A grand jury in Washington returned a new four-count indictment criminally charging former President Trump with his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election and subvert lawful votes.
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action is now congresses certified the results. I do want to say the elections are over. I just want to say
congress has certified the results without any elections ever again.
Now over. So let's illusion
don't
hours after the deadly insurrection, Donald trump still refuse to admit the election was
over those lies and all
in so damage inflicted on the country are now at the centre of the new cap,
when all case facing the ex president of the united states, who is a candidate to be the next president,
not in states good morning and welcome to more
Joe. It is wednesday august
can the month of august coming and like a lion. Let's dive right, Andy, yesterday's unprecedented events out of washington, where former president
donald trump, who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the united states constitution has been indicted.
allegedly trying to subvert that very same document. A federal grand jury convened
special council jack Smith voted to charge the president
his alleged to efforts to stay in power after
losing the twenty twenty election
Forty five page indictment lays out for felony charges against trump. They are conspiracy
defraud the united states conspiracy to obstruct the official proceeding obstruction of an attempt to obstruct benefit.
proceeding an conspiracy
against rights. Tromp is scheduled to make his first court appearance in the new case tomorrow. At four p
and in washington. Special council smith, spoke about the case
after the indictment was unsealed and
If a the seriousness of the charges, the attack,
our nations capital,
january. Sixteen, twenty twenty one was an unfair
it ended, assault on the seat
american democracy is described in the indictment it was fuelled by lies, lies by the defendant target,
at obstructing a bedrock function of the? U s: government in nature
the process of collecting counting in certifying the results of the presidential election.
we're going to dig deeper into all of these charges the potential jail time that comes with all of these charges, but as people think back to january six, twenty twenty one two and a half years ago, the way they felt watching people storm into
capital. The way they felt not hearing
The price of united states to stop at the way they felt watching cops, get beaten up with american flags. Justice is
shouldn't, and here it is a forty five page indictment that shows the bill now has come due for that day
near the wheels of justice grind slowly had a like vague grind. Finally,
the area and we have by the way we have just saki mike abash loss, chuck Rosenberg, kinda, lady and george Conway might barnacle John beecham claremont gaskell andrew. I
david, fragile, sharp deny me, go down the list: bob woodward Joyce vance, Michael smite, Neil cod.
Yes, I remember John
we have, and we have so many people here today to talk about what certainly is
most important criminal case in the history stood out to you in this great republic
You know it so easy meagre and, and will
We we do this every day and we see the lies and
We see republicans, unfortunately, and people on the tromp right in media, just
going along with him and lying at its very discouraging what stood
to me, though, ring this forty five page document,
is far from being a democratic conspiracy
against donald trump is adopted
All forty five pages phil
not only republicans that supported donald trump and voted for
donald trump, but peace.
well whose lives depended on him, winning the election.
I've been richer. More power
full more connected. Had he been elected and these are the
people
and time again that jack smith drew evidence from Gaza
from, and it is astounding willie I go through this document. I see he's just
when things against the wall, one. Why, after another
instantly and time and
again not only
rule saying now: that's not true, MR president, it's not
editorial page, tory page editor for the new york times, saying that it's it's not somebody
and NBC seen prime time saying that its republicans- I just if, if you all well
be patient with me for one minute.
so telling jackson
right, says: he's claims were false and the defendant knew they were false. In fact, the defendant was notified report repeatedly that
claims were on true often by the p,
on whom he relied on four candid advice in important matters and were best
position to know the facts and
deliberately.
Regarded the truth, for instance,
and they use through the defendants vice president
the times the defendants vice president told him. Mr president, that's wrong
it's against the law. We can't do it
in your leaders of Donald trump justice department, the director,
of national intelligence. Again, his
sensible adviser on intelligence matters does
views that offend the notion that there were any
any election interference department of homework,
securities, cyber security infrastructure security agency, called it
the most secure.
american history and then he was fired and he was fired the day after he put that out,
all donald trump senior white house attorney surgeries and why he went after the cat
conspirators. He gave cause all of donald trump
senior white house attorneys that state with him through charlotte that state
home through racist comments about
vader about
ass whole countries about you name it all all the
she language, they stayed within through two impeachment. Very
or the people tat stood,
his senior whitehouse attorneys so like.
By donald trump, to provide him. Candid advice informed the defendant.
Time and again there was no evidence
evidence of this fraud and also told him
presidents can end on january, the twentieth,
twenty one
senior staffers on the definitive twenty twenty campaign, whose
our mission was the defendants, real action think about how much more powerful they would have been
If he had one set of sir
for jobs. What are they doing now now they're testifying
And donald trump talking about the lies and time and again they said
What you're saying, MR president, just isn't true state and federal courts
Is Jack Svensson rejected every outcome. Determined of post election law suit filed by the defendant is coke in spirit.
his allies, providing the defendant
time noticed that is
the will merit, was again republicans, Republicans republicans and errors.
The arizona speaker of the house who was pushed and pressured by donald trump said. If
we're evidence of illegal votes or in the proper account in arizona law, provides a process to contest the election
but the law does not authorize a legislature to reverse rule zone.
of an election as a conservative republican, I dont, like
results of the presidential election. I voted for present drop in. I worked hard to re elect him, but I cannot
wilma, entertain a suggestion that we violate current law did change
the outcome of a sort of five elections in his life
aged under laws that we voted upon. Arizona voters chose it, and our system requires that in evangelical, a republican lifetime republican, a trump supporter
refused to do it in georgia, the senior campaign advisor
whole donald trump, that his dead
odors claim was untrue and he wrote this. He said quote
When our research campaign can't back up any of the claims made by our elite strike force legal team, you can see. Why
oh and thirty. Two on our cases are obvious,
a hustle and help on all frogs. But it's tough to own any of this when it's all
conspiracy, shit being down from
mothership quote closed again a proper
wanted, Donald trump, don't win in georgia. The lies about the five thousand.
Dead people, the georgia secretary of states and well, MR president,
The challenge you have your data is wrong. The actual number were to that
and climbed out of state. Voters voted in georgia to join,
Separating saves council said we ve gone through
to those as well and those numbers. We got rid of it
we're just saying: they're, not accurate. You can go through every
go stay. The michigan this house
This is an amazing statement. We
gently examined these reports of fraud to the best of our ability, said the republican speaker of the house in michigan
who donald trump had invited to the white house to pressure him. I fought hard for present.
prompt. Nobody wanted him to win more than me. I think he's done and credible job, but I love our republic to MIKE.
fathom risking our norms, traditions and institutions.
as a resolution retroactively changing electors for trop, I fear
would lose our country for ever this trip
would bring mutually assured destruction for every future elections
in regards the electoral college- and I can't stand for that- I want won't nodded
your york times editorial writer, not an embassy, MSNBC prime time house now mornings right wing concern
that is speaker of the house to support it down
prompt away said he can't do it. Then you go,
another state and on december
Seven tromp race
with acting attorney general specific VON claim.
Wisconsin and acting deputy attorney general told donald trump. They claim
was false and willing, we can go on and on and on its. Why did I,
and all of that time. Talking about it, because right now, democrats are being blamed for this Democrats are
its supposedly something to distract from hotter buying, who we ve said time
Can he do anything wrong sending to jail? We dont care? I mean that if we wait, we it's it's up to the justice department. It's up to its up to the people. The price
getting but they're they're, claiming that this is some left wing conspiracy, v,
was written all the statements republic.
The january six testimony Cassidy Hutchinson all of the people who testified there very warm republicans whose
very professional lives depended on donald trump winning
that when you are areas that was the power
effectiveness of the january six select committee, it's important that you just lay that out, because the art
already were hearing from trump defenders and even from his own attorneys on tv, is that he was operating in good faith, which is to say he actually thought the elect
had been stolen from them will now, if you go through these forty five
pages, as you just did in a very important
because it shows who exact
and how many people were telling him. Sir. You lie
ass, the election. Here's a claim that you put up
Here's why it's nonsense! Here's another claim and state by state go to michigan and go to pennsylvania, go to wisconsin, go to arizona and yes go to georgia, where
hear more from the day in full in county. Perhaps in a matter of a couple of weeks here about that case, he knew
So the argument that this was all in good faith is nonsense, as laid out here and as was laid out. As you said in the january six committee, the other defend
were hearing this morning and last night was that this was about the first amendment. He had the right
to say these things well, jack's met the special council.
A short circuits vat in the indictment too, and yesterday saying yes, of course, we can see that he has the right to say these things that is protected in the first amendment
he doesn't have the right to do- is to go out and work too old
turn the results of the election, which is to say, put in false electors,
You can say whatever you want to do, but you can't do that.
Things that he is alleged to have done here to overturn it
need twenty election in your right, Joe speaker, mccarthy, Kevin Mccarthy, the speed
The house yesterday said, as this came out, he was there
he was furious. We ve talked about this. He was screaming donald trump on the phone and January says he knows what happened. He knows what donald trump did
said yesterday after this came out this indictment he said well, this is just an attempt by democrats in the biden, depart
justice to distract from that big hunter Biden news we had yesterday, that is the defence in the face of all of this
so I must be very clear here why
You brought that up. Willie lets me very
we're here.
While there were reply. I talked about all the republicans that that shows
tree over over an attempted coup. Last night there people like Heaven,
garthie though, and there were also some people on other tv networks who who continued the law,
I mean these are people who spent months
in november. The fourth election day spent money,
undermining america's confidence in democracy sad
choosing donald trump over
american democracy and lied about it repeatedly evidence here
black and white, they lied about
they knew they were lying. Just cite, Kevin Mccarthy knows he's like water.
Doing now. All
of all of their wise lead in january, the six. That's what people game in writing because they lied about a mere
democracy, so they ve been sued bay.
out almost a billion dollars there probably going
have to pay out another billion dollars and what
they doing now. Let's be really clear about this now Kevin Mccarthy and
troms allies in in the right wing, tromp media.
now undermining america's confidence in our judicial system,
James Madison's third branch.
Balances out the other two and protects the constitution of the united states. Now it wasn't enough from november
through january, the six to undermine
americans, faith incompetence. What is the americans? Thirty five? Thirty
six thirty seven percent, but enough an optical.
Chaos enough to try to make a run at overturning the federal government, that's how they spent their fall in twenty twenty and wetter.
Now there are spending their fall in spring of time,
Twenty three and summer point: twenty three under
mining america's faith in our
in the dc area in arms
justice department,
like they savage the military, just like they savage intel community, just like they savage
universities' and colleges' the best in the world there savaging every instant
ocean in the name of a failed reality, tv host of fair,
the president, who is lost in elections from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three, and yet they continue to savagery and so now,
Kevin Mccarthy, doing after savaging american democracy.
Is now savaging our judiciary,
Let's just say a lot of opinion hosts another tv network.
are doing the same thing and I can see why they don't want to
the stock and then never saw actually reading it look at everything we we were watching nobody, what they were drawn
doodling on it. Joking about talking about. Others are good reason. Why? Because these facts
from that black all their business. Republican, visual PA
can indictment, it's not something.
You're gonna want to read if you ve spent the last
couple years depending on websites,
run by chinese religious cults,
Let me say that again, if you are
r r r, depending on china
his religious calls for your information about the united states of america. The greatest country in the face of the earth are maybe
maples facebook postings that she got from somebody
like in russia
you're not going to want to have the truth from republicans. This is the truth from repub. Let's bring in the first of a number of all star panels we have this morning for you, the host of way too early white house bureau, chief at politico, jonathan LE mayor,
author of the big lie, former white has pressed
between now and MSNBC, hosting saki joins us, and
I see justice and intelligence corresponded ken Delaney here former you,
the attorney and senior fbi official chuck, Rosenberg attorney
and contributing colonists at the washington post, george conway and
NBC news presidential historian, Michael bachelor,
The learning and set about forests, Joe media
so very well. But you know what so remarkable about this environment is. It starts off, as he said, with jackson
acknowledging the dull job not only at the right,
the claim fraud in the election. He had the right to lie about it. We had the first amendment right to lie, but
to lodge a campaign of what smith called prevail.
seven destabilizing, lies and then act on it that cross the line into criminal conspiracy
and the indictment charges three separate conspiracies conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct that official proceed.
congress on january, six conspiracy did to brought deprive voters of there.
It's in those seven states and
I found remarkable because there was a lot of reporting on this along. The way is that
I was wondering whether they were going to charge and they did the plot to subvert the justice department.
I found to be the most dangerous part of the whole thing, because remember Jeffrey clark and speed
conspirator number four, and this indictment of water
but the oj to send a letter to states say
the justice department had found pervasive fraud in the election. We recommend that you call your legislature into special session
and, as you said, Joe, those tromp appointed career of people at the justice department said that's crazy,
not doing that and they stopped it, but nonetheless, jack smith has charged it in a conspiracy. As part of this indictment here
and the indictment doesn't charge, Donald trump within
I, the violence on general sick that doesn't charge him with seditious conspiracy, but what it clearly are
equality towards the end is the doll tromp everything that puts it. Try to explore
indeed exploit the violence at the capitol ungenerous ex too
continue his campaign is alleged campaign to try to
delay and subvert the lawful transfer power in part by calling
having separate lawmakers, newsome new evidence about calling sent
there is even as the violence was unfolding and asking them to continue to delay.
and lasting I'll say that I'm stealing little bit from chuck roseberry here, so forgive me chuck, but
There are legitimate defences. This
all the evidence that you laid out a lot of people. I talk you think that donald trump could
persuasively claim, but he legitimately believe the election was stolen and or that he was relying on the advice of lawyers, but the problem without defence is
it seems that it would require him to testify
trial. Who else can talk about donald trump
state of mind and
ITALY would be legally disastrous. So it's a real trap. The jack smith has set for donald trump.
in a breathtaking forty, five page, a dynamic ass. It is
breathtaking forty five page indictment, it is, it is narrow, it is focused. It is powerful for the reasons that can pointed out willie. First of all, he doesn't have to prove that donald trump
responsible, the riot and, secondly, he's a b.
at the very beginning, Donald trump has a right to lie if wants
He has a right to lie, but then he moves on that
conspiracies he he took part in where he lay not specifically. I wasn't writes about her so right about, as I also say, Jeffrey clarks name being in their makes one eric
enrichment very prescient,
ass. We learn again and other donald trump lawyer, Donald trump lawyer, who defended him through impeachment
fitted into the very end up until january, the six telling Jeffrey clark you better get yourself a
the criminal defensive honey and we found out yes,
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Your post is playing it straight
conspiracy to defraud the united states. Talking about donald trump.
daily news crimes against democracy, of courses, headline news and papers, not just across the country but around the world. So
Rosenberg, your name was invoked, thereby can I'll. Let you have a crack at this forty five page document. What
we've seen at what's there and what's
in it. Were you surprised by anything? As you read through the indictment, it was
extraordinary indictment, willie compelling linear by the way prosecutors don't put things in an indictment unless they can prove it
what you see in this environment over and over is Joe so well articulated, are
lots of la words of high ranking republic and officials, who told MR trump over and over that he was wrong, that the election was fairly hell, that he had lost, that there is no basis to check
at once, all of his appeals and law suits had been denied. There's a really interesting issue
Here willing, if I wanted to prove what you know, I could either
based on what you say, worn. What you're told
and this indictment is replete with what Mr Tromp was
told over and over again that he had lost the election. So I think can is exactly right to point out that there is not
the amendment concerned in bringing these charges it's not
He believed is not even what he said: it's what he did. The crime is what he
Did he acted on falsely held beliefs? Now again-
The department of justice doesn't put things in an indictment that it can't prove. So I imagine that all of these witnesses- overwhelmingly high ranking republic and officials in the trump administration have gone before the grand jury have testified under oath and that testimony will be the same. Testimony adduced at mister trumps criminal trial. It's a damning indictment. It's a compelling case. It was and remains a threat to our democracy.
You know it's interesting, really talking about all the people that testified before the grand jury. Obviously my pants, you can
this has. He played an extra.
only significant role but another name that sort of floating out their mark meadows, many assuming he was not named as a co conspirator. A very easy could have been. It suggests.
that may be summoned the trump team who were so worried that he gone quiet silent autumn there
inner spheres may have been may have come true
because there's
gesture. That mark meadows also helped put this together
It was seen a couple of weeks ago walking into a courthouse and staying mum on the case. A lot of people speculating that, maybe he is cooperating. We don't know that, but that does lead to
questions, as you read through this george conway you're, leafing through
as we speak- and I read it yesterday as well. What have I to you as an attorney
some thought of me is this: I think we owe
a of credit to the january six committee, because I mean there are some.
trusting things in here that we didn't haven't seen before it's kind of hard, given the fire hose of information that we have had over the last three years about this to figure out which things we ve seen in which things we haven't, but most of it
mentally tracks, but being
that were laid out and backs that were drawn out in the january sixth hearings and and end
putting the charges are mean the charges three, seventy one, fifteen twelve, since various
for the united states and of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeded instruction in an official proceed,
Those were the same statutes that be january. Six committee work
negating about me in front of the judge.
Los angeles when they were contesting. He spends refusals pretty stocking
so they really very laid out a road map for the prosecutors in the role and the prosecutors have just went with it and I'm really impressed with how quickly MR smith has put this altogether, even though
even though so much of this was gathered by junior six committee. It's a lot to kind of shrimp trip it down to its essence,
what we really need to prove and the fact that the only charge one defended, I think, is absolutely critical, because
the more defendants. You add to this, the more exponentially complicated, the pretrial. Previously proceedings become, and so what
donnie beer is he's trying to pack. Education can be tried next year, and I think you know
the right judge and people say this judge, you know she's innocent,
try a lawyer of up well one or a public defender on cheap
she should be able navigate this to a trial lecture, I think, and that judges,
added down some of the stiffest sentences yet to january sixth participants. Those rioters are the second sentence. The second sentence, the indictment is simply the defendant lost the two thousand and twenty presidential election. It goes from there that he spread lies
that he'd actually one. Those claims
false and they defended knew that they
false, and it is interesting how
actually little the defensive
He wore a six play in here. This is about the big lie. This is about the months of the lie
and conspiracies in efforts to overturn the election ticking through state after state some states that doctor
I lost my lesson: appoint like georgia, one new
mexico, where he lost by ten points. It is a concern
piracy that is laid out, so
clearly, and so,
Plainly and it's interesting what charges do not appear here, there was nothing here about inciting insurrection through,
no seditious conspiracy charge, which some had speculated, might be part of this, because we saw some members of the oath keepers in prague. Boys received similar charges. That's not the case to georgia's point the scene.
like. It is meant to be as clear and streamlined as possible to move forward as quickly as possible,
and joan make it. We are left with a scene next year
we're. Donald trump is gimme shuttling from courthouse. Courthouse from campaign round
campaign rally. It's not just that he's a former president.
Leaving republican to be
The nomination for that nominee for that party again, he has a chance to be president again
What this indictment is about,
it's so serious, and maybe it will be the hardest to prove in a court, but it is about the very heart of our democracy and important moment, like we ve, never faced before
So why it's interesting that this indictment is very simple on president trumps actions, not on the actions of others riding at the capital, but his axe actions trying to change,
the results of an election and
infringe on the rights of voters, impede them jen aki
is what stands out to you in this and is the Biden whitehouse playing at right by doing a movie night president's often when on big moments,
meagre and- and I think that this is, as we all been talking about unprecedented and an unprecedented moment in history in this- is about donald trump. It's not about Joe Biden
if you're sitting in a white house right now, that's what you're thinking about you want to leave
space. For this, the significant
of this indictment that we have all read through what highlighted and left notes and at the moment
story and not make it about the presidential campaign or the political campaign now well. They lead
breathe right now, but I do think is the right thing to do there,
You're going to at some point have to figure out.
how to run against trump and what is in the details of the type of things that are income
and the contrast there is not about getting into the specifics of the indictment or the or trumps Chris
challenges or the legal cases or what is gonna, be seven hearings. Necessarily, it is about the contrast of what Joe Biden is going to represent if he's elected to a second term and what trump
represent and, as I was reading through this make, I was thinking yesterday or last night about the day before january six january fit twenty twenty one. If we all remember was the day that
Was this the election in georgia right when off
and warnock were elected, they won those special elections.
It was only on the transition and what we were worried about and thinking about at that moment was yes.
The lay in the certification of the outcome and shenanigans on the floor right eye by shooting
guns, I mean thing
done. Well, you know from a legislative standpoint or from members who are supporters of trap we
underestimated. We all did what tromp was capable
and reading this is a reminder of what he is capable of, and that is the thing that stuck out to me because we still have a lot of time to go. Trump is not going to be mute.
he's going to be out there on the campaign trail, we ve seen them already tried to he's. Raising money already tried to get his p
to come out and that's the other place
but overall, I think that white house
the first thing, the white house. You want this to be about trump. You want the air space, all of that to be on that, because that's
for history and the right thing for them politically
this moment as well
yeah. I owe you we all did. Certainly you said you did. I will just say I did as well
underestimated, the weeks to which he would continue to go. Trying to overthrow this election.
and after reading this, I also will admit I underestimated many republican office holders.
Dad occasion to their oath over.
Donald trump, you read through this time
am time again whether
it was whether it was
acting attorney general's inside the white house, whether was speakers of the house. You know there will be a collective panic when you would see
should speaker of the house and head of of the senate, go Donald
when Donald trump would put out a statement lying about. My pants would say, might pince agrees with me.
in time again pants time and time again pushed back on the
eyes. It really was it it
striking by reading this just how far donald trump would go and how time
and again he met result.
dense from republican office holders, republican appointees,
I completely, I had a similar reaction and I kind of have these energy label that the top state by state, because what is so us
about how this is written and maybe jack smith is a better communicator than we give him credit for by the way. That's another take away. Is that the these officials
these states. To your point I mean there's an entire section on each state. Georgia, specifically stuck out to me as well
these official standing up time and time again that we knew this from all of the report
and discussion over the last couple of years, but it does stand.
Do you also, on page thirty? Six of this indictment of people haven't read through, I recommend they do it. It starts the whole.
Conversations and the whole perspective of mike pens and the price
conversations MIKE pants had with donald trump, including which stuck out to me
I can't get it out of my head this moment.
Where his chief of staff was so concerned, because Donald trump essentially threatened him in a private meeting who is concerned about MIKE pence safety that
vice president of the united states, who served with the president who stood
I am campaigned with him advocated for his policies and its chief of staff was so concerned about his safety, because the vial
it's here and the threats was, of course, of no concern. It seems
you read this this indictment and that that also stuck out to me as a person with a very deep voice
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Trumps, threat that he
to fight he now
to the sea.
service. Yes to, let them know did device press
that would be in danger. The next day
on january, the sixth
and sure enough, he was Michael bash laws. Data I mean
You you saw year for add is that what we call them? I saw your threat last knife
go- and you said, remember this night, yeah and- and I went back through
but my lifetime- and you know back when we were much much younger. I remember for me
on august. Ninth, nineteen. Seventy four, my grandma was driving me through elmira heights. When the news broke on the radio, the richard
and had resigned.
It was one of those moments. It stuck with me that really
do it out. Remember this night
What you said last night, I think I suspect we all will be
looking back on last night,
as far as a turning point in this horrible chapter of american history,
totally agree- and I think one thing will remember- is how last night and the twelve hours since jack smith
labour. That indictment with the help of a courageous grand jury
how does this fit into the larger amounts?
story, I think the last twelve hours fit perfectly into the
good story- and that is this-
time to time america faces threats from
monsters who want to destroy our democracy,
that happened in eighteen, sixty one with the confederacy,
I'm like them, and you know
are there and soldiers and northern voters came to our rescue, save the union the same.
Happen in nineteen. Thirty three, all
at the last minute, franklin role:
Those came to power saved
economic system, pearl
bird nineteen, forty one we were bombed
Our system was very much endanger our democracy, many people
we're getting it up and saying that the demand
chrissy had seen it
stays. Blank row
that- would help to put a coalition together at the last minute
democracy,
freedom around the world, nine eleven
two thousand one also.
I've been login and other terrorist hated. Our demand
when they try to destroy it. You
we're on going. What we see
This indictment is that
January six, twenty twenty one donald trump, just like those
the threats to american democracy try to destroy our system,
take away our rule of law came very close to doing it
to take away our system of elections to take away.
Tradition of peaceful transfer of power to
who elected president. It almost happened, and
thing is joe and maker and willing and everyone it's on
happening again this morning. Just
You say it was the republican front, runner, Donald trump
threatening to do it all again, but even more effectively than saying he's going to institute a presidential dictators,
that, we may assume, is going to take our democracy away, and this indictment now close with this is coming at all
of last minute. I think if it had been two or three months later, we do.
less optimistic about the chance that a trial can take place.
Before next year's elections an end
Your comments reminded me of of lincoln's statement. Then
all the armies of
Open asia couldn't take a drink from the ohio river are
make a track
the blue rage mountains. A if
we as a nation or die
die by suicide by our own rights riot and then in and
and then america, democracy we pay.
Act ourselves we save ourselves from danger, say us to that point:
Actually, this is where I think it's it's it's fair enough to question,
those right now, like speaker, cabin mccarthy, like proposal
hence in congress and like those too,
the hosts. I understand the fealty to donald trump. I understand the fear they may have of donald trump. I accept all
but what I don't understand right now
denying what is in this document and the testimony under oath by other republicans in six different states, local politicians who stood
An testified telling their story, and I don't understand why these
lawmakers. Why this speaker of the house, and why
tv hosts who are constantly in feeding donald trump
eager why they can't give these people a chance to be heard why they can't read this document and take a look at what ok might have happened.
they happen to our democracy? If you were there on january six than if you saw what happened, I know what have they know what happened? I know what happened, but but my point is your: actually this point going against what
publicans, are saying what happened, and you can see this on fox news last night is split between some opinion are really
it really just turned in some extraordinarily sad depressing performances
and they're doing it because they fear unfortunate their own view,
worse, they know they know and other people on fox news, and we saw it think Steve Doocy had to wait. We saw a clip of Steve doocy early on bret barrel
ass night talking to
security. There are other people and fox news they covering the new culture than those covered. It straight covered it hard told the truth. So, there's a split in the
all the people. In the same way, the republicans we talked about the republicans, then
I have done the right thing here and I think, what's it all the more remarkable about the republicans in here that have done the right thing are
We ve seen over the past six years, who have it. They don't fear donald trump,
eight donald trump. Let me say that again, Kevin Mccarthy
these other republicans that suck up did they. Don't they don't fear him, they hate em. They fear his supporters
fear is supporters will turn the channel to another network. They fear
His importers will vote for another republic and that's a talk in a last look at primary. They fear
We see and hear republicans warlike, listen, I'm a conservative, I voted,
from I wanted in the when I loved
station. More then I love donald trump
it will not lie for this guy. I will. I will not betray my country four dollars.
and so again that's what so disappointing with some of these people that we see, who spent from
never before to january the sex
mining american democracy in turning the mob,
the united states, capital, adding
congress,
and now the same people on tv and in congress that
everything they can to turn americans against the system of
justice that sustain this great republic.
For over two hundred forty years chalk can you can
time? Why are we
Your stand, the time line in the document case
idea. What we should expect we ve heard fair in,
speedy trial several times over the past twelve,
hours or so why? What's that
time line. Are you expecting to say here- and I want to refer back to something that George Conway said, because it's an important point and it helps answer your question joe right
there's only one defended in this case, MR trump, the moral
I'll go case, as we know has three
and so this is a similar case, it's more streamlined with three defendants. You have three defence teams, which means three opening statements and three closing arguments and every government witnesses cross examined three times. That's not true here is
also doesn't involve classified information. There's no steeper classified information procedure act proceedings that will be necessary to bring this case the trial. So it's simpler now here's my bias. I come from the eastern district of Virginia, where I was a federal prosecutor is known as the rocket docket and cases move with dispatch.
My belief is that this case can be tried before the election. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't
sat up to me it's up to the judge, but this seems like a much more streamlined case now. One caveat missed
smith said yesterday, and we haven't talked about it yet that the investigation continues. So is possible,
This indictment, too, will be superseded and other defendants could be added, but in its current posture I believe it's not just possible but imperative that it be brought before the election and meagre. I hope this makes you feel a little bit better this case.
will not be decided in the halls of congress and it will not be decided on television that will be decided by twelve ordinary citizens in a federal district court room in the district of columbia. Those are the voters who met
In this case, we can talk about it. All that we like for this case will turn on the facts and on the law and in the appropriate. Then you for a determination that MR trump
among the most serious crimes imaginable in the history of our republic. That is such an import
point chop. Everything were hearing on cable news, all the true social, all caps posts, everything you hear from members of congress, that's politics! This is the law.
and you cannot run from this. Forty five page indictment. Luckily, we have four hours this morning because there is so much to get through here
and can just a couple of quick passages from page thirty, three desperate
vice president paths, my pants on christmas day. Twenty twenty calls
president trump to wish him a merry christmas quickly and
bonds to merry christmas. Donald trump ass him too,
returned the results of the election on January six and,
as president reportedly replies you know, I don't think I have the authority.
to change the outcome, but mary
miss to you, MR president, JANET
first and boy doesn't this capture the whole thing: the defendant, former pray,
Tromp calls berating. Vice president, my pants, because here too
who was the lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that would have helped
donald trump.
Says to vice president pants quote: you're too honest. That was a
law, that he was too honest. So can issue
look over the horizon now. We know that president
president trump will have to be at the arraignment
tomorrow, morrow or appear in some form at the arraignment tomorrow? What
friends from here. What kind of time line are you expecting on this? Given everything else we now including another case from the special councils office, yet
that will force on my parents? I found a fascinating that the statements from his campaign last night, where some of the most aggressive we ve, seen the up, not lamenting the prosecution of inform president as he has in the past, but saying
essentially no one's above the law and you shouldn't subvert the constitution so fastened.
because he is a key player in the sun
interesting that it appears that the special powers
obtained his contemporaneous notes that the word available to the general six committee, but in terms of
timeline. I mean, I agree with chalk and george Conway. That's the whole point of bringing this case with the thing.
Well, defending an unnamed co conspirators who potentially could be charged later, is to get this to trial before the election, because, because, while chuck said that it's absolutely true that twelve jurors
will decide this case if it goes forward. If it's not true,
before Donald trump is elected president. If in fact, he runs and is elected president, this
This is gonna, go away! That's what bill bar said and that's what everyone believes now the georgia case, which we can talk about later,
can't necessarily go way, because Donald trump would be elected president, but this
and the other federal cases could and that's why this is so crucial.
in terms of the system of justice to get this to trial, and indeed we have it
tonnage can who
It was appointed by Barack obama and twenty thirteen, who is the only judge in Washington DC, who is exceeded
recommendations of prosecutors in some of these january six violence cases
and who actually ruled against donald trump in a crucial january six case, he was trying to keep his
documents away from the generous its committee. She,
but no, in fact, he had to turn over hundreds and hundreds of
documents and in one last thing to say, amplify
What others have said this in
really did rely in huge part on the work of the january six committee staff,
bessie that many texted me last night and simon pretend that Jack Psmith fact us in his remarks you he's being sarcastic but
and you're gonna have to pay for the chief investigator on later. Timothy essentially was forced
of his job as the general council of the university virginia because of his work on that committee, the nation it owes at committee a great debt,
there are a lot of people of the justice department and the legal community who didn't think much of this case who were not prepared
really to even imagine and environment like the one we reading right now until that committee put this evidence in front of them
in public yeah, and there was a deep unhappiness about how slow d J was moving until a generous sixth committee of kick started them, and we should also note to this judge if George, if
since prologue discharge will undoubtedly receive a number of really hateful and anatomy racist attacks from the four president up and his support
I can mention georgian, that's actually where I was wanting to go with you. It's one of the states highlighted, and here we are expecting news from the day down there in full, carry the next couple of weeks at most of another charge per tonne
does not the interplay here. The georgia features so prominently in this federal case and then
state one. How is that can work? Well, I'm there bobo.
me doing their own thing,
funny willis, as the district attorney foreign county said the other day. That is, she doesn't she couldn't pick out, jack's met but of animals,
up or something like that. It doesn't appear
I ve been coordinating closely at all, but the
or what they're trying to do? What they're trying to do? What they're trying to prove is is parallel. I think I think that the strategic choice that mister smith has made to just focus on donald trump.
very, very smart one, and I think that's good. That is
will go to trial. I think before hers, because biology
she's going to bring a much more or
his crime kind of case would be involving the georgia rico statute. It's going involve a lot,
finance and that's that's going to be a you know as as chuck points out that that makes that makes life more difficult for a trial, judge and
I think that the end of the day, what matters is you get two bites: the apple innocence, the theirs. I just
see how we survives all of these cases, Donald trump, because it
each one is this plant he's played russian roulette with the law, and I just don't think he's. I don't think he's gonna make it through the next year
Michael backslash eyes, Donald trump, at four p m tomorrow. I want to ask you to give some perspective too that moment
as he faces this indictment had on. This would be his third there
an arrangement of a former president and his
indictment. I
and think of historical parallel
because there isn't one right right:
right here is not only a sometimes there's not, and in this case you know here is the ex president,
zuma, believe assuming he's found guilty of this return
the scene of his crime. I made
such an american tail here, he's being
ought to washington in the vicinity of the cap
where this is
Correction took place
near the white house, where he planned this plot against america to steal, our democracy
a jury of twelve ordinary,
no american citizen, his ordinary, but twelve,
african citizens, which is the highest title we have in this.
Do you not president, not chief justice,
they will need to decide his date if the
There's came back from seventeen eighty seven and they
this happening. What better
blow that damage
rates that no human being in this country should be above the law
No man is an jen psaki donald trump now faces. Seventy eight counts across three criminal indictments
and as people who have been supportive of donald trump, all along lawyers and said many have said. If he's
The uneven one of those seventy eight counts. It could in fact be
I've sentence for him just one just
just one hour: seventy eight
of all of those and and Jan that doesn't even include georgia? Well, it's
hang up soon. I'm just curious feel free to comment on that also
comment about how do you
started to talk about this before by how difficult it was
actually during the transition trying to set up a government because
all of this chaos that
was going on gas look, I'm gonna
play a student and Michael bash losses. Class right now, that's trying to please Michael bash loss, but I will say that what's important to remember here that you can get a lot of attention is
history of peaceful transition of power, and I was
in the obama administration when Barack Obama came in and took over for the
bush administration. There are lots of disagreement
on many policy issues, a rack, the work more being a big one, but we were.
in lock, step with the bush team to help address
financial crisis too
help address any national security threats. That is how it is
was to work. Even when you have substantive disagreements, you accept the outcome, but you also work with people where you have
battled for you have fought publicly where you have debated when when
I'll try came in, and I was in the obama administration during that transition with president obama said to all of us is yes, this is not the outcome we wanted. That is clear, but I expect all of you to behave
way the bush team behave when we came in, which is to treat people
with grace with respect provide them with information. Yes, we disagree with
a guy ram and many other things, but that is what we are expected to do.
This entire transition and everything around it through into
Question that peaceful transfer of power that has been part of our country for hundreds of years,
and that, I think is not should should be a part of the conversation as well, because
If such an important part of how we continue to operate as a democracy,
and there are so many other parts of this conversation still to come this morning, Jen saki and based
ken Delaney informer. U s attorney chuck Rosenberg George!
shhh conway and presidential historian michael bash loss, thank you all very much for come.
on on this important and historic morning, and-
I had a morning Joe much more on this newest indictment against former president donald trump, we'll take a look at one trump
lead attorney is saying about the new charges and a possible defence plot
more than a judge who has been assigned to the case and her history,
of handling damp, handing down stiff penalties to dozens of alone,
january six rioters also ahead, how trumps twenty twenty bork
Pain is already trying to profit of this new indictment and what it means for the gene
hey primary race you're watching
when Joe we'll be right back the day after these
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you called me want to talk with me.
And he said he couldn't reach others.
and he started to ask me about so-
dealing with georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal, and I said to him:
are you out of your. I in mind said I-
Can I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on.
Orderly transition knows we would.
I want to hear any other ethnic words coming out of your mouth, no matter what
an orderly transition. Repeat those words to me
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