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over these intimacy I'm john lovett Dan didn't viper John fabricate beard tonight because here wave emily are expecting a baby any day now It's very exciting! We're excited for him, of course, we'll miss him, but we have a great show for you guys. We are so excited to have a dc joining us tonight. a decent man is going book, campaign. Your governor gavin newsom's campaign in two thousand and eighteen worked for obama. Clinton. Lots of folks were thrilled to have him as our first guest is the youngest member of the california assembly Alex Lee, give it up for alex

and then for our second new section, I'm going to try some little different, we're going to focus on the intersection of tech and politics and we'll be joined by zoe schiffer. A fantastic tech reporter from platformer is going to help us make sense of this town. You guys call home yeah. So what do you guys? You guys going to applaud while you try, pretend you don't have your fucking day, jobs. What for After a year, long investigation into vague and unfounded claims house republicans voted today to formally launch impeachment inquiry into president Biden who, for that it was a party line vote our Republicans voted. Yes, all Democrats vote No, you get the concept as a reminder, republicans having stated the official charges they want to bring against Biden and they haven't proven any allegations, but that didn't slow them down. Here's republican senator chuck rashly talking about this.

but in tat case I have no evidence of a gorgeous followed the facts where they are and the facts have take me to the point. I can say that the present, We have everything the garden guys In related news, hunter Biden was subpoenaed by republicans, who demanded he appear today in front of the house oversight committee hearing in a closed door deposition instead hunter defied that subpoena and held his own press conference outside the but all worry said, you'd only test by publicly, so republicans can't cherry picking leak. His testimony so Dan is tempting to treat this impeachment inquiry is a joke peace. The process is so clearly politicized, but let's talk about what happens next in the political risk here for Biden, how do you think I'd and steam figured out how to respond to this been piecemeal inquiry? And what would you be worried about most if you had your old wade s job,

we'll just note that everyone here just cheered the defiance of a subpoena. We were here in twenty nineteen right about the time mark meadows was defying a subpoena and trump's impeachment. Now been a lot of that. There are now know that this was this. The show we did in San jose and twenty nineteen was the opening of trumps first impeach an inquiry. Nice and you guys had a much different take. So I think this impeachment engrais, like so much republican politics over the last decade or so it's just like one really

funny joke, but if I was in the white house, I don't know that I would be worried about this. I might be excited about it. I think if I was sitting in my old office why'd, I would it when I would try to convince the president to do when I understand why he would not do this because, as I was a very personal behind this is about his sudden buy from a purely political perspective, I would spend every single day beating the republicans up for this right. There's nothing job. And can use more right now in a fight with a bunch of extremist unpopular republicans, that's exactly what this house is, and so what I would would go out every day, I would say that here the things I'm somewhere here, here's what they're doing. Instead, I would you press conferences I mean. If I really wanted to to play a big card. I would do a joint. I would call for a joint session of congress go up. There say here are the things here's my agenda too? While we are costs and raise your wages and Are you doing a set of that take em on making papers? This is a huge political

stake on their part and be aggressive about it like the impede. There is, I think, a big huge right with people with these republicans would dude Joe Biden so much political good right now, and they have given him a gifted. He should take. It well said, speaking of gifts, let's watch a clip of cnn shake tapir interviewing the republican house oversight committee chairmen: Jane. summer. A my concern is that wise may have indicted one hundred bind to protect him from the pope. Yes, in the in the house, oversight committee on wednesday invited him to protect him. Yes, the classic rubric he indicted him to protect him. I got a look this whole. This is this, all things been about a cover up. You know you got too that's why here guided to protect them to to cover it up, love, jake men,

While I love not having to deal with jake as a flak love it obviously no president wants to get impeached, but history suggests that the political impact of impeachment is not necessarily a given right. Yeah, I mean look The crimes are supposed to lead to the impeachment the impeachment isn't supposed to, each of the crimes, so they fuck that They got the order on huge blunder. You know. I do think that, like the point then Dan's making is a really important, because I think people a lot of assumptions- are they sort of taken a lot of conventional wisdom about what impeachment means, but impeachment means exactly what we fight to make it mean, I think their people that say. Oh you know bill cleanse approval ratings while went up, but you could

tell that to president Al Gore, you're donald trump. You know the oh all of these accusations, impeachment it wash right off him. Did it, or did those weeks of attention, hurt him politically in that moment, and we have the memories of fucking goldfish my mic, and I think that there's sort of there's two ways to think about it and I think one actually does have a pitfall that we should just be cognizant of which is. We should not be in the position as democrats of defending kind of quotidian corruption in washington, like I don't think, there's anything to be bashful about. When you just say look hunter Biden seems like he's quite a sleaze, but there are trying to talk, Joe Biden for committing the sin of loving is fuck up son and I think a lot of americans have fuck up kids and they fuck up relatives, and we all know that it's it's the it's the act of a good person to try to find a way to love that person, even when they're fucking up and dragging your name through the mud.

I'd rather be that than anyone going out of their way to pretend that, like some of the ship, it goes on to say, including republican members of congress and what their spouses you, what their family members due to trade off the names of their own politicians. I think I think, is worth keeping in mind. And beyond that you know, hunter Biden thinks he's going to have some kind of moment in a press conference. Where he's like. Have you no decency, sir? I'm not sold on that so I'm not excited for his public hearing any more than I was excited about his private hearing. You say something Is this a joke back? She finally found a joke easier, howard, here's out say: look. I would say that Hundred by the same thing, I would say to george w bush or hitler. just stick to painting leaving space to cut that.

Have you got a piece of this is like purely financial right and then there's the piece of this. That's about hunter buttons, addictions and he's been very honest about his struggles with addiction, and I think republicans we're had the wonderful. guess solely on the financial piece of this. In the way he potentially used his father's position in office to make money. That would be one thing, but you know we know they don't have any discipline in their attacking em for addiction problems, and I don't know anybody there's nobody in this country who doesn't have a friend or relative or someone they care about generally, who has struggled with addiction, so I do think that's a real risk for republicans but it is you so, even if we concede that getting a peach during an election year is not ideal, Donald trump was been charged in for criminal cases. He was Impeach twice by the way. Do you think voters will see the criminal cases materially different? First, I will see that nobody wants getting peach, but I'm not gonna concede that this impeachment actually gonna happen in a. We only need three or four republicans to realize.

its political suicide to to devote for this for for them too to the articles. Never. Actually for women, so this angry is going to take place. I think to your point down there. Actually there will be a moment for the president to stand up there in the fatigue of the indian whenever it comes with towards the beginning of the year, but I'm not sure it actually can have it with that said there something materially different between the trump indictments and despite impeachment inquiry, and that is that one is bullshit, and the other is actually based on facts and in the reality. I think here is that there are the republican or trying to blur the line between reality in and fantasy, and we cannot allow them to do that. can allow them to do it, because talking about this and talking about it, but you know indictments and impeachment together- is actually going to serve their purposes as it were, and you know

They know that this is bullshit right. You showed the clip from a from chuck Grassley. I I took a quote from a that. I I pulled up here from chief clown, Matt gates, who called color and Johnson's investigations. Failure, theatre, fox news is chief clown bright, kill me called the impeachment ridiculous time. Can buck republican congressmen wrote in the washing posed in September that republic into the house who are eating for an impeachment, are relying on it and imagined history. They know this is bullshit and think voters to answer your question voters. are smarter than we give them credit for it, sometimes particularly the voters that I think we need to stay on our side or come back to our side. Next year, voters of color college educated voters in the suburbs and once indictments turned to trials, turned to potentially convictions. I think the difference is gonna be clear, but these are not the same thing. One is based in evidence and one is based in absolute fiction. Yet there is. There is no doubt that, like

I give you are one of the dozen or so republicans who won in Biden districts that you are deeply on these ye are deeply unhappy with this situation. This is not what you want to be talking about is not what you want to be answering questions about this, not what you want to be doing it, yet they all fucking voted to the great, including can bach, who wrote that the EU was not dry on that our bed. When you turn around and voted for the thing that he said, he was under way the worthwhile, but maybe it is actually very believe, will guy doesn't johnson from south Dakota, who said there is not evidence to impeach I don't like the stonewalling. The newest ration has done but listened. If we don't have the receipts, then that should constrain. What the house does. You guys know I've been hard on dusty johnson in the past, but that's a pretty solid quote. I don't listen to you. I just wait for my turn to talk. I just think that's a funny name

yeah love is so one hundred fine is refusing to separate this private deposition he's instead demanding that he be allowed to testify publicly during a press conference wednesday, he said quote: republicans do not want an open process where americans can see their tactics, expose their baseless inquiry or hear what I have to stay. What are they afraid of I'm here? I'm ready! What do you think of this high stakes, game of political chicken? Here's what I think I think he's making a lot of good points. I'd like someone else to make those points like this. This idea that we're heading to like a big confrontation where a hunter Biden's going to clear his name. That's not how this goes. I just I would like this to be. I would like him to answer questions from republicans the way those college messrs answer, the questions from a lease savant like loyally, cold and dead, just quiet, fuckin shitty boring answers we have

the argument that everyone's talking about right, that, like republicans, are in our Joe Biden is president as an antidote to republican chaos, extremism and corruption. This impeachment inquiry is a distraction from that fight that Joe Biden. Success as president is not something republicans can run against what they can run against his trumped up charges, efforts to do a combers in which is, if you watch calmer, he has been doing these interviews with jake tapir for literally a year now, and he goes on and he talks in that fuckin high, pitched southern accent for fifteen minutes, never seen a goddamn thing, while jake smirks and smiles and says you don't have anything but comber doesn't care because they're doing what they did with Benghazi, they're doing what they have done over the years to try to make it to two just even if there is no fire, they can do everything they can to create the to create the illusion of smoke. So our job is to fight that. What hunter Biden does I dont really care? I would like it to be quiet.

and in his own home. That's how I feel about it. I think it's worth talking for a second about why they're doing this might like. How did that, like the far as tommy and leverage it mentioned, eighteen republicans are in districts that Joe Biden won and that number is actually probably going to go up because new york there's a court case, new york and new york is going to redraw its districts. So a bunch of these we have- subpoenaed defiance and gerrymander by we're not by when we do it. It's in the short term political imperative. For why they're doing this is there is a the wall of republican physics is, if you do one same thing, which is what the problem is that when they voted to prevent the government shutting down. You have to do one much bigger much more in same thing, and that is this impeachment now, there's not like adhesive is right

There may be a chance, they will never vote too actually impeach turbine, but they want to keep the investigation going the entire time so that there can be some level of suspicion. The suspicion in a political environment where the euro A majority of americans think most politicians are corrupt and we know one thing that we, you know the in the republic in the impeachment of donald trump. There were all these subpoenas. They were never actually enforced, because the Democrats were on a clock. They were trying to get it done quickly, so they never pushed it to the envelope or they would force there to be go away if the supreme court, somebody subpoenas republicans, would now have a year or eleven months to try to do that and that's what

hoping for, is to just keep this out there. Maybe they find something that is totally unrelated to one hundred Biden. That can be some moment in the campaign. Hillary Clinton's emails did not come from investigation into her email protocol. It came from investigation into a totally bullshit special committee investigation into benghazi, and the bill Clinton impeachment grew out of a decade: older investigation out of whitewater, the everything to just part of the reason they pursued. This specific investigation is donald, trump ran an incredibly corrupt white house, where his family members profited off the administration where people who were working for him we're doing shady fucking shit

position themselves to get say two billion dollars from the saudis after they lost up, as this is also about neutralizing, a critique of donald trump, to try to stir up something that seems to have the contours of the kind of corruption that actually took place when Donald trump was president is. That is what is. That is what they're trying to do with hunter right, and that is what they were trying to. you and when Donald trump says Joe Biden as a threat to democracy. It is the I'm, am rubber your glue, twenty twenty four I am. I Only, I would add, is obviously we're talking about this has this happened today on capitol hill at its news, but one of things for the lesters for the folks at the audience like they want us to keep talking about this, because it takes up space from all the other things we could be talking about, not just about things that president Biden or and Democrats have done in washington or elsewhere, but the things that trump did and past and will potentially do if he becomes president again and so some of those just about taking up oxygen and

and making sure that you know where they, while they did trumps, are they gonna? Do it to Biden impeachment impeachment? and try to get voters out there who are paying less attention than the listeners of the people in the audience. To just say I threw up their hands, they they're all the same, and so we think it incumbent a little bit upon us too sure talk about it. It's it's important news day, but also like not to let this become the defining issue of the next six months, because its probably a good place for us to be fighting this. This election, especially when trump becomes the nominee in a couple of weeks I mean yes, I don't think we want to spend the next six months on this, but I think they are going to want to have this vote. They did very little press on the vote. They're not going to talk. They did it there's a reason they did it right before they went home for the holidays bright, just to get it done with now, none of them after get cornered by jake sherman in the hallway, the capital an answer for this, then I can see voters for weeks. They want to keep this, of course,

kind of a little bit under the radar like they're, going to come on the fox news and talk about all that we are Newsmax and anyone else to know about. It is why I think that it's worth having a fight over this and that there are political merits to having the it's like there's gonna, be a mom or down trump's the nominee and we're going to pivot hard, and that is going can be the thing the next few months there's nothing that would be better for, in my view, for Joe Biden's political standing, then to get democrats angry at republicans and this this worked for donald trump, because Donald trump's poll numbers we all cheer that day in december of two thousand and eighteen, when that impeachment was filed, Donald trump's poll numbers went, over the course of that, for two reasons one is his numbers and his approval rating among republicans went from eighty percent to ninety percent, so that jumped his approval rating up significantly and it is the one of the only times trump has ever been above. Fifty percent, with independents in the entire time of his presidency was when the Democrats were impeaching him, because the voters thought that that was not what congress should be

in no time on yeah, and so would like to your point like they want to make it about something. We should make about something else, and we should have that argument. You have a lovely yeah, maybe it's about not debating the facts. Yes, I shall be more it exactly. That is out of your matter or not. We shouldn't be debating it. If we're talking tales of explaining you're losing is like super extra when they are actually does one bind impeachment ya know what the voters, if you up ask an open, ended question to voters were the most important issues facing the: u s: its inflation immigration. Democracy like those are the things they want us to focus on by nest, make the case that this impeachment inquiry is politicize and it's happening because Donald trump, their m c, said democrats, this to me said, have you have to do it to them? But I guess you for a while I mean the reason we know the politics of this or a little unsteady for republicans is peace, for while they were hesitant about impeachment, it was the marjorie taylor greens, the world pushing for it. While

Can I normal elements of the cock, you're saying I don't know that we have the evidence yet now this support is unanimous. What do you think change to get us here? I think republican congressmen are more of a fraid of tromp and the mega based, and they are of anything else and when the rubber meets the road, that's where they go and Luckily, next november we're gonna have a chance in those seventeen districts are eighteen or, however, many they'll be too to show them the opposite, but I also think that the idea that the republican party hasn't been Wholly taken over by the maga extreme right is just not true. There are a couple sure that, hopefully, those couple that end up voting or intending to vote against articles of impeachment. Thus it never it never moves forward, but the superman enormity of republican congress is now maga republicans and we just have to knowledge. That- and I know all of us myself included for the good of the country for the good of the world.

Wish that there was a sane opposition on the other side, but it does not exist and that I do not think it will exist as long as donald trump is still in politics. That's why I still am in politics that I said the day after Hillary Clinton lasted twenty six. and until that fucker has gone, I'm not going anywhere, and it's because he's a threat to democracy and and and but anyway, that's where I think I think. Ultimately, the republican party has been taken over by donald trump, that is, that starts at the top, but it's it's the members of the house in particular, and even honestly, the rest of congress, I think, because their their mega now and we just have to acknowledge it and the rest of them have resigned. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, but we come back you'll hear from calvin

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and run for office too. No, no, absolutely not, and what talked to me about how you look: how did you come to the decision to think that this is how you should spend your early twenties and will give you confidence that you could win yeah, so I'm twenty eight now so that's three years into your basically old. Yes, I'm barreled. If you ask my very young staff, they'll say I'm at death's door and ally, I'm a basic authority, thirty three years, and it feels like I've been in office for three decades. Frankly, I started during the pandemic. I won my primary two weeks before this county shut down because of the covert pandemic and was the first step

our country. Do so so you're like Joe Biden and that work, I think so too. I think we're both leaders in our own time, like that too, I mean hey Joe by a sort of early to. I know if I could be president how at his age shoe, but strictly we'll get too that we will see will see right, but you know one thing that remote evade me to run for office- and I was legislative safer before I ran for office- is that I was frankly tired that we had a democratic super majority in california, democratic control of all the executive office, and yet we were surrendering to fucking incremental ism. We have some of the worst problems in the entire country and people, rightfully sometimes le pen us for it, but we have to be really innovative and how we tackle these problems, and maybe it's because I'm from my group, you look a valley, but I went there. I disrupted things. I said.

We should think about things differently. We should tax billionaires, we should actually get people, housing and, frankly, annoyed a lot of people the status quo, but I wasn't going to surrender drink rentals, have and that's why iran and how? How have your new older colleagues taken to your, not incremental as a message I think at first, a lot of people were taken aback by my approaching. Frankly, I've been in legislative zephyr. I understood that a lot of things were true compromise right, but he was really nibbling away at the edges of so many things, but I am excited as we conceive refresh of new members and we are more more bracing of new ideas and, frankly, it's also be as how dire the consequences are dire. The issues aren't now I mean we, even though the wealthiest state in the entire country have the largest population of unhealthful on the streets, and that is a symptom directly of our inequality. So as more and more people understand how dire the issues are, more people are turning to issues and frankly I even got the governor say once said. I was right on something and he doesn't usually say. I was right on something but

the thing you said you're right on it was this year we actually investigated the gas scout the gouging prices on. If I gasoline companies and I proposed last year- a paw, a windfall profits tax, and then we had special session to do just that, so we adopted a proposal change the way, but I was happy to work with governor governors them on this issue too. As you met, and I think this is probably your signature. Legislative effort has been introducing legislation to increase taxes on the wealthiest californians people that net worth fifty million dollars. More apologies. If those people are in this audience tonight, he walks little bit through that legislation and and why you introduced it yeah severe much like centre,

with Warren's proposal to tax mega millionaires and billionaires just put one percent of every dollar of their mega fortune. That proposal at the time when we created It- and we worked with a lot of smart academics, him and people worked in policy worked on center warren's proposal. Two would have generated twenty two billion dollars a year. Twenty two billion dollars a year- and you know the funny thing about that. Is it unequally skewed towards the billionaires, even amongst super rich people? The very very rich will be paying and we're talking about the Jeff Bezos is the mark Zuckerberg's that your muster the world, which I know you're gonna talk about later. But those are the people that we paying an enormous of money, and I want to highlight to you why a wealth us and I said, tax is so important because our taxation system, even in california and in the country, is very good at texting. If you make a paycheck, but once you no longer make a paycheck, especially the rare, rich people, we know as household names a day when you own everything and which is the most classical and ancient form of power is-

ownership, you own everything you need! You can leverage more stuff because you own more stuff and that's where the rich can forego paychecks and salaries and stuff like that, because you're leaving you own everything that is true power and that system goes unchecked and that's why wealth is so in balance, and especially now, as you've probably seen the headlines called for, is facing a budget crisis. We can continue to support our social services, our schools, our educators, all the great things that we want. If we just said, let's tax the people that already have needing a taxation system. The now California has a lot of very politically active, rich people, how we're going to have some of the later and some of them. Why are, are quite conservative and many of them are abused supporters of democratic politics in the state. What has been the response? Your proposal in Sacramento, I think

you know you have a lot of people who are very scared of the t word- and I encourage my fellow party, mrs democrats to obviously always talk about taxes, because we- and we talked about you- talk about this in the previous segment. We have to be the responsible adults in the room. We have to have a true fiscal responsible conversation. If we want the best schools in the world, actual healthcare system that serves people, we have to talk about how we're gonna pay, for it republicans always say. There's no such thing as freelance I agree. So how do we together figure out? What's the most accurate way to pay for lunch and yet we're so afraid to say how do we pay for things we enjoy and one other thing of? Why have a wealth tax is so important? Is that for more than half of californians, they already pay wealth tax on their most important source of wealth

property tax- you already pay that, but with rich people you own more than just one hat while they own a lot more than one house, they own a lot of things and that's what a wealth, tax, etc. One of the critiques that people have had to your proposal is that it would cause trigger an exodus of wealthy people from California and that would diminish the tax base during a time of a reader, as you say, a budget crunch. What's your response to that? The reality is two things. Is that the migration, the output of the outbound migration californians tend to be about working class, californians people that can pay the premiums been california, whether or not they bitch and moan about California. They pay the premium. They stay here. Frankly, because you can pay the price,

it's people who are squeeze in the middle and squeeze at the bottom, who have no other options but to leave the state, those people that leave the states- and we also know from history under governor jerry brown, who was a fiscal conservative. We raise income taxes on people and yet the migration of high income people did not was not as exodus that people complained about all the time. So, frankly, all the times I see people complain about. Well, if we do this, the ritual do this: It will do that. I felt we live in a democracy folks either I didn't know we live in an aristocracy where we did what the nobility wanted us what sort of all about housing raise that might it is every conversation you have what people all across the country franco's but has no particular relates to hear in California. What have you been working on to try to address the lack of affordable housing estate. Obviously, so, when I ran in twenty twenty and just a small plug, is that no one thought I was gonna win in twenty twenty, including myself? Ok, because

I had thirty two thousand dollars in a half a million people district to just knock on doors, for the most pressing issue that I talked to. Other people is housing, affordability, I've shared this often the I am one of the five renters in the entire state legislature, five out of one hundred twenty people, and I'm also probably the only person that lives their parents, because in my area it cost swamp, was action now to merely to me allows you to buy a house lasted one point: six million dollars and housing affordably is so critical to the very fabric of california city. If you think about this, if I, as someone who works in government and gets pretty decent well paid, cannot afford to be a homeowner in my own community as many people do, then, what's our long term hope in his face? Are we going to be priced out, and so it's only people will pay. The premium can be here. So

in the legislature we're focusing more more on housing, affordability of really active step and under the leadership of our new assembly housing chair chris ward from san diego, my favorite tree hugger. If he's listening, have I really say what we're going to do, because we can thread so many different issues: climate justice, homelessness, social justice through land use through housing issues. It is very nerdy oftentimes, it's about zoning or exclusionary policies or stuff like that, but the heart of it out I tried to tell voters. Is that the way your tummy looks and feels is because land use is because of housing, and I believe that housing as human rights, so we should be doing as much as possible as a government to make sure that everyone has a home

This is probably not fair, and I mean to make you the spokesperson for your entire generation by one of the biggest challenge in my colleagues do, but if its effective by one of the biggest political challenges for presented by an undemocratic frankly across the country, right now, is that young, the young girls who propelled our election victory since when eighty twenty twenty are becoming more disengaged, more more disengage from the democratic right now to disengage from issues frustrate with president Biden, that's right with a group of within its coalition, whereas poor rings have gone down the boast. What would your advice be too democrats by how they win back in reengage the younger voters, who, of course are critical to any democratic factory yeah? I don't look as speaking as also a strong.

restive in our civilization and also of the press of carcass. I'm zone is fostered by an invitation to, but sometimes as a young person puzzled, why political, analysts or so struggling with wild, engage young people with you approached us just like every other timber graphic. It makes sense, because what we are asking is, what do you do for us? We have asked for student blown relief. We ve asked for a decisive climate change. We have to add if we ve been asking very plainly for decisive action, material change, and yet we fall short raised in their soon loan conversation worth been pause and little bit, it cut off a little bit of this right, but people get very frustrated by bad. So I think if there is decisive material benefit as affecting us, I think that's what we want to see, and I think this president, as being the most progressive present in our history and the most pro union is present in our history, can deliver on those

things and like in a time when the republicans only want to do is impeach or besmirches found you all these things. Why not show them and say hey, you know what I'm just going to like that. Your student loan debt is gone, I am going to make healthcare for why we do all this, I'm just going to do it, because it's also just as porn is the brag about a victories in two press releases, and I know, as politician, we also have to deliver on these things that make people feel the change, because if people feel that this governor is working for them, they really will vote for the walter out for that. But right now I think a lot of people are disillusioned and they feel there isn't that moral clarity or that decisive action and that's what Democrats want. We want decisive social change and if we don't see that it's hard to be inspired, Well, that's a great place to end it. Please give it up for Alex Lee aright we're in San Jose, a city that is sometimes referred to as the city. That's an hour south of the capital, silicon valley,

just getting on this as well? is hence without we spend the rest of the show, talk about the intersection tack and politics into to help us sound. Smart for once we are joined I zoe schiffer. She is the managing editor at platformer, excellent, excellent site and the co author of the forthcoming book extremely hardcore inside elon, musk twitter. You can preorder it today. I imagine right the only walk in the park. Thank you so much for having me it's wonderful that okay so wait before. Can we just get a gauge of the audience? So we know who we're dealing with here. How many of you are current? Twitter users? Can you raise? and no shame and how many of you pay for ex premium applauded wherever we can go out. Does any one person in this room pay for ex premium? If so, please leave

though he was scorch, you were speaking of acts premium irregular. So this week I guess this is premium now. You must continue the race to the bottom by reinstating none other than ex jones. You remember Alex Jones, the guy. You claim that sandy hook elementary school shooting was a hoax and got his band of followers to harass the families of the victims, so Not only did you on reactivate, Alex joneses account, he invited him to appear in a live twitter space, but have you call that space thing with republican presidential candidate, the vague promise mommy. Here's a clip settlement I have to check out are clear about ignorance, I'm super pro dreaming. I mean all human humans in america, humans in the body of god that he had fallen open to the bathroom of avec, because I have access. That's your phone to vacuum, not able to meet you

back economic guidelines so about that? Yes, we do play that clip on tuesday show. But Democrats been promising. You guys a pity. For six years I'm we finally delivered our producer, wanted us to try this one that makes a real will get her. Got some booze Alona. So obviously reinstating Alex Jones is basically a way of signalling you don't actually care about trust and safety or content, moderation or anything. But it's also part of a broader trend where tech companies like meta and youtube have changed their policies on political advertising. They've relaxed restrictions on dis information like claims at the two thousand and twenty election was stolen. So why do you think these companies are basically giving up on content moderation as we,

roll into twenty twenty four, the I mean none of this is an accident. I think that there is a legitimate attack on free speech happening, but it's not the attack that most people think there's effort from conservatives to make the work of content moderation, seem dangerous and downright illegal, and this is the culmination of that plan of any took companies on a good job. with content moderation. The using I mean access now that the buyer, pretty so they anything above having alex stones of the background saw me p. Non areas is pretty got it. That's why houses we did do and are they credit the willing, like the republican? and miserable, even I'm, going after media matters right so like they claim to be for free speech, but then, basically, they target people

Who just simply want accountability or to whole people accountable for their speedy other thing about free speech on these platforms? Is it doesn't mean that all speech is allowed, because what happens when you allow all speeches that most people actually cannot speak because their brutally harassed, and so you need some level of content moderation and there is a real effort right now to make that seem politicized. when its honestly, not to do so would mean Democrats in particular have gone back and forth on whether we should, beyond these platforms and fighting and whether we should starve them of users and revenue. I guess where do you ends at this yeah, maybe an unpopular physician for the room, but I actually I'm not paying for premium for damn sure. But but you know, our bob and campaigns to win elections at some level is to take the world as it is, and if people are using a medium, it's very hard to just take yourself out of the game of talking to the people who are either getting their information, political or otherwise. From that medium, and so I had a. I had a couple of debates

I ran when I ran senator booker's campaign for president in two thousand and twenty. Should we go on fox news, or should we not should we? I know that there's been talk about the president getting off of some of these platforms. People are there and when you again, when you're in a campaign in particular your job, is to communicate your message: do people where they are my general position is: should we be supporting advertising dollars, probably not to the extent that we certainly on the corporate sense. But on the campaign side it it's really hard to say: no, don't spend any money talking to voters and on meadow when that's where they are.

and you are basically ceding a battleground to to trump and the republicans. It's interesting, though, like I, I am no disagreements at all, but that the like the debate that elon musk and these sort of guys want to have is one about kind of like abstractions and ethics, which kind of makes sense because they're the worst people at college. Right like that's, that's what this group is like the worst people met in college grown up but like from a business perspective and just from a user perspective? Yes, like what are the ethical bounds? What are the more? What is what is what are the like? The the like kantian, categorical imperatives around free? these I put that aside, who cares about any of that, like is the please you want to spend your time is a fun,

an exciting and cool and and rewarding and enriching. Experience like the answer is no, and so like. You can have a debate about like the the limits of free speech on the internet, but from our business perspective and for us as users like I don't care what that, like, that the green line, is I got off of twitter and I'm a little bit happier and and that's, and so when they go, your media matters or they go after the laughter they claim like isla, must claims the anti defamation legal, silencing him is like how dare these jobs whose clear I'm an anti semite these fuckin do. What's up saying, I'm an anti semite, how many so to tell these fuckin jews to get off my dick, anti semite issues. These Jews will shut the fuck up rebel. These sneaky fuckin jews

stop telling me that I'm an anti semite, I'm going to sue these rich sneaky international kabbalah fucking jews for calling me an anti semite, because everyone knows I love humans. That's what you could hear in the fucking background of that asshole peeing, And so the point is this: intellectual masturbation around free speech is not elon musk problem. The problem is that people who are to treat other people like dick who treat other people like assholes, who make other people, feel bad. That's a platform. People don't want to be on, which means it's not a platform. Businesses want to advertise on, and that's not an ethical question. That's just a product question when you can have a platform that has Alex Jones.

or you can have a platform that makes money from advertising you can't have both yeah. I mean there's a reason that content moderation on these platforms generally always ends up at the same place. You start out saying you're a free speech, absolutist and then a foreign government says that you're going to be booted out of the entire country. Unless you take down speech and so elon musk, bet on rail real fast, and this keeps from every angle is child sexual exploitation allowed? Absolutely not. Is this other kind of speech allowed? Absolutely not? Oh, this person's getting harassed and docks and other life is in danger. Is that allowed, and then you end up with like meta or the other platforms, or you end up, as you said, without internet or then one day, impulsive man, child buys your company It sounds like in dollars- and this is where you are. When you talk to people who work at other tech companies, the meadows youtubes, are they like? Thank god, elon bought twitter.

This is the best thing. That's ever happened to us. No one talks about us anymore and they don't say that, but I would think that that is the general feeling, because the bar has been set at the absolute ground level at this. But I worked at facebook comms, I would buy them a drink, I don't mean mark Zuckerberg. Can we talk about his reputation like he looks? right up he's had a summer of all summer is I mean germany, our team, there's a typo into messieurs unknown care he popular. Now, it's like it's like you know, he's like an ex boyfriend, and it's not that he it's not that it's better. He wasn't a better boyfriend and hides It is just that the boyfriend after him was so awful. It's like like you. I really gave actually what so republicans and consider that a media liked it

the barriers in the tech industry. Is this like lefty, liberal Paradise in law is certainly true that a lot of tech company employees are progressive, their bosses and their investors are often more right wing or assholes like you and musk, or peter teal or davits acts. The list goes on and on even twitter, founder jack dorsey in between yoga retreats, endorsed R K. Junior for peace and so we do, you have a sense of people, surprised or disappointed, or both Gus it's gotten last summer I respond heard a disgusted. Do you have a sense of which candidates? The kind like big money players in silicon valley are supporting? Feel like they ve been kind of dabbling in a few along the way I mean yeah. I think we can watch like that David faxes of the world and they seem to be turned into words: the back and

I've, got a junior. I know, but I mean I don't seem to be like if you follow where the money is unaware that fundraising this happening, that seems to be a, I mean Peter teal. I guess is decided to set up this election. And not donates anymore candidates in twenty twenty four and to get himself there. He did This long interview with a new yorker to announce his decision because he said it would force him to not changes. My I guess the new yorkers is accountability partner, speaker. My johns amazing, like What did abusers like tweeted out dude not spend like eighteen hours with barton gellman or whenever he did? He has a weird move. I mean if, if you were to tell If I did an eighteen hour interview with the new yorker, and I would never get another fundraising text in my life, I would do that you know what dad you raise a really important point, we're in san jose I'll. Do my pitch again called democratic plus you pay monthly fee, and then you never get a text again.

join Democrat plus today, and then you don't get another text from a house. Kennedy never occurred up with a picture that says I'll, kill myself. If you don't hear right now, the sound of those chairs means you just raised thirty million dollars. Hell yeah got up, it's happening, it's happening, it's already vaporware. I mean this is a hard question, but is there a political ethos in silicon? italy, this guy, says now that drone said no, I feel like there's I mean I think, there's a big difference between, like you said before that people who have money or is that part of acts around the fantasies of the world and then the people who are like on the ground working at these companies and are pushing for more progressive policies.

Think silicon valley kind of has its own ideology and it's like industry first and a lot of ways. But that's item, I wouldn't say that's reflected in the rank and file employees. There is also a weird amount of paranoia and I can't tell if the paranoia comes with the industry or the paranoia comes when you have lots of money and you're worried about losing it. For example, in that same new yorker story about peter teal, SAM Altman, has quoted the ceo on again off again ceo of open ai, and he said that in a global catastrophe he and Here's the deal we're going to wait it out together and Peter Thiel's sheep ranch in new zealand yeah, the prepper community. Are you new to them? Why are there so many preppers here to tell us more about the prepper community. And I really now yeah. I think that from what I can to help it's like an exciting ideology that men in this industry at the foot generalization, but it's what I've seen seem to feel like

If the end of the world is nigh on, that's a very energizing way to go through life and it justifies a lot of decision. Making along the way, I mean it's just my opinion. I'll do there's a it. Does look there's a little bit of something where I feel like some of these. wealthy tech people feel as though they got away with a heist. You know they feel like they feel like they got away with something, so it feels a little ill gotten and so psychologically it's about to go. It's like it's like they're, like mobsters, putting cash In the like, it's like it's like the money, that's buried with havana on the golf course you know, like you know, jump

valuables down there, because on some level he knows it can all go away because it's ill gotten and if it's, if he got it, and if he got it, the wrong way can go just as quickly, and I feel like there's that there's some little broken part of that brain were just like. I got away with something and at some point the world is going to catch wise, which is why part of the end of the world is trying to figure out how to get there super soldiers to wear the neck, brace that'll explode no follow orders of money doesn't work. You know I mean I mean I I hear you idea is very full pretend you naughty? Maids suffer that story that better billionaires, didn't know what to do in their money stopped working, so they figured out they'll they'll the poor, little braced, the put things around the neck so that the guy's keep listening. I think there I think I'll go outside Because backed out of mere ass few years, having been the best for some parts of the tec community,

higher interest rates, making it harder for venture capitalists to sir raise money for the next year round of whatever that's what the parade is about. That's that wouldn't do that. Walker found for them silicon valley bank collapsed year. These major crypto ocean he's going bankruptcy of leading figures like sandbag, been freed, potentially doing jail time, but now, all of a sudden, the price of bitcoin, is back up. The new york times just wrote an article about a twenty seven year old, who raised nearly twenty million dollars to build a crypto city in the mediterranean and sure thou pan out is the tec bubble. Back I mean, have you heard of artificial intelligence? Tell me more to tell me everything. I think we have a new, above all, given above all in the day I mean, I think the tec there's a lot of money in silicon valley so and we will find ways to funnel and we are not part of us. They will find ways to funnel

it into various projects- and I think artificial intelligence, you know, has more legitimacy. I would say that in crypto, but definitely it's where the money is at now. We just feel like there's this real urgency, because there hasn't been a new things, It's a smartphone was invented and said we're at fifteen years from now. So it's like we're waiting for the thing that's going to create all those new while the crypto is supposed to be that thing, and then it wasn't, and so now it's a I and so have you just put like there are all these I mean. Have you written any stories of these people who just basically put ai in a deck You are throwing millions of dollars at Andrews is like it's a for dog food like air power. For my money, but they also it is the apples like now. The phone is for cameras, whites people. I don't know how much time you don't hear elects a recently. We think I'm smarter and fifteen years I went media and email I received from my friend, Samir unmade, thirty two thousand eleven. This is real speaking of crackpot financial schemes. Anyone want to buy some

points. I want you to know that we decided not to buy bitcoins that day, because we had a different stock. We were interested in. It was tivo the at the zoo, you're still in politics. work and on campaigns europe before tonight, the like home when the anxiety and the democratic party is all about the impact of a potentially on campaigns. Are you seeing any of this play out in the cycle? Yeah I, if I'm not mistaken yesterday in a pennsylvania house race, ask me y. I know this. I was used to funding for the first time really literate like like a car. station with a voter via a robot, basically a god then say probably wasn't that effective. But but I did work guest

short answers were at the beginning of what I think is going to be potentially a scary, potentially excited in a revolution of every industry when it comes to ai, but politics in it as well? And so it's not, I think you know, I think back to await- was at facebook in oh, eight or two facebook, myspace or facebook, and our aid and twitter in twelve, and you know that always something in some in a cycle that becomes the next big thing until it's not and twenty was covered that that stuck around for a while, but I'm not sure if this is gonna, be the a cycle or or another one, but I do think it's coming, because I actually think it can be potentially very helpful to to our industry. I also think it very dangerous, because you know when it comes to jobs, and you know we usually have human beings making phone calls, for example, and if ai gets really good at at at the

calls goodbye field, organizing right it becomes a lot cheaper to do that its utter, and so we are not there yet. I don't think this is the cycle. Probably where it takes over, but we're all gonna have to figure this out just like we figured out every other tackling for the last twenty years. I ve been doing this. I do. I do worry the like. We see with you, no art of artificial images that the threat is in people thinking fake things are real well that as a threat, but just as big as the threat that people start seeing real things as fake that do you start to doubt whatever you seeing what every here already, I think I know that I am deluged with text messages and phone calls that I don't answer, and even if you have an hiv phone call that can just as effectively reach people really what you do,

Is creating a device to make phone calls more ubiquitous and then less useful as results which I like we we we've been talking about this in a bunch of different ways, but like so much of what politics is is figuring out how to break through the noise and break through the clutter and for years and years that we basically built a kind of information system that values almost true kind of doll kind of. semi semi emotional things that, like that feed true, but aren't necessarily true and that's a perfect thing for artificial intelligence to generate vast amount. And so like we kind of diva you'd information and then built a system that can make it even cheaper and, like I dont know what happens on the other side of it, but maybe we have maybe the only way out is through their the

intersection of politics in a is incredibly fascinating re, there's all the dangers of deeply videos and all of that- and I think lover is a really important point which is eddies. I'm sure you ve seen this, but in people are so captain, all right now of positive and political adds that the only adds that really work are the ones that use a politician in their own unaided voice. Where shall I put it from saying something or a voter making a kid. My regular person who's got a politician explaining why we bad to take the affordable, characterise the binding campaign, as add up like that right now, and I actually has the potential to render the first one not actual I but the price spectre by data from has already said that a very legitimate The eu of his was a defect is can do that throughout this campaign, and It's a big thing, but then there are some other really bad ways in which ai or annoying ways that ai has effect us, which is the only thing that's preventing us from getting more fundraising emails and texts, is the time it takes to write those

and then, when you take that friction out of you just asking chat dvd to said you in an insane text about how why the entire world's going jan? If you don't give money to attack, you never heard of five minutes ago, like that's good in it, It's a reward, the worst like big, most griffin fires, but other ways in which I think it's incredibly, it could be credible. You spoke as ultimately, politics is them. It is the marriage of art and science in words and data and their ways to think. much more to understand what politicians are saying and at every alright, whether its with there's all this scrutiny on what comes out of prison by its mouth and the campaign like white like what is out the right message, which we in the speeches we may add, but you could use you can then take the data are using to inform that in applied across every conversation that every voters having not by this is, I think, we're going to create a fake chat back out the conversation, but by the sort of brute smoothing out the process by

If you're using the most optimize messages in every single interaction- and that is like a very, very interesting thing and my dancer I data. If anyone wants to talk about it. Interestingly, like four all the anxiety about ai and deep fakes and things ahead of us, it does seem like a lot of people have been driven off twitter recently, not because of deep fakes, but because of like people surfacing old videos in saying that there are from Gaza when really there like syrian fifteen? Is that a twitter specific problem, or would you things happen? It yeah I mean elon musk has promoted a crowd, sorest fact checking to as the first line of defence between telling fact from fiction on its platform, and I think we ve seen more recently that that's woefully inadequate. In times of crisis, we need a multi pronged approach,

especially during an election, and that's going to take human content moderators and it's going to take ai and it's going to take sophisticated tools and the trust and safety team at x is a shadow of it's former self they've, we devalued and under invested in all of these things, and I think that's going to be an enormous problem in the coming election. I hate the community notes thing, it's obviously a ridiculous thing, but I will say that someone attacked taylor. Swift, for when she was in the time of the year or say. How could this. billion error person who can end the war in Gaza with one instagram post b what we now get. This award adamant that committee knows they was tradition, he is the ramparts of not ended century all complex. I withdrew the gray one at that whatever. Just a ridiculous thing to think taylor, swift, kudu, that's what she could do. What she could do is solve a lot of unsolved murders

on tuesday, a jury in san francisco ruled in favour of fortnight maker epic games in their lawsuit against Google. At the games. Claim the google hadn't really if the monopoly in the Google play store after the win epic games? Ceo Tim Sweeney told the verge quote: it's a great day for all developers to see that the sherman antitrust act works in the new era of tech monopolies and how big a deal do you think this decision is, and you think it's going to impact whether it's stress cases going forward yeah. I mean it's a really big deal, although I will say were a few years out from knowing exactly what the final answer to this. As Google has already said that it's going to appeal. If the ruling stands, then I think we can expect to see a more robust, app ecosystem where smaller developers are able to circumvent Google's an app and fees which are thirty percent right now and we might see multiple app stores and all that is very good for consumers. But I do think it's a little early to know what this could mean

or apple and other big tech companies, does epic lost the same suit against outright because at hamley ass, the phones, so they had a different set of rules, is the right, yeah and also google one a similar case that was decided by a judge last year, and so I think it's it's still a total question mark. This was a jury trial which ended up being important. This is also a case where I think President Biden has got a lot of credit for putting in place regulators who are have a track record of writing and thinking it saying things that I think are lot tougher on tech monopolies. Do you think the toughness of those appointees has played out in practice in terms of even changing behave you're in silicon valley. I don't know I mean when we think of the empty see we certainly have a much stronger apathy and more aggressive empty sea than we have in the past. At the same time, lena con, like there have been a lot of losses that I think I was part of the story Do you might know better than me, but my understanding of her approach was we're. Gonna, take really big swings and there

be a lot of losses along the way, but we have to take a stand for consumers and change the definition of what the fcc is really here to do so I think it's actually and it's kind of yet to be determined. What all of that looks like what people are definitely paying attention? It's interesting because Donald trump likes to pretend he's like this big populist, but there are a lot of these tech companies who are basically pudding on pause, the idea of merging or acquiring someone to see what? the election because of donald trump gets in they'll be much better in their view, for big tech monopolies right and that Actually, I think, a lot about the exact argument, but part of the overall populist case Biden can make. Is that donald trump is going to if they're, that they're rooting for him, because that it is better for monopolies and big huge companies under trump, because they're scared that Joe Biden's Biden's gonna enforce antitrust laws yeah. I also do think sometimes this debate, like the risk posed by these companies being so big and having monopolies like

create one set, a very big counters anything. It's really important that we have aggressive anti trust laws, and- relations, but I also think it sometimes is a quick thing for politicians say to like can of wave off some of Issues that actually don't have as much to do with the size of these companies like issues of of of of the misinformation privacy issues like, I think the fact these companies are so enormous and have so much power impacts the ways in which they don't have to respect consumer privacy, consumer rights. They don't have to worry about about regulation in part because of their influence in their lobbying, but do regardless of whether they break amazon in half or spin off the part you know spin off and make you give the allowing whatsapp to be under under eye and who got that manner better regardless we need a privacy law like regardless. We need a regulation of of these companies. One hundred percent, okay, we're going to take a quick break,

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features on their smart blunder? How do we brenda. toilet cameron, away that assuaged privacy concerns. What have we can make life a little better and worse, we're getting filthy, fucking, rich. So cyber game we're calling to the slide tech taboo, I billion down will be one team decent in time? You will be the other alternate ask each time it we're tracking. Requesting that they can answer the question? The other team has the chance to steal? Are you ready? Yes, formerly question were first will start with a buzz, usually Well, you gotta get walkable alternate. Do I got this? Okay ability? If you question you give is KEN jennings? You would just trust him because I happened to be a drunk idiot.

Just yesterday, the new york times profile the twenty seven year old and why you drop out, who is raising money to build a crypto city for tech, bros and tastemakers in the the turanian. What is that guy's name and what is the name of the tec utopia? He reportedly tried to build in ghana before pivoting practices this year that the current, when his name is china, brown. That is correct. I wasn't he beheld evil choice now shouting to santa Barbara he's from my home town, so we are scorned, by in the blank one of the internal slides revealed by the wall street journal, facebook files is us. I titled user experience of blank is exacerbated by our platform, complete with a graph outlining how teen girls experienced severe negative mental health outcomes by using instagram. What is that user experience? Is this multiple choice? No, I think there are

sperience of blank I'd like to phone a friend John authority. Also, we felt no, no It's an emotional experience. There. Kuwait. Can you sorry, can you read that just want it's there? The user's experience of blank is exacerbated by our platform, and it's about teen girls experiencing negative mental health comes have to deal with I heard I heard body morphia you're in the ballpark. It was about damage, it was just downward spiral. their experience of downward spiral of our continent. The mad lives that shed but hard to guess, yeah, ok, so, is hard. Who cares who treated tommy entity soon. The corona virus. Panic is dumb. On march twenty twenty

elon musk, elon rask, starting a nearly uninterrupted four year string of being awesome dan and that tip at which startup launched by Jeffrey Katzenberg is considered one of the biggest failed startups with history yep, you got it. They were in our building, though they were in our building tommy and it easier jew, cerro a famous flop. So the four hundred dollar wifi connected juice press he's proprietary packets of pre, mangled fruits bottomed out, because why a you could buy juice at the store, be there are more affordable, sir see you could squeeze juice with your hands or d, you gave a piece of fuckin fruit.

I remember this story well because I was a little drifts in my career at the time and I had a meeting with a really smart, really nice person. I should think Dan connected me with the life we talked about a bunch of different, interesting things happening in silicon valley. I lived in san francisco the time and she Sarah came up, and I was like. Oh that sounds cool, but I'm not like a juice guy. But I turned out you could just squeeze the pack, that's correct! You could just squeeze the juice out of me, the four hundred taller like time to release system but sat in your kitchen, we ain't, I can say and relevant member was also it was on. It was like it was end user licence agreements like like fucked with so that, like if your job, pack, it was past a certain date, the machine wooden squeeze it for you like the misleading land yeah, like a machine, would be like no. No, this juice is not for you get our juice or the other answers incorrect. Or is that one just super correct? Because I think you can just

I need some fucking fruit. Oh yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point techniques. You've got the right answer. I dunno why you're arguing I think the point is I'll. Take the boards, I didn't think of that which disgrace tech mogul's lawyer, told the media this week that his client, maybe at the very top of the list at the worse as the worst person I've ever seen. Do a cross examination sandbag confirm that is corrects lawyer said: that's bloomberg, Is he in jail currently or is he on homer rest thought he was in jail, but I'm hearing humorous, but I'm not a crypto. I he got sent to jail for doing too much internet

yeah we're talking to Michael. I was about five hundred times nets that is accurate to good Democrat you're. Talking about are tech. Weird o Brien Johnson made a splash, the small by insisting he had actually lower the biological age of his penis by fifteen years. How did he claimed to do this hint? It's your second thought No, how did he lower? How did he claim he lowered the age of his penis by fifteen years, because that awaits the kind of poland it think? So that's your first thought. What's your second thought gets better. live there. Nobody eagles, like it's all about any out there when goes, that's right, electrocuted his penis according to johnson. There's this

acknowledging yeah a wand and you sit in a chair and the technician uses the wandered, basely shocks. Your penis hey, remember once more you will use your men, airplanes and antibiotics. No one got that one else it is like. Why did he say worked during your trial, jurors heard who's up. Go this way words Tommy pay attention was. What we have done is our last show the year guys during your trial. The thing is the thing they use to shock me John. Has

during our trial, jurors, heard their noses. Elizabeth homes make a number of false claims to journalists, roger pearl off the record of their interviews for peace and fortune, which of these was not a lie which was not a lie that homes toes during those interviews a that their nose had worked with a? U s military in Afghanistan be that there are no had worked for foreign governments, that sea thoroughness had worked with border security d. That there are no said were correctly when performing six hundred tests, making it competitive with quest diagnostics that one's a lie right, yeah has got it all, which is the lie. She didn't tell. Oh, okay, it's such a confusing question. She toll it's, it's like jack, Amsterdam. I know because she she would do know the afghanistan one I think, is real, because that was part of their dead, Jim Mattis. On the board, yeah, guess and then secretary? I think they worked with people overseas. Is gas go thou incorrect? It was the border What do I do? Did you know the answer? The board which are always you got

I believe you you're translated trustworthy pace. Dennis which of these unfortunately named failed acts is a real, unfortunately named fail that, in other words, one of these is real. A hitler no vowels a music designed for users upload their hits and have them you'd by other musicians b,. blow me a balloon. Delivery start at sea fascism affair. Our design for used upload. Their looks and I've been critique by other fashion east as or D s, my dog, a pet, find her out. That seems to have been pretty normal, except for that rank name, one of the, This is real, which one is it Hitler

Blow me fascism, or have made. What do you think? I really am between fascism and blood, me, which I don't like to be That's what it's like to be on twitter. I know you're always done between fascism. In blow me, let's go with fascism, yeah! That's you gotta and actually could you and me a good meal accrued is invested in twenty eleven course fix it, and finally- and anybody can take It- who wrote this tweet Just gave a squirrel a piece of bread and it straight smash how they got it. So we got it, it was travis kelsey. I just gave a squirrel a piece of bread. Every word smell spelled wrong, squirrels spelled and against the british way.

that's actually how we spell squirrel. Now, though he we decided at then, and that's not before the a bread and it straight smashed, all of it. I had no idea they read like that ha ha hashtag crazy. That was travis kelsey, Zoe and dan you've won the game. I think so. Congratulations you've won two tickets to praxis. We found it on on quote traditional european western beauty standards in which the civilised world, at it's best points, is is found success in cool court it's like, I always say, inside every techno, libertarian millionaires, a tiny little fascist way to pop out like an alien through John hurts abdomen. given up rizzo everybody. This is where we go. We thought it'd be fun to take a couple of questions or maybe hear a couple tech horror stories, whereas going to open up did you

wicked hitler without a thing? Why have you work in a fascism? We want to know, did you, tom, you zero, you pronounce the ie or or we might get thereby make our sins out there. We can bring the lines in another of them go out every day. We are we open to questions or what I would say to him was the one week gossip anonymous gossip about tech freaks also welcome or questions. I have none of that. Isn't it, mr fifth anniversary, isn't what you're fifth anniversary fifth anniversary of what your company I don't think so now who started longer than early twenty? Seventh, I don't remember Fourth, this I've always been here I'll always be here. When you look back on the founding of crooked media,

Is where you are now, or you thought you would be, did it grow the way you thought? I remember that first meeting when Jack Tommy just wrote on it, feel napkin santos, others, sir you're, that day we like when we during upon cas. There was on the ringer and we decided to do pod, save america and try to launch a company around it. We were protected by just how little we knew we had that we had the confidence of of ignorance, true true ignorance, and that gave us, I think, the freedom to believe that this could work, and I think we thought there are a lot of other people that felt like we did. That would we want to be part of a community like this, but I dont think a we understand just how hard it would be too to build a company and how how much smarter the people would have to be. Who would ultimately need to do us?

and then be, I think, like no. We could have never anticipated that we would be here all these years later. I am seeking to look. We thought we give it a year and then I'd be on some kind of failed. Roseanne reboot brightened jokes for them then almost happen. It did almost out of those, as my other fuckin path should cancel right, yeah that we send jones gavroche kitchen for months which, Emily it's not like and- and we created a medium website, which we barely knew, how to do, announced it and called it a company you bet we had to. We had to use the website, get crooked media dot com because crooked media and cricket dot com. There was a a guy in prescott area dona. His his career was in porn, but his passion, was taken on the liberal media so eventually? whether that the porn king prescott, arizona. Whatever guy anyway, we got it the website, eventually man. What else my question?

safer dan. I'm sorry it's out of tat question either I was reading the sum of the biosphere and in yours on its stated that a you are, banned from going to russia because Putin I sat back. Is that really true? And if it's really true, what did you do to Dan dated his daughter, I'm not really. I've got rock messy in it. It is true, and the reason I am band to this day from travelling to russia is in that ran. Russia invaded ukraine. The first time in twenty four team. I was previously scheduled to go on meat, the press to given every about something else. The egg is no one sends me on tv to talk about major foreign policy, but it happen, and basically, while I was after our schedule, so our friend ben roads, whose time is

a lot of here, he gave me some very aggressive, talking points about why Putin's decision to invade. Russia was really a sign of weakness, not strength and when the russians banned a whole bunch of people, a bunch of americans in its in retribution for the? U s, action in much of russian officials? I got added to that list, which answer, the mystery of which people in the world still watch the sun dishes, wow great, very observe and reading of the bio all done. What else we got up there? Okay, I have a question about relational organizing in versus ai. I was here you want applause, for the gates of the question is: do you think that radiation,

it'll organizing is going to become more important like walking out and canvassing in person versus the phone calls and texts that may be. Of course, a romantic break is a really good question. I actually haven't really thought about the implications of ai That's really interesting! For, for those you don't know, relation organizing is really just you know the old days like five years ago. you would get a list of your neighbours or what have you? Are you walk into a campaign office and they give you a list of owners and you got off the doors and you talk to them about your candidate now, the sort of in the last two or three cycles, the the organizing, the hot thing does your, which I can think tat. Your question is the right way to do. Organizing is basically tapping you're the contacts in your own. And allowing you to sort of define who, within your own, I've owner, android or whatever it might be. Contact list is a target voter and communicating with them. Presuming you aren't if there and their phone you already know them. I think

It is a more effective way to organize, because organizing is all about relationships and if somebody's in your phone, that presumes that you already know them and you already have a relationship with them, and so your communication with them will be more effective than a stranger coming. Their door? I'm not. I don't really know how I feel a gay. I could help sort of accelerated ultimately, but it still comes down to that that the core power of relation organizing is that you know the person you're talking to before you show up and talk to them about politics, and thus they are more likely to accept what you have to say. pick up the phone whatever it may be, and maybe I can just help, make it basically a little more efficient right. Listen! Thank you! San Jose, you d soon that zoe thanks Alex labour venier greatest here every night

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