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Why should I allow you get a fair shake? Ok,
This is a fair interview, but he saw stones on the hostile side son. I once it's a puff peace, but that's ok, hybrid. Why would I allow a hostile network
and then allow people that are pulling at zero.
Following a zero. Many of these guys, one of them, is zero with an arrow left. I think that's a mistake, in other words, a zero, that's less than zero foot look. Nicky is very low. There are over eleven, so why would I allow people at one and two percent and zero percent to be hitting me with questions on? I don't think it's fair allright that was farmer.
and donald trump noncommittal answer on debating the other reports
I can candidates because of their polling numbers when new.
It shows his own are starting to slip
in his federal indictment and the possibility of another
I meant for january six coming this summer on the numbers are starting to slip and you look at the people outside the hard core republican base. Republicans in
and even independence, leaning republican you get outside of that to swing,
others to independence
everybody else, something like eighty five percent of those voters.
They guineas drop out of the rice right now. I'll have more on that. I had also ahead were learning more about the plea deal for hunter Biden.
There is some dispute this morning on whether the justice department investigation,
The president's son is better
or not plus, developments from deep in the atlantic ocean canadian aircraft detected underwater noises in the search for the
missing. Titanic tourist submersible we'll have the latest.
good morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is Wednesday june twenty first with us, we have the hosting
to too whitehouse bear cheap at politico, jonathan le maire and b news national affairs analyse John Heilman and host he supposed of an executive producer of show times the circus.
White house, so editor for politico SAM stein is with us this morning. Let's talk about that,
Paul island, which shows donald trump, is losing some support among republican prime
the voters and the latest cnn survey, forty seven percent of register
republican and republican leaning independence, say trump is their choice to lead the twenty twenty four ticket that
is down six percent from appall taken last month, but still
anyone points higher than florida, governor Rhonda Desantis, who is in second place forward
president, my pants and former eu and ambassador Nicky Hayley round out the top floor with no other candidate pulling above five percent,
the pole, also shows trumps. Favorability braiding has fallen ten points among rocks.
Why can since last month, from seventy
ten percent to sixty seven percent? Additionally, twenty seven percent-
say they have an unfavourable view of the former president compared to eighteen percent.
in may, among all americans, fifty nine percent say trump should end his twenty twenty four. Can
hey now that he has been federally charged. That number
is much higher at eighty five percent
none republican voters and finally, fifty five percent of americans say the former president broke the law.
with his mishandling of classified documents, while another thirty percent say his?
actions were unethical, but not illegal, and I want to know what those people are
tromp himself says he broke the law like him
saying it with his words and they still can't get there, which is hard to understand what was let's go through. These numbers are pretty devastated numbers for donald trump, and you know, maybe
up when everything who knows
we got a long way to go, but John ireland have been set,
for some time with people discounting to sadness and the entire public unfilled,
We have a long way to go at this point when the chauffeur started in two thousand. Seven people were talking about Hillary Clinton running again
rudy, giuliani, law
way to go. At this point: a nineteen seventy nine Jimmy carter.
was losing to TED Kennedy getting about one
the democratic vote to ted kennedys to third, the democratic that long way to go? But let's just get through this
For a second lesson
Two percent of republicans now, according to this paul support, Donald trump,
in the primary. This is a guy. Obviously, former present united states lesson. Fifty percent, one third of
we can now say one out of three republican say David, unfair,
more view of donald trump, sir.
in ten americans, say about six and ten american say he should get out of the race right now and when we talk about, but fifty four
percent of all americans say he broke the law, but but but when, but but when we
got the hard core geo p base. We look it Democrats independence.
swing. Voters the people are going to decide this election. Eighty five,
set of american, say here
get out of the race right now and what I would call
that is that this bags is.
what the hell are you,
Look converters thinking that want to
when the white house back in twenty twenty four.
well joe. What are they thinking? I think- and I learned at large and and growing number of them are thinking. How do we go
out of this
kinda? This is the the connect
between these two sets of polling. You really
to think of them as different things. There we're! Yes, you when I return of all the time you know you got this nomination
I then that the general election we are all familiar with down from vulnerabilities as a general election candidates. Those are growing and they have now apparently we're sorry to see some connection
in the two their separate, but their connected. You now have some
substantial, not yet a majority of republican voters, but a substantial number of them. Who are that? That was the thing that people saw before
the raided marilla go back last year, people who are getting from fatigue
we're saying you know, keys the loser, given a gold watch, what sphere
some way to tell this man he he did make america great again and
im about to send him off to his right to a happy retirement, I'm sorry about how republic about
looked at him. Then they rallied around him ever since then
now it seems like they're starting to see some signs in this republic of fight where the
third, the prior dynamic is kicking in and republicans
we want to win? Not again,
not all them the base is still incredibly well. The trumpet still I'll, say again. The most powerful person in our politics is that the way
the intensity of people love trump, that's enough to make him up for
of all in an age of nomination fight, but the numbers are starting to show some sign
of where and sums
in some signs of cracking around the around the his support in the party and that's critics of openings, some of his rivals well
and sam sign to numbers here that, if I were Tromp,
be very concerned about I mean if I were tromp would be much more concerned about. I spend the rest of my life in jail police
I I'm serious about that politically and to two
and that is-
Geraghty of Republicans do not want donald trump
there are now many he's ease,
Is under the fifty percent mark for people who say
el support him
it's a majority of republicans. Don't want him as their nominee.
Majority of americans. Fifty five percent.
say the guy committed crimes.
Stu numbers are very hard to get around if your donald trump, the biggest
what we're gonna see most likely we're gonna, see new jersey indictments coming we're going to see georgia indictments coming we're going to
probably see the january sixth indictments coming and they're just going
stack on top of each other year or so
I know we've been there's two things that can be true here. One is: we've been down this road before, where, in the wake of an immediate scandal involving trump, we see a dip in his poll. Numbers, including among republicans, has happened, for instance, after the access hollywood tape. This has happened, for instance, after the inch peach mints. This happened, for instance, after january six, and then inevitably a text backup over
I'm so that's true. They suddenly
is that this could be a very unique circumstance for all the reasons that you just pointed to, which is this legal trouble that he found himself in by definition,
it's not going where he still has to go too far.
There will still be days were he's in court. Were evidence is being presented against him?
It's not even the extent of his legal trouble that we know that there are two at least to cases in which we can see subsequent
diamond. So this has the me
The issue here is not simply that he's being hurt by this and diamond and said this is a continuous new cycle that could keep
his pole number is down and trending downward form,
still, even with all this. As you know, immunity
one point we nationally to scientists and yes, the majority
friends, maybe don't want to seem nominee, but you
need to win state delegates in their public and private, you need to be the one who wins the state in order to get all the delegates, and we
been down this road before and twenty sixteen and that's the buying. The republicans earn right now is that they may not like the guy there.
I want to get rid of the guy, but enough
may just be fine with it that they're bound to the man
remix a really good point there about how this is nice story? That's going to go away. There is not only just more indictments likely on the horizon from all the reporting that we know, but that there are going to be court dates, they're going to be appearing
since this is not sufficient to shrug off now can trump, as he is,
before able to use that as a rallying point four republicans possibly, but it also could be
show me get, this is the moment where that republicans hoo, who light tromp, who have voted for him once probably twice before, but really just want to win
and I feel like hey. This is something that even if they feel like these are which hunting that they feel like these are unfair prosecutions. They have to look at this and go. This is not going to help him
next year, those independence swing. Voters, suburban women, that the beat the voters
actually decide elections.
These indictments we're going to help trumps case with them. They are simply not so if it's not trump, who
It I mean we are seeing this portion. We noted no rise there for
santos whatsoever, not
They did. The launch there has not gone particularly well,
it's an inhaler both of a smidge. Just a smidge. Now we're a my off there's time for those numbers to grow
but at least so far, even tropic, showing a little wobble but doesn't
If anyone else really seizing the moment, lawyers like it
the wobble worse, a number of well known, conservatives are expressing surprise and shock over former president donald trump.
time interview on fox news this week, in which he d
down on his handling of nuclear secrets? After leaving the white house during the interview? Trump defended himself against that
one diamond brought by special council jack's myths, spelling out thirty seven counts against tromp, with
trial date now said four august fourteenth conservative radio
and blogger. Eric ericsson, tweeted quote guys trump admitted on tv tonight.
Withheld documents from the grand jury game over
legally what an idiot
show host ed morrissey tweeted the first rule of federal indictment club. Is you don't talk about your case
the second rule of federal indictment club- is really don't do this trump just
minute obstruction on national television, frequent legal commentator, front box, newest jonathan Turley, tweeted bread bear
doktor an extraordinary interview with donald trump who discuss the prison
allegations in detail statements of this kind.
are generally admissible at trial and hears what formerly
There's a governor and current republican presidential candidate, Chris Christie, had to say
problem for donald trump at all of this is his own conduct. She's
worst enemy
if this were to happen to him or to the country. If you just returned the talking
It appears to me last I as a
or prosecutor that here
he admitted obstruction of
does on the air last I too bread bear. I could say that
his lawyers sorting are jumping out of whatever window there near quicktime now and and-
that's the thing. You can always a witch hunt when you admit to doing it well, when you admit to doing it and will also. This is a good thing. We wait. We are looking at erics Eric.
erick Erickson Ed, morrissey, Jonathan Turley, Andy Mccarthy,
The mash you you, you ve got a group of of coins,
of commentators who have either been protocol or anti anti
and drop during donald trump rain, and
these in this
lord conservative media construct.
There are a lot of people that are hearing for the first time. Donald trump is guilty donald.
Abs admitted to obstruction of justice. Donald trump is toes.
Said one donald trump.
any mccarthy's. Dungeon. There's no defence. In this case you just made it worse and every time it
easy. John. We all
We all know we as no discipline but Eric
every time. He goes on the air, he he
moves himself, one step closer to prison.
I mean the way it is
immunity, as indeed we hadn't done this concern
Can we really sense the fbi
Marilla go he's really. This is a consistent pattern of his he more or less has been. Has added. Didn't
biggest point earlier heat he could.
Here's to maintain the things that he's admitting to or not illegal, and this is where the cognitive dissonance comes in for trompe, basically sort of has this view somehow, contrary to everybody else, is ever read, though the statutes involved or understands the war that aside
If your present, you can do what you want out.
A star. You can do anything your present, you can do anything you bout! You can, though you did
and substantiation of the documents. If you think that their decline
in your head, they become declassified and they basically
is his boxes, his documents,
the other imo rules that apply to have this is how he thinks, but from
standpoint devastating and again your point of conservative lawyers who have stood up for trump and almost
every instance are now look.
have been saying, do ha yours,
your dig in this whole. So deep
If you, with all the help of the world, you're, not gonna, be able to get out of it legally, I will say that politically, you know. If you want
the counter case the counter cases. Twenty sixteen a split republican field. You don't need fifty percent,
to satisfy its point. You don't need, if it were said to win a winner, takes all our belgian primary donald trump, rarely one fifty percent baggage ways extended until the very end of rain and primaries a split republican field. The trunk base looks at all of these talking heads and says they're brine
They don't believe they, the fox news, is now liberal. They dismissed at all and can trump
in order to win the control when a republican nomination, fight with a split field
poor forty per
out of the republican party or not,
He will that they'll be able maintain that maybe it'll all dissolve over the next few months, but that
winnable raised over donald trump if he can keep his forty percent, who laughed at
had Morris's and Eric Erikson's and job in terms of the world, they do say we're watching
no matter what you can?
but look at our fight trump prevent dwayne. Sixteen, you didn't exactly that way rubbing
sam sign
we're talking about something really bigger than a republican primary contest.
we're talking about Donald
pending case and his freedom
our whether an ex president is going to jail, because why
He does may hold a mine,
already of republicans together supporting em, but he's not only prove ii as again
Eric ericsson, morrissey, Jonathan Turley, any mccarthy bob bill,
bar you name, Chris Christie, you go down the list
he's not only proving that committed the actions he's on tape.
during the in tat,
why he's doing this? This is,
this case
open and shut, the only thing trump can hope for is
during all. If occasion this case, if you just look at trumps own words
If the said is, as all these other conservatives have said, open and shut
case against him,
well now you're wrong. There's a statute that says you don't have to comply subpoena. If your documents are intermingled with golf, shoes and shoes knew that that it that is so
These legal commentators need to go back to school and study law. Now it's
it's pretty damning that yes, esa. If I were larger
now. This is this is classic current bright. He speaks and causes more trouble himself and it's almost like
kind of like fake it till you make it type of attitude about the law. Events.
We'll catch up to you. I would
to with one thing, I don't think the only and game here is during application. I think
gives an end game. I think the other and game is to just draw out until you are elected again figure how you make it and then
give yourself a partner, I'm game, that we need more
talking about this as if at some form of political strategy, which I think in
of itself really
as underscore the sort of
craziness the seriousness of the times that we are in and which we
could very well in fact, will likely have
a leading presidential canning one of two people in line for the presidency, who could?
the jail, and it's really sort of a race between the justice system and our politics to see what
one comes first, that's nuts,
and a the mere there's, the political events, because Donald trump seems to have no defence legally, the political defense seems to be the gene
carville. Look over there
look over. There look at the bird look at the bird anyway,
its Hillary Clinton, which of course, Donald trump justice department refused the prosecutor for four years in a row because they said there was nothing to
secured her over Donald trump justice department. By the way, and now
on the hunter by and I saw
I saw on way too early. I saw your tim scott clip and we're going to talk about this a lot more in the next segment, but I saw your tim's tim scott clip where he's thanking god for chuck
Lastly, a guy who mom gomer a guy you mumbled on television year? Well, we
when suggesting that there's nothing in the teacher, the dark when she's. Well, we don't care whether
thing wrong or not. You talk about a witch hunt
that is where guy goes. We're going
after him, and it does it matter whether he did anything wrong or not, and then you get
calmer, where the wall street journal editorial page says what a smoke no fire and that's what it again
It did one after another. After another of these investigations, lot of smoke, no fire and any
This is what they're saying what they're doing in hopes of distracting distracting from of expressed.
stealing nuclear secrets
an ex president, stealing nuclear cigarettes, who also could be facing several more indictments before the summer, is out
senator Scott also thanked he thank god for congressmen. Comber too, who admitted
they put the point of the investigation, was to bring present, binds pull numbers down. Who then admitted they lost track of the whistle blower and other witnesses, carbon who probably may not have even
Insistent are certainly not any credible, had a crew of credible story to tell, but it is its purely a
it's what about isn't at the highest level here to try to point
hunter Biden case which we're gonna talk about in just a few minutes and try to use that to shift focus away from
tapping donald trump, the two tier system of joy
as we're gonna hear that non stop for weeks and months ahead. Here
it's a distraction, but it also potentially dangerous one because centre scott in that clip, say
if he says he worked to be elected president, he would write me
an investigation from the white house simply from the department of justice or no line between white house and deo J and Scott administration to investigate president Biden.
Families. We right now this it's a threat here it is
wrapped wherein new place where we have already one candidate donald.
he's. He's in promising is make us said issues watching the club, Kim's, god is
It is literally saying
promise to weapon if elected. Yes, still, yes, still justice eyes, the justice department and I'm gonna be the one doing it yet that is,
these points that are right out there. What the republicans are accusing the
administration of doing the weapon, as of government would during at work that they thought the deep state did against trump when he was
he's plan out saying: he'll do it. That is a dangerous, dangerous promised there, and we have right now don t,
of course, already under investigation. I have republican, saying they'll. Do the same they're flat out, saying it to binding,
family, a distress
true, but it's a scary one. We shouldn't lose sight of it. Yes, it is
Still I had on morning, Joe speaker, cabin mccarthy is calling hunter binds play deal a sweetheart deal, but it was
proved via trump pointed judge, will show the moment he was pressed on that
plus I will show you how, as donald trump once the death penalty for drug dealers but fails to realise it would apply to a woman that he pardoned we'll play you
exchanges on her out, or does he want to execute? I don't think he knows. I'm really can view play that exchange from his interview with fox news and we'll get alive report from beijing on China s reaction to president Biden.
Lying changing paying a dictator
watching morning Joe, we
we'll be right back.
We cannot be the same.
On the hill? If we were not first,
a nation of law and justice
we read in syria male. We cannot fulfil our destination destiny as america,
Do not have the lady of joy
this wearing a blindfold,
we all have to be treated equally and the laws of our country. I would advise you that way with. We need, thank god for sooner gradually incomes.
Comber for doing their job failure. They can't finish their investigation. President
Scott will finish.
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I pass passe our overnight. We learned of a new development and they missing titanic submersible. According to the. U s: coastguard: a canadian mill,
Harry aircraft quote detected underwater noises in this
jerry. I late last night indicate,
that the vessel may be near by the coastguard did not say
by the nature of the noises, but search efforts are now relocating closer to the area where they were heard. However, the time for rescue efforts
is running out its estimated the vessel has less than twenty five.
the outcome of oxygen left for the five passengers who left a tool,
the titanic's wreckage on sunday morning, we're gonna get along
in depth report from embassies Tom Castello in the next hour
of mourning challenge Jonathan mere. I may I did the times articles this morning and last night, just devastating on ocean gate. One expert
after another told the owner,
This was a dangerous dangerous vessels.
That they needed to go through safety regulations that needed to be certified and the
reviews, time and time again
headlines here ocean gate, the company that operates the vessel was warned of potentially catastrophic problems and
we say is at times pointed out,
those warnings were killed.
unanimous from exports.
Somebody else said you drop like a stone for two and a half hours
passenger on a prior trip to the titanic. Reckless does
quite seem too to tibet,
I job and describe the scale of irresponsibility here
There are the owner there's been reporting. Therefore,
Employee raise concerns. He was dismissed
doing so, there's been questions raised about the quality of the equipment in the parks. Mate
the submersible is, is composed of anna
can't be said enough. Just to the risk that is so deep where the war
The water pressure is so intense.
producers are so called that even this,
smallest of failures and end with the engineers have been talking about. This
and posting about, the smallest of failures would lead to spatially instant death for everyone on board, because two years
deep down, thereby the titanic. So we obviously
hoping for a miracle here, but it as
Could just noted that
is really running out in terms of the
supply
no the status of anything else or that equipment, whether it's got power. What's the temperature like what are they have in terms of other supplies? It you know it is,
The sounds- maybe that is a clue, made
that the targeting the search will lead to to success.
But it is, it is dire time.
certainly Joe,
We are with lots of questions raised about what went wrong here.
and, as we said next hour, we'll get a fall in depth report from NBC bc. Tom Castelo on this developing story were learning
new details about the plea deal reached between the department of justice, prosecutors and hunter Biden present
Biden son will plead guilty too
two misdemeanor chat tax charges and avoid prosecution on a separate felony gun,
section charge
allowing him to avoid any prison time to sort
is familiar with the agreement on basic news. The deal includes a provision in which the EU
The journey has agreed to recommend probation for the tax violations. Legal experts say that federal
on charges a rarely used statute that makes it illegal
for someone addicted to drugs to possess a weapon. This is the first time the justice department has brought.
charges against a child of the sitting. President. The charges
against hunter Biden are the result of a fire
the investigation by federal prosecutors and everybody. I agents and I are rest officials
investigation was led by the? U s attorney for delaware, David wise,
who is it who pointed up? He was appointed by former president donald trump wait. Most use attorneys are moved on after new president comes and analyses. Are you saying that Joe Biden kept this tromp appointed
Yes, always men was appointed by donald trump and then her method of vice president Biden to remain in office a totally only in order to continue the probe highly only talk about full transparency and attack.
Four hunter Biden issued. A statement to NBC news rating in part quote with the announcement of two agreements between
client hunter Biden than the united states attorney's office for the district of delaware?
it is my understanding that the five year investigation into hunter is resolved
However, whilst his office stated yesterday that deed
education is
go before we before we continue jonathan
and before we hear that the total stupidity by republic
just lying through their teeth about crimes in the buying crying family. Mostly,
almost legal experts. I talk to hear
So we have a very dialectical response to this
and a very dialectical analysis, they say it is
name, we're not by these charges.
I have never been bright that sad. At the same time,
at the same time
if his last name was not by the
media would not have been as generous and by the way. This is simply delay basically offered hotter,
are the hunters people offered.
the feds eighteen months ago, and based on on my reporting.
and so is very
interesting feds what abroad
His charge against somebody's lasting was not buying at this
try again
We go and was think the feds do
you may have been more generous because his last statements by accident,
Also, I've heard Joe, and I god knows there are moments when often we over the course of the last few years have since Donald trump came to office and and subsequently we've all those
we're not worse than say that even so,
country lawyers like yourself a brand to pretend to be where's, argue legal analysis. This is one where I've
The wide variety of things from a wide variety of lawyers is obviously a whole. They not ideological bar people.
have a difference of opinion about the nature of this
It is certainly the case. The first part of that dialogue goal is,
yet what here all the time, which is that
no, no aspect of this case was likely to be
let alone pursued to this.
less degree, if it weren't for the fact that that powder by
was named Biden and again. I think that you can't be said enough times when you listen to people like a cat, mccarthy and others talking about the
two tier system of justice and the double standard you just like. You just want to say tat the outer here's, this here's, this trump appointed
a prosecutor who was captured office by Joe Biden, something that that diatribe wouldn't
ever have died. In similar circumstances. Can you imagine, can you imagine a bomb appointed prosecutor looking into one of the trump kids when
trouble one. The presidency interim say you know what, for both
is about substance, substantive perception, I'm gonna, leave this obama appointed prosecutor and look at dawn junior.
As I just want to make sure that everyone has full faith in the legal system and not being politicized its meets at night?
hallucinatory fancied. I could ever happen in a thousand years.
I did, and now all of these same relegates who want to take this up. Do
figure out some way to pivotal
from doll trumps legal was there
because, on this and say I got to tier, are of justice, he got a sweetheart deal in your like guys, I mean you're, just you just sound like morons, when you say
say these things. You might say a lot about not that
add to that how men just putting out their vodka and cherith- I worked in the wind,
ass? They worked
four down on buildings,
have come in from saudi? There are so many quite agrees
kids. Do we even worse
to talk about kids. You know the thing is if, if these, these same republican decided and its impact ragman complaining, when a vodkas vodka got things, trade nor in china should get licences in china did cell so
around the country campaigning
when she got while it's true that, let me finish the Senate
cash you get licences in china to sell her, go
it's around this same time. Donald trump was meeting with president shea
and Jared
a guy, I communicated with an awful lot two billion dollars
cars from the saudis,
two billion dollars? And again I mean to a lot of money
said much about it here: a lot
money
and I'm just saying, if republicans, if republicans
are going to say this about hundred by then
There is the other side of this when they start talking about illegal influence
paddling. Can sam sty well first, that IRAN, Iraq, hairs out report,
guns, humiliation. I'm sorry, you re playing play saying, quotes sweetheart deal from the justice department that includes house baker. Kevin Mccarthy who was pressed by
rapporteur on the fact that it was a trump appointed. U s attorney, who made
charging decision? Take a lesson
continues to show the two tier system in america? If you are the president's leading political opponent, deal Jake, tries to literally put you in jail and give you a prison term. If you are the president's son, you get a sweetheart deal, MR speaker, this is a trump appointed us attorney that was held over into this administration. Why won't you accept? It's done a thorough investigation into just accepted on it's merits, given the person who invest a thorough investigation. So I'm asking you what I'm asking you so you believe it's a thoroughly imagined he he
of course he can answer this question earlier this month,
Turning David, why sent a letter republican conscience, jim during the chairman of the judiciary committee
wise wrote that he'd been granted quote granted ultimate authority over the turbine case by two.
general merit, garland bad included, is wise, put it responsibility for deciding when, where and whether to filed charges against them.
President Santer Zahm stein again for people who don't
Don't understand this
don't understand how it works eyes. As John said, it is remarkable that Joe Biden allow
this guy to hold over something donald trump would never do
It's also remarkable. I mean tim sky
in front of an audience that late,
Justice must be blindfolded. I'm sitting there thinking yell at which we must take.
People the same. These are the same people
that overwhelmingly support donald trump being able to still nuclear secrets and and and want to define
the fbi, but caused
I went to retrieve
Some of the most important sensitive classified documents, the? U S, government has and very lecturing
jump scott,
lecturing us
lecturing the eighty five percent of americans, who think donald trump should even one for office because
stole lake nuclear secrets,
I mean. So I think it is helpful to understand where the problems are come from bite to understand what they
in saying about hunter binding and what they ve been in?
forgetting about hundred but because they are complaining, a couple things here for about a year
Half now republicans on the hill, I've been insist
that hundred violence, private business dealings, worse
eagerly an attempt for him to enrich his father
hundred martin was not investigated by David weiss for those business dealings. Use investigated for tat.
Avoidance any legal owning about firearm.
for those allegations. He was
you know he plucked guilty in what I think extensively. If you ask any legal expert was
fair resolution to that case. Boat house Republican are talking about the terrifying about.
Totally different
I have issues that they want to conflate into one big scandals. That's why you have Kevin Mccarthy,
there's coming out saying: how could they let him off while they let him off, because the
crimes that they were looking at. The allegations are looking into we're, not what the
I wanted to look into. I think the bigger issue, though
as you have a situation in which congressional
begins, are saying we need. I justice, blind justice
there cannot be a teacher system and you
leading presidential candidates, Donald trump and our tim, Scott and two degree rhonda santa's taken
a stance that says the executive branch overs.
Is the justice department and therefore can instruct the justice department to explicitly investigate the president's enemies
his opponents and turns over down from what I said
wants to appoint a special council to investigate Joe Biden tim Scott
alluded strongly to doing the same. In that put that wish we saw there
I was advocating for blind justice, but they want blind justice applied in this case
Well, then, something is again none of them protein.
In two weeks before the twenty twenty presidential election wendy
tromp ordered his attorney general to arrest Joe Biden and Joe Biden family. I read nothing. Nothing ever happened like that before a marrow.
in history, where a sitting president is behind in the polls
orders, his attorney general to arrest his opponent and his opponents
we in Jonathan wellmere cat under
enough can under,
that enough. So what
If the opinion page said a lot of
here now
fire. We keep hearing about
audio tapes and then we
there's nothing on audio tapes com. We're keeps I mean, is it it is
fortunately, unfortunately
This term has been over used way too much. Maybe we
even over you sit here but
this is straight out of Joe Mccarthy's play. Have this?
mccarthyism where you
wine. One unsubstantiated charge after another. After another up against the wall- and we can take through every one and end and people who have been
especially critical of the media's response to this even admit
impressed.
or no crimes year could their men and
the goal. Bagger sure sure
hundred binding have flown on air for
two when it was going over to china to make business deal. No, I'm not
oh baby or you can
we can have a debate about that and then compare
do what donald trump did. Compare that
what other presidents dead, but again
Nobody's come forward with a crime, it is all smoke now
fire and a hell of a lot of mccarthyism here and to your point
members of the the Biden inner circles in the present close advisers who do acknowledge yes, hunter by made some very poor decisions in in
recent years, but he has not been shot.
Criminally there's. Nothing has been found to be legal with those poor decisions, and he did plead guilty to this matter to the taxes, but didn't
sam's point, this isn't going anywhere they'll, because these are on substantial allegations in many ways disconnected from reality. The republicans have see
parliament may and a their audience now, four years this started in twenty twenty,
they pride their audience in the years that that hunter Biden is the linchpin of the Biden, crime, family and there's all these allegations unsubstantiated about corruption and the like, and they feel like. They need to
liver and that the house committing what they're saying is crack attic. Guy who's been a crack attic
is the master mine behind
incredible international
crime, rain,
There is some now goes all the way to the oval office and they ve been investigating him for years. They can
and I asked they can off the record. They can't on the record they can
aim, one crime that was committed they sell. We think that beyond might have a oh. We might have something over here and weather.
its gradually having to say I don't
or whether he's guilty or not. I don't care whether he's done anything wrong or not. Basically,
still going to conduct this mccarthy
investigation are whether its calmer coming up time in time
time again Andy it's, it's a joke
She always the crime was
the crime will report
the crime here every morning, yeah it's pure politics, and they.
suggesting the two masterminds are someone register drownded.
Who is admitted that he's a son,
the serious problem or Joe Biden, who Republicans paint as being daft and unable to walk across the stage. So, though, that's that's the charge is here
it is mine and he is exactly as crime syndicates so but its did. They're gonna they're going to seize on this there them they're gonna stay with it, and what are we live with this hundred miles smoke for years to come,
just note by reporting about respond.
Inside the white house, obviously will relief from president Biden and his family that this matter is, but
and senior bind advisers have always been
far more worried about the personal toll this has taken on the president.
more so than any political one, as even as they acknowledge. Of course, the politics going with us- and we deal did hear from the president very briefly yesterday out in california, saying simply that he was proud of his son.
so let's bring in congressional investigations reporter for the watch and impose jackie alimony and justice department rapporteur for the new york times, katy banner jack,
of two pieces out this morning. The first one looks at the geo
whistle blowers on the Biden family and who they are
meta. We were trying to sort of just give our readers or a lay of the land
in terms of all of these accusations that republicans have been hurling at the the bite in family. We were sort of prepared for this kind of response,
regardless of whatever charges David Weiss ended up pursuing again
hunter or whether or not there is going to be a plea deal. I think. Initially, we had sort of figured that the rallying cry would largely be that you know the hunter, the
the attorney general from miss the boat and was not able to actually cut to the substance,
of these alleged pay for players were now seeing this message of a sweetheart deal there being to tears of justice, but I think, as this goes on we're going to continue to see people like Jim Jordan and james comer try to continue to muddy the waters despite having no
or any anything, substantiated, connecting Joe Biden to sort of any legal activity. Nevertheless, there are a host of whistle blowers. People whom Democrats are accusing of exploiting this whistle blower status, who continue to occur
to have drawn on the violence
katy. We said before that some legal experts I've been talking to
I offered sort of a dialectical analysis that if his last name wasn't Biden, the charges would never have been brought, but also that last name of Biden may have provided him a better deal than a lot of other people would get.
but reading your story and looking at
reporting
tire hotter by an episode require
style, dialectical thinking, because, as you say, it doesn't get
either side then narrative. They want
absolutely I mean when you look at this investigation. It took five years. It began multiple attorneys general ago, and it's something that was also started in multiple districts across the country. Finally,
David in
aware.
Single possible. Led was run down by this attribute s attorney who, as you have pointed out several times, was appointed under
don't trumps administration and that included national national security investigation possible farrah violations of possible money laundering. Violations from you know, look close
it has dealings with countries like china and even though
can all agree that some of this behaviour doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem more. All that does not necessarily mean that it rises to the level of a climate of a criminal
It doesn't violate a federal statue and so, in the end, what wise found after turning over all of these rocks,
charges that we see her today ones it reporters have been anticipating for awhile,
its home here, and I have a very good, very clear and straightforward question, which is there seems to be some
that would arise where yesterday said that he didn't anticipate that
the you didn't anticipate further charges would have made this deal if he thought there was any chance that we further charges coming, why
Reporting say about the weather, that's whether he's on
a ground. There is some chance that this thing,
It's still result in further charges down the ladder. Is this really, at least with this,
I is done matter. What unites somewhat boiler
For you, ass attorneys in their press releases to say that this is an ongoing investigation and an ongoing investigation does not necessarily mean that its an ongoing investigation, just a hunter bite and keep in mind, like I have mentioned before its five year- investigation that had so many tentacles, it's possible that some of these are still being wrapped up and then they might be
other people and hunter violence, or that jackets
sam stein. Here you know, there's too,
history. This from the vantage point of house republicans one: is there furious right there too,
justice system of their bemoaning has come
version. The other. One, though, is that this, my
and up some avenues for them. They had been deprived
potentially of evidence or documents that they wanted to gather
the binding, because this ongoing d, J investigation
What's your read on whether this itself,
it's their investigations frustrates them, and what's the next year, look like
respect to those investigations get him
it's a really good point and in terms of the momentum of one these charges are arriving. Unfortunately, it is coming at a time where congresses largely focused I'm getting out of town and taking their summer recess, so I actually think we're going to see republican furtive recalibrate and redirect there there investigative focus, but I think going forward. They could focus on this one whistle blower in particular, who has been largely credible, especially in comparison to the other whistle blowers that that the house republicans have tat.
so far- and this is someone named Gary sharply- who has been fairly public so far about his claim,
was. He was someone who worked in the I r s and was a supervisory agent of the iris side of the hunter Biden investigation. He testified before the house ways and means committee in a closed door. Hearing with republicans and Democrats, we have
not yet seen the results of that interviewer, any additional claims made by sharply, but the fact that this investigation is is now but on its way to parent
closing means that shabbily could potentially speak further and maybe go public by their before congress
in some other venue to continue to air some of what she viewed as unethical
and practices that were not in line with
wow, normal investigations would would go, but I think that there are a number of other targets like potentially going after finally impeaching department of homeland security secretarial. A hundred my org is that the geo is now I m going forward. Justice department report
for the new york times katy banner. Thank you very much for your reporting this morning and congressional investigations reporter for the washington
jackie alimony? Thank you as well
coming off. One morning, Joe president Biden escalates tensions with china. By calling for
then changing paying a dictator NBC is Janice
you re or joins us live from beijing with china's response to that will be right,
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and walking about your morning, Joe. It is sixty seven, a beautiful look at that
I'd has this morning, and I don't know
some aids inside that a white house asking why afterwards
We got a meeting
She job. I
would call him a dictator to happen the next day. I, yes, we shouldn ass cover meeting
ok, china, here responding china
responding to mark this morning. After president Biden yesterday called the chinese president. A dictator Biden was addressing a crowded, a fundraiser in california, and
talking about the spy balloon incident from February when NBC news reports, he said, quote the ring
and why she shrank ping got very upset in terms of
I shot down that balloon with two box car is full of spy equipment.
as he didn't know it was there. He added that's a great embarrassment for dictator.
When they didn't know what happened
when spring or now, uneasiness born. It corresponded jazz, maggie freight,
I from beijing, janis unsure you're, going to be able to explain to us this morning
at present the united states called the present she a dictator, just
where's after we finally get that leading between anthony blinkin at present jake. It's the difference a day,
makes in this complicated view as china relationship chinese officials are outraged. They are incensed. I cannot recall a statement from the ministry.
foreign affairs here that was so sharply worded. They are used.
Words like extremely absurd, irresponsible, provocative and a violation of political dignity.
what's curious, though, is that none of this is resonating on chinese social media, because the word dictator is not one that typically allowed pass the sensors. So what we have seen no is ass spike
in the hashtag topic Biden. Son pleads guilty that has emerged
stunned chinese social media this afternoon, as a reaction of the mood there,
is a lot of concern for where this leaves the diplomatic mission by secretary blinkin. It happened.
Literally twenty four hours later,
I sat down with secretary blinking and after he had met with she Jim paying, and he felt like relations were in a better place that they were
at least stabilize, so that they could push floored on
issues and try to make some progress. This is
also going to create some discussion there
You ass among critics of the white house who had said that the binding administration
peer to be delaying
citizens like export bans or covered
origins, intel tell aid in order to keep the visit on track to not have it go off the rails. That was something that I put to secretary blinkin. When I spoke with him what he would say to those,
critics, here's what he said. What are you
The critics, who argue that newport punches in matrix
slag delaying exe
controls or a covert origins in tell in order to keep this trick on track. I say that quite simply wrong: we don't pull any punches.
And I certainly didn't pull any punches with her
with our chinese counterparts. I think if you look
actions that we ve taken it. Sir
it's hard to to make their case and interactive useless
to our chinese counterparts. They're saying exactly the opposite. Complaining about many of the actions that we
can because its necessary to advance our our national interests, but it would be
hopefully irresponsible not to engage with china
if we're not engaging, it makes it that much more difficult to make sure that,
the competition were in doesnt fear into conflict, so the next twenty four hours I could mean just is interesting, because the visit by secretary lincoln was seen here among chinese officials as the necessary one to get to the ones they really want to achieve. With the calmer secretary of the treasury secretary, they are,
acted to visit here in the next weeks. These are the people who can hold the substantial discussions on the economy. They are the gatekeepers on export bans on restrictions on technology, but these are the sort of measures that china is looking
to. Try to shore up its economy with so much evidence pointing to the fact that its slowing down so whether it will
he just more words exchange tat over the next twenty four hours, as always remains to be seen.
So this is obviously an extraordinarily complicated relationship with the one thing that you that I think most international observers,
stand is whether they like
Each other, not boats,
we need each other and whether china likes what Joe Biden said.
Even though its causing a lot of confusion, even here in the united states, that
We say today after blankets visit the fact is
economy is sputtering over twenty percent of young chinese are out of work and data
Having had the bounced back ever after code that everybody was expecting and as
you talked about before they, they great america
business, men and women as
his long lost friends. The red carpet is rolled out because they desperately need western investment. Talk about that.
see it in a comparison of the treatment between secretary blinking and lets, say
bill gates who was here last friday when secretary blank and arrived at the airport, he was greeted by the: u s ambassador and a fairly high ranking chinese official, but there was no carpet. There is no pageantry. The meetings that he had with his chinese counterparts over the next couple of days were very warm. If you look at the redoubt, the words were actually quite harsh, as secretary lincoln, for all intents and purposes, sat there and took his request
to have the defence lines of communication restored, was rejected by chinese officials, because
You are still has sanctions on china's defence minister. Then it wasn't until an hour before the meeting actually happened was she jumping
that anybody knew of the meeting was going to happen with sheets in paying. So there was this sense that may be either
both sides were waiting to see how things went before there was the agreement that he would sit down? Was she jumping for thirty five minutes she Jim Pang, at the head of the table?
secretary blinkin off to the side at a reasonable distance. The chair a little bit lower. You contrast that, with the treatment for bill
aids who was here last friday, it was a fire.
Side chat with she Jim paying an inordinate wooden share with the beautiful background- and there was a warped there that just didn't exist with the secretary of state aid. It shows that the diplomatic peace and the economic peace are two entirely different things here. Chinese officials, real,
need to shore up the economy. There is every indication that the growth
has sat that defined modern china over decades
is slowing down and there are no quick fixes sore pages from the old playbook to try to get it back, so they are looking for some relief they're. Looking for foreign investment
at a time when there are also intensifying some of the laws and the scrutiny for foreign businesses here. So it's a very, very tricky position, for
These individuals on how they plague the diplomatic part at the EU us relationship because they so badly need the economic one great cunt
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