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alright, let's get to the news, iowa republicans have chosen a date for the first contest of the two thousand and twenty four election, the caucus
will be held on Monday january fifteenth, that's also, Martin luther king day, a nod to the parties, passion for civil rights and also the trial date of aging carol. Second, defamation suit against donald trump, a nod to the parties, passion for women's rights so that success.
These carcasses will be earlier than they were in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen when they were held in February. That mean
new hampshire primary will likely take place on January twenty third eight days afterwards, and then there will be a full month before the south carolina primary on February.
Fourth trump campaigned in ilo over the weekend where he hit Rhonda santa's on his ethanol record and stopped by a dairy queen for what was apparently the first time in his life.
Let's listen, I'm proud to be the most pro farmer, president that you ve ever had
in the white house
Every eye when also needs to know that rendre sank is totally
Spices, iowa, ethanol and ethanol generally.
Nobody wants a blizzard before we get to the us,
serious stuff. Did you want to defend donald trump for not knowing what a blizzard is? Yes, I do. Okay, I do want to defend donald trump on this. One was that I'll tell you why it's not a new york thing. It's not an island thing. We don't there is. There is wrong with,
people- oh ok, yeah, knowing nothing great about new york from here from boston army
dairy. We have, I'm sure, there's a lot. There was like to ignore. Threading
Where was it? We have town of like ten thousand people as we have your weddings and funerals. We
don't have them. I when I was
novel in ireland we have dairy queen. I didn't know it wasn't there. They are now there.
One in manhattan, that's gone. There is one dairy queen and the fire
boroughs right now and that the
staten island ferry terminal, which is, I think,
oh yoga. Studio and lesbian bar on places. Trump goes like.
So no he doesn't oda. Fuckin blizzard easy, not travel! The country. The men loves fast food. You last chains, sure
I do not he's uniting what I've having ever, and I think that I have heard some credibility on this issue. As someone with eating habits of
and they'd western Republican, whose wife cries, because you won't go to the doktor, but that is precisely why it so appalling yeah.
look you should know better. I should know better solution. Resize cheesecake, factory menu by heart and early could really good
into culver's. You knew your way around culver's when we were in wisconsin. I did. I felt like a real expert now, so you should get some blizzards yeah anyway, anyway,
everyone was also sharing a abiden tweet from twenty nineteen were Biden was in a dairy queen and he knew what a blizzard was and he was a he took the blizzard he tapped it upside down
just what you didn't he added. So that's it. Apparently, what the people they, then he was offering it to everyone, but I'll drop. I think it's great that donald trump and Joe Biden are both to old guys who had
extremely weird la homes, but then can like try to do do relate above
Both do reliable stuff. Well, I think the Joe Biden has had a less weird life than donald trump in terms of like regular people stuff,
I think he's just being partisan, actually much more
when even say that about Barack Obama right right right but like Joe Biden, yeah, yeah, ok,
well anyway, let's talk about iowa, so trump lost, iowa, ted cruz and twenty sixteen I remember trump lost to iowa and twenty sixteen have forgotten until I was prepping for this, there was did TED cruz takers won. Something isn't that weird yes, but he sort of it was, and I I believe like he, it wasn't like a clean win
it wasn't like. We knew right away, was bewitched got kind of like, or was it like a shadow up winter and if no, no, no, not as bad as a shadow up? Why not, as that is what we did to help put a judge, lose two bernie, I believe is where would have? I don't remember what we do, but yeah ted crews, one island. The momentum made him as we all remember, unstoppable, so drunk lost. I
and then he steamer old, the rest of it.
We stayed on the way on the way to the nomination. How important do you think the status for him this time around sort of a tough question answer and we'll talk a little about the hairy and then story about iowa vs, new hampshire? It it just right now, if you look at the polling
and pawing at the state levels like pretty spare right now, it's hard to rely on, but right now, if you look at it, you can kind of squint your eyes and what you see is trump is dominating national a's.
Of fifty and may be eye when new Hampshire he's also dominating in some samples above fifty, but maybe there's like a little bit a weakness based on campaigning now beyond.
what can you say that I was going to matter? New Hampshire is going to matter. I just don't think we know right now, yeah, I think, there's two
it was a thought, an ilo one is if trump wines that stay after losing it in twenty sixteen and having been the front runner nationally for the whole race and having being basically the closest thing to an income, is like a clause incumbent and then the momentum makes him pretty tough to be. But I was
about this, and this could also happen. Trump wins iowa everyone else in the race, but may be the second or third place finisher drops out after ilo, and then people start thinking of trumps can win. The nomination new Hampshire does what new Hampshire often does
and does the opposite of iowa and then I didn't realize now resume your full month between new Hampshire in south carolina. So at that point, then trump has multiple court dates
and the media at that point gets bored of the ok trump one iowa me.
Trump won new Hampshire, or maybe he got a you know. Someone got a little closer in new Hampshire, now, there's a whole month between south carolina. Now, I do think at that point, like who's strong enough to beat trump in south carolina, that's where it gets dry, but I do think that month gets that month,
trickier for trump yeah, but that's the point you made in the middle there about his legal troubles. It's just! Then everyone gets, though republicans get all well it's more that like. Yes, there are some external factors that might weaken trump in ways that are outside of his control, but in the end the result will be less about the tactics of what was the sequence in italy.
Which candidates mounted a fight in new Hampshire, vs, iowa, vs, south carolina and more about like the underlying conditions of the race in which, at some point something happened that made trump weaker than he is right now,
Well that's what that harriet piece you mentioned and analyse it. Cnn just wrote a piece arguing that
opponents might have more luck in new Hampshire than iowa, because the data shows voters there.
Are more moderate. More college educated and welfare
they are in iowa. Would you think of harry argument?
no bad ideas in a brainstorm. Yeah I mean look at so the challenge there is: it's like donald trump starts in a much stronger position now than he was in two thousand and sixteen agree. If you look at the pulling out of new Hampshire in twenty sixteen by July of two thousand and fifteen roughly where we are right now, trump was starting to just dominate in the
polls roughly in the thirties. He stayed there did not move to election day in which he got in the thirties. Now John Cusack, we all remember him
and that was his best and final have been ohio yeah. The next time we saw him was in the the democratic national convention, video, so
so he was on his personal journey, but so you have to like look at that and say: okay, I think the point harry's making seems right, which is trump's coalition, has shifted the the the group of people he put together to win and twenty sixteen will look different than a group of people. He will put together a twenty twenty four. The mix will shift more conservative, but the problem is that shift belie
his strength across the board and across these categories? And so then you look at what happened in twenty. Sixteen, you say all right, well, ted crews. Where did he do while he did well in your places like idaho and kansas and iowa the place so kind of drew out? The more conservative and Evan Jellicoe voters now you're, starting from saying that terms, can do better with those people
right he's going to put together a coalition of some of his voters. Now, most of them say plus some of the TED cruz voters that leaves an opening, an opening for what someone's going to cobble together, people that have left trump, plus
cases group. So then you're gonna start looking where you know look to new hampshire massachusetts.
illinois, while nobody research, except for new Hampshire, about him, you to those states, it's like it's over by then, so I don't
I just don't understand how the math is gonna work when maybe
There is some weakness there and groups that he'd been strong with in the past, but his overall domination, just it has to change something on something in the current make up of of the republican electorate has to shift in a big way in a way that is bigger than tactically choosing between iowa new Hampshire, which right now, what kind of moving together anyway yeah. So harry mix too.
Points rate of note. I will hasn't been good at picking republican nominees in primary season, since nineteen eighty that didn't feature republican incumbent, the iowa winner, went on to win the nomination only twice dull and ninety six and w in two thousand, though, notably in both
since they had been the front runner before iowa, which trump is new Hampshire and the same time period picked five out of seven. But here's a table
Hampshire electorate it. It is more moderate. Then iowa owe it isn't
college educated. All those states are right, even if you look it pulls right now. I think there is a sansom pole from late june that showed like Christy's inferred now at five or six percent and new
I'm sure an christy's whinnying among or christians, doing a lot better among more model
if voters among Democrats ama, who might vote in the republican primary among college educated voters that still is like leaving him at five to six per cent for now. But then I was thinking about new hampshire below twenty twenty two in
senate, race, millionth republican voters nominated crazy, don baltic overtook, morse baltic forever
forgets. This was an election denier who wanted to abolish the fbi called Chris anew, the very popular republican governor of new Hampshire, a chinese communist sympathiser
baltic had no money didn't run single out on television and meanwhile, chuck morse focused most of his attacks on maggie hassen, not on both
beck, and his super pacs still ran millions and millions of dollars of ads against baltic and baltic one so clearly, the republic now that look, the electorate, the republican electorate in a midterm in new Hampshire is probably more conservative, then in a presidential primary, particularly
because I think independence and Democrats can vote in the new hampshire republican primary, so that could screw with a little bit. But there is a republican electorate in new Hampshire that is,
all in for election, denying crazy people any kind of like we had a sort of like you know,
cross like new england into upstate new york- and you see like this- is what at least to fuck has been grappling with an upstate new york. There is a trump be north east republican. That is all
in on this in their not evangelical mountains right there, not like social conservatives in that way, and some of them are but its trumpery in a different way, yeah and look an indelible that do not beat chuck morse by a lot. But he beaten by a couple points of my enough and and again
trump overall is stronger today than he wasn't twenty sixteen, and so what you are saying is not just that. What you're seeing is a weakness in groups hill that heap that he was strong and pass. You have to find so much weakness that it overcomes the advantages, he's all
bringing to the table. Because does anyone think right now that if the election was held in idaho or kansas, that doll trumpet
Can I pick up all those Angelica voters that in the past he lost even like there is very little good pulling out there, but you gotta florida. You don't find a descent,
cause. You know you go everywhere his his it's, the kind of like robustness, of trumps coalition that I think is making this a little people are afraid to say it sort of uneventful, but that's how it feels yet, which is why, like harry's point about the the difference in the electorate's between the two states, demographically is correct. Yes, but if you are a republican renege against donald trump and you have to figure out a strategy
it's still a to me. It makes more sense that strategy is. I have to stop him in iowa, because if trump loses in iowa, then maybe some of those trumpery new Hampshire voters are like oh well, rendezvous
is just one iowa, maybe he's a winner. Now it we ve been calling him a loser for a year, but maybe now he's a winner and maybe trumps, not the right time to do this, and you know he's
he's going to be on trial and maybe there's distractions and blah blah blah, and so I think, the that's their best hope of stopping trump and then hoping that in new Hampshire they pick up some of those voters right, but I think that I think that's all true.
It's just what, where we are right now they could obviously change is you would not see
right now that where this is being won or lost, his on tactics like oh, if only it started in new Hampshire, verses, alot, verses, Iowa trump has to be
mentally weakened as a candidate, either by his own failings or by some outside force, a legal that he does not. Control of and one of these people has to catch fire. Both of those things has to happen.
right now. Neither ones happening, yoda matter where you fuckin camp well know. I'm ended the look of all the things you just mentioned. The only thing you can control as a candidate if you're one of these other republican candidates is your own strategy.
The tactics route, write the story, you're, also, where you put your resources, shot right like where you're going to run most of your eyes, where you're going to spend all the money on advertising. What are you going to say about donald trump? How hard are you going to go donald trump? All those decisions will lead you to either
focus heavily on I or or new Hampshire me was like us and await right. We were like if we don't stop hilary in iowa. There's no obama
complete, like everything, goes, a dial of course, but I'm getting at is none of these campaigns. None of these campaigns,
you're, out of storytelling iowa, our story telling you have other. Oh that's just before we ve got inter
Where do you want to put our money? It isn't right now we're they are so far from having any hope of of get.
Of getting any traction and either state that's like where is. I was now we're about tactics right now, you're all your all flood foundering wireless argument. The stories
they're telling there's a new male peace being sent to islands back in iowa from a group called advance. Our values that the male peace thanks trump for standing up for algae bt, q rights. It calls him a
franz gender trailblazer and notes that he got a standing ovation for affirming gay rights at a more logical log, cabin republicans event. It seems like from looking at the male peace. It's ok,
less homophobic homoerotic version of the de santa sad that we talked about last week. I am so conflicted about it. Do you think it's any more effective? First of all, love a dirty trick that makes trump's team cause as bad. That is awesome. I wrote the pieces, so you can go google it because it's just like,
emphasis dead, rainbow behind trump and drums like thumbs up. I dont know why this is for other than by that I don't know it's. I don't know who this is for our, so this is like the longest tail of a stupid fucking. Twenty. Sixteen new cycle member there
At news cycle, where trump was going to be pro gay, and that was a whole story, there was like no he's, not he's been anti gay marriage since the year two thousand, and so is the longest tail. Since that news cycle we just went through what is it a week or week and a half ago, his supreme court handed yet another victory
right on the anti discrimination law in colorado. I don't whose persuaded by this, as you pointed out these things not be in one on on p
see right now around or even over who, which republican voters I got
supreme court handed banks to donald trump. The supreme court handed as a victory, because the now now someone can get a website for the game.
The boy being. No one is consuming any news attained down. Trump is pro gay
I don't know what hyper engaged iowa voter who's, trying to figure out how to vote for in July six months before anybody votes is being persuaded by e mail.
So just skills- I don't know- I don't know who forget about hyper, engage voters. I know who just like woke up yesterday from a five year coma would believe.
the donald trump as a transgender trailed rails, razor it just doesn't really then I'll, not satellite doesn't really path.
I like the dirty tricks where they say election days Wednesday, don't forget to show so so there.
Another group called when it back
that people running and have sometimes to club for growth. This group,
launching a multi million dollar. Add campaign in iowa in south carolina with a different antitrust message. Let's listen to the tv.
I'm not really a fan of. What's going on right now mean the Democrats
unbelievable. It's a mess that it's a hot mess,
Love donald trump: I love what he did once he got in my thought. It was a breath of fresh air.
He was attacked in all the time and it seems, like you know,
just seemed non: stop
the drama had affected. My family, I mean in out with me.
Sister didn't get invited to her thanksgiving after a while he's got some distractions. The constant fighting,
suddenly everyday and I'm not sure he can focus on leaving the country
The election is really important because we're going in the wrong direction, I mean we do
If somebody can freakin when I think a pile,
He said that if you voted for trial,
you want some as smart who actually knows how
build teams to solve issues
focus on the issues that really need to be fixed when it backpack is responsible for the content of this. What a cut back, what do they
that message it reminds me of one of like those on those are dog trainers that the dogs that have like that are just like huddled in the corner. Scared of all people, they're like come on, come on over his okay you'll, be okay kind of your ammo can not dangerous.
I never think about it, think about it. It's at it loses an argument. I I do think it's like you feel,
grappling with what the candidates
grappling with which is in order for any one to make any headway. Some of this has to be made. Some argument has to be made against trump to people that love trump and released experimenting with, like the David. All of the words urged clearly just so carefully chosen to be a little bit sand at all
I not a little bit normal to try to find a normal vernacular for discussing why trump is weak? So in that sense I think it's it's a it's a! It's the argument that they need to be making yeah it's funny cause. I totally agree with that and I think I think it is probably the best message about trump for a republican audience of voters who are open to supporting another republican other than trump. And so, if you are someone- and I'm sure this is this ad was made by people who listened to focus groups of republican voters who are not like die hard trump people and are definitely voting for trump and an ad makers and consultants and all the rest. And so I think it's all particular, but almost it the ad as good of a message as it is almost underscores the bigger problem, which is that, like you, can't, beat something with nothing and there's no, like you need an alternative to what that guy said.
That is appealing to those voters in all all that he offered in the ad is someone who can put together a team, someone put together a team and sign focus on issues and and then and not drama, which is like again. These are all the issues that people have with trump right, like he, its chaotic he fired off.
people on the way to see that they all turned on em. Everything was drama all the time he was it focuses above but like so then, what's the alternative
yeah I mean that is when I can't even get that. I think that's all true, but I was when I was struck on, is ok great europe
lowly easing republican voters into an argument like like a bath discern of time for this level of subtlety like they're, trying to like soften this group of people, and it feels like this was the work that they just did not do
for years right. This is trying to undo six and a half or more years of just total obsequious ness and a refusal to make this kind of argument- and I just I mean I have to say I don't know- I don't think you can do that with dark drums. An asshole narrate because
say that, but something like that, because clearly republican voters love donald trump and even if they're, going to back in
republican for the nomination. It's not going to be because they suddenly decided. Oh wait. We hate trump. Actually, you know it's going to be like it's going to be what that guy's, it's it's giving people a permission, structure which that guy did the beanie, which is like. Oh, I love donald trump too, and I liked what he didn't get offers, but then then it got a little crazy, but it's still it's still like you said it's still not sharpener flooding that like. If an argument like this is going to work, it's not going to be just because of ads like this. It's going to be because of aged of, and this is why I think the ad is good. It is
nine to replicate conversations. They think people are having the real conversations that people are having in the world. Now those conversations are going on. They really are right. You hear about them like they just that this bit curious is born of focus groups that had a group of republican, mostly trump voters, or makes a trump voters who talked about it in this way and they're trying to push that conversation, but you know we. I think that we just don't know like a cat. Is there? Is there any kind of momentum to that?
in that take on a life of its own and create space for another candidate, yup and then, and then one of them has to actually say why they should be prince august. So yeah and the key is you need to. You- need a candidate yeah. The this episode
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As from the super back when he was governor, the new york times also had a story over the weekend about how I was very popular governor, but very very popular with republicans, especially came reynolds
who has said that she will not endorse in the primary is being viewed by trumps team as neutral in name only when it comes to run to santas. Now, of course, after this near times, article than donald trump today was to think up a storm
and I, like him, riddled socks. It's not really subtle where he was they fit. What my drum things, I didn't tell us how the story at EU level to sound the story, despite all this trump has still raised about
fifty million dollars, more than rhonda santas over a longer period of time, but still
has a lot more endorsements and
beating him by double digits in every state, Paul and national level.
So when maria by romo asked santa's about his struggling campaign over the weekend, here's what he said, but here's, this weekend's headline friendly political playbook failure to launch.
florida governor rhonda, santos is aimed to topple. Donald trump has stalled. We are we
behind says a top dissenters pack official sounding the alarm. What happened
maria. These are narratives,
the media does not want me to be the nominee. I think that's very, very clear. Why
They know I'll, beat Biden, but even more,
Fortunately they know I will actually deliver on all these things principle. I think
two click the laugh, goose and just played every time we talk about worthless additives, its I give it they a goose, goofy,
A book burning the malignity anyone it there was a disney jochen there to somewhere else, but anyway, we'll figure it out. Does that believable at all
I want the santas fantasy spin. I think it's been that you know that the media doesn't want him to win. The media is want him to have his he's going to succeed,
if he wins, as it is obviously ridiculous, but where he where I do like, I do think he is right, it's very extremely frustrating to be trying to make a case against donald trump, and every question is about why you can't and won't make an effective case against donald trump like that is a shitty doom loop for any candidate to be in, though,
he needs like that is the environment. That is what is happening. People are falling around waiting for him to seem weird and fuck up and he's in that doomed, because he has been making shitty arguments by donald trump and is quite strange. Also, I mean I I was thinking back to again how many interviews like this Barack Obama had in in two thousand and seven, and
and the difference is that, on the part of our spend, it was a little more believable. Is that in those states
polls, particularly in iowa, not so much in new hampshire, but in Iowa we were a lot closer to hillary than Ronda. Santas is to Donald trump right now, and I think, if dissenters and eight like it's it's getting late to say it's still early. But I guess you could say that if he was closer,
some of these state Paul's? Maybe he can, you know maybe it'll morbidly will and if people than just just didn't know him yet thought, but his name, I D, is so high in his favour. Ability rating, which I thought would help him among republican voters, is also quite ha, is written, is favourably rating nationally is is bad, which doesn't bode well for his his liked ability arch myth, but but republican voters it it's looking like they like, like Rhonda santa's, just fine but they're. Just not sold on him as the is the candidate. How much you think are matters that descent
does seem to have quite a bit of money and and might have the quiet support of Kim Reynolds John, and we all remember how big of an influence terry brands tat had on the twenty. Sixteen from a new member. You, everybody said right. What are you tell the people at errand sets
I joined sixty and I barely remember terry branstad and you don't remember the legendary influence of former iowa republican governor terry branstad. I also didn't know that trump made him ambassador to China. Yes, trump did make an ambassador to China, which I didn't realize either, which is strange. Well, I think so.
right before the iowa carcasses, terry brand said was asked. Do you think I were should vote against TED cruz because his position and ethanol
I said yes, so he didn't endorse anybody, but he endorsed voting against ted cruz, who won the iowa caucus. So you know the influence the influence of an endorsement him from popular governor. Maybe it maybe it helps, but also, let me tell you what cameras is going to do here. Kim Reynolds is maybe she supporting dissenters right now, she's, not an idiot she's, not going to come out and say she's four. Now scientists when he is shitting the bed. If dissent is catches fire in his suddenly very close to trump in the polls
as we get closer to o'clock with, maybe she show some political courage and comes out and endorses dissenters, but she's going to do it now, so he's not going to have her support unless something changes, and it's not her endorsement, that's going to make something
However, that is a busy he's getting restaurant rags wreck liquids. He get it from this
so I don't either that helps that much what we should. What do the money you know, national?
campaigns can't save terrible movies that soon bomb
and the money would matter it all. Look rhonda santa's. He is a fundamentally unappealing person, but his arguments, bad
simple. You know you gotta get one of those things right. Look we all like there have been charismatic politicians and they are not always the best speakers, John
you would say as one of them Joe Biden can be one of them, but they dont always make them
his argument, and then there are our politicians that are super mild, mannered and nerdy and kind of not those charismatic people, but the methodical and disciplined and smart and effective way
I would what is Rhonda santa's bring to the table here. I don't know how much money have. No, I
I think the money ensures that he can stay in the race for as long as he wants to embarrass himself so because it's gonna its there's a lot of these candidates that either drop out before I look as though
just didn't have the money or they don't do well in iowa, and then they drop out. You have as much money as render centers. You could probably stay in for a little while right when his florida, when is the floor.
I think it's probably it's. Either superpowers thereafter butts cedar merger after that, so
I it's. I think, even before that I think once again this month between,
new hampshire in south carolina, I think once
with carolina and then nevada happen you're sort of in unless, unless something like this, unless something fundamentally changes and suddenly it's a neck and neck race between donald trump and rhonda santos, in which case it's a long primary which
can happen unless you're in that scenario, then, like us, rendezvous not sick in iran
which raise gaze having a joint work as one that yeah and remember job bushes. Super pack spent a hundred million dollars hundred million
dollars, and just it is amazing to think back to twenty sixteen and look at that and say man, if only Republicans had an alternative as charismatic and its job bush. No, it's I give JEB bush were have the same level of charisma, but was a bigger, asshole yeah. That's right!
He's a yeah, ok, okay, sure, that's what you and his answer so far yeah. I agree that now, Chris Christie, our boy chris Christie, he continues to take a different approach to trump than dissenters or the rest of the field. Here he is on fox news: responding to trump's iowa event
he doesn't care about. The american people he's even see droned on for an hour and a half yesterday in iowa he lied about the form deal with the chinese.
They haven't even replied with a quarter of what they agreed to Donald trump to do in terms of buying soybeans
and other things from the farmers in iowa any spent. The rest of the time talking about his own indictment
This is that somebody is fighting for the american people and their future. This is all
that his ego, what he cares about the most is trying to undo
the loss he had to do.
binding twenty twenty. But since these are
three time loser having lost
twenty eighteen, the house
representatives, whilst the white house
and the senate in twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, he was up losing two more governor ships.
Another seat in the senate, and we
barely one, the house by five votes when in fact
We had a president whose popularity was a thirty five percent, so he's in this for himself.
and if self, only guess that'd met
back. Here is what's interesting about that to me, because we just talked about that and from both the winter when it back super pack, add which either we both decided was not quite sharp enough.
Chris Christy's doing the opposite of that. He does not have dissent as his money polling, not that it's that enviable body cells still not pulling like two centres or endorsements, but do you think he is
message now that he has a story, has a message, credit ultimate.
help him Volta head of the house. I want to look at what is this actually incurred
when we had of that add, even though it was this a sharper argument. It is an argument against donald trump is an argument for Chris Christie, one of his chief lackeys in toadies
until did until the moment, trump personally try to fucking kill em, so will republicans here. What christmassy says I dont know will lead to people to say, and there
or he's the person. I want you here and are you, unlike than from Chris Christie, and you find a compelling. I dont know why that leads you to vote for Chris Christie verses round the sand. If it makes you look for an alternative, but whether or not it's just look at what christmassy saying catches any traction at all, it is an open question as to whether it leads people to come to him or just leave people to look to anyone but yeah. I think if Chris Chrissy is truly on a comical emission and nothing else, then that's that
yeah. If Chris Christie genuinely believed that he could there's a chance, he could win this thing, then the only strategy I can imagine here is alright. I will kick the shit out of donald trump, because I need to do that number one to make the argument and number two. I need to get attention.
And now get the attention and then once you get the attention than you start making the case for yourself. That's the only strategy that I can think of their the problem. For him, of course, is his unfavourable holes with republican voters are quite high exit
in new Hampshire he's doing a little bit better because of that electorate. As we talked about him because he's there he's he's really there, except by the way, that's what he did in twenty sixteen. He lived in new Hampshire right. Fifty five percent of republican voters in new Hampshire think the election was stolen from donald trump. This is back to our new hampshire, not so moderate conversation. So if you have that
support, or at least a year of that many people of his election deniers in new Hampshire in your chris Christie? Now you see that this is this is the conundrum that they office
even if they are all running perfect campaigns in her great candidates with stories. Whenever else is that they are dealing with an electorate where the majority of the republican electorate, love donald trump thinks he did greatest president and thinks he actually won the last election, and
That's what they think, then why would they go for someone else? That's the problem
Now I mean in the end, in the NBC Paul nationally Christie his favour. Billowy is among republican voters. Thirteen percent favourable forty three percent unfavourable yap, so that's, what's tough, the army had to think ok, you're, counting on the fact that you say right, let's say trumpets. You say trump is
sub fifty in new Hampshire, you're working with a little bit over a majority that is still undecided between the alternatives and in fairness to people that believe there is a possibility in the same way, we're saying that saying descent is his name. Ideas, high down, trump's name ideas, one hundred percent. So if there are people in new hampshire being asked who they're gonna vote for and the not saying, Donald trump that mean something right
easy to say, gonna vote for donald trump right now. They're, not then you say: okay, yes, a majority of people in the republican primary now say that the election was stolen, but they also have been trained by their boss. To perform. Loyalty on this question is a shibboleth for
demonstrating your fealty to the republican cause and at those people, while they may say that, and even maybe think that it's not the most important issue to them. The most important issue to them is winning, and so then the case has to be from Chris Christie. Not only is donald trump weak. Not only does he not deliver, not only is he going to lose, I'm the one that's going to win and here's how I do it. I'm a more charismatic and interesting and popular and moderate seeming round the senate and like let's do Chris Christie's fantasy scenario. The best case for Chris Christie right so ron Desantis his campaign just collapses in, and we see that in iowa, right and donald trump.
Our rhonda santa's either comes in second or third, maybe even worse, and everyone else is out of money, and so you get the tim,
gods and Nicky Haley's? Maybe they drop out at this point or maybe they're out of money or whatever else, and then you go to new Hampshire and now Chris Christie saying: ok, I'm if I'm donald
mean down from one on one and somehow Chris Christie pulls off a when a new hampshire targets or its close right, or he does bet like yo in twenty and twenty sixteen iowa, yes, Tom cruise wins I about, but you know it was
by a couple points with trump and rubio right behind they go to new Hampshire, and it's not just that. Yeah trump only gets so trump gets thirty. Five per cent of new Hampshire, not exactly a blow out, but the nearest person is John casey who's. Almost twenty points behind him with cruz and rubio. Barely breaking ten, it's up it's as close,
it is a donald trump defeated them after losing an. I would gave him momentum going from there, but if you can imagine trump wins out of eye when he goes to new hampshire. There's a surprising finnish for one other person like Chris Christie, then there's a whole period of time to campaign, for
and up in south carolina, but that's the problem, but it south carolina uganda, let's just but I dont gave it to me- and I was just pretend Chris Christie winds, new Hampshire that doesn't even covered. Second
the winner of the new Hampshire primary and then he's going to go to south carolina and face that electorate which is like as that's not a chris Christie.
After he had their booing wendy grandma. Somehow is it's not that it's a badge is so that's why it's tough. Now, let's go back to roger centres, so let's say run to santas just starts talkin like Chris Chris.
Yeah that work
While there is something about dissent, as is trying, he is designed, as is a smart person. The one thing I guess he has
he's trying to put together an argument that is against tromp. That implies and then give him a chance to make. The argument has for himself right the christmas. The argument when it was just pure,
anti trump. He doesn't ever come back to. If he does, he doesn't get pickup, but the core of his argument is just anti trump. It doesn't really reflect well on him to santas. His anti trump argument is meant to be a mirror of his proto santas argument. So yeah I mean I guess, if dissenters seemed a little bit more folksy and charismatic and off the cuff, while making a slightly sharper version. That still does
still was kind of trying to make the argument for what how great he is and how well he's done in in Florida could be worse than what assent is doing right now I would does it is doing right now is running a version of the crews campaign from twenty. Sixteen when tankers was like donald trump, not the real conservatives, social concerns
If he's this a manhattan billionaire right now, I'm the real conservative and I'm the evangel boat and de Santis is trying to run to Donald trump's right on that, and I think that's dumb, because I don't think that republican voters
voting based on policy or even ideology. At this point, traditional social conservative ideology. I think what christie has that smart in his message is the donald trump is in it for himself and power.
Is that, like the you know, it's the drama in which the the guy was getting at in that ad right? There's news drama around trump does too, and if, if I was ron de santis, I would be saying Donald trump is in it for himself.
and look at me. Look what I did in florida, I'm in it for people these. These are the victories that I delivered in this guy. Only he only cares about himself. He only cares about his own shit all the time he selfish of the end, and I'm actually, you know going to deliver on stuff for you in as opposed to trying to position himself to trump's right. One thing which I just don't think people are going to believe and I don't necessarily think it's gonna work
yeah. I think that's nk. I think the santas need a little bit more nuanced than that, because I think that's one piece of it. I think he's trying and it's not mattering to kind of just outflank trump on policy and just take that off the table. I am the true conservative. If those are what you these are the issues you care about. I'm your person turns out
a lot to be done, have a home, but he is also making an argument. Does it in the book he was doing it, he was doing it in some speech around not having chaos around gate keep your head downward.
Getting things done, delivering yeah that these are all. But that's coming through. You write that day's part is our aim. It is, but it is yes but argument now, as you know, trends change under trailblazer. Well,
we don't know that
Look, I add area around from her. Yes, the other african yes enters casey to santas, with just this unhinged thermometers coming
if children are coming for your children's thing, which is just a reminder and look, we can disagree on certain things. As a country, you can't let a disney adults within one hundred fucking miles of the white house as dangerous.
It's dangerous, crazy to answer them is a video there for people who are already of it with his indus came campaign put out the casey dissenters tweeted, that's just all about, like
In fact, she wanted to like forcibly mask our children's get kids crying with masks on, and
And you know like gay pride parades and is very it's just it's very it's just
it's a little over talked the ice sound, a little retort. It's like it's like its anti
anti trans anti gay anti science fash porn. I guess it's just this very. She look at that
she was the one who put out that video that was like on the eighth day, god sent a fighter which basically saying I like sent, got that
literally Rhonda. Santas is god's gift to us. So
would say that god, Gaza should give her like a fifth receipt in the bag. But
I dont think her arm
judgment is often and steadily arsenal. Alright, let's talk about our pal Joe Biden, okay, he's in europe this week for a meeting with king, charles and a nato summit, neither of which we're going to talk about since it's timed perfectly with tommy's vacation, but the president did
of a busy couple of days before he left he visited a clean energy manufacturing company in south carolina republican congressmen, Joe Wilson's district, now that your wilson company
adding jobs because of the inflation reduction act. That Wilson voted against,
and by and got a pretty good laugh when he announced that he'll be visiting another Republicans districts in since I took office. We sit over. Sixty domestic manufactured allows all across a solar supply chain, one of the biggest indulged george. You may find it hard to believe that smart retailer reached mister I'll, be there for the groundbreaking. What do you think of buying strategy of doing events in these?
strict held by republicans who voted against various parts of it and, as always, saying one thing that I didn't understand about politics until a mood DC inserted working in politics is how much of official washing ten you congressional offices, senate offices, the white house, how much of it is trying to fix
about ways to get the media to talk about policy just day in and day out, press releases events chuck Schumer going to a gas station every sunday.
Just your favorite examine my favorite example. Just like everybody trying to figure out a way to get coverage on. You know the stuff, that's less fun and less easy to cover than poem
all the rest- and this is just a great way to do that- it just gets pick up. It's funny it it. It highlights republic in opposition to very very popular things. It gets and otherwise politically not interesting trip for reporters to see more interesting. So it's like
it's great, so I dont think that people voters generally care, unfortunately about charges of hypocrisy now, because the idea that oh, a republican, voted against this bill and then went to the groundbreaking and took credit,
for the clean energy facility that is getting more money and creating jobs. What a fucking surprise- and I think people do that about democrat stooge. Voters are very cynical about politicians in general, but I do think that voters, care or voters can care about Biden's message that he is helping people and creating jobs in places that did not vote for him, and that is
very good contrast to donald trump and possibly ron de santis, whose message basically is like we are running for president of red america and red america only and if you don't vote for us, we're not for you we're not going to help you out. Fuck off and Biden is trying to go out there and say, like you can vote for me, you cannot vote for me. I'm still going to come to your district and I'm still going to try to help you out. I'm still going to try to make your life easier yeah. I think that's all true, but even before you get to that which is actually like a like a slightly more sophisticated understanding of what's happening beyond just hate. This bill, you may have heard a little bit about it- is
good. It has good things for our state. You might not have known that before now: hey, there's, a local news coverage. It's going to show you that we're groundbreaking on something you didn't realize was going to be affected by a bill that got passed in washington, there's just sort of like the basics. Yet this helps get people get in people's minds that they might not have known about well any even the way he handled that, though, by you know, making a joke about it like he could have gone there and been likened and Joe Wilson,
voted against this because he doesn't care about you and marjorie taylor, green vertigo and I'm going to go, but instead he was just like yeah I'll go to the groundbreaking, it's great. And so, if you catch that on the local news, is it going to win over a bunch of tolkien's, probably not, but the other a few people who might be like? You know what it's hard to really hate that guy yeah, so that I I like it binds other big political challenge aside from the economy
course the perception that he is too old to run again. He addressed that directly on friday, when seen in four reads: korea asked him whether he should quote step
side and let another generation of Democrats take the baton. The president answered quote: one thing that comes with age is some wisdom. I just want to finish the job and I think we can do that in the next six years. There were also pictures of Joe Biden at the beach over the weekend, as even a folder called
axis where he was rocking polo and a short bathing suit that lead to quite a few social media jokes, including this viral tweet quote. If he keeps me,
into the frat guy energy will be a landslide. Donald trump may have inadvertently helped burnished that image.
by today, accusing Joe Biden of doing the cocaine that was found in the white house quote in order to give his presidency a little life and energy. What do you think
is an eighty year old president who rips lines that were hopeless and five inch in seem bathing suit and aviators. Is that the kind of leader we need right now
a boyfriend. I need right now.
yeah, but by the way but women,
our five engine seems shorts franny either. The frank frank guys have belong
sure it's either? These realized it out with excel anymore? Ah great,
I also think Biden there's something about
by news like the perfect kind of eighty year old, in that in half his pictures. Look sixty and have, as visual is a fuckin hundred. Well it's funny because from the same trip he used he's always on the beach with jill the first lady and there's a bunch of people around him and unlike secret services, there too, but like he's just,
if, like mingling with the other beachgoers and he's, got a shirt off and and and he is looking a little older there and republicans are sending that around and then Democrats are sending around the picture where he's in the bathing suit
his palos aviators eyes, even looking pretty fat guy,
you look great
yeah. It's depends on how you catch up at an angle thing, but who among us, who am I exactly so relatable, so
after this, but there is actually a real political story today with the headline the testosterone primary of twenty twenty four is getting out of hand.
and the story is all about how- and this is the quote from a story. The presidential contest his
reigned into a frenetic, fit boys summer side, quest in which candidates are drawn fewer contrasts on policy in proving more keen on comparing feats of strength. The peace also included one of the worst sentences. I have ever read in a political story in my life, but here it quote: thirst traps are a new wedge issue: thirst traps,
who wedges you agree or disagree. Ah, so I am not in a dignified out with a response, but I do think this combines like two things. One is there are few candidates who are?
like there's one candidate that republic in may
who's running a love of france's suarez who, like godson headlines, kazi, he looked fit on a job, and then you have are of key junior, doing low wait, bent presses with his talked out old body seems chemically enhanced were note of x
in just a steroids but dies worth keeping in mind and again, like listen, I'm not really very interested in doing like lizard brain strong person, good leader,
in know like I get really think we need to. Unfortunately, summer pub Barletta republican voters probably are yeah accepts except their kid there. Their favorite person.
world is a failure as a seventy eight year old man, he's afraid of hills and famously is allergic to exercise and orders his his burgers well done and
as another hasn't had a real sal that wasn't a fucking iceberg wedge and twenty five years, so they don't think they really care about it. All that much the Francis suarez thing is very funny when he he's who he he was bragging about. His sixth place finish what he called his sixth place finish and a five k, and it turns out he actually placed eighty seventh and the six that he got his sixth place finish was in the was in his age group in the age group was forty five to forty nine still pretty good. Six are still pretty good. That's just that's just that.
five years with its off up the man. Why there's a there? Is somebody actually interesting happening which is theirs? I, like I kind of like
a right wing discourse
runs from like Joe rogan to Jordan,
peter, said a little bit. Some of the kind of pro tromp right at the little fascistic around like real tucker carlson's, like
Real men are strong and a they. They have tightened.
And they don't need vegetables, but it's like you on Moscow online challenges. First of all, he called mark Zuckerberg, a cock, tweeted that and then followed up, came back to his tweet.
as we all do like the next day, responded to the tree and challenged him to a quote literal dick measuring contest. Yeah, you started just I mean. Obviously that's ridiculous
and I don't think they should do it. For you start thing is like before the cage match after that. Is there some sort of way? That is that something will do is: is who's going to do the measuring visitor some kind of prisoner who signs up for that fucking, job, yeah and alderman? And it's like all these, like this endless like ridiculous? It's it is this like, like the the it does
feed into this, like that they really dont know how to be men. Any more. I mean you on march twenty that whole new cycle aware whose being closed down
an agent on a boat where he looked chubby and so the next thing he knows what he's talking about being an olympic hope, it's working for him, it just a guy's therapy, get therapy.
Talk about what being a man means to you in that room get some guidance on there. I mean them. The more serious flip side to all this is binds with age comes wisdom, argument and his team has been telling reporters. They intend to make that case. Sort of like on background, you see a nordic gold. This was the first time I think we ve heard it from
himself? What do you think of that argument? So I think the I think he is the first time he's doing it outside of the correspondence inner, yet where he did it, there
Oh right, yeah, there was any sort of joking there, but with a was it was them with what he said. I'm not old and wise, or whatever some version of that I was the one that
but the don lemon, I'm not over
I am over the hill, or I'm not a pro in my prime or whatever, the hell, I'm in my prime, but I think have like really. They are aware that this is his biggest weakness as a candidate right. Like we've talked about this, they clearly are trying to figure out their way to navigate it. Part of it is going to be with jokes and trying to play
down which is doing a great job of doing, has this kind of go to lie now actually
great about it. Actually, like previous his argument, radio is like a guy may be too,
years old. I never seen anything like this before, which is a way
describing your vast wisdom and experience. Are these great? I think it's the right way to talk about the issue there. Just there not running from it the way they were before
yeah me whether they ran but they're they're they're, recognising that they have to hit if it had. All I need is much better to own the benefits that come with age than to run around constantly trying to prove that you are not as old as you are he species. What he should say is amount unwise and
You may not know this, but my ears, nose and scrotum are still growing. Oh my god, what that's a that's! That's a part of aging. That is a part of aging. There was also an axial salary today,
so there's that there there was also knows where you started. So he knows I thought we were going into another. Oh, no! No, no, yes, more room for coke to go up! Is that your point? This guy knows what a blizzard is. Yeah too many cocaine, jokes. Alright, there was also an axios story. Today, a very long axial street was like most of the axios
morning, newsletter about how Biden apparently has a a quick trigger temper with his staff during meetings? And so it's all about you know, people are prepared.
heard he's young at them. He still easier
Grilling them is getting angry, always imply
that you know, and it in the story said the one point, some biden, aids think the president would be better off occasionally displaying his temper in public as a way to assuage voter concerns that the eight year old president is disengaged and too old
office. So what do you think should bind be more of a dick yeah? They because, like those full clarinet napoleon
that'd, be cool. Now, worst of all in front of the show, TIM Miller pointed out that the anecdotes in the story were all pretty old. It was like one
was yelling at Jeff science when he was covered tsar about the lack of covert test.
which doesn't seem like a mourning fit of pique? It seems like a deep frustration with a policy. Failure on the part of the government seems quite fair seems like a big deal and also that person and designs became chief of staff, and then the other anecdote was about fundraising during the two thousand and eight campaign, which is pretty far back to go for bind to lose his temper. That said, like you, know, there's a lot
ways to show that you're energetic without losing your should it people. I personally know what they are, but people tell me
exactly
they try some of those it to me as a little bit part of the kurdish we're just having about like the trying to out masculine of the
take masculinity that the republican cancer doing like seeing
how old man is, is not a great image. I dont think grumpy old man, young kids.
get off your lawn. Is that much better,
We d, I don't either. I think, when Biden shows passion about injustice that republicans are causing or trying to help people like when he's energetic on the stump, like I gotta go back to the state of the union speech. Some of his democracy speeches like I think, that's good. That kind of energy is good,
but I don't think just like yelling being outraged. All the time is good. I realize that, like some people of our partisan persuasion might like that, you know show a little anger. I don't think that I don't think most most voters want that yeah, and I also I like. I again, I think his joking about going to marjorie taylor green's district is going to be much more effective than yelling about marjorie taylor and also just sorta like past. Results are indicative of future performance of his best moments that have been energetic have been him, mixing it up with republicans, but with a smile on his face, some of his worst moments in,
public life over the last fifty years have been the moments that like followed him because he lost his temper and yelled at somebody on a rope line had a bad moment. I don't think like it's all well and good,
say like oh, when he gets angry and test like that that that that, like wait, till you see it and by the way, some of his best moments in public life have been when he has shown kindness and compassion in grace to people. Many of them who ve lost someone like he has lost people in his life and those are his very best moments when he is when he's quite kite. You know
So I you know, I don't I don't think he should be a dick now. I agree unless he like, he could start an only fans. He has the bathing suit yells at people for money. I guess for fundraising: does that is little
candy a little extra, my little spending money for the weekend
We had to have a son little blow if he can afford it s his boss once said,
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She a state senator from delaware, running for the democratic nomination to represent delaware in the house. Sarah Mcbride welcome to the pod banks,
for having the long time, listen our first time collar or well,
So your announcement video talks a lot about family medical leave and coffee. It does not mention that you would be the first out trans person to serving congress at a time when the country is in this massive debate about trans rights and trans acceptance
a little bit about why you made that choice and, more broadly, how you think about the role identity plays in the campaign shore? Well, obviously, I'm incredibly proud of who I am I found to be trans and that background that experience is an important one that I bring to the table, but it is just one part of my life experience. It's just one aspect of the experiences and perspectives that I'll bring to the table in congress.
this. Ultimately, I'm not running just make history I'm running to make a difference. I'm not running to be the transgender member of congress. I am running to make progress on all of the issues that matter the delaware ends up and down the state, and I wanted to raise
force that four people. I knew that the media would talk about my trans identity. I knew that the media would focusing on the historic nature of this campaign,
but I wanted to focus in on the issues that I've been thinking about as a state senator that I've been working on. That
in delivering on and the issues that we focused on in congress like early childhood, education paid family, a and medical leave, gun safety and reproductive rights. So one thing you ve talked about is that one of the reasons trans issues of have come to the force. So much is because there is an effort on the right to manufacture a lot of outrage
fear around this. Now I, when I worked for a centre, Hillary clinton- and this is a memory that almost twenty years old now so I may get the details a little bit wrong, but she was really proud of the fact that she was gonna work with every cent a republican. She could accept. First, sacks be chaplets, because I,
speech chambliss ran out about max cleveland that maligned him in a despicable,
way, even though he had lost three of his limbs when serving in vietnam. Now you would be serving in a house with a majority. That's gone full disgusting on eligibility q issues. How do you think about fair that this comes to you, but it would
You would be deciding basically the boundary right between like. Are there people that you wouldn't work with, because they're heinous or they're people that you would just view as a challenge like? How would you think about that yeah? Well, first off. I think it's important that as a member of congress, who's a first
a particular community. We demonstrate that we can
do the job that were elected for, and that includes a willingness to work with your colleagues.
Now. I think there are republicans in congress who won't work with a single democrat, but I actually I'm willing to roll up my sleeves dive into the details and work with people who I may disagree with on every other issue. If we can find common ground,
the issue before us. I think when I ran for the state senate here and our people thought that there was no way that I be able to work with more moderate members of the democratic party, let alone conservative republicans, but I'm actually proud that of every bill. Almost every bill that I have introduced and passed in the delaware state senate. I've been able to pass those bills with by partisan.
parties, including major democratic priorities like paid leave, and then I've been able to find common ground with the Senate republican leader on expanding access to rural health care. We work really closely on issues of origin,
and so I think there are issues outside of the headlines outside of the evening news to the degree of people so watch leaving news were Democrats and republicans can actually work together. But, yes, there is no question that there are real divides and real partisan divisions and ultimately, let their pettiness contrast with my desire for progress. What their cruelty contrast with. What I believe is is at the heart of my politics, which is compassion and let that contrasts serve as a visual representation of the fact that they have absolute
ITALY, no policy, proposals for workers and families in this country and that their attacks on trans people, their lack of willingness to engage with with me, is meant to appeal to a small faction of an ever shrinking republican party and a distract from their policy failures. Is there like a little part of you that, like
to be on the house floor and see some of these people and maybe not working with them day to day but like high.
I'm sorry, I'm not a monster, I'm not a! You know that that that has to be a little bit exciting yeah. Absolutely I mean look at it should be uncomfortable for these people to push forward. These types of policies is,
very easy to do that when there is no one from the impact of community and the spaces that your in they should have to look me in the eye
they should have to answer my questions when I'm up on that day, as they should have to seek my vote on certain things, particularly if we're in the majority's they should have to work with me and spend time with me and be in spaces with me, so that they can feel bad about what they're doing and even though some might not a lot of them
A lot of them will feel bad when they have to look me in the eye, because they're doing this for political game, they don't actually believe in these horrifically cruel policies,
and so that, one of the reasons why representation is so important because it change
the conversation it changes the priorities and it changes policies so centre
christmas. If he got him a little bit of kerfuffle of you saw this, but he can put out a twitter pole and what he said was there a lot of social conservatives who believe in populist economic policies, and it would be a good idea to have those people a part of the democratic left coalition and accept a bit more interim movement. Friction on cultural issues as a consequence. Now he clarified this and said there should be no compromising on algae, bt, q rights but
If we want to build a majority that brings in people that may be agree on raising the minimum wage agree on expanding the social safety net, but aren't with us on social issues are door should be open to those people in part, because maybe we can persuade them as someone who is very clearly thought about,
persuasion? What do you make of that argument? Do you agree with it do disagree with it? I think there is no question that we as a party as elected officials,
never compromise, on basic human rights. I think there is no question that our party, when it comes to candidates, that we should support, should have sort of threshold questions and basic human rights should be one of those threshold question
I do think that as a society as in
Visuals as citizens, we do have to maintain and actions with people who disagree with us who might
be there yet- and yes that includes on issues that I might personally
trouble with comprehending why someone might be on the opposite side of it from me, but in order
to have social change. We need some level of connectivity we can allow for
his bonds to dissipate so much that no one sporting them accountable that no one's having conversations with them in opening their minds and changing their hearts on I'm on these issues
and I also think that the reality is that to govern. You have to build coalitions that have diversity of thought in those coalitions, and maybe on that one issue before you you're like minded, but you didn't
on other issues, and so I think we have to be able to hold both of those truths in our approach to politics that we have first principles on these issues when it comes to whom we elect and how we operate as a party, while also recognising that both their our citizens, but also alternately, people that we might have to work with you get elected who disagree with us on some fundamental questions, but for whom we can find common ground with on the issue before us. So you pushed back up
and now there are people who, I think have made a pretty kind of. I dunno I travel a little too quickly from a to b to say, you're, a trans person. You know the Biden's you change job,
islands, mountain underhand issues, think that's it that's it. That's seems like a law to ask of one person. Can you at least take any credit for getting him into two shorts with a five inch in seem.
Listen, if you ask my friends, I'm the last person that could take credit for any kind of cutting edge fashion that someone's wearing, but I'm incredibly proud to call Joe Biden a friend
ally in I've. Seen some of this, this coverage, I ve, been asked about it a lot our relationship and I think you're right it's if it is, it is not one person and it's not one relationship. I truly think it's. This president's big,
heart- and I also well say I think it's him carrying on his son, both legacy, who I had the chance to work for when he was
for any general and also work with in pushing forward and non discrimination bill here in delaware to protect the algae, bt q community and I think Joe Biden feels closer to bow when he's carrying on his legacy.
when he's carrying on his work. And so I think a lot of credit doesn't just go to. The president's big hearted also goes to the president's late son giver of fun
or goofy Biden story. You can share a moment where it calls you kid at a time that makes no sense and when he got a man well out I'll, tell you that the first time I met the president-
I was eleven years old and I met him at a pizza shop in delaware.
And he ripped out a schedule that he had from the day and signed his name
on it and it was my prize possession and I might have been the only eleven year old in the united states,
Who was cherishing a schedule that had the nomination of thomas pickering on it, but my favorite Joe Biden story is funding one. It's it's in twenty eight thirteen january, twenty thirteen at them
full observatory. I had just come out as trans and I was
still very nervous. I was just finishing up my internship in the way
house- and I saw the vice president then add at from a distance
and he pulled me in and said always so proud of you jealous so proud of you, I'm so proud of you. The whole family is so proud of you, and I just want to know kid.
Are you happy- and I said I was happy and he said that made him so happy and gave me the biggest tug well, Sir mcbride. Thank you so much for being here.
Ah, so good getting too heavy on the show and die
that gives you raised a lot of money really quickly. We are we
I've been incredibly grateful for all the folks who visited Sarah mcbride dot com to donate and volunteer and help us at momentum, as we watch this campaign
ok I'll, let you get it in all things, rayner how go on thanks so much
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