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you hey in your heart and your mine and your spirit in your soul days. Now, I'm in a play, the part of the listener its He asked me that question I'd be like I'm kind of a solid thursday person where you can This Ain'T- I was literally a catholic, a thursday as the good, the good milk, as my therapist how's it. Yes, it's like there's still potential. You have one more day of work, but you're kind of grateful that you're close knit out yeah yeah, and you like, planning the weaker and, unlike its all right in front of you, a me sid heiress, the wonderful amazing it is it s just like pose some instagram now, like gifts that are supposed to translate into the days of the week so like monday, is always again some of my getting hit over Fuckin head with, like barbell and falling over fridays, are celebratory obviously, but thursday

are the ones that are like it's coming like a freight train. Yes, here comes yeah, that's it! It's excitement, there's so much potential. You can pretend that you're gonna go to like a roof. bar at some point this weekend. This will be the weekend you put on your big fella, highly idlers, you're fucked, you do those hot roller, have long curls in your hair and you go to the rooftop or you know what I actually did last weekend and I followed through with it, which is not like me at all. tat I fuckin can did the whole thing. I got cookie a babysitter ache. My dad. The whole thing. Went inside the golden girls live rags shown. Yet with now other than Jackie, be as be arthur. Who oh my guide, I never seem better. Acting in my life

jackie beat. I know I've done this brag before began lackey be worked on the first writing. By ever had it was a catch show for the w b, and I truly thing Jackie might be the funniest person on the planet, like the sharpest mind, the fastest mine, but then also like this incredible singing voice. Really, just like one of the great I talk about jack, you be the lot and brag about jack. It took me that Jackie beats show a long time ago, and I was like blown but you know who else was in it, of course, sam pancake, as Estelle getty, just killed it and sherry vine as the amazing remit lenihan, but none other than exactly rights, rising demand, as as the cutest betty. Why I have ever picture at it was like the cutest fucking thing, so rob was standing in for drew druggie. Yes exactly, some like by the end of the show I was like shy and starstruck

and there's a photo with fuck him exactly rights care, clinkers went together, and I'm like blushing, I'm so excited to be about with them. Yeah. That's awesome! She's I mean to so talented, but that show also it's a kind of thing or you don't even have to have that much of a huge attachment or deep fan ship of yeah. The golden girls to Just have it be like hey. Did this play in your house when you were a trade, because you will get this and you will like this, and energy around. It is so like fun times. Summertime find time will everyone saying the intro together a whole theatre of people, yet word for word, even though some of us are kind of confused on a certain sentence here, they're sang along- and it was like this beautiful feeling so good. Also, I think, because you know we're all being so care

all your on exactly right to not promote anything on television film because of the strike. What a great opportunity to talk about talented people that we love that deserve. I mean I think that show a soda. all the time, so it's almost to talk about it. Is people can't get enough but live comedy. Performances if you want a little murmur. That's what it's like the perfecting the bring someone from outlay to go eat. It could see to judge campo one of the best I can mexican restaurants in town, ngos eagle, the girls live and its golden girls with a z, girls net, so check that make no mistake. Is it in the theater cause you to still campo downstairs now that I think they're doing rather on that it was at lyric o got it got at the lyrics theatre just in case someone could get it again at the layer cope here.

I mean in kind of love. It you had vibes supper, feel good vibes. I just got back from Petaluma. I was. I stayed up their hiding from the hurricane earthquake that never did and never was. Thank god. It was that lake is. There is lots of jokes of like hears normal people, prepping hurricane hairs, people moss angles, prepping for her came here, and then it just footage of people just running down his lip and slide like treating everything like it's a joke failure, and I was really afraid that it would be like that for like the first two hours and then thing our fine would happen. Devastation ere it just a suggestion. How about a little less devil? station. It just the onslaught. Please be careful if you are watching the news at a regular pace which my dad does all goddamn day. Every day you did, you gotta, be careful. I think it's that feeling of like especially right now trying to stay up with, like the breaking news and the latest news yeah, so much

What's going on in this world is so much devastation there so much like rough stuff, you have to be careful, don't totally dissociate stay and, with your empathy, sure don't test yourself, your only human being, that's a good. Those are good. That's a good thing for, like anything in life, don't testing south you're, only human being yeah. That's true, that's like just know when you're getting fall and then get away at so hard that, like so, I have a mac. really ashamed of this callous. I have on my pinky because it's where my phelan rests when I'm scroll, oh yeah, I have the same one on my right there I am, I feel like it's. One of those things was like. Well, if I don't ever, but my phone down, it's never gonna go away for the rest of my life and then the other day. I the tip of my thought. My doing so I like bandage it up, so I couldn't scroll with the fat thumb, and then I had this fuckin painful callous on my thing, and it was just like almost

like a punch in the face of like you're, doing it too much. You know your hands are punching themselves in the face or like hey, we don't work anymore. What are you going to do now? How about you like pet, your cat and read a book instead, here's the thing. The book thing is great: it doesn't work asked as a person who fully addicted to tick tock and needs to see like a hundred and fifty strangers telling me like assuring me that their opinions I eat, and I have to do that. They're doing yeah or this product will change your fucking life or this. This recipe is gonna like give you so much more time in your life or whatever yeah or just. Why? being a woman. My age put on conceal are correctly and now I know how to put on conceal a correctly it's, like alone few never go out and put could sealer anyway. Now, I'm all can sealer just catch me. Catch me outside with my conceal iran, you, I can't even see your face, it's just a full,

face of conceal our right just glowing with three shades to light the nineties again somebody there was a tick tock and I'm. I do apologise It's the thing. I do all the time where it's not like. I write it down. It was just someone that had taken concert, footage of robert smith, who god bless him yeah. You know the lead singer of the cure and he's on stage edge in analyses. The ledge glory, with his his sloppy upon crock lipstick, any crazy hair. and then an underneath it. It said something like me: rolling home at two: am you united mean? Whatever way was just like? Thank you. I get this. I feel this like this. It truly was on my for you page as it was for me. It hit it head for you in the real is way who Karen cal gareth at head middle aged, our current, while they're calling us there me and ass old millennials, some ancient

meals some founder millennium. You all! I couldn't remember that cause I am old, I'm an elder millennial elder millennia. There is younger ones that were born like in the later eightys and ninetys. Some a young as shit. Generics are, unlike the youngest annex, her that could possibly genetics. Also the oldest millennia of that could millennial some like right there and its hard to be called elder anything yeah, so sure as hell, if you're young generics are than I am. I think I'm just solidly right. Am I the oldest an extra my elder genetics border. and boomer. What's the number know it's like eighty, I think so. Your dear solid gen x, solid, gen, X, okay yeah, I mean when in the history be or like this and social media, and this kind of weird trendy we're talking. Did anyone

They shit what generation therein this will not discuss earned, but you call yourself the It is generation, then you obviously fucking give a shit mom and dad like calm the fuck down. True, what's coming after like chill compared to what boomer user yeah your parents fucking struggled to bring you here to the andrea. Like you know, that's very telling my dad's from this site generation that is so damn silent until you. to run the dishwasher and then he loses my. We had the most hilarious fight about the dishwasher and, of course, on top of that home It is very hard of hearing his neighbor Julie, brought over homemade cookies, and these were, they were the best chocolate, your cookies I've ever and I m a self proclaimed connoisseur, which just means I've been paying a lot of attention

it cookies. My whole sure. Why? Wouldn't you know, I don't think, that's a mystery, but they were perfectly made perfectly made, and so the next time I I was walking the dogs- and I saw her, and so I just was like Julie. Those were the best chocolate chip cookies ever had I was like what was that recipe is that that new york times recipe that has led to an end or like this one or that one and she does not all house yeah sale of blood they are about it, and then I just went wait a second at it because she made them for well me I mean I I was gloaming on it. It was like homemade cookies for us, and I was like that's. The difference from her kitchen walked over to our kitchen yeah and like cared enough about it. For you wait. I want to hear the dishwasher argument, argument hard at marrakech, russia, like what care? What are you doing wrong with the dishwashers when trying to run it

literally called a hollywood phony and when I try to run the discussion about it, that's why does they ever to insult, which is pretty hilarious? But but the reason I told the whole Worry about Julia is because the next day when I told her, I saw her and then I told her how good her cookies were. We talked about it for ten minutes and then I said cause she goes. don't doing know cause. You know we're here. If you ever need us- and I know I just need you to know that he is born- limestone duff and there's a lot of yelling that goes on in that house. That is not elder abuse. It probably sounds like But you have to like you, have to be up at opera levels just for him and then that's when he mutes football to go. Why is, of course, infuriating and cheese she started laughing around I'm like we got into a fight at christmas, I only realised, after like thirty seconds into us, fighting that both exciting glass door

and the front door was open and gives dead silent and his neighborhood and I'm like. Oh it, I'm the lunatic that comes home and you start screaming at her old add that everyone loves- and I was just like so I had to say to her face. I was just like there's a lot of yelling, but it's not always fighting, but dishwasher fight was fighting because we are getting ready for my sister's birthday dinner, an dad doesn't think thing just put stuff in the dish, washer and then just keeps taking back out. Rinsing things individually, so he almost uses the dishwasher like a drying, rack ear! It he's runs it so then, if I go to like have cereal, and I have to hand wash a bowl. I think that's done so. We should run this cause, there's a bunch of other dishes in it. Yeah mom. You know that's the first sign of being a hollywood phony when you think you are

fancy enough that you're gonna run the dish welcoming you want to use dishwasher as it is intended for it is supposed to happen there. It's me more sanitary than having shit sit there for days scylla. They have like drying racks and could use that. No, that's crazy! Please please! Don't you also be. Found in georgia. Dont you rio, the way of made the hollywood phone just ridiculous. This lots of stuff like that, but then, of course, lots of last week come gem to this day as the funniest person of all time and love it very funny. I tried to get him to watch escape from new york, and then I fell asleep, of course yeah it. He got up and went like

I stood up and declared. This is the stupidest movie I've ever seen in my wow and then went home. I thought all guys love that fucking too, I was like snake plus skin you're not going to get on board with that. He didn't like it. That's an old guy's movie for sure, while, but maybe not that some held, I think generics for sure. Maybe boomer but not silent, generation, silent generation. Sorry, I got so mad at the greatest generation. I think I confused them for boomers So I take it all back. I think the greatest generation are the ones that fought world war. Two so they'd be older than my dad right. Okay! Well, thank you. Thank you for your service. You know, should we just do a quick note at the top of this episode if you are a pod cast listener, who also is in their nine. These are a holiday, is to you and thank you. You are the greatest turns out your kids, not so much by all your kids.

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Do you know who found this story that I'm doing today was it merits Was it you wasn't Hannah? Was it me most? I figure if you care and yeah, you said it. Man, but if I already knew that- and I just thou- also favour even hook up really and truly and mine, see what a phoney I'm ok. So there is a tick tock account and also, I think, more famously youtube account and its now wondering podcast MR balin, and he it covers to crime and he's really good at it. He's right at telling a story, and I saw tik tok of this story and I could not believe I've never heard of it. It's just a story. I can't believe so. Thanks to Mr Balin and

Please listen that podcast. Can you get a chance, because if you have an already, you probably already do, but if you haven't you'll love it. So here's the story. Okay, so it starts on Sunday July. Thirtieth, two thousand seven, outside of the Mcdonough family home in a small new england town chelmsford Massachusetts, the odds that it's not pronounced chelmsford are so high a but we're going to plough ahead great This family consists of Kevin ingenious, the parents, and then there too teenage children, ryan and shea they live in acute quiet neighbourhood. That's actually strange that it's quiet cause it's very close to interstate for ninety five and tonight the kids are out with friends, Janian Kevin went out to eat and now they're home, watching a red sox game. There, fifteen all daughter. Shea is the youngest child.

she's got a midnight curfew. She comes home like fifteen minutes early. She goes through the back door. That's been left unlocked for her and she knows her. Brother ryan is coming home after her and she figure she just gonna leave the door unlocked instead of getting woken up two hours later from text from him saying remove the book tour yeah. I've never heard him speak that that was not. That sounds I got a brother for sure. Right now come on. Do you? Do What she doesn't know is that ryan already called his parents and told them he sang in his friends house tonight who should so. She goes to bed and the next thing she remembers is waking up a feeling something cold on her neck. Here's a quote from her, she says quote: I thought it was a guy. I didn't know it was a knife. I just saw dark eyes and a mass the man spoke, and it was a voice. I didn't recognize in here, said. If you make any noise, I'm going to kill you and that's when I went into panic mode and I started kicking, I push my back against them.

hoping to make as much noise as possible so that my parents would wake up and hear me and quote so, such a smart woman for immediately thinking about what she can be doing if nothing else, with a knife to her neck to help yourself out and it actually works kevin ingenious here these noise, as coming from their daughters, room they get out of bed, they go to investigate and what they find is a huge black silhouette standing over there. otters bed holding an enormous knife to her neck. They both em- yet leave run at this figure and I just trigger. Warn you now for an upsetting injury detail that is coming up in like about a sentence in a half kevin immediately, jumps onto this man's back and genie grabs. The strangers fifteen inch knife blade with her bare hand and does not let go. I know, but this one is

because of that injury, digitally milady my hands in the: u s out yeah yeah, because I knew what was happening and I was like oh yeah she's, the biggest bad ass of all time. She actually would go on to say that she did not feel anything yeah. She did this even though that fifteen inch knife cut through to the horrible I'm sorry we can all combat I won't do that again, but this is a horrible story. Did ass the story of a literal knife wielding maniac breaking into people's homes, so this is where were at so still on the man's back. Kevin calls to his and yells nine on one and go get my gun and he'll later say, quote Dont have a gun. Something inside me told me to say that to keep this man on his guard salesman, oh my god right. So she takes off running out of the room as her parents fight to restrain this.

Maniac, even though the man has about a hundred pounds on Kevin Kevin was a high school wrestler and he knows he's fine that it's a bigger guy. All yes to do is get him in a chokehold, so he throws all of his weight into that unease able to pull the man down to the floor and he basically is able to choke him out and then he and genie who still bleeding from her cut up hands, restrain their daughters attacker until police arrive in addition to that knife. The officers find chinese throwing star is an choking wire in the fanny pack on this man's waste, and they identify him. They learned that he's a forty three year old, long haul, trucker from north carolina, who himself has a wife and kids, but what they also learn is that this man is a serial killer. This is the story of the highway killer- adam le Roy lane- oh my god, so this source

is used. Today are the MR balin podcast, as I mentioned, from tik tok, a twenty thirteen episode forty eight hours called family under attack stops serial killer. That's what I saw the forty eight hours on it's incredible. It's such a great horrifying story. So two thousand nine episode of dateline NBC titled, a stranger in the house. A two thousand seven AP article entitled picture, emerges of a deadly stalker by Alan g breed and the rest of the sources are in our show. Now, if you want to go, look at those okay, so in the same night of attack on the Madonna family officers, find and search adam Loi lanes, semi trailer inside they find a spotting scope, knives and copy of a low budget movie called hunting humans, like the most not show fucking thing I've ever yeah, that's just to see

is of items at each one. You pull out near dislike, like your stomach, drops worse and worse, and then that's basically like water. Oh my god. What are you doing? A detective named george Tyrone is assigned to this case. He and his colleagues quickly, connect lane with multiple nine one. One calls that replaced in the area that same night, in one instance, police, respond to a woman's home after she reported a person dressed in black lurking out side and then not long after that. Another woman calls police saying that a man dressed in black is standing in her yard, watching her daughter through a window, and the woman says that when this man realises he's been spotted, he runs to their front door and beating on it maniacally and many smashes their porch light before he leaves and the next nine woman called they get after that. One is the call from the mcdonald's holes your wish yeah right in a row,

so adam Le Roy lanes taken to jail where he is held without bail and the officers put out an all points bulletin to departments in other states, because even though lanes record in massachusetts is clean, detective tiros knows this could not be his first attempt at a home invasion. Within days he gets a response from a detective new jersey named jeff, noble, detective nobles estimating the seemingly random murder that took place just one day before Shea Mcdonough is attacked. So I m. A sorrow is a thirty eight year old woman who lives alone in a beautiful historic home in a small town called bloomsbury new jersey. You know it's just the classic tragic story that you see when you're watching dateline or forty eight hours its abuse.

For woman. Who is living her life to the fullest? She owns her own cleaning, business, she's, really social, fiercely independent. She travels the globe. She goes out with friends, she dates a lot and she loves spending time with her parents, frank and Faye one. America's friends as a rapporteur quote, she used to say that, where she lived was like living in a norman walk while painting she felt safe and everyone was friendly, she just loves living there. End quote so she knows most of the people in her small town and Like many other people in bloomsbury, she leaves for doors, unlocked On the morning of July, thirty thirtieth, one of monica clients, is unable to reach her, so they call the police and ass basically go. Do a wellness check to make sure she's, ok and when officers at her house they see monica car in the driveway.

when answers the door when they knock. So after a few moments, they entered the unlocked home. They take a look around, but there's no signs of disturbance and then they enter her bedroom and that's where they find the body of modern monica sorrow lying on her blood soaked. Bed dead from multiple stab wounds- a detective noble is put on this case and he cannot make sense of it. He talks to Monica family and friends, he even checks or dating history, but monica is just roundly adored in this town. So he goes back to the crime scene again trying to find something new and and one of the many times he revisit the crime scene. He real

as is there's a truck stop at the end of her block just off interstate seventy eight, and that's when he thinks quote, there's all kinds of people from all over the place frequenting. This particular stop. That just makes this case so much bigger, I mean huge. It could be any one now and quote so when detective noble hears about this all points bulletin coming from massachusetts, describing a violent home invasion involving a truck driver, he's putting it together thinking there could be a connection to this murder that he just caught, so he reaches out to detective tyros and he asks if they can compare notes. He learns that the officers they are

access to Adam lanes truck. So he asks if the massachusetts police have found any indication that lane may have stopped in new jersey or had been in the eye. Seventy eight in recent weeks and when detective cairo's goes back to the truck cause it still being processed he sits through everything. That's in there and amid all the truck logs receipts and toll records, he finds a receipt from a truck stop. in bloomsbury, new jersey from jail I twenty ninth, two thousand and seven, which is the day monica, was murdered holy shit. So he's now certainties connected lane to monica's death. So he asks to interview him and detective. Tyros tells him go ahead, but we haven't had any luck, he's not talking somehow detective noble gets him to open up, and the first thing that lane said

to him is quote. This is gonna, kill my family and then he goes on to admit to murdering, Monica sorrow in cold blood. He says after he parked his truck in the bloomsbury truck stop. He walked round the neighbourhood nearby by juggling door knobs until one finally open YAP god he says monica was sleeping. She woke up, she started screaming and he repeatedly stabbed her. But when detectives ask if he was sexually motivated lane adamantly claims, it was not very odd. So this action is not the end of the story, though it's actually just the beginning, because seventeen days, but

or monica. My sorrow was murdered in new jersey and eighteen days before Shea Mcdonough was attacked in Massachusetts. There was a murder in harrisburg pennsylvania. This is the part of MR balin story that I saw that was them mine blowing part this case here, so, on Friday July, thirteenth afforded to your old woman named Darlene E wild is sitting on her back patio. Talking to her friend check on the phone, it's about ten o clock at night. Darlene husband, Todd, opens the patio door and says that he's going to bed for the night and darling says I'll, be off the phone and a second and then I'm gonna come right up, but as Todd falls, asleep darlene is still talking on the phone outside. The next thing Todd knows he's waking up to his bedroom door being kicked open and several men with guns and flashlights

warming into his bedroom todd things. It might be a home invasion until one man announces that they are state troopers and within minutes he and his son knick knacks in his early these and he lives at home. There. Both handcuffed taken downstairs and care and they have no idea. What's going on what the fuck that's, when Todd sees his wife, keys and purse sitting on their kitchen table and then there's a flash from outside there flash photography outside on the patio and that's when he fears the worst after several hours, police finally confirmed todd sphere. that his wife darlene has been brutally murdered. Oh my god. Let us so fucking tragic. So basically here's what happened after Todd told darlene. He was going upstairs, go to bed chet

who's, the guy. That darlene was talking on the phone to he hears darlene, say: oh god, four times then its followed by muffled sounds and then the call cut out, and he was so freaked out by that by what he heard that he and his wife get into their car and drive over the key words house and they find darlene stab to death on the patio and she was stabbed in neck. Also lay like run to see if their friend is ok and she's been murdered. Holy fuck, darlings, husband, Todd, says quote: that's one thing started to fall apart from me. I remember hearing my son scream. He was in the kitchen still handcuff end quote so tardy nick are both considered suspects, but soon the focus narrows down to just Todd and the local district attorney later tells dateline

quote. In this case we had a husband who was in the house who apparently didn't hear anything when his wife was killed on the back patio. While she was on the phone with another man. Certainly the police wanted to talk to MR e wild back at the police state. And determine exactly what was going on at that residents. End quote so Of course this is a living nightmare for todd. Darlene is his beloved wife, the mother of his children, his best friend he's known, or since he was fifteen years old, he said quote They just want to meet a breakdown and say I did it or I paid someone to do it, but I knew I didn't do it end quote so, when police ask todd to take a lie, detector test he complies and when they tell Todd he failed to test here. Ass quote. How can I fail it? When I didn't commit the crime, they tell him you tell us and he says I dont have an explanation dear see. Yes, why asked for a lawyer? Hey guess what the next liner

Why talk to family get him a lawyer. The entire fan we rallies around todd e waltz, including their two children. They fiercely send him his daughter, Nicole, says quote. I never asked myself once if my dad killed my mom because I just knew, but no can think of any one who could have wanted to kill. Darlene Nicole, says glow. My mom had no enemies. She had a great personality issues just loved by everybody. Why would someone want to hurt, let alone kill her. Who could be such a monster. End quote so now toddy, while this feeling this sure mounting and as he is, the investigation in a modicum of sorrows death continues in new jersey. Detective noble has confessed. and for that murder, but he still working to build an ironclad case that shit. was Adam right lane is that killer, so he sends denies that they feel

and online and in the truck out for dna testing and detective noble, says, quote several weeks after reason, it'd Adam lanes, nice, to our laboratory for analysis. We got word what the results were. Not only was Monica my sorrows dna on his knives, but so was darlene e worlds. and through that same dna they connect yet another knife attack in pennsylvania. Just days after lean e, while was murdered. A woman named patricia brooks, is attacked in her home near the inner state on the night of July, seventeenth patricia brooks wakes up to a man dressed in all black stabbing, her shoulder with a large knife. She somehow able to fight him off and the man runs patricia on nine one one and when the police arrive, they find discarded. Latex gloves.

like in the area, so they keep them as evidence than they send them off for dna testing and when those gloves come back there, I have both adam le Roy lanes, dna on them and darlene E waltz so patricia Brooks survives this attack and will later identify lane in a police line up. Thank god. and to the incredible relief of the entire EU wild family. This information finally exonerates todd e walt unfortunate they learn about it on the news now, yes, so not great. Now, tat, of course, is incredibly relieved that he's no longer suspected of killing his but then he learned about the Madonna family in Massachusetts who fought off and captured his wife's killer. Todd says quote: I can even begin to think of how bad it would have been if lane was never caught. I think I would have been on trial for the murder of my wife,

Now Adam lorry lane faces a laundry list of charges in multiple states at a prelim. Rehearing related to the attack at the Madonna houses up first genie, Mcdonough It is up to the hearing ready to see justice served and she would later say quote Even the lane terrified me. I wanted to face this guy down. I'm sorry, dude, you don't come into my house. an attack my family, I'm going to be there, I'm going to watch you every step of the way while end quote This hearing does not result in a trial because Adam lure a lane accepts a plea deal and is sentenced to twenty five to thirty years in prison for attempting to murder chez Mcdonagh next he's tried for the murder of monica a sorrow, both the mink done as an the e waltz are there in the courtroom for this trial In a showing solidarity with monica his parents, frank and faye genie, says quote:

I, the legal battles for us were over. I was gonna, see this thing through. I was going to make sure that I was at every hearing he was at and that I was with the families of the other victims of maize? It's incredible, These three grieving families become a support system for each other genie, says quote it showed solidarity between the families, the connection that we all feel as a result of being tormented by this guy end quote and shape. Donna says quote, I remember giving monica mama hug and just saying how sorry I was and just really feeling her pain. and janian Kevin are introduced to taught you out for the first time they learned that their bravery didn't you, save their daughters life, but his as well and Todd tells a reporter quote. I was just thankful to meet them just to shake their hand and tell them. Thank you end quote. I mean what a laugh, what is connection, what a group

people are totally so at the combination of this trial. Attenborough lane is sentenced to fifteen years in prison, which is on top of the twenty five to thirty that he's charities received for shame it done as attack and soon after he's convicted for them. murder of darlene e wild and sentenced to life in prison. Its uncle why Adam laura lane went on this killing spree, attacking and murdering all these women in July of two thousand and seven so weird that it was just like a spree like that, it's bizarre king. It is like the craziest like one right after the other wild thing in the weirdest part is he doesn't have red flags and his personal history, like most serial killers, usually do really by most accounts in uneventful childhood. He grew up to be a what boring man he had. No violent criminal record doesn't mean he's not violent. He has never got caught doing anything he's also adamant that his crimes warrants

chile motivated which is like? Why are you so keep up about it and my browser? Why would you believe anything you fucking say: yeah active Jeff, noble, says quote Adam lane, no doubt about it is perhaps the most dangerous man that I've seen personally, and the reason is because there is no explanation. There is no way, without a lane. He killed, in my opinion, for the sport of it end quote, but perhaps the best insight comes from lanes ex wife Miriam who tells reporters that lane is in fact an abusive, massage earnest. She says quote: he thought women were beneath. And if he could do whatever he wanted. He hit me one time he had used his mom. He would cause her call her name's and hid her so Genie Mcdonough accepts that she might never know why lane turned out there way or what exactly led him to entering her families home that hot summer night, but she would never

stop wondering- and this curiosity culminates in her writing a book called caught in the act which she co, authors, with noted, true crime, writer, poland, argo and junior remains in touch with them: ass, arrows and the e waltz todd and our leaning, wild starter Nicole, says quote the mcdonough stopped an innocent man from going to jail. They put a guilty man away and they saved countless women. I can call genie any time she's programmed into my speed dial and usually at the end of every phone call it ends with. I love you. It's almost like a second mother. End quote the genie simply says quote. We did what any other parent would have done in the same situation. Protect your child and go into survival mode were just survivors and that's the believable story of the highway killer. Adam lorry lane and the law

of shared by the families that he terrorized- oh my god, can you believe that fucking story? I mean the thing that always stuck with me about story almost as much as the fuckin hand catching the nice thing is the idea of your parents bursting into your room, like superheroes to save your life, unlike what aouda for thing as an like, they were able to do. What I think, as most parents would say, is like their dream is to protect their child. It's just such an incredible story and nay sage, so many other families from the same awful fate because they were so brave, Yeah envelope. Meanwhile, they could I've known, obviously, but then the ripple effect where this insanely very strange and it's like a closed room, mystery darlene E. While in her back

yard on the phone hang out and suddenly she's dead and it's like, while the husband did at everyone, says that's the assumption and that would have been the ascent because there was no other explanation and they were looking for another explanation, a stranger or just happening upon this woman is so out of fucking out of the ordinary. Yet it doesn't match what we all think of as like motives and why people get killed it's just if we're going to give it up detective george tiros is the one who put out that a pb. He also because he knew it's like the difference in all that kind of over the years: collective knowledge that investigators have where it's like there. This is in very extreme advanced home invasion, attracted murder. Disk persons not knew this must have happened before. Let's collect are in for sure. Let's all get out there and like share information talk to other police departments, the thing that

so often doesn't happen, is exactly what they did this time, yeah, because he would have gotten only twenty five to thirty years and out on good behaviour. Probably if he hadn't done that yeah, you know yeah if they hadn't connected more it's like, would have been out and there were just been cold case: murders yeah it just like. If you wrote this as a movie, he will be like sorry- is not realistic. It yeah yeah, oh yeah, unbelievable the job. Thank you great job marin, clash in researcher who put it together like a superstar. Mom's are amazing: it tracking down hard to find items. Library, books, socks, you name it, but sometimes help is welcomed. Care dot. Com makes it easy to find babysitters near you, sitters, with the experience and skills. Is your family needs like after school pick up and homework help you just posted job for qualified sitters to apply and since all care, dot, com, caregivers or background checked

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I could have sworn I have this on my west. I am ups ass. To have you Tell me a story. What have you been it came out? in the nineties. That's right right, When I was at my most curious and doubtful of all things and the second I saw it, I was like who would want to go and tour that and look at it like who? who did this year's idea was this because it immediately seemed so creepy morland it so morbid. Did you go because I in san francisco in the early two thousands you did. You know I've always been fascinated with true crime and vintage murder phone it was, and I've seen a lot of that stuff. So I was like I can handle this I had to leave. I was so light headed and overwhelmed by what I saw

I thought that I had to walk out. It was just I was really dizzy and like how to sit down for awhile it. It's so disturbing. That's fascinating to hear that, because it's the kind of thing that I feel like a happens, often in culture, where her stuff gets popular and people are like. I love this and then you're having your own individual reaction to it. Going like sorry what yeah. Well, it's like the museum of death people think that we'd be really into that, but we're not into memorabilia of fucking murderers like that's now, you know what we're interested will yeah, that's kind of the thing we talk about when we first started this podcast words like it's less about the infamy of their serial killers themselves and more of the stories of how is this possible by right, yeah. Just it's just ok. I want you to talk about this because this is self exciting. So my main sources for the story.

Are a two thousand and seven article from the independent by Jeremy, Laurens and a twenty thirteen article from wire by Daniel incur and the rest of the sources can, without the show notes, so just right up that the creator of this entire thing is a good inter von Huggins he's born goon ter, Gerhard leave hen and nineteen forty five in what is now poland, but at the time, and have an annexed by germany in the first few months of his life as world, where to draw to a close and the red army approaches his family fleas west to what will ultimately com part of east germany, which is fuckin dark, so Gunter, has hemophilia a disorder that stops his blood from clotting properly and it six years old, his hospitalized for six months, and this sparks his interests medicine and you can kind of imagine a young child.

wondering what the inner workings of his body is doing. Well, has, has hemophilia failure like the kind of connects. Don't you think absolutely? I think that such as scary, probably especially for child scary disease, to have where, if you just have a normal cut, you could die said, there's some Maybe that's as a child. You have to think about much more than any other kid you car, obsessive mary, so you leave school at six. Jeanne works, a number of our jobs include as a male man and an elevator attendant after going to night school, he gets accepted to university to study medicine, which shows you should follow your fuckin dreams. Sure yeah at twenty three he's caught trying to flee to west germany with a forged passport, goes to prison for two years. When it gets out he's able to complete medical school and becomes an amnesty geologists. looks to me as an adult personally, like he'd, be played by an not red, headed David caruso. You see that from

yes. I miami re sure, like just I dunno, that's, who I'm picturing get him to at around aged thirty and nineteen seventy five he gets married and he takes his wife's name, which is one huggins, and he says the reasons for changing. His name is because his real last name leave hen means little darling and german, so he gets teased about lot. So he took his wife's name. Yeah bees knock I get teased about that that not as much as as being called little darling. I assume that's why he says he did it, but some people point out that DR von Hagens father was a nazi ss officer, so it's possible. He also may have been inspired to change, this last name to kind of distance itself from now, and I would imagine that would be the number one reason I would hope you gotta have either way he keeps.

the name, even though he eventually divorces and remarries. He still keeps at last name sounds progressive, who knows not long after his first marriage, doktor van haagen, takes two wearing a black fedora. It's his like steve jobs, fuckin in our peace, meaning it becomes his signature, look sure, but the time he Spain, he'll never be photographed without it. One article says it's originally meant to cover up his baldness, but he says it's a symbol of the duality which can be both good enough. You know much like a baseball had us symbol of individuality. It's really it sets you apart. That's why Steve jobs where the turtleneck is to cover up his neck baldness ran listen That's a big! That's the rumour I dunno! If it's true, you know you they call them old. Naked mac is real, embarrassing, so

ten seventy seven doktor bond huggins discovered a method for filling dead, kidney tissue with plastic, and he then comes up with a method to do it with many other types of tissue. So here's some info about it, but if your scientists, you might understand why, magazine reports that quote, he starts with regular embalming, the injection of formaldehyde into femoral arteries and then submerges the body and ass, a tone which dissolves its fat and water. After that he drops the corpse into a basin filled with liquid pie. Let me hear its place inside a vacuum chamber where the acetone bubbles off as plastic pushes end to take its place. End quote so it's the basics. Why, though, like he's a after he could be studying anything in the world and what he's studying is how to basically take people apart. I think it almost santa differ

We, the imbalance, people and you know to me, where he's like trying to figure that out, I'm sure it's educational fur. In of students, medical students, he patents, this process that he figured out, calling it plaster nation, originally doktor Van huggins, sells his plaster needed cadavers and body parts to educational institutions Originally it's for educational purposes. Again he sees that, but in the ninety nine these when parents, like you, know garth and shit, he revives the old tradition of public anatomy exhibitions. So in eight hundreds, as we know, a comical exhibitions were considered seedy but were very, very common. The article on wired says quote: these were galleries of the grotesque, showing waxen models of dissected, naked women, dismember

genitalia and cast of skin disease or venereal infection, and quite like demeter museum yeah exactly, but I mean it is that is educational because you, as as a non doktor, are probably never going to see the effects of syphilis on ones knows that from you know, whatever like yeah, that was fast. and I understand that part, but much like being at them, motor museum words like you, can only take so much if you're, not a doktor type, your kind looking at it, then you're like ok, I got it as it is in the army. I get it yeah just intense to see. I think it just shows us at shows humans. I would like vulnerable. We are, you know it's just it's creepy and the procurement of bodies for exhibits and for scientific institutions, of course, has always been highly problematic. We've done episodes about these problems, and actually, just a few weeks ago, on august,

if teens twenty twenty three, the washington post, reported on how, in the nineteen thirties dismiss sony and chief anthropologists, dug up the remains of indigenous people in alaska and displayed them to promote racist and false theories about human anatomy. So even with that educational quota quote doesn't mean its correct in anyway. Yes, that's that's down to the people are choosing to do it in and what their leave, sir and their reasons are right by the eighteen twenties. These types of exhibits were no longer popular intel, doktor, Bonn huggins revives them, so they told it. I've file he's like who is like a sea of wait, I'm going to fill it locked upon huggins first exhibits plastered, aided bodies in Tokyo, oh and ninety. Ninety five, his show, which is called body worlds, then makes this way tim mannheim, germany by the end of ninety nine,

Seven, it's wildly popular and its first two months in germany, two hundred thousand people attendee exhibit does a lot of fun. Compute, that's huge via the new york times describes, displays saying quote the runner just the name of one of the exhibits, is frozen in the loping gave a marathon are stripped of almost everything except bones and muscles. Its outer muscles fly backwards off its bones, as if the muscle were being blown by the wind rushing passed so like they were all in motion, although like imposes and doing things spray right, yeah, they also say, The muscle man is a bare skeleton that holds up its entire system of muscles, which looks like an astronaut bulky space, dangling on a hanger like they were a little exploded, though the way he post them yet like he was in his mind is demonstrating how people use their muscles by rail.

but they were a little like they were a little tongue in cheek e, o, really yeah, oh yeah, so here's one, the figure was skin, retains all its muscles and org but its skin is draped like a coat over one arm. Oh no, there met their doubling tongue in cheek. He like running and it shows like there's there like skin blowing backwards, the expanded body resembles a human telescope. It skeleton pulled apart, so people can see what lies beneath the skull and their ribcage unclear hook and clue this quote. I remembered the runner. There was a picture of the runner in like the SF weekly whenever it came through and just yeah. It just is really gross looking it's disturbing, but it's also fascinating in a lot of ways. It's it's like the way tat, we ve never seen ourselves before and almost like a way to realise how delicate we are in.

You, you suddenly realize that that's what you're made up of- and I think that's what made me so like light headed and dizzy- is how fucking, fragile and intricate everything is and yet somehow we're just fucking walking down the street like no big whoop right anyway, the exhibit which doktor Van huggins describes, as quote he caught. So he calls it. Anatomical art it in The sparks a debate in germany on the ethics of such a display catholic and protestant leaders of course come forward. As they like to do, and they particular issue with it. One academic theology and an ethicist says cos: the mannheim exhibit fit somewhere between art and commerce, one in which the likely damage she taboos has been factored in as a cost. He who styles human corpses as a so called work of art no longer respects. The importance

death. So throughout the late ninetys and early two thousands body worlds as a huge commercial success and doktor Van huggins expands his best empire. He has hunt the people working for him in germany china, oliver to placidly human remains. Doktor Van haagen says that all of the people whose bodies are plastered aided, have consented to the process. But you remember when the whole controversy came up about the rights that they didn't, have that permission yeah so in two thousand and three rapporteur for the british medical journal points to ambiguities and doktor Van huggins accounting for where the bodies come from and the consent process. The rapporteur writes quote one of the most controversial he says in his exhibition in london was the reclining figure of an eight months pregnant woman with her will open to show. The status god yeah and goes on to say it is hot,

to imagine why the woman thought she might die and how exactly bond huggins managed to obtain her consent to preserve her after death. When I asked him, he said that he could not divulge for legal and confidentiality reasons. The exact circumstances in which any of his quote plaster needs died because that might make it possible to identify them unquote. So it's this thing of like I can't tell you for their privacy, but also like. I don't have to tell you anything because surprise ray So it's a little sketch, also sorry, but when you said the thing about people working in china to make these, it sounds like he's producing, like hundreds of bodies doing this to hundreds of bodies, why isn't it ten things that will make you go? Oh my god ray like that I see what the the fragility of the human body is all about, and that's the thing that's on tour. Why?

Is he making a bunch of different ones at a type of papua? already and even now, there's multiple shows going on throughout the world to like it's very, very popular in a yes. But I guess, if you're gonna argue its educational Then then, you would only need the one show not only need to plastered eight ten bodies, as opposed to make factories of people plastered aiding bodies totally, because how in the world would people be given permission to be put on display before wait for this, oh well, look. I too frightened to that and I'll tell you. In january, two thousand and four germany's most prominent newsmagazine der spiegel. I've learned that have you a legit doktor VON Huggins? His company had bought the bodies of executed chinese prisoners, so that was the big.

You can't remember, yeah yeah now that you say yet the article sites emails from a former employees of his. and the magazine claims at some of the bodies have bullet holes in their heads. For his part, doktor run haagen says that as far as he knows, Neither he nor anyone in this company accepted the victims of execution. He also says that the large majority of the by in his original exhibition, come from Europe and he as law. Maintain a registry of people who wish to donate their bodies, so people fucking sign up for this, like the donor, but there are people who, like think that this is. I gotta get why you be in someone's mine that this would be a way to they be a mortal. Almost you know, I'm hungry people

If they're free? Well, because even at the chinese prisoners did quote unquote sign up for this, it's obviously not by their own free will, but the people who actually did eventually sign up by their own free will we're fucking interested in it. I just don't see why it had to turn into like thomas kincaid, the painter of light, where there had to be factories churning this when they actually were real bodies. Like that's my only vague me so just still baffled by that and how do you get to that part where you're like? No, we need more bodies and more interesting stances or poses are ways to EL. It gets worse. Ok, I am going to stop interim. No, I love it. It's like how interested you are in this. Okay, he says quote my orders of all been clear. No one who was sentenced to death, but I would put my hand in the fire for it and say we weren't, perhaps given one or the other execution victim unquote. Why is he talking like he's taken,

orders from someone out. Yes, isn't this his thing, he also says quote: the likelihood is buried. But I cannot rule it out since then. Just saying that wasn't our point That's not what we wanted if it happened. It wasn't on my time. Doktor run. Huggins is ultimately granted an interim injunction against your favorite magazine, Speak are spiegel, which stopped the magazine from claiming that the body works exhibit contain the bodies of executed, pray, which to me means they didn't have any actual proof. It was just some guy who work there. You know said that does proof This isn't it alone. With the success of doktor, huggins exhibits, he gains and new source of bodies. Here we go visitors, he exhibits can sign up.

To donate their own bodies. So your fuckin waiting in line at mama or whatever to see this and you can sign up to have your body donated to this- could have started the people who don't even their bodies to sign it generally as a doctor, or as I dunno, if he was a professor or what was able to use those like you don't have to specify like you, could become a donor and go to a plastic surgery school and your face can get worked on. It's like not like your heart goes to a child and everything's great, you know yeah yep, but It does seem to be a couple. Steps pass the line to have all of your skin remote and put over your I'm like a coat but you're right that there's people orally when you're dead, your dad and education is important and it shouldn't be a message.

in. It should always be a taboo yeah. Everyone read the book stiff by mary Roche and find out what happens to your body year after year after year, life body, I mean crash tests, dummies like that's it's just it's. Why such a good book said the visitors sign up to done at their own body, so it's plausible, or even likely that by the mid two thousands he really does have a supply of consenting people. But that's not the end of story. When it comes to plastic, aided bodies. of unclear origins in two thousand and an american company called premier exhibitions puts on another show called bodies the exhibition, so this has nothing to do with him

This exhibit is not affiliated with Dr Von hagens. Everyone's trying to jump on this bandwagon and also he's become wealthy from the sale of plastinated remains to scientific institutions, so they are being legitimately bought as well so bodies. The exhibition is seen by many as a copycat cash grab. The show features, bodies of about twenty people as well as body parts organs and fetuses indifferent stages of development. The bodies in that show come from dallying medical university in china, which is a school where doktor Van huggins previously had a business relationship and the person working with premier exhibitions to supply the plus unaided

bodies is the same former colleague of doktor on huggins, who had fallen out with him before speaking to der spiegel, so he was like maybe trying to throw him under the bass to be like will come to my show instead o re. Oh that's why it's like questionable that it was sure- and I got It- you know work he knew about it or not. We can say, Human rights advocates of course, vehemently oppose the show Harry whew director of an organisation that specifically looks into abuses in the chinese penal system, says that there's a history of fabricated consent for donation of organs and body parts, and china course whew, says quote. Considering that china executes between two thousand and three thousand prisoners.

here and there long history of freely using death row prisoners for medical purposes. You have to wonder unquote, even if the bodies do not come from non consenting prisoners. The words of the president of premium exhibitions, army, geller, are almost is troubling the new york times, writes that geller quote insists that the human remains all, but two of them mail are those of the poor, the unclaimed or the unidentified so liked to run huggin, says about his own shows. Proponents of this exhibition say that the show is educational. One part of the exhibition shows the effects of smoking on the lungs, so that you can say is educational right for people who are coming through to see it and they see what happens when you smoker, but critic seventh dishes primary objective is to be profitable and that its different from using plaster nato remains for educational purposes like an

medical schools, so yeah. Of course, it's like an art show in two thousand and nine doktor run. Huggins opens a new exhibit in berlin. This time it's called the cycle of life and fucking get this features bodies pose so that their syn lading sex. I know absolutely not. I mean you're death that is grandma grandma. lake, whatever you're supposed to have gotten from the first exhibition. We got it right, but it doesn't need to have different iterations and I mean I dont think, as I literally can still remember the runner, because when you see eyes with out skinner, raw area, heath and muscles, and so it just like you dont, forget it. It's like it here, like its term air to kind of stuff we're just its genuinely scary and also

in don't area like an everyday person like we are you don't need to see fuckin, you don't need to see that We need to understand that if we were really interested it, we could look it up in a like textbook or whenever, like that's for medical students, learn about our four dentist's to learn about our fourth again, you know like any died here. We don't need to see it now. So I think there is a thing in human now where we don't like to see a wreck has that is actually like. We were just talk this story. I just old, where a woman grabbed a knife just hearing about that is bad enough. The idea that you'd be like will you can come and look at this display where you can see every level that that night, it's like no thanks, I get it. I get it when, on the verbal I get the yeah, I dunno say that the thing I did take away personally- and this might be a very small percentage of the people who see this- is how delicate how beautiful life is, that this is what we're made of, and yet we get to exist on the planet. It's you know. Every day,

give to all these things of, like you know it's just its overwhelming, like what were made of, and yet what we can accomplish, and you know the worst much bigger than having a bad day like look. What are fucking bodies can do, let's, like treasure, that norway and that new display literally in liquid fucking bodies, can do that. I don't know. That's as I be, as I think that, when one step beyond fur sure so coarse, it causes an uproar as it should Iran huggins says that the men and women featured in the exhibit have consented to appear and sexual opposes, so it wasn't just done. like an era of gently that paper work, I can you send it over in a zipper file, I'm going to look at a single one and because, by this point thousands of people have signed up to donate their bodies. This could be true, ok reaction.

and looked it up on our my favorite murder, gmail account and I listener wrote in named jessica, see wrote it that her Father in law had been picked up after his bicycle broke down, he was hitchhiking get home. This is in europe's. It was fine and the person who stopped and pick let them became really like a friend was none other than goon turbine huggins and at the end of it her step dad said the nice car ride, and he expressed that he wouldn't mind being a donor in the future. He told VON Huggins right to his face

No, he didn't tell him that he's hold the daughter in law that he at the end of it, he was like. Oh okay, I'll, do it? Okay, so by the twenty tens demand for the various bodies, exhibits is dying down. Dr Von Hagens has opened a permanent plastination facility in germany, which he calls the plas scenario m wired says quote at it's: busiest the complex employ two hundred and twenty people and churned out specimens for exhibition and along with those that could be seldom medical schools around the world limbs and joints for orthopedics jaws, for dentistry spinal columns for neurology and seventy five thousand dollar plastic filled corpses for gross anatomy, end quote but its day. some financial difficulties nowadays and doktor VON Huggins says he will have to scale back his staff and they do animals to their just.

Exhibits have long been the money maker and the business of plastic aiding remains for educational purposes is much smaller. That's head. There are two stay plenty of operational body worlds. Exhibits there still going on. There are two travelling exhibits in the: u s, now and one exhibit at animal remains. There is also one person and exhibit in the? U s- and there are several travelling and permanent exhibits in europe as well, and today the number I sound was that they have sold more than thirty five million tickets. A wound show the body works website claims that more than twenty thousand people have signed up to donate their bodies because of exhibit, I feel like I've been proven wrong that this is just a thing that, like there are plenty of people who aren't creeped out by this at all yeah. I bet they feel like it's.

fertilizing them in some way or like giving back to the community through educational purposes. You know what I mean yeah. I want to go on record and say I do not want this to happen to me when I fuck Well, we'll see what happens I mean like you like to thank you, can control it, but true, so potential donors can retain their consent at any time and to be considered to have to write an essay so they're, not just like accepting anyone like. I think, they're like taking a very seriously, but you can't just like I want to do it. You have to buy like here's. Why I want to do it in a yes, it can prove to solve. thinking and right, clear yeah, yes, so doktor Van huggins was diagnosed with parkinson's disease is more than ten years ago and he is currently in his late seventies. He says he plans to be classed unaided after he dies. He says quote my plastic david corps. well, then stand in a welcoming pose at the entrance of my exhibition wow, and that is the history ends

worry and controversy. The bodies exhibits amazing. Meaning the end like he really is putting money where its mouth is lay is that's good. We feel so crazy that feels like it should have started in the fifties he now like it feel so antiquated? And yet it started in the nineties and is still going on today. Just there is never going to not be a fascination with morbid topics. Ass you can tell by the spot, casts popularity. I mean true, except for I m fascinated by true crime and I'm so not fascinated by anna hobbled realities. It's a lot this same being into like blood in gore is not the same fucking thing as being interested in church? crime story now, and it really isn't. Finally, people are understanding that which is good while thou was fascinating carriers great story, guys we did it again written it brought you two topics. Just a kind of lake

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