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Is Trump Snoozing on Iowa?

2023-09-12 | 🔗

Trump shows up in Iowa to flip burgers before a football game, but his allies worry that photo-ops won't be enough to win the Hawkeye State. Republicans in Wisconsin prepare to impeach a judge before she's heard her first case, while their counterparts in DC lurch closer to forcing a government shutdown. Then, constitutional law scholar Laurence Tribe talks to Lovett about why the 14th Amendment might bar Trump from serving another term, and Hallie Kiefer joins the guys to test out the latest in right-wing classroom propaganda. 

 

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Wasn't applies deposit America. I'm John favour. I'm back from the player, John mother, he made a funny I'm tired, or on today's Joe Biden shit, I have concerns about his age with a five day. Trip around the world. Kevin Mccarthy, shut down the government to keep his job. Republicans in wisconsin may try to overturn last spring states supreme court election lee scholar lawrence tribe, talks to love it about the gambit to keep trump off the ballot using the fourteenth amendment and later, take a look at the right wing propaganda that states like florida and Oklahoma are now, including in their public school curriculum in a game. We're calling Prager who for kids yeah that's Oregon, yeah work
but first trump and dissent as both went to the I'll. Ever since I was state game this weekend, it was only trumps seventh visit. I wear this here were NBC news reports that some of his supporters are getting a bit nervous about his campaign operation, including apparently don junior, feebly, the story taking his seat in no luxury box, with his casino magnet donor trumped stopped at a frat house. weight of the game and noted the crowds enthusiasts It is my turn out. I guess you like the? U flags. Trump the scientists who already visited more than half of the state's ninety nine counties drew. enthusiastic crowds, but did sit with popular Kim reynolds and claim that he's taken the state more seriously than trump and I'm glad you're. A lot of people say your show up on support. You that's the way you gotta do it. I went
once a campaign to be about the past or to be about candidates, issues we wanted to be about their future and the future of this country, and that's what I represent. I have to say I hadn't heard round his fantasy voice in a while and just hearing it now is like ooh. That's why he's losing by forty rating yeah that that's? Why there's so many people he's meeting coming around? Does dissenters have a point? There is trump taking iowa seriously enough, or is this just wish casting from the santas and I guess to a lesser extent, the media, both of whom want a closer race Look at the media want to closer arrays there's a lot away. They covering around the centres other than constantly ethnic lines over and over again can run sent to save his foundering campaign, but us through yeah. I think things wish casting with the kernel of truth. showing up does matter. Does it matter not to close a twenty three point deficit and less to mourn register Paul? I dunno a lot to do Yet, although I think I think gather peace, if it is, is it
tramping on island more, yes, I think it's a difference between seven visits, verses, eleven visits by this point something if that were so trump's only done twelve campaign events in iowa and five new hampshire. Forty two total, when you add up the whole country, I think his opponents are in the states a lot more often the early states at least rabbit. I'm talking about trump, this campaign versus the last when he lost iowa right, but the the that's a good point, but yeah well, but the with another. Bit of the point I was going to make is that the the it seems like there is more truth to the fact that it seems, like his staff, is probably pretty fucked terrible and you had nothing compared to the other campaigns having the on the ground. A source close to trump was reported to have heard Donald trump Jr on a call saying, like they really gotta get some adults in the room, the iowa staff.
is like amateur for trump. And now the idea when I haven't had any room you're going to say which, which are under the age of data that are doing cope with eight of them. Whenever terrible, I mean I could dissent as man despise come back yes, absolutely, but like they keep people can keenness obama. I will carcass comparison. Two thousand eight. I think it's silly one. We were never down by two to one to Hillary Clinton or John edwards. two obama, had something called a message that distinguish them from his opponents change and also I oppose the iraq war what do you think I was just like I represent. The future. Is the law as the good with the right messy our I hate disney more wherever it is, I mean it could happen, but the cynic in me read that story and wondered if this was trumps team, lowering expectations for themselves. speaking of lowering expectations. Did you see the story where two sentences camp is now saying that a strong second in iowa is could be good enough
I couldn't tell which camp was trying to lower expectations. Affectionately linked as it is, is calves going around saying. Oh look is that basically, a two person raise they'll be two tickets out of ireland will be one of them. It was like the quotas just great from their dissent as campaign operative, who asked to be room remain anonymous. was a good word for somebody outright us to send a strong second place, showing gives us an opportunity to go into new hampshire and show success and no one silly, the african union's games. So does that mean we did this all the time in two thousand seven and I we were not allowed to say about gonna win. I were busy one position yourself to just exceed expectations whatever that means in the expeditions are set by the press corps, but strong second place It is and then you're going to go to new Hampshire in like luz de chris Christie, and then you go to south carolina where trump's and what more than half the vote come on and then you're also potentially still facing nikki haley and tim Scott if they haven't dropped out. Yet I mean it's like what is ha, I mean I just one of the lessons of two thousand? Seventy has an eight is all this sort of narrow.
around the timing and the momentum fell by the wayside to the demographics in each state. As they came on romania and Javert, as you know, was unawed audio to talk in a donor saying like well. I was just a great state for us because its highly educated and super conservative and we think we're going to do good. We think we're going away and blah blah blah and that new Hampshire is a terrible state for trump you'll only get twenty eight per cent there, and suddenly he loses the first two states in it's alright man, you're getting a little ahead of yourself or a little wish, because Jeff Rowe, the the guy running, the super pac for dissenters, the other quote from the descent amd I saw, was on caucus night. Every republican caucus goer will have had the chance to meet the governor, in probably the first lady, at least once and that's a big advantage, Is that a good thing? It is a fact that we see the video formats, positive the guy I met around the sand as he insulted my kid for getting out yet wise. He will, but there's also saying is like oh so that so underneath the polls there's some strength that you can see but like how many points is that worth? Okay, let's say
Three or five is not twenty. Well, though, so, and you mentioned the DES moines register poll, which is obviously the gold standard, not only in iowa but like one of the best holes in the country, there wasn't a poll from iowa state on friday that came out just before they both are at the game trump. Fifty one de santis fourteen haley, and rama swami nine, so him so per per the. Maybe maybe you get a few points here and there at it like fifty one to forty. if that's anywhere in the ball park, You know- and I know everyone if he were on mine if people made a lot of like trumped, got some booze like, whilst also to college town with some college and it was at iowa- not I will stay right. I think it was. I was as it is an innate either way like those are more liberal towns. Yeah says they both gets a middle finger is, but like right there. You know this anderson trump, and I also like that. But there was a plain that flew over head with a bang, That said, where's millennia grenade for that who cares she doesn't like that's where she is, she doesn't like her husband, whose anyone surprise by that,
when I fail to pay for the all wheel? Maloney is not showing up at campaign events with them. We got him. It's like yeah guess what she fucking hates them. Yeah right, I don't think she'll like you either yeah there was where's. Are they? You ve got this big budget line on your job, like what ten grand on a plane to drag a message. You pick where's maloney innocent people with like there's two people with inflatable There were wearing inflatable trump and fao chee costumes, both with like mass on them because, like trump listen to faulty, I guess well they're out there. All hoping dissent is hoping that locked down to come back. The mass will come back, so he can make they'll campaign about his anti co view of them, with them. Bending over backwards is like prove. They tried to kill more elderly, unbelievable country, but it's just like it shows what they're like they're just grasping at straws the disaster he was like where's melania, let's get folks you and trump with,
asks a moment like I'm hearing from more more people. That my being here might be a reason to make me president. If there is The new york times story over the weekend with a headline. Only that really could have been written and twenty sixteen try. Resilience leaves anxious geo, p donors in despair and denial. It says, as he barrels toward the nomination. The reacting with a mix of hand, wringing calls to arms and fatalism seems like a potent mixer nea. I I really was ass. We I read the story before velvet many ties April, twenty twenty one trump lashes, his enemies anew as gb dances round his presence, a gathering republican leaders and top donors in florida this weekend is less a reset of priorities and more reminder of the tensions that Donald J, tromp instills and his party literally no one more useless than rich republican donors have units and democratic donor to put out a lot of you guys out now. Is that the only part of the story that was like fund, which is being just appreciating, that this was a?
worry about wringing among republican donors. You know we read the democratic one. So much I mean only one thing and highlights too is that these people are it's. It's pathetic that they're not doing anything with all of their money and influence, but they also just don't have the power that they used to, because grassroots fundraising is such a big deal now, both on the democratic side and the republican side. So it's like the grass, roots the base- just loves donald trump and if a bunch of rich assholes don't agree, it doesn't really matter at this point because they're all pulling different, actions and wonder why they're not moving get very alison gave ten million dollars tim scott super back to santas. Has a hundred million dollars super back Nicky early says she got a big fundraising pomp after the last debate in report, alleys becomes a donor favorite. That means Europe's splitting the vote still and like I was looking around as he is there, a big superpower running out against from somewhere that we just don't know about the club for growth said there spend a few million on an anti trump adds. The coat brothers american for prosperity announced the one point. Six eight million dollar add by their
someone's running adds against rubbing north carolina. For some reason, like nobody's doing some organize concerted effort to try to stop him and the reason as bill crystal says in the piece is he's that he was like. I think, alt cause. He told everyone all these donors and whatever at the beginning of the, you're, like they ve gotta all spend their money. Actually persuading republican voters not to vote for trumpets had it just like the throwing money at tim, Scott Nicky hitler. Whoever- and he says I don't think going to because ultimately, they tell themselves, they could live with them and its right take up your rich. Publican, donor, donor and trumps president lay be fine, be fine he's today that to David who can do another round attack that it becomes president's softened. The opposition is also by the way, a lot of money that just on the sidelines and even in peace there. Somebody in their saying I'm just waiting to see what happens these indictments one
somebody weakens him. Then I'm coming in with all my cash and it's just like okay and they're hungry. Then there are the hell young kin which, like give me a foot, you really think you look at you look at the republican base. You look at republican voters out there. You think that what they're looking for and they love donald trump, what they're really looking for is the guy in a fuck, invest, smiling and rich guy ridiculous? My favorite part, near times article was. It mentions that trumps super pack gotta one million dollars check from Charles Kushner Jared kushner's dat trump pardon. Him by the way, on the way out the door and finalizing the straighten. That piece of data is is mentioned. The fact that there is a pardon but the nation was broadly framed, as quote how some big donors have stuck with MR trump.
I know it s like I kick back. I saw read that long to dollar, like back. I've, never seen such tommy bait than this part of the story about from really gonna to heart and stop women. The pardon of jelly difference between that and how charred culture got into harvard is cushion are promised the harvard money in advance but maybe in this case too. I think it was tumult right, herded so Joe Biden did not get to enjoy any eye with above this weekend, the president took a quick trip around the world with stops at the g20 in india, a few meetings and events in vietnam and an event with you, a service members in alaska, to commemorate the nine eleven anniversary during his press conference in Hanoi, the president was a little bit punchy little bit, wonky an extremely Biden lifeless. good evening. Mr president, you will get the five you spargo just round the world, I can imagine it s evening, I'd like to remind you,
what was one line? Don't phrase polish knows nothing about about global warming anymore but I tell you what I know about you, but I'm gonna go to bed. Now I read the whole transcript. I watch some of the cliffs he held for For forty minutes he got right into the weeds on all these foreign policy issues and the fact that even even Joe Biden, critics like appear doozy from fox news had to admit The Joe Biden really put in a lot of time on that trip. He has been Finally, working all through the night equivalent of an all nighter eastern time, so he's probably pretty tired, pretty jet lagged so Dan, and I talked about the in age concerns on thursday. We don't have to rehash the whole thing here, but do you guys think the trips like these help with those concerns? Does the coverage of the trip even breakthrough
if the people already think so I mean just on the trip itself there. They are absolutely brutal. The time change to india is nine hours from washington at eleven hours to Hanoi's you're, basically, like he flipped a m p m and that's how you're living your life you work on the flight speeds nothing's ever done in time. Everybody wants. piece of Joe Biden times your scheduling meetings, you doing briefings about the meetings or its protocol of answer these leader dinners and that While press conference was at nine, thirty p m hanoi time? So, like you, reduce he's, not wrong work in art. The I do think that the way you tackle the age problem is the show you don't tell the foreign trips I'll tell the story. It's it's obvious that the administration believes that, because they've taken his ukraine, a train ride trip to kiev in may that the first campaign ad, I think, is pretty powerful and effective. whether or not people support this are underlying policy of arming the ukrainians over time is another question, but I think the challenge is. I looked for coverage of this trip and I turned to like bbc news. You know there is good print covers
in a lot of tv coverage, and I think the perils of campaigning in the internet age is that clip that we played about. You know I to go to bed at ten. Fifteen p m local time by the way is what gets pushed around social in a circulating the internet. To like you know, what's up for two sets back. Sometimes I do think like you know it was a good trip. You got latin yeah, you and Dan had good conversation about this, and but you also were talking about how some of the hardest people to reach are the young disaffected, not particularly political young people who Biden is going to need, and I can't think of a group of people less likely to see anything substantive or good out of the trip. and more likely to see thirty or forty seconds taken out of context. I first heard about that press conference because a friend of mine texted me the one minute excerpt that the gnp war room sent around, which wonder they put out with Does the dog pony soldiers and I then went and looked at it. and scraped, and then I have to say to them. There is nothing wrong with the actual I mean, there's things wrong:
on a joke, but not that he's too all that, but the challenge- and I think we just this- the do they are going to be doing to by non age what everyone else has into the santas on being an unlikable weirdo, which is he can do an hour- that's fantastic everyone's going to push around this one minute you do have to show and not tell in a defensive way. We have to just have Biden out there being Biden. Every point you made last week was to meet right, but there is no version of that for on the left about trump there's plenty, as you pointed out about trump being korea. There is no operation, there's nothing, that's just finding those moments of donald trump seeming, really fuckin old and its success. the world, we live in it sucks it. That's the way this this election is gonna play out, but but we need to see clips of trump
meaning as old as he is, which is a far less healthy version, then draw Biden. I I think I said this. You guys by was on vacation, are set to someone, but when I watch the tucker trump interview after the republican debate, has someone should it? forget about. I I realize there's a lot of important ads that we need to create that are about message and policy and what the republicans are gonna do what trump's going to do all that right. There is also space for, like a thirty second cut, from talking about the mosquito killing thirty five thousand people and saw the panama canal recent fucking nuts that would be funded I send around like what we'd we actually not doing that as much now. As any of you go, look in this there's a lot of, I think democratic apparatus, refining the worst moments of haley and trump and Chris Christie and putting those out but to our detriment, they're just about how they hurt the country and you such a bad job on policy and and and really on the substance great covered. We gotta make him like a conscious, be old versus crazy. It has to be old, verses, old and crazy.
and and they're just needs to be more of that, and we too collectively stop handling all the time we gotta stop asking why? What they talk about the fact that donald trump is all too we ve done that now we have to go out there and b b, part of hell to drive. That shown, I tell just like tommy zodiac island, but yet on the trump side to yeah. I think taken as a servant, abstract question that can you? If you are convinced that a candidate to old, can you be unconvinced of that No, you know what I mean. I think that might be a decision you make and it sort of hardens. I do think you're right, though, when it becomes a choice between Joe Biden, who, like is a good person, doing good things. Maybe you feel like he's just It's going to be too old by the end of his second term, and that worries you, but donald trump seems crazy, unlike if you look it, I think John Oliver used to do transcripts of trump answers and then have a
normal person read them in a normal voice, fun in that's when you really realise, like how're out of just and completely insane gibberish, but languages. There also speaks to trumps, energy and charisma and like that is what is hurrying him through and just the fact that we're a bit inured to it and the reality is that Joe Biden ah he's not as fast as he used to be he's not as loud as he used to be. Those things are just real and it just we had a can't just be. It has to be war of the grandpas yet would grandpa versus evil grandpa. I will say that I was looking at that. which as well and I I know that the white house, press team is just like furious over the coverage of the press conference, and I think they have a right to be with a lot of it, because when you were, I I The same thing I was just like I'm just a just a news: consumer googling about the press conference see what happens and what you got was
the Joe Biden saying he wants to go to bed the lying, which is why we play that by the way, not because we were trying to add to it for for this discussion, the dog face pony thing and then to Biden's credit, the Opening line about. Oh these five day, trips around the world are no problem, and I do think because he's always going to gaffe, he's always going to do bindings. They're always going to be able to take things out of context to make him seem old right. That's just that's baked in. If he's able to joke a bunch if he's able to give people more interesting material that is positive is put. You can't just be like totally on me. Since the whole time and just talking about details and big, If you only do that, that's never gonna covered in the gas gonna be the coverage right. You got a sort of give immaterial, whether it's a joke or whether it's him for in, like you did during the state of the union, and really like taken it to republicans like that, you know you got it. You should have given some to cover yes, but I like on take talk
There are so much in Joe Biden's old floating around on the side of it, but just need the others have it need. We need people I make fun of millennials to make fun of donald trump to just we've got to get some of that in there yeah. I did. I watched little brussels, I mean the questions were olic. It was like four to five or, like you know, fastballs about the. U S, china relationship, it wasn't wasn't easy stuff and he handled it very definitely. The the dog taste pony soldier thing is, like god, help me when I'm reaching for a cultural reference point. When I made a re like it just a movie, he walked that no one else knows that fucking dogma and I will also say I was in raptors- checking the fences till one he's innocent if I'd its or another, they need- well in that press conference is like having read the frank for broken and interviewed him last week, like obama enemies polish press conferences could get like really really walkie Biden. Knowing that he's always try to figure out, even with foreign policy like how can I make this easily accessible for the average american right and not sound like I'm using all these
and you can see him doing- that with a complicated issue like the united states relationship with china like, on the fly in the middle of a press conference when you haven't slept for ten hours, knowing if courses there. Like it was. It was only out when you watch that, even if the opposite of the transfer problem- Joe Biden scene, older. You look at what he sang. He is able to walk through the interests of policy in a way that Donald trump or could on his best day when I look at people from his bed coursing through his veins, allegedly when there is evidence that tommy in terms of policy or diplomatic goals, mostly ministries and try to get out of this trip in. And what do you think they are It was always the g twenty and then this visit to hanoi to vietnam. So he has remembered the g twenty was. It is still as the premier forum for economic cooperation globally for the biggest economies
the world in two thousand and nine. It was a super important venue for dealing with the financial crisis. It was lots of obama fighting with the germans, overspending, vs austerity right. They kind of went into this, wanting to prove that the g, twenty still matters that can get stuff done. That was harder this time, because chinese president XI jinping did not show. He sent. His deputy sets will a little onward, but they so got some things done. They did a lot of stuff, to improve the way multilateral development banks work like the world bank. That wallow again not probably make the news in the? U s, but is really important if you're, a low income country or middle income country or in the global south there If there was a joint statement on ukraine that the ukrainians felt like didn't do enough, but still the white us would say it was an important statement from the g twenty countries, so I think that these forums are very important like it. When you think about this, the
What sixty years of EU us relationship of vietnam biden going there and having the? U S, vietnam, relationship, elevated to this He level and in the eyes of the vietnamese government, is a big deal in. It just shows what a difference. Thirty. Forty fifty years can make they got, a leaden is important event and in its, but still I put some pressure on china to or not not china is the backdrop of the whole thing it out. The whole idea is too, you know reassure allies in the region that I going to be there. There were a pacific power and that the chinese aren't going to steamroll them and I think they they accomplish, then to see that and some republicans already attacking Biden from commemorating nine eleven by being in alaska with not attacking yeah. They were on fox news, saying like it's just a stop in alaska with some with some troops. That's not how you that's! That's not how you commemorate nine eleven o you invade their own country, you now just ridiculous
I think anyone our age I visited the horrifying day and someday you'll be suited to our memory. We should all probably remember that nine eleven at the centre of our politics, let us to do a lot of really terrible things. make a lot of bad decisions of less twenty years and may be commemorating it's not at ground zero or in the pentagon or Shanksville is a good thing. Yeah, alright, back in washington, congress has finally returned with just nineteen days until the government runs out of funding and even people close to Kevin Mccarthy, say they're doubtful. The speaker will be able to have to shut down and still keep his job. The mega hardliners or demanding some combination of a border crackdown. Cutting off support for ukraine to funding the department of justice is trump prosecutions in impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden Of course, the white house and the senate would never agree to any that, but if Mccarthy decides to cut by person deal with democrats to fund the government, hardliners are threatening emotion to vacate the could oust him as speaker guys. Can you way out for Kevin. Here was one way: effort
and but the the resigning. I was how's calving ago this mess. You know he doesn't have Indeed, as it need it? Doesn't system does needed to function anymore? You know there. There is a period of time during that endless fight for him to become speaker was like to someone else have to do it how is it really can be able to eat this out? It exists, and then we went through that that debt default fight, and there is a lot of similar- everything's on the table. Cavern will lose the speakership if he doesn't go along with us, and then we end up with a vote where it's he still still more democrats and republicans vote was one hundred and sixty five democrats, one hundred and fifty republicans in the house, one hundred fifty to seventy something which tells you what the actual appetite inside the republican caucus is as mad at maxim. for a fight, that's about ousting Kevin Mccarthy over this, but just because the group of people pursuing this.
I don't have majority, they do have enough people, because all fucking may him yeah. And they all want different things. I mean. I think this could be a really rough ride for him for the country, for anyone who wants the government to function and remain open, but I keep coming back to what's the alternative to Mccarthy who's running against him. Who's going to put there put their hand up and say: ok I'll, compete with you and yeah it it until that happens, I mean entirely sure where the threat is coming from yeah, so he he doesn't have many votes to spare a hickey's down for votes because of absences peloton family we held the family and then there's a fifth where Chris Stewart, I think, is resigning for something so he doesn't really have any votes despair. He would have to basically, get all the republicans on board that he has, which is going to be really tough for anything that the hardliners want. So therefore it looks like he would have to cut a deal with the Democrats in any deal he cut with the Democrats is really going to piss off the hardliners so now they're threatening
motion to vacate, but but a couple of the mccarthy allies were, I think they were telling political like fine. I want to do the motion to vacate they can, but there's a bunch of them that will vote for mccarthy for speaker as many times as it takes right. So it would like lead to chaos, but The only thing I believe I can see is, like republicans tommy, you haven't, you said it was unclear all the different things they wanted and I think that's part of their problem if they could brown to pick like one thing that they're all demanding like if they could all if, if they all got together and said, alright forget about the impeachment stuff forget about the d o j defunding. It's just about border security regulator, crackdown on the border, that's something we can get all the republicans the house on board with will pass that bill will jam republicans in democrats in the senate, will jam the white house and then bacon be vague and say I let the government shut down over, like you know, with what else is wanting and over
water. Re like that. You could maybe imagine that, but I don't think he. I don't even think he can get all the republicans at the house around that you need all of them, go up and that's what happened with the debt ceiling. I the yes. So it is what happens detailing and now they're pissed, because they think the debt ceiling was a portrayal which is. I were, and it s in this by an part of what they want to do, is use their leverage now to renegotiate that d, and be and no longer be on the spending levels of that deal. They want one hundred and twenty billion dollars more in cuts than Biden and mccarthy great, and so it's crate, so it doesn't seem like there's any like we are. will shut down or there will be something that can pass bipartisan way. In the senate and in a bipartisan way the house cause. It doesn't seem like anything that can pass with all republican votes that you need has any chance of how Helen passing in the senate, and so then, like you, look at the list and it is mix of normal and abnormal politics. The part that's like,
in normal in this day and age right, which is the border stuff right there is. Do. Biden has requested a bunch of money for disaster aid and for the border republicans say it's too much on processing, not enough on border security that just political, that's a political fight, you can have. No, that is not going to be impeachment for government funding. I dont think that is going to happen. The question I have is ok. Mccarthy got through this once they said they would ask him if he ever did anything like this, then he did it and he got through at Kennedy through it again I mean that's a theistic idea, democrats, but I mean it does raise the question who who mccarthy, but I think you at least go through something where someone all it takes, is one asshole to trigger the motion to vacate and then now they're voting and and and the other, the other part of it, too, is like some of this is like that. The debt ceiling fight was a fear despite this fight, is the fear of the next five? What republicans in the house have said for very long time- and actually, I think, fairly- is hey the wave and The government is ridiculous. We ve been doing these giant bills
if we say no to because we too want to fund the state department ross enough money, the pentagon, what have you, the senate and the house of both now and doing individual appropriation bills, which is something that hasn't happened for real on time and what their Worried about is if they go along with another resolution that keeps that that looks by partisan that are ganged up in another situation, where they're jammed again for another big spending bill. So it's like how can Mccarthy make another set of crazy promised to kick the can down the road one more time, and you know what assholes you are going to get jammed again and again and again, because you only control one house: of congress and you dont control the presidency assholes, and that twenty two causing this don't even do that right of its and by the way in there in the in the senate, the Democrats and republicans have been steadily producing bills together, to fund the government in a way that the public can claim they want centre. Republicans dont want the shutdown know how they are. I might also support. They support the disaster relief money they a horse is one where ukraine of kurdish Mcconnell is like a stalwart
defender of ukraine. He wants to be part of his legacy, which will probably not be much longer and elected office. He really wants to get through this another, what at twenty four billion dollars in funding for the? U s ever because he knows that might be the last monday that goes through, which is why, again, I will look to the border stuff. the only possible area of some kind of movement on this, because I think that the impeachment stuff that defending dio j in Ukraine's duffer just like that debt on arrival to happen- I admit I love of uninvited I just love. I just like it's just a little bit of normal politics, because if you look like some of these, even like these, like these far right wingers, they keep saying that keep they throughout all these these threats and everything on the table, then they say we won't do a clean, see are right. Well, valleys. Out of room underneath for a lot of things that would make it not a clean cr, which is something I don't ya. I was alive. I think that by the way, Biden and the Democrats are in a great position or a guy heading into this fight too, because it's like it's going to look like republican chaos.
You're gonna have a no doubt between Mcconnell and Dorothy, the house and senate republicans are gonna campaign going on where these guys want to make it about Joe Biden and instead he's going to be make it about crazy republicans who are trying to shut down the government over. They don't even know yeah- that the like both like Mcconnell and soon have like refer to this problem We don't have a mass, they have a mess, they don't say we ah, which is which tells you something in the white house's lifting up very popular parts of the spending like money to deal with the effects the crisis yeah. You want I'm going to shut down the government over this. This is your priority right and by the way, a lot of house like. I think that the republican party is changing on questions about like whether we should support our like ukraine, but a lot of those republican politicians have been voted out by that they're they're still of a size of my way I don't know what the exact number would be but allow those has republicans wanna support ukraine too, and they in this fight. I think more money for ukraine is probably far more popular among members of congress of both parties than the broader electorate, yet which you know could be a down the road problem for right now. I feel
at about one last item before he gets a lovitz Larry tribe interview. I briefly mentioned this on thursday, but republicans in the wisconsin legislature are threatening to impeach newly elected state supreme court justice, janet pro to say, what's stolen, I have to say that it'd be both both we bailed it. We both on our separate pods, set it and then took a little moment to say, look what we did. So it took a long time. We went to wisconsin for days to figure that out gotta, be you gotta, be a pro to say: what's, okay if they want to have the heat just as janet, unless she recused herself from any cases involving gerrymandering, because she accurately pointed out during the campaign that the maps are rigged for republicans, actually the most rigged maps anywhere in the country and because the maps are rigged for begins. They have a super majority with which to impeach the new justice. If she is convicted democratic governor, Tony avers could appoint her replacement. So the plan is for the general assembly to impeach her and then for the senate to do nothing which will
leave her in limbo, unable to hear any cases are ruined anything and thus would leave the court split three three. So there would be no majority on the supreme court and the republican legislature. We just do whatever the fuck. It wanted very normal thing to happen and democracy her wisconsin was a foreign country. The state department would be putting out a press release like attacking their democracy and saying the elections are a sham, and what's going on here I mean it is wild. What is going on, I remember when we were in, we were in wisconsin like the knocked on doors and an answer in that final run and ban with who is always got his hat on as well you know I be like yo he's, but eating kevin playing chess, but he's always two behind button, but bandwidth now my now. The next fight is gonna be over this and he was right because he saw this coming year end just so.
I've been out there like our well it's because she talked about this in her campaign. First of all, the actual rules that republicans have sat in wisconsin says: like it doesn't matter. If you say anything during the campaign about it. Issue. If you're running for judge that's only true wisconsin there was a supreme court opinion written in a majority opinion the? U s, supreme court written in two thousand and two by antonyms scalia. That said, when there are judicial elections, you can't force a judge to refuse themselves for anything that they sat or a political belief that they stated during the campaign, because it's an election
for judge and that's what happens. There's never been an impeachment in the history of wisconsin there's. One judge who has been impeached for taking bribes was later acquitted in the senate and the senate. I was like eighteen. Fifty three no judge has ever been impeached in wisconsin for anything else, and no judge has ever been impeached in the entire country before they ever heard a case ever issued a ruling or for any of their political beliefs, and we know this, of course, because we have Nine supreme court justice is six of whom have been very clear about their beliefs. Nanda can't refusal, hypocrisy is so going so the chief, justice in wisconsin, became the first sitting supreme court justice in the states history to be reprimanded by our colleagues for not refusing from a case, and is it turkish judge. She presided over eleven cases involving a bank for which her husband was a board member. That's incredible! The repulse since led by by robin vos. The speaker of the wisconsin state assembly are the ones who changed campaign finance rules to allow political parties to make a living
donations to these states supreme court. So the reason money is such an issue in these states. Banquet races because of the current republican leadership in the state Two of the three conservatives on the court have gotten financial support from the republican party, neither accused themselves from the redistricting case. It established the least chance. Standard this horrible map, the most gerrymandered map in the country, according to a lot of experts, is in wisconsin one conservative justice on the court right now in wisconsin has compared abortion to the cost and another one has accused plant paranoid of being a wicked organization that kills babies neither have accused themselves from any of the abortion cases that have caught your kid. I'm court believe it that unbelievable here? So, let's our what's what's happening here so ban Learn. The democratic party have launched website, defend justice, dot com- you mentioned this on thursday and they are trying to get a pressure campaign going so that people can
call, your legislators to find out where they stand. They already had one defection republican in the in the general assembly who has already said. I dont think I want to do this and I think it's fair to impeach justice before for not doing it, I think, literally literally, and so they got one and they're, trying to build as much pressure as possible. It seems like the republics of the state senate. Do not really want this to happen. And the majority leader in the state senate was on record to a reporter. A couple of weeks ago, saying quote: impeachment shouldn't be used as a tool to overturn elections, acknowledging that that's what this would be now that's a mature leader has been like a couple of weeks later is like well, we do have a judge that has that has openly said the maps are rigged, so we have to do What about that rights? Are changes changes to in a little bit, but this thing is not over by any means and republicans it were like going to go forward and pete
I meant as of last week, and they just now they're keep putting it off and putting it off, and I think because the blowback is so severe. But that means like go to defend justice dot com. If you're in wisconsin, you can all your legislators and if you know friends and was concerned- or you just want to help you can you can help that way too by going on the website, and so just so, people know like what happens here if she is impeached and then the Senate does not take it up and she's in this limbo van one thing that could happen is that just as per se, which could resign and then tony even the government democratic governor could appoint her replacement if that friends before JANET predecessor, though mustache. If that happens, and that happens before December first then that new justice would have to run in a special election in April of twenty twenty four on the same day as the wisconsin republican prime, which is for battle which witches
The fraternity returned at rosie's budget, for which it seems like what their their play was, and if he nominates someone after December first to take over, then they would get the they would be in the seat until for like a couple of years, but it's a or he can appoint. Somebody Then they resign. I mean issues lizzie thither. They were they were there. Play games Tony blair's? He likes it here. if there is to play games, hid his ears and so do that where he crossed out all the letters. Here's why it's so important to me it's important and for with confidence important for gerrymandered maps, it's important for the abortion cases that they might hear, but if they get away with this, they impeach a justice over absolutely nothing imagined. Twenty twenty four rolls around and it's the close election in wisconsin between Biden trump in the assembly decides in instead of just leaving it a three. Three limbo. Let's else impeach another justice just because we can't they all they will take it to the extreme. Did you guys know
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although he is thirty, five, actually a good bit over an hour, though a natural born citizen and meets those qualifications is one he does not meet, and it's quite explicit in the fourteenth amendment. One of the qualifications is that you, not engage in or give aid in comfort to an end reckon against the constitution of the united states. After taking an oath of office to uphold it. That's something that's been in our constitution since after the civil war- and it's been there as a protective measure, quite apart from criminal the commission's or civil suits. It basically says whatever happened to punish you. If you take an oath to uphold the constitution and then basically commit treason against it, we can't trust you to hold office again. a very dramatic remedy and it hasn't been used, undermine
Can president before, because no american president has done with this, one seems you have done than it's going to be up to the courts of colorado. the main lawsuit, has been filed to determine in the first instance whether He is guilty of insurrection and whether if he is that's what the fourteenth amendment tells us must know, happen, namely can't beyond the ballot. It'll, go all the way up to the supreme court, where the final word will be that of a very conservative court and we'll just have to say so obvious. It has been used in the case of a president before, but other then really after the civil war? Has this argument been invoked, as has been used to ever, keep someone from the ballot? Yes, it's been invoked several times in modern times the most important probably was that of a county commissioner in minnesota, not a very high office. But
he was actually arrested for trespass nodded correction, but trespass on the capital, and he removed from office. They didn't care. in time and actually when he took the oath yet committed insurrection, but he was discussed five. He was removed from office and ass. He was removed and then he lost his attempt to be elected again The whole thing became move I have been no major cases other than that there was one involving madison Catherine. You may remember the garden yeah. He was effectively challenged on the basis of of this law, a district court in his state, district court ruled for him on the bizarre ground there Congress in eighteen seventy two by a mere stew,
jude had gotten rid of this part of the constitution. That was a crazy ground. The fourth circuit said that can't happen. It didn't happen, but that too became move when he lost his election did. But, apart from those relatively minor incidents. It hasn't been invoked, it's still a living part of the living constitution, so donald trump hasn't been convicted of any crimes. As of this recording, he also hasn't been charged with the insurrection, a rebellion or reason or anything like that, you and your and judge living so that you don't need a conviction that asia separate matter, because this is self executing. Ah, what does that mean? Who decides that? You know it's easy to tell one someone's thirty five years old or not it's hard to tell when
you know when, when being exactly engage in an insurrection or even what the insurrection is. Who makes that kind of a judgment? Call it The charter is not a simple mechanical thing. That's what makes this an interesting, a difficult lawsuit in the first. Instance, as colorado, voters who have standing in colorado too soon protection of state to tell her to do her job in the first instance posted aside and if she won't the state court in which it has filed in colorado, behold a hearing and it will render decision and that will be appealed, the rest and it doesn't matter whether he has been criminally charged with insurrection. Much less convicted is that this deliberately put in the constitution time when we couldn't trust the chief executive and the justice department to charge people Andrew Johnson, who was basically
confederate had become president after guns assassination. He was gonna have people prosecuted in the confederacy. In fact he pardon the ones who have been convicted, People who wrote the fourteenth amendment there deliberately in history is clear: they ve I deliberately said we can rely on the executive branch in its prosecutions when it comes to disqualifying people from office who have taken an oath and then turn tail on the constitution and basically waged war on it. Does matter whether their indicted? This isn't a punishment. It simply like saying, if you ve had two bites at the apple to wines as didn't you can't run a third time? You know, I think you work for Barack Obama. Very popular president is the Democrats.
Decided. The Joe Biden was a little too old and they wanted to put obama forth on the primary would be a relatively easy matter to say is not eligible. This is not so easy, but listen. Easy me doesn't mean it shouldn't be friendly down. We ve got to enforce the constant european, a lot of parts of the constitution are a little blurry the meaning of liberty, equality, privacy, equal protection. This is a bit like that. Although we for you draw the line of insurrection. If this. was not an insurrection enough trop didn't leave it then what is or who would be, a leader of an insurrection. What does your mind? Is the insurrection? Is the insurrection what happen, at the capital on January. Six is it the effort to do fake electors if there had been more purely on january, six and people weren't able to get into the capital, would you still believe Donald trump had engaged in an insurrection?
but real slightly harder case because in action usually means force and violence. here the insurrection was the whole plan from the beginning to the end, fake electors, pressure on reference, burger pressure on the vice president, the gallows that threatened him and then, if you given the mob that almost got to amend, threatened as life that whole course of conduct. Was an insurrection against the constitution of the united states, its high draw lies. Maybe if it had been a much less elaborate plan. Maybe if it hadn't included, attempt some devoted to kill device. president and pressure on him. Maybe It would have fallen short of an insurrection, but However, the line is the argument that is going to be considered by the of colorado is this
falls on the insurrection side of that line. I guess recently asked that is because look you can someone is thirty five or they're, not thirty, five, and that could be under dispute. But its added sought, a subjective question there's somebody was a member of the confederacy, not you know that that could be disputed, but this was written to address the civil war, Well, I'm not a I'm, not a. I took the outset that was the end of my legal career, but it does seem to me that, like in a democracy, one thing we try to practice right as forbearance right. This idea that you know this is a subjective call. This is a difficult question and when in doubt we ought to defer to the democracy itself that people of good faith can disagree on this question, and so why not leave it up to the voters rather than to partisan secretaries of state or judges, who are unaccountable to the voters to make this kind of a decision. That was one of the arguments that people made, who didn't want section three to be in the constitution,
They basically saying you know it wasn't, might be opposed call, although this one doesnt seem close. Why not? leave it to the voters. And the answer was the voters entitled in a democracy to have them. Rule of law prevail and they are entitled to have only those who are eligible, and the answer that was given was that if the power views we have to build in a safe garden. They did at the very end of this provisional a solution? They said Someone is basically railroaded out of out of contention without sufficient reason. On the basis of to lucy goosey a definition of insurrection. Then, if you get a two thirds vote of both houses, you can lift the disqualification Maybe that wasn't written the way it should have been, but there are a lot of parts of the cost,
lucian? I can name suddenly electoral college to senators first state regardless of its size- maybe the second amendment, but don't make a lot of sense today but that doesn't mean we just a race them. A democracy requires the rule of law, and that means applying the constitution even when it's not convenient and the argument that it's not denmark eric to abide by the rule of law, really assumes that democracy is majority no matter what, but it isn't, would have a of safeguards guard rails against just allowing someone, because they are popular to automatically succeed the presidency, how popular. They are, and you know the framers predicted there might be some one who would come into power who would be soap, charismatic and yet so ready for power, but they would turn over democracy into a dictatorship. Donald trump made
the guy they had in mind, and this is the safeguard they wrote in the place, we'll have to see whether the supreme court takes it as seriously as looting and I think it should be taken, but we can't just erase it because it's inconvenient or because it doesnt accord with the common sense way of doing things. The exact, texas about those who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the the country or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. There are republicans who say that the obama administration eighty aid and enemies through the around deal or that the binding. illustration gave aiding comfort to our enemy when it left Afghanistan. During a republican secretary of state, it who sincerely believes those statements is on firmly. Legal ground to remove Joe Biden name from the ballot o the risk is that those are not insurrections against the constitution of the united states. They made
the policy decisions that one can disagree with, but I think it's very clear that if someone tried to leave Joe Biden's name off the ballot on that basis, but the u s supreme court, wouldn't agree and and eighty then I think even two thirds of the current congress would regard that as an abuse of power. But the fact that a power in the constitution, can be abused, which is something that people say about the impeachment power and almost everything else. The indictment power can be abused, doesn't mean that get rid of the rule of law and simply you take up the national electoral whenever we have a difficult decision to make. We have rules Among those rules is, is this disqualification rule rabid? Obviously this is novel right like you, you you had give introduced this in a
peace that became news because it was too many people are completely novel theory. Look you recognizes a lot of people that disagree with this point of view that see this is anti democratic. That see. This is like a slippery slope towards people trying to use the legal system to prevent their opponents from being on the ballot that aren't just you know: trump trumpeter Magda people, with a genuine disagreement and a genuine fear about what this would do. This introduces, yet another way in which people can abuse their office in use. Their subject if judgment, to try to undermine democracy, and given that we have a six three conservative supreme court, which is, it seems too and I want to get in- and I want to make a prediction: you're you're, a lawyer, I'm just a under the schmuck unlikely to decide that republicans can vote for donald trump that it. This will only result
in simply a new way for republicans to make trouble without getting to the result that you think is so important to protect our democracy or, first of all, if I thought we could prevent republicans from making trouble we ve been gauzy or with the impending impeachment, over Joe Biden, by disregarding the constitution. Then I really don't belong in the business of constitutional law. I think, if you appease people in order to went them from making trouble you're. Well on the way towards chaos. We can't decide selectively which parts of the constitution might make too much trouble. If you ask me to put it on my gamblers heart I dont like gambling. I wouldn't gamble with the current: u s supreme court, would she gonna drop off about pretty unlikely, but when the vapor trail of these times is
written in the book of history. I wanted to show that there were people who took the hall constitution seriously, even if the result might not be the one they would like politically, and I think that we cannot simply refuse is to let the voters of colorado in accord with the law of colorado. bring a lawsuit to keep an ill eligible person off the ballot. They're, just using their rights as voters in colorado. If they dont succeed, they will at least have tried, and I think that of the whole crisis we face not going to succeed. We will at least drawdown try and I don't want to abandon the constitution in the course of that enterprise given
it is. This is so unlikely to succeed. I just worry that we are giving fodder to the people that believe all these legal efforts. All these legal endeavours. Ah the criminal cases, the civil cases that all of them are about damaging donald trump politically when this to you is about upholding the rule of law, but it is so explicitly about using the law to stop donald trump from ever being able to go in front of the electorate again, but it off we lose. Those, but it seems to me that the alternate It is a kind of appeasement. The idea, that weapon. as the law for political purposes is terrible, is hardly square. The idea that the guy who is running on a programme of revenge saying that if he becomes press, He'll go after all of his enemies. That's his programme, its programme of retribution. He says I am your retribution and he says I will
suspend the constitution. I will basically terminate the constitution if that's weaken front, to tell us, we shouldn't use the constitution for all its worth to disqualify someone on the basis of his having engaged, An insurrection seems to me to be pretty one sided game. I think we cannot afford to say well, let's all getting along, let's be peaceful. Let's be undivided we're. Not gonna have unity by by appeasement would run after school with the rule of law and hope that in the end we emerge a more unified country. In the meantime, this credit division and act whichever way we go, what is the strongest legal argument against invoking the insurrection
I suppose the strongest legal argument is a very technical one, which I don't buy it all its one, the former turn a general pasty made and the wall street journal made, and that is that for strange grammatical reasons. The presidency is not an office, that's crazy, but it is legally stronger than some of the other. Like the arguments that this provision expire somehow, because it was all about the civil war. It's not a strong argument, but, as I say, the presidency is described as an office nine times in the article defined the presidential power. Honestly, I don't think there are any strong legal arguments. There may be strong, factual arguments. It may well be that donald trumps,
personal engagement in the whole plot to overturn the election was sufficiently unclear that he is not, as suppose you would say, not by a preponderance of the evidence. Guilty of engaging in an insurrection. That's a factual, not a legal argument will have to be tried out in the courts if there is any really strong legal argument, there's a strong political argument, but this is a very scary part of the constitution. But that's not an argument that I can credit a sufficient professor larry time. Thank you so much more time you drawn, but they mark, has brought you zip recruiter. Did you know
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if need be worded in an eternal flame, it'd probably gentlemen, last week, Oklahoma announced a partnership with Prager. You have irving educational videos from Prager. U kids, to use as part of a classroom curriculum in the state's public schools. This comes after florida made the same announcement. Basically in august, what's prager? U, you might ask. Well, unfortunately, it's a right wing media outlet, founded by conservative, talk, show host Dennis Prager it. What is there a goal? Well, oh I'll, leave it to oklahoma superintend of public instruction rhine walter's, the sum it up when he said in the announcement. Prager, you is challenging the less domination of academia of education, and this is what has to happen. It is of the utmost importance that were able to correct this left is bent of history, get that radicalism out and go back to teach a true history to our kids or, as I would put it
The so, as you can imagine, the kind of library is available line. You can check You know it's gonna, be there its climate change, denialism, a historical history, lessons and servant. Overall curing of history to focus on the head. ro of white christian, the way christian headset and I d urging the innate evil of weakness, which for us is sort of just one We would have learnt a normal history class in the nineties faith. There's a big thumbs down that. So I thought what better way to highlight the dissolution of the american educate some who gave I'm calling breaker vow, forgets german. I'm worried to quotes from Prager you for kids videos, when there is a real quote from a real video, the other when a superb facsimile created by yours. Truly, we help from Fiona reed, also shout to media matters and whatever
poor bastard over there had to watch all these videos because they have an excellent breakdown. Dear reader check out media matters. If you want to look at that again, It will destroy you. Let's begin him. Ok, so one of these, where these two is real, one is fake right. Raise your idea of being a wife or mother and Elias I have to stay at home to raise your children. This, of course, is from the video how to embrace your femininity, the other one as you grow up, you'll find hair in strange places. Your voice will deepen and you will take your rightful place as the head of your household, with your wife as your helpmate and that, of course, from how to embrace your masculinity. I I know the answer cause. I because I'm a freak I've seen that one I've seen one of them. You can go. Ask of, I think, the fake one is the ah I'm going to say the,
women, anyone because it's okay, I'm going to say, hair in strange places- is fake, which I think is the masculinity one okay great and having seen this, they really want to. They want to teach the femininity that unity is vague, right eye out and we'll just to recoup their nobody by their their fortunes of these problems. that is, of course the the joke of this, isn't foggy? No, it's terrifying under the next one, renewable energy sources. Don't contribute that much energy, unlike coal or fossil fuels, energy from wind or sun, is unreliable, expensive and difficult to store. That, of course, is from the video, poland, colon unused energy crisis and the next one, while some rush to say humans are causing this extreme weather. The truth is flooding is a historical event dating back to biblical times, and simply part of the earth's natural cycle as a core from germany, poland hans rainy day, dilemma jello, which of these out and about how big the germany one
I grew up on your right to say that I am unable to go rainy day. Dilemma was too funny you finding that doesn't really the dilemma. I wasn't majority is a true stone answer: fluttering, convincing five rallies I waited on. It is our good idea to show this. My kids said if they got a point that can appoint in one prager you of her kids video, the narrative criticizes rosa parks for quote grandstanding during the monk robust boycott now conclude in the end parks is able to work with her white neighbours to resolve their differences over bus eating.
It's and then another video, the narrator, describes george floyd as a black man who resisted arrest and claims the accusations of racial targeting level by protests against police were false. I mean rosa parks could be the fake one or, I kind of think the rosa parks. One is real love it I do did where did where grandstanding come from the grandstanding is in quotes. I I'm I. I can't believe I can't believe
what you're saying, but ok, I think that the short, I think that rosa parkland is vague. Yet the george slogan is right in its from a video call, los angeles horrible, but the videos call at los Angeles cod matteo backs the blue, and it's like. Oh no of all of these, you others each. You about your kids right. It is not, of course, george without fossil fuels, humanity never never wouldn't created. So many wonderful things like jet fuel asphalt and heating oil does, of course, some leland lay love meet the dinosaurs, and I never thought about how plastic makes modern life easier. I've only ever heard about the negatives of plastic that, as from LEO and leyla, meet LEO bake Lynde, who is the belgian chemist who is known as a father of the poor six industry, I think here's, my, I think the dinosaur one is fake because I dont think they want to say that dinosaurs are old enough to become oh, you Oh
at those dinosaurs, Israel. I agree with lebanon that one I think you're twist emerson they're, both real and the good guess of the real one is Leila leila meet LEO bake Lind, who is the belgian chemist who is known as the father? I said they won't also. They probably like have money from big plastic. Yes for big dinos not coming up when we need them now, don't you, I don't believe in dinosaur bones, please believe in plastics. And finally, our final to our founding fathers knew that slavery was evil and wrong and they knew would do terrible harm to the nation they wanted to end, but their first priority was getting all thirteen colonies to is one country. The founding fathers made a compromise to achieve something great that is from LEO and Layla's history, adventures with frederick douglass and, of course, pay your employees too much and your business will fail from lack of profit, pay them too little and you'll also fail, because your employees will leave it's the invisible hand that will lead you to the right decision when done right, everybody wins with capitalism that is from LEO and Layla's
history adventures with Adam smith. So I know they have. I know Prager, you has a video with four with frederick douglass, in which Basically like america, imperfect but awesome? Ah, so that's why I think that's the real one. I think that's through into They are, of course, both real enters the to visit you early to visit. You are real, quick for all of you guess how many views on youtube. Prager use account a total of the account totals, August, two thousand and nine she has and nine no one hundred million yeah I'll, say two hundred million three hundred million. one point: seven, eight billion- that's no good or areas are making some content for kids That's a lie that let's get it in the back, the Blooey patrol, but with some criticism salient crimson down.
Thank you for letting me come on here and bomb you out. We have where did you did indeed innovation area? Where I just the other thing about this is like finally away for schools to really DR, by showing kids videos, oh yeah, miss way. Teachers who have given up make the class time go away. You know all you have to take their does diving be hiring teachers, it's just gotta, be those videos castro, they fired all the t know I gave them and it would genius is just chat on mars. Is Chad jpg welcoming the kids, anyone in the prager? U that one of the little robot dogs comes out and presses the person anymore. Thank you. How leaky for thank you for having me thank you to lawrence tribe, and we will talk to you soon by everyone,
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