Heritable shot of washington d c for you on this thursday morning. It is six o clock on the east coast good morning and well two morning, Joe it's thursday august seventeenth, and we have a lot to get too, including a trial day proposal from Fulton county funny. Well us, while the latest, on her ambitious timeline, plus a woman now facing charges for threatening the federal judge and donald trunks election case will have the disk been gatehouse on that. Meanwhile, tromp ally who spin off the radar for awhile is making headlines this morning will show you, the video of raw, You're your stone that Do serious damage to the claims from trumps league teams you I saw. I sought on or imelda anyone, it's nice staggering, its staggering he's. Actually before the elections called yeah.

They get out, he's mapping out the entire team. conspiracy, the profit they followed undermine the election, ended. Take vote. away from the voters and have republican trump friendly state legislators. Steel. States for donald trump, and they follow that road map What's fascinating is again, he did this before before election was call have that dared here, for you also had a significant show of solidarity from our in the pacific will accept the major meeting happening to morrow at camp David with us the host of way too early whitehouse beer achieve at political and author of the big lie: jonathan le Maire present the national action network and host of MSNBC power takes nation, reverend AL shopton and founder of the kind serve it website the bulwark charlie site

is with us this morning. Let's start with, new pulling on how americans view the serious legal issues surrounding donald trump and their impact on the eventual race, despite strong support among republican voters, new number show trumps. Criminal charges could spell trouble for him in a general elections. That's it understatement. We have a lot of legal issues to get to pertaining to all of this, but first the politics. It seems to be playing out in the latest aid he and I are see centre survey nearly two thirds of adult sixty four percent say they would probably or definitely not support trial if he is the republican nominee next year. Overall, sixty two percent views of former president unfavourably compared to thirty three percent, who view him favourably. As for the four pending cases against him, just fifteen percent of americans are buying the

Ex presidents claims that he did nothing illegal in the georgia case and when it comes to his hoarding of nuclear secrets. On the contrary, fifty three percent say his actions were illegal. Fifty three send to also say they approve of the decision to indict trump in the federal election interference case. So it was that we did. We have a number of policy areas in our continent. Ended suggested that we break these up before and and I thought not what- why do we get about no are so so much to get to their before we even get to the fi news Paul. charlie sykes? This is why republicans have quite leaving panicking about you these numbers, sixty four percent joy. a mere mugabe euro, quick, sixty four percent in the ap paul, sixty four percent say: they're, not gonna, support trump,

next year. I actually saw people connected with it mcconnell and and other republicans waiting that out that this is devastating through the republicans, are and towards putting up. He has a thirty three percent prove all rating. A favourable writing in that paul the majority believe what he did was legal, and there are some The other polls came out yesterday that are showing the same fang independence thinking dramatically away from donald trump in pendant saying he should have been indicted, independent saying overwhelmingly that what he did was illegal and you look at it It is strange that that to me at least but actually the job, your case voter. are more hostile toward him. On the georgian case, then, actually,

election interference, words still forty seven then say what he did was illegal and additionally, present said it was unethical, but by the jewel Your case and the classified documents case those who cases look like this long as we're just gonna. Go daddy mccarthy wrote about the new posts a couple days ago. That is, those cuts if I dont see, and the georgia election there parents cases that are going to cause him the most trouble, probably legally and politically. Well, that's the same view held in trouble that those the two cases all along that David most concerned about in part, because it easier to understand, americans, even

not paying that much attention who sometimes get lost in that there's the steady stream of headlines that emanates from doll, J trump they get. The idea of you shouldn't have nuclear secrets at your golf club in florida. They also have heard the phone call and which is pushing the secretary of state of georgia, brad rapids burger to find him the votes he needs to win. Think get that they'd that resonates there. Breaks through in the pool is startling going through a little bit more here. You know there are fifty four percent of people polled say: don't jump the very idea of democracy, wally nineteen percent say he defended and again among the general populations. This is both parties, sixty four percent of americans, sixty four percent of americans say they will definitely or probably not support trump in twenty twenty four that We leave you with thirty six percent. You can't win an election Thirty. Six percent, so this is as much as trump has tightened, his grip on the republican party,

He is far and away ahead in the geo primary field. Fees are general. numbers. These are general election numbers than nollywood would spell out lost four donald trump, but dragged down the rest. The ticket to That's why there are a lot of republicans panicking that the they could lose out, and the senate would be their chance to retake. The senate would also be jeopardized if trumps name is talk about. yeah we've been very careful not to draw any conclusions on where republicans are going to go. Just because it's been so impossible to figure that out over the past six seven years, my former party charlie sykes from me this Failing a lot like june of nineteen. Seventy four leading up to ten since resignation in August stood the trump will not back out, but I I tell them story repeatedly of my father when I, when I'm trying to get my arms around, how are they staying with donald trump? I remember my own.

Staying with next and until the very end and then reading the transcripts of the tapes and sang that guy is unworthy to be president These numbers, I mean see four percent of american saying they're not going to support, try his approval rating at thirty three percent. Fifty four since saying he threatened democracy itself. Eighteen percent sang may he strengthened. It is unfair the views exploding in continuing to go up and and then you look at these actions classified documents, majority say what It was illegal and georgia lecture interference. Fifty one percent say, with legal thirteen percent, say on ethical. Only fifteen percent, only fifteen percent of americans. Let's underlined this agree with

Donald trump bed. He did nothing wrong. Only fifteen percent of americans agree with that. donald that he did nothing wrong in the classified documents case. Only fourteen percent of americans did nothing wrong money case? Of course, that is by far for reason the weakest case, but these numbers- it's your seems like they're moving one direction and charlie the bad news for him. Is the more people find out about these cases, worse news. It is for donald trump, yet be a stunning reality check now we'll find out whether the republican party continues to be immune to reality. This ought to be the moment by the way, though, that we in Iraq. It out a mark, the end of all the magical thinking, among republicans that you know something

something something that unicorn was going to come along and take care of the donald trump that they didn't have to do with it. That somebody else would take care of the problem. You know that that that dead set that sense that the It could amplify and rationalize and defend him and somehow run against him for president look. This is what this moment, where we have all of the major indictments have come down and yet republican. Voters continued a rally around him. So there is the challenge. What what does MIKE pence do? What does Rhonda santa's do? What does Glenn young kin do? Are Are they going to continue? go along with this sort of you know same old, same old, conventional wisdom. We have to humor him. Remember that quota right after the election. What harm would it be to to simply humor him will continue to echo his comments about the weapon asean of the justice system, but as your pointing out there giant reality checks out from saying republicans dune hope what you are about to do. You know we keep talking

about these focus groups of trunk. Voters What people are saying in diners in west Virginia take a step back and you realize you have ones. Deeper percent of americans who say no, we are done with donald trump, we're not going to vote for donald trump. That ought to be. the really be the old, reality check for republican voters and leaders. Right now,. But we were joking yesterday about chuck Rosenberg in that house mete out wanted to talk to me like somebody was saying on another cable news channel and if out of its importance, I what other people are saying. Chapman verily ring aid ingested at night, and I was I was information listening to some music decay of forget about the day, the news day and, as I said, we don't. We don't need to hear what they say Doesn't matter what they say. What matters is what goes on in the court rooms

and we all know where this is going- and you look at these- you look at these paul number. we all know where this is going- and I think the question- make. It is. How long does TIM skype against? I said, is very strong candidate. How tim Scott, humiliate himself by pretending that, tromp did nothing wrong. Does he humiliate himself by talking about one hundred bucks, and taking seven million dollar saying nothing about Jared cushions three billion dollars. Only one per cent of that is to render told us coming from the united states and the rest come from people who worked with and the gulf link How long are they going to paint these false equivalency? I'm not saying Jared did anything illegal, but going to say Donald. So nuclear secrets and hunger by making seven million dollars from three different, it's industry, seven from very different countries and you're gonna, quit this false narrative,

try to say it, and I wish body would listen to me. The republican party other than Chris Christie near this. In badly. This ends badly yeah you look terrible defending this guy, who try to steal and election undermine democracy, for the rest of your life or, more importantly, you look weak, they look weak. I do When I went back to leader that concern and strong in the face of whatever comes his or her way. if something is wrong, a leader we'll, say that's wrong. That's not that's! Not what our constitution says that What a democracy is about. That's not the president. I will be. Where is that and if she has chosen a mere point of a majority of americans, say Donald trump threaten the very

existence of democracy itself? Only the present seti, strengthened it like this. So I agree yeah we can go to diners where we want to go to, and every americans voices valid every vote should count the same, but this I think the media need stitches, wake up and said obsessing on the people who make you catastrophe who say that crazy, as things to get more views more heads, more whatever. Because the reality is? I mean what matters is chuck. Sad is what happens in the courtroom? Not the crazy duff you're a real, on social media are that Europe tell up our that you're watching on television on another network. Are they

crazy uncle sense to you something that he thought about. While he was on the toilet and you give vat as much credence as you do. New story to come out of the wall street journal with hundreds and hundreds of journalists, with wit with, does in dozens of editors, with the understanding that faint dont get it right. There in big trouble ran so so you can do if you want you're wasting your time because, right now it's what matters inside the jury box and politically meagre. You look at numbers, you see what in depend In so doing, and let me say again republicans this doesn't get better. Isn't it interesting? The Democrats want cameras in the courtroom. Democrats, why trends parents say, democrats want this trial before the election of your reticent What are you saying you? I won't cameras in court where I get there

I've never said give us time to get ready, you damn right. I want this before the election, because I my name, clear, startled trumpeted, public and supporters of basic I've known around no cameras in the courtroom. Now are we transparency. We don't pay, we don't want what people actually see what he did and yet, let's go it off after the election after the like The jury- we don't have I need to have a say before watch it. Let me that's somebody's guilty, because of you accused of doing something you didn't. Do you want transport, see if you ve been charged. You want that trial soon as possible. You wanted on tv for all the world to see they doubt and also politically maker. can what matters is jury box, but politically look at where the independent and are going here, the independent

to tell the tale for republican suffolk Paul, shows the majority of voters. Think donald trump broke the law in his efforts to stay in power following the twenty twenty election in the survey. Fifty three and say his actions after the vote were illegal. While that includes sixty two percent of independence, who believe him the law I'll go on to a new quinnapin Paul conducted after jack's myths, federal indictment of trump this month, but before the georgia county indictment showing fifty four percent of americans think the former president should be prosecuted on federal criminal charges relating to his attempt to over

the twenty twenty alike. So here those independent members make a six while sixty two percent of independence believe donald trump. What he did was illegal, sixty two percent, only twenty two percent, only that the wrong one area, only twenty two percent said it was not illegal, so roughly sixty two percent to twenty two percent. That's who the republican party, that's who their embracing. So there is a lot questions as to why republicans would continue to walk down this road imprint. Now candidates tim Scott, refusing to answer questions about basic basic things that Donald trump did. ro lookin leaders in congress as well. Not so How badly the ends I mean. Do the poles at this point to the poles trigger a turn from done from because everyone with a brain,

and who understands basics. of the law in the car the tuition can see This is gonna wing Surely the political cowardice of a lot of the opponents of donald trump and the primary because apparently, their voting public there, then republic in voting public, clear and then they are. How do you have these kinds of poles and you don't have any of the major candidates dead, challenging or claiming to be challenging donald trump, but a nomination even near where the poles are saying? Voters in it is outrageous when you bring about it, taken a step back that the leadership of the party has created somebody that is not only legally in question, but is clearly toxic to a lot of the public. So what are you winning here an end

I think Joe makes a very good point. You have nothing to hide, well. If you accuse me of something that I felt I was totally innocent. Oh I will They rushed to trial because I wanna be acquitted at best how jury worse before election. Why would I want to wake up election? If I'm acquitted before the election, it gives them the moment, a momentum of VON donald trump to say that see. I can win these primaries. I already prove one kelly's role. The fact. You know the facts made. You want to kick the can down the curve as long as you can cause. You know what you know, and you know everybody else may know at a trial. Exam I am entirely sides. Is it cowardice, is that stupidity, Donald trump republican parties has lost every election since two thousand and seventeen. Eighty, that's tight. Don't have to count the thing, but here's an here's. The thing

they're going to lose and twenty four with donald trump at the head of the tickets? They know that you look at the members. They. No that so me when I was republican. We do we like the wind. We like the wind, big guy. I didn't like close races. I never had close races. I get angry if it ever looked like it was going to be a close race. We ran and we ran a hard and we ran to win. And now you get people who were running to lose. They see the numbers, they know. They're gonna lose an end. These pull politicians. You know it's almost like a doctor that opens up. you shouldn't day see if they have cancer. Finds it all over their body. clubs is the body until the patient, you're, fine guide, you go on out clean bill. Alf enjoy yours, everyone when the doktor knows what's gonna happen. This is what reply

What can leaders are doing now? They know they're going to lose with trump what they have to problems. Number one they're not leaders their followers of the base, and they ve been doing this for seven years and many of them know obviously that they're gonna lose with tromp, but they also afraid they will lose without tromp meanness This is the least that the corner they ve they put themselves and they ve got a base that is so rapidly behind. The current leader that that have donald trump is defeated or were pushed I'd their worried that those voters will turn out and vote. So they have to figure out. How do you, push past donald trump without integra in his base, and nobody has figured that out yet. But I do think you do your previous questions. I think the debate in Milwaukee next week is going to be kind of interesting about the way Joe. I totally agree with you. I don't think Donald trump's going to show up, but we'll see whether or not there

there is a response to this massive reality check for me. Other candidates, whether tim Scott Actually wants run for president wants run for vice president because it there's going to be a pivot. it's hard to imagine that it doesn't happen relatively soon arrived, now to a disturbing situation out of texas, where a woman was arrested and charged with threatening the federal judge, presiding over former, as an donald, trumps, federal election interference case in Washington dc the forty three zero, who was denied bail, allegedly threatened to kill, judge tanya chuck. Can and we want to warn you- that some of these details are disturbing according to an affidavit file, Last week the woman recently left a voicemail laden with rage slurs for checking where she told her quote you are in our sights whereby we want to kill you

on and on and on targeting you personally and your family, all of it. Even make it doesn't want to read it. I don't want to highlight, as but the woman is accused of threatening to kill, also democratic congresswoman, sheila Jackson Lee was also african arrogant, as well as other democrats and members of the algae betake. You community and busy. News has reached out the woman's lawyer for comment, but we have not heard back yet joining us now and be seen? justice and intelligence, correspondent candle. Anyone can, I would think- They indictments rack up now with the georgia one and Donald tromp. Having is press conference on Monday and putting out own opinions as to what's happening to him and naming names in these indictments. Doesn't I think some would argue. This doesn't help the situation in terms of the safety,

our judges and jury. These and other people trying to uphold the law? of course, make a europe solely right, and you know the day after judge tanya chuck can was named as the judge in this case reporters is that she was accompanied everywhere she went inside the federal for these e biases. any detail which was a new development, and now we know why she needed that security, detail The woman's name has been charges Abigail Joe schreyer. As you said, she's forty three years old. She lives in a town, south, You stand and I don't think we should shy away from letting people know exactly how vile the threats made. two in a phone call to judge chickens chambers were the call allegedly began with hey you stay. slave inward and and she went on to say if trump doesn't get elected and twenty twenty four. According to the criminal complaint, we're coming to kill you

tread lightly. Be word and she added you will be target tar, personally, probably your family, all of it and now it emerged in the hearing and the reason she was held without bales, because she'd been arrested for times for making threats, other similar kinds of threats to public goals and other. So this is a repeat offender. Somebody. obviously, who's not well, but there's a pattern here right. The fbi just shot to death a man in utah. Tromp pass and who was armed and who is engaging in every rhetoric. The met, the man who attacked Our policy is in his house in san francisco aging and some of the same rhetoric. He had seen online. So absolutely law enforcement officials deeply deeply concerned and about all of this and enforce it other development, names of the grandeurs in georgia, which are public and that state were immediately back end up by trump supporters online, who then die

then who publish their addresses and other public identifying from on friday. Websites, but we're not going to identify. I really want to spread that, but I do We worrying development, no doubt for those people and their families, and that's the kind of climate that we are in right now and it's very, very dangerous well I it's inside it s, not a climate that that that grows by itself, its climate, that's been generated by hate. from donald trump, from tweet after tweed and are true that truman anyone it doesnt thing why all things january six was just random act. Well well. Well, exist! I mean look at the hatred toward officials. fbi if you're coming after me, I'm coming after you, etc it goes on and on I kinda lining and be seen whose justice and intelligent corresponding can we really procedure being with us this morning, it's gonna be a long day for you. We are. We appreciate it.

We were again brings up some great points here. There's I think back to Think back to the guy, who had all the pipe arms in florida that he was going to use on people up policies, attack or again going language used by trump and trump supporters. The we I, where he can talk about the utah guy. The fbi is having to do shoot. The The person in utah, who was was making assassination threats and then raised, is gone and had his gun, ray then his neighbor screamed hearing I am saying I'm not coming out, I think about. After all, the three It's against the f b. I the attack on the f b, I office in ohio. It goes on and on they are done

tromp drop and some extreme supporters are? Are you know that there their promoting this violence, because their work are violence, and I again I can- I could list under think said, trot and his supporters and said and done where they promote fascist style, violence against government officials and made my god just look he's not a trumpet border but he's learning to play for it's game right, the status when asked about federal employees, he said of the first day, is going to slit their throats. This is the rhetoric that has taken over in the republican party and we see the consequences of it, and the republican party leadership not coming denouncing it and none of the candidates, the top three or canada really denouncing the violence.

Rhetoric, as you point out, slid, throw it all away to download from saying I'm gonna come after you in the midst of people being arrested and one man shot dead because he was she a weapon at fbi, agents the racial language I mean this woman to call a federal office or call a judge's chambers talking about to a slave, using all a word that rhymes with the n word donald trump himself, their leader to use the term riggers which well raw arrives with the word I mean this is exactly ten years ago. Mod! Thirty thirty is going. We much guns around search while fat. I'm talking about here,

in within the last twenty four hours use the term wriggles. Is this the kind of party the Republicans want to show the country that they are there's no one to independence or running away from them to identify with blatant racism and blatant violence? Is not the party that we need and as I've never been a republican level lean their way, but we need a two party system, but we don't need one that prides itself in bigotry and trump has use, of course, that racist, inflammatory language for so long and only leading into it further, as he is dealing with whether it's this? who is after american or dna, often brag of manhattan, a black man. This is something that he is putting central

to his defense and his supporters are following their lead and guide jamaica. This is something I've been hammering home for months now I keep talking about how I've been taught at state and federal officials, so worried about the threat of violence has entered our politics. The populist, the example is just one of it there they feel like. This has now been normalized because of the trump because of january sixth- and they deeply worried that is going to become more of the norm, that there'll be more threats and more acts of violence as part of the political process, as we lead up to the two thousand and twenty four election and deeply deeply worse, disagree with that at all, and still I had on morning Joe an update on the push by former trump chief of staff. Mark meadows to move his charges and the georgia elect in case to federal court plus none of the criminal situations of donald trump can keep him from running and they twenty four, but our next guest argues the former president. My

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Five of the former president and his allies have said for now more than two and a half years and We need to insist that this very hour, the george election was not stolen, and I had no right to overturn the election on January. It's our truth. My friend got brian campsite it! Well. Yesterday you said for coal, for nearly three years, Anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward to provide a republic, Presidential candidate, my pants has repeatedly said that anyone who discounts the com petitions should never be elected again at our next gas, notes that none of troy criminal prosecutions, even if he is convicted Constitutional lay, stop him from running and winning next year's and that is unless state officials keep

martha ballot here to explain wash it imposed columnist and NBC news? Election law analysed net foley his leg space is entitled, forget the trump trials he might already be inept in eligible for twenty twenty four and that, if you could explain that, I mean, and is this a technical way that he may not be eligible like what would it take for this to actually happen with the people. Do it. Yes good morning to be with you so this province the constitution was adopted after the civil war to stop who had been in the united states government, who had taken an oath to uphold the constitution, but then that out by joining the confederacy. So congress put in the constitution is part of the fourteenth amendment, the prohibition that could never serve in federal government again or in govern in government or federal or state government again, but it's real

broadly to apply not as to the civil war itself, but to any in action or rebellion against the united states. So the issue, is whether or not that provision applies to trump and if it does, what Procedurally is the way to adjudicate that issue before the election, so net It is true that argument if state were to pursue this course here against against donald trump. Try prevent him for a pair. about. What would be machinations for that to recur, and talk to us about, like how would be received in the courts is certainly trump would be appealing you're. So I think the way it's proceeds in the courts is really important. I think we're definitely going to. litigation. Their couple of private groups, we said that they are going to pursue this, but there Nicole rules of jurisdiction and court procedure that would make it back

if this was brought by state officials, say a secretary of state whose in large of the election procedures for that state, but in to make that as clear as possible- Legislature should set the pathway for that kind of litigation because Our constitutional state, legislatures that have the power to determine present so elections, the appointment of the presidential electors and so forth, so to make this clear in orderly as possible. It would be good for a stay legislature, to spell out exactly how the procedure should get into court was a fascinating medicine course. and we saw last week in an atom- lived tack article in the new york times that conservative, prominent Conservative members of the federalist societies, professors are making a similar argument, this is from Adams peace last week to the conservative law professors of concluded that tromp is an eligible to be present under provision. The constitution that bars people.

engagements erection from holding government office. The professors are active members of the federalist society, the conservative legal group and proponents. Regional with other, prevent william board of the university of chicago and Michael stokes, paulson of the universe in Saint thomas, studied for more than a year. Of course, a long article coming out, I guess in la review it universe, pennsylvania, law, review next year, again talking about a day nor argument and their argument or they similar d. Do you do you branch out in certain ways are? Do you all all agreed that you go back and you look at this this Civil war statute, as or for donald trump actually agree with their position. But the point that I add peace. Is it matters that this goes to the? U s supreme court, you it's not enough

Professors to say this: this has to be decided definitively. One way or the other by the united states supreme court, there are arguments on both sides. It is a debate. Question about exactly how this provision of the constitution applies to president, trump and so just needs to be clarified and it's real Important netteke, be clarified before the twenty. They elect, next year, so that when voters see their ballots. They know that they can vote for qualified candidate the thing fear the most is that the whole election goes forward, and that this then issue arises after the voting. There's an attempt to disqualify am if, for example, what a brain afterwards Charlie Charlie I My main question, though he is ill, is political on me. I I read that you know section three of the fourteenth amendment does disqualify donald trump, but will on a prank,

level. I say in my home state of wisconsin the aid that would have been no, A court ruling sang the donald trump should not appear on the ballot and by a water, three majority, the liberal majority that was gone supreme court says yes, whiskey, the voters should not even be able to vote for donald trump. I'm in I understand illegal merits of that, but I want how that plays around the country- and I wonder whether that's one of those things be careful what you wish for. If, in fact, you have courts around the country, basically saying we're, not even the no allow voters to vote for them probably a man. I agree with the legal argument, but politically sounds message. Me. agree, a hundred percent. That's why I think it has to come from the united states supreme court as the core for the whole nation and what I, is even worse? Potentially then chaotic different opinions, indifferent courts around the country that you mention is if congress it and to invoke this provision. on January six, twenty twenty five after

let's say, hypothetically trump, is one the electoral college I think to take this away from the voters after they cast. The ballots would be most fraud for parallel in the car. potential violence, that you are talking about an earlier segment on the show. So there is gimme that congress could invoke this afterwards words under the procedures that twelve amendment and all that, a reform to those procedures that are appropriately took place after the jail. Six interaction to improve those procedures, doesn't deal with this this issue goes to the eligibility of a candidate. Not the counting of the ballots. New and basing its election law analyse ned fully. Thank you very much for explaining that for us in the coming hours fascinated it is and was fast visual. I put the question better: it's how to get it in a hurry

actually wants a fascinating is again. You have members in the federalist society exact like some of the most conservative jurists. Some of us can serve the professor saying the same thing here, so you will see what I restate now coming our president. We will send a clear message to china and north here tomorrow, when he hosts the leaders, japan and south korea key summit at camp david we'll have a preview of the expected announcement on military cooperation between the: u s and did and allies that's net on morning Joe. There comes a point when a teens only goal is to survive

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the death toll from the devastating maui wildfires is climbing. Over one hundred and ten people are confirmed dead and more than one thousand people are still unaccounted for. Only five of the victims have been publicly identity. as first responders. Work to inform families. All were in their seven. These are older, while officials warned, the death toll is expected to continue to rise, the near times reports that, as of yesterday afternoon, less than forty percent of the total burned zone had been sir If you look at the story rev- and you just I'm sorry- I just I can't fathom how this happened- in twenty twenty three, the event that this town would burn. burn out of control and people would have inoculated in more. There was insufficient or supply, or you you, you add up all

the excuses by the local officials. None that makes sense These senior citizens left a burned to death, and it's still, I it's still just impossible to comprehend that this would happen in america its mind boggling how it seems there was no preparation, no struggle place for we would assume- would be area of preparation for any american city, particularly some something that you get so many tourists come to. As my we is mind boggling how unprepared they were and the loss of life of the senior citizens, because of it is just mind. Boggling and binding, and the first lady will visit the hawaii fire disasters zone on Monday. According or released from the white house, they will meet with first responders tore the aftermath of the day

imagine, discuss next steps in the recovery effort. President Biden has been contact with both the states governor and had a famous it's the wildfires broke out, but before that the press, in south korea and prime minister of Japan will meet with president Biden at camp david tomorrow. There, the trio will now plans to expand defensive cooperate. Between their nations amid Annie Chris and threats by north korea and rise and tensions with china. It marks an important moment for president Biden, who will the talks, but also for south korea and Japan, which only recently agreed fully return to an intel sharing pact, their militaries tensions the two countries date back more than a hundred years. Centres on Japan's brutal occupation of the career An peninsula

during our presidency, where it is the council on foreign relations for jobs, which are obviously I straight will look kindly on Joe Biden what he's done in end in being, first equals with. Is nato partners and helping helping, nato and and helping europe move forward to expand that that coalition to the strongest its ever been, but the fact is president after president in this century, has been promising to have that asian pivot, Now we have Joe Biden flax, america's might from guam to the philippines, the south korea, japan, sit. australia, it's really white something that he is finally doing what the last four presidents have promised to do. This is a big deal, the whole more

the Biden farm policy. You might say we ve gone from america first to alliance first obviously coordination on behalf of ukraine and Europe now bring this together. This is a real quiet success for a merry diplomacy, as Mika said in the introduction, japan and south korea were at serious, serious loggerheads over how to deal with the past. A lot of quiet work has gone into this: politically so sensitive for the leadership both countries, but this is a powerful message to china, a powerful message to two to north korea, which can too used to build up its missile forces and its nuclear forces, and yes, toby problem. Some great a military planning in exercising its important to get body on the same page for dealing with taiwan contingencies. I think the law so dear, Joe its economic security issues, were hope, little coordinated diplomacy. The only issue I too with your slightly is now there

you'll child should the administration is to back this up with increased american military presence and capability in this part of the world, so we're setting the diplomatic table really well, you ve got. Make sure we also have the capabilities to back it up, and richard I wanted. Let's talk about china. Obviously flexing of our diplomatic muscles there and military muscles, eventually just just take our allies in the region, china, this expansion, It's going to cause complications with china, but let's just talk about the united states strain and shy strength right now. It was not so long ago that everybody was talking about the right of china was going to eclipse the united states right now. You read a new I'm article two days ago they say economists have two great fears. Moving forward, one decline.

so the chinese economy, or at least the stagnation of it and the fact that the U S, economy may grow, maybe two strong. It may grow too quickly. candle inflation. You combine that with what's happening well medically around china right now, and things have changed quite dramatically. that power dynamic between the two superpowers, no argument for long time, the whole framing china with china, which ten feet toy like for thirty years, china was growing a double digits. Of their gdp increase every eye was a phenomenal accomplishment philosophy. since that slowed more than anything. More than anything is because of chinese policy. China wants the benefits of market economy without having a market economy and they put political control. over their economy, first, economic growth to suffering so Joe. I think there, The question is: what does she shouldn t do as the chinese

economy stalls as public discontent grows? Does he stay the course those you change course? if you try to change the conversation and that's what links to the summit at camp David, if he tries to change the conversation to basic say I want to legitimize my leadership and chinese leadership. No longer economic growth, but rather with sad fine chinese nationalism. Suppression Taiwan? That's when they. it states, japan and south korea are going to be tested. So this is what happening right now and then we focused on europe, but a lot of history is getting to unfold in asia, and this is the part of the world. This is where the people are. This is where the wealth is in many ways. The twenty first century is going to be decided here which again, which is- why what's going on at camp David. Is so significant it to that

now speaking to steer administration official yesterday, who made a compelling case that this will actually one of the Biden administration to fighting achievements, sort of under the radar for now, but will eventually in history, be regarded as such. I want to get your take on another piece of that conversation. I had with that official who was like who said that the one thing that keeps up the the leaders in washington and tokyo and seoul up at night is trying to figure out where gg and pink goes not just taiwan, but the limits. If there are translation of lattimer putin, like that, it's as us Why does he decide that enough is enough, or does he feel like it's in his interest to ITALY's prop russia up there? keep it as a bulwark off to the west for china. What's your sense of the people you talk to as to what they think he may be at a beijing, my own guess, John based on everyone. I took her, they haven't decided, they have put certain links on their support for russia providing dual use technology. They don't seem to be providing military equipment. I think the testimony If and when, there's some diplomacy, that's active. We

China use its leverage with russia to press putin to compromise. We don't know the answer to that, but I think that will be a real revealing moment in general? For six? for eighteen months away from that, but that day is going to come. richard haass? Thank you very much for coming on with your insight this morning to go through. What's coming out of this dream, I'm just wondering any golf tournaments coming up for you at the fedex cup being played shower where that's being happy, but no! These are. These. Are the dog days of august, I'm happy to talk to you about my golf game. Your jo! We can go grant my ass. It is now so here's I am I I am golf now in How many years make its programme for Five years and I was not good when I did the house, you how's your golf game, gone richard as Is president emeritus of the cfr

a few days ago by shouting eighty six this week, something I'm feeling better job. The handicaps cap is still too high, but hopefully its heading south away, handicap? Now it should our team, but my goal in life, Joe it's now that'd become president, is to get down to single digits. That is my goal in life. I'll, let you know I'll give you a progress report. Lie about it. Like Donald, you know, I was told that mark cuban that shark tank show he was saying tat. He was talking to people and he he asked one of the people is about thus in what they do, they go. I'm training for a triathlon and he said I'm out. He said anybody is training for triathlon is spending too much time or in that not enough. I all the way said growing up. I don't say this anymore because a ground- always said. Never too, a man with like the gap in the single digits, because he's

not going to work hard enough on your team, but you're a man? I don't. I don't mean to all you gazillion airs with single digitized. He kept look this prime right. Now, I'm tellin richard! You tell the message you deserve that a single handicapped. I need. I need, ask another question. So what are they? Isn't your long game? Isn't your short game? What went with? What do you need to work on richer? up long irons fair way words but showed the key to getting your hand they kept. That is not what you do. It's what you avoid. You want avoid any drives out a ban to one with joy, avoid three parts want to avoid double boat, If you can do that, you will have a single digital handicap, so kind, It is quite originally rigid because I'm old school and No, I haven't played since everybody started using these little woods for their long irons. I believe, if you They had in two or three irony in two or three hour, but they're, all these hybrid sir. They call right. Do you must close your eyes are like old school.

Like, like long irons, actually feel more comfortable headings three and four hour when we When you have a club in your hand, richard I'm curious. Is there a certain club? You have in your hand, that you feel most comfortable with you know so much of gulf is in your head. You pick up like, for instance, if instance, couple for iron or seven iron. When I'm plan, I don't even think I feel comfortable with it. So, I would say a five. I am for summaries. What about you richard? What's your go to club? exciting joe, when in trouble six iron. As a high ranking mazeppa units replies or through a commercial arrowheads plus point your shoe minutes the story to me that nobody, but a lot of times, are the I'll. Ask you this. What you can do you start my own isn't happening right here I got shot at last year and reverend elsewhere did not share with us and joined the conversation we have former? U s senator now,

and busy news and msnbc political analysts, Claire mccaskill, no high clare and of the five cast on brand with dotted deutsche johnny deutsche donnay. I will be no but you do not go to jail right now. Ok, we're gonna get Our top still know that, just when you sick God he's around doesnt work was spain, it can't hear on specially honestly. What have you got it? What are you use our ice? What do you use in a paper cop, Donnie yellow? Can we fix that was mine? That way we do. Our income is clearly cajoleries out, demanded arts me clare. Do you ever play golf? Have you ever been done before I've never had time to play off. Thank you there you go, don't you look at that game clare and go really like You have the time to hit that little ball.

And then walked all the way to it and then hated again. trying to get it into a hole. Golf I dont get the time it takes to play golf. It is it's. It's makes no sense to me at all. I said I literally I watch it in awe of louis have the patience to play, sport clarity irresponsibly well Listen I'm a lot of people. I love that love golf. So I see, I'm must be, and it must we addictive in some ways but in my career with children and Full time job the idea- I would take three or four hours. Out of a weekend walk around know. I could I got my kids on a walk but It's a bit. I'm the larger or to play it is. It is very every time

well, I will say with when they re not for kids four hours tv it is. I can I just don't have the time right now. I am curious, thou Jonathan Amira, what he's talking about bodies or pick a wall thing and I've never laid pick a ball, but everybody's talking to my friend jack. He loves a pickle law like do you Pickles thing now that everybody should do because you can do it quickly and you know have to run around a lot yeah in that they appear Well, first of all, I don't I don't golf a little mini golf with the kids. That's it. The pickleball played just once or twice with the windmills I can get through. Those is the one that is the ones that you put up for the ball on that hill. But if you miss it, it goes back down the hill. That's a six every time a pick. A law is a phenomenon. Right

some think a plague there, but some pretty amusing stories written about neighbourhood and people of complaint because they think you're the boss too loud and therefore striking property than they can relax. Let me add that I mean it's tennis, but less exercise. I think it's fun. Joe. As you know, I do place in ping pong I would like to play some minutes ago, nine about him area that was John Merrick. I had a festive seven series suddenly serious. Last year he was like the new york yankees, you wanna three of what tat awaited them heed what you well, I have. Those are our gas storage capacity. We wasted somewhat normally haven't people. I think people care deeply about our or pick a ball and ping pong haven't stomach. Have you ever wondered provide MSNBC with your opinion about their tv programmes, newsletters lennox, podcast and more now, your chance, when you joining MSNBC insights, community you'll get pure

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