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scream at him and he just even more loyal willie. I would love to show you. The paper over carefully list does the paper, Good morning joe, I just quickly like what is this front page come on. I've put that down I guess our self sports straight time, Ralph, wouldn't forgive him or what they do is going on, but they do it. You know you can it's just that time of year for the those new yorkers moving right along so someone new york city, and what do you know? I was simple country lawyers I may caveman lawyer, some people have said as well

but even I don't know, there's a mediocre cave man lawyer, you generally ride with that mediocre, boston, red sox, awhile. Aren't you every single day? today I see a new, so I know is that I have done in recent years old. We need medio, correct. Think, that's a good one! I like that solar or father Does me stunning? Recent provisional calls me a mountain of mediocrity. I'm just trying to figure out why you should be more insulted by We need merch to. We need merge landmarks, we do so so again I'm just a simple country lawyer, but I would think that an attorney. a new york city would not be screaming, a woman who is saying his client raped her and time and time again

as easing carol, was telling the jury. This is just a horrific story about how she was raped. Joe tacopina, it was was berating our yelling at her, the judge repeatedly and to call him off it was did it's not this, this rape, then this trial in involving a possible rape. going well for donald trump, well yeah the accounts from inside the court room from people who were there yesterday at Joe tack, subpoena familiar figure to a lot of people because he's been representing donald trump in the other case in manhattan, was effectively. Racing aging carol on this. Then she told the story of what she says happened to her in the ninety nineties. In that dressing room with donald trump and the judge. Finally, stopping to admonish tack. Opponents say: hey you'll, have time

in closing argument. Now is not the time for that sort of him, jack chiming in it and end interrupting e g carol throughout, in a way that the That was argumentative so by most accounts it pray ugly in that courtroom. Yesterday, danny you are neither a country lawyer, nor are you mediocre like me, so perhaps you can. You can just verify I further our friends at home, not good De l add somebody who could have been a rape victims on the stand was examined. Victims like this, it is really really difficult and you have to be very careful. It's one thing to cross examine a cooperate witness someone who is a criminal, testifying against a note and other criminal, then, can lay on the fireworks. But when you're cross examining a victim of sexual assault, you have to be extra careful. You still have to explore things like their ability to perceive their memory, whether or not there are motivated by something else. Right and of course, in this case, and it's not upon

to talk about, but you have to explore why she took so long to europe. with this. We know now that peat, that victims of sexual assault often never report, because it your reply said I mean it's pretty easy. At least she was scared. Sure I mean what what is the percentage of women who were victims of sexual assault, sexual abuse, rape that will not respond because they don't want to go on the stand, indeed be abused by the rapists attorney there. So little incentive for women to put themselves story that and to go on this. And there are so many questions. Questions of joy, events surrounding donald trump's choice to attack his accuser in this throughout this process, but just number one danny. Why it doesn't have a female lawyer that would The strategy. You're absolutely right, is not even showing up what and in a civil case you don't have to write? My theory here is that trump is essentially conceding this battle, because she knows that

already had a deposition. That's when sit down your under oath and you give a wide, ranging, essentially an interview but you're locked into your testimony and the way trumps. probably sees it far better to take my deposition, if I'm not their show during the video. Even cherry pick the the good parts for the plaintiff. That is far preferable than me. Taking the stand in open court and letting a plain of saturday take shots at me if that means he loses the civil case, fine, he probably thinks he's losing a battle, but his mind, winning a political. But really you nobody can jerry. Perky. Can cherry pick the access hollywood take, which simply reveals what his attitude has long been toward women and, of course, I think that's one of the reasons he didn't want to be in there because he was going to have to confront his own words. He was going to have to confront his own actions. Then again, right now think about it. We talked all these other cases that are going on right now. This may be a civil case, but this is a key

involving donald clotel, raping somebody ray somebody we talk about pay, our support stores. This is it. Where he has been accused by aging carol of rape, not even showing up his lawyer screaming at the possible rate victim It's not going well, It's not going well and that access hollywood tape by the way is admissible. It can be used in this trial. Therefore, we will be used in this trial by aging carols lawyers. The town, danny and I'm curious what you think of how this settles. Because it is a simple case and the standard is different. the tone from georgette graffiti yesterday was why and your screen, but this was so bad. Why didn't you scream out? She said I was terrified and know what to do. You know all the things that rape victims are

and harassed about. We heard that poor bloom yesterday, but what is the bar here for a civil judgment? Unlike a criminal trials preponderance of the evidence is probably the only burden of proof that can be expressed. Mathematically beyond reasonable doubt is the highest standard. It's our criminal standard. It is you know, as lawyers like me, will argue in closing it me it's such a high standard. It doesn't mean beyond all doubt. It just means, if you hesitate the way you might when you're looking at we'd buying a house or something like that, but propose The evidence could beaks. Basically, fifty one sent because it's more likely than not or its more accurately fit, point point our one percent, whatever the needle one way or another. So it's a much lesser bird, much easier to make out. That's why somebody cases settle because defendants their facing a very difficult burden and they'd rather manage that risk, and paying money, they know that they can not quantified today rather than

just some runaway juries verdict later on future, and then they have to spend more money appealing it. So the here is much lighter, but I have to say the tone me we could have been changed, but a defensive attorney in a case like this, whether its credit or civil, because this really is it mirrors a criminal case. He has to explore the credibility of the victim on cross examination, he has to do it now. The way you do it, you have to be. No, once you have to be polite, you have to be respectful of the witness. So that's the key and if you don't the jury's going to see that and they're not going to like it, so it is a needle. You have to thread, and I gotta tell you. It is hard to thread that I've done it myself. I don't know about that successfully, but it is hard and rather you know Joe tat being a you know, the attorney very well. He did

threatening needle yesterday, he just kind of kicked, opened the barn door and went in there was rising. How aggressively was and as particularly given clyde. Who knows has a tape. I dare say you just grab right now, You wanna write yourself just play the tape Any laugh about things levies in making these drugs on baby. My how to do this is how you do it. This was not jos, breast stateless pointed now now Joe tech subpoena, that is Mika. Also, some news would like say, ended up testifying after all of the twists and turns in the face, colleges in the protesting too much you testify. He always knew he was going to have to testify exactly. It was before a federal.

The grand jury investigating the january six insurrection says according to a source familiar with the matter. This is the grand jury that was convened by special council jack smith investigating former president donald trump. Efforts to overturn his twenty twenty election laws and stay in power to block suvs entered the courthouse garage run nine m yesterday, an entrance that would allow witnesses to head up to the grand jury rooms being seen by the public. The suvs left the courthouse about four thirty p m. NBC news has learned special council jack. Smith's team is particularly interested in troms efforts to try to block this sort of vocation of the election and Joe. I guess you know but not that naivete and may would say why. Wouldn't he want to testify about something so important a mean it. If, if you follow my,

Hence there might be a lot of things that you think are a little bit in a. Why did he served for trump for so long? But what was his motivation at the same time, if it was his commitment to the country, in his commitment to the country also to testify about this. Well, I listen. He he had to know his lawyers had to tell him from the very beginning cause we could have told them for their beginning you're going to have to testify, look at every one of these issues. The supreme court has all there'd been brushing aside assertions of privileged from the very beginning there. Going to stand in the way of any investigation regarding January the sex they again. Sixty three sixty four times in federal judges, even even federal judge You were appointed by the federalists. Society didn't buy any of the lies regarding the widespread election fraud there. just not playing so pants knew this, but he could look like there are locked, in wit, as for republican primary voters, what he did,

Hey you know, he's gonna have governed so that you're, the one with all the great deal J sources come on spill it right here. What knowing where are they going? I know a lot of people are like clear, mc ass, who says justice delayed is justice, denied. I understand this january six case is the most complicated doesn't seem like that obstruction cases is so complicated on the documents. What talk about the video jays pacing of of their invested? since I think it's picked up a lot under jack smith, the law The most important, generous six witness in terms of you, know trumps me inside his intent is my pants. They had all the conversations, did tromp knowingly pressure him too. Overturn the results of the election? You know, should he did he know, or should he have known that this was illegal? So this is an. It was a big step forward. I'm glad pence did this. I think he does. credit for twenty nine january sex in others. Talk of you now and then

Structural case is also very clear case, so I think you could see jackson if you now doing something being indecision this summer. But I don't think he is going to be busy summer. It's going to be a very busy summer, but he's been very aggressive on all these fronts january six and that the classified documents danny. I'm curious. You take not only on this, but also in all other cases. It is of popery. There are four out of it. trump's, I will tell you what but I've seen in pulling at and it makes sense actually is, and we will get the obstruction he did something abiden pen stettin do there's something about that. George case really rankles voters. You look at Paul's and they go yeah, we hear the phone call where he's talking. one of his supporters, he sang rig their sole action. Just get me enough votes to overturn it that's coming this summer, the documents case most

Finally, coming this summer, ensure january six may be after all of that cause. It is such a complex case, but But how do you see all of these things lining up understanding, we're gonna be election mode by late august early september, we the twilight zone because we may be thinking about what courts will prioritize their criminal prosecution of a former president over there? steer and how will these its decide whether or not to have trial before or after the election. I mean it's really not always just up to the court's courts will work with litigants, so the real question becomes one the litigants one. What is trump one? What is the government want? they indict, I'm going back. George you're right, I mean I always thought that georgia presented a real threat and that's because I never imagined that new york county are the manhattan. The ape raised any threat just my opinion. I didn't think that was. That was not a case that

hi on my list of potential. Anyway, you let, let's go back to that cause. We asked the then why did you bring that? I give you was going to breathe If Alvin bragg was going to bring that I expected more as he said now a year before it comes back later on thing were eight hundred forty seven million council of a felonies, there has to be something there right. There was nothing and that nothing that he didn't have. The year before when he decided not to go forward. If you figure that out exactly right and all the counts were related to hush money, payments which I think are hugely problematic, because this was a She called a task force of really brilliant people, including me, comrades, who wrote a tell all book about which gave me really for me: was like a groundbreaking event because you, for the first time a defence attorney like me, gotta look. The inner workings of a task force of really brilliant process. And what did you find one?

find out where divided reading it in reading it. I found that these well, according to more tolerance that the he confirmed summit, I always thought was true that prosecutors. What federal our son, Your psychologically reluctant to indict afore were present. That makes a lot of sense. So what did he indicted former president a year later, when you didn't have any new evidence? Well, that's why I don't that yet that poor, that's the part we don't get, and I understand that prosecutors of prosecutors are judged very much on their winds and losses and go after the most difficult defendant of all time is a scary prospect. I don't blame Maybe that explains the waffling back and forth, but ultimately I mean, if and according to palm variants, was in the no camp. What brought him back to the yes camp. if he did it, they were investigating all these other things like new york, equivalent of the rico statute. violations, waiting your value for loans and deflating it when it came to paying taxes. Why were

those in their? Why are we only dealing which, with hush money payments and if the answer is as promised We only like layups, we only like sure things. We only like things. We know we can prove. I don't know that. That's a good enough answer for me, because if you spend that much, I'm investigating him, and you think that he did something wrong. Then you should indeed that's kind of the thesis upon her answers, but don't shy away from a difficult prosecution, raw and instead we have all these mould. what counts and till the very end, Joe. I held out hope that their be something in addition to the hush money payments, because I've always thought they were problematic as a process yeah and willie again, there are so many strong cases against donald trump, the obstruction case. I'm sorry it's easy for me to say from the cheap seats that looks like a slam. Dunk the obstruction case looks like us, lamb dump georgia, man the fact pattern horrible for donald Absolutely honourable vega taves! It's not good! That's not gonna end well, so again,

kind of wonder why Alvin brag, if he didn't have anything else in just stepped back and let these strong cases move forward. I mean just thing for a second, as you said, unless it is conversation, your watch, you know what we're talking about is a former president. Knighted stay right. Just in the first twenty minutes of this shall listed for five. Now These civil re, proud different cases that this guy is in the middle east and we re not run for resident job rape trial that civil rape, trial, hush payments, porn stars rigging an election in georgia that they get caught on tape and lying to the d o j make amerika great again. I think night work. we're taking documents to your beach club in florida. We can add that to the list as well, so

if you went on a road trip and you didn't stop for a big mac or drop a crispy fry between the car seats or use your mcdonald's bag as a placemat, then that wasn't a road trip. It was just a really long drive bottom up at participating, mcdonalds le maire. You wrote the book on this. The big lies. We get back to my pencil testimony. grand jury yesterday, its the remaining everyone, what he knows what he might be able and willing to share with the grand jury. In this case he did it oh said: offer that token pressure refusing the subpoenaed down tromp fought against a subpoena the court's again and again said now. You have to show up in my pants knew that but went through, space it to show he was at least pushing back a little bit. I guess! But what do you he shared yesterday. What did he go through in those days awry? january six and leading up to january twentieth. Yet, first of all, I think

the right analysis of the political calculation in the year. Twenty twenty three depends: china have play it both ways, no one really cool sure what his lane isn't. A geo pre primary buddy needed to be seen as fighting back against avian bite, justice department in an investigation hence donald trump, so that that, even though they sort of inevitable, we would get to this point and he would have to testify. Might pants was, of course, at the center? of the scheme to overturn the election, the trump and his allies in the is worth reflecting back on this, and I do cover this sensible in my book in those days at the election, when it seem very clear that their initial the child is working to go anywhere. The his team cock concocted scheme after scheme in terms of how they could overturned action on a lot of them centred on after a few weeks, this idea of subduing fake electorates having the states put other electors. Fourth, before congress therefore having those thrown out and have the house of representatives potential then fraught with mike pence helping,

fro the race to donald trump and my pants was pressured. He was pressured by trump. He was pressured by others and trumps orbit. We know that he pence consulted former vice president dan quail as to what to do to quell remains an unlikely hero of the republic here and and painstaking work anymore down. First, I hope all on online doesn't have an awesome. saviour of republic, damn quell Yes, doctor not being facetious ear, legged, It's a thing, and I'm so glad you said David that that MIKE pence deserves he was credit for it. He stayed in the capital liz views to live it or saw the you know the certification about Winston churchill had one good year, he's a western civilization? brains out a good day. Save american democracy, but thanks dan quail eggs really did Dan quayle,

good gonna lie here. I ironically, I had that I was thinking about dan quail. During this conversation I had the exchange from bob Where did bob cost? Is both pull up? Jonathan, the mere I'll be brief, but over and over pants, ass. If there was anything he could do quail told him quote mike, you have no Flexibility on this none zero! Forget it put it away: and then he goes on to say that my, said my weight. You don't know the position I mean dank well said. I do know the position urine. I also, but the law. Is you listen to the parliamentarian? That's all you do. You have no power, end quote from wow bill its grey and will encourage very worried and well was right, and but what pence is has repents can offer it perhaps to Jack Psmith in his investigate

he was the only person in the room for some these conversations, particularly in those last days. We know on january fifth, trump and pants had a one on one conversation. Pence can testify as to what was said. What efforts donald trump, on the eve of the insurrection. What he said depends in that last ditch effort. We also there is one far from call the next morning, so that is why pants can detail everything that we sort of no already from other members of this play. Other people and trumps orbit repentant pence alone can speak to those relations and the trumps mindset just the hours before the insurrection, You know rapid in scarlet, country days, clear, bumper sticker that we sold and it said my other cars and, as you ve earned it will pardon scarborough country here morning, we ve got to bumpersticker Soria one and quail was right. I heard someone say there s and to show scarborough is both

stunningly superficial and actual slay media, that's a good one, but that one or maybe a hoodie already Joe it's gonna, be out right now die only superficial on the back morocco clay mediocre on the front. Yes, minister, livery from thirty wrong, what is going to bury the dead wood is critical about. What we just talked about right is that the court- Our conversation also meant that parents was put on what is this is the wrong man, drug, has asking me to do it's a say. Well, we guessing when he was told our former vice president? Let me guess, I guess: there's no flexibility! So pretty the Jews not only between trump and allow for himself because you have a witness in the choir. I told him this was the law asked rising prices.

meagre? I was on my word or of mediocrity. I may have It's there, but did you ever apologized, danny forgetting rust, getting the rust set me right when we get the position energy than we did you ever ever. Apologia gives you I pretty badly when when he said that these charges should never been brought. Yeah. I did say that during the day- and we just one on the ground through, we do a split, we're we're good. That's: how long are we all with all I'd, do anything to say to damage this morning, but I'm sorry danny. Yeah Micah, I'm wrong. Almost all the time. This! It's that broken clock analogy is I happen to write about rust, didn't make us defense if Alec Baldwin and his wife had not opened their big mouths and the after they probably would have avoided, get it

I wonder about that. Probably true! Listen, I can't tell you any criminal defensive tongue attorney will tell you that Client has ruined their case by opening their mouth either before or after they're arrested happened to me, it's happened to everyone now danny hedge I was just going to say the least. We we should name an honorary southerner you're that false modesty shows what we d j b zile on her heart, always right, never right! I'm alright twice a day. So we do in this out. That's false modesty, signal an art form but danny yeah an honorary sudden eureka, stand his heart. He was right and- and I was stuck on the whole guns safety issue, because I had been taught all my life about gun handling and how you just never point a gun. So at some

but yet danny, you know the law. That's why we have yonder is thank you so much for being on this morning. it's so fascinating when I went to poland and we and when we spoke with survivor, thou would cost that's now I know this will be hard for some people on the tree. Bright? To imagine that cap all has now been sort of we charged as the people's house is the survivor. The holocaust survivor marsh was saying when we look at the united states capital on january, six and we saw how you fought back, not just that day by day after day after day. He said, I knew exactly what you americans were doing and you weren't just I for yourself, you want just fighting your freedom. You are fighting for all of our freedoms, and he looked at us and he said I know what I'm talking about. I know,

how tyrannies began and that's how here he's began hard to look at that capital. Without thinking about, Not just the sacrifice of the people that day, but the professionals who actually enforcing the rule of law a day in and day out across amerika to our lied about who were abused who, who some better the former president. Nodded states tries to get there now, out there fbi agent, some names out there the people on other networks tried to get fbi. Just names out there to put their lives at risk and their families life at risk. Well, there patriotic work. It's being noticed spring noticed not just in amerika from people who love freedom, across the globe. Speaking of loving freedom, speaking of fighting western democracy, fighting fighting for freedom actions and

for freedom of the press, because this is something also marion talked about when we were over in poland. On the eighth anniversary of the Warsaw ghetto uprising talked about freedom of the press talked about how critical of free press was to pushing, back against the constant lies, which brings us to Evan curse, given in jail on both his charges by a regime that actually expects one day to be admitted back into the world community. But what can you tell us, whereas this right now, so yesterday that levers always very dear background. Obviously you ve been through yes help myself long ago in the taliban, avengers division- incredibly brave, wonderful, thirty one year old reporter, Yesterday, the? U s! What sanctions on efforts be? The russian intelligence agency for holding Evan Paul

wailing and other americans been held for nearly five years, and I also put sanctions on iraq, intelligence agencies, others three americans currently held in IRAN, my friend jason, residing in another journalists, and it is about silencing the press. It's about democracy, it's about freedom of information. This is a struggle against talk about whatever was doing. Why was rewarding on? He was showing that the impact of these sanctions on the russian economy is doing nothing wrong. I've met countless friends of him there. He's an amazing guy was so proud of how he stood in court there, and looked so so strong was great to see brittany greener, play basketball again smiling yesterday, but also saying how she's thinking of him. So fifty three americans held a broad right now, most of them by authoritarian regimes around the world. These sanctions are a step to try to deter that to set as a cost to do this, but this is gonna be a long struggle, but this is part of the fight for mockery of our fight for freedom, rather, a fight for the free press, a fight that too many people in this country don't appreciate

two men- they don't appreciate it and our governments, brittany, cause gratuitous. well brittney granite, came the national networks, convince many young time. She's really come out again you cannot imagine the trauma and and what ever I must be going through cause, you guess sense around brittany did she just doesn't want to talk about what is to be like tat and in a rush in prison for doing nothing shall only appeal to our audience. Those we have to keep fighting. For those that are left in russia. An as mention averages average. Don't just fight for me cause on black fight firemen, and I and I good sense. She knows what he's going through without saying people need to really deal with, and journalists all over the world ought to be standing up for now. Fight for

and don't forget- gave all dozens of russian journalist being held, also local journalists all around the world that so we really wants to silence all right so so Jonathan wellmere, a what what's the white house his plan on Evan This is a weekend where they shine a bright spotlight on it is the white house correspondence dinner tomorrow night. She'll be nationally. Televised evans family will be guests of the wire to cessation there, the president will meet with them. The president is going to in his speech tomorrow. Maybe some humorous remarks off the top, as always, but then he's here a very serious pitch about the importance of the freedom of the of the press, the importance the first amendment and going to call again for ever and to be sent home in, and there is some hope here that there could be some starts of talks down the road, but the russians are thrown out optimal after obstacle, in fact, soaring love. Roth joy fit this week about some russian journalist who didn't get a visa to travel with him to new york to cover his appearance at the unit

and nations and now is boring a consular visit with Evan in moscow with us officials there, the ambassador there, so there is at this moment no signs of progress, but the white house is going to try to use this weekend to again shine a spotlight on on how unfortunate and unfair in illegal, the situation is high were going to be following this story. If you went on the trip and you didn't stop for a big mac or drop a crispy fry between the car seats or use your mcdonald's bag as a placemat, then that wasn't the road trip, it was just a really long drive bottom up at participating, mcdonalds and were also following the battle for access to abortion. The nebraska legislature is unlikely to pass a sick wake. Abortion ban, lawmakers fell just short of one vote needed to break a filibusters of the bill. Probably won't move forward this legislative

session. The measure would have banned abortions once a heartbeat is detected. Republican governor, Jim Pelon is in favour of it and called yesterday's vote unacceptable. This is the second straight ear. Nebraska law makers have failed to pass further abortion restrictions, the procedure as currently allowed up to twenty weeks of pregnancy. Meanwhile, south carolina state centres have again rejected a bill that would have banned, they all abortions in the state, six republicans voted against Legislation yesterday would have banned the procedure at conception with exceptions for rape or incest through the first, Trimester fetal abnormalities or in the fetus or, if one, one's life is in danger. Republican female senators took the floor to voice their opposition, saying that, while they are pro life, they feel this bill goes too far some of the preaching

has sounded- and I just have to point this out- some of it. Has sounded. condescending, demeaning code and touching no matter, the intent they are millions of women. Millions of women in this state he feel like they ve, been Parsley address and legislation, there are millions of women who feel like they had not been hurt and that's why I'm standing up here this long, but I don't want any woman to have abortions Have another senator sit there and tell me that pro lies because I don't say women can ever have an abortion, It's crazy, I don't want any women have abortion, but most certainly they should be allowed to have some access to what this from Andersson has already admitted is health care is about real people

with real lives The real challenges that require I urge them to make real decisions. That are best for them and their families. Reproductive rights are human rights. Abortion is currently legal in the state through twenty two weeks of pregnancy. This is now the third time since the supreme court overturned roby wade that ain't near total abortion ban has failed in this south carolina senate to keep trying but joe, you know I republicans are missing their nose in front of their face, because these are realities that will come to home or a family near them a woman, has a problem and cannot get the health care she needs. We just showed our show. Yesterday, a woman from Texas nearly died, and she

To wait until a hospital board decided whether she was sick enough. Get a termination, so she nearly died and life was on the line. The baby, it's not gonna make it and she's way. eating and which she septic and she's waiting for a hospital bored to decide whether or not she can receive healthcare. Some Shocking is astounding is one of the report. Legislators said women said in south carolina it's out of the hat maidstone. You have men telling women what they can. can't do their violence even when they are close to dying Is that an end- and I will say, aside from all these personal tragedies and and and these old man telling young women what they can do were there,

These are, as I said this past week, These seven year old bachelor with notes, drawn from south carolina screaming. abortion and, and and and banning abortion. This is a real and in terms of political truth, on its head, we had tip O'Neill famously saying that all politics is local. I get that as a politician. I get that, but this is a case where all politics as national. You extreme bam passed in Nebraska. It wasn't. But if an extreme ban is power asked then that congressional district in omaha that gives up one. Electoral vote every year, either every four years either grow republican. Our demographic, you watch, that's got one bright, blue women in taxes, people

accessing, I will we can do whatever the hell we want to do here on abortion. We can make women second thoughts Fourth class citizens, even one but who are pro life are saying this makes no sense. This extra, this extreme Anyone who almost dies in taxes That's a story: that's read by women and men who give a damn in the philly suburbs and the atlanta suburbs and wisconsin in michigan, pennsylvania in and then these horrible stories in foreign and by the way everything's. it is gone forever. Take a deep breath. Keep giving more extreme republicans and guns keep getting more extreme on abortion. I got news for you people from, north northeast in the mid west. They, common the florida for toad, abortion bands and for

urging women die in bathrooms because or hasn't decided whether they can they can operate on a woman and save her life. Tellier lace, these these these state legislators are at their small districts and what they do, I understand is that you're creating stories, you're being read across the nation three I said this after after easter. My profile family I don't want to know what percentage of them voted for trump there were miserly women turning septic right. They are able to have the healthcare right that would enable them to save their lives they all they all had that store. They all had those stories and they also this, is manage where pro life, but you can do

these two women. That's. Why you wanna keep women's health free in this country has to be referred to as women's health. This is about access to health care. It is about keeping the government out of health care when you to convene a board to decide on a medical procedure. That's life, saving that is exactly the opposite of what founders would have wanted. It's exactly the opposite What conservative should want if they dont want the governments involved in every field, set of their language and I'd I'd, told people this. Since I saw your folks groovy ahead, the trunk people in georgia, at one guy, there wasn't a conspiracy theory. This guy wasn't all in for a one after another after another. But then you ask him about abortion. Are you pro life in any? He said and it was just one of those moments. I remember Halperin and Heilemann had a focus group in two thousand and sixteen,

They ask this woman who was was blue collar. Tattoos. Looked like just look like shit the opposite, zoo answer, the opposite of what a trump butter would be, what he thought it trump voter would look like, and she said he's one of us and at that we all look at each other and said: okay, this guy is got something. This guy's got something going when I saw your focus group, and this trump guy who was in on all the conspiracies. You ask him about abortion. Does. Why should Have an opinion on abortion sought from a man I have no say in this. It's kind of like that. Curtain tour in half and you could actually see into the mind of the american voter and that's what we ve seen in kentucky sense. It's what we ve seen in kansas, so it was constant what we're gonna see across amerika and that's where most republican voters are. They are not a stream on this issue, the way there

Stream have hijacked the parting, just as they have with gun rights to they republicans want to have a strong second amendment. Necessarily support high volume magazines. If you look at the polling, if you talk to republican voters about what measures they actually support. There's plenty about the gun all right now that they think here we could have better background checks right, but you look at how it's been hijacked by extremists. on the right with guns in particular, and then with abortion You see how what's happening on the left. It would be like if medicare for all and if I've been the police, stop please no defined the police. Is that She had some success it just in these. Poles have completely taken over the conversation are dominating in a way that is not reflective of where american voters

hey joe, as you know, there are many many republicans who understand this. They understand that these laws are bad for women number one, but number two bad politically. One of the women, a republican state senator we just heard from their turn to Senate majority leader in south carolina man whose pushing this ban and said you are taking us off a cliff on the issue of a boy and she addressed the women's issues. Side of it, the medical side, but then, sir time at the politics, you are driving us off a cliff, and you know who agrees with her donald trump rather than the term elections when he posted and said we lost now alive. This was him in the heat of himself, but he did say we lost because of the where issue he understands that he criticised rhonda santa's for signing that six week abortion ban. There are people who get this. The question is: will they stand up pushed back on it and at least in south carolina nebraska yesterday they did republicans did right. after roe is overturned, Donald trump, Freaking out we heard reports from people around Donald trump said:

is going to be a nightmare in the suburbs this is gonna, be a nightmare among more energy, The voters and I mean he was absolutely right. he did a point. The three justice is Joe that right overturn roe, vs wade so he's having a both ways there, but yeah there's that nobody ever suggested. Donald trump was consistent on anything. But you you you. You look David, you think about this. And just to show how much republicans or out of step these, especially these extreme republicans these the republicans Joe Biden, would say. if we had in a bill clinton references when I talk to him in belfast last week, if every state had a referendum on abortion, if every date had a referendum on universal background checks. If every state had a referendum on red flag laws, if every state,

had a referendum on restricting not not right, banning but restricting the sale of military style weapons. Forty five forties I'm serious forty six, forty seven of those fifty states would pass a majority, of those referendums requiring universe so background checks requiring recall, erin red flag laws recross requiring restrictions on military style weapons making that women have access to health care, it wouldn't be close, and this is republican parties from they get these state legislators and governors going the extreme extreme extreme right and they're gonna end continuing to destroy the national party? I have two daughters, the classic dad I've had a thirteen year old and an eight year old, they are doing active. You know,

Or drills and their school, this is how they ve grown up. Will they have the right to and what so amazing again. This is south carolina and nebraska, but you had to republic women standing up in the state senate. As republicans and fighting back is all politics as local. Their worried about you know losing their local election cause. That's how extreme this has become in it. Just is just dangers for the whole country. When you have the extremes driving the agenda. This way, I agree with you guns women's healthcare, their way out over their skis, rep is going to hurt them, no doubt about it, and I and I think, even in the faith community and I'm talking to people that are certainly pro life. When it comes to choices, they say this has gone too far and we can't get caught out alive is way. We legislate our religious beliefs and I thank them. They are really really.

the far right on this really seeing where the tone of the public We talked about it as they. Rather we are. We are living in an jerry farewells, america right now in the church, the evangelical church. Nobody wants to hear this. Everybody except that I grew up with one. I remind him of this. The southern baptist church was pro choice until jerry fall until Paul wiring. Until sure vagary she hill, they decided John would say: don't shoot me We, the piano player, they decided how do we want against a southern baptist, for reelection. How do we get evangelicals, not a vote for Jimmy carter in life team, eighty one we do jerry fall well, vagary Paul wiring said we, we'll make abortion a religious issue, and you can

look what richer lancer. So till do seventy nine or nineteen. Eighty southern Bab is focused on humans. Or breathing focus on humans it we're leaving. But then jerry, fall and to direct mail guys wanted to elect ronald Reagan said wait a second. Abortion is now an issue for conservative for republicans for evangelical I vote for Jimmy Carter vote for big business zack. I would have nothing to do with the EU. was about politics and how to beat well in these people, these people- they don't, go well elisa. Now you hear it well, not right on abortion, so you're, not a crime. Jim, so you're, saying that my grandma my grandmom, who raise your kids and the great depression and who live for Jesus. Twenty four seven wasn't a christian,

I'm just curious how we went from worth of Jesus to the text of the year? eagles broke up and abortion wasn't the pre eminent issue thing This think about this. Evangelicals calls were proud choice when the beatles broke up Evangelicals goals were brown choice. When the eagles broke And I was suddenly you talk to people and they tell you. This is how you too, in whether you're a christian or not cited that we actually know who decided that every fall well and male people who wanted to be the southern bad, this democratic and not ever? one really went along with it, though deep at the core,

I was in the southern baptist church in the air where it was all pro life and it became a single issue voter. They were successful in making this signal. Rind origin valise shown here, that's what that's the church, but I will never forget being intertwined sunday, and I was a kid. This was in the eighties and they put up on the screen at the end. Some pictures of partial birth abortion. I took my hand got me out there was a gas during well. The thing is, the thing is again. I've, said this time and again make a few or pro life I only understand why I've got so many friends who are pro life s friends, who are pro life, who who also believe women should make their choices on their health care, so you know, I'm not, I'm not going for people who say well

I'm a christian and because I'm a crescendo, I'm just saying they somehow, with christian nationalism, abortion has become the central tenet. The central tenet of evangelical the van angelica faith, and that didn't happen until nineteen eighty you know and when I bring this up before people will weigh the catholic church in the second century. Agar yeah, but I keep saying Jesus didn't talk about it in the gods. well, if you work when there was jeremiah anxiety you before you even book, Jesus didn't talk about it in the gospel. The catholic church said Jesus talk about it in the gospels, but So again you can rethink holes and so well. You know I draw from this. Is that the other it's kind of hard when you're for nearly every war when you want silly everybody to be executed when you die

we provide any any support today. once they are born, pro life from conception to the moment of birth. I don't, I don't think that's what Jesus man when he said let the chill little children com but I also think what we need to stress that most americans aren't for abortion up until the time of conception. So I think you're absolutely right in what you are, but I think that when someone pro choice activists in their well intentioned, but when they're saying abortion safe legal until it every phase of prey the most americans, don't agree, laying out of that still string, they american they are not there. If you look at the polls- and nobody will like this- if you look at where the consensus is it's about fifteen sixteen seventeen weeks just is again look again, that's just a reality? People pro choice, people who whatever but most

where can say, fifteen sixteen seventeen weeks with exceptions, and if you are looking at the event, jellicoe faith that the catholic faith you know, central tenants are forgiveness and kindness and love, and these positions are brutal, their brutal and cruel. They have women dying on hospital beds because they can't get the health care they need, so it just its mind whiling that happen They can hold on to this so tightly ass. They lose their voters David road. Thank you very much day that will be joining the NBC news family next week as senior executive editor covering national security,

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