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our duty as this is
this issue. This abortion issue is is turning
in two
remarkably politically potent issue for people who want
a return to work,
where the united states was for about fifty years, where women had a right to make health care to see
and make choices about their own bodies. We ve seen in Kansas we ve seen in kentucky
we ve seen in one read state after another, we saw a supreme court race in wisconsin, landslide victories all because Republicans
taking extremist views, and we saw last night and a state that has gone dean
brad our I add. Yes, voters overwhelmingly rejected a republican, backed measure that would have made it more difficult to change the states constitution. More than three
in people went to the polls in ohio special election voting to defeat issue, one which keeps the threshold for passing future constitutional,
once at a simple majority, was idle about abortion and sixty percent super majority. That was proposed and, of course this is all about abortion, because they ve.
we're going to have a referendum. This fall and sudden
the pro life groups and the republican legislators, caddy decided.
We're going to rig things were going to change the rules, we're gonna required
sixty percent,
Because we know the majority of the people don't want women,
they have their healthcare decisions, decide
by men in state legislators. Fifty
seven percent of all
I am voters to say no to rigging the process. Forty three percent
said yes
Caddy. That almost certainly ensures that this fall
Oh hi, I will be yet another republican state that pushes back against
abolition of royal yeah republic,
wanted to make it so that you couldn't change and lord in the color part of the constitution, without sixty percent,
having sixty percent for decades has been fifty percent. That's been fine for all the other amendments that they have had in the past, but when a
She was on the ballot. They wanted to make it that much harder for pro.
war rise people to do it actually that fifty seven percent is not far off the sixty percent, they were mandating what's extror.
This is that is august. A
What's the rebel alliance,
this is not even a vote on a board, and this has a vote on an amendment to the constitution that is potentially about abortion and
even so high turnout in here
numbers and
campaign that have been campaigning on on pro abortion right said thought this might be close.
This reminds me of Kansas. This reminds me of that forget we had where we were all surprised by the margin of the victory for the pro abortion right
and here we are a good move-
when a year after dobbs, and it is still rallying people. Fifty seven percent. That's a big victory for the pro abortion writes a huge victory, just like a huge for green wisconsin estate. That's all
he's been very close, a huge victory in kansas and other state. That was red time.
again. You look at these Paul's and they just don't tell the tell people like you and I are finally going to vote for the guidance for people they don't
low closely psych arena
the guy who falls off his bike and stutters once in awhile or the guy
who tried to take over the federal government with a riot and setting
ensure made the constitution, and then you don't pay,
their issues and their and suddenly you get closer. It's just like twenty twenty to remember the red wave of twenty twenty two. Neither do I you know I never!
and you know why it never happened aboard
it's a big issue, also some people,
it's quite. If you write this morning for the wall street journal editorial page or on fox news, some people love
can democracy what kind of
fashion. That way, I don't know it's warm forest,
two hundred and forty or so years, I would like to keep it for another two hundred and forty years, so you
portion and actually american democracy because
our concern is stupid, as
torreon writers of the wall street journal editorial page over the past week had believed them debate they
he threw the lies, they see through the gas lighting and they decide hey. This is really troubling. What
this guy, may I mean. Maybe this guy over here can write a bike if he wasn't sweating so much this other guy. He falls off about
once in a while, but wait a second. Then he actually believes
constitution of the united states. You add that, in a boar
and together, yeah and it has been a potent potent political punch in the gut
against republicans proven trying
take away women's rights and women's rights. You bring up a good point here, because
think. What we are saying here is that men,
women are seeing health care being taken away from their families from their loved ones, and why
It is an issue of a woman's right to choose its also
One issue of families, health of a husband watching her husband, her book, his wife have to bleed out
because she can't get the medication she needs for a fee.
abnormality. This is in
issue now that goes across the board, like men and women, understand what has happened over the past few years. With
its being taken away and when urania health, where you look sam stein at these numbers, fifty
percent in kansas, fifty seven percent in ohio, again read red state aid alone,
slide victory in the supreme court
ray southern wisconsin. The republicans called the most important race in years when you
that you don't get to. Fifty seven fifty eight fifty nine percent
with only the women that went to them.
Women's march, like in two thousand and seventeen you'd give their with left wing activist. You don't get there with women, you get there with women men a young, oh thank you blow
why fish yannick, you name it. This is an issue that cuts across all demographics,
and its shocking to me that the Republicans still have their head buried in the sand on this issue because another election- I don't know if they know it or not, is coming up next year I mean to make a point:
its men are involved in the pregnancy. Obviously we don't carry the burden of the presidency that we know what happens when there were their wives. We feel very much part of the process and I think it resonates the issue of abortion for men.
much as women, and if you look at
the issue on ideological grounds and me there's a recent poll that showed that some thirty five
Forty per cent of republicans were upset over the dogs.
Decision mean those numbers don't really happen in many other.
Shoes
The proof now is in the pudding, so to speak. We have three major elections, probably more missing, kansas wisconsin ohio, where it's very evident that
abortion rights is a
credible motivator. I would just add that in ohio, caddies raymond,
tried to sneak this sum municipal elections in the middle
of august it was, it was fairly transparent. What the anti choice cry!
was trying to do, and I think that a backfired pretty badly, obviously with voters who felt like they were just being hoodwinked too
like they were being taken advantage of its already a bull
position to ask voters to willingly vote to reduce their ability to change their state's constitution in the future, but to do it in the fashion that they did that these organizers did to try to sneak it in and then a municipal election in august
I think, was insulting frankly, too, a
high winds and proved to be insulting by these numbers. They
trumps republican party, one. They try to take away a presidential election to day line up, and
fort, and I won't name the editorial page again that does it. They line in support of a fake alike
conspiracy, plied right. That
on people lou was unconstitutional, that their own people knew would be overturned by the united states supreme court, but they were doing it,
confuse the issue until lay a constitutional process, and they wanted to throw
the votes, a meal
millions of americans in seven states that I've gotta can, I say again more
democracy, nonsense, they actually kick black men
as of the tennessee legislature out because they dare
is the voices of the law? They were the white woman stay and by the way, as interesting-
justice, why? I don't know public uncertainly,
blind your black wages,
later in tennessee, and you speak up
speak out. They kick you out. Right
you go to ohio when what we have you first
of all have the women of all I'll have the right to make health care decisions for themselves are pair
some ten year old girls who are rate who have to flee the state. So
can make health care decisions themselves. First, republicans taken
that right away from ohio, women and ohio family
and I'll ohio doctors Van they come up with
it's game and they say, and
we're going to take away your right to amend the constitution. The way we ve done it for years and we can use
make it at an august
and you're ve been and have to get sixty percent new
I back to get the right. We vote
taken away from women and ohio and across amerika
you said before this is august, how august
such a dead month. Politically, I will tell you any
campaigns of for campaigns. I ran. You basically
down in august right, good everybody's gone. Nobody
focused on anything there finishing their
occasions or they're, getting their kids ready back for school to getting
before the fall vestments, get any ready for everything and its caddy said
voters flooded to the poles, did tell these
ty democracy, republicans, no one person, one vote majority
rules and these referendums, you can't change the rules midstream
because you want to continue taking away the rights of women to make decisions over their own bodies.
and by celebrated after issue, one fail:
releasing a statement that reads this measure was a blatant attempt to weaken voters, voices
further erode the freedom of women to make their own healthcare decisions ohio
spoke a loud and clear, and tonight democracy won
in recent years, republicans and a handful of states have sought to make it more difficult to ass citizen, led initiatives from expanding medic.
aid to raising the minimum wage according to the wash imposed
flag was I mean, I mean that the better laws and really liberal states- I bet,
these efforts, loss and really liberal stays. Last year, such efforts to raise the voter threshold failed in south Dakota, south dakota
and africans who, on those states with his temper by went south, does really
the terrible to schedule a similar hoed in Missouri were unsuccessful
frazier Jonathan lawyer? I mean they're, not even trying to hide it anymore. I mean
and they're, not even trying to hide the fact that they're trying to make these the these processes more,
forgot there trying to change the rules midstream. They said as much that answer
abortion groups
anti women's rights groups said as much we're changing the process or else we're in big trouble. Just why? If
taking the rights of women away to make their own choices over their own bodies puts
organization in big trouble. Thinking
to say, after the past year and a half of election results, those people that want it
women of their rights. There are big trouble here. It is
fundamental effort and a unique effort in american history to take away a right, and we are seeing the consequences here in these deep rate states, including ohio
well covered a friendly bad faith, effort to schedule. This
middle of august to try to sneak it in, like they did
it's just the latest defeat for this effort and frankly, the
the anti abortion movement in this country needs to come to a reckoning here in terms of
their handling politics, the ballot, because there'll be handed defeat. After defeat after d
we also should know this comes on the heels of two years of republicans in a number of state legislatures. Also, try
take away another right, the right to vote, restricting access to the ballot, and we have seen the consequences. There is well that played a role in the twenty twenty two mid terms, but
washing here is, is by far the biggest
and it, and it is even one where republicans are threatening some believe many believe our national
already, because a centre topples hold on military promotions right now, army marines, both without a commander because of his hold about
It's an abortion related issue there. As John. I think I am hearing what is on that point. You ve got republicans who use
criticise democrats.
For using the military to push them
Ethical social agenda,
Now you have tommy tub reveal that stopped.
the united states marine corps from have.
Commodore leading it
for the first time in a hundred and fifty years value
Have radical republicans in the senate, who are lining up meekly behind tommy tupper bill.
Who were now stopping the united states army from have
a leader there as well,
the wariness issues and republicans know this
the readiness issues that this poses,
for our men and women,
in the united states armed forces devastating.
The stating in yet they're letting this guy from alabama
basically lay waste or readiness in the united states marine corps, the united states
the army and across
all the services, big
have you heard of any report
kids in the senate, who actually give a damn enough about the readiness of the moraines in the army and the
forests in the navy and a coastguard behaviour,
we have them saying they are going to stand up to the tub, will reveal and stop this madness. There's been some private,
bring the very little in the way of public concerns? We didn't hear from Nicky Hayley yesterday, who said that
he didn't like how this was going down, that she sided with the idea of tolerable that
military shouldn't be doing this, but did
This should be carried out like this. Maybe that'll be the start of something it remains to be
but, of course, republicans were proudly declared the part
of national security of defence, and yet they ve turned work on this project.
their issue in its a hundred percent. That's exactly right! That's hard to make that claimed now and it all
should be noted that this is further proof that abortion defining issue and twenty twenty two
really still a driver this year it was.
be again next year to in some Democrats, feel like it could even potentially expand the electoral map for them. So
We follow this major news out of ohio this morning. There's a lot of other news to get to a major development in.
new reporting on a secret memo to overturn the twenty twenty election. We haven't heard about this before this. Definitely
laid out a strategy for trump to actually overturn president by
when of the twenty thousand and then again not restage more like a strategy to actually do it well and illegal ski
actually, the way a constitutional count, a freeze,
page nope
in an illegal scale, to stop the constitutionally mandated count of electoral votes in january six by making a bad
its argument does show
confusion among the electorate and delay the constitutional process, and this is the thing we're gonna will explore maker. They did it
even though they knew it was unconstitutional and the supreme court would stop their applied. Not only did you have this person,
came up with the illegal scheme saying that from the very beginning, but after eastman adopts it
exit into the white house MIKE pants turns to eastman saying this is supreme
gonna pull there's these, because where I know then I don't now, and then you have pence,
Turning to donald trump and going to see you
guy knows the supreme courts can
overturn this illegal scheme nothin about free speech there.
nothing about free, more or less secret. Memo. Also news on potential timing for a fourth indictment for former president donald trump I'll, be right back
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Are you get your broadcasts whitehall celebrating this morning? Why shouldn't a sea of an
anti choice, referendum procedure? Actually, you now high seven million people turned out to vote on this caddies. You said in august it's how lazy that the national election in a special election in August yeah
was that I was just checking issues. We were all fair. The population of ohio is twelve million, so threem.
in turn out to vote. That's a quarter of ohioans turn out to vote.
This is not talking about a presidential election. We're not even talking about a primary vote here, we're talking about a vote.
On an amendment to change the constitution, but.
We body saw this for what it was. This was the prelude this would have set the stage for an.
a choice
forces in ohio to severely
straight women's rights to health care in the state and make us right. This is this, is
a women's issue. I think this is so often portrayed as a women's issue, but the last I checked my biology. It takes two people to get a woman pregnant,
Men are intimately involved in this process. They see what their wives are going through and we ve had one story after another, including the case is going through the courts in texas.
of women whose health has been increased it very dangerously put at risk because they couldn't
access to the health care they need because they had pregnancies that have gone wrong, and I think
had now. So many of those stories right around the country that people in ohio
Of course, there was a famous case of the girl who was raped had to go to indiana. They know
this meeting women and for girls? Men are stepping up and by the way, at the top of the hour, ohio senator shared brown will join us to talk more about this. Now too,
the other big stories that we're following this morning. A previous
unseen memo is providing potentially damning new evidence about the plot to overturn the twenty twenty election results by donald trump and members
his inner circle, the memo.
Was obtained by the new york times and has not been very,
five by NBC. News was allegedly sent in early december, twenty twenty by trump lawyer, Kenneth cheese, borough jails, bro was one
co conspirators identified, but not charged in the justice department. Most recent indictment of the former president.
in the newly obtained note, cheese bro outlines what would become known as the fake electors scheme which false
claimed former. Vice president, my pants had the power to block the certification of the states vote
in january, two thousand and two to who lie about people
who were going to be the electors, fake electors will create a fraudulent sleight of electors
and there's. This
troms defenders are calling free speech
Well, no, no! That's not! That's! That's like an attempted criminal to to have roid of marriages for a licentiate of the road to another trump lawyer about what he acknowledged was a quote bold and controversial strategy, but claimed
he was not necessarily advising this course of action. Despite trying to
stems himself from the planned, though the times reports that just one
After sending that memo it ended up on the desk of trumps,
snow lawyer rule,
gee, that's, just not good, not good, for emu are fake electors scheme itself. Cheese brow even admitted that the supreme court was likely to end up rejecting the plan, but even in that case, he claimed that airing it out publicly would quote by the trump campaign more
I'm to challenge the elections and on minute this is as clear as day they're coming up with a fraudulent scheme that they know is ITALY. Now they know the supreme court will rejected by one
they are trying to do very true
to illegally delay. A constitutional preceding the constitution of the united states says that the electors get together and they they they count them
the data is january, the sex
Here's a plot, a plan, a complete, a completely
illegal scheme where they're going to get fake alike.
Have people. Why that their sort of
I d be electors, and then
mike pads put these fake electors
before the united states congress and ends
doing still.
Seven million eight million tim, I mean how many millions of votes are. They steal
from people and swing states nor elected
Actually, the real electors who again
are part of a constitutional process, the trunk showing that-
again the argument that this sum out free speech that this illegal scheme that they knew is illegal, is just it's stupid
for twelve supporters and certain editorial pages yet and one of them
Just trump faces is violation of rights turned to fraud. Deprive rights right to vote is one of them and they were trying to decent french
as millions of americans here by tossing out their vote in trying to install these fake
actors in this memo puts in one place
sort of aid z. This scheme that we have known has been out there and now
can be clearly central to the prosecution against tromp injects myths case there in war,
Ten. This idea that it would they knew the supreme court even a supreme court. There was
tromp friendly and most ways had ruled against them. On election issues. We have documented how badly they fared in courthouse across amerika in
weeks after election day november, twenty twenty there were something like sixty three and one and their one win was very small procedural one. They knew this wasn't going to pass legal standing. That said, they were trying to buy time. They were trying to buy time to push for more cases. They were trying to buy time to install these fake electors.
and then put it to my pants on january sex than if he had said well. Look we ve got competing. Sets of electors here
let's throw them all out, let's just put it to the house and that's how trump wins the math worked in trumps favour there. That's the scheme, that's how they want to stay in power and that's how jack smith is going to proceed
with his prosecution. Here. I just add this mean this reads to me, like a plot and overt plot, to subvert
the vote presented publicly
as an insurance plan. In case the court's somehow intervened on, transfer half even after his job
sixty three or whatever decisions against the trump campaign at that point of view
stands out to me, though, is just how little and again most of the trumps actual lawyers, the professionals in the just permanent at the white house, dig action,
care about the real one consequence of the laws than they have been pushed her violated, but the worst
like few people here, including I can't cheeseburger out and john eastman, whose
we didn't occur to them or they in care enough about what the consequence
spill out of such a strategy, worming cheaper in this case a saying this is balding controversial in another man
these men, I believe, said you know something like you know. Well there maybe riding the streets, but that's why we have the insurrection act as if
as if a little sort of blood in the streets was just the price you pay for for this type of strategy.
And it's remarkable, I guess to me- maybe a little bit shocking,
other people were willing to just let their minds wandered to those places in pursuit
what they understood privately to be controversial. Perhaps even a legal steps to subvert democracy
and you look at their interactions caddy
Again, they understand that this this scheme is, is the car
is not going to be seen as legal by the united states supreme court. They say as much my pants confronts Donald
up later saying. Even your own lawyer is telling you that this
not legal, the supreme court's, going to overturn it, but they talk about how this
who caused the way it will cause confusion. It
cause riots in the streets and when that
up is a possibility that this will cause riots in the streets. They say,
that's why we have the insurrection. I that's why we have the army,
put down riots that
responsible for by pushing something
they know is illegal in part of
trumps defends. Presumably when this goes to trial will be well,
genuinely, as he said last night. New Hampshire in that rather moist appear
I will slide new sweaty. I genuinely believe that the election
being stole. This is what my lawyers were telling me. I had a good law is like
when telling me that this was the case, and so you can't get me for that
because this is what my belief was well, then jack smith will come back with this kind of
evidence? You know these, they hear you, while you were presented with a plan,
You are also told by people like my pen that this would not go anywhere, that this was the supreme
What would not think that this
ok so that you're gonna happen.
of this during the course of the trial, but maybe a part,
This wall is justice. I mean we talked about this a lot around twenty. Sixteen. What was the aim of russia with the aim of raw
was this shit, so chaos and
was that democracy was not strong and dissatisfaction so dissatisfaction in the democratic system, and when you read this secret memo, it sounds like that that part of the aim of this
to show is too so the chaos centres and and make people think the system is not working. Hi, I'm jennifer primary and unclear mechanical where the hosted the MSNBC podcast how to win twenty twenty four. We both know first hand that winning an election is hard and having been in and around tough races for most of our don't lives. We have some unique insight into what it will take to win this twenty twenty four election and some crazy stories to share to search for how to wind,
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The number one issue for you to the national states and I welcome them to the final twenty. Twenty presidential debate with critical votes were killed still too closed,
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b.
It wasn't about actually.
Having a system that works, a process that works, they knew they supreme court was
to overturn it. It was about creed
the delay green
the chaos and if
it's happened as they said that
why we have the army. That's why we have the insurrection. I ve
we can use the insurrection act, get there
we in the street
down the riots from people whose votes have been stolen and then truncated.
the clear, martial law, which is basically what their talk
about doing in the end. This is what russia.
Wall street journal editorial page. This is
What russia
was trying to do in twenty sixteen. This is why
russia. It meant
they were trying to do in and six sixteen. This is what they had of the wagner group
brag about
saying these remember how successful our campaign was in a man
in twenty six saying I mean come on russia,
ok, you shame yourself. Every day
you shame yourself. Every day,
If you don't see a linkage here right
see the legacy of the russians, trying to sell confusion and then
no trouble on his own learning from.
People that he's always admired
on his own did just cause.
A process that will so confusion
that's illegal,
that will so delay and, if he's lucky,
will create riots in the streets and they can use insurrection act to declare
or law, and you call it free speech
I call it an american and guess wide
americans agree with me and now
You you're disgusting, your absolute
disgusting. If you
going to forget this type of behaviour
I say that to the republican establishment theirs
Oh you know. There's two standards of justice here: hunter binds laptop on
but and over here we're talking about
eagle scheme,
overthrow, throw other to get
riots in the streets of donald trump can declare martial law.
a year, saying, there's some sort of legal equivalent say
there's some sort of moral equivalency, that's grotesque, and what so sad for you? You know it's grotesque
entire republican establishment knows its growth, you got it
I'm trying to steal an election and you ve got up.
secure destroying the brain,
the injustice, and if this guy were in democratic,
you'd already have been locked up, jacks
It's trying to bring this guy to justice, and what do you do use
back silently. You don't go to standards of justice.
And then your silent is Donald trump threatens a federal prosecutor. An all.
Sir of the united states court system, saying I'm coming after you silence,
And you wonder why you keep losing elections? Second, stop
You gonna keep losing your on the wrong side of history. You know who, on the right side, has strengthened people there,
were american democracy. No war
buffet set it after september. The fifteenth
against the united states of america. You lose
and you all have been betting for a guy does for talking about terms.
The constitution of the united states. That's tried to
or throw a presidential election that worked his heart
is to undermine americans confidence in american democracy in the american democratic process and yours
Jill standing bind him
and then said? Come the washington it will be wild
and encourage these rights, were the spiritual, generate the sex and sat back and did nothing for three hours while
children while his lawyers, while his campaign people well
Everybody he knew begged him.
Stop the whites, his response
or maybe my pants deserves to be launched.
And you're still supporting him because you said, is over two hundred by weapons. Eight hundred by
and say that you say those words and you think actually that provide
You absolution note of that,
provide you know, absolution in history books
a web solution at all
gonna, get your rounded at the ballot box again what's
They know better. They absolutely no mortal known out thing lot of these guys know better and women are speaking of delays. Donald
lawyers have been called to appear in court later this week. After a judge rejected their apparent attempts
to delay? What is normally a routine procedure in the two thousand and twenty election to get case against their client after days of back and forth regarding a protective order requested by prosecutors, judge
and yet chuck can put a scheduled hearing on the matter, for
sprawling morning at ten o clock. This is where the lawyers will come and hash this out. Doesnt really need to be done, but they're doing it trumpet
is not required to tell them. What do we expect their jonathan willowmere? We expect
image. Just gonna make a decision on whether or not trump can t keep talking so freely about the case he did so yesterday, defiantly so yeah threateningly during wild profound
sweating on stage in new hampshire. He went on to say that look. What is where my will allow
he was an extraordinary amount. It was an extraordinary amount of sweat, appropriate preparation. We really dwell on draw further by
he did went on to say he was like look, I'm not gonna be able to go to iowa. I'm not going to come here like new hampshire and talk about this, so his his team, of course, is going to make the argument. Yes free speech, but more than that he's a presidential candidate, he needs to be able talk about
These things, so we're gonna have to see what sort of guidelines or guard rails
going to be established that will likely happen friday or possible evidence. We presented
audience will make the decision soon. Thereafter the judge but jack Psmith.
team has made it very clear that this is something new
threatening rhetoric and it shouldn't be part of the case. He shouldn't be talking about potential evidence that the case try to intimidate witnesses were influence of jury, pool all extremely important
and legal analysts have suggested that if it were, anybody else from there would be potentially
loser socially or even be locked up for this, so it is in
We have our his face for a judge who is clearly trying to accelerate the timetable of the case to factors
just as when we say here my gosh to standards of justice samson.
I'm wondering- and I ask this- is a guy- I'm a sweater from waiver. Ok, exactly understand, Donald trump was so bathed in sweat. I really I was worried for his help. Do you
this is why he's afraid to debate the republicans because he's gotta sweating condition. No, I don't
I think it's just that it was really hot, but what's funny, isn't protagoras there's a lot of time.
about body temperature? Is this morning and moisture sure, and it's just making me generally uncomfortable, and I think we should move on
again? There is actually so much real stuff to say, but having said that is just a little bit fitting, given that he just me
so living out of our making confined guards. As I mean, I was once
someone he made he'd literally made worldwide news. Making fun of my face. Ok
let's bring in NBC news correspondent behind failures overnight murderer. Thank you are murder and I was face shamed, but people what he did to me was worse as actually use. I set no euro psycho joe aren't you am I, on the other.
Psychological you're lying because you're either my eyes craze neurotic and psycho yeah, I'm a psycho
ok, well, ass, Michael Schnell, about this VON hilliard was that the trump rally in new Hampshire yesterday also with us congressional rapporteur for the hill
microsoft now, who wants nothing to do with, does nothing. They reduce their reporting on how the house speaker is giving political cover to the
president. So thank you guys. Ringlets bond first of all, take a
ok and I swear this- has nothing to do with this
nothin to do with how much she was wedding last night just politically give us
if the temperature of the room, cowardly schilling, about trump, how are they feeling about? No, I know people say good thing to take a temperature during the raid, the room, how read the room? Forests and I
if they're going to a trump rally. Most have we're gonna, be rock ribs trump supporters. Is that what you found
There were thirty people that that that were questioning whether he could actually
when in a general election are really are. They all went for. Donald
my dry idea worked perfectly fine yesterday to know, but look at what we're looking at that gymnasium yesterday or today. I think that's hits at the points here, the joe you were just making for all the
tension on the past. I think that what was so striking to me yesterday was I've. Cover
heck of a lot of these rallies over the last nine years, and that was the most defiant donald trump that I had ever witnessed for
from this is not just about him. You is, to a certain extent, is powerless to defend him in the courtroom. Unless you take
stand by what donald
is able to do is mobilise his political operation.
To use it as a bludgeon against the. U s justice system, we have seen him. Do it again, see
who s election system, we have seen him, do it against the? U S, media! For now
here in this moment it is about mobilizing these millions of americans too,
initiated distrust in the court ruling
meetings are about to take place, I want to let you hear from the two other folks. I talk to
because when I stood there in that realm and talked with these voters here for donald
feel he told that crowd that that his base
Maga base is the most passionate inspirited that it's ever been
while may, that maggot based may have shrunk,
the last three years. I don't
he's wrong in his assessment about those that still remain. Take a look. That's nazi, germany, hitler! You can't silencer political opponents because you don't agree with Joe Biden
being present forests, bribes, the vote was stolen. I believe it in my
I remember they blew up one of the election quarters where they kept all of the dominion. Machines like that blow up at donald trump were to be found guilty by a jury where what? Where do you see this coming civil war? Civil war am, I ended up because we can't live,
other, obviously, and if he wants me to meet them, I've gotta go in there. I'm going to let you know that I'll do it.
Guys. I think this is about the inherent danger of where Donald trump takes this from here forget about the election forget about general election. Twenty, twenty four!
whether he can win or not hear it. Donald
is found guilty by a jury. Where does this go
from here. I know that we did not foresee an actual physical attack on the. U s, cap,
on January six, twenty twenty one and I can't be
and to foresee an event
of what made miss tat size coming out of a guilty conviction or another election laws from donald trump. But what I am increasingly convinced by
conversations like those across this country is that we are increasingly getting closer to an event
ever that that may be, that of men who could becoming increasingly closer here, because Donald trump does have millions may not won him election, but will be there to defend them.
The very end, whatever that end may look like Joe. This is
republican leaders are so needed and they are so not present for the truth. For reality, we need one hundred mccain moments, one hundred times over
member when he said that member of the audience know you're wrong. When did disparaging comment, the untrue comment was made about Barack obama run. This is why this is pervading, because other republican leaders, members of congress to
verse people who have either been infected by his lies or no kevin mccarthy that he
a liar and has come,
crimes against this democracy, you know it to your core and you play that game and these people are caught in the middle. These people are infected.
Lies and people like that went to the capital on January. Six that cover mccarthy is mixed.
Mcconnell. If members of of from from new Hampshire's
but in vain it, oh god, I'm sure said that they would
immediately become the outside
immediately become part of the deep state which is which is part of the problem itself,
part of the reason why use
a boiling down of of the number of trump supporters it
it's gotten smaller. It had gotten. I think
he's, got more intense and, as people have made, the point
not really a political campaign. It's a move met a threat, but it's a movement, Michael that that you have the leader of the movement who started by calling the press enemies of the state that he then
remind americans, confidence in us
actions when he knew he was going to lose. He started talking about how american democracy was red, and so he turned his supporters against
Now he's turning his supporters against
the judicial system, the rule of law and the united states, because he knows he's going to be found
guilty of some of these charges because he committed the crimes and an end.
She is
What are you a hearing on the hill? We certainly here what member sates
publicly. Are you hearing any concerns fry
we from republicans about the can?
then you'd radicalization of donald trump and his supporters wallack joel
absolutely some moderates and more central in the party had been
in concerns about this. There are a number of lawmakers upon capitol hill, who have said a number of republicans, rather more
We moderates and centrist who have said that they don't want to see donald trump, be the republican nominees
Twenty twenty four: there are a number of other lawmakers republicans who have endorse some of doubt.
challenges, but look the reality of it is that donald trump is still the leader of the republican party he's a force
the overall front runner in the geo p primary and when we talk about some of these followers, particularly those ones up on capital hill, who could
come the minority of the party if they were to speak out against donald trump,
solve some lawmakers. Try this out after january six, you talked about a speaker, Kevin Mccarthy backward
was minority leader will all remember that days after the january,
raw capital, riot, Kevin Mccarthy went to
house floor during those in that impeachment debate and actually said. President trump
responsibility for the riot and said that he needs to take responsibility for the actions that
bent on january sixth. But then everyone will remember. It was just days after that cover mccarthy said that. Well, he doesn't think that donald trump provoked
and he thinks that, while donald trump or some responsibility, there are also people across the country bear responsibility, and then, after that, of course,
that in famous trip down tomorrow, logo to meet with the president, so after january,
sixth, cover mccarthy, in some other republicans, tried out this this state of being of going against president trunk and criticising him, but the
to the matter raises that time showed that the party was sticking behind. Donald trump at the geo, p was staying behind trump, and because of that firm grip and that firm ground.
when the party a number of these lawmakers careened back to president from side and that's all
in play all right now in the wake of this indictment after indictment after indictment. Why
and and Kevin Mccarthy. Why wait? Where does Heaven
car they go from here again. The party continues to get more more radical, their pushing for impeachment their pushing
Now he was on china. Happily, I think, and
how did he kept talking about binds bright
we scandal, bright, Kevin camera, Mccarthy knows theirs and Monday night can Mccarthy knows, there's nothing there.
It's a lie. He knows that every time they talk about these
candles and these tapes and decide the other. He always ends up getting humiliated. So so talk about the tightrope walk.
Haven't Mccarthy's having to take every day I its next,
We tight and we it's a tightrope because of
small majority that Kevin Mccarthy has in the house?
book a majority and just to go back to what we are talking about. What you guys we're talking about at the big
of the show that was in large part because republicans under performed in the twin
Twenty two mid term elections, which pulls showed
a large reason for that was because abortion was
large issue for democrats and for voters across the country say: yeah Kevin Mccarthy has been walking,
very fine line on
number of matters. Throughout this congress you bring up impeachment kevin Mccarthy has said that did it if
facts in this situation rises to the level of a need for an impeachment inquiry
he makes that distinction that it's not actually voting on articles but accelerating
bested into President Biden or other administration officials that if they got to the need for an impeachment inquiry, they would go there
that the understanding and the assumption is that a formal vote would be needed to actually open up that inquiry, which of course, no Democrats are voting for that cover mccarthy's gonna have to do
all on his own. But that's gonna, put a number of binding district republicans in a really tough spot, so agnor again
another fine line he's being forced to walk because of the phone products, then that's that's a real problem for the
the republican set are sitting and by one districts or sell me these radical positions that
empty genes are trying to get them to take the more extreme members are trying to get them to take the law and birds. It puts mccarthy and these republicans and by the six indifferent difficult
Positions on- let's finish I just want to ask you- is random way of southern Kerry lake was talking about jumping into the arizona senate race with or without Kerry lake. That is a fascinating race. You look at some of the numbers and see it split three ways. We don't
whether sentiments going to continue to run
race or not, but talk about arizona, and I mean just a lot of different pieces of that post
when that Senate rice right and carry it
Essentially, the rest, the republicans have set it out. Governor Doug deuces still lives in arizona abide. He has shown no indication or desired. It
this raised, there is a sheriff infidel county who is running for the
public a nomination. You can see him there, though, but this is carry legs to lose. If she in fact gets into this- and I think its import
folks to remember. Carry lake last joan me good, bye
seventeen thousand votes here. She has a firm
such support still in the state of arizona along time. Conservative state kissing
Alma has not officially announced her independent run here, but if she gets in early pulling suggested that carry lake would be a very formidable candidate here.
Again swimming guy ego and against pearson cinema. There are a lot of dynamics at play, but I think they go weeks comes back to the two us remembering the potency of that magda base that still exist,
in a plurality election? It's not enough to get over fifty percent, but in a race that would be split three ways: it could
while putting area like going to the usa.
Never since gone hell irritating congressional rapporteur for the hell, Michael schnell. Thank you both very much for your reporting this morning,
a dark prophecy foretold, her death, then through fire, it came to pass and the faithful mourned, wasn't the hand of god, the lid actually mortal sin broadcast from daylight and from me, Josh mangles, listen to all episodes of mortal sin. Now, where ever you get your podcast,
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