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january, as you say, with the stakes even higher, though, because it was happening in Israel right now, right,
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Congresses in past have understood the importance of having a speaker. You have a bunch of hard set rule and that is
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Under the floor and there the speaker, everybody knows far because if not, there would be chaos,
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we'll get to the vote for a four despite a whipping operation now, and if this stretches
on and other candidates come forward. What that does jamaica, of course, that slows down any ability for the.
To really eight israel at this time of crisis.
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I across the globe. It is, it is serious and is dire, vainly to get serious very soon at a dire time as Israel continues to launch strikes into Gaza in an effort to neutralize hamas. Tar
its while Israel's military prepares for a potential ground up
Gratian warplanes have levelled buildings along the Gaza strip since
declared war on sunday, Israel's prime minister.
benjamin Netanyahu agreed to form an emergency unity government bringing a centrist political rivals.
Into his cabinet, someone who previously served as Israel's chain
of staff for the military after the first me,
of his country's emergency government. Yesterday, Netanyahu's
Israel is on the offensive promise to crush and eliminate hamas and said
every member of Hamas is a dead man willing list
a straight to Israel, where we find NBC news chief foreign correspondent, richer angle, near the border with Gaza richard when he sing there this morning
well, good morning. So today we are right on the border with Gaza. We are inside Israel, but to give you
and so the distances here? If you look
just beyond those power lines. You see a built up area where there are plumes of smoke and there have been explosions from incoming israeli fire that is
the strip that is the Hamas stronghold and that right now is in Israel's crosshairs, the air strikes,
our continuing according to an israeli military official who gave a briefing
morning of these items.
intense strikes against Gaza that Israel has ever carried out. They are describing this as unprecedented. Just
the hamas terror attacks inside Israel, which left
two or maybe even more, there still be there
was still going up. Thirteen hundred israelis dead that was also unprecedented. The next phase is
a ground assault and, according to the israeli military they already, they are just awaiting orders, and throughout this area we ve been seeing a build up of troops. There have been tanks and apc armor personnel carriers and artillery brought in jeeps full of troops, reservists eyes
called up around three hundred
six thousand reservists and they are now being mobilized. So we are preparing bracing
The next phase of the war and secretary of state lincoln has arrived in Israel, he's on a diplomatic mission to try and contain this war.
To Israel and and and Gaza, the the the concern is that it would spread to lebanon. Israel has also reinforced the northern border along the lebanese border, but I can tell you having watched this and other conflicts before once these bombs start flying and there are casualties.
It is very difficult to contain a war. Richer
I know that there are at least one hundred, maybe up to one hundred and fifty hostages being held inside of Gaza. We all know that how that Hamas has an elaborate network of tunnels and places to hide
as hostages? There's been talk of israeli commandos, going in and rescue missions? Even the white house wouldn't rule out
Yesterday, the that navy, seals or green brays could go in to rescue him.
Can hostages. Can you speak to the difficult
de of those potential missions.
so the
operation if or perhaps when israeli troops to go in the operational be extraordinarily complex, because Hamas has defences, because Hamas has booby traps and tunnels and, of course, because of these hostages and the that the opera
It will also involve hostage rescues so generally- and indeed this is not the first time there's really troops have gone into the Gaza strip. They use to occupy the bear the Gaza strip it in the past when they have gone in they, they enter gossip from multiple directions. They enter from the north from the sides they cut off the main roads and part of this operation, which will certainly be a commando missions to try and a risk
but the hostages according to the israeli military, they have already located some of the position.
Where the hostages, they believe the hostages are being held there of course,
for obvious reasons, are not the same where those locations are or how many people might be in those locations. But it is the first indication that we have heard from Israel of any kind and that they are gaining intelligence gathering more information about potential locations where they think the hostages baby taken,
and this in his chief foreign correspondent, richard angle, inside Israel, right along the border with Gaza richer. Thank you so much for your reporting. We always appreciated and join us now: international spokesmen,
where israeli defence forces major dorani spearmen major spellman thanks
for being with us this morning. I'll pick it up right. There do you all.
have a sense for where some of these one hundred or one hundred fifty hostages are, and if so, are you preparing
hence to rescue them.
So, first of all, we considered hostages. We we have to understand that this whole state of Israel is really maybe the size. The new jersey you talking in less than ten million people and these hostages, everybody in Israel either has
family member who is it
stage know. Somebody was a hostage or
a sign, our daughter or father or mother, who are now have been called up to the front lines because of the situation, as does a very personal,
situation right now. These hostages are literally everybody's family visits,
A priority for the state of Israel there's no clash, then we have
Operation teams that are being headed by generals that have been created
combining both internal and ops toward them
find the hostages and everybody
The thing also goes around that
courses is a major element of operational scenario at the same time
we already back and every one of these hostages has found some of their families have been destroyed,
The remaining three year old
other than we have
an entire. Almost the ministry set up right now to deal with that entire back and
when we look at our operational objectives. First,
They foremost most clear. We have
destroy completely harmless
ability to ever do this again, if they think that by
displaying the hostages or the hostages are going to help them. In this respect, the wrong is clear at the bare and evil that actually needs to be truly defeated. Sat
in in terms of that fact, the the need to destroy Hamas.
balancing the effort to save the hostages.
What are you saying to the family is when you communicate with them about the very latest in the efforts at how do you explain this balance.
Again in many these cases, I have to tell you these families and I've met. The families is
hard to believe many, these families who have people been taken hostage there I'll turn out
now in germany. There are part of the
the force of the state of Israel. In many many many cases very my personal situation and their torn involve ass. I went on
People are missing an alien, their people who put on a green, uniform and all of a sudden called the server
what they know? What the people of Israel unified by is that
We know that Hamas as an entity, the massacre that they carried out seven days ago, they revealed their truth,
sweden saying for years that the world this is what they were.
They were, we will even shot by the grab
and just truly the cruelty. What they did. Everyone a june provide, including low salaries that Hamas has got to be removed from us.
because we can never allow this to happen again in the future. We
to do this very very carefully.
With enormous care and precision and it's not
went to be an overnight campaign
This is a war. We are at war right now and the war is what is going to take to defeat them,
And a major that tab then obviously leads to what
big concerns. Damned Ignatius with Washington post wrote that that
Cereals macabre mission impossible is to destroy the terror networks
a crush, a loss to make sure they can ever do it again, but at the same time protect
civilian lives protector of palestinians
ever. You can
Could you just for our american centre watching and then the euro? It will see strikes against buildings in Gaza. Can you explain?
What those targets are that you were striking out against me. Can you also explain what israel is doing to minimize civilian casualties while trying to degrade and destroy the hamas terror network?.
absolutely, and we have to understand that Israel is in a state of war
after the massacre there was inflicted. We ve clearly said: there's been a paradigm shift here we are
absolutely clear with ourselves and with the world that we are going to destroy Hamas has capabilities completely
At the same time,
we have to understand the situation there were in a mosque came over a border and massacred israeli civilians. They then
back over their own border hidden side.
The basement and told their wives and children go to sleep upstairs just above us in the apartment blocks above us, mainly the cynicism and thee,
The growth test, as is hard to put our hands on, but they ve created a situation of terror on our side and terror on their side and a whenever,
We every single one of our targets is a myth.
Terry target that has been vetted with intelligence.
Whenever we can, we notify the civilian population in arabic. This can be done via messages on phones. This can be done by a leaf list when we can
We fire warning shots and we asked them to clear out of the area as much as possible. I
We wish that,
Ass. It claims to be the champion. The rights of people in Gaza cared about them even a little bit that they would understand how important it is for them to supper. Written
seen the fighting. The question really needs to be addressed the Hamas, because they knew when they did this, that we would have to come after them like any country. What and their put their own families directly above them
and a major few could I bet inside it, make you explain things seem so basic. Do you went for americans watching you getting some
for those that are saying Israel is of great occupier of the palestinian people.
Can you explain that israel turn
over the past
the in two thousand five. They ve had one
action since then, and really the greater
the greatest victims of Hamas and then the palestine
and people who have watched them forget
aid forego international health forego
the ability for Hamas to actually be a growing and thriving
because they're singular obsession is on killing jews and destroying Israel.
I absolutely agree with you more and I'll. Tell you from personal I'll look. I was there on the day that we literally poles are.
Ways out of Gaza. I I
people in Gaza. We pull them out, they understood at the end of the day. This is for the piece of Israel. We had reached a safe area outside of Gaza and all of a sudden we hear morning, sirens and rockets begin falling and
maybe in almost labor tat, were looking up at the sky trying to understand what is I can we just pulled out of Gaza, this a tooth
invite there's not in his really left in Gaza
Why are they shooting brackets
We ve seen the images from that point on all the humanitarian aid, the electricity, the power, the cement instead of
in the hospitals and an universe
to advance their own civilization, their population. They ve been
to create tunnels the fairy weapons,
terror attacks and rockets back into Israel edge mentioned they had one election. Their opponents were thrown.
The roofs of buildings and Gaza. That is what they did with the other party, not much of a democracy, and since then the people
of gaza truly. Are the victims of hamas on us, as you,
they are a. It is almost
because that is dedicated to death is
because the israelis absolutely and indirectly, or
directly. It is the death of their own people. The people before it even
monitoring, the crossings in areas which I have been through so many times with all
lots of humanitarian aid and the fuel
the palestinian people- that was one of the very first places that Hamas bound they killed the troops they killed him.
got any they bombed the crossing. So nobody
a tyranny could reach the wrong people.
That is the situation in Gaza, and there has not been in israeli living inside of Gaza for almost twenty years is no occupation of Gaza. Now
willie I it's one thing. I've been talking to leaders in republican and democratic administration set of wrestle
this problem since two thousand five and they
all say the same thing. Any funding
they can send their enemies
applies and get in there if they put it,
supplies for bridges their meeting.
they constructed in the war tunnels. Everything,
converted by Hamas so
any aid meant to help the people and
going into their war, making machine. It says a data they they haven't cared.
The palestinian people in Gaza and they never
because it is again it is a call to death where
gale weathers and they say it. Their goal is to
he'll jews, yeah, that's it
The charter will, when the organisation was born and also using their own people
human shields, even as we speak major
There's been some dispute about the role of iran in the savage it
of last weekend. We know, of course, that around back some ass, there is no doubt about that with finance and weapons and everything else, but
question is: was there a direct order from IRAN? Was there a green light for this attack on over
We can so what
your sense of that is there in fact evidence that iran directed this attack through Hamas on Israel,
development in the middle east and with the regimes that are attacking israeli is not even a secret. We know, that's all, that's it out of Hamas metro,
arising out of iran in june. They were very public
the discussion about the Gaza strip and
about what's happening with Israel. There's no action
you even hide this. These are really technicals of iran is also no secret that the united states has moved its carrier. Flee into
area really I
some is to send a message.
Because it's gonna take a while for the intelligent story relates come out, and certainly
not at liberty right now to go into this, but
U s! Involvement here is so important because that, curiously israeli sitting a message more, not less.
to get involved in any type of regional ramp up here we are,
on Hamas in Gaza, and I think our son
from the? U s and other allies around the area around the world.
hopefully summit is a very clear message to the other players in the region,
there were a direct line discovered through an
agents from IRAN to this attack. What would be the implications for Israel
That would probably need to be discussed by the defence establishment, not by me at this time
international spokesmen for Israel's defence forces major torone spellman. Thank you very much for updating us this morning on warnings
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a campaign of pure cruelty. I just hate before cruelty against
jewish people and, I would argue deadliest day four june-
since the holocaust, the deadliest stasis holocaust.
When the worst chapters in human history
I saw that expression.
From my dad earlier. Silence is complicity.
Scientists complicity. It really is
and want you to know, I think you ve already figured it out
shoes to be silent.
Present vine speaking yesterday, he spoke and several times yesterday, though, that pointing to speaking jewish leaders long
personal emotional, about discussion.
Just about how
cannot stand.
Swinging David Ignatius David? I was struck by well
what what what what what we ve known and what we ve known since these first reports came out, but but you put it
You put it so well, where you talked about
Read it the reader bit of this
the gods operation pursue agonizing challenges, which will tragically seem to be in conflict. First, Israel must restore deterrents against its enemies in gaza,
bake Levin on IRAN after Saturday's devastating attack. At the same time, it must minimise civilian casualties
the lives of his many hostages as it can. This seems like a macabre mission, impossible
and it really does David. It really does seem like
possible mission and I and a the second these
words came out. You knew they just like
Palestinians knew just like Hamas knew before the attacks.
That many of the victims of this war would be the palestinian.
Because the marshal leadership uses them as human shields and they have since two thousand five joe
I have a feeling that Israel
has decided that it must put the security of the state above the sick,
pretty of any individual, including the hostages that it hopes to protect.
The security of the state comes first, looking at the problem,
she was saying to major spearmen spokesman, sir richard angles. Reporting I see israel preparing carefully for an absolutely decisive campaign, remain
during world war. Two of the moment when frank them was about decided that the goal was
unconditional surrender of of the germans.
in the european campaign unconditional surrender, something completely different,
I hear that same
a voice from from israelis. There waiting
gates of Gaza there there carefully thinking about all the contingencies. How difficult this operational b, I feel certain based on my
Reading of military technology that they're gonna, u
drones, robots, many many technology debate,
just to minimize the loss of life
for themselves and for people civilians in Gaza. You can fly a drone through every room in a skyscraper
and see who's there and then begin to take action? Those kinds
technology, I'm sure we will be used- am also struck by the fact that separate blake and
is in the region. Meeting with
king Abdullah, in Jordan, meeting with other regional leaders meeting with prime minister Netanyahu. Why to begin to think about the day,
after this conflict ends what will replace the
terrible war of Hamas that that's been this plundered Gaza. But what will come in its place
I glad to see the israelis and the united states through separate, like I'm thinking about that
So in every way-
It seems to me this is a moment of careful, deliberate preparation on the battlefield for, what's gonna, be a big wore, an end,
after the big war. Like you said, discussions on how peace can be brought to this region, peace talks have really been witherspoon
Studies at least been on hold now for better part of to day,
Okay, so you're exactly right. The war
is before us now. Just like war was after nine eleven and after that, what kind of peace can can can it can be put in place
they are so David. I am wondering whether your reporting suggests
that Hamas, meda
calculate one of its
many miscalculations was:
the israelis at one time a willing to give up a thousand prisoners for one hostage
wonder if that's looking more more like a miscalculation in the granting of these hostages, because from what
I'm hearing and from what I'm just picking up and gathering
You said the israelis are not going to worry first about destroying Hamas if they can get us just back while destroying Hamas. They
do that, but I
feeling that the first skull for them is the only goal for them right now. Job pudding
yourself into the mind of Hamas attack planners is impossible, but
One thing that I've been haunted by is they might
to have known after at a time
of this savagery
the retaliation from Israel. Would I punishing the
would come in with everything they have. So what
surprises, do they have waiting. But that's what troubles me in this?
prized Israel last saturday. In a way is really could never have imagined. How could they do this flying parent lighters and all the things that they did?
What other surprises have they got waiting in the streets of Gaza? Again, we can't know
hoping israelis through their intelligence or are beginning to to get a better sense of that. I'm sure there are people on the ground and various people in the world.
what's on the ground, get it getting
information that that's that's, that's helpful, but but that's a troubling worry
they said they must have known that this next,
is the war in which Israel would invaded the ground would happen, I'm told by
intelligence sources that
evidence of approach in the gaza. The bishop angle was describing it as reporting met bar
heavily mind have ideas, have anti tank weapons that have been emplaced waiting for justice?
Oh my god, I'm sure the israelis are aware that we are trying to deal with but term. You know it is
just a moment just
for the dawn of this battle. When I'm glad the Israelis
taking a little time to think carefully about each of these contingencies. David lives,
you're an address, a mixed messaging mixed signals about a couple of things. One
the role IRAN may have played here. Of course, we know Europe,
In fact, some awesome ass wooden exist without IRAN. That's a given, but it's not clear yet if they were
reckless involved to dwell shooter
suggest. Yes, there time says no according to officials and there's also a mixed signals out of what's happening, the north they with hezbollah in lebanon, the israeli defence force,
yesterday said an attack has begun and they had to later walk that back and said. Well, there
the most skirmish, but we are, we we have missed what was going on there give us
since its office in the fog of war, but where? U s, asked for just telling you what they think is happening,
so I think they're. Their primary concern right now is to prevent the obvious
temptation from various other parties to get an end to this conflict from happening
they were very much want to see this as a one front war. If you
but up in northern france attacks over the lebanese border and an eastern,
attacks from syria it. I said it's a much more difficult war, as as
has been said. That's the reason our aircraft carrier task forces,
At a signal, don't don't do it? You have more
and you can imagine staring at her face, but at once
Folks began that if people see Gaza being counter
They're gonna want to jump in the scam, enormous pressure and forgive the turning of the arab street. Again, I'm I'm pleased to see separate
lincoln in the region. This is not a time for diplomacy exactly but it's time for studying for conversations to go to each other.
Leaders that we know of work with for so many years and talk about about.
I restrain the rest, but the players put pressure on hezbollah
through indirect channels. On the fundamental question of iran, most analyse, I talk to say, the iranian are not likely to want to jump into a major conflict with the united states or israel right now. This is not their style that they did they like the knife.
covered actions they, like
signal sending a few rockets
mind everybody there there, but they don't want to be in a major major war. The least at this point from from what my sources tell me, all right,
David Ignatius stays with us and coming up. The white house is not ruling out sending you s, troops to Gaza, to bring home americans being held hostage by Hamas.
we'll get an update from deputy national
security adviser, John finer, plus they
where israeli ambassador to the united states will join us to explain why he says this war
isn't like Israel's earlier wars. You're watching
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the house majority chose skull by a vote of one thirteen to ninety nine. It still unclear, though, if he has enough votes to win the speakership, because that will require republicans to accept the result
when alleging that's, really not their pay. Thirty four
has the hour. Republicans appear one step closer to electing a new house speaker, but we still don't
have any idea when a vote will take place on the house floor during a closed door.
meeting yesterday in Louisiana congressmen, Steve's colleagues, to
oh ohio, o congressmen, Jim Jordan, for the republican nomination to be speaker and
I asked ousted speaker, Kevin Mccarthy, republican stand
later house vote to confirm scalia, because he doesn't have the two seventeen the number of votes he needs. The new york times
points out. Several republican law makers announced they would not backs Scully's on the floor without concessions complaining of a rushed
I says
guy, iced fraud. You allow you left this speakership vacant for the first time in american history.
war, is like limping across the middle who use locked away. Why, until after the next election, I mean,
well anyhow complaining of a rushed process and also voicing scepticism than he could unite,
therefore our heads and these Jan really, let's bring and right now conventional investigations border for the washing buzz jackie. I Jackie, I know John Vainer basically said I get you a lot. I can deal with these guys, I'm going home going golfing alone
can a drink. Some more allow and
Good cigar, maniac, Paul, ryan sand. I get
These guys, I'm running
Oh, how Kevin bigger
of course, last week, said he's not running again
and here you have- as you know here- you have- a right of
such said- has been going on for hundreds of years, where a conference or
guess so lax in speaker, byron
already vote inside the conference together.
swore everybody knows. For that. That's
stunned, so there will be an orderly process and actually work can get done. The people's work can get
on legislation do get past, and our allies, like Israel in ukraine, can be supported, not here
How long
here. They willing to continue this badness. This chaos in the autumn
branch of government americans- have entrusted them with their wives.
Joe cautious optimism yesterday that lawmakers could potentially rally around at least one of these candidates: Steve Scalia, origin, Jordan, after their closed or meeting where they took a secret ballot on either candid
and maybe get that done yesterday afternoon. Take the vote to the house floor and and and move on and start focusing on the real world issues that are blowing up around the house. G o p conference as they've essentially been paralyzed
without a leader that quickly prove to be
a misguided assessment of the situation and that Steve's Scully's the front runner in and I think clearer front runner
at least yesterday morning ended up
far more opposition that I think people realize tat. There was a little bit of
fusion, amongst the capitol hill press corps, because there was this conference rules package that people were-
debating that was put forward by chip roy and there was more
Opposition
To that end, I think that's what people were sort of distracted by
and there was less realisation that actually a lot of the opposition was all
paired with steeps police police himself was also whipping against this rules package that didn't sit well with a lot of members and the more. I think there is a sort of a tender box kind of situation where the more republicans that came out of that closed or meeting in the long were worth house building yesterday saying that they were not going to sports Elise, some of them
actually and continued to maintain that they were going to vote for former, have speaker, Kevin Mccarthy and still had an axe to grind with those eight firebrands pebble
and who ousted him? Last week, a things quickly deteriorated and now we're not even sure when a house before when a house votes gonna happen or whether Jim Jordan or Scully's is ultimately going to be the nominee inject.
You had some moderate republicans coming out of that meeting s very sad in both for either of them, because I think we should have gotten rid of Kevin coffee in the first place. This is a clown show talking about their own caucus, so he's not
and close, the police to the boats in you get one thirteen at ninety nine votes against
what changes that dynamic of you. Have these hold out so wooden both for cabin mccarthy say they won't vote first Steve's police like what what gives here. When will there be a speaker, yes
steve, school east right now cannot if he does ultimately become the nominee and they take the vote to the house, for which I think the conference wants to avoid doing. Until there is some sort of real coalescing around someone. They don't want the same situation that they had with mccarthy where they have to take this vote. Fourteen times it was a very tortured, embarrassing, drawn out process and right now, Scully's is facing twenty to thirty people who oppose them and you've seen a litany of complaints across the board from people like merge, retailer green, who say that he needs to focus on fighting cancer and might not be equipped to have such a huge and important job during
really important time for house republicans and end the party writ large to people like Nancy mace who say that they don't want someone who used to be a supporter of David duke and the k k k. Being this,
some of the conference. Of course there.
well summers resistance, Jim Jordan as well
There were a lot of people. Yesterday you were saying he is far from
house freedom, cocky sky- that you know he,
really was, is much less of a rabble rousing by it
there is some fierce resistant still to these more from these moderates, who feel like he is just too conservative when it comes to fiscal issues in there
and there is now some rumours of these dark horses coming through people, like maybe tom, amur protests, speaker, patrick
ray, who we ve sort of and keeping an eye on, all along someone who might benefit from the chaos and emerge unscathed as the speaker, but I think that there are
to be a lot of conversations behind closed doors. Today, before we really see any indication of when the house vote is going,
the floor. Vote is going to happen and who the nominee is going to be.
Accomplishment can box said that he wouldn't support either skill ease or jordan until they
the definitively say who won the twenty twond election? What she says, neither them has done to this point so suggests
He obviously, as the robins remain in chaos, the clock is ticking towards both the government shut down now just a little over a year.
The way and of course, every hour
goes by the, u s being unable to fully back
real. So is there?
that latter part the israel piece of this is there
anything in the short term, the house
can do and other means of speculation about made mckendrick
I need some measure to get funding going on there. What does the latest one of the latest talks and is the Israel part of this at a ne
It is even a speaker conversations
in the mean this is the problem with this house cioffi conference there's lots of urgency. There are a lot of very strong opinions. You have lawmakers right off the bat this with weak. I, the first person I ran into
the least stefanik. I asked her about supplemental aid
kids to Israel and whether or not she would eventually go along
If some of the rumblings we had heard of the white house desire to tie this to aid for ukraine, taiwan and border
security and- and she, like many others, immediately, came out and said no way. We
enough support in the house conference to get this through as a stand alone package to provide support to Israel. But
A few days later, while this was in some of the pitches as well, Europe's steve's police tell his members behind closed doors that he was the person to lead the conference
because of his expertise with Israel. Now this is sort of dissipated.
everyone has very short memories here and while there is a sense of urgency, lots of people coming to the cameras making?
fiery statements. At the end of the day, there are not enough people willing to rally around someone and sort of put their there, their politics and their there
petty grievances behind them to get a speaker,
and start you know get back to business.
It is all all survey,
prepare the washing the best
key element. I can we really appreciate it is always itself
also we have as we have Israel
in ukraine.
The southern border, Tyler
get these massive issues before us willie that have to be active
have to be addressed, and yet you have two speaker candidates,
that that were running yesterday, that, as can
of colorado, said but need
One of them said yet.
who they believe wandered
when you twenty election, if you want to know where the republican party is tat, when twenty twenty three, the two
having candidates for speaker well
they be the one of them and then said who won the twenty twenty alike? Surely this is a is part uses a this is a body that is so lost right now and his wandering around aimlessly and right filled. Yeah, that's not
the fringe. That's leadership! That's the two choices who want to run the caucus in the house of representatives, the united states of america won't say who
the twenty twenty election think about that for a minute. We're getting
stood over the last couple of years, but that's absolutely in saying that there
still running defence.
There's still running interference for donald trump, whose working for
president again, and by the way I maybe we won't play, but he
truly yesterday and insane away.
yeah. He was talking about we're going to Iraq. Obama is actually running the government
It is sizing. Baby netanyahu saying I wanna, make sure get the court
right that Hezbollah is quote very
smart hezbollah. So that's the guy.
That their defending right. Now, while the
in the president of the united states make speeches in defense of Israel, unequivocal, defenses and looks like a president. Frankly, while Donald trump is truly truly appearing to be off the rails, and
we're out of his.
out of his mind, I mean praising hezbollah,
psyche praised Vladimir Putin said he was brilliant
we do after after the invasion of ukraine all
praise and he's had for president. She in china
We saw a brilliant man. He is
same thing, of course, with the
and I call leader of north korea and our way out of his mind and again the fact that republicans
bracing. This guy just is step absolutely
easy absolute here. We guess it has the very smart
Frazier, yos presentation, paying dictator who
we're same. China's
fall over the past five years, a very smart man, russian
invite Vladimir Putin, a genius and savvy north korean
leader kim Jong one who is considered by most human rights organization to be them,
tyrannical
the most oppressive leader in the world. He calls him quote
right leader like that. Look, that's your republican party right there. That's that's you
republican party, that's the guy
who is in use in first place in the republican content
to be the next presidential nominee for the g o p. While you have to people that
the leaders running for speaker and
Still
tell you who won the twenty twenty election?
is is absolutely crazy. You have all these arguments about Joe Biden.
Let's take a look at him over the past two days and you mentioned,
I want you mention ukraine, you mentioned
situation in Israel in the Middle EAST. Now Joe Biden is basically managing a conflict and an entire world order, and
he's doing it with clarity and with cod
acts to end with a sense of humanity, yellow
You stack up any pick your policy press conference. The Donald trump had any end
over four years compared the
that binds had its it's just
Not even a close call I buy might stumble. He may
as I stand and speak slowly, he may lose his train of thought. Once in awhile then said,
unlike donald trump
actually knows he's running the government now and he knows who we ran against, and twenty twenty, unlike donald trump, who still thinks
what's this obsession with obama. By the way
Think
always and everywhere. It started out
says, he either he was brand.
About beating Barack obama in twenty sixteen and said he was way ahead of Barack obama in the polls. Right now, he's got this singular obsession willie with morocco bomb a does
It's not a good luck,
one of the founding fathers of the birth or movement. Remember that that was an obsession with poorer.
Oh and now I don't know, I guess I don't hang up,
dark corners of the internet where the former president added states does. But apparently there is an idea that is actually the former president barack Obama, whose
running the government right now. Somehow and donald trump made that
said at a rally last night, while criticising the prime minister of Israel and praising hezbollah
that would be great. That would be a year
be a news flash to
the present who probably on a yacht right now somewhere in bali,
I have had time to run, the government he's been trapped. Still I had Israel is now preparing for the next stage of the war against Hamas. As the conflict enters
Its sixth day or following
all the ngos from Israel to the white house and beyond, and what were now learning about
IRAN's role in all of this deputy national, secure,
adviser John finer will give us an update in just a few
also some some really shocking outcomes. Immejitly baseball in the play last night work in it.
Show you the reason and team that many considered to be the
favorite to win the world series out that much more when morning, Joe returns,
Then there was the inevitable attack four days later, which I predicted and then too
It's a girl! I read all of biden, security people. Can you imagine national defence paypal?
and they said g all, but does it attack from the north because that's
Those vulnerable spots whenever you know
was very smart. There are very smart.
What is your security and safety? Jewish people is unshaken united
states has issues back.
Have yours is well both at home and abroad,
surgeon, additional military assistance to the israeli defence force, including ammunition, interceptors, replant
now that we will be yours, carry sweet eastern.
Training trinity, sending more fighter jets their region and made it clear made clear to the iranians, be careful.
that was president Biden yesterday at the white house, reaffirming his support for Israel and warning iran against interfering that spring. In
former israeli ambassador to the united states, Michael or and joins us now from TEL Aviv and the washing of post David Ignatius, has the first question david
So mr or now I want to ask about one of prime minister Netanyahu is key statements, which is
Hamas in the campaign. That's coming, we'll be in his.
Words crushed and eliminated- and I
I ask you what is
Milon envisions as the future governance in Gaza.
Left Gaza nearly twenty years ago,
and were happy to get out
I assume, Israel does not want to own gaza again, but who MR bastard, you imagine running Gaza once Hamas is crushed
we want the morning david- could be with you good- to see you in the bigger joe there to see you too there
tough time here. As you know, and just a more a word about the present speech, if it would at a time when all of israel is in mourning than were all shocked and dismayed by people, we know families have been wiped out.
Babies have been dismembered decapitated. Everything you could pass every horror to have the presents united states get up there and give a speech like that, and you know I've been in this business David. You know for a very long time as you have, and I think
You agree with me. I've never heard a speech like that in my life out about the present nice dates for the people of Israel and raw stand in front of the television cry frankly and term, while very grateful really very grateful,
it's great question damage and not a spokesman for the government anymore, I'm not an office, but I would say this: it has always been an issue every time we ve gone to war with Hamas, and this is now the sick.
round missing
incomes are ok.
You don't wanna go back the status quo ante. We're were basically paying
hamas with qatar, mummy,
and allowing workers to come in so that.
How much would have something to lose the got about twenty thousand garden, where
we're coming into Israel
every day, not a lot of money by certain gaza standards, good salaries, social benefits, but apparently
at that time, Hamas does not operate according to that cost benefit analysis though they have their own. Jihad is universe in which you are killing babies and raping women is, is the most important thing they can do and then
Actually it's ok, you got away you. You read Gaza
and then Israel was left at the end, holding the keys to Gaza and you say: ok, who's gonna! Take these kids. Are you going
to being a situation where I'll say where
keeping the Gaza strip in our soldiers are being killed. Every week we ve been there. I've spent myself about years
older patrolling the valleys of fur of Gaza. So
I want to be there. I think the most important thing right now is for the government of Israel to engage in a very intimate in detail,
Conversation with our
I can allies, but also with our new arab allies, with the saudis cool with whom we hope to make peace soon with the signatories of abraham accords about perhaps some
of international highly arab concentric centric gaps.
Where's, who could take over from gaza and oversee its reconstruction and oversee the thee?
the building thereof and alternative leadership, perhaps involving elements.
the palestinian authority,
The very important, but we have to think about this now, not in two months from it, so
that's a very helpful response. The clearest I've heard
What I ask you to address. What is
maize. Is the most effective part of this, the sir
situation ahead, which is how the is really too
force can go into gaza and
fresh its adversary without killing the perhaps hunter.
Fifty hostages were there just given.
the sense of of how these really
military is gonna approach that really nightmarish problem.
yeah there's no into the thorny question, sir. I David I mean. Also there are about two million people, palestinian civilians and gaza. We have to deal with that issue as well.
we certainly have no interest in hurting those civilians and certainly preserving the lie
of our hostages, also american citizens, and how to
To this end, the in on a purely strategic level would be the equivalent of say if, on nine, eleven Al Qaeda had taken hostages. How in america treat that situation,
It stop america from responding militarily to the attacks of nine eleven Israel has to respond. We have to defend ourselves. At the same time, we have to remember that lives are at stake here and I know families of of people whose whose children whose loved ones are, are held hostage there. So it's intensely personal. This question is not abstract in any way, so what we have to do is
We have special forces. As you know,
This is their job. This is what we are trying to do. The gray
This challenge will be to locate the position of the other hostages you may remember years ago, with god shall eat
One is really soldier who was taken captive back in to them
and ten
and he was held prisoner for five years. We couldn't locate him, we didn't know
Hamas has this underground warren
prison tunnels very difficult. So that's got to be a huge challenge and intelligence challenge. We have technologies now that we ve developed porthos,
detection and knowing what's in the tunnels? Are we sure that
how'd you with homeland security and will use it will use the best we can. So we had to counterbalance on one hand, are tremendous,
to defend ourselves against
horrendous, barbaric threat, barbaric, does mediaeval barbaric threat
on the other hand, to take into consideration the lives of these hostages every single one of whom is precious to us.
Sir good morning. Forgive me if I interrupt, you were waiting a new conference joint news conference in TEL Aviv from prime minister Netanyahu and secretary of state
again, so I may interrupted jump into that, but you did mention the barbarous
that we saw especially in some of these kibbutz is near the border, and I know somebody stories are personal to you:
Clearly, one of a family that was slaughtered include
young children.
Yes, it's so to mark hit him see mantle some. She grew up with my child
and she part my community. She wasn't the scouts there. She would see
she's using the scouts, my kids, she studied karate, my computer sister, just a beautiful family. We see,
there's like this. Every day yesterday I learned that the rabbi who married my daughter, wonderful man,
two sons there,
sheriff's officers as soon as they heard about the fighting. They simply left their families, put on the uniform and and went down south, and neither of them came home to being buried right now as we're talking, and so the pain is unbearable and
way back to I said before about the president's speech- can imagine what it meant for us to do that
the stories that were hearing- and I understand that the emotion of this- and that I can understand it frankly- but we're hearing these stories and seeing
faces
issue when there are children of that age, involve it's it's unthinkable and them
we certainly understand the
Oceans that are coming out through the eu
right now on behalf of an entire country, and
I wonder how significant
This moment is because of the extent of
barbarism in terms of the israeli response. How will the way that this?
to barbarism was carried out impact. The response
Israel here, you know been analyzed
but before David here too, we learned to read between the lines of political speeches and diplomatic speeches. So, in the middle of the present space, there was a line about how you know.
the: u s military operates according to law. We know that these really military operates according to law too, and in a very much in contradistinction to Hamas, which does not and what he was
simply saying
stood. It was that term ongoing
I'm here, I'm going up again
the dysfunctional congress, I'm going up against a bipartisan support for non involvement in the least military and tat tangled and I'm doing all this, but you
is your help me to help you, but
making sure you limit to the greatest possible extent.
in casualties, collateral damage. I understood that clearly and
It's going to be a huge challenge mentioned before cause we're going into a densely populated area about two main palestinians. The areas booby trapped its mind,
in between the bahamas, people don't wear uniforms, it's it's very difficult, distinguishing a civilian from a from a from a terrorists. In these situations I've been in them. I know how difficult this is and, and it will take,
possible measure to avoid that we re now you, the air forces operating the day, droplet
which they sent sms texts? They do this not cannot thing. It's a is a non explosive missile. They hit
top of the building and most people in the building noted that buildings maybe targeted, so they can all get out. That's that
the best we can do at this point and and
gus various ways of humanitarian corridors and support for you, no essential
foodstuffs and are
and medicines. I am sure that we take care of, but at the same time, is going to be a great shame.
And here's my I wanna get to your question on the document in any way,
there is a tremendous amount of anger.
And I've been. The last couple of days been tending a funeral funerals and morning sessions. She shivers and I talked to the families, and many of them were saying you know we we we we want vengeance, we want we're so so angry and it's going to
for any society now give you remember what amerika was like an unsafe timber. Twelve zero, two thousand one
that sense of anger and waited to control
the best we can and our soldiers and somebody soldiers me just like me. They ve known people who have been massacred.
Taken.
didn't in dismembered and and and rich, and if that is going to be a huge challenge for Israel as a society as a member
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