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the election in the election was stolen through fraud and never have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which is high. Of course our high bore. No. That leads me to believe that they will only seeing a tip of the iceberg on this evening. That accident has more or less I would believe it has a lot more and that's of the things that impressed me about the indictment. It was very spare and two things you could have said in there and I think, there's. lot more com, and I think they have a lot more evidence, as did president from state of mind trump's, former attorney general, with an ominous prediction for the former president in the twenty twenty election case. It comes as tromp faces around meant today in federal court in washington and we'll get a life support from Washington DC. and legal analysis on what we can expect from today's hearing, meanwhile, former vice president might pay.

this just gave his most direct criticism of his former boss will play those comments for you. Also ahead. The new reporting on a private meeting between president Biden and former president obama over concerns about the twenty twenty four election good morning and welcome to morning Joe is thursday august third, along with Joe willing and me, we have the host of way too early whitehouse bear tita let it go giants in le maire, former you the attorney and senior fbi official chuck Rosenberg congressional investigations, rapporteur for the washington, post, jackie alimony and pulitzer prize columnist an associate editor of the washington post, eugene robin willie, you know yesterday, I expected to hear I think we are expected to hear the best that the trump defence team mad the best that tromp apologists in the media had and man,

That was the best. They can donald trump really big travel, because, as Small, is bar said it's the tip of the iceberg. There's going to be so much more coming in here It was a very spare indictment to get things moving, but there's so much more to be seen, but Yet we saw Savannah Guthrie. We in plan d, clip in a second you saw Savannah, got three interview. Trumps lawyer, there's still talking about the first amendment when, on the very face of the jag psmith indictment Jackson said yeah, the You have a first decide It does say what you want to say. You will have the first amendment right to lie. You do not have, though, a first amendment right The committee is very easy to overthrow the federal government of the united states. I mean it just makes absolutely no said so there you are talking about the first amendment, are over on another news channel. Some people were sitting there talking about a two tiered justices,

talking about hundred binds hubcap rolling off is sixty. Seven and tat is tat. We just heard it we deserve that was bad. Sixty seven and paulos you know, does up gaps and found the right way. they can take out an eye, but there are talking there's two tier system, as we said, I said it a little harshly yesterday when I said we don't care finer by guts jack, I didn't mean it. Why? What I meant was it? You should give he's done something if he's found guilty. He goes to jail hold on yeah that's what we do in america, but for some reason they can't say Donald tops done something. If he's guilty He should go to jail cell there there still there there there. This is why again we talked about the esther.

It is amazing to me that these people Kevin Mccarthy and people on another cable news station spit from alike. and twenty twenty. Two january sex undermine. confidence in it iraq, a voting system in american, course. He event casting a billion dollars. It'll probably cost them closer to two billion dollars, but they did that have learned their lesson now, now, the donald trump it's like willing to judges totally screw america that did it ash america for this guy. I don't want to see his face taking down. I don't want to see his face. Take him down. I don't want to see space their willingly trash america It tries democracy for that guy and, if Listen to me yesterday feel isn't

republicans in the house. If you listen to me, on other news channels. There are willing to trash is judiciary, R, R judicial brash move. a branch in madison in democracy that separates us from other countries the most. If you follow history, it's all right the great leveller their wives that really just put cause donald trump get caught stealing nuclear secrets because he got caught stealing secret war plans because he got caught still all of these other documents and them away in his beach club in florida, and now they get I don't know I told you this we'd get a forty five page indictment

and everybody in here- that's testifying against donald trump there I'll trappers, democrats here, their citizens republics, that's who were serving donald trump people there, said. We really want to have the wind badly, but not so bad Are we willing to destroy the united states constitution, an american actually in the process and, as we said yesterday, every one of these people that testified for testifying you gets their own self. It's because of donald trump and then in the white house four more years they would have gotten more powerful ultimately more richer and more well acted in washington in the world, so there you go networks and little members of congress in the republican party willing to trash american democracy and now the judicial system, in the name of donald trump,

like how many off ramps drove how many times have been given the chance sale, chances like he took nuclear secrets in war plans to morrow logo and waved them around this beach club or bed minster. Now that was a book keeping issue. Ok, I've got an attempted coup the government, as detailed in this forty five page I know, but what about hunter by and by the way that is the political defence. What your hearing on capital health from Republicans is all as we heard about the indictment. But did you hear what one hundred Biden did? Did you hear what this new witness said, drawing attempting the draw some equivalency there and europe. On the legal front, thou trumps knew it ernie John laura was on several networks, including NBC news yesterday morning in the defence, is the first amendment above the fold york times. First demand It is likely the linchpin of trump defence. That's where they're going Joe, but as we talked about it, yesterday. You just reminded us in paragraph three: I think it is maybe for special council Jack Psmith, take

that away from them by conceding? Yes, you had the right to say all these things, including lives. As we put it, you can say whatever you want. What you can't do is conduct a criminal conspiracy, but speed, like is office hours out criminal conspiracy. Well, let me read it really quickly and thank you can see. As you know, I am a dumb country lawyer, like wing change around and not know exactly where they are, but thank you for telling these paragraph three thinking of bird dog in it for right, sorry distant. I regret at times Paragraph three, the defendant, had a rights as jag psmith, like every american, too sweet publicly about the elections even claimed, falsely that there's been outcome to turn the fraud during the election of the one. You want also entitled to formally challenge results of the election through law. Full inappropriate means they seeking recounts satellite centre? Indeed, in many cases, the Van DEN pursue these methods doesn't. As a result is every change. comes in these recounts audits. Legal challenge, though, were you

formally unsuccessful, so he had a right like every american to speak publicly about the election the even claimed falsely willie. The durban action fraud. He is right if he wants to do it as that right and so ex myth gets rid of that. As you say in the third paragraph of these these these, these bumbling being bumbling, lawyers are gone wrong. First amendment first, amendment Imagine a jury's going to look at it and they're going it will wait, will take it jack smith, talks about that and the third paragraph so I don't know I guess they just have absolutely nothing to defend him on I then attorney general Barr, former attorney general Barr, as we just played completely waved away that fence. He was trump's attorney general. He said, that's complete nonsense. The first amendment, but that's what they're going with

chuck Rosenberg, I'm curious what you ve made in the last twenty four hours of the defence we ve seen from trumps team so far weather first amendment. We haven't heard as much that we ve heard some from other politicians of the good faith argument, which is that he actually believe to the election was stolen and he merely was pursuing some of the things he had heard now, unfortunately, for him there we five pages of evidence saying yes His aids and his cabinet never told him that he'd lost and that, in fact, these war lies so that this right, That is well. But what do you make a what we heard on the first amendment grounds here I'm glad- you asked me about that. Willie, there is a technical legal word for it, MR bar used at its absolute nonsense. Think of it. This way, each designed to commit crimes, which designed to commit a fraud, is not first amendment I could speech if I lie on my tax return that speech, but stop protected by the first amendment,

Well, if you and I are running a ponzi scheme- and we salute money from Joe and Mika? Tell him we're going to invest it in our investment fund and instead we buy bowed, and an island and a minor league baseball team that not. First amendment protected speech, that's a crime instructing a witness to destroy documents submitted by the grand jury speech, but it's not speech protected by the first amendment, so I can I agree with MR bar on this point that the fence that the first man and preclude Prosecution of MR trump here is since its garbage it may work in the political arena. It will not work in court period the end. Well, let's look at what gonna happen in court today, former president donald trump will be criminally charge in washington dc for

I should like trying to disrupt the same government. He once swore to protect at four o clock this evening. Noone tromp will be arraigned reigned in DC federal court on four felon Charges stemming from his alleged efforts to block the peaceful transition power following his teeth. twenty election loss, the charges are conspiracy to defraud the united states conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding auction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceed. and conspiracy against rights The decent police department could be seen setting up security barriers outside the court house last night ahead of the former presidents robinson: we have a chance to get your take since in this this came down it's it's a remarkable document. Forty five pages presently united states of former president united states, once again more.

and do a court house to be indicted. And we get in europe this? Because this is the third arraignment we will have seen of donald trump. Nonetheless, this is different. This in this is incredible President of the united states attempted to cling to power tempted to stay in office to fight having, despite having been defeated and offer and fair election. He He refused to to peacefully transfer power to his successor, dad never happened in our history and It is, it is historic, that it is now being addressed with this indictment. So so this is. This is a we're in a different realm. Now I

I certainly agree with with you in chalk, I'm not even a country lawyer, but it only the first element. First, amendment defence is then we'll cut, but Think the more likely what route that that the prompt warriors had written a try. oh, is advice of council that well- he. He really believed that he was listening to that noted constitutional scholar, Johnny's men and- and he was just listening to those lawyers now that the weakness in that, of course, is that the attorney general of the united states and the white house council and the deputy white house counsel all telling him stop. This is ridiculous, as this that you've you've got to you've got to stop this stuff This is nice ends and any other reason. is that the lawyers it was listening to our all unindicted conspirators?

so you know, there's a there said that that pesky crime fry exception to turn a client privileges and also what I think would would pertain here. These were co conspirators. If we're not Lawyers giving disinterested advice, and so I just I don't know where he goes with this except the political case. What about hundred Biden Why are you get the planet decades, while not that hubcap, it fell out, also intolerable, tear sixty cents, impel I'm acting as if the me sitting here, weeping and crying and curry broader by case harasser. Ah whatever we really will be like aid site you went where, where on doris days side on this one, whatever we will be with hotter by and there just no equivalency political equipment, moral equivalency, whatever it ends up being

at present the united states trying to overthrow the federal This is like Benedict arnold cousin, like stealing an apple from you. Whatever agencies is the attempt to make that wasn't. Fastenings during this. There is a place to be working on that when bidding digged aren't nobody, nobody is frustrating Joe, is stealing a british frigate. I you know when you watch the right wing or even just box all day they never read indictment they actually never read the camels, they kind of him and harmony. Around it and in a free speech in it they actually never read the indictment and actually talk about. these charges and talk about the fact that you don't bring indictment without proof and talk about many These things we saw play out in front of our eyes done by donald trump and many of these things we saw corroborated during

january, sixth hearings! You know you never hear that do not willing, as it's too much fact for them. You know willie hell. She knows that workers. She keeps it on that stations. You have to wonder why trump supporters believe this is real reactive, and please don't do that. Please up now. Let's, let's watch you have to you can't be blind to a town and get the access pottery. Let's not let don't don't look at oh, but she she won't listen to me. I want to go to chuck really quickly, jogged advice. No, I get what you're saying what they're saying that I have so much respect for what you're doing there is this information- I just can't do it myself so jargon, learn so let's just touch on the advice of council, the gene robinson brought up, I mean I would think part Problem is it's not exactly forum shopping but tromp had is why as counsel around him, he had lawyers all around inside the white house. He had

advise they are told him. Now he went out and basically you did well forum shopping, defying the craziest conspiracy theories he can find, especially after his own lawyers and, MR president, nothin here january, twenty its twenty. They want can be your last steak. goes out, finds people like rooney giuliani, whose, go fairies prop himself call crazy, Will advise of council carry any water in this court. Is a possible defence I guess me that so first thing joe, there is a defence known vice of council. You see it from time to time. It's a real thing, so I think the more important Question is good. It pertain here, and there are too big the governments to it in order to, haven't advice of council defence but say Joe view Wonderful country lawyer, are my attorney.

and I want to rely on you for advice. You ve, given me to help prove that I had no intent to commit the crime charge with their two requirements. One is that I am. Police candid with you, my lawyer, about all the facts of the case and that the other element number two is at. I act in good. Based upon your advice- and we know you know past- is prologue Trumpet had trouble with both of those elements candour in good faith, so It is a real defence. It may be available to him here. To try and trot out in a court of law, but he would have to establish again that he was completely candid with his council, as I was with you and that he acted in good faith upon the advice of the council and I think, those stumbling blocks for MR trump in any setting, certainly in a court of law. So let's take a look at the data. joining us now NBC news justice, reporter ryan riley. He is outside the courthouse in. Why

content, which is just a matter of blocks away from the united states capital that was attacked on january, the six twenty twenty one rhine good morning. So we know president former president trouble Waking up in bed minster new jersey this morning how fly down to reagan national later this afternoon. What do you expect to see it perhaps today around four o clock a lot of secrecy, I think they're gonna bring it in through the garage and bring him up through the elevators. The courtroom met they ve chosen here is in the annex of the building behind me. the newer facility, was built around two thousand and five. What it actually allows them to do, potentially tenderly is bring donald trump in and it's the same way they brought a lotta grandeurs and they brought them in through the garage, bring them up through the back elevators and then potentially bring them right into the courtroom. From what we understand, there'll be about eleven seats. Are there

well to the media, but that's going to be a lottery system, so, despite all of our producers, hard work overnight, standing in line here, we're not guaranteed necessarily to get a spot inside the courthouse, but there's going to be lots of overflow and there's going to be a media room, so we're definitely going to be at least looking at this on a closed circuit tv not being able to see what's happening inside the courtroom. It probably should be a very short hearing. I expect an oath going forward in this case for probably in a sea of some change, a venue motions, those of all failed in january six cases before, and the justice department has a lot of evidence to point to that DC. Jurors are able to handle these cases appropriately. Despite the democratic leanings of deep sea in the both the problem is any oath keepers case. There were acquittals on certain charge and not for the defendants overall, but for several counts. There were quills on both

This case is ever spent other acquittals in january six cases altogether, so they have some evidence that the forty or process can work. That jurors can swear their oath? I can take these. Take the evidence on it's face and, despite you know, maybe not being for being particularly fond of donald trump can look at the facts and decide them fairly. You know why, when chuck was sort of talking about the first amendment grounds that it struck me that potentially one thing that you would expect, if that's still going to be the defense of trump here, is that they would be calling for the charges against hunter Biden and that gun case to be dropped. Because then hunter Biden has a first amendment right to lie about being a drug addict on a gun on a gun form. So that's just you know. I think that chuck is completely rink, that that is not something that is going to have much merit in this behind me and especially given the As you know, a lot of the facts about these cases. Just yesterday we saw another defendants who was charged was actually a cardinals mouths

start, who ran around the stadium in Saint Louis painted in red, and he was just arrested yesterday this with some I knew a lot of conspiracy, theorists believe was an undercover officer but nope the sluice identified them and lo and behold he was arrested yesterday. So these january six cases are continuing to churn and now donald trump is just one more florida man charged in connection with january sixth, the red bird an unofficial moscow, unofficial, ok, those very disturbing phenomenon, just a minute. So right, let me ask you about the security there, obviously, a coordinated effort when the diesel metro, police, the capitol hill, police and federal agencies secret service involved, as well with the former president, being there either anticipation around the arraignment here in new york city in lower manhattan, new york city police said. Don't I that here it's not gonna work and by large, mostly stayed away. What are they expecting there in terms of a crowd?

today we did you somewhere overcrowded, as well as the day before, not massive. noble, but I think you know these by cracks are going to keep people away from the building. Hopefully, you know when I saw them when I was your last night, seeing them bring them out sort of was like a pike racks very on theme for january sex. That's what was the first thing breached the down a piece circle, just a couple of blocks over here, my last during that initial breach, and that was not something that stood up, but no donald trump hasn't summoned anyone to come here. I certainly I expect a lot of supporters to show up, but it's not this massive then, and it was done on a pretty quick time, for So it was and is the need to get necessarily a ton of people to show up, because this is only based they forty eight hours from when we learned about the charges on tuesday. So you know we should see some some supporters here.

apps harassing reporters out here on the street and perhaps trying to get their moment on camera. But obviously DC is now in a posture where they can react to this pretty quickly and have a decent security situation set up here. Well, let's hope it's peaceful President pres united states, the former president of the united states, will be arraigned today at four o'clock clock eastern time in that court behind behind you, NBC news, justice, reporter ryan, riley, ryan, thanks so much so John. He mentioned change of new potential change of any highly unlikely down trump. Yes, suggesting the state of war virginia would be an appropriate ways for this trial. Coincidentally, he won by forty points there and both of his election. The this was trumps take your on social media. He says it's move to an impartial of any such as the quote. Polluted

the unbiased nearby state of west virginia, which a was running had nothing to do with jerry six then be yeah. He won it by about one thousand points in both two thousand and sixteen and two thousand and twenty no ulterior motive there. I'm sure that seems unlikely to happen. A couple of other quick notes here I was talking to someone yesterday and were concerned about security around it and makes the point of the doll trumps most v. I supporters, though, should be likely to cause trouble, well they're, already in jail for january, six that hopefully reduced to some of the risk there so in the news have journalism, students who paid them to stand and overnight in line to try to give them a seat in the courts. today? But we don't know if that's going to happen but jackie. We should also note, though, dna. covering this so very closely trumps got a new legal team in place. this these proceedings, starting to make the media rounds tell Sullivan about about what we know of them and on perhaps the first amendment situations. What other possible defences might we hear from, today and we

finally noted in previous indictments, arraignments donald troubles that address the media. Afterwards, they haven't said whether he will not today

yeah, there are a lot of t v, d's right now, John, but on our part at this point, a lot of the media outlets are simply well oiled machines when it comes to operating around trump's indictments, as this is the third one, and we are anticipating that trump is going to potentially have a press avail or might be doing a very last minute rally in in the area. But a lot of that is up in the air and, as we've seen, there is a lot of bravado public statements. Us you know claiming that that trump is welcoming these indictments people and allies on his campaign, arguing that this is only good for his polling numbers, but at the end of the day, when trump has appeared in the courthouse before the judge to enter his plea, deal, he's appeared, dour and extremely unhappy to be there. Although you know in the aftermath, has always made the rounds either and at cafes, around miami or

parading through new york city in his motorcade, but he does have a new legal team that has a little bit less experience and the media does in in attending these arrangements. He has taught blanche. True has been with him since ireland, brag drop charges editor hush. Twenty payments through porn, star, stormy Daniels she was previously representing some other trump people was brought onto the team is probably the most well respected and in season the lawyer that is now coming the entire trump legal effort.

There is also a christopher case. He was the lawyer that trump brought in last year, who was sidelined on the mar a lago documents case is now more involved. With that case, we haven't seen much of him with regards to the january sixth investigation and then there's john lauro. He is the tv lawyer that we've all seen these past few days. Who also is someone who is well respected and has experience with this, but as chuck and a few people noted has been making some interesting behind the eight ball arguments about what trump's legal defense is going to be primarily focusing on the issue of of free speech when jackson, charges have very sadly boy. Some of that issue by I talked to a number of lawmakers january six committee members yesterday, who actually commended smith with dropping the insurrection charge and instead going with that final charge of conspiring against people's right to have their votes counted because it does help the public prosecutors office.

this. This argument over free speech and instead gives juries a little bit of an insurance card to judge from on his conduct, as opposed to his opinions or beliefs. Jackie- and still I had on morning Joe much more fall out from Donald trump latest indictment, and the reaction from some who were inside the administration, like the former chief of staff for my pants plus new developments in these special councils are starting. I should actually chances chief of staff had to call the secret service. they did yeah on January. Fifth, after tromp basically threatened threatened. It was pray ugly I and they had I'm so glad for for my pants and for his family, that is, chief of staff. for smart enough to call the secret service and say hey donald trump gonna put. lives in danger to more. Basically, he did and they were ready. A lot of people did the right thing:

There was a lot of crazy stuff that went down food against the wall and the white house mean this is just. It is an incredible time. in history, plus new developments in the special councils other and together into tromp. Why jack Smith's team citing potential conflicts of interest in the class I've documents case. Also, I had what we're learning about a private talk between president Biden and former president mama scent of learning that twenty twenty four election sounded like an important off yeah you're watching morning, Joe will be back on the It is see kay, said Sarah said

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launch an insurrection to overthrow the united states. Now is one where he stole nuclear secrets and YAP secret war plan. That's right. It's not the hush money to a porn star I'll show. You had an observer that nobody denies its love, not even donald trump, another case where it was accused of rape by the judge. No may judge actually said he raped areas actual abuse. He help lie a ball. and I came back and said when they were making monash was raped, judge it will actually been common usage in italy, the? U S, army use, the term rape the rise to find and dictionaries. Rape is ryan committee right, but that's not this cat editor still another lost it because, like continues to defend this woman with wild abandoned, Thirdly, this is this is already doing him again, so is it not

and it is not the case. We saw the nuclear secrets, it's not that one I like a baby so late. No, it is that while there are so many, so it's not the case that he tried to overthrow the federal. It's not like I'm gates that ok, it's a rape, K, Jack smith, has ass, join us the rape case. I'm sorry, it's the case where he tried to still nuclear right Try he stole nuclear secrets tonight lied about it right took a year ago, so jack smith has ass, judge alien cannon to schedule, a hearing to discuss potential conflicts of interest in the case involving trumps handling of classified documents, including military. Rights as marilla go club in florida and business it has learned the issues stem from defence lawyer, stanley, woodward's representation of trumpeted walt Nada and other witnesses in the case, according to a court final yesterday, woodward's current and asked clients include three people who could be called to test fi against nada, nodded

charged with conspiring to obstruct the government's efforts to reclaim classified documents. Woodward at one point also representative represented. You sell a very who, as anonymously named in the indictment as being asked to aid in the alleged comparative conspiracy to delete security, the gent mara logo to various was not indicted in the case, and there are reports he may have cooperated with the d o j after receiving it the latter last month and obtaining new legal representation. Despite to various obtaining new council woodward's ongoing representation of nata could still be an issue, Recent chalk itself is a massive case shock yea. I we see judges before bring up concerns about overlapping interests. Here, you're, actually

talking about the freedom to possible freedom or the incarceration of several men. Here I I would expect a judge to step back and say count so a you cannot represent these two or three people whose interests are diametric. Be diametrically opposed in their dealings with the government, you suspect that's what we're going to say. I do I think you're exactly right, but this is relatively simple if an attorney represents just make it easier. people and one of them is a witness a trial, and one of them is a defendant, a trial than that attorney, has information. Cause he represented, both of them that it could use to the vantage of one and the disadvantage of the other. That's a conflict, it's not that complex! the government was absolutely right to raise the issue with the court. The court

to hold a hearing on this now, of course, if the governments seeds and getting one of the lawyers kicked off case. That slows he's down a little bit so be. It is more important to protect the rights of All the individuals involved in the case and the record on appeal than it is faster than you ought to go. I'd like to see all cases tried before the election. That may not happen having two conflicting out. An attorney will now the police, lowercase downward couldst. The case down, but as a lawyer, you always have a duty of confidentiality and loyalty to all of your clients forever that and and when one of them is charged and the other one becomes a witness it last forever, and so Can I use as a lawyer, confident information. You got from one person to help another, that's the conflict. seems relatively straightforward to me. The government is to ask for a hearing- and I am

and the judge is going to very seriously. Consider asking: Mister nada, to find another lawyer I can't. I can't imagine that he wouldn't because again their interests, likely moving forward. We diametrically opposed here's billboard, yes, we're talking at the wreckage down. Tromp is left in it wake. Regarding some of these co defendants. These two individuals, not the Carlyle Carlos, are dragon, this saying their lives turned upside down by trump to pursue. you know this caper of his and he leaves in his wake Ruined lives like this. The people who went up capitol hill, these individuals, many of the people who served them in government to guard sucked into things, and he just all this carnage in his wake, taking care of it now he doesn't care about. Their loyalty is a one way street for him.

loyalty a one way. We all know that in some corridor eight years ago, just a build out a little bit on this. There, like a ridiculous, actually did one lotta and the other, the criminals, and have the same. Maternity is donald trump private. It's it's ridiculous, because the young point the- and this will be True, in any case, at some point of your working yo, direction of a principle. and they ask you to do something illegal for them. Your answer, diverges sharply with the principle. The second the everybody gets arrested, because you're able strike a separate deal with a state or with the fence whatever it is, and this is the case it would. I just can't And the judge, I can't imagine any body allowing these two co defendants to be due to me-

donald trump with a lawyer who will not be giving them why said, is in their best interests their best andrews somehow to stay out of jail, exemplary. seems obvious to me that that That's not a needs to find another warrior that this lawyer it does have. This conflict and and that that seems to be the end of that? You know this is something very early said, but bill Barr makes such an excellent point there, because I'm eager to look at the look at the wreckage look at the records from the from the and the trumpet diamonds, just the ones that we have so far right that the first one that's this story, Daniels payment, Michael Cohen, trump's lawyer, wanted to jail, be because of that caper look at the. the documents. You ve got nora and waited just didn't.

The hot seat potentially going to jail again, we teach trying to follow donald, prompts orders and in this case in the january sex case you ve had, but more than that, Thousand people I think, face justice: many of them go to jail. Some four seditious conspiracy after Donald trump fired them up. and sent them off to the two to sack the capital was essentially it is. It is amazing and- and it would be a travesty for all these other people to suffer the consequences of of donald trumps. It's a selfish, egotistical ego, maniacal behaviour and for trunk himself not to face consequences. I am just right, Betty's face and consequences.

Jackie Ella. What will you be watching in and looking for today, as we watch, this rock historic moment happen before our eyes? I don't know if we'll actually see donald trump but there'll be reporters in the room. The former president, his third arraignment fellow arraignment, before a judge who has sent January six rioters to jail, yeah mega It's going to be really simple like an historic to watch. Donald trump walk those same stairs in DC district court- that over a thousand other insurrectionists who are simply following trumps, lead and directions to storm the capital. On january, six, who have already in charge and in some cases sentenced at you know again at the behest of trump's directions in the lead up to january sixth and on january sixth, I'm definitely going to be watching for the dynamics between trump and judge. Tanya chuck in the obama appointed judge

It's going to be who was assigned to this case. Shoes actually handed out some of the harshest sentences to january six things insurrectionists, but I want to return to this stanley. Would work situation again as well, and I think it raises this broader situation of just how remarkable all of these cases are. There are: are co, conspirators witnesses, people might have to be called to these court cases to testify against donald trump poor, all still working for the former president or financially tied to him in some way you sail to various. He is that I t worker who was being represented by stanley woodwork. He was one of seven people represented by woodward, who only gave incriminating evidence and told the truth once he switched lawyers. The thing that Jackson was arguing yesterday is how is woodward going to cross, examine his former client in court

law, especially as that claim that former client is not waving his rights to confidentiality, and I think it just raises the broader question of these. Some of these people who were going to be seeing accompanying trump on today to the court and afterwards, especially in the case of potential press avail. These are people who were mentioned in the indictment, either in some veiled term as a co. Conspirator people like borsch Epstein, who continues to to work for former president trump and people like jason miller, a coup continues to be a senior adviser, susie wiles, who is a top person on the trump campaign, all people who who have come before jackson and cooperated in some form or another either with the classified documents case or now that the january six case willie, while first while just susie, while very well said, there's an aid to the wiles considered one of the room republican circles, one of the most important power.

Well smart, campaign, mines and the state of florida issues, but run donald trump campaign, apparently based on report, cecil she's, the one he showed in these some work plans day, so she's thrown right into the middle that stuff? And Secondly, I just want to say it's a generational thing, but you know when, when laura calls. A concern seed is still nuclear secrets in caper. The cape yeah, ok! Well, I would say stealing an apple pie from the top of a way is a camper, but I think he is actually there's a little bit of that and I think he's talking about trump's stupidity, they're, honestly kind of putting it in quotes because he is so dumb and what is done with these documents is so dumb everything that he does

he does out in the open, and these read these these indictments, all of them he's so down. he just knows how to play the media and some people fall for it. It is following then, the funding it is tragic for donald trump. Isn't that he's been here he's been working, the new york post and the daily news since nineteen, seventy five nineteen, seventy six and he really at some point. Never we figured out where the sharp line wise between You know a page, six colonists and jack Smith. It's gonna! It's getting likely cause. I'm serious, I'm afraid it's gonna likely cause him. His freedom, because he's been able to get away with south is higher life. He just some reason never figured out. You don't process. Fads. You don't do illegal fangs and expect to be able to be ass. Your way out of an indictment in a charge. sent to jail for life. You're right he's operate with,

will impunity for all of his adult life in new york city in his early days in politics, and it's all a game to him. Everybody To be loyal, or they have to be disposed of and now. Learning that this is not a game. The jack smith has taken this thing very seriously and that our justice system takes his alleged crimes. very seriously. I'm your point, susie wiles bill bar said something interesting in that interview last night, when he was asked what he would say, these new lawyers to John laura to others that are around donald trump handed the former for any general said pre simply while you're and become witnesses? You're gonna have to testify he's gonna come at some other crime is going to do something else and you're gonna be ok. well says you're going to be in the room. All you have to decide if that's worth it deal laugh washington, post, jackie alimony and former. U s attorney chalk Rosenberg! Thank you. Both very much

coming on just more. Instead families, we oughta simple country, look at ways not iris into every word. He says I want to be. Sometimes it's as reliable country lawyer across the table. Male, no, no, no one would so gentle yeah, really that we raise that. I wrap just slightly and I mean like killer. Maybe I can kill and well. We appreciate your insight. Click finally, on these regions, since you're, just trying to Through this coming on controversial downgraded the united states credit rating, it has the markets in the this morning will explain what prompted the move and telling the reaction from one America's top banking executives also ahead Riddick Senator Mitchell Blumenthal joins us in studio. We'll talk to him about five. Legislation to protect children on social media, also, his reaction to troms latest third indictment mornings. coming right back,

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global psych swell yesterday, outfits downgraded the: u s, credit rating from aaa to w plus it is one of three major credit rating agencies and evaluate a company or a country's ability to pay its bills on time. The agency cited deteriorating political conditions, including the that ceiling stand up earlier this year and the general six ryan is real. As for its decision, J p morgan, I will now- and we said a ceo responses- I hope- and J J makers- jamie, no jane, you got no business now. He touched the nurse choice. I never data, and here it is yes, J, p morgan see huge Amy diamond correctly, call a move ridiculous saying that Domains quote the most prosperous nation on the planet, the. Why does also pushed back downgrade, let's bring in this report, the present a merit on by the council on foreign relations, richard eyes,

I also look so every day. It is also our rookie golf and laugh so where's that I'll show you I'm here, because I have one of those complex. You know where it's fitzgerald said reject now two competing thoughts. In my mind, but aren't we all glad I can number one. I think you agree with me: we've talked about it before our national debt is a problem. It's over thirty trillion dollars. That is, that is an ongoing problem. We need a long term plan to bring that under control a glide path, so to speak, that doesn't wreck the economy at the in time we gotta think twice I really am dollar economy. It keeps growing wall. China's stagnated. Seventeen trillion khalil only as a larger economy than every other country than light three

on the globe, taxes, a bigger economy. Then russia Annie Look at a look at our economy have may not be the greatest its ever been it's better than just about every other economy on the globe. So the question is, is here downgrading ice diary Are you downgrading everybody else on the planet? Because there is no for investment on the planet? Now that the united states of america there was time for fit to do this, the rating service than simply because the news is pretty good about the: u s, economy, both absolutely and an relish to others, but if you take a step back, they are onto something it's, as you said, Joe, which the massive accumulation of death, but really what they kristen on was the politics of washington and it's actually consistent with the story of the day of the week which

the dysfunctionality of american politics, the fact that we ve come up to the edge several times, republicans left virtually none other spending bills got god doubt what they're gonna come. And then what and there's no confidence essentially at the politics of washington, will allow the united states to to deal with these issues, and I think they are fitch, is on firmer ground. So I get what jamie dimond and larry summers are all being critical, but I think if you pull back the streets, you take on whether our politics you're up to it and we're not just another economy the dollars, central to the world. The american economy is a quarter of the world's economy, so the real question is: will our politics get in the way of our economic. So I think, that's a fair question it's very question by jean? If you look, if you look in the recent past, you know you, nice it's gonna take care of itself. I will say- and I said on the show, whenever, oh my god see we're

the spiral and that, as I know it now than other, not another nine, if anyone and it now is washington. I've been through this time and again as a member of congress and thence but in the media they always do the deal, care what sides bitching amounting in saying they're not gonna join, and they always, the call from the top see owes from there contributors from their top packs. and they call goes something like this you're? Not really. Going to let the united states government default on your debt, Are you, MR speaker, and whether that Bakers, nude, gingrich, my cabin mccarthy, gene. it is not really a question it's not a question. It's an order which is due you're, damn business, so my business doesn't get rat

So that's why again this the fish they get paid for that it's ridiculous. always gets resolved and it always gets resolved, not we close our eyes and hope it gets resolved it always its resolve because our twenty four trillion dollar economy in the people who want it demanded, gets it resolved. It always does in and look, I don't know exactly what their smoking over over it fits, but it's like they all of a sudden realise that there is some there's, some political war recession in the united states, and you know it's it's a goal of shocked and and and horrified. It is that it's been that way for while we

to this brink of firms in default. For many times now, and- and yes, we are in the end, we feel we always are under the full faith in credit in the united states, and a man would be better. I think if we did away with the dead ceiling, did away with this ridiculous exercise and and and obviously makes people nervous, but by two to today, just out of the blue, apropos of nothing oh gee, this is a this is a problem we get a downgrade. It just seems ridiculous to me, I'm with Jamie diamond, it's it's. It doesn't actually mean anything it does. It doesn't anything and again, I can't tell you so famous com Sorry, I'm so bored with the usa, I'm so bored with them with these why any debates about the dead ceiling- cause. I always get resolve cause. They have get resolve

they also in the january six stuff. Yeah scared the hell out of this summer We're even yelling the morning after on this show, shouting guarantees I can't remember as our during it was a frightening time for us but here we are a couple years or move What are we saying, justice down like mighty waters over a thousand of those rioters arrested overflow. five hundred of them already serving jail time. Nobody get away with, anything and yes the rest, we're not going to see rioters this week is because people most likely. The riot are either arrested, in jail or go? I'm yeah fine. I'm just gonna go on for Chad and the pen in my mom's basement and type out my complaint while eating cheetah site this

still has held and is held? damn well yeah slowly but surely- and there is a direct line between January six, twenty twenty one that horrifying day that we are watching that many people experience from inside the building. Many members of congress, many of our colleagues in the media and to today now accountability the press, the former president united states, the president that day who helped bloke need those people to the capital at four o clock this afternoon. We'll be arranged in DC federal court, not far at all from the scene of so many of those crimes in january, six will be inside the dc federal court he'll be arranged on four felony charges stemming from his alleged efforts to block the peaceful transition of our following his twenty twenty election laws are remind The charges are conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an attempt to obstruct and official proceeding and can

piracy against right, so Jotham, linear. This is an extraordinary day. We ve seen a couple of arraignments already with this former president, but this day in a court house. There really is a couple of blocks from the it states, capital, Donald trump and to washington to answer first step anyway the arrangement to answer, for he is alleged to have done to cause the damage that day, it's actually I'm a familiar ritual, but it shouldn't be less stunning than the four presidents states is going to be going to court house, processed by law enforcement he's got to stand, is routine and into custody, he's got to say, in front of a judge to enter a plea. We expect, of course, to be not guilty. We now and then he will be released and then have released regime I'm paying for the white house. Should- and we don't know yet if we will hear from trump publicly today after last remnants, he did hold media availabilities speeches that night that this campaign, He said if you will this time, certainly at the very least he'll beyond true social, but just be to us about what this moment means this

the kind of thing a for a leader trying to cling to power to defy the wishes, the voters, this the kind of thing for foreign policy export that we see in other countries we ve, never seated here and even This case, some believe, might be difficult to prove. Isn't it an important step that for this democracy that we're trying step. Four, the democracy that we reached this point, and we to say where a country of laws not of men or we're gonna, find out we're gonna we're going to test its just right now, it looks like the laws are prevailing, but we'll see happens with the legal process, will see how the poor, Google calendar and the legal pounder play out what happen with no nov, what worked for fifteen months away from the net? presidential election see what what happens there. the rest of the world is looking at this world canvas John charted buddy It gets too soon to feel good in the sense of the primacy of the law, the primacy process and so forth. We'll say ended

but this is as direct the throat jonathan as we had in our history. Let's not kid ourselves! This is as frontal assault the rule of law on american democracy. Donald trump is violating essentially what I would call the cardinal tenant of of a democracy, which is that we all have the obligation to put the country before our party or a person and He is doing what he did and what he is doing. Continues to violate that. That's the cardinal obligation of a democracy so he's on trial, when the funny should away where on trial, because there's a legal process here, but ultimately there's a political process in the question is what prevails Joe list that calendar back up for a moment I mean that is an extraordinary calendar. You know we sort of just become so inert everything in immersed in I'll. Just take a look at that. it's a man running to be present of united states. Look what his, You're so looks like you ve got an arraignment today potential georgia will call it

The georgian indictment coming later this month. Maybe a debate maybe Well, maybe won't show up, but just go down the list and then, once you get into the caucasus and the primaries he's gonna be hopscotch in between it's where he's trying to win an election and to courtrooms up and down these coast. It really is on believe they're getting ready in georgia getting rather barriers out and most sheriff speaking out talking about it will be treated like anybody else going to get a mug shot. That's a georgia indictment, possibly his area hospital mug shot before the g o p presidential debate, with with several other indictments before him It's really something. But if you look at that, if you look at that schedule, if you look at that calendar richard, you know, you viewed written a book and you expressed concerns about how we ve met Enemy and the enemy is ourselves. I would, I would only say, thou

again you look at the thousand people arrested for the january six riots, a five hundred that are in jail. Now you look at the facts, the most powerful guy in in the country of four for forty years is, is now facing justice. I would say: that's quite a confirmation that here looks at least for now. No man is above the law that sends a very clear message to our friends and enemies alike. It does, and so far in that sense, so good. It's terrible that we've reached this point, but it's impressive The centre is held a few well, the political and legal. This legal system, Joe, has held, bought it infertility over will. We will see how it plays out and going into some. If Jonathan was referring to know we're used to seeing this thing and in other countries this illiberalism, the idea of are basically what donald trump

represents here is an american, strong man in latin america, the old phrase was cordelia. That is what we are seeing here. The real question is there we will let him get away with it. We, the jury's and we Ultimately, the vote or choice. I think it's funny, but are we know who he is, what we don't yet So we are, and it's all in order to find out what we the majority of us are, but he had a lot of perils, powerful supporters and a lot of his supporters have powerful platforms and there still out there and there sir, doing what they are doing even today. We cannot let let's let's face it. He's got one powerful platform that is generated so much if of of this reality that we now live in you look at me pull. Ninety one percent of fox news viewers, don't believe he did anything wrong. That's because their plugged in who, what they see it every day and well there we and other people pass their judgments on, whether that's a good

for western name on here is a shop at the debate more than they want to cover the story because they have that debate run and they want as ratings and that's donald trumps ploy, This entire country, a ploy ratings and go to businesses and going to people who feel laughed out and appealing them and getting their support cry. Size ratings. That's a sweet Are you you and that's how it gets people and, under his you left out the most important thing, grim money he wants money, and I will say yesterday we were talking about the two hundred and fifty billion two hundred. Fifty million dollars that he stole from people for their clothes. Stop this still effort, I think you'd tax. Scottie circle back around that's a german tammy fade bakers, game. That's a steep abandoned scheme on a large scale. I suspect gonna be seeing more that richard is right. We ve seen this in venezuela with strong men. We ve seen it now and for

democracies, ike hungry, that's now, in a liberal democracy, the orbit started a move that direction paul when poland appears to be pulling back, we're seeing a right now in Israel. That is very depressing to see, but benjamin yahoo is doing. Did that democracy right now and what we are seeing? A battle of or democracy and western values. Right now, the united states will see how it plays out richard. Thank you so much richer find the quality care you need all in one place: introducing center for sports medicine and orthopedics, outpatient surgery, orthopedic excellence, sports medicine, all made possible with strikers cutting edge technology at center for sports medicine and orthopedics care meets convenience. We are designed to get you treated and back home in ours because our passion is getting you back to yours called for two three: six: two: four: two: six: nine six or visit sport man, dot com to learn more about center for sports medicine and orthopedics. Today, center for sports medicine and orthopedics here than home.