Take a look at over Roy roby way. Take a decision today. Take how I sir its ruled on a number of issues that are had been precedent for fifty sixty years. Sometimes the across the board the vast majority of the american people don't agree with a lot of the decisions as gorgeous make you a that's president, Joe Biden yesterday at MSNBC reacting supreme court. returning the use of informed of action in car college admissions- and you know william fascinating interview say that I am a little concerned. The new posts, which, of course, as you know, is warning joan newspaper breaker Also in people's always come up. Do we have this really give Joe wise in europe knows what you know. It's very simple. They one more poured surprises collectively than all other newspapers you add a you, don't you can learn that up and they want. So that's why? But anyway, they have

don't want you to have on the cover of online like job walking, offset right and psyche game. Lost and then like barnacle. When will ask him a question he walks off in the middle of of a question because he wants to get their port give back to boston. They act like. buying was confused. No, he just is present, states, you said. Thank you. I going leave now people do that to us all the time and they don't it up and I beg your post, I mean I get it. He says, god save the queen. I mean I'm a big sex pistols. Fan it's too problem in afghanistan speech. Were there confuses Iraq and ukraine. I get all that stuff, but some of this stuff is just ridiculous prayers by and talk to, Nicole wallace right in our studio it at thirty rock and they had a cordial, thereby nicole's. Reading the teeth

except get to the next segment and he walks by and apparently that's front page news now. But there is a theme if you read certain newspapers, even including the newspaper of record for morning Joe, where you watch certain tv programs about Joe Biden suggesting there's an age problem suggesting that he served daughters and wanderers and may he does miss speak and we talk about that all the time. But it's probably not the most barton thing that happened yesterday and I think we'll get into some of that. Some will turn the page and even though the paper of record is our favorite exit and I dont know people know this, but by was miss speaking and nineteen. Eighty seven. In fact he had to leave the presidential pain and nineteen eighty seven because miss speaking well, that's just the thing he did and and then we ll experienced by the people who do not miss speak. They are professionals, unlike me, from the white house directive, communications to prison. Obama, Jim palmary. Also, the president of the national

action that work and a host of MSNBC politics, nation, reverend I'll, sharpen bc news national affairs analyse john ireland in pulitzer prize in columnist, associated editor for the washington post, you robinson we're. We talk about affirmative action, a land ruling yesterday, just a shocker for a lot of people, but first I it is John hammond really quickly on politics, while we're talking about Joe Biden buying getting walked around David brooks has a piece in the new york times this morning. I thought was absolutely fascinating on why president Biden isn't getting the credit he deserves and David writes. This misery index is a crude but effective way to measure the health of the economy. You add up the inflation rate and the unemployment rate. If you're president running free election you want that number to be as low as possible when reagan, one reelection, forty nine states. It was eleven point four. When george,

we bush did so- it was nine for brok, obama, nine point five for Joe Biden today, seven point, seven billion to be cruising to an easy. We election victory. Of course you look at the numbers is just not there. There is such an disconnect between the economy. Has economic numbers and I m just about every respect and and those before him, especially donald trump, and yet the right track wrong track. Is why leah skew, despite all the legislative accomplishments, to adjust this matter of record that he's dead that he's put down there. It's really there is this huge divide between reality and and and perception yeah August is a huge challenge for the for the white house and further guy committed a real at present we are trying to deal with. How do you feel through that

there there is, if there were, if only they were like some magic. Extra though, and it would help badge you alive- reality. History, with with the with present buttons standing in in in this political standing standing ascending the poles. I think there are two Instead, that are going on there at least to come, emilia reminds one of them is, and my friend paul Mary could speak to this bad. Maybe us dramatically as anyone just how different. The world today, the political world is saying that it was even when Barack Obama ran for election in twenty twelve. The degree of Our is, so much further off the charts. It was bad in two thousand and twelve, it's been getting worse over the course of our lifetimes in the last thirty years, the dominant factor in our politics really, but it is the case now that, like that that, because the the pole this is what it is, because the media lands, is dominated by extreme voices, both sides that in particular, the megaphone on the right is so loud. There is a well

Bob distorting effect that that that that bill Clinton that that brow reagan- george w bush, the jury, walker, bullshit and every braga bob have to deal with, to the extent that Joe Biden did, and then this factor, which is, I do not get a central challenge for this real act, which is the fairly or not of his. There is the case that there are allowed american look at all the go? That's going on there? Look at the state of therefore one case the growing up. The last three or four months look ahead and all of the things that happened, although compliments and so on, and still continue to tell pollsters that the fact of Joe Biden age, any presidents who was in the eighties gives them the house and, I think that's a challenge. The immediate, hopefully from the bible perspective, hopefully, will be a soluble challenge, but it is, it does point you out a stubborn. That view is among a lot of people, including some people, are the democratic side,

starting this hour with the landmark decisions to them from the supreme court. Yesterday, ending re spaced affirmative action in college admissions, the court ruled programmes at the universe if north carolina and at her violate the equal protection clause of the constitution. The schools works. Instead of giving substantial preference to black and hispanic applicants while discriminating, and asian american students. The vote was sixty three in the north carolina case with all three of the liberal. just dissenting and sixty two in the harvard ruling, because justice katagiri brown jack, had to accuse herself, chief justice, John Roberts, road theme georgie opinion stating both Programmes lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranted the use of race unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve ratio stereo being an lack, meaningful end points. However, he also did give admission office is an opening on the issue of race. Writing nothing. In this opinion,

construed. As prohibiting universities from considering an applicant's discussion of how race effect his or her life. Be it through discrimination, inspiration or otherwise, justice, qatar, Angie brown, jackson in the rebuttal wrote with let them eat cake, oblivious to day the majority pulls the rip cord and announces color blindness for all by legal thea justice jackson goes on to write quote, but deeming is irrelevant in law does not make it so in life. The court the decision will not take effect immediately and it concurring opinion justice, bread, Cavanaugh, the ruling, would first apply to students starting college in twenty twenty eight so reverend. Sharpen. Yesterday morning, you and I discussed this- you had anticipated this rulings. Most people expected it to go this way you had begun to work as through some of the follow on effects. from this decision. So how are you looking at this morning when I think that it

This is bad or worse than I had thought clearly the court in judgments stuck a dagger in the back of many of us. That feel, then we need to continue to legally protect people that have had. There will be a star came equities, you As I understand affirmative action started under the Sid administration written by author fletcher, this was a conservative remedy to try. equalize of facts that blacks by law. couldn't go to certain schools by law in enslaved me. We are not talking about a custom here, which but the law said dead. I couldn't do certain things. I just spoke in jackson, mississippi two weeks ago where James Murdoch was in the audience he's a much older man now he's the first black to go to the university of of men. Out of mississippi, he had to be what it in the military

and there's just a generation before me. So I think that we are trying to act as though, all of a sudden by some magic wand, everything is equal, When you look at the fact that affirmative action was voted out in a state of california and look at the numbers of blacks and spandex now in those top schools, as governor gave a non newsome brought up it gone down in percentage points, so this is bad. It can so be used in the private sector. That is my fear, because this It is our constitutional bab raises a factor they can now, the minority contractors programmes and programmes, deal with our diversity and employment and on board this could have devastating impact if we don't resist and let me say it is Joe when you fred and new york pulse when the president, let the studio from the call

came and met, would me for about ten or fifteen minutes. He probably was for where his meetings we're gonna, be when it was leaving yeah, I was not stumbling around the secret service was directing them. I think Alex has a picture of him and our meeting here, so he was in lol, but I think the post was lost. We are now he was a loss at all I mean you could see, you can see again him in a hurry to get the chair and get out meet somebody really import and we all know that person rather with you. I get the picture from Alex to prove it. As a was saying, even liberal states have voted out affirmative action. California, washington state the results, despite their best efforts in, a forty! You look at you see berkeley. The numbers are down there doing everything they can to try to

again the numbers of their student body just match up with the percentages of of of people in their state based on demographic. So they have actually a student body that represents the diversity of their state. California, there still struggling to do it because affirmative action, ban statewide by a vote, but this is a gene army, a form action, as people have very complicated feelings, mixed emotions about it. It's unpopular it with majority of americans, even with asian americans hispanics black americans, but I noticed Tyler austin Hooper a bates college professor. He wrote this in the new york times today, but a racial gaming. He is a. He helps, kids get into

Allergies are to draw serves, kids get into college said the Chinese, and graham kids will always wanted to know how to make the application material seem less chinese or korean. The rich white kids wanted ways did seem less rich unless white, the kids tended to want to make sure they came across his black enough data for the latino the least from kids affirmative action. the necessary to redress the historical evils of chattel slavery and its myriad after lives and, above all, that it is crucial counterbalance against the prevailing system of de facto white affirmative action there, Many academically mediocre and wealthier students by having legacy parents are being good at rowing about I also believe that affirmative action, though necessary, has inadvertently create a warped and raise obsessed I can university culture. This

one of these. These issues, jane that as we talk about our requires us to use dialectical thinking there, there are sent imperfect system, but at the same time it redress is again a lot of imperfections in america's past present right agreed date. Affirmative action is or what is the system that we were are allowed to use to try to redress some of the iniquity of the past, because cuts are frank and honest attempt remediation wasn't. There oh out, leave had three hundred and fifty years fiber e, dad, Jim crow segregation description, You should read lining wage theft, you name it

and then you had the great social rights legislation of the nineteen sixties and you had beginning and listen and a very limited sort of affirmative action, light program or philosophy to begin to to redress some of those wrongs and and then really quite we began with with a rocky decision and and then moving forward any sort of ability to to honestly and frankly openly. Try to remediate some of of of on that were committed over centuries was taken away. And, and so since two thousand and three really, the only justification for

that's been allowed for affirmative action in college emissions at least? Is diversity not not remediation? For, for the many past wrongs that compounded It's all over the centuries, and so yes, people have sort of themselves and not to try to justify something that should have been very frankly justified and and and then you could have talked about time limiting if you, if you actually made an honest attempt, two to romania, ate some of what was done african americans right over now, four hundred years.

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impact in his or her life, telling a story about their own individual experience, rather than a broad experience, about their race. What that mean exactly how does a college admissions board take this ruling which, by the way most of them have been expecting to go this way for some time now? Well, it means that you can make any assumptions about someone because of their race. That's what the chief justice was really stressing. He said you can't say well being This applicant as black or hispanic you can assume they carry with them certain x, answers or orb obstacles are or what have you. He called that stereotypes. He did not rule out, as you say that if someone has been affected in their own experience by their race, and he described whether it is obstacles over came or particular pride that they take. If it is relevant to their own personal experience. There certainly able to describe that, and schools can consider that in emissions they just can't

so the term that came up all the time during the oral arguments last year. They can't just check the box that can't look at it. Automatically meaning something because an applicant is black or his back. and so Jane palmary. As I said, most colleges had been expecting you to go this way, based on the arguments that were made. Actually last fall there. They heard the justices questions. They thought. Conservatives and it didn't go that way, and the six three in one case six to the other, would side the, They did and write this opinion so colleges are ready for it, but the problem is, as jean has been saying is rev has been saying we have experienced this in other states where racial preferences but have actually been eliminated, that it does just objectively reduce the number of students of color that go into these schools right and the bit by bit if the in the margins are start to write. It was it. They think that I think that the california rates for black students now is a third of what it used to be, and so just do you know both

my or and contain gibran jackson accused the chief justice of being disingenuous and saying that, well that the schools could still consider race in terms of it being something that may have either inspired them or set them back, but that kind of adversity could be taken into account and the court specifically his opinion controlling the pen, the chief justice said it was not setting new president, not overturning precedent. well. How do you parse that argument from minority side that this is the chief justice? in disingenuous about trying to make it appear, as if phrase can still be a factor in emissions where You know it comes down to two really a difference when the chief of the majority and the centre is about what exactly what equal protection means under the constitution right. So from the chiefs,

When a view it has to be color blind, you can't make any assumptions, but people can talk about in their essays and already they do. I think you have that cometary before that, that some applicants no emphasise their race or downplayed, because they think it will have an impact is being disingenuous. Well look. This is a very important issue to chief justice, china robbers. This is as important I say the abortion cases where justice samuel leader last year aiding racial preferences as he sees it, has been a driving part of his jurisprudence for decades. So It's a uh. It's no surprise. It's not some new attitude that the chief justice has two thousand seven or eight he wrote an opinion getting rid of contrary integration programmes in kate, twelve schools- and this is really the second shoe to drop in its effort to implement what he sees as a color blind constitution. So dizzy disingenuous, or is it just simply, he wants to take race out of the picture.

Can society. He believes, that's what the constitution requires, not everywhere. There are exceptions in other areas of law- and we saw him- uphold a part of the voting rights act earlier this month, which may have come as a surprise to some people, so I can hi inside his head as being disingenuous. I think this is what John Robert sincerely believes yeah just want talk about what goddess here, the harvard case particular if I were nation american. Listen to this conversation. I'd be saying I waited second, you want to talk about. What's been opening to us and harvard, and and in other schools you, you had asian americans openly being discriminated against because they are over represented in some schools because they had higher grades and there would be personality scores and though I think was a harvard case, personnel the numbers where they were all you, so many words, Z, rode out to try

to discriminate against asian americans and try to keep their numbers down on class. So you you could have an extraordinary student you could have had extraordinary. Four curricular activities you could have been the model applicant for the process, but your discriminated, get discriminated against by harvard isn't that what got us here in the first pillar while harboured said no, we're not discriminate against anybody and these personality scores. What have you dont reflect discrimination. They reflect the views of the interview, reserve or whoever so harboured certainly says we're not discriminating against. Anybody were only giving kind of a plus two certain applicants, particularly blackened hispanic applet, obviously the allegation was they were discriminating and because No, it's a zero sum game in college admissions of somebody gets a plus than somebody else gets a minus, so yes

some asian americans felt they were being discriminated against and the chief justice we looked at the fact that harboured has maintained almost identical racial. downs of its entering class for years and years and years as evidence that they were using the numbers to make sure they stayed at certain proportions. Year after year, supreme court correspond to the wall street, you're, not just brave and just thanks so much for walking through all this. We appreciate it. Let's bring in now. For me, you, the attorney Joyce vance. She also, of course, is an endless, missy legal asteroids good morning. So, as we said not a big surprise here, most people expected decision to come down this way, both of these decisions to come down this way. What's your reaction to the legal argument made by chief justice Robertson, the majority opinion right through the legal argument does a constant national basis, engage tear for saying that these programmes that give a bumper to minority applicants have to come to an end and they have to come to an end now unfold

not like that opinion ignores some of the basic realities of the world that we live in and justice sons, descent, doesn't impeccable job of pointing that out. She says in essence, the chief justice tries to decide by fear that discrimination that racial discrimination has come to an end in america, so there is no longer any need for these affirmative action programmes. You know we hear an echo here of justice roberts decision in shall be county versus folder the voting rights case where, ten years ago, he said No longer any reason to have concern about racial discrimination in voting these old statistics about registration and low turn out among black. There is then no longer tell the story, and of course, history has proven. That opinion was dramatically short sighted did. In fact, we do have problems that continue to pervade the ability of black people to vote

america and that that decision made it worse, not better. I feared that that's the outcome of the show cited analysis in these cases where the chief two says. In essence, this opinion puts a burden on black apple hence and other minority applicants to write an essay that says, hey, take a look at me: I've overcome diversity and the courts. This sort of limited, individualised factor can be considered that poses an awfully strong burden on your average seventeen or eighteen year old, writing college application and instead of permitting colleges and universities when they make admissions decisions to look at factors that contribute to stronger. communities in these academic institutions. It places all of that burden back on individuals, frankly may or may not be able to carry that forward,

Joyce. I agree. I certainly agree with you and and share your concerns. I do wonder what what how what you're responds, not just The majorities facts that they put forward about asian americans being discriminated against but asian, american said that talk about their children being discriminated against asian american students and we are being discriminated against, because this is a zero sum game. If you plus up demographic group you're going subtract from another and- and meantime began, that's been asian american sobered, certainly over the last decade, and of course you look asian americans who might face a different kind of discriminate but from interment camps and just absolutely horrific treatment throughout throughout the years. This isn't exactly a demographic group who has been whose venom raised throughout american history. So what do you

the asian american students and asian american parents this morning say ok. Finally, my kids are going to get an equal chance and stop being up of this of mine stop being zeroed out on the personality scores because of affirmative action so Joe, I think your comments are smart comments and they point to how difficult and nuanced of a problem. This is because, when you talk about college admissions, its inherent, lay a zero sum game. Some students are admitted others. We are not admitted and the central question here whether there is a legitimate interest that survive strict scrutiny in ensuring that black students are admitted that the historic impacts, slavery and of discrimination dont continuance. the modern era and although that's tough

in some ways when you looked across the groups, but we have to do- is have legal rules that permit universities to make decisions that benefit the future I dont mean to pretend that these decisions are anymore easier or simple than they are. But the fact of the or is that when you look at the law in this area, not not just cases out affirmative action like balky, but when you go back to brown versus board of education and when you think about whether there is a legitimate interest in ensuring that lack students can go to college, that disadvantages can be taken account of by universities, which when you think about it, what they're doing right there on some occasions giving some applicants a bump up because of their background, other students get those bump. Ups too, for instance, legacies. If your dad went to harvard you get a bump up. If you're in

Lee? You get a bump up, so these are new, wants decisions that consider a lot of different factors. All let affirmative she did was level the playing field by permitting race to beat Third, as one of many factors used in a homeless the decision making process. That's what the supreme court said, can no longer be done and by the way, speaking of legacies. John ion. Georgia also pointed out that this all could have been avoided if the universities had stopped giving preference. treatment, a legacies and athletes room, right and- and I mean no- we're all familiar with this problem is really one of them are one of the more grotesque elements to two to the whole system of university at the university the the the the the process of how they evaluate students and the the the legacy problem has been a problem. That's best bedeviled people for a long time enjoy

My question for, though those I listen to you enjoy talk about this are you? The question is not every my politically over the course of the last twenty four hours is like to what it will do. This will have the kind of impact this decision that that is given the abortion decision did last year, there's been a while speculation from both directions are obviously it's all. Just as before that we the fall out from the abortion decision. What we all were set collecting about what impact you would have obvious it was. It was an extreme in one direction, which is to say the degree of out over it and the way which an animated democratic voters we saw the impact of that Yes, I'm curious what you think about whether it's gonna There are there's a similar pattern that could play out here. As I listen to you and Joyce talk about it. It high to me at least on the politics. Why I'm at least a little bit article about whether that whether we can have that kind of impact or not, this is- is a form of access. Such it is so much is such a we'll get a nuanced question. Groups are affected and different ways: the abortion decision. It was very clear,

cut in some sense, a fundamental right that more than half of the population had for fifty years was taken away everybody, whether with the notion that, before rally in the way they did around women's rights, in that case, you can see the straight line, Affirmative action has always been more complicated because it says as an different groups differently in the application of it. It is much more subtle. Much more nuanced. There are lots of groups who you would think might be allies that aren't gonna, be on the politics of this. I'm curious what you're it is about whether this is another giant explosion in our politics and will affect twenty twenty four, or whether, as I think this is the third there's so much complexity around this issue- that it's not likely to cut in, quite as deeply or as clearly as the abortion decision that I think that the politics it is is it will cut deeply into and brown voters boone you look The decision saying that we are in fact ending affirmative action, but not in

military coup, so in other words, you can go to a bunker. I was really someone role, but you can't the boardroom through being educated properly. Lot of people in the immediate reaction? was saying to me. This is racially tom. Mid towards stopping our progress stopping to in many ways fix a lot of the historic discrimination Then you will see that going to new orleans this week in the vice president's already they're, not gathering the blacks essence magazine rich new dentist prompt yesterday, the owner people want mobilise now because you The thing that is resonating. What a lot of people is, that supreme court of fire it a bit. Three out of the nine were appointed by donald trump, voting matters and that, Had there been more black turn out in certain places, we may not have add those justices, so I think that you

to see over the weekend. On into the august twenty six march, a lot of people saying wait a minute. We are I'm gonna have a country where you can get affirmative action to serve in the military or go to military schools, but you can't continue the the documented evidence that it made it friends and our lives to about children have a bomb. to be able to go and schools that their parents and grew parents could go to and therefore couldn't, we their education, my mother, my mother, Had to go, drop out of school in alabama has won in the europe we she raised in alabama. She could help me what a whole workers. She didn't have certain educational skilled, we're not talking about. something just an eighteen hundred. It was continuation at times, so you need to remedy what was done by law and I think that's going to end guys. A lot of black borders that matters

that on two fronts in terms of both Jean hey, it's crusades the guy park. Ass wise is happening. Keep map news founding exactly editor Robinson Meyer on the year in climate, fossil fuels actually have been enormous for human flourishing. They have unlock a tremendous amount of prosperity and wealth and health for peace. But you have especially in western europe and north america, but all around the world as well- and you know what you know so did the typewriter. So did oil lamps. They were tremendous technologies, they did a ton of good and then we develop better stuff and that's what we need to do in order to fight climate change and in order to get to where we need to be that this week- and why is this happening? Social wise is happening wherever you're listening right now, unsubscribed Jane I in your piece in the washington post this morning. You say that this decision yesterday, both decisions is ignorant of the past, but you also express concern for the

future. So, as you think, even beyond college admissions, even beyond campus, the follow on acts of this. What this means at the corporate level. Perhaps if we see new lawsuits brought against corporations with tee I programmes and things like that. One. Your concerns, as you now look over the horizon based on this ruling. Well, my control the majority on the supreme court who and where they're going with this, And- and I wonder I mean he did- justice roberts did exempt the military academy and she said that that issue wasn't presented to them in this case, and so they're they're, not they're, not muslim with that, but when We get more suits coming up. Percolating, perhaps that the deal

it's perceived of affirmative action, whether it's real or not, in employment and in hiring and promotions. Wherever what is this court going to do? And- and I I have great concerns about that- but we'll have to see- and just judge too quick observations about this rule and that number one when we talk about harvard and u n c, and these very selective schools, we're talking about choosing a freshman class from a huge pool of qualified applicants harvard could assemble babe a perfectly fine

all white, freshmen class or in all asian for interim or black, for excellent glass from the pool of qualified applicant to do we not talking about giving up the place at harvard to somebody who's not qualified to be there. That's one point second point is about justice roberts sort of leaving the door open a crack and same wow did nothing prohibits. Discussion of a rigorous scrutiny underwent an essay it's. What what he is was essentially saying in the very next sentence he caught it takes it back, and he says by leading, but colleges are not allowed to do through assets is what we'd forbid them to do. So other means. So it's very unclear how the court's gonna react. If give colleges go that route.

It's now left to grapple with. All of this will come back to this. Of course, much more this morning, MSNBC legal analyst, Joyce Vance joy's thanks so much as always. Jonathan got some news here want to get on on the record. For the. U, the conservative political network, led by billionaire Charles koch, has raised more than seventy million dollars ahead of the two thousand and twenty four election in a push to sing. Donald trump accorded the new york times and network plans to throw its weight into the republican presidential nominating contest for the first time in its nearly twenty. history, the times notes than cope networks, goal described only indirectly in written internal communications- is to stop donald trump from winning the republican nomination back in February top, It's official and network wrote a memo to donors and activists, saying it is time to quote: have a president in twenty twenty five who represent

it's a new chapter, so obviously the coke network has been incredibly influential john over the years and republican politics pushing a bunch of money into elections. They say they think can help to sink donald trump and your what that means, which presidential candidate is focused on our backing or it is- is thrown money away, because Donald trump has run away with this thing yet as a lot, we don't know yet here, www you're, right the covenant network extraordinarily Financial and conservative politics bow influence diminished a bit of late. In recent years, they ve been opposed to tromp force time he's given it right back- and he also is low, reliant on some of the big donors, because he is proven so successful at those small donations of raising money from his loyal followers- I couldn't get it in the paper- is legal defence fee more than one occasion so we'll see here, though, that still have a big number and it does symbolise the somehow song- I would stress some republic in

leaning institutions are We tried to move the party away from trump because they've just simply largely because of electability reasons. They don't think he can win again in two thousand and twenty four, but right now the anti as a really taken off, and it's not clear, coalesce run his rivals, who that might be ron de santis, was certainly the great hope among many republicans, wanted to find a different path away from prominently so far is campaign not achieve lift off. His thirty odd points bind trump and the poles and yet since early, but already ascends willie. Really. I say this republicans, I speak to hear in DC and across the country. I sense a real among be never trump, republicans that they feel, like the parties already hurtling toward nominating him. Yet again, no large were because the wrong de sad strain is taken. A d tore away from winning guide said she had a horrible horrible few months. So, let's let let's look at this gentleman when you have the coat network,

talking about pushing seventy million dollars and stop tromp effort or what're you talking about how Leonard LEO's, who you know just stay inherited it over, billion dollars or his political activities is, starting to spread money out behind run the as it seems, people are the most money in the republican party or uniting against trump and away they didn't do in sixteen. You know they they didn't and they didn't. They didn't Joseph really remember back in twenty sixteen and waste a lot of people with the most money, reunited behind JEB Jeb bush Maybe not we'll see our plays out in this in this yes, I mean it's it's this growing trend. As we observed overlookers last few months, the dead there are looking donor class, they're. From now from the us, the circles of

Oh always the people like horror of the people who were in the club for growth, the people now in rio out front. We ve known, some kind of move in this direction for some number of months they ve all now I have decided, that they are definitely definitely deftly get a contract. I I think the problem is twofold. One is that you know who, with who you know where the you'd you talked about run decent as having his detour can't be donald trump with money. You gotta be dull, trouble a candidate and a candidate and well financed candidate monies part of the problem is part of a solution here, but you can't wait. Be donald trump without a candidate and the problem right. at least as there are by their mothers run in there and the republican emanation contest split field epps, donald trump and the arguments. The second point I want to make. The second point is that the argument that the establish french forces. Both The deep state on the laughter increasingly in what do what boy don trouble surely attack as the estate. watchman, right or right

against donald trump. It actually helps him or his argument to his more followers which is still a the largest chunk plurality chunk of the republican base some with the argument that he's a persecuted figure that he's a martyr that fighting for the little guy like them who all under siege from all these various power. forces, so it is not that the detailed from saving it be, he's gonna get beaten by someone with a bunch of money but This. This is not an easy way. I think that guarantees the down trump is gonna, go down just because now, suddenly the coax and others have decided that it. That is their best interests, and in that those that are more electable candidate could win in certain respects. You could actually it up helping trump and and and hurting the republican party. As you say, you gotta have a candidates to be down from monies. But there's no candidate whose confronted him in any meaningful way yet will see if that changes. Now the smoke is back We should call

but also new york and across the east coast and scorching temperatures and better quality really impacting millions of americans outside of chicago and the east coast all across the country tax It's my lord taxes has been bay, gay There are severe early season heat wave, its reaching triple digits its weight, british, their arrival in the hottest locations on the planet, including this act, a desert and parts of the persian gulf, spreading to the lower Mississippi valley in parts of the south west. Meanwhile, much of the mid west northeast are facing. how the airlines is warnings wildfire smoke from canada, blankets, the region there. Let's bring an NBC news, medical contributor, doktor van gupta, to talk about what All of this means he's a harvard trained along specialists and health policy expert.

doktor will get to the nyt and the heat and manages horrible horrible temperatures, especially in taxes, but Let's talk about the smug coming down from canada, how dangerous as it was in mourning you for highlighting this illness is something back and we haven't to talk about outside the west coast, the united states, but in the month of July and August, the fact that the mid west new york, a few weeks ago is experiencing. This is bringing to light something critical here. Pollution, Joe in and of itself, is now this. the leading cause of death worldwide, and we don't talk about this alive, but the impact it can have on maternal health. We know that if it women just in breathing air from wildfire smoke for just a few days. It can result in preterm birth. We exposed tat while I smoke again for? Just a few days might have lower long volumes for the next ten years of their life. To me. Insistence on this is serious and theirs.

there are things we can do to keep our cell say tat. We are living in this era of wildfire smoke. We have to be prepared because a more common occurrence, not just in the weeks ahead this summer, Well summer is going forward because of the effects of climate change, the more the greater frequent these wildfires and so on. So how can we, as a country, prepare to adjusted that's? What can we do in the short term to take better care? helps protect our lungs, but what the things we need to do longer, arranged to four people. Printing, feeble with vulnerabilities, This is the new reality job so glad you asked, and I think we have a graphic was his first after the viewer said. I love to take them through earth. There are certainly things that you can do to keep yourself safe. First of all, go to air

now dark gov air, now don giovanni to check your local air quality report. Yes, it might seem hazy outside the jonathan will end. The fact is we spend most of their time most of your life indoors, if its hazy outside? We want to make sure your indoor air quality is as clear as possible to stay informed at its bad, outside a slightly risk, to be bad inside avoid fiscal exertion? Italy people still go out and runs when it's hazy outside a bad thing to do, even if you are otherwise healthy, clean. Your indoor air want to make sure that if you have any see as an example looking seawater, filter. You have to make sure one: it's cleaner cleaning regularly. If you can emerge. Ten or merv. Thirteen filter Gosh you didn't catch. The particle from the wildfire smoke much more effectively than the filters that are usually in place. That's vital as one of those What things you can do, merv thirteenth alters, run your ac as

as an additional point, if you have a cp, I know a lot of people don't have ac, but if you have a c make sure the inset to the fresh air intake is shut off, europe's are studying into recirculation again denver thirteen filter keeper windows closed. You have asthma, c, o p d. One of these underlying health conditions make sure your. optimized for their medical regimen that you're feeling. Well, you have recourse during your inhalers. Tourist optimized is possible and, lastly, there was mass talk so much about the last three and a half years use ninety five so protect you fully, but their better than nothing. Doktor grouping of mourning the sea when attorney to that heat in texas, the people and taxes are used to the summer time being hot, but this is something else. he'd over a hundred and ten degrees rivalling the temperatures in the sahara desert in the persian gulf right now making texas among the hottest places on earth right now,

S are obvious the, but this has been going on. This is sustained now for a long time. What do the people down there do about it? How did they cope This is difficult again, a lot of these places great problems to the abbey see you have to utilise it. If you don't the result, is that have been put into place to cross these places in the southwest and are experiencing high heat just real quick. I know we don't have a ton of time a lot of heat ass. He threw his cardiovascular. Compromise. We seen now he'd, actually impact again, maternal health results in birth Anders a clear evidence here that access to key led supreme for asia and there's a lot of ways in which the heat is causing ill humor out lily in ways that we often talk about two critical to protect yourself and get shelter locally or already have it at home. They want our friends them

to be safe and certainly check on your neighbours as well, and we see new medical contributor, doktor van gogh, doktor group always great abbe on thanks, so much so others or is making headlines. This morning, the former sheriffs deputy who fail to confront the gunman in the parkland school shooting has been acquitted yesterday, a jury, found scott petersen not guilty of seven counts of child neglect. Three counts of culpable negligence and one count of perjury investigators accused your son of retreating as the shooting unfolded inside marjorie stolen douglas high school in florida in two thousand eighteen, seventeen people were killed in that it,

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