I think that that country right now faces hugely challenging and fund. Really important issues and well We've done in our politics is create a situation where we're electing idiots, then, so I don't look at it through the lens of, like you know, is this what I should do or what I shouldn't do I look at it through the lens of how do we elect serious people and I think electing serious people can't be partisan. Former congresswoman list cheney, with a frank assessment on the state of american politics, wonder who she's actually talking about? there. I think we now perhaps the republic hence leading going out yet another exceed as for that leaked audiotape, that appeared to capture him showing off closet

material. What two people without security clearance has a lot of people saw that, audio as him admitting to crime, but any our view with fox news digital yesterday, the former president professed his innocence and the media, even fox of coins, firing against him. Here's a portion, add, leaked tape from august of twenty twenty one followed by trumps defence yesterday yeah amazing, this totally wins migration,

except it is highly secretive done by the military and given to me. I think we can probably laugh as he did last year as president. I couldn't do that now. I can't you know, but this is interesting the whole desk full of lots of papers and mostly news. They brought a girl's copies of magazines, copies of different plans, copies of stores having to do with many many subjects and What we said was absolutely fine and bruce very perfectly. We did nothing wrong. This is a whole hoax. We had a lot of papers a lot of paper, stacked up You could hear the rustle of the paper and nobody said I did anything other than the fake news, which of course is fox too.

Later in the day trump altered. His depends once again in a conversation with reporters from semi for and a beastly news to vomit resonant claimed the plans. He was here owing to on the leaked tape, were related to his realistic property. Is not? U s military plans for a potential attack on a wrong. He told the journalist quote: I would say it was bravado if you want to know the truth. It was bravado was talking- and I was just holding up the papers and talking about them, but I have no doubt whence I didn't have any documents today is the word plans, what I'm referring It was magazines, newspapers, plans of building I have plans of buildings, you no plans. I'd plans of a gulf core up spark its willie he had me are you here, the rustle of the papers of the iran plans I mean,

such contempt for his voters, or maybe just assumes they haven't, heard the tape to suggest that what he calls explicitly on that tape from bed minster to summers, array of a defence department documents, as sometimes you just have to laugh at the absurdity. Its plans scares me for a guy of course, its plans for one of the buildings that I've been working on. He also had Mika yesterday in one of his interviews a bit of a cell affirmation telling himself that he's a legitimate person. What's listen, you're, not going and then with the euro voice on those on those recordings. My voice was fine, what did I say wrongly those recordings- I didn't even see the recording. Are there any other recordings that we should be concerned nor of any recordings- and you should be concerned with because I don't do things wrong. I do things right legitimate person, there's an element of stewart smiling. I looking in the mirror, sam good enough people like me saying I'm illegitimate person, but I dont do things wrong. You things

I'm a legitimate yeah, but it also speaks to the impunity with which he has operated with his supporters, especially for the last several years, which is I just say that these were plans for a golf course or for one I buildings, despite what's explicitly on the tape and they'll by it, and that the quartet meagre there about the and the buildings he seemed like it was. evolution as he was taught, he was a way building plans with golf course. Oh that's what it was. I mean it. It's nonsensical and you're right it's. It shows a lack of of of respect for the people who have followed him this far. He feels that he can just say anything and they will believe it poland suggest he's not allowing other raw exert. A lot of people do in a lot of republicans elected officials, important figures we'll find him too, and when they both we believe it or not the professed that they do in order to not anger him or anger his voters. He lived for the most part, a political life of no consequence and get away with what everyone

He did lose an election, but, of course the store there is he actually didn't, and the people believe that too, and what's so different right now, is that he faced legal challenges where had their courtrooms, where there will be consequences. He catches and Katy K will get into the details of this speaker, Mccarthy story a little bit later in the show. But it's a case in johns point, which is he dared step out in kind of an aside sideways. Why perhaps criticized is Donald trump's chances of winning the twenty twenty four election and then had to quickly clean up there. As an scramble and by some reports, call donald trump to apologize. It just speaks to the matter with you. telling the truth, which is a rare occasion, oars pretending that a classified documents golf course plans that he's protected by the people around him Cause history is fascinating. These, in this kind of

I there is nobody shoes. I would want to be in less than mccarthy shoes at the moment in washington to field of kind of you know from all of his members who want to show that they are loyal to trump to and having to kind of tamp down. All of those were bolt revolts in his own party at the moment, but I I was struck like John about the geek it's almost like he's thinking in real time. Maybe they were building plans? No, that doesn't quite sound right, no okay! So let's go with golf plans and there's a question mark of those building plans, as he hasn't really decided he's thinking in real time. What's my latest defense going to be, but watch that fox news interview and we ve only got the transcript of the abc semi c one, but is pretty low energy a minute to in a phrase from MR trump himself at minutes? That's not, but he doesn't he's not fighting that he's not got his usual bombastic, I'm absolutely right as a they're just seems to me, as if you were to run the body language around that interview that seem to me, somebody who was aware of

kind of problems they were and it was kind of scrambling around for non citizens. Excuses no question. Things have gotten more serious for donald trump. I guess you just can't get enough people buying his version of the story that he was just I around with some golf plans. How does this fit in to the special councils? Investigation? Well, we're learning previously unreported details about special council jack's, miss investigation in the former president donald? prompt handling of nuclear secrets. After leaving the white house near times, is performing this morning. Prosecutors working, smith, have issued at least one subpoena for surveillance footing from trumps bed minster, golf clubs, that's where that conversation on tape took place to start. Was familiar with. The matter say that came sometime. after the government's request for footage from our luggage is still not clear, The footage shows are exactly why prosecutors wanted to obtain the times. Also reporting prosecutors quote Fatah pitched

with MR trumps lawyers late last year over how best to search the new jersey property, specifically in there, the gators discussed executing search war, dead bed minster last fall because they were concerned more documents, war stash there, that's according to two people briefed on the matter, but one of those we'll told the times the justice department did not have probable cause to obtain a warrant from a judge. that's bringing congressional investigations reporter for the wash in post, jackie alimony she's got a new reporting. This morning How federal prosecutors are Zero again now on the former presidents, new jersey, golf club, adding tales about why the fbi has not search but minster so Jackie. What Can you tell us about this yet willing? Will we came to found my colleagues to ask us, spencer, sue Ann. I that this piece of That means that we now have have all heard this week of trump brandishing documents at his bed. Minster, new jersey, property came, did come late in the game,

really in recent months, ahead of the forty nine page indictment that jack smith and his team unveiled last month, but was a very key and critical piece of evidence that that sort of expedited spurred the charges against former president donald trump as former law enforcement officials and current law enforcement officials told us yesterday there's nothing new. piece of evidence? That's more powerful? At the end of the day, then someone talking about the potential crime that they committed in their own voice and the words and on tape That being said, we too, like the new york times, reported that ultimately, there was not enough evidence or probable cause, or in Is that the sort of public perception of that political cover too you just search warrant at sir, and at that point, the truck lawyers had sort of adjusted their posture and war trying to comply with the court's order too.

extra that they attested in some way that they had fully complied with the may twenty twenty to subpoena asking for trouble to be responsive to request for returning all classified materials in his possession, but before the august rate of marilla, though the legally executed ass, which warrant had occurred, prosecutor, already knew that trump was taking these boxes, and for us there was a lot of evidence that they had already collected about his habits, but they are also concluded that the bull the material still whereat marilla go a lago. sam stein here question and hangs over the bed minister portion of this is: what would you smith do with a new jersey setting right. There's a judge, Colleen cannon down in Florida is overseeing this case. We all know she's a hit she's appointed by trump. She has a history of ruling in favor of trump's legal team. The question

we have as if he gets an adversarial hearing in front of cannon? Could this she'll council, go to new jersey and try to re litigate these cases. How would that work functionally they have the chance to even do that. If they have won were hearing going on in palm beach area? Yes, and this is certainly a question that has been in the bloodstream- that a lot of trump officials, quite frankly, have been hypothesized about There is certainly the possibility that if things were to go south in florida that the charges could be brought in in new jersey under this idea that the venue that a place where the crimes were in part committed was in josie that being said as well, seen all along the special council and the team in its entirety has been extremely strategic. There was a lot of disease

making and deliberation about where to bring charges to begin with, even with the I noted that I lean cannon would be overseeing the trial and the cap. Relation that was made was that there would be most successful in florida, bringing these charges there at the end of the day, despite it being potentially positive grounds for four donald trump But again this is someone who I dont think would have brought these charges, and this idea even of trump coming up with these excuses. that he didn't actually have a classified document. You ve gotta think that that jacks If already has potential witnesses lined up to appear court to say what exactly that they they saw this meeting so Jackie. One of the focuses of this so council on the morrow lago documents case is not just the fact that they were there at the beach club, but there was and when the national archives There's tried to get them back then,

time story this morning. Talking about bed minster suggest there was some of that a bed minster as well that they had to be the legal team. The trump legal team had as its arm twisted just to go, look for documents and then wooden sign. A document saying yes, we checked everywhere got their own people to look, didn't look in certain areas at bed, minster, it sounded like. The special council also may be looking at obstruction at bed minster as well. That is something that we do not have. The reporting on at the moment- and we get a little bit into the back and forth- that was occurring between trumps, legal team and prosecutors at that time? was one person in particular, who was raising questions and concerns about doing hiring an outside team to conduct a search at bed. Minister that was born. Stein. Atop adviser in house counsel to former president but at the end of the day, that certain of that and sir was ultimately conducted by this outside team and no additional classified materials were

italy sound, but again There was some hesitation and reticence and conversations that did occur about so in bed minster in some hesitation, but obviously veto prosecutors did not take dots litigate. The matter further and and ultimately execute a search warrant. But as for those, instruction charges? That again is not that that is. Something that were seeing bear out just yet, at least many legal experts will say this man has been caught in a lie and, as catty K pointed out, his body language really does reflect that. It looks, instead and he's sort of these little lies or coming out here and there a smattering of lies here, a smattering of lies there. He is running as life, they would say running from jail time. Congressional investigations report for the Washington post

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the case more versus harper based out of north carolina, centred radical theory, known as the end the state legislature, theory it would have given legislators, virtually unchecked power over federal elections based on an extreme interpretation of the constitution's elections clause- six to three rolling. The supreme court rejected that anti democratic theory with chief justice, John roberts. Justice is Brett Cavanaugh and a maker They bear it signed with the liberals. In his opinion, the chief justice rights, the elections, com, does not insulate state legislatures from the ordinary exercise of state judicial review, adding that the legislatures, the framers recognised, are the mere creature. years of the state constitutions and cannot be greater than their creators. John eastman,

a legal adviser to Donald trump embrace this friend, fairy as a way to overturn the twenty twenty election, arguing that then vice president MIKE pence had the power to refuse to certify the results in an email exchange with NBC news, eastman clay, the ruling would prevent legislatures from addressing illegal wendy and fraud in a timely manner when asked if the ruling invalidates arguments. He made an twenty twenty eastman rope boat. No, but it will be merk here than it was previously joining us now to delve deeper into this willing senior legal affairs reporter at politico, Josh gerstein Josh talk about, if you could, what was at stake, While this is pretty significant mega, two different fronts, one the one you just mentioned, involving the twenty twenty four presidential race and the possibility that you could have seen republicans.

Typically foreign president tromp put forward this kind of effort. To put. State legislatures on steroids, you might say to say that they could be the ultimate arbiter of who want an election in their state, and that obviously could have to post election that, that is the plan that the trump team tried this to run in twenty twenty, but basically got cut off at the past and the supreme court. through. The reasoning of its really makes it seem like that's a lot less likely here. The second front, of course, is the issue of control of the. U S, house representatives and- and this decision seem to shift the and in favour of Democrats in the overall way, and we the redistricting is how to set up the districts so as to put in a different way Josh. Can you explain what what could have been if this went at the outcome was different.

well, if thou come was different, you could have seen as situation where state legislatures were emboldened, where some of these legal theories that you are discussing before coming from John east lynne, who is now facing a disbar meant proceeding, could have seen much more potentially credible and twenty twenty four. If we had a nightingale biter typewriter, I action there the notion that each state should in a position, through its legislature, to decide where its electors we're going to go rather than some kind of recognition, The will of the voters, you know, is the kind of thing that could potentially throw the whole action into chaos and- and I think the supreme court stepped away from that possible. Eddie with the six three whirling josh's. You know a lot of people were holding their breath waiting for this announcement because of the implications you just laid out for democracy and what might have been different at twenty in two thousand and twenty. What could have been different in two thousand and twenty four prizes. As you talk to people in terms of the sixty three vote, perhaps that it was

cabin. I name e bear at the two justices appointed to the three appointed by donald trump, the tip the balance a bit here. yeah? It was definitely surprising to see, bear and cabin. I come across with roberts. Cavenaugh took some more nuanced and slightly different position than roberts, but still that's still ex three super majority and suggest there aren't that many boats in play for this theory that kind of puts state legislatures at the aid acts of deciding how a presidential election comes out that wasn't, the core issue. In that case, it was more around the issue of redistricting and the power of state ledge lakers in in other federal elections? But it definitely undercuts this case that some concern really eagle. Activists were trying to make too to sort of back to a more old fashioned approach where maybe they're didn't even need to be actions and the electors in each state could just be picked by the political leaders. There too, as we heard one of us

and she fingers johnny, he's been with NBC yesterday email interview, sort of acknowledged that This really would make what he try view and twenty twenty murky here that was his word east and, of course, was one of those trying to push the effort for vice president pants to overturn the election results and therefore keep Donald. In office, so justice put it simply We think that as the next actions on the horizon the dead things to get a little safer. A little fair should americans feel a little more confident that their vote will be heard. This time around that's right, Jonathan, I think this does. It seems to put the nail in the coffin. I would say it's it's not quite as murky as MR eastman was too sitting, although it is actually a benefit for eastman. As I said in this its barman legal discipline proceedings that he's facing because remember they got three supreme court justices to say that at least this was credible theory, three people who dissented

from the roberts decision, and so it doesn't quite seem all that fringe. If you add three supreme court justices, that sort of added in that particular camp Those are the particular conservative members of the supreme court can. When can I just look at the states where there is report? can control, which is strip republican, choose which a swing states so arizona, georgia, north carolina and wisconsin, and what specifically kind of in the light of twenty twenty and twenty one this would mean for those states, work I mean you're, remember you had really giuliani going across the country appearing in front of conservative state legislatures geo be controlled stew, legislators sort of making the case for election fraud, and if this had gone the other way you would have seen those legislatures basically common electoral tribunals of some sort, and this decision basically says that ports are the ones that are going to play, that role and not stay

legislators, and so in that sense, if you're looking for the trump, Operation to sort of re run that playbook in twenty twond. for it makes this particular play. Not look that thyssen are likely to be successful. Josh think we exhausted the questions on the more decision here, your brilliant analysis side. Can you look at the next couple cases that are to come and also put this in contacts of what roberts is trying to do about what is actively a free following public opinion about the state of the supreme court their serve to different schools. Here, sam about where the supreme court is headed, this could be a last minute concession in a more liberal or pro democratic direction. Before we get the decision that were expecting on affirmative action, for example, where the court's direction, not just for years but for decades, has been to pull back a affirmative action, so we're thinking that the conservative justices will hold sway

and perhaps bring it two affirmative action? Certainly in college admissions you ve got binds. Sir debt relief plan. That is also up there at the supreme court and a case analogy bt rights, so you could potentially see, serbia's round the table. But if you take a more sort of strategic outlook, anything that that's what roberts is pursuing here. As we come to the end of this term, you really see him as the institutional issues trying to get the court out of the political spot, light and return things to an era where every decision was not seen as poetical is just not clear, though whether he has power. In every case, you ve got a six three republican concern I really super majority on that court. as we saw in the dobbs decision last year in its quite possible for the court to basically ignored What roberts is recommending and go in another direction, saying

legal affairs report or add politico Josh Gerstein. Thank you so much for your reporting this morning, anymore stories to get to this morning. Former, how speaker Nancy policy will headline a fundraiser for democratic. this reuben guy I go tomorrow as he campaigns where the arizona set at sea held by kyrgyzstan. Cinema that's according to invitation by the to the event obtained by NBC news philosophy has not formally endorsed ago cinema left the democratic party and Fifthly, registered as an independent late last year, just days after democrats reached a slim, fifty under forty nine majority in the senate. She has not sad there. She will run for re election and twenty twenty four guy ago a four term, congressmen and retired marine has been highly critical of cinema and announced a bid for her saint in january, the arisen

Senate raises one of several that will determine which party occasion all the senate. Next year willie department of justice report says conduct at the metropolitan correctional centre in new york allowed convicted pedophile and cereal sex offenders. Jeffrey Epstein too. By suicide. In two thousand nineteen, the one hundred twenty page report found thirteen bureau employees failed to monitor Epstein every thirty minutes, as was required, and then about it. Abstain was allowed next. Clothing in his cell in the prison. to make sure he had a cellmate, as was recommended two of those thirteen employees or criminal the charge for their roles in Epstein death mecca. ryan seek rest is set to take over hosting duties for the long running we of fortune. He will replace the beloved pat sage recently announced his plans to retire from hosting game show after

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I mean it'll, be our turn to see the side. Not are we keeping her? Does she decide to stay? Do you get a seacrest Vana tandem? Now, really. I should note that ryan seacrest taken over way too early tomorrow, he's adding to his portfolio he's he's ambitious for SF. He could certainly buy all the vowels, yeah evanna white. Of course we, as we report earlier this week in contract negotiations, are really wants significant raised just like this. She was under paid for a long time. Their pet subject made more than she did. He is more but she is such a part of that institution. Let us hope that she stays and got young mister, see crest into his next help him, television, evanna meagre pay a great. She should know her value the pen as announced an additional five hundred million dollar aid package to ukraine. This will be the EU s. Governments, forty first financial lifeline to keep the munitions, will directly assist ukrainian troops and their counter offensive. The new york times report the pen

gone, sent more ammunition, to ukraine from its stockpiles, including stinger and patriot, air defence missiles, guided rockets and artillery ammunition, Bela russian state news media reports, the leader of the short, lived russian rebellion. Yet guinea prognosis arrived in belarus, yesterday, according to them our times, president alexander lukashenko spoke with state media about his phone calls. With reboot and as saturday's rebellion unfolded. Lukashenko reportedly said Putin had suggested they kill the vulgar group leader, but lukashenko advised again Instead lukashenko apparently told Putin quote a bad piece: is better than any war before calling proposing himself to warn him that Putin was to squash em like a bug. Ok,

two dynamics here. Will aid that I have a lot of questions about number one does regulation, survive this and now because shankar making himself look like the winner here, I'm just saying it seems like everybody is gonna be getting under under Vladimir putin skin and we know how that goes to many people taking too much credit away from Vladimir Putin and will see where that goes journeys. Now, former supreme ally, commander of NATO retired forced our admiral james to breeders, he's chief international analyse for NBC news and associate professor in global politics, a university college, london, frying class good morning to you, both admiral start with you dusted seven little bit on this head spinning couple of days in russia, where promotion is on the doorstep of moscow one day out thinks he can get all the way to the gates of the kremlin effectively. Suddenly, a deal brokered by lucas shinko in Belarus puts it to an end. What do you make of of what we saw and where does it go from here? Let's gonna, do it

from the inside out. If you well so ground zero is propose, and I think he said dead man, walking literally see you are or later, and I would guess, probably sooner Putin will decide. I never. Forgive I never forget, and he will take out- propose how there curse exactly I don't know, but if I were, you have getting propose and I wouldn't stand near any open windows that high altitude go. One click out and you're with Putin. This hurts Putin. It doesn't take em up or destroy him if he were a stock putin's value pride gone down about thirty percent, but he's not penny stock? He still has capability. He still will can need to maneuver, and he comes out of this, and here third ring of this particular russian inferno. Comes out of this will entail Those around here- the generals who patently didn't try to stop for ngos,

the intelligence services. How diligent were they in reporting to him on this? How many of the oligarchs jumped on there private jets and went flying away. How many actually stuck around and tried to support him has gathered a lot of intelligence, so look for a real programme to unfold to take out those that displeased. If the evil leader in the kremlin and in fact, some reporting that some of putin's own generals knew this was coming and did not tell Vladimir Putin to your point. Let's go out to the fourth ring asheville, and that is ukraine. If you're on the other side of that war, if you were president, lenski and his generals you're watching what happened over the weekend and you're thinking? What you're feeling pretty damn good you're saying do yourself, fusion in alarm. Amongst my enemies, beer deal napoleon cloak when you're

I hide by the way you loved the quote. Napoleon said: never interrupt your enemy, one he's in the process of making a terrible mistake and that's effectively what happened On the other hand, this is not going to be a strategic shift in what's happening on the ground. The ukraine and still have to drive home. The counter offensive on the ground. I think it there are hi fives, but now there are putting their shoulders back to work on the counter offensive ryan. You ve been studying coups around the world for a decade and attempted one here, and you explained in the atlantic why coups fail when it comes to would have russia, you write. This quote, everyone loyalist or not, can see. Putin has been openly attacked, which conveys weakness Putin's forces in ukraine will wonder what they should get killed in a seemingly futile war, particularly when the biggest territorial gains, the war so far,

I'll bet in russia, not ukraine and putin. Already, a paranoid in a rational figure will now make more decisions out of fear so even cool fizzles, they will change russia's internal politics, Putin's behaviour and the battlefield. annex in ukraine there are no guys in a battle in which to russian war. Criminals vie for control of a major nuclear power. However, if you're watching events, in trying to understand these strategic logic of coups in how Putin regime might end look out for, either the loyalist stay loyal or start appeal off towards those challenging him. If important figures, into abandon the regime on mass putin is so brian. In your estimation, what's the likelihood of that are going to start to cease and people peel away? or is the iron grip of Putin strong enough that they just can't do it so, nor we, what happens after a coup attempt fails or a mutiny fails, is the dictator feels vulnerable paranoia afraid with good reason, and they begin to purge people and what

research seems to suggest is. Actually. This is a reasonably effective tactic, at least in the short term, because what it ten to do, isn't reasserts the iron grip of the dictator, and it makes people work about challenging him of prudent. Doesn't do this if he doesn't know killer promotion or end up in a cracking down on potential enemies. The more people will challenge. Putin and more people get nor had the maybe he is really weak and it's time to move against him. So this is going to be a very precarious moments in russian politics. It'll be a moment were putin problem war wants to send a signal, strength as well, and that the people around the world, all watching, because dictatorships have there bad information spaces. Everybody lies to everybody else in a dictatorship, and this is the ways they get information on the cracks break, a fine, we can sort of see what everyone actually thanks, and so this is where a lot of moving pieces will start to settle. I think in the coming weeks think a quick look at

this might mean for any prospects of negotiations around ukraine overshadowed by the can dramatic events of the weekend in russia itself. There was this meeting in copenhagen, which was an wouldn't meeting, because you had brazil, india and south africa attending to discuss ukraine. So you had these non aligned countries which are being kind of on the fence that we want to bring into the orbit of the west. Actually there with the ukrainian officials and of course, we got the vilnius meeting of the NATO meeting. up in just a couple of weeks. Time does: what's happened over the last few days. Impact time table. Do you think for any serious peace negotiations that might be taken place. What we just have to watch how this counter offensive plays out. I think it's more door number to carry, but there is an increased propensity. I hope on the port. Of russia, if europe, and he's a unitary decision maker there's, you know

it's gotta shake him a little bit and secondly, A circle around him is shaken by this, and I think that all of that might lead to a bit more of a propensity to come to the negotiating table. Let's go all the way out in the circle to beijing. This is port for us to understand how all this is received by president. She he is now watch buffoonery on the part of russia in this debacle for almost a year and a half he he's lou, seeing patients with that situation knows this could end very badly is concerned, about an escalation that really cracks the global economy. He will put pressure on Putin, I hope On the other side, it's a different burn rake here. Its power play since how long are we willing to continue to fund in support ukraine, I would argue we ought to make that indefinite. There are others who might put pressure so

those two things: caddy you're, absolutely right to pose. The question I think, will begin to put pressure in our part, of way toward a negotiation, but not immediately Brian SAM's tinier, I'm wondering if you like me worse putting the weaken continent that may be what comes after Vladimir Putin is worse and that maybe we don't want to deal with the Van group as Joe arm a running russia. Their state. Obviously so, if you're in the? U s government, which is sort of our way to look into this work, think. How do you manage is? Can you men just do you have any impact and try into you, it again against the worst outcomes of potential. Or you just sort of chapter to events include normally produce dictatorships as well, so we normally swap one for the other and sometimes The knock on effects them can can then be very negative, because the new

dictator becomes extremely paranoid about the military. It miscalculate make decisions out of fear. So you know there's there's! No. There are no good guys here and I think that the most likely outcome A transition in russia is another dictatorship. This system has to change right. I mean the prom is there? Anyone who can navigate their way to the top in russia has to be effectively a murderous crook and in to change that you have to change the levers of power. That means changing. You know the very top people in military and security apparatus. It means changing the oligarchs structure. That is not gonna happen quickly, but I think for the: u s mention for western allies. The key thing to look out for it is those moments of change. You have to be ready because you have to be there to try to. put your finger on the scale a little bit when the transition happens to encourage a better outcome and not to not to necessarily force it or anything like that. But to say we are here to support you. If you do

become more democratic. If you want to leave putin ism behind. This is what we can give you, and I think that would be too. Our approach here, when Putin eventually does fall general. U s are the present made clear yesterday that the? U s communicate to Moscow hey. We had nothing to do what was happening on saturday delivered that message. There's a school thought, though, that prudent and was pushing to go shake it, which is something he doesn't often do and in part because he did want us and violence rocks, we'll hundreds from moscow, you didn't see, russians killing or the russians does then open up a window per apps, the! U S, allies could take advantage of the threat of violence in russia is actually it might make Putin act that maybe that's a red line. They can nudge whether it is with Sixteen or perhaps a little more, not only to ukraine that it's ok to occasionally strike over the border. That's a smile, observation, and I I know that our friends, at these. Cia are person

All of that and the good news is, we have a brilliant mind there in bill burns ambassador burns, former and bastard russia directorate. Cia he's taking care So with the rest of the national security team, Jonathan and I think you're right, they will look were the nuances in what has occurred and played them forward. A final thought as you look at, The events of this mutiny and you think back in history, a hundred years ago to the russian revolution. Go back to nineteenth. Seventeen is one the tsar falls, but it's eighteen o five. When the meal need on the potemkin a name vessel occurs that lights, the fuse that ends up to the professors eventually blowing up that particular dictator, challenge, a niece exactly right will be making.

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I await in on the issue of abortion during a fundraiser in maryland last night, speaking to a crowd of about one hundred donors, Biden, criticise states that have passed laws restricting access to abortion according to the hill, he defended reproductive rights. Saying quote: I'm a practising catholic another big on abortion, but guess what ro versus wade, got it right and drive them a mere. While president Biden may not often dive into the issue come le harris. The vice president has a very a strong voice on this. But this is a dynamic. The white house to set up in its in part, created because of the present, personal feelings about abortion. He went years without saying a word. He was very clear, at last night the fundraiser maryland- that it's something that he's some you know is not always comfortable talking about, but made very clear that roe v wade is the law. Therefore, the white house has made the vice president that they're there

central voice on this issue in many around the west wing. I feel like it's the voice. She has really it's the issue. Where was, she is really found her voice? This mysteries been comfortable talking about that. She has been their leading advocate in terms of called defend women's health care to defend reproductive rights, which she's been their fiercest critic of what supreme court did. You're, so go and when she in fact gave a couple of centerpiece speeches in the last couple days around jobs, anniversary and aids tell me that should continue meagre and willie as the programmes, this presidential term and ramps up, and we know that abortion much like it wasn't. Twenty twenty two is going to loom large in about twenty twenty four and look for the vice president be out front on that, there's going to be a centerpiece, of this campaign with Democrats emphasising that issue the first republican presidential term. mary debate in that campaign set to take place less than two months from now. Not yet clear, Donald trump will be on that stage. New reporting from NBC news finds the former president

is leaning heavily towards skipping. That first debate, that's according interviews with more than I ask dozen advisers: one source who is incurred shrunk to take this day said: quote: he's not going to debate unless he's forced by changing poland. I disagree with that, but it is where he is and quote trump as a twenty nine point advantage over second ace, rhonda santas in the ways NBC news, Poland trump also exploring options for counter protein. I mean during that first debate. According to people, familiar with his deliberations may be a big rally. Corner wanted Its trump has not made a final decision, but if he does not debate, I doubt he's staying so sam style, the thinking from Donald trump easier. If I'm up by thirty points, why bother debate the people are with me? I don't have to make my case and a stage I don't have to they run the santos and give him the chance to come after me. All this whole. big rally and probably get more viewers with it, at least among my base

yeah. I mean terms wrong a lot about a lot of stuff, but he might be right about this. One. There's not much upside potential allotted downside firm, stepping on the stage having more or less six or seven people just bludgeon him for an hour and a half. He did this before yeah, if I recall correctly, holding an event to raise money for veterans, I believe edge of charity for veterans of questionable- why, whether all the donations actually got there, but that's what he it in advance of the. I will call did go on and we lost the ilo carcasses in twenty. Sixteen, I dont think because he skipped the debris in this case, he's way further ahead at the current juncture than he is that he was back then There is really very little incentive structure for do that This just raised questions about what the irish sea does if he were to start the debate, because it would be a violation of the world

pledge, but also it could put call into question their power and influence in organizing a primary yeah. This is gonna. Worldly, watching the aral sea and whether they exercise their power and enforce donald trump to stick to the rules or like most republic, organizations bandanna, but donald trump is not point of himself in a situation where he doesn't have complete control and a debate stage. That's just not something he's gonna put himself out there for if he doesn't have to Let's take a look at the morning papers. The rochester, democratic and chronicle has a front page feature on new york legislation that requires businesses to inform nine eleven survivors that they are eligible for medical coverage, encompass compensation. Supporters say people dont know about the states programme, for those who are exposed to toxins during that year, thousand was one terrorist attacks as of march this year, more than

a thousand civilian survivors and eighty five thousand first responders had signed up the nine eleven notice act is now at the governors desk. Oh hi, o the dayton daily news highlights a new report from the cdc on an increase in east Sigur at sales and a big one official say: sales john by forty six percent over the past three years. In january, twenty twenty about fifteen million east cigarettes were sold and never went up to nearly twenty three million by december of last year, the cdc reports, the surge driven by non tobacco flavoured products like menthol fruit in candy flavors. Teenagers report using and, of course, are being marketed directly at teenagers yeah. Thanks a lot that and finally, the south jersey times leads with a push to by congress to provide tutors and all public schools. The expanding access to high impact tutoring act would allow school districts

apply for grants that would pay for tutors to meet with students. Three times a week. Last week. The nations report card showed a jury in reading and math scores among thirteen year olds in the wake of the pandemic a dark prophecy foretold her death, then through fire they came to pass and the faithful mourned, but it wasn't the hand of god, the lid actually mortal sin pod cast from daylight and from me, judgments. Listen to all episodes of mortal sin. Now, wherever you get your pot casts,