeah great athlete like one it s. Athletes, I've ever known, got talked into, I think, come into cowboys camp in,
playing linebacker, and he said he went and tried to hit some running back and just got his clock cleaned. As like Adam I'm going to do this, I can see already telling this story and it happening to what what's tougher cover
tied end or a running back out of the back them deftly running back. I think tat insert glorified after the tackles those are fighting words. I've heard some influential people and sports media suggest that ohio state use,
field further protease than might be slightly shorter than forty yards, which is why you see I players putting up he's blistering forty times there and if our protests have you heard these serious and would you consider holding hearings on forty ankara? Listen having played against the patriots,
but nothing pass anybody urban irish where they might gets right. That's right here, who is the best linebacker ever having still probably single tearing, maybe but are the best I've ever seen this patchwork willis. It was incredible.
Really, though know say: I know natural socks rather re loose.
Well yeah. I think ray lewis private.
Seeing the terror think he's probably the prototype of them
modern inside linebacker, but I mean if, if Willis had played longer, we'd be talking about him as one of the all time greats I was going to ask
You about two thousand nine game where the titans play the patriots and lost fifty nine zero by decided not to do that is funny. I
I have just come back from a neck injury, and I was like out there in the snow and we
did not hang onto the ball to save our lives. Those like it's a good head. You know I dunno oil on it or something
and tom in their randy are out there just plant pitching catch.
Am I like you what's going on and of course, a few years later here that maybe the ball?
the fly in their talk now, but seriously that that scene was so good. They set every record and ice. I still, I think it's really
got the plague and tom Brady peyton manning from the best quarterbacks. In history, the game final question: for you: if you win
have you thought about launching a big and tall caucus with John fetterman of regions,
sir we're kung cock, hoss hoss carcass
That's the point. When I win
I would never do that. We also have a very large and growing bald men caucus, although historically that's probably been a kid.
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timely and using knew what I was going to further reviewed vibe
as the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy means to people who sucker right about each other and little else far right. Eight girls, marjorie taylor, green and laura and bogart are trash hugging each other publicly after mg. After mtg, far right
Girls. Marjorie judar enhance our trash talking
which other probably after empty g, called bo. A little bit on the house floor for copying articles impeachment, let's take a look,
and cumbersome and green claims? You copied her resolution
I'm not in middle school. Can you comment on the report that she cursed at you on the floor? Like I said, meanwhile, the boys are fighting too.
last week. Elon musk was making fun of medicine coming twitter rival threads. When a fan warned him about Marshall, our arts prowess must responded, I'm up for a cage match if he is Ella well and Zuckerberg took them. Eight posting on instagram syn.
location. Ultimate fighting champion president Dana White's proclaimed the that both these guys are absolutely dead, serious, but then, after elon musk mother seem to put the kibosh on the whole thing. That's real ibis that far about his mama,
in the fight within ilan treated and has also real mom. I'm fighting him. Stop it.
Yeah I did not see the point- is we live in how? But maybe how hasn't octagon, because the worse people, you know are fighting so we're gonna play a game, we're calling billion dollar
baby, I'm gonna give you a current matchup and you have to tell us who would win that fight. Basically, you have to pick a winner and say how many rounds it would take from one to nine round one you to get a quick knockout, not even close, but if you think it would go all the way to ten rounds, then you're calling it a draw and basically they fight until they both collapse into the arms of their trainers.
All of them are also trying to date gorgeous a drawn set of ten yeah. You could say: draw draw less confusing yeah, it's one to nine or draw a good. That's that's what I was getting at great thanks for the correct thanks for helping
Hey things are made me better tommy. First sarber sports, ball, lauren bird verses, anti g on one
on one hand, mdgs into cross wit and is already so enraged. She's shit, talking lauren, both in the press like she stone, calls the boston squaring up against someone called the brett hartman
hit hit hitman over his manhood reference, I get wrestler another
and lord bobo cosponsor sponsored george santos to make the air fifteen the national gun, so you know she's loca
that goes a long way in a worker. One brawl. There's a quick answer by the way I think marginal green would fucking wipe the floor with her.
Two rounds, have you seen the video of mtg doing those crazy, crossfit palace, where it looks like you're in a rip your shoulders out every single time called kipping? I would mess with her kipping kipping one round mtg bullets onto the I n crooked. The cricket community thinks ninety percent of tgv. That is correct. However, John gets the point because it is round two because round one ntd, just toys with her like a kitten and
hunters. You beat the equipment because that would have a negative. That's. What happened then. Ok round to support goes too far
their round to its billionaires versus the ocean. Here's why it Jesus
in a submersible the oceans gonna win every time, but on the board of a multi asked
corporation extracting value from carbon based fuels, deepen the round. I
in one lot, I'm saying that you put the billionaire in the ocean the ocean, once billionaire air from the safety of land can kill the ocean
so you have to decide whether facing off over the long winter racing off billionaires versus the ocean, billions billion it all billion in all billion airs herded ovarian when the billion
go in the ocean, no good, famously wait. We but the oceans
selves. The billionaires from the land are launching an attack over time, okay right right right, and so I'm going to say. I think that the ocean winds in the eighth round, because that ocean is coming for us all and it's going to hit the most expensive beach front property first, where the billionaires lift so they're all going to drown, see. I think the billionaires are going to win because they well the oceans and up are swallowing all,
thus in all life on this earth, the billionaires going escaped mars wow while or citing so hunger, but I think that's like now. I think that's like round nine point. Two tommy
The oceans are gonna win, oh it yet,
his are going to win, but it's in wait. What did you think was gonna win the billionaires going to cause they're going to escape that they're going to the they're just going to leave the planet now tommy,
I guess this is why the oceans are actually going to win in round nine. Technically, it won't be pretty, but we, the oceans will survive and adamantly thrive. Tweet was tweeted the other day. There is a slight chance. He will end his life on mars. He will end up on mars with any luck mark.
Mark Zuckerberg would kick his ass, though that's what's next! Okay! That's! What's next! That's the next sorry emotions in their mood altering an alternating, abstract idea of doing the data, whereas in the middle of the real one trust the process as Dan would say. Ah next up mark Zuckerberg or elon musk in the octagon
Is it considered? Un is fifty one duck. Is thirty? Nine musk weighs an estimated wandered eighty seven pounds Zuckerberg less than one hundred and fifty four pounds suck as a white belt in jujitsu, while elon spends a little every day, tweeting in reply to bigoted tweets and he's not doing that from one of the
you know treadmill desk. Probably on the other hand, maybe I you know, if you're in charge of deciding when Zuckerberg gets a new belt. What are you gonna? You're gonna make 'em you're gonna you're gonna say no.
Gonna keep those, oh, you think he doesn't deserve his, but I don't know, but I'm just saying it's it's easier to give him the belt and say you're, not you have an idea yet we also have. We also think that he he he took a m and involuntary nap while voltage jujitsu yeah he lost consciousness in it. But then, then, then, the facebook pr people were quick to say no, that's not true. He didn't lose consciousness that he was just like grunting or something like that. Here's the thing about jujitsu: it's not like it's, not a boxing match where you just punch each other out until you win. It's like weird pressure points in like twisting your arms in ways until you have the tap out. That requires training and knowledge, and I think mark would kick his his ass. Elon is also a soft wimp. You can just comes through and two ampere at mark Zuckerberg will kick in.
How many rounds do you think neoprene for me yeah? I would too I'll go to. Ah tommy takes it. It was round three. That's when it's going to happen, though technically ila, and but actually you know what I'm going to give it to both of you. That's going to be a tie because John got it the the essential point which technically elon is going to quit. They're going to dance around each other for two rounds and the second, it gets real in the third round, yon going to take one hit of some kind and he's never been knee problem, and it is on twitter and say wish it could,
schedule a basement hard to find the time to get. The real five units would work: jc, yup, yup, yup, yup yup. Ah next up and finally, we have ronda santas vs. I contact ron de santis vs eye contact and know how to judge who's going to win who's going to win in a fight
it's a question. Hmm, ah you know the one. On the one hand I mean runs, it is not gonna win anything which means that eye contact will win well. The thing is that you know one of the most important thing standing between Ronda, santas and political success is his ability to relate to another.
prison rape and so all the ambition in the world? Is it enough to teach him how to fake, knowing how to interact one on one with another human being? That's the question before us. That's tough know! Yet
so either how many rounds? What rounds are you going to go and five, I wins and five I actually it'd be because he has so much money and is still like. Second in the primary. I think it could go. I'm going to say nine rounds, wow wow and how many of the John John takes that one
and take so I'm putting you both at a tie. The question is, basically, it will be around nine which we, after new Hampshire, has the after
I was roundly after new hampshire. What's going on
in primary and there's a general election, what does this rounding rules and capricious outweighed by a time machine Tom us who wins unbelievable under thing? That could happen? Does it up when the battle of ivy, I can't leave. You don't agree with my judgment as to who would win in a fight between
I contacted rendezvous at eight when victory takes place. How dare you? How dare you insult my methods, I borders and that
billion dollar baby.
Two on the ground has been no typewriter, no typewriter, yeah right. Here's a typewriter,
I bet they ask for here's a tiebreaker on the fly me vs Dan in a fistfight, it's a it's a it's and I think we have gloves math fleet. It's a it's gloves, just just boxing. Let me tell you why this is hard. This is hard because I want to pick.
And what, if I pick dan, I'm deathly, not gonna win begrudge you just decide for me to say so. You love it. You'd wipe them
Or them in one round, I think you would give dan a run for his money, but he's got the reach and you would beat you
I threatened, but you everyone would come out Sammy tried to go out with me. I, when I try to go, it's been a straight line, one the moral when he tried to appeal to the straight shoot at Billy. Congruity carry the interesting thing, Tommy's closer for sure.
The question is, I think the question is I've got those crazy eyes and ears that come out. Is there a demon inside of me cause there might be there?
ip and I don't know, there's a demon and have you done any fist fighting in your life these these,
these are for writing? Writing in signalling our high school happen, but rather more than they ever pungent. Moreover, for him
Waiving the game is over, but thanks to call on all read for joining us, I rather guy tucker as their eggs that thanks anyway, legs a guy who wins in fight collen already
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