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republican, primary has begun, and it already feels like twenty fifteen again donald trump. The twice impeach loser of the twenty election, whose under investigation for multiple crimes that include an attempted who, in a violent insurrection, kicked off his third presidential it over the weekend with a pie small, low energy events in new Hampshire in south carolina where he announced endorsements, talked about its potential rivals and played the hits during his hour, long rambling speeches, the president who is ready to hit the ground running on day one- and I have boy in- I may grant they said- he's not doing rallies- he's not campaigning babies, it's that step by we didn't I'm more angry now and I'm more committed now than I ever was gonna have a lot of competition too. We had no competition and I don't think we have a competition this time either. To be honest, you know very, fighters, the taliban, but they never fight at night because they don't have binoculars. They want men, the tory and people that are caught some that much of it,

but the cooks are saying gases betters being being born. I want to see whether or not I could award myself as president de congressional medal of honor, I think, of the united states. Every day is April fool's day investigation investigation I've been going through for seven years. Is being bang. I don't know I watch that meets these back eyes, beth areas here now, in fairness to MR trump, the part where he as he deserved the congressional medal of honor. He was joking joe you you're having he was. He was saying that for for being brave for eleven years, one landed in Iraq. Yes, he was joking that had been brave man, not elaborate, ranged good. You guys detect any sort of message or strategy in either of these speeches, or is this just vs same shit? We ve been hearing for the last eight years. I would say: ninety percent a greatest hits album donald trump legend. You gotta play that you you go

donald trump card. You got here than the other here, yeah yeah. They are the best. He does incorporate every stupid culture where fight so the gas stove bit, as we heard a new New culture war just dropped here to get that in there there was a rant about electric vehicles and everyone's gonna run out. power on the highway and get stuck on the freeway use very for here is that what you're looking at you? And how are you looking for a plugin, because I really is I just like he has just sort of tapping into boomer anxiety, just eat, yeah sure he's sure he's just a cable news enough in the thing love was like that of the congressional medal of honor. Story was like ten minutes long. It was about landing in Iraq or something, and then it ended with some rant about leaving the equipment in afghanistan so again back to the hits get there It was mostly greatest hits the parts where there were settings strategy to it, one he was trying to kind of come onto dissent as turf with the school policy stuff and

when, after the swimmers and going after critical race theory to there was, kind of like the strange for this to be something trump is doing, and it is for, I think, up defensive position like a place of weakness, but he was really trying to prove to republican elites that had the backing. A lot of important figures in the state It is both in the events were really much more about, like local republic and officials and competence destructive kissing laying it that's why he started with because when and why. He sorry, with these two very small events, as opposed to rallies, which he is known for yeah I do. I do think that I do not think these were events very much aimed at sing. Linked to republicans to either hold off on making endorsements or to jump in and make endorsement of him cause it. He really did line both stages with local officials and talk about how much and how good he was to them. And how did they were to him did in a third point in me.

Was actually made by lindsey gram about like sort of the message he was trying to convey, and it was the most direct and honest thing. Anyone said which is after trump spoke. In south carolina, linsey ground gets up there and says that a lot of we'll saying? Oh, I really like trump and a real like trump policies by love trump policies with somebody, and then linsey grounded a bit a line by line list of of achievements were tromp saying you couldn't have gotten these trump policies without Tramp tramp is what makes them I write. A world sat a simple my book. I had a murder note about that. Like I don't think, that's true I swear, I saw John groups, we know it. A trip struck me as like a really shitty argument from Wednesday grim like you actually can have from policies without trump you can have some like. Whatever republican candidate do all the same. Shit trump did without being as fucking crazy, but that, I think, is what was bad. I mean we would all hate that obviously be horrible for the country, but you could conceivably do But I do think that that's like the debate, if there's a debate that trumpet

try to make happen, I think other than the greatest heads and other than trying to kind of crowd to santos on some of the issues that the scientists would run on. This to me was like the core of what trunk was trying to do in these speeches, which was basically the you know that the that the very long aside about landing in iraq was part of a larger action about me king deals getting them a terrier, a kind of do at the military does best despite the washing and generals oh shading with the taliban negotiating with mexico negotiating with china, and he was basically telling these ridiculous made up story You know I called him up and I said you're gonna give three billion dollars and I like we're. Never gonna give you three billion years. I've got the three billion dollar mexico there are taken over immigrants. Is that we're not taken unless oh yeah you're gonna do have calling the taliban leadership, Abdul though it is, is like sort of fan fiction presidency? Thank you, and I do think that was that was arguments. Do you the speech was. The stay republican parties annual meeting so like

Yes, it was a small audience, but at the good audience to speak to you, it's a bunch of activists, elected officials and the going state party chair is now joining his campaign. They announced at the end I'm sure they could have like using salem, I think not not the biggest, not the best town I guess they could have cruised up to a kid park manchester or something and they rented out a commodity rink, but like you're, not doing a big outdoor rally new Hampshire in january. That's, that's, not a good idea. South carolina was in the statehouse right next to a statue of john c calhoun. an ardent racist and defender of slavery, so that was also not subtle but again, like elite opinion. I dunno. Maybe you could have done a rally in south carolina, but I dunno he didn't want to yeah. I just think it's a it's. It's weird that this time around he's going fur like establishment support, which is also ironic, because he is the party establishment at this point, but like in sixteen was, like the great outsider, didn't give a shit about a lot republican elected officials anywhere and the peace

loved him were the base of the party that often didn't even dissipating elections and then vote and now it's like he's doing this insight or thing which I thought was interesting. I also that to your point, love he did a lot of reciting his a cop policy accomplishments because I think the twenty sixth, campaign was starvation, of it of a time that never really existed in america. This is sort of remorse bird, the days of the trunk presidency, in how wonderful they were re hunky once can paint this picture, and that is when you weep. We played that clip it We need a president who is ready to hit the ground running on day. One like he leaning on experience like you, fuckin, Hillary Clinton is going to tell us strength plus experience. He calls change strength and looked on look with as it as a you know, some issues on again pay. I'm always said that strength was experiencing equals change and live long and always said, obviously also change. Minus strength equals experience. The radically. Rather, you guys

This is the other one biden running makes every day seem like April fool's day. Donald come up we're running for class president wears off where he just he would do a line that it's a fool's day. It's athos who is finally whereas it was losing, is also linked to one of the really thought about the golf course than you, gonna tested it out with the buffeting people seem to like it. I like hey my aunt event. Look kid you're market is it's late january uranium close, keep that could ever erroneous short. We will not get a great. You can do that you can you had in april to reach a well who comparable guide. You mentioned his education stuff, his applause line. Was his proposal to cut federal funding for any school? The teaches critical race your gender ideology, which is part of his education policy plan. That also includes quote opening civil rights investigations into any school that discriminates against asian american students. and promises to any also promised to keep men out of women's sports. So it does

seem to me, like those policies, are coming from a place of weakness, because he is like following two santas on this kind of stuff win back. And I think, twenty fifteen when he was running, you could argue that, like he was the candidate most in touch with the bases grievances and he was like out front on extreme immigration policies, for there is also there's something about that too. That does also just it does speak to how much has changed, because ye go through of those right. Those are obviously things that test really well with republican voters, but that specific part asian americans, that is a inside republic in serve conversation about trying to peel off asian americans by using affirmative action as a as a wedge issue, and so it's like and then there is another part later in the speech where he says about. I think I in this section of the enemy What were you search? I met the wall and he said you know these aren't

in the crowded republican. These things are just common sense was the most like wrote, kind of, but clearly a message tested line. There are a lot of message tested pieces of the speech. Yeah, look it's it's just bigotry with the slightest of was about your item into santas is out ahead of him, banning what ap black history courses is putting christopher roof with the guy who created the hysteria around critical race theory in charge of gutting some florida colleges curriculum. So, yes, he he's following santa sir yeah, I mean there is it's it's a it's going to be a competition of dissenters gets in of like who can be the ultimate culture warrior. That's the but this this round is gonna, be about so it could get. It could get pretty ugly and even more bigoted pressures. We continue to go on because you're going to try to appeal to the most extreme parts of the party yeah. I do think that the way the trumps lang involved in the speech in something that's gonna, be, I think, pretty menacing an awful is you know these people america the way he waves of the wave waves away, the entire the entirety of.

Position is that the the marxist, the racists and perverts? So that's going to be, I think, the yeah. Those are the three. Those are the three, the the the the three horsemen. He also took a direct shot at the santas who The Washington post reported over the weekend has been holding meetings about twenty twenty four and has already identified multiple potential hires in early primary states, trumps descent has been trying to rewrite history over his response to the pandemic, accused him of peace, holding the vaccine as much as anyone and criticized these. These are criticisms and criticise him for closing some beaches and businesses in some parts of florida because think this fight were the pandemic, will matter to republican primary voters Linda. I think so. I mean hating fouche e thinking is evil is now like republican cannon. Is that the core belief? I think the anti backs moving? pretty firmly embedded in the republican base trouble right about dissenters, flip flopping on this in twenty twenty one he was telling people to give access

using vaccines, protect you a year later he's hosting anti vaccine news conferences. He put together a committee to called for an invest, creation of the wrong doing in florida with respect to covet nineteen vaccines, so yeah. I this answers will argue. He fought the woke laugh. in the lock downs in the vaccine, mandates while trump cave to them and hired, found she or didn't fire it. Let me they both. They both have done a couple switches on on the vaccines. This whole point during the vaccine. Rollout was look good. I am at this out on the best of growing. This thing out trump was like Joe the onstage about how, like, oh, my god, this fucking vaccines, a boo, your boon, the vaccine, all right, I guess I think you should get it. You know he was like he. He felt that changing for him in real time. I think it as an issue, I dont know how important it will be, but it really is sort of you know. So much of the fight is gonna be like who stick in it to the to the fucking squares harder. You know which one of us going,

to the nerves in the fuckin jews the hardest, really it's all in a global and not love, it does John love it sets out here is gonna mendicants as I'm his eminence sick it as good as up there as it does those new yorkers, but that vaccines scepticism is increase in euros of seeing it among, like a lead opinion makers. Remember there's the dna. David, sacks insufferable, venture capitalist douche bag, whose brought it to twitter by you and musk he's a podcast cas with the guys that I don't care about genocide. They did it episode the other day, whether our bragging about how they're not gonna, get booster anymore. I like this is a growing. I figured you might swerved to hit them all that I have it here. Insufferable, air insufferable, horrendous people who yap alot, I think on one end hard to make a primary fight. A two year old issue that has little bearing on the future. On the other hand, primaries

historically about really dumb thinks that yeah anschluss anything. It is also unclear what else they're going to fight over, because what other policy differences do they have or like differences, unlike what issue positions they ve taken, etc. So, like you look for like the tiny, difference between you and your primary opponent, and you make it into a big deal that happens in primaries. All the time Disable I'm a little worried it could get personal up here it is, it is a stand in for like whose more establishment who's the bigger outsider, nay, I'm right. That's that's gonna, be the fight between two whore who will tell the woke left sue. You know the basi around now and also If you are, the idea, like one of the biggest applause lines was in this part, where he kind of raw through all the people he was gonna, keep taking on and incubator we need a fighter can stand up to the left. Who can stand up to the swamp stand to the media stand up to the deep state

am, I allowed to say, stand up for the rhinos too. I thought was one of the biggest applause lines he got in both speeches, and I do think that that's like you know somebody at a time before disasters is arena and he's, like speaking rhinos, lindsey gray, hair about that's like, as I owe you taken on the rhinos like the rhine was extinct. There's, like one rhino left in a fucking zoo somewhere, it's a moving target yeah! I I do think it is a setup for de santis is probably going to have the support of more of the republican establishment, the Mitch Mcconnell's of the world, even if Mcconnell isn't actually indoors, but back that type of person, who's, not a rhino, but trump would call the marina for sure, and so trump is setting it up so that when DE santis gets all this republican support, It gets more of these republican officials. He can say: oh they're, all this they're, just as bad as the Democrats and I'm the real outsider yeah. You know, so that's probably what he's doing there. So when trump was asked about the santas, he said,

when I hear that he might run. I think it's very disloyal. I got him alive, I'm the one that shows him, but when he was asked what hayley in other tromp officials potentially running like my pants nicky, hey, we might pump here the calf. His cabinet is running and some he said my attitude is: if they want to do what they should do it. I have good relationships with all them. So what do you think? What's with the different answers, so it's voted so transferred, so great is well dissatisfied. maybe not abolish. Other people run I hope they do that, because then they and I'll be divided. As the anti jumpers then- and I can do the same thing- I did in twenty sixteen yeah- that's the smart explanation. I think the the are all done. Explanation is that it is very sad for Nicky Hayley. It's like in Its rivalries when one team hates the other and the other team is never thanks Then it's like chicago bears fans who hate the green bay packers aaron rodgers is like I forgot, you guys were stony. I thought

maybe a mean so long you're. So bad. I forgot the? U existed in that kind of how I think about a nicky, hayley, kinsey yeah, also ten and advertisements on thursday, but he had at nice truth about my pants after pence classified I remain thinking. I leave my pens alone that without sarcastic knowing tat is to say things like he likes mighty, but he's not threatened by my pants. If he was turned by my pencil, convert hanging. I think, train. I think I think trumps narcissism can be big enough to envelop humans in the vicinity of it, and so He he like. Be genuinely things, it is funny how much of a rule foller might pencils, and these appreciated that as a horizontal, do you think it might pence broke the rules he's like me, I stuff some documents. My bazin, oh marilla, go, give its depends. You know it's not gonna make me president, etc, but we are going to fuck and hang him still like cooling disguise awesome. You guys know we talk about what dissenters is book. That's coming out of february is called the courage to curve

it'll be nailed it both of you wow I'd, be very well because I preordered of it I you've got to get my brewery of cards now the free state of florida so damned balls. Can a wrote, a peace where he said the best analogy for this republican primary is the two thousand primary between obama and hilary republican pollster, frank lunch also said that too It is so far ahead of we're. Barack Obama was against Hillary Clinton. At this point, do you guys it's a good analogy, and what do you think is similar to two thousand and eight and was a different time for him, as I just want to say. I do think that Dan Balz writing a piece saying that trump is the hillary of twenty twenty four combined with pence trump and Biden having classified documents in their home is a real strategy to have Hillary Clinton. Do a kind of full breakdown like an airplane ass. I was, I thought, is absolutely lives like saying beetle juice through tax, which is really she's, gonna go she's in overall joker

she's, gonna, she's, gonna, absolutely ridiculous. This is ridiculous, mean her. I mean I don't know I've set it before. I say it again. Franklin snail I could dissent is right. I got the climate change. That is the guarantee that they will take. Another deceit is in a way better position than obama was at this point, that lake with the caviar that is probably hearted running into former president. We don't really know dissent. This is it up by twelve points in a new hampshire pole. And I will pull that had descent disputing trump without cockers gore's. He raised a hundred million dollars for his governors raised. I beseech you fundraiser differently for a fellow lace, then state race, but like I don't live trump, wasn't trump and this would be the clear front, runner yeah, maybe you're right. It's interesting! You can't it's sort of like it really. What what the analogy says is that

it, depends on who wins, because you could just as easily make it the other. You may go the other way and say dissent, as is the stout with other than the fact that trump, I think, I think, probably too sadly, in a way that will end up having to run away from his serve doing this establishment campaign early on said, is is gonna? Have the establishment support dissent, as is in the lead? He is a sitting governor trumped. Does his absolute well, is the best most fiendish work, as an outsider he's not necessary, and it's it's similar to the obama Hillary thing where dissenters is not necessarily in the lead nationally. I think if you took an average of all the polls trump still winning but you're right and like in new Hampshire and iowa, he is ahead. Some of these early poles in the south carolina pull his not, which is interesting I think that the similarity is he's taking on an establishment front runner who's, leading in the national polls likely with a message that is more about generational change than policy change. I think what's different is, knock em have the problem. Obama did with lack of experience. Is the governor of florida

just won a second term by a member of congress before that right, a member of congress prefer that, but we also don't know it doesn't seem like he has a brac obama's orator I'll. Tell you about the what exactly inspirational figure out if they like that, what they are mainly to them. He has made to the republican basis like that. I don't yeah. I've come on, I mean like a frog. I got the big every one kind of always a kind of just sort of gems over the once in a generation political talent, part of it that braga mama brought it. I can't beynon right like you know, there's some any dance at a couple weeks ago, it's like no, heard Rhonda santa's his fuckin voice. You know it's like I'm, not letting you barely see em. You barely here from airliner he's not like what

the little heed of endless two dozen for conventions beat yeah the full colleague lights of trumps. Evil charisma has not been directed at him on a stage that gets things change quickly. Ask has the courage to be free. Roller tour has yet to be gay anytime, enjoy your wary of hope to make sure you proud order. They're gonna go and they're gonna. Do their little should have an irish very order every once it has made. The pandemic fight could be like Iraq fur you have an eight hour. Brains are just doc, india hermits, that's like the one presidency becomes a judgment thing. You know that the one of them judgment would have its of its content. I like fight like like just the two of them just argue like who did a better job of fuckin killing the elderly for the complete mirror, a complete mirror image. Renault, unbelievable its debated are the them, so the other big differences, just the difference between the democratic primaries and republican primaries, and we talked with this performance winner- takes all verses. Winner takes some. I also think

I developed a base of voters that was closely matched to Hillary, so you had. He had college, educated, whites and black voters and she had non college, educated, whites and latino voters. I think the santas he could get a lot of these college, educated, republicans and republican leaning independents who dislike trump and are more concerned with electability who pay closer attention to politics. I just don't know if there are enough of the republican electorate right. So much of the republican electorate non college, whites and those are such trump people like trump voters, were not people attending the new Hampshire event, the south carolina event. They probably don't know as much about the scientists. They are low information voters like Those are the people that surprised with the pull out by also do think. Like one thing, the democratic, the primary voters and republican primary voters have in common is the first question: is electricity and to do they think can win? Who do you think is the best person to send up against the democrat

and the hasn't been that electricity conversation. Yet I think I think that there is an assumption. I think that the report and I think, if internalize the idea that Joe Biden is very weak, but I I wonder what happens when you know? There's one one. You know damn balls makes his point when he compares donald trump to Hillary Clinton in a way that if you've seen this but most of Chapo always got his capital has gone. It's just a big crater. Now she saw that she saw the posting of that sad, a lot of good people. There, I'm not the other way round. The fuck north metro north about ethics, but now the effects of the figures it is money never should also, but but the point that and the fucking donald trump sang

Oh you're going to go with this guy. I will destroy every person on this stage. Whether I win or lose, I will never accept his electability or comment gotta start signal like I'm not going. I think it's coming. I didn't think that that you could use that as sort of an electability or cause. I think Donald trump has a very shitty wok to believe it's implicit I'll run as a third party that was his done. Teach me argument to think it starts to get more the more under fire. He gets the more explicit. It was interesting, though, that the santas, although he has been very quiet, he did decide to weigh in on the republican national committee race and come out finally and say that rano mcdaniel shouldn't get the job again, which obviously she's they have had a horrible couple of election cycles in a row and it didn't matter she won. But it was just interesting that he picked aside in that you know. Even with the chemical,

at the stuff. It's like, he dips his toe and he does puts out a kind of lukewarm endorsement. Then, when it starts going his way, he chimes in and says he was the orchestrator of any sort of he's always afraid to kind of put himself too far under yeah. I don't look. Even I go back and forth, like gut instinct on this alike, as trump can what again could dissenters to? I just don't know I don't I dunno it's too early. It's too early. Here's these hi michelle time will tell time will tell yeah. There's our analysis are the other big story. This week is the followed from the tragic and infuriating murder of Tiree, nicholls by five memphis police officers, who beat the honor Twenty nine year old so severely during a traffic, stop that he died in the hospital three days later in the police body, camera footage which was released on friday. A nicholls could be heard crying out for his mother and didn't appear to ever strike back spite with the police officer said, the officers have been fired and charged with multiple crimes, including second degree murder and the Memphis police department has disbanded the undercover unit they were part of which had been cut

size for aggressive policing, so there were protests in memphis and other cities over the weekend. The question now is whether tiree murder will revive the national push for policing reform and actually lead to action. This time, coy booker is expected to reintroduce the george floyd justice in policing act sometime this week, which died last year after his negotiations with republican senator TIM Scott fell apart. Maybe we should start by walking people through why those negotiate fell apart and what the sticking points were Tommy yeah I in this didn't buy was she called qualified immunity which shields police officers from civil law suits. The Democrats wanted together, qualified immunity that protection for police republicans wanted to preserve it. I think you have to get rid of qualified immunity, part of any reform, because it so thoroughly tells the scales in favour of the police and protect them from accountability

that it was criticised by both justices sonya soda, my or an clarence thomas, so if those people can agree on something I think congress should be able to, but please unions are very against getting rid of qualified immunity protections and have lobbied hard to preserve them federally and in the hope of two states If the bill didn't even fully eliminated, it reformed it, it got rid of a lot of it, but and then there were like compromises, floated back then, like at some point, TIM Scott. During an interview had said he was open to the idea. that you would reform qualifying immunity so that you could sue police departments are meanness holidays, but not necessarily individual officers lindsey grand by the way just over the weekend, floated that has potential compromise well, but never really when anywhere that potential compromise, I think, because TIM Scott just walked back what or just decided that he wasn't going to embrace it

and mine enough republicans to write well. They were so far apart. They were for their part on that issue, but also the the the the george for justice policing act is just was much broader and a few other ways. And the republican bill, so they were always very far apart. They remain far apart, but it does seem like this. I mean well. this conversation be revived. That has been revived right here. Talking about it, we have cory booker talking about it. We have lindsey, graham talking about it. Jim Jordan, saying it's not necessary, tells you where a lot of republicans in the house will be, but I don't you know this happens to be. I think an issue where the fact that we went from a narrow, democratic majority to a narrow republican majority in the house I dont think makes it made me they make it harder and may make the bill more of a compromise. I dont think its less likely. You know that if you figure possible. I think it's possible think remains as possible because I think the same problem like if it can pass the compassion,

I parson way in the senate, I think it is possible for someone like mccarthy to bring to the fore. I think the challenge was so qualified immunity becomes. The sticking point that you know all the pieces in the aftermath of the negotiations. Talk about us is one of the big sticking points but scott statement and when he said in interviews afterwards was he he started making these claims. That did you know them. crap. I couldn't reach a compromise of them, because democrats wanted to defend the police right, which he said that if you tied grant money to reforms that was to funding the police, which is nonsense while its especially nonsense, because that provision right, which would it was, it would give law enforcement agencies. Grants only after they met these certain standards and by his training, no knock warrants the use of force, etc. This was caught a fine, an executive order from donald trump in July, twenty twenty heard of him, and that's what that provision was doing so first made scott at the very the very least, was being somewhat dishonest and how he

scribes that that provision, but if he's not gonna, go there and embrace that, I think that tells you that, like yeah, there were never ten republicans in the senate. who were going to embrace even a compromise version of the George floyd justice and policing act, but the I think so I think the only hope then becomes that the debate has shifted. Well. We are just outside of an election where we went through kind of a huge period of debate and conversation about this and twenty twenty that led to republicans using it as a cudgel and using to fund in a big way as a that led to months and months of inflamed coverage of crime on fox music. That is all kind of faded, which I think makes it a little bit more possible that you could have some kind of a compromise that would obviously not go nearly far enough. For not knock nearly far enough, as as what Democrats would want to do, but that to me is why you can use are the reasons why it's gone harder, but there are a couple ways in which has gone easier. I wasn't

we were a little bit about what trump will do or say about this, that it is not the same issues or by a related issue was the passage of the first step act which was a criminal justice reform. Those very narrow that tromp past initially was celebrated the chair cushion or push really hard and a couple years later, trump talked about it like he was embarrassed that had happened and regretted it, and so I bring that up just say like where a trump is looking for ways to. flank of the republicans. By being more, you know programme prolonged order. Whatever you want to call it, I could imagine him being incredibly chaotic and elsewhere so edition to booker reintroducing the bill. A Biden will be meeting with the congressional black caucus this week to talk about reform. They've also invited terry Nichols his parents to the state of the union, which means

president Biden meal for consumer. We will be talking about this in the state of the union. I do to your point about how the politics of change live. I think that obviously there was the sort of political debate around to fund, especially in washington for people paying close attention and then there were, like you know, crime rates than necessary has been violent crime rates and a lot of cities did- and I think you have this dynamic the country where an overwhelming majority of americans, including black americans, like want police to protect them from violent crime, and they also want to be protected from violent police, and I think that, like there's, not a simple set of policy solutions to do both freight like It is it's not just about like more funding or less funding it. You can't just like throw money at the problem or take money away and fix the problem right. There's like a lot of solutions that have been tried in cities and states that improve this on the margins, but I do think there's it sort of starts with the way our politik

there's a dress. Like last time, Biden gave a state of the union. You know he said we shouldn't define, please we should fun fun, fun, police rate and, like I get why he said that, but Do you think there is a more nuanced way to talk about it that I hope he talks about in the state of the union, which is like people want to be protected from violent crime? They also deserve to be protected from violent police, and we shouldn't have violent police. Not only should we have them on the force but like we shouldn't hire them in the first place. That is why I think on the politics there was this incredible national focus and a shift in public opinion on this issue that was very dramatic and opened up a lot of new avenues for reform made. A lot of changes possible hadn't met, lead to a lot of local bills being passed led to this national debate. But then the conversation around to fund put republicans

exploited by republicans, even though it was a position held by activists which act was always going to push for the for the for the for the most progressive policy can be used as a cultural against democrats, which then I think, in order to get to a place where you can. I think that is why you see someone like Joe Biden feeling the just say that, because they need to kind of make a break from that debate about the fund, which I think ultimately makes more more reforms possible. I would suggest that everyone read 'em radley balko as new york times piece about this, like it just sort of proves the point of how difficult this is. You know in memphis The police permits as like. We done de escalation, training and other reforms had body cameras, obviously, but these these elite police teams this unit, the elite police for being unit as erica so yeah, and they have these in cities all across the country. They operate in high crime areas, with less oversight than other police units and in memphis the reporting says.

they tend to hire younger and more inexperienced officers with a propensity for aggression. The training for this unit consisted of three days of powerpoint presentation and one day at a firing range in like these these units are they're like militarized. They treat civilians like enemies in and we in four years the departure offence has been giving local police departments like left overs gear from a rock like basically tanks and things right. It's a complete. The back ass word way to think about how you keep people safe in detroit. This kind of unit was disbanded after they raided, and apart and with sheriff's deputies in it and killed one cops killing. Other cops I've seen this debate about these elite units and hope, like people see it like this conversation about letter of this? The way like concentrates some of the most like dangerous per issues in policing, given. These sort of videogame names gotta, give identity that they give him

power. They remove this oversight. I I do think it important that if it's worth disbanding these things, it says, clear that their dangerous. It is clear that it sort of engender sort, the worst instincts of people, but, like you, You can see it as a as a stand in for like some of the key. internal issues that have been exposed because of body campfires them exposed because of this pushed to attention on the issue of police violence, but clearly has been there for decades and decades and decades, if not forever, and that, like you know, body cams may mean that may be. The reason and cameras may be the reason these guys are all indicted, but even with body came the culture that that lead these guys to be so callous to be so violent that led them to test This kid up and then sit there and then have the the medic that that the medical help calm and not address it like that culture that dehumanize as the people they are meant to protect like that is such a deep.

That has been there for such a long time and it can take such a long time to untangle and get rid of it. I but like how we, focused on that the kind of the way in which the people that go into the police and once in supplies are trained, took it lose that connection with the community is so bad and is the core of so much of this that all of these reforms are about trying to protect against all these forms. Body cams qualified immunity it is about trying to figure out how to make up for the way in which becoming part of this police forces, humanizes people and leads them to dehumanize. The people they're meant to serve, but it's also like with the why these units are created in the first place is part of why this is such a difficult issue right, because these units are created in the first. because they're the guy we're gonna, send the special unit into this crime area and we're gonna, give him or leeway, and we're gonna, give him less oversight than other police units, because we feel like the violent crime, is the important crime to stop, and so, if we just send a bunch of police in there.

just let him do their thing and have debt? Let them do. Protection will stops on this. If it's gonna work and guess what, in some of these units, they do take away more guns and they do make more arrests, but they're also killing a lot more people and they're killing lot more innocent people, and that's the the key point there's this is a unit. That's supposed to deal with violent crime and they pulled someone over allegedly for erratic driving right now, there's no evidence that he was going out and they gave him. Seventy one commands in thirteen minutes to do various different things, we're all contradictory, while pepper spraying him in for the you know, sometimes you'll see people reply to stories like this like. Well, if you don't resist, you're, not gonna, get trouble the giving pepper, spain, the phase or beaten up and you're gonna run away. You you don't like it. It's a human instincts of that's ridiculous strong, and I do think, though the good news is late. I have I am last hopeful than you are about what a kevin Mccarthy lead has represented as means for the fate of police reform, but

a lot of good, as happened in states. There are some at some like three huh policing bills pass and forty five states or last couple years, some of them govern use of force. Some are created programs to send civilian teams to respond. The mental health crisis is instead of cops, who are armed because at least comes. Some cities have banned these kinds of police stops for low level traffic offences because, as we just saw, they lead to violence in police shootings number data try to get rid of qualified immunity. Those efforts are mostly, by unions and again I do think that's critical. And then other cities and states of banned no knock warrants chokehold, including memphis. So there has been a lot of progress at the stately Well, I'm not saying there's anywhere close to enough and I think it'll take some time to really measure the efficacy of what's been done, but you know that just means that washington isn't the only answer here yet, and I do think that that the best hope at nationally is

You know work on another bill again work on other compromise, and I I agree with you today. I don't, I don't think the republican house will ever take it up at all, but should we get get get it to a point where if we take the house back and and reelect a democratic president in twenty twenty four Then. Hopefully we can. We can pass an argument like we we, let's be honest. We Democrats gave up making the argument because they felt like the politics changed because of violent crime. Statistics went up because it seemed politically disadvantageous. I think with every argument. You don't make so start doing that well, and I think that now that I think what happened is democrats over corrected rate, and so there was a genuine concern about violent crime that wasn't just made up by the news or by republicans that were happening. Cities and instead of saying well, we can have reform where people are protected from crime, but also protected from violent cops. It went too far in the direction of like nowhere funding

These more police, great! Please. We love the police. You know there is a. There is a message somewhere, that's between those two poles that someone that that I think would be if I get and to be clear. Obviously, I think it is very unlikely that something gets the republican led house, but in the same way, when we were talking with a keen jeffreys about- torrents of pudding have mccarthy on on the spot, to get him to try and introduce a clean debt lama bill, even though, obviously nobody expects me do the right thing. I think when we just by saying. Oh, that republican house will never do anything. I think, should be pushing them and act as if we can get. we can get some kind of negotiation. The point where he'll have have to bring something to the floor up the other. Just one other point about all this too, which is, I do think that there is a there is a parallel between the way in which the national tension focuses on police brutality and then reform in the wake of like just these monstrous unequivocal connoisseur of conscience.

shocking events, in the same way that the kind of national tension focuses after mass shootings. But there is this. I do think that, like the fact that it takes thence like this to focus the national attention on problems with policing in the same way that national attention on gun. Violence takes mass, shooting, tells us about just how much we ve had given up and how much we ve already lost and how? How much more of daily mayhem and of abuse and injustice. Of tolerate and expect, and my kind of that, all generally inured to and like there's, no real great answer for that, but We live in a violent country and at one time when's of having a violent country is looking the other way for a lot of police violence police brutality, and I think we do that on a sort of constant basis, and figuring out a way to not just wait for shocks of the country

it's to get. A national debate on these issues is really important in one way to do. That is to, I think, making sure that we don't sort of lose sight of these topics in between the most heinous and despicable examples. Our rights when we come back tommy talks to states, burma, counselor, dare actually about the later, in ukraine. The pod save america is brought to you by sleep me. Science proves cold, sleep, creates better sleep, temperature, controlled sleep, repairs, muscle and improves cognitive function. So you always start your day, feeling sharp, confident and energized. That's where sleet me comes in sleep me is the new home for chile, sleep there. the same great sleep, the chilly seep offered, but under a new name, sleet me makes the coldest sleep systems available. They create the environment that meet the bodies, natural need for lower court temperatures, promoting deeper

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dot com, slash see our oh ok, you d say: protruded is the smartest way to higher. I m very excited to welcome to the pike ass, my friend derec chalais. He is the counselor at the: u s: department. He serves at the rank of undersecretary. That's a big deal for those are not familiar with. That said, the current protocol is a senior policy adviser to the secretary of state. Tony Blinken derrick is great to see it great to see tommy It's so fun too, to bring real world are content to the parts of america audience here, and I think it's really well timed, because it's about to have been a year since russia invaded ukraine, and I was hoping we could start there and a horrible year by the way there and just get a you know an overshoot in sort of overview from you of what the united states has done to date to support ukraine in their efforts to defend their country and then your sort of sense of I don't have the state of the war.

Alpha where we are It really is mind. Blowing have it's been less than a year, still that about love a little over eleven months since russia invaded ukraine a year ago, if we were sitting here talking I'd I'd of course be saying about time at the intelligence we were seeing build up of russia's intent, but there are a lot of people who just couldn't believe it just because it seemed so rages self defeating and terrible, and of course, everything we seem transpired has just confirmed the thing we knew about putin, but it's also confirmed everything we knew about the ukrainians and I think, first of all, all credit goes to them for their incredible courage of resilience. Tough, yes, I'm and they been really taken. The fight to the russians and. our policy, hasn't changed really much at all tommy since the beginning, which was the the kind of nor stars, were punished and isolate russian.

Working with our allies and partners and work with allies and partners doing everything we can to support ukraine them what we ve seen do- political, economically, but by most poorly in terms of security assistance providing ukraine with weapons over the last year, It is remarkable. We really not seen anything like it since the early nineteenth forties, and the way the. U s came to the uk support in the early days of world war. Two! It's it's really remarkable yeah. It's rare to see Europe this unit well yeah, so speaking, Last week, president by in german chancellor. Olaf Schulz decide descend these heavy tanks to ukraine. They ve been sending armed, infantry vehicles and lighter tanks, a gun before that, but not heavy tax. So initially defence department had said We have just heard impractical descend, these modern. U S, tanks, they abrams tank, that the heavy duty it is? U s model it requires tough

of training to you. Yes, it uses, I think, hard to acquire jet fuel and a lot of it hard to maintain you hard to maintain understand what watching, and what you might say to critics who say: hey, you know the? U s, you, you get to the right place with decisions like the tanks or the high mars, but it takes too long while look again it it's when a key perspective? Here? It's we're not even a year into this war, the? U S has provided of itself near the thirty billion dollars in security assistance, and just put that in perspective for folks, Ukraine's defense budget, it's entire defense budget in two thousand and twenty one was about six billion dollars, so but we ve just what the u S is done, has given over five times the equivalent of their defence budget from before the war, and that's just what the? U? S is doing we ve got around fifty countries are contributing in some way to ukraine's defence and

what we've been providing ukraine as evolved as the conflict has evolved in the early days of the war. It was all about stinger missiles, the shoulder fired. Anti aircraft missiles? Then it became javelin anti, take missiles, special missiles at the? U s makes which are great a killing two eggs. Then it became howitzers in air defence and bradley fighting vehicles, which is an armoured vehicle. That looks a lot like a tank. That's not a tank, and now we're talking about tanks and look All a lot of our allies in europe have the kinds of tanks. It can be used more quickly by the ukrainians, because their easier to use their not quite a sophisticated there, so very effective The leper gave the tanks elaborate tanks, the challenger tanks, which is what the uk is giving its here so we can get those to them or they can get those to the to the ukrainians. enter the m one day. One they abrams tag is is very sophisticated tank. It we're going to start

rain, ukrainians item and then they're gonna start getting, but it's gonna take a while. So look as the conflict has evolved on and as the green asks have evolved, there are in a war in every day there are learning new things about what they need and we're trying to do our best to give him advice of what they need, but then also to try to meet their needs, and so this has been an ongoing conversation about the tanks for last several months really and weak, a really important decision. Last week and they're not just getting one tank they're getting thirty one m one, a one abrams tanks, but then they're getting hopefully up to anywhere sixty to ninety of these other kinds of tanks, the challenges of the leopards that are made by others. It again, I think, that's just really important for for listeners of the pod, to keep in mind is that obviously

we focus a lot of what the? U s is doing in the? U s is doing more than anyone else, but this really truly is a collective effort and you have countries that are spending a large chunk of their defense budget on helping ukraine for the. U s, we've spent roughly four percent of our defense budget total. I mean equal to our defense budget on supporting ukraine, given what ukraine's doing to the russian military it's a pretty good investment in terms of our security interests, but some other countries are doing much more as a percentage of their budget, and we just won't need to acknowledge at that contribution that they're making yeah in those I think, those thirty one and one day, one tanks will basically make up a ukrainian battalion rights of a full roger, significant greedily absolute. So Eric, as, as I know, well, it's, as you know, the fun part of working government, as you get attacks, on both sides. That issue so as to do that to you now the ukrainian anonymity, that's usually assign when I'm doing something right is what both sides are attacking, potentially the boy. Was he what you think after escutcheons caution, so

cleaning government is now asking for modern sixteens. There's reports that that president Biden is considering that that ask as well here's what way. This is there and then what do you say again to people myself included frankly, who here about these announcements, the yemeni ones a high mars now, maybe have sixteen to feel like there is this earth inexorable push towards escalation, more weapons from the asked russia's drafting more men into service, etc, etc, and the just gonna make you nervous. Yeah look in and were very focused on escalation as well, and look at everything specific to say on the sixteenth other As the ukrainians requests continue and it is their needs evolve. Ardor are ability to provide them. Certain kinds of equipment are go to evolve and it's an ongoing conversation we're having with ever mean. This is something that was in place a year ago, but now sit in the last year. We put in place a really robust, integrate government word.

It was not a set of rights system to like to sword through what they need and how we can best get stuff through them. What and what they can use most quickly therein a war. So I fully understand from their perspective like this is existential for them. Their country survival is at stake, I understand that every time they get something it's thank you and we need more. Thank you and we need more now. Our job is to try to make sure we are being as effective as we can as partners getting them what they but then also- and this is kind of our overall objective here like what we're trying to achieve- is a ukraine that is independent, that it's sovereign, that is democratic, that can defend it's territory. That's clean, meaning, it's ukraine, that that is freer from corruption. That has plagued that country for too long and, I believe, presents Alinsky and his team

very committed to fighting corruption. By way, what fired, like five people were legs out in their top officials? Resign air well well aware, and are well aware that that the world being generous with them- and they have just they have to be good stewards of all of this assistance. They're getting my view is: is we don't want ukraine just to survive? We want it's come out of this stronger, more democratic, closer to europe, closer to the united states, but Ukraine has to has to survive. First, then again, it's important for people to remember this was not a war that was provoked by anybody as a country that violates the most basic principle of international politics. Crossing aboard

gobble up parts of another country and an that's what ukraine's dealing with so it feels it seems to me that its important for ukraine's future is important for for our broader interests that russia not succeed. I dont think russia is succeeding. I think there they ve already suffered a profound defeat strategically, given the assistance we been giving ukraine, given that the hum the humble that had its military is taking on the battlefield, given the fact we have finland and sweden coming into nato. That was not something again. If we were talking a year ago, I would say: that's not are to do list for twenty twenty two is to have been announced. We come into NATO are you the turkey is gonna block sweden's, strengthen it always seems like he's, are the ones really making some noise about that officer? This has been tough. A lot discuss, tough discussions with the swedes in the fence with the turks and I'm optimistic they're, going to we're going to get across the finish line. We've got a turkish election coming up in may that's going to be a factor here clearly

but I think we're gonna get there and I think it's important yet again did not the first time data's large did its history. This has been a record setting time already, even with this delay, so important. Keep that in mind as well, among some capable militaries owed, beatitude gaps, only any thing, but get viewers, purview, viewers, synergistic above above both may not be aware, but Finland and sweden have already been great. Nato partners mean they ve been the very capable militaries are very strong democracies kinds of countries we already do a lot with and so having any alliance will make us all stronger, There's been a lot of pressure, understandably from parts of washington more from progressives too president Biden to sit down for talks with president putin. curious: if there's any, you know like: u s, diplomatic contacts at any level with the rest, government and whether you guys feel like Putin is, is willing or able to have

real talks, you know sort of like sit down as a way to stall for time. Yeah I mean look, I'm sitting here in the state department, The policies are those how we make a living. so we never rule out talks and, of course, again ago we were engaged secretary. Blinkin was engaged with intensive zenda conversations with iran. is to try to find our way. We can prevent this war from happening. It was pre clear in those conversations and frankly, I have not seen anything in the last year to suggest the putin is willing to contemplate anything. Other than his own maximal, lest objectives which is he wants to own ukraine, rep ray you will stop. and look linsky has said: he's opened a diplomacy, let's talk, but you know Putin's made certain terms for preconditions as they call him for tat,

in which our possible further wants you to accept, including the fact that citizens who would have to acknowledge and recognise that the territory that Russia's gained by force me that non starter. So I haven't seen any evidence acuteness serious at all about negotiation. Yeah unless anyone think that the year your point there just about territory, I mean we know that there have been russian war crimes committed against civilians in those occupied territories units its ten hundreds, if not thousands, yeah, absolutely could be that way. You're lacking is some strategic, creative genius an idea. Former president trumps, that if he is reelected, he will build quote an impenetrable dome over the united states to protect us from russian nuclear missile attacks? I know you don't do politics, but you did work at the defence department in a previous life. What do you make the feasibility building said impenetrable missile defence dome over the. U S, a lobby

israeli iron dome system technically, probably not feasible, gonna back to that. you're the reminiscent of early nineteen eighties in star wars. If we called star wars, space laser, because we've been agreed within their. We ve been there as an old idea, yeah bad okay, moving forward speaking of Israel. So you know there were reports over the weekend that Israel struck some military sites in iran over the weekend. Yeah I know Tony blinken is over israel now for meetings. There were some sick, questions on twitter so consider the source that he's real government, but it done this to help ukraine may You know they refute. The israelis are refused to offer ukraine weapons or assistance, but IRAN has been a key source. Drones. For russia, for example, they have used against ukrainian military are decreasing targets. I should say near times later reported that the strike was unconnected to IRAN. Support for russia is curious if you know what thing about this strike in iran authority. We talk about publicly yet another

you talk about publicly. You will be surprised to hear that of did say said. Secretary blanket is in Israel right now today will be there. Tomorrow is well intensive talks with the new government there and a new old government may ways you privileged and on yahoo is well known to too many all of us here and as well as members. Senor team? Iran was first and foremost unease they discussed, and we share with the israelis- are determination to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but also to take steps to try to address the runs behaviour then that the nuclear talks have nothing to do with like, like IRAN's proliferation of john drones. Is like russia and I think, that's a dimension frankly, going back to ukraine of the ukraine war that is is quite concerning, which is the deepening of the cooperation between

russia and iran the willingness of around a bride russia with sophisticated drones that are being used to kill civilians in you, I mean it's something we should all take notice of and it's important, you know you're kind of defined by your friends and you look where russia turns for support. It's. Turning to of north korea and IRAN and that's a big problem. That's a big problem for us. They problem for ukraine's, be proper israel as well Annabelle I've been calling that israeli coalition old but new is perfect to even in yahoo, who we all have a great pleasure of of getting to observe in and work with times, but you coalition is this hyper analyst ultra orthodox group of individuals. That includes four, Your ex convicts, open, racists? I minister, positions and the

There is concern from people like etude brok, the former israeli prime minister, that Netanyahu is pushing forward policy proposals that he said peroxide would quote collapse: israeli democracy yonder. that kind of his on the conversation to there's any concern from the state department about the trajectory of this new govern coalition in some other things are pushing for yet well up. There were watching closely secretary blinkin, has been very clear that workers focused on policies, not personalities and in Israel today. The reason why he wanted to go so early since this new government has taken office was to talk about some of the policies and Look up- and this is not just about this moments- gonna taking a step back which brought the? U s and Israel so close over the last Many five years is the fact that we have shared values were driving democracies. We ve seen the device

israeli civil society, inaction over the last several weeks and We want to always try to stay true those principles and remember that would fundamentally what brings us together and the other point we ve made. Is there What do we believe that is, normally normalizing of relations with some of its arab neighbours. That's happened in the last few years, and and and there is a big step taken in previous administration- and I give credit the previous administration for that, because those positive thing to happen in the Middle EAST. They quite some time and want to talk about. Is Israel's normalization? Were the united arab emirates in morocco in bahrain, and that's it that's not good. At the bottom up, peace at such as governments do in its businesses, private sector, tourism, people to people, education, sports, Allah. Well, it's hard to see that that get that circle getting wider if Israel's new backyards on fire right and so that something that, to me

is self evident. We wanted you big things with israelis. Primacy Netanyahu's got big ambitions. For Israel, a region. We share those ambitions in there. We want work together to try to achieve those, but it is hard to see how that happens. If you know Israel's mired in a in a in a major crisis, in its backyard. Jamming is only concerned that that the official you military aid or funding for sounds like the iron dome system might be support I don't know idea D s, military units that appeared be providing cover, for settler violence or I don't know, there's potentially innovation of the west bank. Is that the kind of thing that's getting talked about? I mean we ve. Look been very clear. The israelis that president Biden's for his entire career support the two states and we want to continue with the casino uphold that were also continuing to urge both sides to take steps to achieve that. It important part of a blinkered, striptease,

will we have to go to the west bank and it will be in the west bank. On tuesday of this week I talked to the palestinian leadership, which is under tremendous stress right now, as well. so look as always, the middle east puts a lot lot lot on your plate and why was important for fur again as a nation's cheap diplomatic get out there sooner or later to begin getting to work with these guys I'm glad there I mean, there's really scheme the cycle of violence there is horrible on people in the synagogue or the week terrible week and then replies with attacks on palestinians. Civilians are the ones being harmed last question for aids to turn to china just to grab the hardest issues like a thing ass himself. we're star, airforce general, named Michael mini han cinema tooth and worrying that he believes the? U s will go to war with china in twenty twenty five, the house foreign affairs committee, Michael Mccall agreed with that. I spent on one of the many sunday shows this weekend, I'm sure- that you in

in Biden's. National security team were thrilled to read about an air force general kind of riffing on war with china. That's always a it's always one day, always a fun fun. Saturday morning, reading the newspaper on in the press office yeah put your dick, like I I you hit. This talk is like we can, suggest that he should not put that in a memo or that mccall statements are irresponsible, but this is The talk you always hear about china rights is lucidity trap Powers are always gonna get into a conflict. Talk like war is treated as inevitable. What is hit a to listeners who hear that all the time at a washington and think boy, that doesn't sound good. I would prefer void a war with china, and it can tell us about anything that the diplomats at the state department doing to twitter released steam here shored up, so I mean we want void of war as well. it is the most complex, inconsequential relationship that we have right now and I am sure the united states is not alone in feeling that why many countries

around the world phil outweigh any role in foreign policy. There is, there is often a desire drive it among the chattering classes to come up with a bumper sticker like what are you he's a containment, or what do you call her aunt rent? Well, if you wanted to try to sum up our china policy, you would need a really long bumper, because its it's hard to boil down into one word, because it yeah there's elements the relationship that are if we're not afraid of competing with china as long as we're planned by the same rules there is, there is a key element of the relationship and conceited small element. Right now, that's cooperative. I mean we ve gotta cooperate with. On an issue like climate change, and we were the? U s is a responsible, fitting peace global emissions. We gotta work with others to get the eighty five percent. Draw in china's a big jungle that so there are elements we hope to be cooperative and there are always the relationship that are conflicts while they're not does meet the conflict, but we are fundamental differences and we need to push back here.

Where necessary and try to change china's mind and working with our allies of partners along side. Us here in this house Oh look: we have an intensive amount of diplomacy with china, its president Brian present. She about multiple. Conversely, friends, including one in person late last year, in the margins of the meeting in indonesia, circular blinkin In short, order will be visiting china to follow up on on present binds meetings with present she and fire way that we can put a floor on things like we, we do not. We. We believe that this relationship matters greatly to u S, interests, involved, lively but negatively as well, and we need to work with them to prevent things from spiralling out of control me coming into a conflict that I think we They would want to avoid the inspector yell ethic, which is there, the treasury secretary, that that's it deal right, because I mean with covered with china's covered restrictions. I believe

only John huntsmen, the u s ambassador to China was maybe the only person having meetings with chinese officials at an unbearable for, like so nick burns. little bombers embezzler in due time, and when I use Christ man, my brain is it's irish, nor leaving it in it burns was the only one who had meetings with chinese officials for like a couple of years right well in china, ancient china, we we would meet with chinese officials outside of china. Separate blankets, had multiple interactions with his counterpart and now he's got a new with shakeups who's got a new counterpart as well but you're right burns was the only one meeting with them in china. So now china's interesting also to think about it. We we had, we had a huge challenge with covert chinese, even had a bigger challenge with covered. As you know, the last few weeks they ve been hitting with waves- encourages exposes a we dealt with. You know or more

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mad lib. If you will, this is, of course, what we call Up again does so we're having fund, but we are also examining other eight manipulated listeners by tapping into their feared rage and emotional level. You'll need only this elegant pattern, no snow. Let's see the webs over in jeopardy. Do all that ok, anyhow solely bleating other specific thing each particular he is mad about and you'll need a reliant context clues to guess what the topic is about. It is multi choice. Don't worry because a lot of these sound pretty similar also, king earlier. I love jeopardy. I'm kidding again, I think it's time louis for tells to be up I will fight him. Are you all ready? You never met him. Let us play the first

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Tucker Matt, it's incredible, also the bleep. It makes it sound way. Cooler are actually talking about like filthy. It's like I wish, that'd be yeah you're, not crazy. The world is crazy, something to do with congress. Okay, let's hear through the option. A more federal funding for the ukrainian army be more federal funding for refugees at the border. see a monument of capital for ukrainian presidential linsky. Do I do tougher hunter bite it because you know that guy is going to lose. It he's it on a park bench in delaware, singly were you all aware, the delaware just stay bird is hunter Biden's laptop. Actually, actually it's not! But what? If it was your thoughts it was. It was Dan was here he would love the delaware county, says he's going to run on that platform for some grass out his change in the state bird takes takes on establishment, vigour, christians, given him the bird

the options of young, a more federal funding for the ukrainian army, be more federal. for refugees at the border see a monument at the capitol? president linsky Araby and a new laptop four hundred bite as we should read and you get a free laptop of hunter bite is like the president, but you gotta find it somewhere it just loose in delaware. I think it's a. I think it's its aid to love it in a zig, zag, Brazil, whatever it is. I think the fact that there were two ukrainian option. Which is why I think it's then you say you're all going hey. I also don't think we've been any more border funding in Anyway, it is see actually a bronze statue, no e republican congressman Joe Wilson, ass, the house, fine arts board to obtain a bust of the ukrainian president and fire quote a suitable permanent location for it at the. U S, kapital tucker's, on having it, but I personally I will fight, entirely myself, and will find anything that specifically

Tucker karlsson enraged, as this segment implies. That's good pocketbook because he's met a lot of stuff? What do you guys think about that? Tucker's right? We do not need a bust of president Zelensky in the capital we're ever going to put a bust of a comedian if we're going to cap you're gonna, be a little more like they do. We just get like a babo head or a vote of candle picture. I got a big, but recognise, frame, picture predominate, be photo hunger, whether babo had run a kind of my mahler Babo had if we get the high resolution or is it my fault, she wasn't advocates, for So you re weizman. Maybe I went out and battery wise man the resistance, voucher mauler. So let's go Listen. I got some cigar tissue either that voters belgie unequally located. Prime minister bus, I bet I had I do you should be. We listen. I don't! U. District is out of problems. We should focus on those Google. Let's just wasn't said, you lie you manage out of you, play the slip,

first gas stoves. Then your coffee now you're gunning. For my crazy, though like when we were kids, you were a rebel. If you have like a leather jacket and a pack of cigarettes, I mean it's crazy, what they're doing, but we understand what this is they're trying to recruit Kids into that an earlier age. I didn't put that you're right, there's that one after the show, of course they are. I know I don't say a word. I just I'm going to get it with. The gentlemen. America's children are big, lorded awoke ism again. What means the culprit? This time? A book pot tarts inspired, actually bay, pride buns product, the knee and pink block party lemonade flavour. Ok, be woke. Video videogame council, specifically the xbox, see woke disney for closing splash mountain and finally woke easy bacon. inspired by a recent add that threatens the masculinity of america's used by debating a little boy, making brownies that little broadly loving boys. Clearly gay,

you could just tell kids shouldn't exposed to that. What do you think the answers above can be the xbox. I do think, though, in fairness to the Republicans, I think it is weird that the pride pop stars, flavoured y know, and I didn't notice when I had. What are we gonna like gives us a pig limited, never had it I want to know is this fatima: America, after dark circular, wholesome and said xbox yeah yom xbox, going xbox. I know that it is exploiting. It is the xbox of wars. In case you missed its listened area, the deluge shit that is every week in the news expectation please, a software update, allows the devices to save electricity by going to sleep mode when it's not being used foxing. The new woke xbox is both ruining the fun of video games and making kids think about the environment much too early, and we could all agree the best time for children to think

I would change is when the salt water for the rising sea levels just destroys their xbox entire moment or its also its superman's at another level, because the actual xbox update is they just changed? How the power saving mode works, to save a little more power right, yeah about just as already terrible all it does. Is just like hey guys, it's that it's called power saving over not to sleep mode anymore, takes nothing away from your nothing from any my little, even the little bit of inconvenience amount at its mouth enough to last. While, Finally, we got one more and we got one for the ladys. Let's play the clip, they were there, here I mean why? Doesn't anyone put a stop is again just completely clear. Is a crime and certainly a moral crime and unjust amazed that people sit back and let it happen

I'm glad you mentioned the dads Tucker. Yes, there's a lot of the people that are single mothers. I don't know if there's a pattern there or what what now? I think this is important because he said it's a crime. it s. A cartoon says it's a moral cry, because this is, of course, not actually cry. What he's got it? We just throw it other crimes goody and strive to incite his viewers to her people. Absolutely that's great yeah! They are these single mothers. Taking the children to a a christmas themed drag show helping, young daughter, seek abortions out of state, see bringing their kids to court echoed in tee for protests or deep, forcing their children obedience they're up at an underground toddler fight club while online. Watch watching place tiny bets a little tiny about the size, but I think d was was a in the game of thrones spin off for wasn't it in the face. It was like a little kid fight club in a show. I watched recently the trumpet

a whole dragon yeah amicably ghastly time into the yet he never saw them, we were the the world war radiant see again taking their case. Your christmas themed all ages drag show helping young daughters seek abortions? I've state bring their kids to quote a coat and teeth a protests and, of course, toddler fight club a feels most likely does. It does but I feel like their train is generous with this by. I remember him saying, as this thing about about basely harpy will just letting this happen, and I do remember I feel like it was about drags. I actually thought it was about. I think it's about drugs story are that's what I think. I think it's a too. tell me how you feel, and I'm thinking hey to all right. You are correct. It is a taking their kids to drag shows tiger was interviewing right. Wing, troll and self described, drag foam, tyler Hansen who were in all ages. Christmas drag show in san Antonio texas, which he claimed was inappropriate. The venue

Had to cancel all of its tranquil, so there s ears, I've saved it. Concerns is just where the many examples of drag performers being targeted by the right wing acquire the issue you publican seen us as it is three hundred and fifteen anti l, GB dick you bills and twenty four to think for lily and I passed a law, but that's twin. Ninety many but Tucker's I entirely because, as a woman who doesn't have a man to physically control me, I do go to drag, shows a lot and if anyone it's been record, one I'm happy do so, but I can tell you right now: we're gonna see me having the guy. Damn time of my life yeah, that's our game! Thank you. So much for the back. I work here. Thank beg you for hosting another fantastic game. Thank you to the state department, councillor, Derek chalet for joining us today and we'll talk to you later this week. By guys the pod save america is a crooked media production. The executive producer is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer is Andy gardner Bernstein, our producers, or hayley muse and olivia martinez, its mixed in

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