The WH is expected to announce a new national advisory on Americans in coronavirus hot spots should wear masks. Meanwhile, economic analyst says the unemployment rate will shortly head into double digits and the country will likely still be looking at roughly 10 percent unemployment on Election Day.
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The Californians that allow me to say the following: the Numbers
in the state of California are growing. Number of positive certainly are growing
magical. Yes, the number of deaths to an three have grown.
But the ice you numbers and the hospitalization numbers, while their growing are not growing
significantly, as your seen in other parts of the country, do you
message for the other governors who have not taken these. These strong
as there is an extreme measures. Should everyone be issuing these stay at borders.
Our message is this: what are you waiting for? What more evidence do you need anything
it's not gonna happen to you, you'll never regret over
up and setting at the moment so that you are preparing people
for meeting this moment?
spots way and there's no greater intervention period full stop none! Then physical, distance,
We talk about social distancing, but it's really physical, distancing, you
they socially connected, but you need to be physically apart and
Foundational and fundamentally, we know, can bend.
The lives save lives and get people
people back to work
society back to some semblance of normalcy faster than any thing else. We can do
positive news from California Governor Gavin Newsome. Yesterday, two weeks ago, Newsome announced the first statewide stay at home order in the
added states, it appears to be paying off good morning and welcome
Two morning, Joe, it is Friday April. Thorough job
back on Monday, along with Willie and me, we have editor in chief of the
lanting magazine, Jeffrey Goldberg, former Treasury,
special and mourning Joe Economic, Analyse, Steve, Ratner and
Torreon and author of soul, the soul of America Rogers, professor of the presidency. It Vanderbilt
University John Major. He is an NBC News and MSNBC contributor,
dive right in the latest numbers. The cases of corona virus across the globe have now top
one million the. U S added, almost thirty thousand new cases. Yesterday with that
Tal now approaching, six thousand New York City
it added more than nine thousand cases yesterday, totalling more than ninety two thousand
than half are in New York City. The death toll there,
hundred and eighty eight last night to more than fifteen hundred total hospitals are stretched so thin that city paramedics have been told that adult patients
adult patients who are in cardiac arrest and can't be revived in the field, should not be
to the emergency room. You can imagine that
Governor Andrew Cuomo said last night that he is he
enough ventilators to last about six more days here. He is on MSNBC last night dress.
Having home a proposed solution that he's been pushing for some time now.
We want silver lining here is not
every place in this country, gets hit at the same time right, there's going to be
from curve for the disease in different areas dependent
when it started, and those curves we'll have a leg,
why don't we devise a national strategy that moves with that rolling apex? If you will
roughly thirty thousand ventilators, which I can get
I only need thirty thousand ventilators for two or three weeks at the top of my curve. Let's be smart. Let's go helpless,
place when this one, that town
goes over its curve. Then we'll go to the next and we'll go to the next. Then we'll go to the next otherwise you're saying to every state: every locality, you must people,
haired on your router to handle this. Where we are now fifty states all try,
by the same equipment
China.
And then the federal government comes in with FEMA, which is trying to purchase the same equipment it.
Not the way to do it and the simplicity is what makes it so tragic. Frankly, because we
have a piece of equipment someone's going to die, because we we don't
have staff someone's,
to die. How did we get this place in this?
country
one other sombre note. Funeral homes are also struggling to keep up. A Brooklyn owner tells the Associated Press that his company is equipped to handle
sixty cases at a time, but he's now
and when one hundred and eighty five saint quote, this is us
eight of emergency. We need help Willie.
Meanwhile a senior administration officials telling NBC News. The White House is expected to announce a new advisory and national advisory that Americans living in
on a virus. Hotspots should wear cloth face mass
officials say the expected move is aimed at reducing the risk that the virus could be spread by people who are infected, but
not show any symptoms. Initial CDC guidelines advised Americans against wearing masks unless they were health care,
birds or if they were already infected during
Today's Whitehouse briefing, president from said, the advisory would not be mandatory,
going to becoming out with
relations on and if people want to abide by and frankly, I don't think
I don't think they'll be mandatory because some people that want to do that. But if people want
As an example in the mouths of people wanted to wear them, they can, if people want to do
you scarves, which they have. Many people have them. They can
many cases the scarf is better sticker. I mean you can. If you
pending in the material, its thicker, but they could do that if they want now
commendations coming out we'll see what that recommendation is what I will say this, they can pretty much decide for them
serves radio is the guy
out and was in Windsor.
In the in the days ahead, we're currently working through passwords, taking the consultation by Cdcr top health experts and
So you it's not a substitute for everything they were asking people to do them
The important thing is a social distancing in washing their hands, and we don't want peace
to get an artificial sense of protection, because there, behind a mask because of their touching things
or your eyes are not in the mass. So of your touching things and
touching your eyes are exposing ourselves in the same way we are
mayor build the plaza yesterday by the way announced that he was recommending in his government was recommending that New York
Do where a mask as well, following the lead of LOS Angeles, which had made that recommendation a couple days prior meanwhile present?
Tromp announced he is expanding. The defence production act to push companies to make protective mass and ventilators need to fight the corona virus outbreak. The order authorizes the headed FEMA to acquire as many and ninety five masts from the company three m as is deemed necessary. The act is expected also to help six manufacturers.
G and med traffic. Secure supplies needed to make the lifesaving machines in a White House statement
and from says, the order quote was
lives by removing obstacles in the supply chain that threaten the rapid production of
until later meagre and there are
questions as to how the White House arrived at its projection this week, that up to two hundred and forty thousand Americans could die from the corona virus. According to the Washington Post war.
Leading disease forecasters whose research they
destruction used to reach. Its conclusion said they dont challenge the numbers validity Liberty, Whitehouse officials have referred
to explain how they generated the figure and they have not
the underlying data, so others can assess its reliability or provide long term strategies that lower the death count three way
some of president trumps top advisers have expressed doubts about the estimate and there have been fierce debates inside the White House about its accuracy. The posed reports that a task force meeting
doktor a task force meeting this week there Anthony too
people's at play in the pandemic to make the models reliable, saying quote, I've learned,
most reliable. Saying quote: I've looked at the model, so I spent a lot of time on the models. They don't tell you anything. You can't
really rely upon models that
They see director and the vice president's office have reportedly also voiced doubts about the projections accuracy accuracy, while I
Columbia, university epidemiologist, whose models were cited by the White House tells the post that his own work on the pandemic.
Doesn't go far enough into the future. To make predictions akin to White House Fatality forecast such every Goldberg, a couple of things as well.
As everybody is looking for answers and we're trying to get numbers on masks and supplies getting to hospitals,
hot spots around the country engage how many cases
the bottom line here is that the one thing that works is the one thing
that's being put upon the american people, and that is this physical distancing, social.
Basing its being proven to have worked in California, the governor of California, clearly
to top scientists. We know for a fact he was on the phone with top health policy experts and
I had to shut down the state and certain
cities the earliest
the numbers are bearing that out. We have these hotspots in these horrific Sid.
Patients in places like new
Ex ante right now and the only solution right now. The only solution that we
on the horizon. Is social distancing? Isn't it
issue right now, as the economy crumbles and America is being brought to its knees. What
The timeline for real testing across the board and what is the timeline for a vaccine because those of the two things that could
It is out of this and we have asked
but we know answer so many weeks into this crisis. Well, you know its interest.
Underlying the call for a social distancing underlying the call for handwashing, and everything else is a deeply
sire and need for leadership, stable leadership.
Three genius leadership. It doesn't stable leadership either to have.
To get a sense from the top that they have a plan
I understand the needs across America not state by state a brass America and that and that day,
executing what we're missing right now. A couple of things. One is a feeling that there were getting it straight problem
The White House, I'm getting straining information even if it's a bad, unpleasant information at their talking straight
The other is a sense of a unified plan if he just listen to Governor Cuomo at the top,
showing and listen to president trap. I think
you can see? I think it's this affair conclusion that they they project to convert,
and leadership instability in very different ways,
and so ultimately,
This is me if it is true that this is a war, is Donald Trump argues that he's a wartime president we
have to have the nose is able to predict the end of this, but you have to be.
Able to tell the american people love.
This is what we're doing on ventilators. This is what we're doing on on surging, the material to hospitals, the zoo, we're doing X, Y and an end. We
just what
all day long, only languages website from different conclusion, a different conclusion with with strange
sort preparations on whether the president is popular
Facebook or not? It's not an ideal situations under girding. Everything is this. Is this leadership question.
Hey John Major, my when asked about the state of Tennessee, where you live governor early yesterday, finally sign to stay at home order for Tennessee for
going slowly: the states of Florida and Georgia in Mississippi, which came online yesterday with those kind of policies. What is your view and a snapshot of what it looks like in Tennessee right now? These are places, I think, perhaps over the last couple of months, thought that this,
maybe in New York story and that it may not visit Nashville and Memphis
he's Tennessee? What does it look?
right now. There now
I think it mattered enormously. The dolly part and got involved honestly
a million dollars, Vanderbilt and
he's the real governor and that help,
of the broader sleep, it sends a signal that this is serious and our vote friend
draw is doing new daily songs from his living. People who have cultural influence are too
it seriously, and I think that begins to Hell
a climate of opinion that to go to Jeffreys Point
you know we are in the midst of our thinking. At the beginning,
this- I hope I don't have to say this, but in fact I do we have a
artisan pandemic, and there are
depends on where you live and which,
and it was you watch whether you
US certain facts and data and to allow
Six hundred and ten sounds overly brand. I know, but I think it has the virtue of being
who is Henry Kissinger used to say the enlightened
put on trial here, facts and data,
shape human decisions because they are subject
We true is
is something that is now very much under assault, and I think it absolutely begins at the top
The thing I hope to the beginning of this is that this would not become a they perpetual
referenda
or commentary on this particular president, but see previous point. It simply a fact.
That he is not communicating coherently
universally truthfully about what we face here is,
it's very curious- has become this.
Federalist figure from the eighteenth century righty, certainly no EU states rights. He loves
The idea that somehow or another this the border between my
stayed in Kentucky and Mississippi, and Georgia and Alabama somehow or another. The virus is going to see of the border and say: oh wait, that's a republican governor, I'm not going there. Anything doesn't work that way, and so I think that
I think people are hungry for direction.
Hungary for coherent information. You can find it, God bless them,
amendment
the Atlantic has been doing fantastic job, the institutions,
so many of us trust I've been doing a great job, but in a cry
like this. You shouldn't have to free lance health. Information right
You shouldn't outsource that to the citizens of so much
sense is that anything that
Burke, sore about her or device
the anything that anyone can do too.
Stream of fact, amid the
I reminders about what he did about China will, I think, serve the national interests best
Well, let's, let's, let's talk about facts as it pertains to leadership, Jeffrey Goldberg, I'll, throw this one at you. We
a former Obama official on the show yesterday said Harris who, besides said the prince
and should resign that this has failed leadership. That has put us in a catastrophic position, pretty hard statement, but I'll. Ask that you debunks out,
we have a government that has ordered up a hundred thousand body bags. At this point they won't stream
the president will not streamline the dp too
because on masks and ventilators getting directly to the people who need them he's leaving
to the governor. So you have California, that's doing pretty well in leadership started early and the numbers are going down. But then you have places like Georgia, where the governor just figured out this week
that there are asymptomatic carriers. I mean the the stupidity level
on the highest levels of leadership and states is shown
itself during this crisis, and you have the governor of Florida
shutting down the state late last night, just late last night, while we are considered to be
Florida in Miami Ex, especially to be the next hot spot to have over one
numbers through the roof. So the question is: how is that
through the roof. So the question is: how is that comment not true? What facts has this president put out
bring his nightly weekly briefings that give us some sense of hope that there is leadership,
the top that is going to lead us out of this will let me just
a glass half full Kyar guide for a minute. Uncharacteristically, and just say it
The following:
It is true that the governor of Georgia doesn't have a deep sigh.
Background. It is true that the Governor Florida has it.
Name's been negligent in response, but there has been.
Extraordinary leadership shown by governors across the country
over the past couple of weeks, especially
an end
that has come about a because many of them are very, very good at leadership and be it's. It's come out, be
because there's a vacuum: there's a vacuum of leadership.
Common and whether the present trump
resign or not. I mean this is not our. This is not surprising experience for us visa. Be this president. We ve been through three years of course
seize the difference between those crises and this crisis is those were mainly self inflicted
Those are things trunk did to himself and into the country
This is a virus that doesn't care
all ratings or or or Facebook likes or whatever, but we're
This is not a regulatory about about this present at the instant
An american power right now would be something that one would have to consider and in seeking through that. But I'm saying it.
Would have to consider in thinking through that. But all I'm saying is that
still have on the federal level. Excellent public servants.
And you have, and governors and mayors people even somewhere, but a little late.
Firstly sees guy this and so the
All is not lost in there in the in the sense of leadership across the country, but by John is exactly right. This is this about states
it's about localities. It's about city states, its cry, it's great that we're back to the
it, was a confederation period of american history, but that's where that's where we're out
The thing about it is ours, and will it will it just to follow
but on what was just said, something to
about is may be taking the governors press conferences across the board law?
and listening to what is actually happening in the states. I know we're
working on exactly how to cover these presidential news conferences were dipping into.
Like when the president's son in law gets up there or the president's starts ripping
We do about trying to get facts about. This is really tough at the highest level, but I've been,
Kinda governors news conferences all day long. I just pull them up, live from state to state
and there are a lot of governors who are doing a great job who have real facts, real numbers and are really connecting with people in an emphasis
way- and it does give us some hope, Willy nilly and, of course in Europe.
Andrew Cromwell has been giving those addresses effectively, thus Q and a sessions in those updates every day that a lot of the national networks are taking because
The story is most acute and in the state of New York, but as we talk about listening to the doctors say again that
Anthony Voucher yesterday, starting at seven o clock in the morning. In an interview today show and ending about ten o clock last night on CNN said effectively
We should have a national shut down that the stay at home order should apply to the country. Now he said, I can't say that
it's not my job. I understand that there are questions about states, rights and federalism and everything else, but if you're asking me, what would be the smartest thing to do stay at home across the country, but that's up to the present.
That's listening to the doctors, as you say, let's talk about the financial side about this. That's taking incredible human tall.
Staggering jobless claims number crossing yesterday during
our show, as reported six point, six five million people claiming
women. Just last week the week before that the Labour Department announced three point, two eight million claims bring the month of March Total,
more than ten million jobless claims, in fact the past two weeks all but eliminated the jobs created in the past five years, so Steve
have a chart on where the unemployment rate is likely headed from here how bad DC get it
sure whether we can talk about that look in in Beecham's honour. Let me be slightly chilean and say that we are really at the beginning of the beginning. Here, you're just see the leading,
what's going to happen. There will be unemployment numbers tomorrow, but they will be relic
we'd benign because there can there
there during the middle of March for for most of the set. But if we look ahead, you can see
where, where we're going from here, which is essentially into double digit unemployment. And so, if you look on the left
the charge you can see that we ve been sitting at three point. Five percent first quarter will still be around three point: seven percent, because for the reasons I said and then what
I'm going to go up like a rocket ship. These are Goldman. Sachs has projections, but if you look at most other major
economists you gonna see something very much like this, and so in this
a quarter of this year, which just started the other yesterday before we go to thirteen point, two percent
in the third quarter over the summer. There projector. We have fourteen points
and were sad and just for reference. You can see the dotted red line across the middle. That's all
thousand and I at ten percent.
We're talking about an unemployment rate, fifty percent higher than where we got two during
rain financial crisis and
Do people say to themselves in this is going to be a v shape, recovery, we're going to bounce back as fast as we bounced down, because people go back to work. But if you look
These projections show that's not what we're looking out we're looking at a long, slow recovery and jobs unemployed,
re going down to nine point five percent at the end of this year, and then you can see
some point, four quarter by quarter at the end of next year. Six point three
still very high in two thousand twenty two five point: two percent: we don't
back to anything like where we are today until twenty twenty, three
which is a very long time from now and then just one little political, footnote, Donald Trump will probably
facing double digit unemployment on election day,
small and all debate the consequences of that.
So save a lot of those jobs obviously fallen small businesses that may have to shut their doors through this. They just don't have the money to keep running through this crisis. Let's talk a little bit about the PPP, which are the pay check, protection,
program. That's the small business loans, three hundred fifty billion dollars in that two point, two trillion dollar stimulus package, their spouse, to go out today. We ve heard from big banks that there's chaos
they don't know the rules. They don't know how to implement this programme. I heard from a head of a amidst
its bank in the south there.
Concern. They want to get the money to their customers, but they have no guidance at all from Treasury. What are you hearing
how that programmes can a roll out
its rolling out slowly further for the as you imply, I woods
in little but, as Jeffrey were saying to be to cite two handed about this- that these new programmes there very complicated the hard to implement? But that said
It is rolling out very, very slowly,
this enormous confusion among the small business community as to how to access and getting not a lot of response when they make phone calls ascended emails, and things like that, I would
I would point out that there are three hundred seventy five billion for that programme in the legislation. Most people think that numbers way too small that prefer
this is over. We're gonna need something like a trillion dollars and even then many small businesses are not going to know how to use this. It's not going to be enough. They're not gonna
access it, and so you ve been a sea basin.
This is part of what our saying that, for you than to see many many businesses simply shut down and not be able to
open, and that is an enormous amount of destruction to the economy. That's going to be very hard to untangle cells.
Just also trying to map this out. Don't you need two important factors as you look into the future as to how bad this can I you
the word depression will look like without really
consistent, complete testing across
Board, where you have rapid testing for the Krona virus as well as they antibody testing to know of somebody who has had it before. If you don't have that along with a vaccine. How can you see into this
you're too far into it to see how bout this is gonna get how how important our those two factors there critically important, but first to go back a step,
someone said this was not as this was not self inflicted it. That's actually
the virus was not self inflicted, but if we move
faster and more aggressively toward the social distancing towards all the policies that are now
slowly and and haltingly, as we were just talking about for the last fifteen minutes, come into place if we,
move faster as chair,
Ultimately did we would have seen, I think, better numbers on jobs. The more we are looking at here. Better numbers on the economy would be to get people back to work. So yes, from an economic point of view, what you have to be
to Now- and we don't know- but you have to have a view about- is how quickly people back to work
and that in turn, will narrow
to some degree around how soon there of axioms available how soon there Andy body testing available how soon people feel is simply feel comfortable. Going back to work, I don't
no economist would professed special insight into that public health people do but
you know and as we all listen to them
we really knows for sure so well
depended on that on the public health side of this thing, working for the economy to work. If we cannot solve the public health side, get people to a place where there comfortable going back
work, then the numbers I showed you could be even worse could be even worse, Steve Ratner. Thank you very much, and some people learn the hard way
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the? U S Navy, announced it has relieve the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of corona virus. Aboard the? U S S Theodore, Roosevelt and aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly five thousand captain.
Brett Crozier raise the alarm this week, sending a strongly worded letter to Navy leadership detailing
concerns about the spread of the virus on the carrier joint
now, with her latest reporting, NBC News, national security and military corresponded. Courtney cubic
in good morning. I know reporting out the story overnight. What why
the justification for relieving this commander of his post
well Willie. It was the letter that you mention. It was the fact that Captain Crozier wrote
letter, it wasn't so much just that he expressed his extreme and deep heart.
Concern about the welfare of his
true of the USS aircraft carrier, USS Theodore Roosevelt, but it was the man.
And which he distributed. That letter that autumn
got him relieved of his command, so he sent that
that email really a memo foreign
we don't know exactly who too we know he sent it to his direct chain of command, but he also
on an unclassified server, two apparently dozens of other people, and
timidly when the senior Navy leadership briefed us on their decision to relieve Captain Crozier late yesterday afternoon. They explain that that was really wanted. What, with
and they decided to relieve him of this post. Is it they lost trust, and
evidence in his judgment and is this
I understand that under an on an unclassified server, now indeed
a little bit of information, not the readiness of the ship, and that is that is generally a classified peace.
Information, but it wasn't just
that there may have been some information on their
be sensitive and their the may be Navy, wouldn't necessarily want in the hands of an adversary, but it was the fact that the information Guy
to the media and the fact that he's he made such a public
E Navy leader said will that broke trust and confidence
the sailors on the ship and it caused undue harm,
Alarm among their families, we actually heard in a relatively rare way. We don't usually here from Navy leaderships about their decisions to release
someone a captain of a ship, but we heard from the acting sector
Navy, Thomas, mostly in the briefing
MR, where he explained exactly why it is that he decided to relieve Captain Crozier this decision.
Is not one of retribution. It is about confidence
it is not an indictment of character, but rather of judgment,
by not sending a letter to and through his chain of command and to people outside
the chain of command by not protect
the sensitive nature of the infant information contained within the letter appropriately? And lastly,
reaching out to me directly divorce,
This concerns after that avenue had been clearly provided to him through my team. That was acceptable to me.
So the reality really. This feels very political in the timing of it, and there are a lot of questions now about. Why do this when
sailors who are still being taken off that ship. They don't know if they have
run a virus or not. They worried about the fate of the
Fellow sailors is this the correct time to take away their beloved Captain Willie so
we are their signals that Captain Crozier had alerted
authorities alert to his boss as previously that there was a problem on the ship, because this little sounded like when you get it out and Britain release it to a newspaper and active desperation.
Like I've, gotta get this out to the public knows, and maybe the me some pressure to help us with corona virus on the ship. In other words, with is the first time he had spoken up about it or perhaps the last time so
Greece office. We know that he had spoken with his chief of staff before he released this letter. This man
we know that he had spoken with his chief of staff before he released this letter. This memo and told them about this
many of the issue, but we don't it
good sense of exactly what kind of response he got they weren't.
Actively moving to move the sailors off that ship. That was the real
and of contention here
concern was that, with with more than
four eight hundred sailors on that ship. They needed
start getting them off in mass, so that, though, the quarantine and end quarantine them on shore, so that the virus wouldn't continue to spread and affect more and more sailors. It's very tight quarters
if you're anywhere near one another. The outbreak is going to multiply and it's gonna multiply quickly. That was his big concern, but the acting so
Jerry Thomas mostly said that he had spoken with him
about his concerns and he wasn't raising alarm bells, as
strongly and his emotionally as.
In that letter Willie
I envy sees Courtney Coolby covering the Pentagon Forest corny thanks so much as always. We appreciated maker coming up one of the top
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The states, you know how many ventilators than their states and by the way, some governors, you speak to your senators and they
no what's in their state of some governors else be too and they'll know too
but how many ventilators Abner state. That's the first thing of good manager will do don't ask us for
when you know that you, when you do,
what you have in your own state, just because you're scared. You asked your medical medical professionals and they don't know you
dick inventory of what you have in your own state and then you have
It will show that there is a real need. Terror. Kirshner,
not that I'm looking here. No medical experience, no experience in government accepted that job and the public health experience, but he's apparently questioning
some states quote real need for lifesaving ventilators great.
Linda Ohio, is preparing for a surge of covert nineteen patients by converting a local,
and health campus into a temporary hospital
joining us now, ceo president of the Cleveland Clinic Doktor Tom Michalek, Bitch, Doktor, Macaulay of it
Thank you very much for being on I'd like to start with the preparation at the Cleveland Planet itself. You guys
been planning for several months to prepare for this? What prompted the
really sort of ordering of supplies and and getting everything in place good morning,
Thank you for having me
yes. We hear the Cleveland clearly have started our preparations and the beginning of January. Is we started noticing the this
pandemic, spread from China
and we started to model and predict what would be the absolute
the largest number of patients, they would be
declaring our care here to Cleveland Clinic in accordance with the model in predicting modeling did we have
develop. We started to
well planned the allocation of all of our resources, people, space and technology, so document higher that
back in January, I think the president was still sort of paralleling this to the flu, called it a hoax. What what prompted you
what information did you have that he didn't have that? Had you getting
very well prepared? Well, you just
came to read the at the beginning of may
making and China and away they were handling ended
became clear that if this were to come
into the United States the delights of healthcare systems like ours have to start to think about how they would react to the pandemic doctor.
Willie guys. Thank you for coming on this morning. Can you talk talk to us all that about testing and why that's so critical, just didn't know how big the problem is to understand the scope of the problem before you can begin to treat the problem
well, I have to say that develop a lot to develop a large scale testing. They will serve all Americans
in a relatively short period of time, from the beginning of the pandemic until now is a formidable challenge on the
the circumstances what
I'm done here, the Cleveland clinically have developed an ability to test in house and by
doing so we have been able to provide our patience with the timely information about whether their infected or not doubt turnaround time is eight hours, although I
I have to say that our ability
to test this finite, just like everything else, and
Frankly, we are doing about thirteen hundred tests a day at going clinic.
It is certainly there came home. Yes, please go ahead.
Well, the other is so that's me. I understand what you're doing it your hospital, you do what you can there on a now
snow level now, because there has been so much talk that
The numbers that are put out every day in terms of cases are exponent
the higher than we actually know, because we don't have enough testing to understand the scope of the problem and therefore how to treat it and what will need and how long this will last and everything that follows from that. So how do we
scale up? I guess a program like yours so that we can have enough testing in this country to understand the problem.
There several components do it. First of all, we have to allow all laboratories in a large healthcare organizations that are capable of doing this testing to scale up their own ability. Dead is
wait will be able to multiply the testing to number of different sides so that we can serve
patients in real time and did we
have to have a strategic strategic.
Which do the necessary components of testing, meaning.
Technology and the reagents the chemicals that we need in order to do the sort doktor Jeffrey golf
from the Atlantic. Has a question Jeffrey. Thank you. Meagre
I'm curious you re a leader in american medicine. I would love to get your honest, blunt assessment of
american government response today, and there is
of the Ohio leaders. Can you give us that, yes, I think be
our federal government is obviously started to be more and more responsive with time
and I visited we'd with several healthcare leaders White House several weeks ago, and I have to say that a response from CMS and if FDA has been very
very good, there's Dave, listen to us and they have taken our suggestions into account and they were implemented,
in short order here in Ohio
started very very early hour governor has been very proactive measures, measures of the social distancing where implemented early.
What I can share, we do at least over the last four or five days. As you know, as you can imagine, we met a whim measure, the number of patients who are infected and track it on a daily basis
we are seeing some encouraging signs, meaning that the number of patients who infected here in Ohio seem
be relatively stable or it's growing at a relatively slow pace. We certainly hope that this trend,
continue by this is still too early to tell will need another week or so to see whether we are flattening,
effectively or not so doctor
for you go given that you run this renowned hospital- and you also this coming in January and began preparing I'd like to ask you a little bit about the guidance that we're getting
from the top level of the government, the fifteen
is too slow. The spread has been moved to thirty days to slow. The spread is that realistic, given what you know about this virus.
We'll be. The answer to that. Is it really depends about how effective our measures of social distancing are going to be dead will be in
on one side dependent upon aware when are they implemented, and the debate
God known is how far his disease spread with
snowing before so
the least thing was put in place so
the time line is really challenging. Modeling
their actions are telling us that if we are able to flattened the curve to some extent,
We are expecting the peak of this disease, at least here in our home state of our higher to occur, sometimes between mid may and
the June with the gradual.
The decline in the number of cases stores midst.
Did you lie. This
the worst case scenario.
Case scenario MID July see
president of the Cleveland Clinic Doktor Tom Mahal know how a bitch thank you so much for being on the show. This,
learning. Let's turn now to morning Joe chief medical correspondent, Doktor Dave Campbell, Doktor Dave. Where are we let's go down the list here? Where are we with the shortage of ventilators? What have you found world? The
United States overall has enough ventilators
Today, but the
it concerns in the next few weeks developing a need that cannot be kept up with so this week. The president has
again invoke the defence production act as it relates.
Two ventilators and Admiral Paloma check
on told us some of the timeline for that there, anticipating a hunter,
thousand ventilators being produced, but in the end
stop this month in April. It will be several thousands in
It will be several thousands and then there's going to be a bit
number that start to get produced by June and whether that is quickly impulse
or how their spread out. I guess we will see soon so if they have a
judge what our hospitals plan to do cause. I would assume that this is hard to gauge. It isn't
The rolling wave of Need Governor Cuomo pointed this out very well this week as hot spots, cool back off
and their need for ventilators, which is still ramping up in New York City there, not at the apex yet and ventilators once used. Tint
several weeks, so what's a patient goes on a ventilator there, often on
several weeks so that the tailing off,
need for ventilators is a little hard to predict. So
Take Miami as the example: they have a lot of ventilators right now and they have scaled down.
The use of the hospital for elected procedures there ready for this wave to hit them
the question will be as that wave tapers back away and other parts of the country needs ventilators. Can they be
purpose from areas like New York, maybe they'll be tapering off later.
Spring and in the summer that's the hoped for everybody, Doktor Dave Campbell thing
you very much? I will see you again on Monday and still ahead. It is a striking cover in the new republic. How President's Trump
and G set. The stage for that
Rona virus pandemic will talk to the author of that peace just ahead on morning. Job hey! It's crises this week in my pocket, wise, is happening I'll, be talking with computational biologist, Carl Burg Strum. But what we do and do
know about the corona virus once these things get out there, and this is kind of sort of a key aspect of misinformation, and this information is the once they're out there. They really
they often they spread, and so Jonathan Swift said several hundred years ago that
switch flies and truth comes limping after and and that's what happens on the internet, of course, that there is a more recent version
which is known as Brando in his book, they cemetery principle, and it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up both does an order of magnitude larger than the amount of work it takes to create it
So we definitely see that sort of thing happening with all kinds of conspiracy theories, including this one around the virus that this week on. Why is this happening? Search for? Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe
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