The new legal systems off the rails when it comes to give a response to present tramping found little sexual abuse It's a small sample of the republican reaction to the verdict in Donald trump civil rape trial a new year Jury found him liable. for sexual abuse ordering him to pay five million dollars to writer or aging carol. We have legal, analysis on the case and more reaction from capitol hill straight and also I had a high stakes meeting on the debt sale lives up to the low expectations. Everyone predicted well look at what could come next, as both sides have small window

hammer out a deal plus it appears george santos, lies and questionable. Financial claims are finally catching up to him, as he is now, reportedly facing federal charges and we'll get along Apart from EL paso taxes, on how the Biden administration is preparing for the end of a pandemic, related immigration restriction good morning and well, morning. Job is Wednesday may ten, along with Joe lay and may we have the host of weight to early what has been achieved. The politico jonathan le Maire, former white house, can a director of communication to president obama Jen bomb Mary she's co host of show times the circus. Attorney and contributing calmness for the Washington post. George Conway is with us as well, so it begins donald it is now the first former president to be found liable for sexual abuse, a new york city jury for the civil trial handed down that verdict. Yesterday ordering

to pay five million dollars and damages to writer aging carol. She soon tromp forbad rate, an defamation saying that raped her in a department store in the nineties and then lied about it. Trump has repeatedly denied the other nation the jury ruled there was. enough evidence to prove carol was raped by did agree. She was actually abused by donald trump. They also found trump defend the writer by calling her claims a hoax, send a con job. The jury required to That was required to reach a unanimous verdict and I've already for just under three hours in a statement care explain she file the suit to clear her name, adding quote today. The world finally knows the truth. This victory is not just for me, but for every woman who has suffered because she was not believed. Meanwhile, trump

a tirade after the jury's verdict. Yesterday, making a series of posts on his platform towards social claiming he has never met carol. He also called the judge. You preside. Whatever the case, the clock, terrible person who should have accused himself and vowed to fight the verdict. I don't even know who this woman is. I have no idea who she is where she came from this another scam, its political witch hunt. Somehow we're going to have to fight this? We cannot let our country go into this abyss. This is disgraceful Judge announced lawyer echoed a similar statement. He was now that outside the court have the file lynette island appeal, liars, you're, gonna lie donald trump gonna lie, there's no doubt about it. The thing is really what the gene we found him guilty of is what he admit

doing in the access hollywood, tapes and money reconfirmed in these days, positions that he, if you're, rich you're famous, if a quote star, solving you're allowed to does sexually salt people? He said he did it in that. Hollywood tape so, reconfirm that that that that it's happened for a million years he said, may have done it. I mean they so again, not surprised they came to this verdict, because here Did they admissions at our session were always out there in the deposition with was there, which only reconfirmed Of course, our minority two distracted, because we know that they ve been vacuous for such a long time. They ve been shameful people who were anti american and hate the hate. Rule of law, but you see rob lookin senators, calling in jury of their peers. Yeah, jokes, yeah,

saying that that that's a sham that system add some body that is so went on trump ism, there there were their undermining the bedrock, the bedrock the american judicial system and. Madame sounding democracy. Let me say that again, when report consented recesses, juries and choke the whole cases. A joke is jury. a joke! I sat a witch hunt. That's a jury of donald trumps, peers they are the law. We have always believed they the law. And yet there are a lot of times were juries, come back with verdicts, it maybe we'd agree with, but it's still law and we, run around saying there jokes. It just shows how debased people Marco rubio lindsey gram, whose a lawyer who knows better than he shut no better. He knows better and

Just continues them attacking a jury for doing what donald trump party admitted to doing wide loved to follow up to centre rubio on that tweet. What does he mean? The jury is a joke. It was a jury of civilians who answered I sat and listen to the evidence and decided. Donald trump was liable for sexual assault and defamation. What sense is the jury? A joke? love to know more? We heard from republican congress who said jury of my peers, republican carved jerry, my peers and kind of laughed at off, as if the entire concept the jury of our peers, as you say Joe, which is foundational to our country into our justice system, is somehow a joke. This is it deal. Donald trump has been accused by more a dozen women of sexual abuse of some form, and this is the first time that a court that a jury has firms, those accusations- and it is above the fold in all the new papers here this morning, new york times picture of you. Carroll who, by the way, will be our guest. Shortly. This morning, the wall street journal the deal

news putting it very bluntly here, Joe just calling donald trump ace ex abuser and fine the new york post, says of the five million dollar judgment, grab him by the wallet efforts, of course, to the access hollywood tape. and george conway get focused too much on these people. That is shown here, from ad is sounding democracy for the rule of law? for the vital role that that a jury system place. My wife are all things that we said before. Donald trump was in politics in More damning leader them: these are things They said before Donald trump was in politics, but once done, from gets into politics suddenly they say the hell with the constitution. He can say terminated the hell

the jury system, the hell with federal judges, the hell with rule of law there, literally the these. These lemmings are literally willing to follow him over the cliff and in anti american tirades. I'm curious your thoughts not only that, but also on that of the number of republicans. You said this is a bridge too are: there was quite a those and also what happened yesterday, why the jury came back so quickly Well I mean the jury came back so quickly, because the evidence was essentially overwhelming and unbounded. I mean Donald trump refused. She show up, he had shown up, he would have been destroyed on cross examination, the deposition

stony, as you pointed out, was absolutely devastating, and essentially he said. Oh women have been sexually abused. Four million years, fortunately, are unfortunately mean basely. He saying they're both there. There are good people on both sides of sexual abuse, something that's essentially donald trump position. I mean is that he's a complete sociopath regarding the use of these pathologically lying about about everything that, but denying that he knew eating Carroll, and I think the problem is, and I use with rubio. When you see with all these others is, there been playing along with the call for too long, and you ve got all people out there be around twenty percent or thirty percent of the american public as a whole. Certainly good chunk of the republican bays as basically as basically bunkers itself in two weeks lewd any information at any news, any thoughts that would play

further donald trump is any in any way less than perfect that he that he's a liar you can. They simply cannot accept even the slightest impingement. On that view, because if you do you start real How bad is it all falls apart? There are twenty all women who made these accusations against them. all line, every piece go one of them. You have to believe that the jury was faced with the question of does We gonna believe that that somebody twenty five years ago or thirty years, though cooked up this scheme so that sunday, when Donald trump became a right wing, public in or pretended to become a right wing republican biggest spring. This on him, I mean it was shust, absolutely insane and absurd, but the problem is that you ve got a large pop, but a segment of the population that has lost itself into this insanity. You ve got a television network that basically pay,

seven hundred and eighty seven and a half million dollars to cotton coddle its viewers, so that they don't have views that they they that aid they don't want to hear and then you ve got basically republican, political establishment still most of it not wanting to touch any of this and that Why we are where we are and that's why Donald trump is gonna even he's a single he's. Now a jew kate and sexual abuse or he's gonna get the nomination. Even though he's been indicted in one jurisdiction he's gonna get the nomination, he's probably get me indicted two more times at least between now and never twenty twenty four and he started to get the nomination and that's that and that's going to ultimately end up hurting the republic. party again for a couple more years that something you dog that other network at something that all the other network are you, people like. And he Mccarthy, guy obviously very respected, you'll think, especially among conservatives saying Basically saying this. Is this

too much for tromp it's going to continue and he pulled no punches about factor. This the jury of the peers, the same thing that her aldo sad, Basically, the jury jury. our choice, given the evidence given Donald trump submissions, given the fact he didn't show up in court, given the fact that his deposition make it that you look tat, he saw the whole deposition. Did that that he, just by the time, you're done with that deposition, it's pretty evident. Have the jury's gonna go because way. he's admitted yes, I, yes, says he sexual assault and women because he was a star and then he sat in the opposition and yes, the day you know, that maybe that's a good thing. So again this anybody else. We also, if anyone has anybody else, would have found,

found liable for sexual assault here, snot, not a surprise, What's a surprise, always that rob republicans specially evangelicals are all end with a guy who said wanted to terminate the constitution. Morale The guy who tried to overthrow the results of an election are all in. a guy who sat and stared for hours. The television set taking great great joy and kind Getting the hell beaten out of them in a january sixth riot calling on patriots and and There's a guy who's found guilty are found liable, by age unanimously found libel of sexual assault and these evangelists going to stay with him and gonna get what they deserve. Yeah here are some the republicans that, at your talking about responding, take a look

I think, the newer lethal systems off the rails when it comes to telling the truth what's happening in some of these courtrooms in in Manhattan. I don't even know not going to get into it. Jury of his peers, funding and serious? hey, that's up to meet up my work for somebody else. Does it all work for me, jerry him up is whatever but ass yet that's This is so sexual abuse conviction, basically, and for what twenty five years ago, So this is. This is the problem with these republicans? This is the second is that you're talking about that tromp has Listen through the veins of american society and our politics, especially our politics, and just won't take a moment to put up on a platform and say thank you to aging oh for having the god so many years later, with so much against her to take this case. On and to push it and to take them.

opportunity when the window opened in the law for her to file the civil law suit, because it wasn't ultimately about whether not, she was lying, it's often very hard, but these kids this when something happens behind closed doors with witnesses. So many years later you really wonder gosh. How could this? How could this get anywhere? But you know what it took her. bringing it to trial and bringing the other women who have a bad situation with donald trump, and they set it up, and if these republicans would just watch the deposition. They would say in front of their own eyes the sickness that donald trump has put on this kind but maybe there's your life no hold. I owe the republican you know what I'm going to assume that daddy run on tv, I'm not gonna soon they, they watched the deposition. I'm asking its forty two

minutes or it might be longer, but watch it because you will say it's not about whether or not these women lied. He says he did it and you're. Ok with that europe when, after the jury, a jury of his yours unanimous verdict- and you don't even look The deposition were donald trump says he did it. This is what he does have to understand. This is what it does. He normalizes things that are not normal. He normalizes things that are not okay, he normalizes things that are illegal, it isn't ok. I know it hasn't happened for millions of years. Celebrities don't go up to women and grab their genitals. Ok, then, walk up and do it, and if they do, they should be charged and they should go to jail, or they should be charged in civil law suit and pay millions, which is happening here and in the debt.

Section. Not only has he atrocious and rude the attorneys, but he says straight out: but he did it, but he's normalizing it for you and you can't see it your clinging ever tightly to losing proposition, which has worked so stupid. It's stupid politically, its malpractice doesn't work. You have seen many times over people, don't like insurrections, they love the cost. Petition and they don't like people. was actually assault. Women now and again, If they saw the deposition, they would see that a stirring excess hollywood tape, Donald trump brag about sexual assaulting woman says and in this deposition he said it happens, Maybe it bad- or maybe that's not bad,

and so he is again takes the though access hollywood tape brings it up twenty, twenty three santa. Maybe it's not a bad thing that they donald can sexually abused women and you have republicans assaying get what the jury of my peers gimme a break again: Here's a crazy thing, gin palmary! They didn't talk that way. before donald trump, they didn't talk about, eliminating the constitution before donald trump they didn't talk about over. Owing governments before donald trump, they didn't talk about, throwing out alive, sean's before Donald trump. I say All this to say, these people you talk about owing pearls. It swine day day quote

raises these people Are willing to throw out matter solely in democracy for a fee I have time loser We always already said the count. petitions should be terminated that our election results should be thrown out and that yes He still has the right causes star in his words, to commit sexual abuse against women the continued massive integrity. Downgrade of the republican party started in two thousand. Sixteen continue, seven years later, there is There are some good things that came out of yesterday, though Joe that, even though republicans are ignoring them, we shouldn't bypass. I mean it was an important very delay, the very important repudiation of Donald trump vile actions against women

if he speaks about women? I know just the access hollywood tape, not just you know, there was a dozen women that accused him of abuse, but then there's his words on tape, millions and millions of american women were just dead stated on election day in two thousand, sixteen when too many americans had heard that and said: that's, ok, it's safe. Face of sense to women in america that didn't support him you're, not worth it same as men and to finally have a corpse to have our peers. Former jury repudiate bad. Is it important validation. Just as it matters and has an impact, on politics, when, though, if republicans continue to say, dismiss the charges said. The matter say it's not important, and I think that it will have a political.

impacts as well, though I think you know it didn't end with triumph, and his abuse of women there is so there's a war on women with the reverse of row. That continues as well and women will enable we're here. These words from Republicans see that kind of conviction that came out of new york, and you know it has impact on us. I think it makes you just that more fired up, but makes you just that more skeptical of the republicans that continue to prop him up, so I think it in him will have an in then trumps chances of winning the problem on nation. Probably not will it hurt these republic and that continue to prop problem up. I think that it well, let's hear I'll drop in his own words. This is the deposition. Mika was just talking about when asked by attorneys back in october for each carol about the access. What hears what donald trump said,

And you say it again: this has become very famous in this video. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet just kiss. I dont even weight. And when you are star they let you do it. You can do anything good, by the way you could do anything. That's what you said, colonel historically true with stars, so the stars that think where women by the builders would it's. You look over last million years. I guess that's been largely, do not always but large later unfortunately, a fortune You yourself to be a star I think you can say that you are familiar black and white photograph that with marked as d J t twenty three and I ask you: is this the photo that you were just referring to rethink serious and you will come when you first saw this photo

some point during the process- I, sir, that's, I guess her husband, John Johnson, who was an anchor we say nice guy? I thought I mean I don't know, but I thought he was pretty good at what he did. I don't even know who the woman- let's say I don't know who is marla the models in the photo. Let's marla, this is my wife, which one are you pointing out? here I said you have pointed out. It was always sahara. Hooja cruisers point in the woman on the right is yours. Then, why didn't roguish was the picture? I assume, stern johnson is that is very blurry

not be my first choice that I can tell you. That would not be my first choice. When you said that video that misleads would not be here first choice: you are referring to her physical, looks correct to steal overall when I look at her, I see her. I hear what she says. Whatever you be a choice of mine, either. To be honest with european on insulted, I would not, under any circumstances, have any interest in you hey, I'm a sore when I say it who Ok, so there were a number of republican lawmakers. We talk about the ones who are dismissive of this. There were some in the senate who are critical of donald trump yesterday expressing concern about the impact of the verdict, mostly on the twenty twenty four election.

how'd? You support somebody who has been found liable for sexual battery. I would have a difficult time doing some justice not suited president of the united states, and to be the person who we hold up to our children in the world. as the leader of the free world. Some point: when the people who work with you, your cabinet secretaries and juries, conclude that you ve done something severely wrong, said time for us to recognise that if the majority of those who have worked within my rights and he's wrong, one of my things is most important to me- is which which acceptable the servant candidate represents the best opportunity to beat your right and that the measure things what we experiencing today will certainly factor in Do not think you can win the presidency, and so I think,

regardless of what you think about him as an individual to me, electability is the is the sole criterion of drama around the corner, and this is just another example of why he can't win in a general election. Do you agree with that? I think for a lot of orders is going to begin, and I think this you know everybody all these prosecutors are out to get him, but he does like I said before, has a cumulative effect and people are going to decide whether whether or not they want to deal with all the drama surrounding. If you listen, the car on the radio or at home my grounds mitt, romney, Kevin Kramer, John corn and bill Cassidy in John food. All they're saying donald trump cannot win the nomination, so some boy this guy from a mere obviously those in the house that we heard not only missing the charges, but dismissing the entire process of american jurisprudence and jury of your peers and everything else. What is the

pack on this? Now there is a decision. Now there is a judgment he's been held liable, donald trump for sexual. all in defamation. Does this change anything about the dynamic inside the party? Will it gives the republicans yet another moment to face the question of how sure they do. They want to win in other returning twenty four, because the election in primary are two very different things. We saw the window. Tromp was indicted by the manhattan D ye a month or two back that helped him in the polls in public and party, even as it were concerns about his ability to win a general election and the bifurcation frustration there between the house. Members will largely weren't lockstep with him, who still want to do his bidding and are supporting a first. Is this. who really hit upon the issue of electronic Mitt romney is often a trump critics will set him aside, but some of the other voice we heard there are interesting is yes, someone like a stone or someone like a kennedy Cassidy you they do occasional corn, it do

whose member of leadership do occasionally criticise trump, but author lockstep at the day say here we don't think a candidate with sort of baggage, more or less can win. That's what they're saying If you in the behavior in the video we just played, and obviously his response yesterday to the decision as it is reprehensible and it's it's something that a decade ago, republicans would have rejected out right whether now that that the anti from forces can take a moment to try to call us around another candidate, whether it's a governor that is, or someone else remain, to be seen so far, no one has stepped to the forefront and he is the dominant figure in the party, but I think there we'll be a moment, will each where they'll be some republicans doors and others. a hard look at this moment and say here without prickly with other indicted, russia coming down the road. Can we really behind support this guy? If we want to win, nestful were joined now here, the table by two of the attorneys representing aging care. Mike for our and sean crowley. Thank you both for being here shut.

we start with what was decisive yesterday for the jury, the racist as such, down victory that the jury, who had heard from miss carol from aging carol for three days She sat on the witness, stand and answered question after question after question for three days that they, unanimously believed her, and it only took them a couple. in a couple of hours to decide that yeah, it did come back very quickly. You were in the room taking some of the depositions. That was not your voice. We heard on the tape there for donald trump last october important where those moments, for example, when you said she's, not my type but then thought she was his ex wife, marilla maples and a photograph, and that was extremely important. I think I think that what was so striking at the deposition that was taken by robbing kaplan was not just that he can, Can you deny that he had sexually assaulted, miss carol but that he doubled down? He double down with she's, not my type. He double down played him the access hollywood video he smiled through it, as as we played it for him and then

as you know, unfortunately are. Fortunately, this is just what star, Do we gotta do these sorts of things? So I think it is really important that the jury really heard him say those words from his own mouth lent, appointed molly gonna, say you're, not my type either just a kind of a breathtaking moment. So MIKE are one of the questions have been asked in the indies last twelve hours, or so is. Is this distinction between sexual abuse? and rape? How do you explain that to our viewers? The jury did not find for rape, but did for sexual abuse. What's the difference there yeah the difference is I mean there are legal elements to sort of both of these ideas. I think, at the end of the day, the takeaway is Donald trump said I would there, I jumped no her. It never happened and so The jury's verdict was resounding in rejecting that. At this point, I think that sort- but take away their as such,

Ah me on this idea, I mean the destruction of the defamation. Part of a two way is as yet, what do you think was decisive year for this jury to come back with? The firm is on that part of this is well rights. Are there the jury so for it? For so, the jury finds. Ok, the sexual assault happen. Ok, so now he's lied about it right and then there so is it is he doing it like with ill will? Is its Is it out of spite those sorts of questions actual alice is one of the terms and so that that's layered on to this idea. Not only has he denying it not always leave lying. Why he's lying in a way that the jury found was sort of spiteful and and made out of ill will make up So I'm curious sean that, first of all, what we're seeing here play which I think in in the history of donald trump is historic and it's probably the first time donald trump. President, the former financier whatever he called himself, is being held accountable for his work.

and it is his words that brought him down and let also make sure that we include not just sexual abuse but defamation that was at play here. It was really the defamation that that he and I did on aging carol that actually prompted this whole thing. So tell us what this strategy is for his appeal aging carol is validated on so many levels here. But how does she get the money So as you, as you said, there will be an appeal process that will probably take a year or more to play out. I think we saw Donald trump I'm saying even before there was a verdict yesterday, promising that he would that he would appeal. You know, I think The trial was strong. The judge was extremely strong. His his rulings were sound. We don't expect there to be any actual issues on appeal, and so we do expect that that he gene will be paid at some point.

It is just going to take a little a little bit of time take to get through the courts. George Conway, has a question max george I mean I mean? Does he have anything in particular Given the lack of evidence that the that he presented, I mean, is there any way he could win, even if he could find some kind of legal error in the end the charger in the arena Having the judge did I doubt it. I don't think so, early because, as we know well, we saw his words on the deposition, where he was legally compelled to be questioned. He didn't actually are there to show up at the trial himself and checked himself to the same sort of cross examination that his attorney did of aging carol for two and a half days so make women watch that even people I know, were very sympathetic to easing carol dont like donald trump or asking. Why now? Why did she go for some twenty five years. Even more with this, agent in her book a couple years ago and frankly, put herself

that send me to take on donald brought up in a public forum is no small task. Why did she do and she testified to this. So She was gonna write a book. What do we need men for which we heard a lot about a trial and she was getting. Be a tour around the united states, eating at restaurants, name for women in cities named after women and the Basically, the day she was gonna leave the harvey once you delegation started coming out the right, the sort of me to movement was was happening and she said I, how can I write a book about other women and their thoughts on man without including happened to me and my life and my encounters with men sushi part of her with a list of men who had miss treated her an unwanted, and some of them were obviously satirical and others are more serious and the donald trump so portion was a very serious excerpt that she thought she had to include and she felt like she had been silent for tumult and so shun. What were the early conversations like not just about making this public, which is a big deal for

a woman has gone through some members, but to take on donald trump. public form, knowing what his reaction would be. Knowing what the reaction is. Supporters would be knowing that Prominent members of the united states congress would dismiss her out of hand. Was there any doubt about freeing this case There is no doubt about bringing this case. I think she had some. She had some big doubts about whether at first to go public with her allegations. She feared that he would do exactly what he ended up doing as someone who had been a advice columnist, a journalist for her whole life she felt like, it was time instead of sort of giving it two other women to talk about herself and things that had happened to her you decided that he what he had been doing he'd been attacking her throughout his doing that you do yesterday on true social he's, gotta primetime town right. We know he's gonna be on the campaign trail again in the coming days. He's gonna keep doing it. How do you guys prepare your client, but also the appeals process. As those attacks continue. I think the aging is prepared for it. She has

withstanding his attacks for the last four years. I think she expects that there will be more, but the fact that a jury of of her peers and his peers unanimously agreed with her and believed her is boiling her up and is going to support, as he continues to make these outlandish waves. Jennifer palmary has a question for you guys. Wouldn't say aging carol is your client, but when you're try in this case to think about a bigger principle that you are also arguing that was at stake. My good sure yeah I mean absolutely, but I think that this is, I hope, I think we I speak for sean as well in robbie in any jean, when we say that we very much hope that this gives other women who and anyone who has suffered we'll abuse are rates sub I've. We did they think themselves. I can come forward and people will believe me you know I can, I can say truth and Can it be dismissed? I'm not gonna be

the two old and its It's going be this. You know, I'm not, I'm not going in accord and have my past miserably dragged out that the people gonna believe me, and we hope that it gives courage too one who has been through something like this? So I'm curious moving forward, especially preparing for an appeal. Are there any constraints as to what you can include as you prepared to and yourself against an appeal. Defend aging carol, in the manhattan hadn case. The judge is now saying he can't talk about evidence and things like that if he continues to defame her in the public, raina over and over and over again cannot be used in the appeal it can be used. The appeal in this case this case the appeals contained in the record that is existing. Now I will note we have another case against him. He beforehand

statement in october, defaming her actually issued a series of statements back in june of twenty nineteen right after she came A word in which he said, the same. This is a hoax. She paid operative of the democratic party she's, not my type, those sorts of things. So Jeanne brought her first lawsuit back in november of twenty nineteen. That's on a bit of a different track, because the dialogue on this- and you can't sue me for something I did while I was president- that's making its way back the court, and so that is still very much alive issue. It's going to be a little bit harder have to fight it now that there is a jury has found that he sexually abused her and then lied about it. He denied it, but that case is still very much alive. How come? tenuous attorneys, representing aging carol, might perhaps sean crowley. Thank you very much for being on the show. This morning we appreciate it and a head aging.

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beautiful shot of the new york city sky line as the sun is coming up over the bigger let us forty one past the our welcome back for source. Tell em busy news republican congressmen. George Santos has been indicted on federal charge. the news coms, as santos faces mounting legal issues and is the subject of multiple congressional federal and state? Investing and amazing news reports in december to federal law enforcement sources, confirmed that federal prosecutors from the eastern district of new york had opened destination into santos and worth examining his finances, including potential irregularities involving financial, does closures and loans he made to his congressional campaign, a source with direct,

knowledge tells NBC. New centres is expected to appear at the long island federal court house. Today, santos His lawyer did not respond to requests for common george conway. What we don't know too much, yet how long do you think he knew about this and I don't know any idea what this could be. I guess is that he's known that he's been under investigation for a while That way, since all of bali information started coming ever out about, there's no way indeed, he hasn't had represents pond subpoenas. his campaign, finance information and so on and so forth and there's so much to choose from here. We wish, These disclosures, where he was continually charging the cash max alone. One. Ninety, nine, ninety nine or something like that of continually charging that amount cash for payments, for

to a restaurant, a single restaurant, every meal costs one. Ninety nine and I mean that's clearly fraudulent. You ve got the money. Were we don't know where the money came from and you ve got that sorry story about him ripping off for the fund for the for the poor, sick dog. there's so much shared shoes from it'll? and to see what the feds have on him. But there's going to be something when you lie that much you're right sooner or later lie on a piece of paper that actually matters something it has for something or you're. Gonna lie about something involving money and that's gonna get who, in the state or federal, trouble and weakened for some people. It takes longer like our friend in florida, but some people really get their faster and I guess that's MR santos thinking about his office, like everyone in his office, did what? How could he? How could he operate with hanging over him having to provide all these. Closures. I would think that his office would know about this too,

office. I'm didn't make that I don't know What exactly is kept his office separate from his campaign, in operation what his campaign operation is. I mean we just know. We don't know the inner workings of george santos and how how how how he hasn't been able to strangers, but it's just going to be on a it's gotta, be untenable for him to function now and we'll see. If, if, if Mr Mccarthy has the gumption actually do something at this point or if he's got them contain, being shameless and pretending that santos issues than normal member of congress george com, Thank you very much for being on this morning and coming up on morning, Joe cities near the southern border, bracing for the end of a pandemic policy used to block migrants from entering the country. We're gonna go live too. Pass, which has already seen a rise in crossings with more migrants expected to arrive when

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Aimlessly, Julie, good morning tell us what it looks like there and what officials are expecting to see in the next several days, although I am talk a little quietly. I wanna be respectful of these people, who are sleeping here right next to me, we're outside sacred heart, church an old house, so this is really become the prisoner of war, a lot of migrants or sleeping on the streets after they cross the border, either after they have a border patrol or they are unable to get room inside the shelters. El paso became quickly overcrowded. They had as many as two thousand people sleeping on the streets just a few days ago, but actually something happened. Yesterday, that's pretty significant as border patrols, forty to move worthy people out of this area and onto their destinations further into the country in an effort to try to clear out these streets before that expected served. As you mentioned title, forty two will lived at eleven. Fifty nine eastern that'll be nine fifty nine here tomorrow night and they are

I came to see numbers crossing the southern border get above ten thousand. That's like nothing. We ve seen before right now that the numbers across a border untold are already avc over eight thousand per day and inside border patrol facilities. There already well over capacity is something the administration is talking about now and they're, trying to put forward a really tough face, tough policy. to show that the border will not be open when tariff two lesson. In fact, they re the bar or what it means to clean, a silent, the border officials, I've spoken to say that won't do anything about the processing time without title forty two, it will take them a lot longer to figure out who can stay in the country, and four will be deported are expelled, and that is going to lead to massive backlogs and potentially many more people like sleeping on the streets? Well, so, as you say, title forty two's, basically tell migrants who had come in said, you can be expelled without an asylum hearing. They could be kept down that will expire just tomorrow, night at midnight local time here and on the

co, so what is the I did ministration doing to prepare for this. Obviously, they ve been criticized in many quarters for their handling situation at the border for the handling of title. Forty two: what is the plan from administration. What is the plan from homeland security? while in the short term, we know they surged resources down. Here there are more important patrol agents that have come to these areas. There are putting more into ice into transportation and is also put down fifteen hundred active duty troops. Although those people we'll just be supporting border patrol not doing the actual apprehensions of migrants, but a lot of them, policies and their planning has to do more in the long term. They want migrants I want to apply for asylum or for appointments here from in country there the go and set up processing centres in guatemala, colombia with more to follow. They want to re the bar on asylum so that, basically, you have applied already for asylum in a country you pass through on your way. Here then you'd be ineligible,

came to the united states unless you me other criteria to show potential, you computer church save you were sent back to your home country. There alive ways that they're trying to make it in the long term so that its harder to cross the border and easier to get protection from your home country, but look stern The clock- nine, fifty nine here local tomorrow night, Those processing centres are open. A lot of people say that they have run out of all That is the last resort. They can no longer stand our home countries a lot of people in some places like venezuela guatemala, cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, you name it places where people are in desperate situations are there because of the political climate or the economic climate, and they say that this, their time to come, and thousands are waiting just over the border here and war as waiting to comment find out what happens just under forty hours from now on, be sees Julia aims laid down at the border in EL paso taxes, Julia thanks. So much. Ways. We appreciate it so Jokela mirror the quest

for the vine administrations. Are they ready, for? This is a title. Forty two has been in place for just over for years now, there's no tell What's gonna happen two days from now when the border opens in this way. To this point real concerns among democrats. The widest hasn't been ready for this series told me privately more than a year. Ago that this was one of their real vulnerabilities and they hadn't gotten their handle really on what to do at the border, is tat. The first rumblings were coming once a title for it to expiring yearly. I'm not sure much of that has changed and their people inside outside ministration were deeply nervous as to what the next year, These will hold strictly an influx of migrants is expected. We saw the present committed since the border there they said not to be but rather provide some support. Relief. who were already there, but it is going to be a political firestorm and we know gent palmary, that republican have already for similar present bind to has took office, has the border and immigration a real point of attack and that's all

escalate we assume the images coming from those border states in coming days. So what would council be here for the I'd house, first of all, and secondly, how give a vulnerability. Is this going to be, as we do start thinking about a relationship?

Arthur they're talking more about the issue and what they're doing about it right now. I know that I have had the same conversations you've had about that. The that is a really difficult problem. It's a huge logistical problem that the white house to say said, and it's there without any sort of prospect for congress to actually deal with the problem which we need to know is their job and it is there are the administration has limited as to what they can do about it? So I think they know Julia just did the same report about what they are doing there. They have bought more resources down there. They have. The national guard standing by to assist secretary lincoln, open has, is, is doing more they're, doing more asylum process and in country in central america so to try to limit the people who do to do flow here. So I think they want us to know everything that they are trying to do

I just stand up like a very which is likely to be a difficult problem. Then you saw actually start with the president said last night when he got a question about it. I he said it's going to be really. You know how's how's it going to go in title forty. She gets and mister president, and he admit it's like it's going to be difficult. It's going to be messy like we'll, have to see in the next. In those few days is what occurs but think they're trying to brace people for look. Yes, upset any ops absent action from congress, gotta see a lot of chaos at the border total forty two it's the end of the day tomorrow have much more in the story. Coming up, hey everybody! It's Joe scarborough, exciting news. You can now stream morning Joe live on peacock you're, going to find this in their new morning, news live feature: every weekday from six to ten am eastern at the peacock being mean dot com slash morning Joe for more information, see there