Trump didn't want wounded veterans in military parade, John Kelly confirms
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logic gets you this morning, including a recap of day one and done
trumps civil fraud trial in new york city. Part of that is that parliament punishment base will tell you about the money.
that seem to enrage. The former president also have
Let us uncover mccarthy's speakership battle as far right republican forces, a vote in the house to decide his fate whether he keeps his job as speaker weather.
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two things that are unfairly, and that is our top story. This morning, one of many zone, the longest serving whitehouse chief of staff for donald trump, offering his harsh.
Criticism yet of his former boss
on Kelly, sentenced
meant to say in which he backs up many of the stories were counted recently of prompt lashing out against. You have said
some members and veterans Kelly confirms trunk didn't want wounded veterans and a military parade planned for independence day, because it quote, doesn't look good for me.
I donald trump saying that Kelly also says from quote rance that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in america to fence are losers, and wouldn't this
their graves in france. Kelly then appear
to comment on trumps, most recent attack on general mark milly, in which the
My president's suggests he be punished by death. Keller describes tromp as a quote person
who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior, who has served us
country for forty years in peace time in war
louis. His life for treason in expectation that someone will
jackson, expectation that someone will take that action for him down like Joe
ray sacra, but somebody like you that someone will kill.
General said he says it in expectation.
that someone will kill milly for him, so the statement
with Kelly, saying tromp is a quote person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions.
our constitution and the rule of law.
There is nothing more that can be said. God help us
Kelly served as chief of staff from two thousand and seventeen to two thousand and nineteen. He has criticized trump before, but this statement marks the first time. These comments have been confirmed by Kelly, who was present at the time.
They were may well worth. The chief of staff is right in there and sees every thing all day. Every day
and gets a real firm sense of a situation, which is why that expectation line is chilling and something we believe to be true and makes the support.
Trump out there all the more concern. It's obvious. I mean it's obvious. What donald trump wants people to do when he talks about they said they should be killed, they should be executed. They should be this. They should be that. I don't think it's obvious to everyone. It is. It is obvious that that's what donald trump wants to do, I'm glad I'm glad the general said it. But yet you you you
these digits horrific statements welly there is
The questions before when they first won the atlantic. I believe in early two thousand and twenty or maybe twenty nineteen who that who, who
we're about was John Kelly. Alot of people thought it was about
who sat in rolling out is as important is what was said by donald trump, and it goes all the way back
John Mccain, obviously calling John Mccain a loser for being appeal: w sacrifice for his band of brothers who refused to leave vietnam, even though
could out, because his father was connected and just think about that data.
rob use his uses. His connections David doctor,
about bone. Spurs John Mccain uses his connections to stay
in Hanoi, beaten and tortured so badly that he can't even raise his arms above it
orders for the rest of our lives, because you refuses to go home before everybody else.
That came in with him in that,
prison cell in vietnam
So I do of course he's it.
or maybe one of my sacred places and he's not wanting to visit now. It's
Maybe he doesn't want to get out. He doesn't want to visit.
the markers, the tombs of us,
soldiers and sailors and airmen and marine who died because well they died
we consider them losers and at one point it turns the general kelly.
You lost assign. Why would anybody do this? Why would any? Why would anybody.
Why would anybody sacrifice their life for this country? What's this is our answer? Wonder YAP? What's what's in it for them again, this is just
one more example, one more example of these people who once claim
be the most righteous who claim to be the most patriotic who claim,
be the most support of the military lining up
a man who is the antithesis of everything that they grew up. Believing was right, but now they
bind him in this personality cult yeah that
a moment that you references such an important one- that was back in July of two thousand fifteen important because it gave us a sign of what was coming, which is to say he did something on
thinkable, especially within the republican party trashing John Mccain, specifically
heroism and war, and his support went up,
that moment we talked about it here and we talk to our private. We said something different is
happening here and to your point,
these are the men and women that we hold most sacred in this country and, as you say, republicans always have defended
military, and we present this to trump supporters. How can you defend
they'll, say whelp
it was. The media provident say that an open our have general kelly, jonathan mere on the rendering in that state.
To see an everything you he read in those atlantic pieces to them. That's true, I was there.
things happen? He did trash war heroes, he trash the military dead. He didn't,
stand why they would sacrifice what was in it for them
a fundamental misunderstanding of the military, fundamental misunderstanding of patriotism, and yet you can expect that internally, in a Republican,
or at least among his supporters, slept no impact on the way they view donald trump. Now Kelly has been known to cooperate on background
with journalist for some time, but it is noteworthy that he decided this a moment to put his name to it. We know that he has
I'm success as chief of staff keeping trump in line for a matter of months in the neck quickly went away. It was indeed the battle there's a foundational.
Marine corps Bela would in france that that, basically, is me marine,
that's where they they began.
their origin story and donald trump was dismissive and refuse.
To go to the funeral that day, because it was raining
wanna get his hair messed up in that kelly has told people was sort of
ass draw for him
when he realized what sort of person donald trump really was will thus make any difference. I highly doubt it others
work for dollar traveller nash agree establishment.
Spoken out against him. Journalists, jamming master John bold
the list goes on and off, they have all forcefully condemned trumps. Leadership is patriotism and his being is character.
We know what rex tillerson and thought of him as well. We can't say on family friendly television, however, but none of that has led to a drop in support of all the
should all take in the least. This idea that these two people who worked with our top,
day after day, in the most sensitive important moments of his presidency, they're, the ones
knew him best and much like me,
The janeway six trials, much like we're starting to see now these criminal proceedings, those who spent the most
I'm a chopper saying he is unfit to hold office. Again.
as you know, and John Kelly always seem to have somewhat of a paying public posture when he would be out in public with dixon
John Kelly himself had a pretty bad episode when it was slain,
been of the widow. It was lord David, John,
in the chair and define started when tromp was. This was just too in my mind.
Absolute worst episode when he was picking on the widow,
her husband had died. You know a week earlier that was that
it was just so this is what trump thinks of our military. He care so little for the loved ones of Gozo,
in battle that he'd literally will bull little them in the aftermath of that loss, and so this is
nothing new. We know the level of respect the trump pass for base
really any one, but himself
we see it, we see the contempt in which he holds. Those
choose to volunteer for service for their country, and so this is this tells us nothing new it, just as it reminds us of the man's fundamental character,
you think, willie that, if
this continues taken together. I do think general kelly.
Who serve this country proudly and ably for so long who lost his son sacra,
he's just sign for this country,
general kelly general madness.
Another war hero, another man that trumpet
so thrilled the have come before in general.
master. I do think if
These generals do come out and do speak out and do speak out public
on camera and do have it make a concerted effort between now and next year to talk about
just how unfair donald trump is the one for for office in
and to be present the united states can be commander in chief again, I do think
trump's generals, so to speak, the people we were talking about back in january,
twenty seventeen trumps generals all coming out.
deming him for all the horrific things he said about our men and women in uniform in this country. I do
We believe that is one thing that
could have an impact with called with people
sharing and laughing about nancy policies, spouse getting his head bastion, no, no, but with
reset are going to actually decide this election in the suburbs of
plan in the suburbs of fully the suburbs of the troika and the an end in sight,
herbs of Milwaukee, and we may well hear more now from general milley. He was somewhat restrained as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, but he may be able to come out and say more, except for that. Sixty
its interview last week as well, and show for people like us who revere the people have served this country and who try to lift up injured
members of the military and help them the comments
recently in Jeffrey Goldberg, atlantic peace were particularly abhorrent where he
general milly, that, after
and a warrior who has lost his leg doing I e the attack in afghan.
stan, suffered heart attacks and strokes, because if it had been through hell, sank
bless america that donald trump pull milly assigns had. Nobody wants to see that speaking of injured warriors of veterans, don't let
have one again
defend that. How does that sit with you you're willing to excuse a lot of things about donald trump? We get that over the last
eight years or so, but that attacking
wounded warrior. How do you defend that?
Well, I'm! When will you see this first hand and all the work that you do these these men and women are
best of who we are the best who gone over to
tat to defend this country, who, like bob dull, left apart
of themselves in bad alike. Bob dull, donald trump nikobob dollar loser. They,
I'm back with with with injuries,
they stay together. They keep fighting,
I do fight a new cars.
You see that every day the these are. These are our heroes. They are
It stays with him for the rest of their life, and it's a reminder that donald trump is all about the superficial. How does it look he's creating a place putting on a tv show and if it doesn't look just the way he wants it to
Then the people who are ruining it for him in his eyes are disposable, including hero military veterans,
or I speaking of how it looks. Donald trump was in court yesterday for day one of a massive fraud trial against him he's back in court today, in one minute, just exactly sixty seconds we're gonna talk,
at the moment yesterday that enraged him and what is next will be right. Back
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Is it planned parenthood, dot org, slash future to make your donation welcome back at eighteen pass the hour? Donald trump is expected to be back in a court this morning for day two of his civil fraud trial in new york city yesterday, the punishment face began after John
our answer and goran last week found trump
two older sands and his company liable for fraud.
The former president sat with his arms crossed as his defeat
tat man, prosecutors against giving borders being in somebody courts. Now
This morning, you guys warrant actually has hit em, where it hurts, gives its about errs on being put in charge of this company's they're, going to figure out whether or not they need to be resolved. Every thing that this guy is made up by, I would say he built, but he actually pay
bleak inherited the equivalent of a billion dollars from his dad heard in terms of today's dollars, but four hundred million there also understood that guy or prosecuted
from the new york attorney general's office, gave their opening statements said in just a few feet away.
Him was the attorney general herself Latisha James leer de tromp, walk
I'm were briefly allowed inside the court room. This was quite a scene. I dont think everybody expected this
cameras to be in their an attorney for drum complain.
The former president did want a jury to hear that case, but the judge noted that his team had never.
asked for ensuring trial. After opening
statements. Prosecutors played taped depositions from trump his sons, his former attorney michael column, and is
companies, former chief financial officer, alan by Solberg, then they called their first witness
our accounting to spend several years handling the former presidents tax returns according to
Our team inside the courtroom trump seem too
a key issue with some of what was being said during the testimony and became extremely animated with his lawyers.
His face is said to have become bait red while he pointed and fair,
no waved at his lawyers. For the most part, though trump appeared subdue
during the trial outside the courtroom, though he was anything, but here is some of what he said to reporters during a lunch break.
Will you
attorney general.
grace,
the team president we're going to take him down. This is called election interference and, worse than that, really much worse than that
I get much worse than election interference. Call last week, salary large part of the day
We must monitor the case
he's a democrat operative,
That's really really. I think
I wasn't in that part of my law, school glass on judged trials,
Where does
told you if it's any
trial and the judge
determining your future. That is
it's free to insult town and call him a loser and an attack him again
it makes no sense, as as as we were, watching for dangerous fifteen seconds. Yesterday's Donald trump was saying that this guy-
I could be arrested should be arrested,
there's! There's the threat, there's intimidation! If I get elected press
I'm going to arrest. You is what donald trump saying there, but without any other defendant
america in this position. Well, that's all
and found guilty of fraud. The evidence is there.
clear against india, yet
over exaggerating and everybody new york had known for decades it. This is what do you do you
actually have somebody get on the stand and apologizing made mistakes like this. I did that I am so sorry, your honor
go. I'm gonna straightened this up. We're gonna put system
place to take care of it
oh ourselves, on the mercy of the court.
As you know, we're not going to do this again. We're gonna, where we're going
make sure that anything that we file is with with woods
Tax authorities in new york state and with banks is going to be
correct- and I know we fell far short of the mark, but data video
the judge saying our right, this is a problem, will put your cup
on probation. However, however, they do it, but instead you have donald
Who's been caught. This is a bank robber
has been caught. Are these
the congress and auditors implies ida and am scam with money in his pockets, like jammed, endures
It's looking like the michelin man because he has so much money jammed into his coat pockets,
yelling and screaming about unfairly being prosecuted he's already
boss did like he's
or even caught why these are hurting
cod saying that he had a thirty thousands
where foot residents when is like
thousand square feet?
claiming that he had the most expensive.
Property in all of new york side I see now was a lie is well and what's he doing, these
doing the exact opposite of what he should be doing. He's he's continuing to drive, is car off
with and leave his lawyers and
when position and then
It's over, I know probably call for
execution of the jobs. Are you call for the execution general milly, it's a it is. It is a
a zero sum game and its again,
he loses every time and, as you say, the facts and evidence or stacked against them. So now he has to play that outside game where he goes outside the quorum attacks. The judge attacks the prosecutors. In this case and by the way you can expect to see that same speech just queue up every time.
It comes out of one of these other courtrooms attack. The judge attack the process that there's a witch hunt.
some some pretty extraordinary pictures on.
further the newspapers here in new york this morning. What second add for the apprentice or something that face wall street journal
a very similar photograph to flout the tantrum outside the court. Room is to pass off, sir standby. Let's bring a blue
legal and politics reported Eric Larsson. He was in the court overflow room yesterday covering trumps fraud, trial and professor of law, colombia, John c
the junior he's an expert on securities law and white collar crime and offer the boat corporate crime in punishment. The crisis of under enforcement
one or two, both Eric I'll start with you, so you're in the overflow room, getting a sense of how things are playing out in the courtroom. How does this look right now for donald trump,
I think the fact that he showed up actually it's a position of
I threw him which is kind of interesting it I'll think anyone was actually expecting him to show up until just kind of the last minute, and now we come to see why he was
What are do a lot of that grandstanding? Give that big speech outside of the courtroom
every time. There was a break in the trial. He was viciously attacking the judge and the attorney general. So this is help seven,
of his campaign, to be honest, like, as you said, he's already been found liable for fraud so that cases
kind of via in industry
its favour pretty strongly, and the judge clearly has accepted a lot of what the state has to say. So what kind of defeat
Answer you hearing from his legal team other than Laetitia James is biased and the judge is a Democrat. Is there anything on the evidence where they're defending themselves? Yes, they're, focusing a lot on whether or not any banks were actually harmed by this alleged conduct? You know they're looking at these inflated financial statements wildly inflated, according to the judge, from two thousand and eleven to twenty twenty one and saying that these
submitted to various banks, deutsche bank others, and to ensure
is to get better terms on loans and policies for years and that he ripped to
fifty million dollars and illegal financial benefits as a result, but he says that these banks,
we're not harmed at all. He paid back all these loans they actually made.
a million dollars and interests off of him. There. Both sides are calling
bank employees as witnesses because they both think that they'll be able to back up what they say and at the end of the day,
even though it has been found liable for fraud before the trial. There are others.
We can claims, including falsified business records things like that, which the judge theoretically could still rule in his favour on chat, roulette,
what set aside trumps hysterics outside the court room and talk about the merits of the case being tried with in it, would
You heard so far from both the estate
in general, as well as trumps defence team, and how strong do
these claims are. We always been far liable for how much he supported the church was appointed.
receivers who still have to be named? Who is both to liquidate all these companies
within trumps organizations. To one thing,
think you're missing. Is that picture
and silly is trump seems he's pro
we've being rational from his own perspective, because he wants to exploit this trial is inopportune
to show again that he is the victim of political persecution,
did his main theme
actually raised his popularity in the republican primaries, so he's figured out
I'm gonna go to this trial. He almost never has gone to civil trials. Please do it because
This is a way to raise his theme that there's a
securing going on and you should raise an arms and support me because we are being attacked by the evil government. So Eric explain
if you could, what exactly has been decided and what still has to be decided in this case
and how long the punishment phase of what has been decided could take rule the georgia so the
trial is going to go until december twenty seconds, so
We can expect a lot of evidence on whether or not these six remaining claims trop is liable for whether or not he conspired to falsify these bits
it's records whether or not they were used in specific transactions in a way that harms these banks and then insurance fraud is another claim in there as well. But then there will have to be more arguments on whether or not the full two hundred and fifty million dollars has to be disgorged
whether or not trump and his two sons who are also defendants would be banned?
from being directors are officers of any new york based company.
and, as the president said, you know, there's this whole other aspect that has to be
cited outside the trial on this fraud claim that's already against trump. We really don't
how far that is going to go, what? If the full outcome will be? Even trump's lawyers don't know, and the judge hasn't really clarified what it means that all of these companies are going to have to be dissolved once this receiver is put in place.
but right now there are five more claims that the judge has to decide on liability for and then based on those he'll go into the penalty phase. So
Professor, I spent the day listening to commentators who can't seem to get over. There feel cheated donald trump, and one of the arguments they made was that on my gas,
this attorney. This is some political. If this attorney general can do this to trumps business, he can do it.
We're business too. I'm curious
could put into context these.
our delegations that he's a cop
dove and some he's been found liable for how do they compare?
or to other white collar crimes in their severity and their size. We have to understand
The attorney general is operating under a unique statute throughout the world.
is her and no one else, not private plaintiffs, to dismantle to liquidity
a company that is engaged and persistent fraud. She does not have to prove that anyway,
the damage damaged. She only has to prove this company is persistently defrauded. People in this
a buyer inflating its assets and because you are persistent fraud, work,
throw you out of new york state. That was.
Ten of the legislature, but this is a statute, implies only
The attorney general brings the case.
I'm curious from what you have seen.
Do you believe the trump organization has been? Is it
likely that they have been engaged in quote persistent fraud. Why
The inflation of assets has been shown. He granted summary judgment. There was lots of evidence referred the stories about calling a eleven thousand foot apartment of thirty thousand foot apartment so that you could get a higher valuation on it. They are
reading rank control buildings as if they were the same as non rent control, buildings and so on
play played assets, the evidence there was pretty strong, busy granted summary judgment, and these inexperienced judge you dont, grant summary judgment,
unless we believe there is no fact in this case that really has to be free.
their resolve. It is also clear all this
they left now is the penalty and, and that sounds certainly make it through the years.
persistent fraud, professor at law at columbia, John c, coffee, junior and bloomberg Eric Larsen. Thank you both very much for you.
Putting an analysis this morning and coming up on morning, Joe congress manage to avoid a government shut down with a short term funding bill, but washington.
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smaller over a fit
of a century and stay ratner so glad to have you here,
Kids of now would give them time to wake up before women.
Get to the charts? I want to ask you about this deal. It's a short term deal on cap to Hell,
to govern opening the continuing resolution. They kicked. The cat
down the road talk about how much work there still is ahead.
long winter shares and numbers it'll show how much work there is ahead. They accomplish nothing.
they simply, as you say, kick the can down the road and so they're gonna have forty five days in which to
you two things, one figure out where they want Kevin recrossing, disobeyed, the speaker anymore. Not there is this motion to vacate that mac gets file, and that is
conseil consume an enormous amount of time and effort
we've better resolve unbelievable differences, which are ganem, would assure you in just a second between
the two sides rule about how much we should be spending. Why don't you
start with how much the house and this
plans clash in how difficult it is going to do
actually period synthesize those two plants
so. You remember that back in the spring, when one we almost defaulted on our debt, there was an agreed.
between the white house and the Republicans asked
Expanding would look like that is coming
and it's what we're talking. We talk about spending which argued that
non defence, discretionary meaning we don't talk about so security medicare, a lot of the lot of parts
budget and will show you that in the second we talk about things like the transportation
armor housing department so forth so out of that
full of money, the deal between
and the republicans back in the spring was to make it
who billion dollar reductio respect two billion dollars less in the fiscal
I just started over this past week and then we spent in the premium
fiscal year, the senate,
publicans and democrats or bipartisan. They agreed on
increasing spending by four billion. They put some money back for a few things that they thought or important mccarthy came up with a bill that he hoped would pass
that involves sixty billion dollars of spending the hard right, the math
The group, whatever you want to call them, show that bill. He came
with a continued resolution that would involve putting a hundred ninety six billion dollars of spending. They rejected that
well, and that is where we are now, but let me put those numbers in perspective for you as a
of our economy. Obviously,
The original two deals that we talked about. Various
effect on are not on the economy, but on our spending. The mccarthy bill would have,
spending in this category by nine percent, the house
continue. Resolution would have cut spending in this.
Category by a full thirty percent and showing a bit what some of those implications are
this day, let's move over your second chart about where the money is coming from the proposed bill here was
two billion dollars of proposed cuts. Massive reductions in
discretionary funding. The mandatory funding is obviously the biggest part of the budget. So what are they going after? Because they can't touch that right, because
can't such that. Let me just show you how small apartment is so you,
here. At this hour,
an offence, discretionary. Only fourteen percent of the budget defence,
she theoretically can cut, but nobody wants to twelve percent of the budget, but all the
so the this stuff, social security medicare. Other kinds of
to people who are who are suffering and then
bunch of other stuff and then interest on the debt. Of course we can cut and therefore
they over this tiny little sliver? Ukraine aid, which is
a more symbolic than subsidy, obviously show you cutting out of this little piece of the budget, and so will the cocksucker
of that or something like tat
but one education. Seventy
represent caught whim
in france shows us a form of countries like spain stamps seventy percent cut affordable. How
sixty six percent cut
and so on and so forth. The labour relations for thirty three percent cut water quality. Fifty five percent cut, so
Math is almost impossible. How do you? How do you reconcile this is the smaller of the two? This is the sixty the sixty
dollar one. Imagine if you try to do the hundred nine
six billion dollar one wish they haven't even laid out the specifics of so this would really got, and this
but they're trying to do. Of course, this will got
many functions of the government that so many americans depend not yeah we're talkin.
Things like grants for low income, schools, water quality, etc? So, let's look at that third chart steve. How does the day?
in deficit play into this. As we have said many times, the last administration under donald trump
for years, added nearly eight trillion dollars to the debt. What is it
now, and how does it affect this conversation shall look? We do have a deficit and debt problem
That much of this is legitimate and fair. Our debt, our deficit, this,
fiscal year was two trillion dollars and the federal government is: can we
trillion dollars again this year,
you can see here you deaf
which is this whole space in here, and so what happened? Basically: weak
the revenue share of the governor of the size,
economy roughly flat, we did cut a bunch attack,
as you can see the bush of george w bush tax cuts. You can see that
from tax cuts, so we
down our revenues. But meanwhile our spending was exploding, and so we end up with two
dollar deficits, and that, of course, turns to debt. We have
three three trillion dollars of debt at the moment in this country
unless your show, where they came from all
where, from seventeen seventy six until bush took office in two thousand and one we acumen
and that includes fighting wars. More war, too
five point: seven trillion dollars of debt and they
can see every president since then has added a huge amount of debt trump, as you just said, willie
seven point: eight trillion dollars of debt in one term, far less than, for example, Barack obama across the truth,
farms as a proportion and by
so far four point six trillion, so you
These are. These are just unsustainable amounts of debt. There were adding, but you can't really do it.
How do you all that other stuff, it's just too much- is too much deficit.
Relative to what you have available in those discretionary programmes were
Instead, that's always been the problem. It's all right
when the problem- and it ended something that we dealt with going all the way back.
nineteen? Eighty five one we're talking about balancing the budget people
we will take from foreign aid will take from food stamps will take from this were now now it's it's
social security,
they care
kate defence spending.
Now wars are a hell of a lot more than what we had to worry about in the nineties, who we're trying to balance the budget interest on the debt and
the mass of tax cuts to the richest americans. A trump gave us a couple years ago.
And so so we yet are we
for twenty years now president's try to do everything all at once, not only that they said
call guns will take. All butter will also continue to cut
taxes for the richest of americans, which of course, is sound.
the inverted our taxes in such a way that new look it yeah billion,
There's a yo yo, look, you look at it at the richest americans them much better tax treatment,
working class americans are small business owners are entrepreneurs who are just starting up we're paying some.
So a lot of workers in states like new york, connecticut,
new jersey, illinois, california, paying fifty fifty one. Fifty two, fifty three fifty four percent of
dollar that they make to taxes, whereas you go
people wall street paint fifteen. Sixteen, seventeen percent, these brilliant there's it's just
Jim sanity
and so talk about how we're not
not going to balance the budget. With these yahoo saying, oh cut, food stamps cut foreign aid,
it's just a small small proportion of our budget yeah,
We have a two trillion dollar deficit and all that other stuff over there,
up to less than two hundred billion dollars and it would be completely completely and utterly got the fairy
government in terms of what it does? So, yes, we're not gonna, even even close to balancing the budget. You know Joe
if you set a riot conundrum, is we ve got all
stuff that nobody feels we can cut and we can debate. Maybe we should be doing something in here, but but
now. These are untouchable. Even donald trump says drug touchable. So
this little sliver, you're, dealing with and spending
has been going up by a rapid rate.
Since, as you point out, we ve been party and cutting tax tax fraud
No tax revenues have not been going up as a share of the economy, and you gotta do
something you ve got a deal of taxes, and I agree with you about where the money should come from. There are a lot of rich people, not paying their fair share or you ve got a deal
making some changes in here
otherwise you're, never going to get this deficit down to anything that looks like a balanced budget, let alone something that actually is a balanced budget.
You know. I know it sounds radical, but a fifth crater could look at this and say well. It seems to me that you gotta make inside your revenue line matches your spending lie. That's all
you have to do so, do you want jack do want. Engine
taxes at that much. I think that would be bad for the economy. Do you want to cut,
pending that much now. I think that when that would cause
a lot of pain, pain in a lot of ways. We ve got to figure out a way to have those two numbers come together. That's gonna take leadership and yeah
gonna mean cutting taxes
are raising taxes for some of them.
which is the americans to move added pudding,
double run over the past twenty years, have to raise
their taxes, so they pay
This same share this
percentage that their clerical staff pay
that that small business saunders pay it's just not fair and albania, we gotta figure out
where we're going to save money, those numbers have to come together and at the same time and again I said during the tromp years we can push this
off any longer and see by now you and
we're saying this during the obama ears to hear me your part of the north,
zation. We ve been saying this for a long time. It's just. Why am I
going on right now going on right now, because the problem just keeps getting more difficult to fix and if we don't
fix it very soon. It's gonna become on fixable for the next generation. We have twenty seven trillion dollar economy.
Rear gdp vats extraordinary for
in the world and yet we're carrying around thirty two
Thirty three trillion dollars in debt. That doesn't add up
long does it state
no and by the way, our debt to gdp ratio, our debt inhalation size of our economy is higher than almost every other country. You know france, germany. Now you pick up on the uk, we have more debt.
We yeah joe you're right, I mean ve got to do something here what's injure see. Is that no?
He cares anymore. Now
here too. A trillion dollars used to be a lot of money, but yet we just
this one from one fiscal year of two trillion deficit. The next one of two trillion deficit
don't hear anybody saying anything about it, not
Nobody cares anymore that always on the Republicans cares when there's a Democrat and the wider picture only turn again. We hear that we want to carry out this non, stop report,
again. When tromp was in office, have they went along for the ride they spend spend spend they? I said this
The obama administration, though we time republicans care is when there's a democratic, the white house and sure enough republican gets in the white house for four years and they spend
The same thing: money snowing nervously, spain, new money, verily
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