Zelenskyy visits DC amid ongoing aid negotiations
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a bit late this morning with us. We have the host of way to world whitehouse, bear chief and political jonathan le maire. U s special correspondent for babies,
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member of nato, retired forced our navy, admiral james read us. He is cheap international analysed
and NBC news. Thank you all for bearing with us. Let's get to our top story. This
winning ukrainian president border rare zalewski, is here in the? U s
for the third time since russia launched its full scale invasion in February twenty twenty two he'll made with president by
at the white house to discuss his country's needs on the battlefield and the importance of a miracle continued support. President Biden has
I was just over sixty billion dollars and new wharton,
funding for ukraine as part of a national security package, but republican say that foreign aid must
we tried to additional funding and policy changes at the southern border. Will talk more about that willie
the tab senator on each side. Meanwhile, these talks Democrat chris murphy of connecticut republican james lang, furtive oklahoma, caution
yesterday a deal involving foreign aid and border measures that would make both sides happy may not be.
by the end of this week. Senator Murphy s call republicans demands in negotiations quote extreme an implausible, so linsky also expect
me with how speaker might Johnson and to deliver
arcs to a meeting of u S. Senators, in addition to his white house
visit, so admiral, sometimes high stakes. Its term
over use, but for presents a lansky. This is a very high state,
twenty four hours here in the united states. It absolutely is really- and you know, if you look at that tank photo
We just showed him. He looks worried and after
if I were the president of ukraine right now watching this unfold in d c, I'd be worried. They'd still,
got time. There is still plenty of armed men in the pipeline for another couple of months here, but the clock is ticking, make no mistake
since a landscape. This is indeed a high stakes, move I'm incur
each than on close on this I mean courage with the fao,
that is meeting with the entire senate in the end
willie. I think the centre will hold on this but boy we,
skating on thin ice contrast. This would visit, say last year, John, where you stand
nations addressed a congress, nay of some savary saying my schedule doesn't work. I can't be their centres who have said
they're fine, holding up the aid until they get a border deal that could push into next year. For sure I mean the visit may already be a failure. There there's very little chance that the deal is going it get struck this week,
intensity, of course, you're still going to apply public pressure. He'll stand next to the president president Biden at the white house later today that humans will hold a news conference, but senators flat out acknowledged yesterday publicly that a deal is not going to get done this week. It would take. It would take a real about face at the eleventh hour for something to happen. So if we weren't, if somebody doesn't occur, the next twenty four hours,
First, the side of the house will leave town at the end of this week. For the christmas recess
it'll be early january before they can reconvene and when they come back in early january. Suddenly the clock has also taking on government funding and a show
doubts or to be a lot of morphine laughed more things on their plate and to the admiral's.
whilst special tell me there's a problem.
Draw out of forty. The pentagon can stretch their resources a little.
pretty soon within a few weeks. They're going to this are going to start showing up on the battlefield and that can make a real difference. As russia is believed
the mounting a winter offensive stuff. You talk to people and capital held the last couple days. There not think it's almost certain that this will get pushed into next year that there will not be a deal because republicans
making the contingent on immigration reform
one can also you look what's happening in ukraine
have the urgency of the russians sweeping towards cave. You also don't have the pause.
The argument that, as olenska, can make that they're making
ground with russia there they're moving closer to the russian border. It is a deadlock
starting to hear that from some members in congress, yeah I'm innocent thing
headlines in europe at the moment, all that Putin is winning in ukraine and that certainly wasn't too
headlines that we were seeing off. They first launch this invasion. The reality of this counter offensive from the ukrainians, even
Their own admission is that it hasn't worked and politics is starting to creep up in ukraine. Two's olenska is facing me
this internally. None of that makes his visit to the
who s any easier and he's walk straight into an american political fight. We ve been saying for years ago that the problem for ukraine-
is that its own america's political timetable. We thought that was november. Twenty twenty four, it turns out to be december of twenty twenty three and this
between you know, progresses in the democratic party who are warning the white house not to cave to do more on immigration funding and those in the republican party were saying you ve got to do more on immigration funding. There is very low,
let's zalewski can say, while he's in
she turned to get round them,
and then there is the other war. Israel says it's prepared to fight for months or longer in order to defeat Hamas this
its troops have now gain control of more areas within Gaza city. The israeli military believes the region is the headquarters for the leader of Hamas. Officials are on a mission to find and kill him, meaning
The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is worsening in fact,
These diseases are ravaging residents, future overcrowding and shelter, scarce food, dirty water and little medicine hospital
sir, so overwhelming treating people who have been injured in air strikes Israel
officials say the amount of aid entering the strip, well double one say
Second screening station opens so many
question. Well, where do we began? There are more may we lay. Let's start with the humanitarian
in crisis there and the argument that if you give a dollar two
gazans and humanitarian aid you're, helping hamas
and then they might use that dollar for the war or that fuel you give and then rewind you know said well that's what they've done for years, then rewind to september right before the attack and the new york times is telling us that Netanyahu's government was telling Doha yeah keep giving hamas money, keep giving them money, keep it keep the spigot open,
was less than a month before the attack
and then they knew this was coming for a year and seven eight hours
Without a reaction I mean a lot of things are adding up here. The just show the most gross incompetence and yet Netanyahu's government.
And we keep hearing. Well, let's wait till the war's over. Let's wait till the war one year now
doesn't really make a whole hell of a lot of sense of all of his his
his actions over the past decade of got us to this point
and a few add to the mix of what you just lay down to the fact that many credit
report suggests that he's really
intelligence had the actual playing the actual blueprint of this attack
we're a year in advance. So it's still
three. When you add it to funding
Hamas and lack of
spawns, and I'm not an
the list of israeli politics, but I think that clock is ticking.
net yahoo justice, certainly as it is in a very different way on press
so linsky what I look for
in terms of gaza,
moment. Joe in mecca is the issue
the unitarian piece of this is beginning to
rise above in their concern bucket glow.
billy, and I think that that will have an impact on israeli operations going forward. Meanwhile, admiral you have real talking about the threat to the north with
It's and now we have these commercial ships and norwegian commercial shit
fired on by rebels, the hutu rebels around back rebels from yemen
as well. If you're, looking at this battle
field and your israel in united states helping israel. What do you see?
I'm worried and I'll start with his
lot to the north hundred in
fifty thousand surface to sir
this missiles, they are a creature
of iran and, if tale
decided to unleash that missile barrage. That's an existential threat,
to Israel. So I think, if
you're. The israeli defence forces your look and north with a lot
determination and that's why to american carrier strike groups are in the rear,
Jim to deter iran, and then you know
admirals going to mention it. Thanks for bringing up the sea these
the rebels are for real their trained their highly capable. Not only are they shooting missiles, commercial shipping they actually took down
marshall ship about three
weeks ago, twenty five mariners are being held hostage by these rebels again preachers of IRAN. Let's hope you
deterrence alongside israeli
termination can carried the day here and avoid this conflict spreading even more widely
and caddy there's been some discontent throughout washed and some grumbled within the pentagon about the by demonstrations. Not do more, not stand it more forcefully to some of these attacks
it dropped on american bases. Some of the incidents in the sea that we just made
they're in the? U s, of course, their official approaches. We
a dwelling to escalate, potentially a regional conflict. What
concerns there in europe about about that's that this conflict, spiralling out of control as public sentiment, death,
since we to be shifting against
Israelis are conducting their offensive in Gaza, so that public sentiment
words. Gaza has shifted in europe a while ago when it comes to the humanitarian
crisis in the strip. I think there's some of that. There is some
people here, who are saying you know, look there is a chance here, for
or we make of the Middle east that you ve got. These gulf states
and saudi arabia who have been meeting to talk about the future
of the area and that they
so invested in their relationship with Israel. At the moment they really want that to succeed, that they will try to do something, but that depends almost
was saying earlier on on Netanyahu going and on new leadership for the palestinians. I think it
that depends on whether in the Gaza strip, you have now created generations of people who have
anger towards Israel, that all they're going to want to do is
Come terrorists themselves. There are not if there, but there is, you know the potential. I think here, people
ok about it, and I know that talking about it in the middle EAST for some kind of remake after this is all over.
But while I mean it is complicated and those attacks against americans, that's how
far IRAN doesnt seem to want to get involved in this. But it's the kind of mistake that if the hoof
bring really do attack americans, it's that kind of a mistake that could
to this widening
at most reader some as requested we ve been asking for for over a month now, and we don't get any answers we settled,
I'm getting the answers from
israeli leaders from milk,
terry leaders, from intel leaders. We don't getting answers some supporters of israel when they come on. The show
just curious if you've heard any explanation at all
There's a school shooting in america. Three minutes late
police are arriving
ten minutes later they shut down the whole community. That's schools,
down and for five minutes for five minutes
nine eleven happened. First responders got there three minutes later
three minutes later. You know
I'm going, but we have to go there. I need an answer. You need an answer at your bathroom spending. Billions and billions of dollars
the israelis I want to know- and I'm sure you want to know- and the families
I just want to know how in the world is it possible?
that a government that bases its
very existence on security
would allow people to be raped
and murdered.
Build an and
and drive it away and dragged away, but over seven
eight hours and not respond for seven or eight hours. What
what is there is no good explanation. What is the best one that you for? I have her
at zero explanation that what I have seen
finger pointing starting with the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who began with
blaming the intelligence services for failure. The idea for not showing up look
a lot of failure to go around and you are correct nine
I've been was our intelligence failure, but our risk
Answers on that day were profound. I was in
pentagon. I actually glimpse the aircraft as it hit the building a few hundred feet off to my right
inside the net
sting. I remember clouds
billowing smoke and here come the first wrist.
honours. Why that did not happen immediately in israel in terms of military first responders is something
The most senior leaders of the is right
defence forces, their intelligence services well
themselves for the rest of their lives, habit.
fail to protect or women
children are elders are very much.
wolesi agent. How did we fit really is just going to be like that? The vein,
they knew that's that
they knew what was going on. Willie
They knew it was going on, Netanyahu knew it was going on they
nothing you does
There is no good explanation, but we
an explanation- and we have a right to an explanation, not as much as parents,
children who were kidnapped rate in a
used and dragged off but seven
hours. Think about me
city shape on nine eleven after the gates were bridge. First,
while they sit there and they have this wall. This
currently wall and it's broken down and again they get through.
About that point in Y yeah. No pity cabs would be there and
you'll be all over instead
let them run across Israel. Four seven, eight ten twelve thirteen hours
being women and killing grandmothers burning little children they
do nothing. They do
nothing really. I how. How could it be,
I don't have the answer and apparently no one does, because we ve had its really officials. As a couple of days ago, we put the question to her. Mika did as well again and again and the
Sir, is exactly what we heard from prime minister Netanyahu. There will be a time and a place to talk about.
Tell her to do say it
failure. We failed
to root out Hamas. Will we'll talk about it later? There's no answer. If that's the answer, that tells you what the answer is there isn't one?
they're gonna. There were idea of soldiers killed that day. There were people bravely fighting, but when you have people hiding in closets for toys,
four hours in some cases, waiting to be saved, there's got
a better answer. Then we'll talk about that at another day.
And that's all they do maker. I mean there's an intelligence failure and then there's
response to
tat group of tests. I mean what that, by the way Netanyahu had been funding weeks right up and
weeks before the attack and terrorists that the israeli government will tell you live and breathe
one in four hours a day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days a year to kill you so why? What do they give them money
hundreds of millions of dollars, and this is a question and admiral when you don't have an answer to a question when there are
no answer to a question. It would be if a light was calling in slow motion
right on top of willie's had their next to you and you saw it and you sat there. Is that a mistake on your part? Four?
what is it? It's complacency its avoiding waiting
our conversations and its
absolutely time to begin unfair
I what happened. I disagree with
prime minister Netanyahu that they can't
begin now to answer those questions and they have to because in a couple of months
they are going to need to step back from Gaza at some point and
We create a security border around it. Having watched this one
feel so, egregiously and final point. I think a lot
israelis realized part pardon this joan mika.
Their own internal divisions, their own food,
inside their society, the constitutional crisis, all of them
lands on the head of benjamin net yeah
hired admiral james to bring us. Thank you very much for being on this
morning. We so appreciated, and until had on morning, Joe donald trump has now claiming
He was only joking about being a dictator on the first day about possible second term, but
next gas says everybody should be taking his rhetoric seriously plausible
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around the scientists, responded and social media yesterday to something from a present trumps said over the weekend on site
they trump claimed that in two thousand sixteen a military general praised trump for his bravery.
this decision to debate Hillary Clinton shortly after the access hollywood tape was released. A class,
ex sir story from the former president.
We were doing really well, but this one particular event came up, and I said you know if we get out it's a start
I went on to that stage just a few days later,
a general is a fantastic general actually said to be, sir. I've been on the battlefield,
Men have gone down on my left and on my right, I stood on the hills with soldiers were killed, but I believe the bravest
I've ever seen was the night you went on to that stage with Hillary Clinton. After what happened,
In response to those comments, dissenters who was a military better and accuse trump of quotas
integrating military service he added debating
brave it's the bare minimum any candidate should do hiding from.
on the other hand, is an example of cowardice and quote from governor dissenters. Join is now special, corresponded vanity, fair host of the fast politics, podcast
friend, molly John thats. What about a classic trump?
he loves a sir story any time, someone that he respects or is in power even if invented
calls him, sir. He can more fat into a story by the way
and then any the debates. Yet that says a general three star call him brave for showing up and twenty sixteen. You know
If I were around these scientists, I would not be bringing up debates because he kind of god his lunch handed to him by gavin newsome,
He was there. He would Jima today in the debate today
saint louis point. Sixteen
that we will all wherever as examples of bravery, I mean just nonsensical from donald trump, but as far as what it means
we can primary. It means exactly nothing because two scientists, anytime he's taken a quick hit trompe backs off
day later. None of these attacks tend to stick and non friendly, make a difference in the polls that, obviously, I guess, good
sanders for saying what is true that donald trump was grossly offensive of these comments and did denigrate military service. But it's not gonna change directory
race at all and, if anything shows a little panic on the descent decide. Where he's. Finally changing tactics when it does look like Nikki haley has the momentum as the anti trump contender, but even momentum needs to be put in quotes because
about thirty four exhausted and io, of course, is where the scientist has put all of his eggs and he's down thirty thirty five points in most polling, so molly, your new piece of vanity, fair's, titled, Donald trump's dictator,
promise is no joke in it. Molly writes quote over the past week, Donald trump promised to be a dictator on two different occasions. Sadly, that's not a completely annexed.
The sentence to right, given that he and his allies have not been shy about planning
and second term, from installing mega loyalists throughout the government to using the department of justice to target political enemies
news host Sean Hannity. First blame the media for focusing.
Scary second term agenda asked under no circumstance
your promising america tonight you would never abuse powers retrim.
against anybody. Trap responded quote except for day. One end quote
We find ourselves molly rights at a precipice with trump making his autocratic tendencies crystal clear, the news,
Media needs to take him literally an seriously, especially as is anti democratic impulses, have infected the rest of the party republicans
purge those in their ranks who has sided with democracy over tromp like Liz Cheney,
sounding the alarm, while elevating an election denier like MIKE Johnson to speaker of the house. It is
for the media to warn voters of the stakes of this election, one of which is whether there will still be democratic election soap.
We ve been focused on for the last several weeks here and they show the atlantic has had a series of peace to say hey. This is what a second term would look like and I do think most
people understand that in twenty sixteen he couldn t do it
the things he was claiming it was going to do. He just being brach has been donald trump for the apprentice. We liked that he's going to shake things up now. He's got a record.
Run on and now he's on the record promising it will be well.
from his own lips, is promising. It will be worse there and he has institutional back now right. Here's the heritage foundation, saying they're gonna fire all government employ you know not all government employees but they're, going to try to make the use of the government and in ways that we had
even sort. I dreamed of the thing I'm so stupid
is it feels like the mainstream media is addicted to giving trumped the benefit of the doubt. Right now,
saw in twenty sixteen betty,
one of the stuff he wanted to do the autocratic stuff he just couldn't do because he wasn't able to write. He didn't understand how government worked this time
he's taken four years off and he's really got allies that are very smart and know how government works, and you see his plans, I mean the stuff they are saying
already. This list of their advertising is really scary. So imagine what they're, not advertise in caddy were already see once again, some of trumps allies try to cushion
he's saying all we didn't mean it like that. We had that from former speaker, my car
over the weekend, suggesting that near the trump would naturally fall through this new speaker at my
since yesterday was asked about this and said that he did not believe trump would be a dictator. Of course we wouldn't participate in. That
We have seen time and again republicans do embolden him. What's tell, why would any of us think that it would be
any different next time around, if transport take office again free
in the face voters again and also completely unchecked, where he could say I've been impeached twice. I was indicted.
Ninety one counts, and yet I still one so that
We know that there's a history of trump supporters saying that we tend to think things. We take
is that he says to seriously, and it was just a joke- and you know
as us where's the sense of humour of his critics, but actually, when you have
stations- and I know you do john as well with the trump campaign and I've had several. Will you ask them? What to do?
Second term would be like they're pretty clear
about it a minute they do want to radically change. For example, a department of justice pats one the most important bastions in terms of
guarding the rule of law of any
christine. They want to bring that much more into the purview of the white house. They want to seek retribution.
against those who have they believe in the republican party and in the democratic party who of attacks the form?
president. They say they want to take action against members of the press who they say have been too critical. So all of this,
look at the model of hungry and viktor Orban. You see echoes of all of that and they're pretty frank about it, so you know molly when you, when you talk to the trump campaign and that honest about what they are-
to do in they're, pretty clear about it. A new here members there,
with embodies saying. Well we're just you know we shouldn't take.
That seriously where's the disconnect that, because the trunk campaigns pretty clear about what they want to do, yeah
I don't understand how they're still getting the benefit of the doubt when it's so clear what they want to do and their advertising it. I mean it's just
a strange and I think, look today
all. Mainstream straight media wants to normalize things. They don't want to look like there being hysterical right. The worst thing you want, especially when you're sort of a straight news reporter, as opposed to being on the opinions that you don't want to look like you're b.
Part as an or over reacting, or you know, being making it
too much about your own point of view, but clearly we need to be focused on
restoration and the continuation of democracy and
and that is not a partisan issue. A meagre to your people, like Kevin, mccarthy and speaker, might johnson sort of wave away these questions. We talk about every day in the show. It's all these not really going to try to be an authoritarian. He already did he
to overturn the janni twenty election. And how did you do it with the help of the very few
were claiming oh, he would never do that so
his friends already in many ways are in place and if he loses the twenty twenty four election, you better believe that speaker might Johnson.
Constitutional law who helped to push the overturning of the twenty twenty election will be back at it again. I mean there are facts now to prove that has
send his intonation and his touching on things and end up being a hundred percent true, so it's worth believing him when he's joking or making crazy statement
and we want to get to the latest now about the woman at the centre of the latest abortion battle out of texas, and she has left the state for the procedure after days of judicial whiplash, K, cocksucker,
one year old mother of two sought an abortion after being told her twenty one we pregnancy was non viable and are a health was endanger. The fetus had a condition that would likely result in miscarriage or stillbirths. According to the cleveland clinic, her doctors warned her that, had she continued with the pregnancy, it could have jeopardized her health and also her future fertility because of this cox sought an abortion through the texas courts and was granted one on thursday, however
texas attorney general can paxton, who has no medical education fought the ruling in the texas supreme court. He argued that Cox did not meet the requirements for an emergency
abortion, and that the judge was not medically
qualified to make the determination, in addition,
breton to sue any medical professionals who was involved in providing ox with the procedure. As a result, the texas supreme court found
Cox. The situation was not enough for an exception and put her stay on the lower court's ruling. Again molly making this woman carry the baby to term. So if, if it survive the birth, it then would die
gasping for air in front of her. The mental anguish this woman has been put through is enough to put her in a deep depression
to make her extremely anxious, impacting the rest of her family, let alone the physical trauma that she was going through. A goin to the e are up to four times: elevated vital signs leaking fluid. I mean I'm sorry, I'm not a doctor.
But these are just facts that I am sure
sixty year old white male, far right wing trumpery can paxton, did not consider or didn't even worse, didn't care about as he fought this for whatever collects he wants to get or
work on the far right. This is not where america is
borscht. What he has to.
most americans, as this story gets amplified ness this woman has to run.
Away from the state of the art of taxes to get. They all scarcely needs what this is,
teaching america
what a miracle already most of it knows that abortion is not just some lazy woman who had sex by mistake, like can Paxton heads
acts by mistake with someone got someone pregnant and now needs to get rid of it. That's that's like crazy. This is health care
yeah. These are doctors saying. Unfortunately, we have to make this very difficult decision, because we need just
the life of the mother, and the life of this feeders is not viable so once again in texas, far right republic
this are showing americans just how sick and cruel they can be to women.
When they are seeking lifesaving healthcare,
If I were a woman in the state of texas. I'd be afraid
be literally afraid to lose my health care and my rights.
and I would add that cake cox prove to us that these exemptions are not true right.
We saw a woman having a baby
You know ninety nine percent chance of a miscarriage or dat's right after birth, and this too
said now right. This is the life
The mother right she's had been in and out of the hospital and this
it is saying will prove to us. Then you're really gonna die, I mean so I think that
What are you guys so important about this case? Is that it does? It really proves that these exceptions are not true that these bans that were built with the exception,
They are not really exceptions, they're, not really available and meeker.
kate herself says you know she's
fortunate enough to be able to afford to travel out of state. She has a support network that can help us
of course they are now scared. The
could come after them in Texas I mean this is the absurdity of hers.
duration, is even her husband faces some kind of legal retribution
If he help sir get an abode
and that she needs this is this is healthcare and winning cates case. She wants
family. She said she wants a big family. She wants this child. This is a health care situation,
her health will be at risk.
I was saying no republicans you speech and have said well, you know there are
sections that this should never happen. We shouldn't have
this is like this, but we have a case like
and it's going all the way to the top
of the legal system of the legal structure in texas.
and it won't be the only one. This won't be
only what we know. It's, not the only one of a woman who needs this health care. It's it's its basic health care to keep her health and high sequential is of trump
Vanity, fair is knowledge on fast. Thank you so much for me
this morning, we'll see you again very soon and coming up,
Smith is asking the supreme court to get involved in the federal election interference case against donald trump will explain.
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Joe s coming right back we're going through them
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special council jack smith, has asked the supreme court to step in immediately to decide whether, for president trump has immunity from prosecution for his actions and trying to overturn the twenty twenty election results in a filing with the who
court. Yesterday, smith stated it is quote of imperative. Public importance to the court, decided
question so trumps trial can move forward.
gathered in march under the timeline.
I was by smith. The court could hear arguments and issue a ruling in a matter of weeks if it does in fact assigned to step in
in a brief order issued just hours after smith, filing the court, ass trumps legal team to respond by december twentieth trunk campaign issue to stay,
an accusing smith of attempting to interfere in the twenty twenty four elect.
join. Is now former? U s attorney
MSNBC contributor, Barbara quaid and state attorney for palm beach county florida, Dave Ehrenberg community
barbara start with you? What do you read into this request from jackson? It is trying to sort of short, sir
the argument that might come from the trunk defence team here,
Yes, this is a really interesting strategy. I have say I didn't see it coming, but it is a really shrewd move on the part of jack Psmith he's trying to leap frog, the court of appeals, because if this,
were to play out in the normal course. There could be a delay
of many months, which would jeopardize that march fourth trial date, and so what
smith is essentially saying here is what we all know that
The kind of question that's going to the supreme court anyway, so there's no need to waste
time going to the court of appeals. It's a rare
really, but it's not
sudan. It it's happened forty nine times in the last hundred years, and it's happened. Twenty five
in the past five years, usually for cases
some urgency like covert cases.
or gerrymandering cases
when used for student loans, and so when times are
In essence, this is a move that makes a lot of sense
it's, not a problem, and it didn't seem certainly time- and this is an issue here, but
You read on the requests, but also bodies do you. Court rule was applied.
Development yesterday, when the court granted expedited review of the request, so that tells me that in line
thinking that this is our special.
Consideration. They know the stakes here and jack with those right to go to the supreme court, the dish, a court of appeal in the district of columbia, core appeal: they took their
I am picking weeks are determined the gag order issue of my fave took weeks on that. Can you imagine how long they take on this, and donald trump is now complaining that jackson was going to the supreme court would think he would want that
to determine whether or not he has presidential merely, but that's because it was never about immunity
always about delays too. We should also note that, of course, the supreme court has ruled against trump during some twenty twenty election cases, except for cards thomas, and we know, of course that
his wife has but has been outed as being properly involved in efforts to help overturn that electric there'll be calls for clarence thomas to recuse himself. Do you see any scenario where that would happen? Nope Clarence, thomas
has no shame. He's gonna stay on the court, he's gonna help decide
these issues, but he's why
of nine and it's been shown that even the justices that Donald trump appointed
three justice, that nine have rules consistently against them on issues like his taxes, for example, issues about document production. So I think
yeah, the supreme court will do the right thing here I mean. I know that made me make me look like a pollyanna, but I think they understand the moment. Weren't
so Barbara, the thinking with all of these cases, against down from visit the one we're talking about that everything around the twenty twenty election january. Six. The federal case is the one they probably could go forward,
for the election. Is there anything you ve seen lately anything with this request here? That tells you two could be pushed down the road, a bet,
it is possible if the court were to deny this request. That would mean that the court of appeal,
has to hear it and, as we just heard that could take many months. So that would be one
It could happen there also all kinds of other
things that can happen. Willie a case,
It's on a life of its own and get sort of organic. There are other motions yet to be filed. The donald trump has filed
since for selective prosecution and vindictive prosecution. Again, I don't think
are going anywhere, there's a double jeopardy case.
that has already been ruled upon by the district court that one could go
appeal, and so there are a number of things
slow down a case, but one thing I think
it does seem. Certain jack Psmith seems very focused on keeping this contract, and so far the district court judge tanya shut.
seems to be moving with appropriate speed to make sure that that date sticks as well. So I would
It looks good, but it's never a certainty. We will see
another legal matter tied. The twenty twenty election former trump lawyer, Rudy giuliani, is untrue,
to determine how much he will have to pay in restitution for defaming
two black election workers after the twenty twenty presidential race lawyers for former election workers, roomy freeman in shame, moss yesterday,
thousands of examples of harassment and racial slurs thrown at them the threatening messages.
after giuliani, promoted, imperative false conspiracy theories that the pair tampering with ballots in the close georgia rates. They were
at least one occasion, giuliani, reportedly directed trumps supporters.
the freeman home, the wash imposed
ports. U s district court judge barrel a howl instructed yours,
found giuliani liable for more than a dozen defamatory statements and that the only question
is how much he should pay and damages for the violent threats and harassment. Free
an endless received julia
His lawyer focused his statement on the yet to be determined settlement. He stress it would be caught the end.
of MR giuliani. If freemen and moss were awarded the millions of dollars there seeking the giuliani doubling doubt speaking reporters after court yesterday,
he insisted. Now, though, he didn't previously that his claims about the two were true.
happened to them, which is its unfortunate. If other
over reaction, but everything
about them is: do you read
Tisch, roving closer to our regret. I told the truth horse
I regret I told the truth. Dave help me out here because
in the trial now they're just sitting there in the damages portion of this, but he he effectively said. Yes, I said things that were not true. You said that, on the record, also, I mean we ve told.
story a million times, but its were worth repeating. He made up
story said there was a video showing freeman and moss exchanging what he suggested could be vials of drugs. That's will put that
or to the side the racial element of it. It was a man
we found out was a breath meant being passed back and forth and they endured
people showing up at their house pushing through the front door, they had to move, they ve been threatened alive. So
what's he doing now, claiming he was telling the truth. When previously he said he made it all up, he's doubling down, and it's bizarre and its repulse
I mean when you find yourself in a whole, stop digging fees buying a bigger shovel, and I thank you
Is that he's gonna lose he's already lost the case, but now it's my damages and he thinks
you can't get blood from a stone he is broke, and he probably thinks that I'm not going
the pay because I don't have it, but his rebecca
It continues to be heard. Every
I mean just when you think that he can go no lower the bottom through, but that dave? What about like
Jeanne carol? Can they so again? Yes make every time that he may
The defamatory statement he is subject,
be soon, but unlike donald trump
has assets giuliani, really is dead, broken. We ve even has an irish lean on his property and palm beach, so I
he just kind of fact that gonna chases money for years, but he's going
evade it. They're not going to get any of whatever money has squirreled away, and so he thinks he's has an impurity to say what he wants and that's why I think he's going to take the stand cause I think he's going to go on his.
diatribe his narrative, hoping also that pleases the boss Donald trump this?
Barely barbara is desperate. Remember he had to convince donald trump to hold a fundraiser for him at mar a lago to try to raise the money for his legal defense. So is that
This is a desperate man trying to save some money
so, but I dont think is gonna matter to the court. I think
After hearing all this testimony, the court is gonna. Do two things one is award compare.
The toward damages, that's where they want to hear about all of the things that have had
anti shea moss and Ruby freeman their payments,
for in their lost wages all of the compensation that they are due for the other thing I think the court will do, especially if down
If, if truly anna continues to double down is a word punitive damages and that's
extra money design just to punish the person for doing so.
that's so wrong and it's important to award
native damages as a deterrent for him and other people who might think
this is how we do business in america and so
if the money isn't collectible, even if they have to chase them. For the rest of his life, it's really important to see
big dollar sign awarded against rudy giuliani for what he did to these women Barbara.
Quiet day their hamburg. Thank you both its two minutes past the top of the hour, our top story,
yes, our ukrainian president, woloda zelensky is here, is here in the? U s for the third time since russia launched its full scale invasion in february, twenty twenty two he'll meet with
president Biden at the white house to discuss his country's needs on the battlefield and the importance of america's
tenured support. President Biden has proposed
just over sixty billion in new wartime funding for ukraine
as part of a national security package, but republicans
that foreign aid must be tied to additional funding and policy changes at the southern border. Joining us from moscow and b c news
international correspondent cure simmons care. How is
new visit forms. A landscape playing in russia,
then we could. This is an absolutely pivotal weak in the ukraine and russia story
incidents. Keys trip to washington is vital in the ways that you laid out vital in his efforts to pursue
wait: the? U s to continue to fund ukraine's military efforts and then later in the week,
in Europe of europeans will decide whether to proceed with a session for ukraine to the european union. Despite the objection so far a victory over
in hungary, so very important week. After all
zaleski, and also for president
in who this week will hold,
this time in years
didn't answer session with journalists the russian public to combining that. Were there
traditional ready, estonian, that he's held that you remember it that that kind of new
conference that goes on four hour after hour he's we do that again. On thursday, I what we heard from the kremlin spokesman to meet you pascal today is
the russians, the russian government is watching events there.
washington very closely a try,
you argue that doesn't matter whether the? U s which fund ukraine, or at least
it doesn't matter in this sense. He says: he's debriefing journalists that the speed
money after after good money.
that's russia's argument, I mean we also have more I'm peter alexander today
the national security council. Talking about that, russia continues to push offensives things up
but that the national security council spokesperson saying, has lost russia, thirteen thousand troops and suggesting that russia's
miss aims remaining to try and take all of you train. I think that's interesting, I think
There is due to be question this week about what we hear from President Putin, whether the kremlin is watching events in Israel and java watching events there,
in washington, whether the kremlin is wondering whether the mood is changing if you like whether it is
to try to reach for some kind of a freeze in this conflict,
some kind of
agreements, if you like, that, the territory hell
by both sides should remain the same.
The issue, is, of course that clearly, president students is unlikely to accept that, and I think what you
from present zaleski during these trip that there
in washington, is that in the end, you can't trust russia in the english is aims, are gonna be to continue to try to put pressure on ukraine territory in terms of a territory tiber tree, and that is why the
I continue to support ukraine financially
A cares. The lens keys visit of course comes as vladimir putin announcing he wills
another term and run for reelection on march, seventeenth put in that in
Oh it's in that comes as one of his office
rivals, imprisoned activist alexei navarro me has reportedly been moved out of the penal.
colony, where he was serving according to his supporters.
Who say as whereabouts are unknown. What more can you tell us about? A election evolving
yeah, it's a mystery, not clear what happened and why he was
is to be present for a court hearing today. He wasn't there he's no
has been removed from the list of prison. Is a prison where he's wearing
being held
He's spokesperson say that, like that he's
I miss you for seven days there is
suggestion that he had some kind of an illness at some stage
some recent stage by rebellion.
so be, and I'm dumb speculating, but everybody is it may also.
That he is being cut to move,
out of the spotlight for these crucial week, particularly as we prepare for president putin to take on this
I was long a question and answer session later in the week. So listen, it's completely feasible
a valuable, just reappear at some stage that you'll just have
news for one person to another, for example,
But it is a mystery right now
mrs care seven's reporting from Moscow. Thank you very much willie. So Jonathan mere with presents a linsky in washington right now going.
the door reminding members of congress. Of course, the present he needs the united states. Without the united states they lose the war. There is talk as we
speak with admiral of reasonable, but earlier the counter offensive did not go as plant. It did not work, they didn't pushed into new territory. So perhaps a rethink
of strategy as they think about
much money to give. First, we should notice questions persisted button of all his whereabouts that the? U s just had an offer rejected by the right,
to free having their scarlet shaped our wieland americans being held there in russia that, as far as counteroffensive goes, you write it did. It was a failure.
It needs to be said is such that ukraine's not make much the way territory the russians have really dug in are they were different?
their territory there, the land they had seized
Billy from ukraine and already there are questions about how long the allies will be able to support this effort, how much pressure they then put on keys.
Two heads a negotiating table. Now, let's go said he doesn't want to do that. He wants to fight for
We claim all of that territory, you especial say that's unrealistic, they're, not gonna, get all of it back, but solvency rise washed and now,
I to convince congress to open
the purse strings again for ukraine, but it seems very lucky to happen at least this week. Senate
from both sides of the aisle have signalled openly that they don't think a deal can get done these days because of what republicans want connecting it to border security.
Probably push it into the new year. It gets that much more complicated because there's going to be debate in congress about keeping the government funding or keeping the government open with that spending bill.
we're gonna get harder and we have heard
violence is, as the first day of the invasion, say that the EU s will stand with ukraine for as long as it takes, but now, through no fault of this president, that's really being tested in it does
that if the u s is not able to supply aid and aid soon, you will have disastrous consequences. For crown the battlefield, an may prompt other you're,
He had allies to to question their own supports in well. If united states not involved by, should we present by
think clearly again yesterday Vladimir Putin cannot win this war needs. Congress has helped
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