The following is conversation with teddy atlas, a legendary and at times controversial boxing trainer and commentator go into this conversation. Teddy was ready to talk. Boxing styles matches techniques tat. IX and his analysis of individual fighters MIKE Tyson. Michael Moore, glitch goes you sick. Again a genco triple g Canelo, Mohammed Alisha, gray, Leonard hag. Duran floyd and not on, and I guess said I came ready to talk boxing, but I stayed for something even bigger. the shakespearian human story of teddy atlas, custom motto and MIKE tyson It's a story about loyalty, betrayal, fear and greatness the story where nobody is perfect and everybody is human, to summarize in the early eighties. Young trainer, teddy atlas worked, was mentor. Custom model

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you wrote in the that your father had a big influence in your life. What since I ve learned about life for your father, oh years, the question you know. I've known because tomorrow, when I was with him up and all those years he used to say to me to me teddy, you learn through us. Moses believed us as true to if I know what it as Moses's I right, but it sounds good, but I love you as moses when my father, He wasn't a big talker whose here is a door and I when you around someone who a certain kind of life and does certain things penetrates his. He was, I am going to sound like an idiot right now, because on

no son? Ah, but it was the greatest I noticed doctor I win if I say I ever know. What's that mean You know what I mean. Are you a doctor who you know yeah, you gotta be like what does that mean, but other people have told me this yeah like legendary stories you do house causing how people like you said a lot of people have spoken about the impact. Had in their life he built to hospitals and able to house. Before the vote on a bridge in new york, I connect in brooklyn to stand on any he built it, so people could get for possible care. Couldn't afford a period, and everyone I looked at him as eccentric ne ne vous vous yeah, because he goes he he he would little We sneak patients, not sneaker many was dark tat was he could do what he wanted to accept, but he would bring peace within without an admitted.

during a push through demonstration, so there was no charge because they didn't have anything there was street. I remember being my only way to be with my father was to go. I has caused you got it off it there's no way. You know- and I want to ask us what a day has caused by the way tat we was eighty and entreat on sunday was better than like mcdonald's did I mean I'm only that deal with then you got medicine, you got everything and but He used to write around the holidays, so it's just certain things that I didn't understand, but I understood later where we would just drive certain areas and he just of son of his thought. He will pick up the hole and you know I'm not drunk I'm ten years old, yeah a move over a movie and out- and this is u him in a homeless guy- a couple a couple here. What are we consider three

for you know whatever was that's a big heart and then he took the has put trouble. So you know, There are questions that have to lose all other where I'd say dead did the sick. He goes well. Not none. When you put him in hospital, so I said the any try to explain things to me. You know he would try hidden talk, much Yes, the kind of works and the EU. Don't talk less onerous and he you he's things for me that he said, as several why you put them in the for dinner, yet often, of course, the sickness They were corks, but how? Why were you pull his it wasn't an alcohol rehab yell. So why you putting and it wasn't for the purpose of dry out he wasn't trying to cure- Let's put that far before we boom, we anoint emphasised,

you know like by teddy outside, so I like, when we finally get to the point where you put them in a year of because it's the holidays, I why you. while the holidays, Suno are good for certain people. I bet fathers. an arm and was always before the holidays before christmas, above whatever and Adam new use whatever, and as I said why I said because They remind people certain people of what they don't have, that duty of other people are enjoy the holidays, because what they have family, the unaware and every mind some their minus- that that's pretty profound here. and then I don't remember, because it and use the word suicide, but I got it like he, he basically, if it only serve put,

like. I just got it. I dunno has most I don't, but I just gotta like so they don't hurt that that's what chemicals! really. I don't think about tickled to derive a verbal eyes that, but they don't hurt himself, so Well, how does not work? Well, just basically we didn't. We wrote then I can be along the way. Be but they're going to get fed, they can be warm right, and this could be for three days to three days wherever and basically it's it's a bridge. So The funny thing is a ten year old. I I wanted it and I going to be connected to so I've I've I've enlisted myself in a job when, when, when he used to drop them off, he he would take them, get them in writing and And then the thing that I know again, he didn't say none, but are you noticed eggs and if you care

You don't know, you don't know, does not intervene. Ok, but if you can important you notice and this guy important to me. I just was I didn't know what a hero was. No clue. I love making manner I lie, will you may he's? I love. I love mohammed Ali. I I never, ever connected to my mind is heroes. Never my father, I didn't connected our body. Looking back now goodbye whose he was my first connects. You do here, the two you ever talk about how much you love each other. The word life is one thing not allowed there read his. I have my father's shown me love was we would in florida at an airport and an arm. We were. I was born in we don't as various pleasantville and their families born in new york, xenophobia and so

I was about to go back and I want to stay with my mother for whatever reason and saw a hero. He of course conceited. But nice he's ok here, whatever had very quiet, very and. there's a man who never showed emotion to anyone having for the most fatal, william o son, he just turned kiss me on the forehead and left an oath. I was like that's different. There is to remember that yeah, like that's weird, you lost them thirty years ago. How? How did that change? You. He made me realize that deals are used, for god

wolden realistic. When I was a kid I used to make deals for guide, let me die perform my father. And then you know you get older, you have kids, he blessed. Why did you make that deal? You know what I mean like. Thank you for not taking me on Eric yeah yeah. You know I. He met some I've muslins moments when I'd like to know what to do. Now. You know why I remember when I was I for one am house course here, Listen to music, He was a guy, he read, books too has. When you got older, he read books. to our blood vessel broken his eyes.

He only read nonfiction books, science, who loves. it was: generals, she's gonna couple book reports because I'm I didn't do the reading of the book tat. I prefer I a friggin book report to put in that. Reported, do not start the war. Stalingrad really was angry and who does we could? I tell you when you get an a, I got an a a a a. I just wrote what he told me. Tommy generals told me the times you told me strategy. He told me about the winter that came and destroyed the germans an end must always we're talking about an area of soviet would tougher than no germans, and you know the germans picture wrong opponent was already in a box of business yeah. I didn't even know it. you could get below it make a very important year. They they dig mismatched. They did. They made a mistake with the

can be opponent, and so when we would be driving in the car my foot, It would be in a trance and dad. he wasn't ignore me at all. He wishes with his thoughts. Who is he was where he was even here. The radio norma. I was went away was I did so I asked endless, DR and I said I am ass, I sat there. What do you think when you We in this place there oh you somewhere with what will I? What do you say? I. So what do you say and he said to me- I see what could be. I see what could be like. I ask you wanted you discover boxing were when did you

First fall in love with boxing went to save me. How did save ii? I was Those stupid violent kid, There was angry, not exactly Why was I ah I'd feeling real good in today's society? because there's a lot of angry kids out there- that don't think they know why they're angry I was. I was just out there get in fights, and I got this stupid thing from that. He tells the high got there. just run around. Don't stupid things, bad things, how people some people, physically. But I heard I heard my my my family. now- that's bs, so you only hurt yourself there or that that's a good way of it all alibi in it. You know, to put it live Some point to true usually finds its way. I like

To look like us has heard my supper. Was it obviously I was to set out on the streets with kids today grow up in a neighborhood I grow up. I grew up, it enabled were father, was attacked and am I won't dentistry to fund? they must stand down. I was a very tough neighbourhood court stapleton and most people down now on a corners. We should they could get up to hell, and I I must I could get down the hill, so I went out now and I am out with all these friends that became lifelong friends, and I I am I gravitated to Because I figured I lay a little bit, but yet I want her family. We were destroying family. We were at all My father was a doctor. You have time for none but being a data. You know I degree That is something you sacrifice onto it

really great at some so great, a maybe god major creighton and you too great yeah good, an and annoyed took with these stupid dangerous places day for me, but they just by other people too, because I got to the point I was don't robberies. Street of his eye was fighting everybody had, and you know what the most just part about it was, and I to this realization on my own, I'm all by myself. I figure I was really has taken You know these kids for the project, someone they got nothin you first, learn you don't have to be poor poor, you don't have to be deprived of certain things to be deprived and on because it

to think you deprived, and I was porn away, that I didn't have the only thing I wanted to have helped me so here I here I am where I'm out there doing these things in what made me more. How is more dangerous, and some of these cycle paths. Why was that better I cast away was re eva, but somebody psychopaths have really had nothing. You know really would obviously would kill you. I I was dangerous. almost the same I put four different reason. I notes we dig. What about to tell you? I figured it out because I felt it I thought I was on a righteous path. Thought I had a right because we're gonna get me my father back. Why Why I mean you know your site? Is you couldn't figure this out because.

All the people that had em were injured, people fractured people screwed up. He puts a ways but but hurt damage people. So I get damaged. I get him. So I was on a crusade. a righteous crusade where I thought it was ok. I had permission permission to do this terrible things. Quite frankly And the fight everyone into I did and then came almost to a crash, Don't know that in a winding open, rikers Alan, like an idiot. Not understanding the damage I did to his poor man at you know he was a great darted and he's gonna, see his son and How about you gonna, be like god, I was out on that day. You know

with the guys tat. I grew up with now yet of the case for the projects or as I described in I was one of them who he is dead now, so I was whose will happen, we were. We will need more than ever. We grow up outta of tat I allowed and they and he grew up in bali. He came from the from the project. When we got into a thing where we could somebody if we cut them off, yellow jumped out to fight and on. Turned out this five six or seven to us an arm and a way forward. They ran undecided right. There are you about. Black, for where are you staying out an arm? Maybe falconer and right in front of, like a spanish bodega Hannah. Really does happiness. Almost I actually saw guy is fighting the guys that that it had to fight

Then, all of a sudden I, for David, have one guy out of the way over an arm. Really, I noticed a guy go into his pocket, an arm. No. Why was gone his pocket hen. when he came out his pocket. I knew what it was right away was weird because and then guys just to hang out. There was the wind to this. They get into fads like on the streets and winter. At that time. I went to this cheap knife, but of his daughter was the we thought. Cool was a double seven. Adam and accordingly, or whatever Was TAT you could flick and I learned that afflict get off, but I never carried a knife, but by one may would have it averages. You haven't, you could flick it open, not a switchblade, but to a would you rest- and I was like-

here, I am in the middle, just figured fight and all of a sudden. How is the Davos haven't? You know, and and and so I'm like I gotta make a decision and I got I give either not do nothin, which muslin didn't seem like a great deal of great I couldn't get away with that. because you got leverages have afterwards in an and that's more difficult to live Then, whatever it is it that? Second, because that go away, you couldn't live with yourself a running away, just don't go away, I think not none to be brave. in london to private? Really it s got to do with just covered sets in life that for me

What have you deal with dissolve away? It's not like, like ok, deal with very good about whatever, but you you that you're out other thing his dear you can't you that, never that! Never! does the guides a memory of you being a coward. In that moment, that never ends, the thing I had at that my life stupid. Mine was a reputation that I would to stand up to. Third, certain extent that is like a dive for me was was why somethin, whatever biggest item, feel any worth anything else I never saw you dear father, connection of worth yourself. is your ground. So I know I've made a decision. Yes, I still regret, but I I actually things do slow down. They do and I actually said it's a double seven he's going to flick it in either so, but he's got to-

I get a split second either like I say to you that I do not in whatever. Why get to him before he gets it flicked. I went to get to it before you go and I am just as I got close to write. Didn't we favour I water into account approach because I cooperated. Well, I went right to an and just as I did he he he practice more than I did with the doubles having apparently because he was I bought. What was an and anyway What did you think? What did you think that happened? There was also a motion. You think you might die here not immediately. Took me a minute Slow learner I put my head right would new. I guess

I don't get into my face. I was it, there was gooey, it was warm and gooey, and I was like. I don't know what this means, but I don't want him off, but I think I knock an end, an arm by then and among now you know what I told about was home. You don't know who everyone is into their tacit at home alone, because you to tell me what I learned it. You say you want time cause to Vavasor. Seventy can you get up there? You know thought it was I thought I was So you go our friends and on procedure Because your eyes on a street hanging out with a hundred kids had night, sometimes on the street so. I was like

too many people that are now advocates on a street corner Friday saturday, I was a yag elephants. Go really will he said How about if I told you you may not have any likely, you don't have any and he goes just started. This thing is: if everyone can be tested. You me. everyone because you don't know about nobody to their task, because you know not because you know nothin and do you know something happened to test. If they were really free, the story about a guy, a guy came Tom. He was upset you observer, He was almost said because I I I just I just lost a friend you know

twenty years of friendship with our friends, our so called looks out because may as you quite what made you think you ever friends will now the guy gets insulted. Gus. Did you hear me? he goes. I I just told you twenty years, I've been friends with this guy. Why would you say that to me he said? Well I'll, say it again. What makes you think he was your friend he goes what ever happen in twenty years, other than chasing girls crisscross figured out when our first chase girls and drinking together and whatever else you'd do out on the street what ever gave you

inclination that there was a friend he goes. What ever, when did he risk himself to be a friend there? One was it dangerous to be afraid when was literature contest when was uncomfortable to be a friend there, and you know what the guy said to configure, how do scientists he said he said today, yeah and and- and today came for me and today today today today kept common for me today and, and that day my friend Billy had turned out. While I was fighting these whatever five six guys and where was Billy who's on the roof who's on the roof who's on the roof, he was my best friend.

On saturday where they take me to ask for an here's, the thing where my father, but what did Billy did do me when he got off. Thank god he did. He dragged me dragged me into this body. led me on a floor had started putting house and house. I vaguely remember this: they filled up with blood, I mean completely like reggie like like you put him under a shower, and now I the body or a scream scream like why of whatever and when scream and Anne S, chaos and, unlike like alarm, dunno, calm, weird, like real com and I'm just in his place, but things com

and oh said I here billy, he said We call of car called ambulance quality and these do not have one froze I'm starting to understand. Already people get frozen, situate, people, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, jason, paralysed people, and I was going into a fear. Business was learned I was there. I was given a learner early phd he'd fear here, an honest son genius. Belly genius really streak it here. I'm so upon a fig encounter jumped over the counter grand. The phone causes. No one wants is a cops, been shot and forget about it. easy, although we will have to that of our time. The couple days open up a lights being.

To a stretcher, pranced around rushed I felt everyone's anxiety except life. I had none but I thought everyone, society of fear, I was also obvious. Lack of these interests has cut. I know that stupid, but like this you really have an eye for fear: ass, fascinating studying it. But I had no choice. I got introduced in a crash course and they they put me an ambulance, and this is what I remember to your point- I'm sorry it took so long to get to it. I am other up. How do you do it again before this conversation is over, but I journey ere. I would get forget their pops up, so I I had a comfortable.

We may lose him and I'm like laughing to myself, I'm not laughing, because I'll never forget them that John wayne John wayne would have left. But I'm like hey luce, you guys are stupid, united, say that, but unlike loosely How does the greatest talk to the frequent world air there's nothing to worry about, For you, paw type and whacked out here would with fear and then there's none. to worry about tat time, as is my father so anyway, so there there there taken me into the nato we don't have Are you a couple days? Every mom, don't I've type, take em too data agreed to you as public health hospital Marie what was called at the time, but he was publicly and its in stable, two sorts cloth they got. So They take me, and I hear them on a radio you know but

the same stuff about women. We are more, we are moved an arm. I started work and they told me don't talk, but I'd like to talk about IRAN and I'm so again fear there's no fear, but a few. When we moved its only time, you really free life, and I know that sounds absurd, but really it is a story tat you really free life. I was but when you close a death to when you devoid of of of things dead, That normally hold you back that normally influence you in ways that that it all that none of the influence-

It's always positive influence to where you're, where you're in a pure place, where you're you're in a purely free place from or inhibitions from fear from anxiety from from joy. Joy can screw you up, and you're free from all these things, and I'm in this place to the back of an ambulance you're free yeah. I'm like I said, just give me the duct atlas and also will we have time: no, no, no, no, no you don't you have to get dark. Doubtless you have to get. This will stop them. this was not a mean. I finally forget the number and unlike paid administer sudden come out. I you stitch the What thing was forwarded to us it inside towards it ass I had thought of ours. I look after after after fifty That number does a man in a wider whatever sixty seventy eighty. Ninety, wherever I was fortunate misfortune and, of course they

I was further. They told me afterwards had miss my juggler literally by like, like a centimeter wherever an arm Then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Obviously I'm glad you write about the kind of guy to an end. They just missed. My eye was taken. Fair enough have his comrades me with a patch I mean I mean it's enough, then I get frequent think Item and look goes all the way here I mean it's euros, has pretty long head on. I don't know I was out and then somehow I sensed like their declared closer and it's amazing how very diseases in the car It's close that I see a shadow. I I felt a presence I did and I felt him he's a the eyes of powerful guy and I felt him

and I just see like a shadow, yellow and all the son of the current gets push back. and I can't really see it's dark him a little out of it but not completely. Out of it. Adam pushes to curtain back comes in and his hands, he knows or bandage. You know whatever, but his hand surveys and felt safe, and I felt it felt warm and safe. happy he got that hero d say something yeah yeah. Remember. I gave you a little bit of introduction to my father. I get home now a little bit right there, what he said, but he had he said these words. I look for this day what he said here that bad I we ve got out of with six of five people, but does I do remember he said they did a good job.

You gotta have a scholar, ass, your life and he left man, the job you mentioned cos. Tomorrow, legendary trainer and yours merchant turned out. He really cared about you in there. Book, you write about a testimony he gave us hoping I can read it because it speaks to your character, speak to his. his powerful. The testimony goes. Your honor. I realize you may not know much about me but spent my whole life, developing young men as a boxing match Gee I trained to world champions. Have you a champion for patterson? and light Hemingway champion jose. Tourists have also helped a lot other young boys trade, not their lives and bill character. I know things by thirty hours. This court doesn't know

You won't find em his arrest record this boy's character. his loyalty hurt himself before he led down a friend, his qualities of rare and this and be lost his made mistakes. val made mistakes, but I've come to know this boy the lose him be losing someone who can help a lot of people? Please don't take young boys future away, Could be someone special? Let's not lose him, please those a powerful words from powerful man. Oh, what have you learn about life him for mr custom off. He gave you quote, and he dropped into my head. I became his guy. You know he loved me. I loved him. He said to me.

teddy, no matter what a man's is as what he does in the end that he intended to do all along. So I learned cause percival is bs and a lot of people have said things just have to give them a minute to let them show you eventually What they really met by I was to from him that are everyone's afraid. This is why a set of another great say you'll get a kick out of this. Anyone who is in a situation where fears should be prevalent sphere is actually necessary his via the situation. Anyone who said

it's that they're not afraid, though one of two things there is a liar, a doktor find out what the fixed forward? He was right about that. we live in a taboo society where that word To a certain extent is taboo because it invokes weakness, we are just layers of what we saw and learned since we were kids. We all are dogs have those layers, that on my own money through some out under the day. Hum of fear. people will find their way of avoiding that term, so they use the word anxiety,

They use the word of butterflies. The apprehension man dividends my words. I find all those other words to be cousins of fear and fear. A few causes a lot of things alive aid because a lot of problems And it also solves a lot of problems without it, we couldn't be great. If we all agree that we have a chance to be great I'm widely to aspire to be great, how to steer connected greatness heather, Profound statement without fear we wouldn't be. Able to be great. It would be great without fail, because. Fear allows it to be brave, the most important word for me. In this whole. conversation right labour

be selfishness, It allows you to pay for a moment less selfish. higher things. I learn. I guess. partly on my own everyone. it's my greatest teach was cus. He was a great teacher or mentor. Her greatest hits was by far the one another talk, and I realize some one of the things to be better towards great is, if you can beat it. Submit less than we submit to one of the things that I'm afraid of one of the things I was always quitting, am I right it's kind of a good day, every business. I think yours yours is just more clear. Words were true.

in the moment at least yeah than the moment, you right one hundred percent, because something's heard for a long time afterwards. I know some like regret regret is the worst thing in the world because since the solitary sense and and of as a powerful phrase regret, the soldiers, and so why? I? U for guidelines It was an easy to are to her accumulate them. it was a little bit hurtful, but so submit less because we submit every day and if we can get place where we submit or compromise ourselves less. Will we get to a better place? You know, again, one of them one of the words for me that attaches to things they give you.

The wider hurting you in life and have me life. Ah, those books. Men words is the word of convenience. That's a test everything in helping people, people disappoint you not because they wanted to. you won't. Let you down betray you, because they want to betray you. They do because it's more convenient to do then than the other thing An old man once told me he said to me, I was trying to I to rationalize something I was trying to make some excuse to some china may place it's better than I was, I was trying to say, was okay and, and he just looked at me and he he likely, and he said, teddy taint. No such thing as being a little pregnant.

As you fragmentary and offering here We only and I will be the year tutoyer natural to either you're tougher you're, not tough, either He either you, you know committed or not committed. Either yearly up. That applies a lot of things here, including loyalty, that's quite a stir but the life levels: humanity. For me, his loyalty armitage. What to the vain. So far, everything s have some veins and some end of humanity has veins what runs the veins of humanity, Instead of blood to keep alive his loyalty without loyally words about loyalty with dead, were frequent walk. Will vessels. I never understood what a ghost ship was in a what

they got old. I know what a ghost ship is. His people, people that empty they get no loyalty. Therefore they got no humanity, never get nothing, therefore freak them fucked up, because then you know why they don't have loyalty convenience. and you know why, because it takes its hard to bewail- is actually hot I'll, be a sort of a gun. You tell where yes sounds great given to give it to repay me with it. It's great area of law Well yeah, but yeah. This is good. I'm ready! I'm on that team already put me in coach, I'm ready! Okay! Now you have to. Are you going to have to get hurt? What do we get? Our aids can be paying for me in her to be loyal. You know here you go.

Endanger because the person at you committed you loyalty to for reason because obviously did someone your life forever. Whatever is he actually going to get hurt to be loyal to gasly, going to hold on a minute wait hold on a minute coach, hold of court time out here and see Let me think about this culture. I need no more practice, I'm not ready for the game. I love ready to go in again, yet can be a little more practice coach and it hurts to be loyal. A freaking hurts, but without loyalty was, will go ships we got no strength. We got nothing We had not the week we got, we got nothin. I agree with you in a deep fundamental signs, but There is the payment. Of that. I have to ask you to interest Can this party your life, because

if you value for loyalty. as people know, you and custom motto trained young mike tyson and The interaction there, in the three of you- lead to the three of you party ways. Giving a value for lahti. Can you tell the whole story of what led up to this and may be the pain you felt from that. As of I guess, who's to secondary my life, I felt betrayed and the first time was when I was forever young.

And in an I got arrested, there was with all these old guys. Tough guy swallow an arm supposedly and now the detective separated us that's what they do at home: howdy they asked me how did wherever we can understand that the particulars of obviously what we did and now Are you sure, you're on inside your world, because your friends changed it and then these cubs lowood master? the devil cops. There was the way and are you gonna wait a bit rikers with them? We do this to you and I Instead of things, because, then, why said figure out

but you know, they're trying to get what they're trying to get in. You know going gonna change it and and no and but I felt very betrayed you know, and and especially when I was standing in the in the cell It's is looking at airplanes, leave Lagarde airport and then but I was on one We always make it like a deal guide that beyond one of those plans had let a crash I take a shot, was party proudly eating give up your friends, now, because I didn't understand a proud, was, I don't understand, not tonight, just understand. that rules are rules, you just loyal and that's it. I dont even there was enough, I didn't think do I know the cub said you could do this, but TAT there was no option

my father never had an option, but the betrayal of the private betrayal was like an so when cause we're partners Mean cause cause retired to stupid. Kick goes up, then. All of a sudden start training fighters. First, I want to gloves cause for me in a glass. I wanna gloves injury. Whatever bottom line. Is I still want to fight to approach I want to fight that was the plan. An arm and competitive implant cos Costs was like a guy and he had to set up a little bit whatever we'll get into it. The way you do me a favor and oh, I like to think he knew he was told me a favor, and you know what I do take you whose dont himself a little but want to, but it, but he was doing greater cause because he believed in this thing of boxing

he. He believed that a change light he believed there was worthwhile. He believed that there was a power to beyond the love, took the big picture box near he believed yeah. He believed that to be a champion had to be spread. We had to be small yet have character, yet that had to be a better person. and that you couldn't make a champion of you didn't make him a better person first and that that this you know this could strengthen. The people of this book is straight. The people knows way, so he he was married to it and he he was old and he needed those known in a jam as empty. It is above a police station which was crazy and he needed to the throne. He needed to pass rounds sullen and he saw some an oversight. He said he saw my careers advice was less important than to have

we become his add to the throne and become a trainer, his man, his guy, to continue that we could do a lot more for him and fov of everyone, not just him, but for everyone. It was more like to keep it going. Like lay couldn't die, he couldn't die. because was afraid that he would die with him and he committed his whole life to it. He didn't get married because of boxer, so he didn't so. He saw me as, as you know, the the little bit of you know the seed to plant for for more things to grow and before that plant died, and so he officer is. Can't fight, and I hope we will tell me that I go somewhere else and fight and I could but I couldn't write because I'd be disloyal loyalties. Everything is Couldn't leave cause any cotonou that an end, so

I couldn't live and he said you have been a bullet to teach. He said. Knowledge means nothing. They said see these per category. He had pre kind of the encyclopedias or the whole set in a library. He said you cities, all the knowledge of the world. Whatever is it nice, alright means nothing if you dont have somebody to convey it to people, otherwise it just sits on a bookshelf. Looks good Because you have the ability to convey knowledge to people, your teacher, you were born to be a teacher you'd like and you saw by only being a champion fighter because you'd only care. One person, you could take care of all kinds of people, and you could do you get to that you get to this, so we goin adventure took a minute because I believe him at first. finally, we hire their there of fires

and then he he gets me to buy it, I was a teacher and I started to listen. It is no wonder the germans dead. the sun is ten kids, fifteen, twenty twenty five, thirty thirty five, forty forty five cask obeissance club, which was never their doubts there and I'm train of fighters. Taken down south bronx to get experience? What are his former fight, his nose, quivers that the south bronx and take it down? get smoke- is to get fights with already outdated, wherein album greece can hold I dug I was fashionable. Ford was fashionable to have wholesome degrees. It made a lot of money with that, because I was on my knees with these little kids, nine years old, ten years old and eight years old, ten years, twelve thirteen fourteen book, all these kids and teach them building a job and costs only came once a week because he was so I retired, you know you're an uneasy and will you

once a week he knew he couldn't give me money, but he gave me more than money. He gave me praise, oh, and he said luck. What that reserve, Dolan he's creating champions- and I was like oh yeah, while doing good an end. nor the sun. After four years of that, because I was up there, seventy is eight years ages. But the tree there for years that we get a phone call that they get this kid I didn't try on prison from the guys that new costs by persky and misery they deserve greater officer, name Bobby Stewart who you box and cause had helped about a little bit bluebird and now I made no, we just now. There was really starting to become some because we would have taught him and said everything else. The gloves that guy we get this kid MIKE tyson, he he's he's twelve years old is one hundred. Ninety pounds is a mess but poverty.

you'll get involved with them in all of the former fighter and he's dead. A liking toward it, now waited. David awarded Elizabeth. Anyone now is listening because Bobby's gonna, the current is hit a teacher. accident. Now he said the point now What you to take a look you and teddy wriggled out. What would you think when you first saw? like this? While I want was his purse certificate because he ninety pounds, twelve years old and all solid air and in a valley but yeah, just physically, just as a fifth year, specimen and and bigger yeah. And Who is it cause he's right? I was a teacher who is right and he was tested even that day. So we take- sizeable wagon and none in the back of the figures about they knocked to Baghdad? we got a problem with

We got an order to put them in that weight. I didn't have anyone that way. We got to test them, everyone's gotta be tested, and- and so you gotta put them in responsibly, but let's put them in too. it's fun, but does put a moon buggy stored form of profiled ad for typifies smaller than the tightened I was when he was fighting was one seventy five, but still he's twenty eight years old, Titus twelve come on and he'll work with, so so we put our thyssen. He recognized the moment. He understood this was an audition. This was a chance here. This was that tv show change your life and he understood that a view pass the audition. could changed possibly changes. I was sure what how could you sure what exactly but we'd better what he had and saw him what do you want it here We understood what we would want to see ferocious nurse toughness,

ah character desire, you know and, of course, ability We saw the ability power speed, but it was. It was a bright. I was on toward it was soon war. He didn't know really much at all at all, but we Well that what you want and show more. He knew that wasn't enough again innate intelligence. He He had to show a desire to show toughness, and so I was we respond well to two rounds. Hudson Normally, I don't put a guy in the box into maybe for about five or six months eight months time. It depends what it takes to learn on the floor before passport or put him in a ring to isolate taken. Incoming real lives, shells instead of blacks and saw nowhere would not admit,

and I know I have today he wouldn't be in a ring again. If I train, I would teach him first and then get back in a few months, but for this day, whose dolly way. It's kind of like I used to read it out: because loved it towards freedom fighter woody Where would you look for trying to find a teddy in? Oh? Yes, it is ridiculous christ, just a test me, I say go to macy's where he loved it. I tell him, I said it's like go to macy's window of christian. He goes. What do you mean makes you were the cause was like? Oh bobo. So what did we raise you? Whether you go to macy's, went on? They get the window, everything you want to see everything in there and it looks great on everything and and yeah and then what well, then, you ask what's in a warehouse and they tell you nothing, Yes, that's it that's a trader and I wanted to see what was in the warehouse.

if they saw what was in the macy's window. I saw the power so to speak, so he goes two rounds and he gets a bloody nose. Here's the weird dick, not weird! very telling. We know we don't know braggin We know who don't because he got a blade, all we're going to get it. After that blue. He never got another playing off in oh I didn't get it could. He learned is still strong, blue, smaller anyway eagle- two hours and I saw I don't be responsible because it because more, it's not responsible so when it needs to see. I saw speeded up so athleticism I saw. I don't believe I don't lie to me. I do not lie in china, tough when he was a really feel tough. It didn't matter. Cause questioned me on it afterwards. What did you see how I said he got your master. You know again, He was a baby money, so we had to give me some right in now is better than TAT was currency young

where's the wool young master. You don't worry. I felt like the guy come do you know where I get a movie by council apa when you're ready when you could take this out of my hand, you can leave and as powerful as it was it worked. Cars knew how to work me. I made an error worked and, and so but you know what I didn't by being worked I can't I knew I was being suffered a little bit. You make it sound. Have been negative but is also extremely positive. That's a teacher. instilling wisdom in to you that you carry forward an impact in a lot of people can get the job done, but he did in his way and I didn't falada with a myriad of reasons and but at the end The day was all good and I just I understand that, eventually later on, but I need you. Same you. Do things your way and carry some of whom in you

some of your father and yeah that day, you know that day was funny because when cars, so what did you see teddy when him? after two rounds, I got to put a ring. I knew I was going to train him. Obviously we are all going to say no and he's still at about four months to serve and we were going to work it off and When I got up on a ring apron, that's my job on the boss, you people later on in life, call me a dictator. You not, I said, yeah you're right. I did that ip you mean I might be hammered dictator, I'm a train on the boss. Charge? If I were you wouldn't be here? If I was what the fuck need me for not fitting to charge, you idiot yet there might well. What do you think? It's a shared responsibility now it's my responsibility. That's why you're here yeah I'm in charge You shouldn't be: have you done instead, it so.

I get up there and I know that I'm going to train them, I'm going to show me the buses, you know being really frank. So I get up updates that set out now in other states. Now let me go I to do another hour. I won't do another hour. I said how did you hear what I said, because I know is that you know he was going to test me says me, as I said I said, get out. He got to where were you impressed with the fact that you won't give gardener yes and I recognize what really was so carstairs me. What was that? Because we know what the young master saw so caused her? What was that I said was some whose enact you saw that Did you really want to go? I said no, Is it really wanna go, but he knew that we want them to go and he made

himself ready to go in order to satisfy, and that's just as good a cassette they're right, it's just as good all that matters was that will not not how he got there, but that he got there. That's all that matters that he got there, that it got to the place to act like a fighter to to do what we want him to do, to be ready to present the year to go beyond the comfort level to do another round. He didn't want to their mighty do want to, but he knew we want him to and he knew in order to pass the test. He had to do it and he said he alright. He goes now. It's going to be your job to teach him To make him a fight it, they don't get bloody noses, they don't get head and we'll get that place without being coerced to get. There get to that place on his own instead of using

things tat he had to use to get to that place today, those things that are going to be available one day. When you listen to this, you talk about a man. Being prophetic, of course, was pretty good and you talk about matthew, not the job of money lex. He he says how do you think he finishes the sense he goes because someday you do because you're all I have to make sure that realise these things, because you be your be your you heavyweight kept. What did you just say? He's twelve years old If, if he has been arrested, thirty times he's get out of jail, As you know, a juvenile detention, triad, asia, ass in a lot of waste, is a lot of things, we find out later a lot of problems, weaknesses, so he goes and you have to that's part of your job. That'll be part of your job and but he really.

Said that he had any turned to me because you wanna come those young man, you want a real fighter Lee S, even that the cost to be right away. You think, tat. I said a wayside. Yes, the we're the way said. Yes, yes, sir, I! So what do you think about that? I had with talk- and I said I agree that polite never down the road hey again, he knew that that's what he felt that he needed to to project himself as to to present himself as to to get away want to get to. He goes. He have Yeah yeah: did you see what cause we're seeing in terms of the heavyweight champion of the world? Not again be easiest ads would be yes to the factory earth genius wow wow. That is brow layer. No, no! No! No, but again it was my job and I just had my job

with simple, simpler than kosis cause new too much. I knew not that I just knew rudiments and I knew what it took to be a fighter and- and I had a executed, the steps of executing it. So I took those steps the the rest of it. You get blurred by those other things. I wasn't blurred by those other things I it was, it was just get them into gym, make them mentally stronger, make them face things and teach them how to. punches. I n and create holes and fill those frickin holes with devastating prejudice costs. And what are you going to do? I'm going to teach them to fill holes and fill them with punches were better tensions and now became the monica I would say that I'm told bunch of a bad intentions issuer and on how do you make a mentally tougher so that part of the job? He said the don't get a bloody knows, but the part of the job or makes a medley tougher. I do that wasn't,

Imported job to make your facings gone face ways lindorms halfway submitting when we start to compensate for submission, submit less sublet, less submit less everyday submit. Less cause only come. The germans, who are a while Spiny would come because that was his nose. His pride tat was tabulate. Now he came in. I put life income cause at life. He will lose a little life, but that made the light, bulb brighter, get added and was great to see. I felt proud of that. I felt connected to that and that's why, when when, when it all went bad and caused took aside that dolly side. He could take this if the next heavyweight champ of the world, but he but he left me his partner, the young master and of the second time I give portrait and I'm like.

For why don't everything has taught me said to me Was a liar, I won't be any part of it anymore So I got a little more mature and I got a little pass that where was able. to understand. I was able to understand that. Just because somebody that pussy His great every area has you find the b we in certain areas, doesn't mean that they can still be what they want to hear. It's something that. Some they can be understood or forgiven it's hard as hard to

that place of forgive somebody in that kind of way that I felt the trade, because. has told me there was one thing was wanted toby me me because I was cause cars me, for that reason that he went to court was because give up any body? Even old man? put me in a risk of going to jail for ten years and an cost felt tat he might those traits and So I assume that he he would show saved rates and he took a deal. He took a deal it took a deal he he. He signed the papers that those that those so called feds have signed. You know he he he took a deal to to. You know to they have the huge heavyweight cap. As it turned out

an end to. Let me to let me go to sign the delta to. Let me take take the weight for people who don't MIKE was in it way with a young girl. You put the gun item enough there's a deeper things to say about. the situation. But why do you think us made the decision to cut you off from both MIKE tyson air from costs us tomorrow to break that, when he valued lord, I serve any purpose. I got him to the we needed to get for life I jump. If I was in gym at that particular time, tighten up would have been an agenda would have been no jim to brigham token. when a cord up and made that phone call to bring him to the gym. There would have been no activity. There would have been bottom programme. There would be no no train a trade in them

one in four seven away. I was where cause was incapable of doing that at that point in his life, but then again it's not poor. Teddy. I get the benefit of Ray I get the benefit of law that I get the benefit of a life. I get the benefit of learning of of becoming Hopefully, about a person, I get the benefit of being portrayed again what the hell was. They were right there. I don't know what but if that is the can learn to forgive weakness, it all. When you realize how. how easy it is to be weak, and And when you realise that somebody, as we, how did you get to the point where you you could forgive so, pretty good question, pretty simple, pretty basic, pretty important right and I didn't

I didn't understand I understood, but I did understand immediately for me. I said. How could I not forgive somebody. it becomes easier, learn how to forgive when you still. Forgive yourself. When you stole a process of trying to forgive yourself, fool. You own it. this is a betrayal of people like my father in different ways tat we forget variously, because a teddy and its way of surviving. It's a lot easier to to figure it out a rash eliza too, to define forgiven when you realise that you still haven't figured out completely how to forgive yourself.

I'm still trying to figure that out an arm so that help me figure out how to forgive us. Because to figure out how to forgive me, I had understood why he did these things where the, where the weaknesses came from whether selfishness came from where the convenience came from, that they really existed, but they didn't exist for malice. They for me that be prepared to understand tat. I could be stronger to want to be stronger and then I looked it cause he want we struggle, but he got to appoint life where he had been strong, follow out of his life, he was strong, would mean He was strongly worded things in his life and does having

We deserve a pass, a life where he got it got to a place where everything was in one basket the basket, sing. He once told me that he never got married because it would be on it would be selfish to a woman took mary, when his whole life was boxing that couldn't give can he couldn't give to her? He go and and I thought about it. He had no money really and Jim Jegu bill came to care the bills so he did really need money that way, but the war what was the pay off for that kind of life? That kind of commitment that kind of thing quite really still was the pay off the pay off was have champions to have a champion. That would keep your name alive you know that word legacy like what does it mean? Sometimes it's it's just a word. Sometimes

It is more than a work, it's it's as a reprieve. It's a pension plant is, is we have given a pension on your way out for the rest of your life for it for you, wherever you go and you're going to wherever you go, for eternity and it it's it's. The only thing that you take with you as what you left behind and forecasts. It was all about. Leaving behind a mark. A mark that of champion year was attached to ego. We all have a year was attached to some selfishness at all, but there was also touched to wanting to leave something great bite. They know that you're part of it that you existed for reasons that dead tat. You see comprised for reason and all that we can pain. I brought my father. I was search

for somethin yeah made it into a righteous search. I made it. I did, and I made it to iowa. It was okay, because it was righteous that I, but it still did damage and still did damage still heard people that still betrayed my father's trust and caused portrayed mine, but he didn't do it maliciously. He he did it out of again. My father came home is how you gonna connected. My father came home from from work made twelve o clock you. I was wait now. Centres of nineteen years old and he got madam. He goes. But what are you doin up her wait for? You will feel an arm he so we're gonna bet, as you know why What were we thought? Tat was her task for you this

Why were you this holy the ancillary you he said there was a basin of dissipation said. Oh, he was be better now because you're his doctor, because my father could fix anything. I follow not and gotten away of the truth. Nothin nothin even blown his sons bubble matter factly. He said to me: now, you're gonna get bet he's gonna die alone. So as a nine year old kid. You know your kid you're selfish and not in a bad way, but you know you want. Would you- and I said, oh, I said two things. First, I said how has your his doctor? How are we a campy and then I said:

I just said iran was angry, then why were you there like? You should have been here with me there and had already said to me: cause you don't give up on life, go to bed and give up on life and that I finally connected dots. Does idiot didn't graduated high school? I finally connected to tat I was asking cause to give up on life. You know you don't give up on life you don't give up on aspirations of life life is all forms of life does have to be a visible form of it. It's life, I have no reason to be alive a reason to have tomorrow and- and this is only reason to have tomorrow, will have another. We weigh chip teddy at.

This, even though we were together all those years, and we will partners and we trade the gap, and we would we will you know, woe only thing: we That was what they did in the indian movies. Where were they the finger and they became blood brother spearheads, tat, dorothy. We didn't know what I felt like. We did, that without cutting and Now here we are still an he wigan betrayed me. Does and an and then all of a sudden I connected the desert like eating, betray me unknown in tat. Coal sense. He they may have argued for life. years later, MIKE tyson, apologise to you what what what's meaningful to you about that? How does that fit? The story? I wouldn't be the great gracious guy

say: oh I'm, so you human that that now a man's man enough to say sorry, that's it we're good I want to be, well adapted stead, stead of as the best presentation of tat was. I could put our days a good guy. He forgives, he he's a good guy? He's a he's, a he's, a stand up guy and he's a good guy, I'm not sure if he truly did it For himself tat, he really did it because he felt that it was true. But These persuaded, by other things, he was in a mirror. I know and taken to deep I know, but what am I gonna do. It was in the middle of twelve steps with you. Don't get out of drugs, alcohol, twelve steps, which is it

global commemorate both really it is, and it has taken a step to positive the steps was to admit or to apologize to people. You offended her life, ok, but. Are you dollar for the twelve step, so you don't have, because you really truly have come to terms with believing what you did. was that hurtful to me and that it matters to you that it was that hurtful to be you are warm and doing. Did you don't know that I know that I'm a frigging idiot, yeah you're you're you're a teddy fucking you're you're. You should be better than that he's better than you here, maybe you're better than me. Maybe yes really seriously! Maybe years and I took it, he put his hand. I took it.

We hold, he said, I love you, I yeah yeah I, but I want to believe. But what cause tell me no matter what a man says does what he does it again, that he intends the door along so today's date today? Was it really genuine or was it reflexive of that moment to get what he needed to europe for that step, or was it truly for what I aid to the really that evil?

we cared that he? What he did to me caused me to do what I did, because I did something that was pretty damn bad to him too, as he able to deal with that and put that way it has to be put. Is he able to put that or was that just he did something he had to do, and maybe he sorry he did it. I know of Look I appreciated that he I would rather bitter private place we'll be right now you are in the middle of common, a fight and he walked up behind you in he said you was, he shook her hand, give yard. I didn't I said, love you yeah, he's emotional. I get emotional, but. But but he he's emotion he could be and he can be. I guess

why people have a fascination in a love affair with her right now, because he was because in all areas He was the media, the media, that, when a girl the sky that is live, they didn't see their parents tone of about it. There was a media that came across the sky one day and then the media is walk around in a room now and next, a meteorite. and then edit icily landed here and that sit right there, And- and and now he's come a long way and now he's it always more human and and he's lovable. You know and and a compassionate and he cries and I get the past. I get the love affair, I get it because we it heralds, will people that want to forget what people that we want. Be good. We and potter being good is to forgive people to show compassion to people, and

oh and when somebody's been damaged to knows they bid damage to acknowledge that you not a bit damage, and you, about them being damaged, and how do you show care to admiration? You know, in some ways almost through adulteration and he's get not elation from people like you know what to the global level. It is because some phenomena, but but I get It- I understand it at home-. I don't know he gets it. I don't of underneath. All of this he's a complex guises, sensitive guy, I don't know, and I have to come. I gotta go about another complex guy. I dont know if on the need to draw where he's really truly, as far as that day that he said that is there a part of you that sorry to MIKE, for

Sorry, I can't I'm nuts listeners fair. I I know, Dimensions of humans. You too well did not I know that he still has to have certain, because I have those strong feels what it's not fair for him to have him there right is fair. Now now he could look at it as if he was to be held to his word. That night that he just acknowledges that what happened he deserved, because what he'd you know the position he put me in and he put himself in what he did and I wouldn't change. None you know still year, you don't regret, point got enough. I regret that I had to yeah. I regret very much. that. I had to that,

I read very much how he crossed the line, how he hated him for put me in that position that that you know how dare he think that that somebody feels that at trivial. Tat the way I would feel about myself in a way the girl would feel about ourself those Eleven years old, the type has she would feel about ourselves, How dare they he'd take instead trivial, that you know. Then I shall be ready to friggin to both die and kill for that. Why didn't custom? Oh. See it in a deeper away in talk through it. The word came back to me, but of course what does it mean? The word came back to me that cause said you were right, but if he took decided teddy, he would destroy potentially a great great fighter. Why? Why do you think that that okay, fewer

try to understand the point you are making. Why why's? That true is, is isn't the part of greatness that you said is built. the character of knowing what is right. Will you know cause was afraid to go. There were used to not be afraid because it's kind of like you'd. Never fraid of going up, I I get it you know when I try to fight it now. If I come out of time, I try to fight it out. I feel in camp like I feel like I'm on death row every day that that of every day. I'd try to retrace my memory as they did. I feel this way when I was young, I don't remember, feel this way. I feel every day a dreadful feeling that are vital, does right. I've betrayed everything I betrayed. The fight is trust between

it's what I'm supposed to be and then what one day I tried to figure it out. Why do I feel this way so intense? I was in camp for two months: training guide for the world title a couple of years. So if I know how to put in the world at the time- and now- donna stevenson and the fight against ukrainian and an hour is still brought in to train of that fight at ease. was to me and changed his whole style. Trust me oh my god- I went to bed every night like praying dread, waken up dread, my stomach down here area sake? What one of my fellow what what a very thing that I told him was going to happen, don't happen. What have I failed him? What what if he trusted me, and I I betrayed that trust and the thing was the lucas was you know he used to be strong. The net, and then I tried to figure out why I got this way

and why was so dreadful to me a wire? I goes on death row, everyday training, a fighter like tat. I do enough, they do. I will work What will we accomplish? What we will we accomplish? What I promise them? We would accomplish what I keep my word and and then I started How did I become is weak. How did I because I was a pretty strong for good guy. How do they become this week and folly? I think I think You know why, because how always work to get up, but once I found get up now is looking doubt, and I finally hit me, I don't want to lose. I suppose not the loose on my way up. Now. Some something lose when you up there looking down nez where he was. and energy it has caused caused cause was at the end of his rope, you he accomplished or to world chant all this stuff right, everything he and And- and he did it right now all of a sudden you're about moving forward. It was about. Falling down

holy cow. I was like I got it cause I got it. I got it. You'll want to fall down. Oh my god, you dont want and he is, was his last chance? You don't give up my life This was the last chance to live forever, to make everything he did worthwhile to have the youngest- it wasn't just every which way you gotta remember, was the youngest heavyweight chip ever and to have dad was ok to die now and has lost, He saw a name teddy. I was gonna, get no way of gatt. That's a tidal wave! that they ain't no war. That's been made high enough to stop that title way, and now I stop myself here. There is but but have to be

for big one, and you know why. Who are we to say that we could ever built that war, that pig whose any of the almighty say. Do you think if you were to put yourself in the shoes of course as tomorrow? Can you see yourself in the big enough war or you choose loyalty, revised answered away. I fear I will then Denham we're on making myself John Wayne again I answered, and here I think worth EU law is in no matter what a man says what it does in the end that he intends to taller. In make tat up costed and and when when this all went down. Those words came freakin, echoing into my friggin ears I didn't, item cotton doesn't help and they figure commented to me is what are you store mature kid at the time,

it all. I was young stolen If your kid at the time, what the freak do you think my response was, you are full of air and at, but I got past that do you forgive us, have you found forgiveness, ellison I forget, because he gave me more than he took away from me. If I can look her manner? Might if I can at least acknowledge that have be grateful for that he gave me more than he took from me at home- are grateful for that most grateful for what I gave him that I had added there that I I did give himself an arm at that point as life in all place a play.

Still the still have test tubes and numb chemistry. Experiments in a laboratory awakened still create great fire. and I hope, give no help to us that lab and rigour, That lab was there and no does that there was the existence of test tubes and the place because he can't frequent do experiments without test tubes, now you're the scientists, but a destiny. yeah. I guess so. I know I I I hope that on What I said earlier. This is really. it's really my thread through this whole thing. When you they can you forgive cuss hum. I. I'm still trying to forgive myself and

If I can have hope that I can forgive myself, I think that hope has to start with the power to forgive someone else. How can I ever forgive myself for my failings and figure it out if I can start and practices. By forgiving someone else to some shortcomings and for me that's. first paused only sense of sometimes a very hard thing to make sense of that that that's my northstar her. That's that's mike this clause is to make me laugh the you know him did everything together, we dry and we get Was the city would get lost in a proper and he get or frustrated? That was your great.

Trainer- would just turn you around. You spend your wrap. Your loss and isaac me, or we It was the only one I would argue, and I was really funny sometimes, and I said we owe me you over we'll good. I don't go because you're lost lost. what are you talking about and then all of a sudden couldn't give him. He just could admit. He couldn't give ingenuity said to me or any goes When I was an army via a cup. like you, get out of the woods as a in the woods. Wouldn't I, We don't have accomplished cause costs just drunk dog. You owe me I'm terrible driving. I want. I want it back to catskill. We just finished at the browser. It's been a long day.

Visiting the murder, raising houses and everything else that dead. He took me to a further eighteen hundred time and and he would fall asleep can always get older. You and you just for sleeping car, so What do you think? I want a low fares right because move forwards, sleepy sid don't speak, so I dont consider myself I try to be an honest guy. I try to be efficient but You know it was a fine exactly what I figure only try to do less submitting really in all phases, tried submit a little less tried a lie. A little less today, a little less gotta get strong, try to get a little better. So here we are

I'm woodrow and all of a sudden he sli I. What did I do? Eighty, seventy five, probably probably did you know whatever and all of a sudden he wakes up. He was speeding or I lie, nor was it dalai lama. He lied again hey you spin valve come on this guy he's. You know what I mean. He's he's he's unbelievable, so I get a friggin. You know he's he's david copperfield our another trick. I wonder how he that he made this thing disappear. So I said we talk. How do you know he goes cause? I timed you. I looked at the post number and I'm like why

I looked at the pope's number on the side of the road where we walk whatever miles and I never knew they even existed. I looked and I said, yeah there's little numbers, you start timing and he goes to sleep yeah. He timed it nilo. He called we couldn't. from here today and that not a time allows You will go and seventy five zadig like items of my men are right, only approached it, you don't. get the mileage to my plow part right. It's enough that you got yeah, that's enough from yeah, I said I'm not gonna! Do that! No one here and just help me crazy ways where there will be. Times where I wanted to be. You know where you wanted to be whatever fight, convenient, weak, submit, writing and then all of a sudden.

the some comes in my mind, cause whose there were a stopwatch ever and I'd be like No, you know where I was. I didn't say yes to whatever that yeah particular situation was similar. Yes, you're great, hey the record. Never had a phone call like this is hotel security and the question is he asked me? Are you ok, sir? Are you? Okay? Are we ok? I think so I I did so so far yeah. You know I can only go like so far is kind of like that old joke. You know where the guide

It's thought the empire state building and for now he's gone. You know Asia florida heavily for sixty four of the get past. Fifty floor looking out the window, because how my door so far so good I dont know words it's end, but. though my deserts cancer by may be one of the great boxes, one of the greatest boxes, wartime, halo boxes away, on the positive side me him great although we will have a great, I know it's sensational, I know he was the greatest mix of maybe speed. However, I know is one of the greatest punches from either side of the play left or right has been great punches. Just right. Am I going to shave isn t wilder and max bear. It- has ever been anyone oak punches good as he did on either side woody than other than just lose a few others.

Others have been such a carbon We of speed and power to the pure love, Tat he had a pure lever, No, there was ever as good a fighter as title was worth maybe one night he was great way was test but he might have been ready to be tested at one night against Michael sphinx. They took him upon ninety seconds. I think I saw Great fight it at night, I don't you you can be great unless Have all. The requirements are being great. What does it take to be a great fire truly great. To not rely on someone else's week has to be strong. To be strong on you too. after he relied on other people's weakness, whether it stood by in intimidated or whether was because his time.

There was so much greater than is that it was like no monster truck in there with the volkswagen and evokes what who's. Gonna, get crush No matter how much horse power of We might have had under the hood, and you put on the road was It crushed a monster truck was not allowed to be a contest and. to be able to find a way when you talent, wasn enough. He didn't find a way when his tat wasn't enough. Anyway. Making statements of I am not ready to put some evidence you know like. If we win a court room exhibit a and when he fought when he fought buster douglas and both the douglas matched his will and didn't. At intervals stood up to. he didn't do what most people did. He didn't submit even a little bit, not that night he had in the past.

but that night in. Why? Because buster have. Was that a single weapon at night, his mother, his mother died a few months previous. He loves his mother very much faster, Had always had talent, big heavy weight, talented, compulsory, technically solid, he was all those things always was, but he could in fights he gave did lest he should have done. He never lived up this ability he gave in he submitted. He was the stronger. He never had a reason to be strong enough. What mother died. He had a reason. Nothin could hurt. Him much as his mother dying heard. Him MIKE tyson included that night mike tyson Could not hurt him ass, much ass, his mother had heard and by died That night, he had a reason to be strong for his mother. and he was strongest everything you supposed to be a more and he stood up to MIKE Mike.

For the first time, maybe ever was If we had overcome some, we to be more than talented, more than a puncture. more than a guy was scintillating speed and he wasn't and nice guy, followed by another night, with only fuel wholesale, wasn't it founded, is him as big as much puncher but wholly filled? Had the carrier he was stronger ways the tyson was struck strong and away where he could find away. He was willing to find the way He's willing to go to the cliff to truly die before he said you don't let us dollars just worth They could have to carry me out onto showed the issue. Sure ok, yeah! Until it comes I have to be carried out on the shield. Sometimes there's been,

that actually mean it. You they might have little wow I ate say arbitrarily I dont have a striking for me as they was fifty five. Five, I know yet about five. Those I'd is saving Fifty five in five right lot of narcos. I ever said of fights not a fight until there's some to overcome until the end. It's just an athletic exhibition contest, yeah, who's, a better athlete, Who's got more quick, twitch fibres who's who, whose more devalues better this, whose who'd more developed dunno. Physical areas, but a fight is not a fight until there's something to overcome. Okay. Ok, so you go by definition. Webster's my definition, but I'd think mean some.

By title was only five writes in his life, the five fights where there was a sudden overcome overcome. It need not be waiting for this, including ties it. I urge them hate me, oh you're, Haider. Could you want with a view to make the money, because this? Because that, because you got the trick, I take a better than that. I hope on better than I believe on better than that. I'm not ada. I've broadcast fight twenty five years on it is being whether some people in a corner I did not like and if they did a good job, this guy's doing a great job. Agenda will guys that I liked and friendship you here. You must stop and we will Friends, no more friends! You gotta be tested. Remember that we won't friends no more, but why would I do that? Because it was my job.

More important for me what, what it's all over with The thing you love with is, I mean. we're gonna be dust. All of us right, the they were left with. Is What carries on a reputation of needles legacy wherever that is what our reputation a sober love with, and so our kids are left with. wanted to be as good as it could be. I've always had of ability. I've done a lot of things I have a lot of likings but the one story I've had a I had straight I understand. Somehow small, I guess to learn the lesson that was important. Is not woodson funny you for those five seconds

at moment in life. What's left behind you when I was five seconds, are gone, that what whatever it is that you deal with You know wherever, though, that model is whatever they that moment. Would you do in that moment? The action of that moment is going to stay with you and be you it's going to become you what what you face for that moment. It's gone, it's it's gone in the air in an instant, it's gone, it's done! What do you take where you stand up, then you get shot in the head? the guy, the composure brains out or you friggin. Yet you stand up here

in a guy who's like an on the scary guy to fight? Could you fight him and you beat them? We beat you up, but how you represented yourself in that moment is all that matters It's gonna, look what happened to matter. It don't matter that you guys Shatner had. I know this sounds absurd, but if you believe that was important to stand up and had take the chance to get shatner figurehead, rather dental like an empty vessel in our that sort of thing. Matters as somehow tat, guy friggin wrapped into this freaking ahead of my like that's what matters That's all that matters many times I went like I the things whether was with this one would pay so

I don't wanna be. I was scared to death of, but I was more scared I was more scared living or their grant how I would have felt now. Wanna be in solitary confinement as a life with that freaking guy So next to me call regret at all figure: wanna be next guy. when, if we go down that road, I watch papua I mean I get my fell from that, but I know if we can live it, I'm afraid well, my children are taken me if I. Found those areas. Why? Because that's fine When I closed my eyes the last time I I don't wanna. Have that fear. I do want to have tat fear you know when I go down now or I'm going up there. You know I I I love, because I I

I was wrong guys he is allowed to do so when we talk about that in just it all, and now I will get a kick out of this. One guy who've been around the block a few times when needed they teddy. I worried about tat. I got friends in both places as a good as I and I thought it, I thought it was good, listen! My title, you want me to say was a grave finer than you want me betray what I really do. You know what I mean you want me to do- that- I ain't doing listen, I could do to be obligatory atlas and I know good work for me. I know it would be too great. No work for me. I know it would be made me more popular in certain airy. I know it and that that top that that done, I also know what else who would do to me, and I wanted to do that to me

I think it was a great talent. I dig maybe the night but Michael, thanks, maybe the might night, my maybe you could have been that fighter. Maybe but you never really get tested, but he might been ready, no matter what I have to be tested at night, that's how could he was dead? For even always a guy who used to be a light heavyweight again, but was still guy bid larry arms was to add some left. Michael speaks so at a grip, Many limpid called medalists, but at us his reply to one of the great light heavyweights of all time. You know my was he was a media. He was a media that stock, of course, and not to any media, and we still talk about and and and unlike like covered, he came back and he's walkin around and he's me has become. Greater, have this career more loved, more be love more old and he's been forgiven. He found the fountain of forgiven I don't know I wish I could find that,

where he has been forgotten for all his shortcomings or the things that he may have done. not have done, we don't know only him, god now, but he's been given of all that and he's been not only forgiven, ease rise above it and and above that, and been brought above. That is good. To the pyramids of of of the greatest atlas, did that that is in the world and in every way everywhere. a person as a fighter as a historian as a free gear. As a celebrity, I mean even a philosopher everything, so I take it back, I write all you guys out there. You forgive me he's the greatest of all time, You'd would laid all that if you

have laid everything I just tried to describe and explain. If you put that war, the greatest of all tat yeah he, but he still be one five of regular fifty five fight he might and terry atlas his book. I get I got friends about places, so I ok, wherever I go, company somebody. There will likely, despite me, saying this, he might beyond five because of five fights where there was some to overcome, which really defines a fight. He came. He he didn't find a way. Let me ask teddy hours to interests on the human nature. Here is part of the complexities of your feelings. On this whole thing is that you know to some degree, who were coaching MIKE tyson? He could be truly great

try, no color gonna cut you right because you, as a million dollar question, I we should in fact did. You did since when do I get paid twice to they get the words out of my mouth, why you are where you are and that's why I'm here the humility forget it. I'm gonna. Again full disclosure, it's important right and I'm going to cheat from going to take summer courses, wisdom or a little bit of my their cars told somebody teddy ATLAS got his way. He might have been a better person. but we would have risk of not being a great fighter.

I believe, and I thought costed and I think he did up to that point- his life that part of your strength of character made you a great fighter and truly a great fighter and part of that battle to be a better person that, fight if you will to be a better person to overcome the things to be a better person. that fire, you have to go through to be a better person I really truly bought into it and I am in for life that is really The only way to be a great fire- and I don't think that's what costs met, I thought he meant meant that cause knew more than I did a voice, to come about, would come in what the world was now

we'll try to steal on how people would take him, how people would still his guy. The last thing he had really the thing that he lived for because you to have another heavyweight champ, the greatest fight advocacy costs by a he could be, and I believe that Cause new know that he he could a guy that had the ability to be. When his fight over without fully completing the mission of what it takes to really be great, but that he wouldn't you be around to have to witnesses and that he wouldn't he was wont, menaces off. He's going to concede that he might be dead, what have eternal life in order to have greatness?

Customers have greatness. Part of their greatness is attached the ties and he deserves, because it is a great man, and I would be here partly without have, but that was part of the calculation. I know let's deep and I know that world god I hate myself right now, but on the coast He knew he was gettin out free, he knew he was gonna, do not have to be there. Get off easy I'll, tell you, how do you say someone's gonna be dead, they get no of easy I say it again case. You didn't hear me right, He was gonna, get off easy and not have to face, He came up short because he did his job because he put forward. Greatest fight of all time and you screw it up and he knew. That might happen, but you go

Screw it up and and whatever that's your for that's on I'll, tell ya the be met. It is put, that's on thyssen How do you say to tat he loved me? I'm not we love you, but he loved him. I love some other stuff too. And I dont know if they could ever come to grips like that. and it's not his job to, but it's my job not to hide from it. I know cousin dimensions, that old people, just only big data. They know the casino noticeable, so they do. He reflected- interests by similar measures to meet cassandra guides me my wife was pregnant, will live in an apartment. portmanteau category could discover. But what is it all? And I was going to stand on, we still there for a little while before we did, you have to

went down. I a guy to me to the house whatever you call it. My wife me so I'd, listen Tom. Cosette, if you leave I'm a messenger and or wherever, if you leave, this was in fact a matter of what the car thing you gotta remember, tice was awarded to state, it was put, it causes. Custody cost, was lookin to adopt families reese, so controlling early loved. How dare I say anything less? I walk, but it made sense. It's but it was awarded. The states, though do you know that means. Does rules means the states, though, overlooked we live in a right life? You know you gave him a big

You know he came out of a jail solved, reform school, but if you live in a light he could be taken away from us. What's I live in a little ride life while he he wasn't a school, no more. They didn't know about it and. He. He had some things that were going on. We won't get into that right now in school and different things whatever and he had his trainer put a gun to his head. That is how good of a report came back to them that that happened. He would have been taken away from cars that couldn't Let nobody knows this. I talk about low by, but never probably because Why would I don't know? Why am I do it now? I dunno because I as I am now, because its now, maybe maybe because

I dunno, so he said this man that you know that. Obviously we both know- and he said that here's the deal teddy, if no talk about this wanted to you know disappear. Basically, you leave and he will give you five percent his can you imagine I look? He will give you five percent of cases, earnings for the rest of his career, an arm I don't regret it one bit because it would happen anyway. See that's where that's why I could be honest, tell who stayed out guy, I shoved whether you know riddle in that place an arm and tell cause to shove it enough. We can play it. I was met. daddy, daddy, don't getting don't get angry? if you serious get outta here, it tell me, go shove it up, and you know.

My wife is high car, but, and then people like it, why did you take to deal it wasn't a deal? It was an escape clause. Forecasts there was, there was a it insurance policy. That is that this could wouldn't be taken away from and they got it was I was going to go and say not that they didn't have to worry about cars forgot who I was cause for galloway went to court for me because of those because of those characteristics that he said he loved and he noticed, and that daddy Might I didn't lose those carried? He forgot that that was me. He forgot her. We will talk to. He didn't have to do that. How bout that's? Why I told him that, but I was not because of the other insult and am I dead when people said to me all use and I'll do because it was around the little bit. It was around in circles,

I will be ho HO stand up teddy. He hid didn't care about the money. I stand up teddy. What are you talking about? How bout. Just realistic teddy help, but I live in a real world that I was never gonna. Get that money some say and then up to some that I knew never existed so I ain't stand up not that way. I am in other ways. Maybe, but not don't don't put a mental on my chest for that, because, because that never This. It was never meant to exist, but how, didn't even understand, that was the one thing that really disappoint me cause like us. you really allowed us to get to. Where were you wait you ve allowed it to really fucked up you thinking to a point where smaller than that you're better than that that you would actually think you got a wicked off for me a freak pieces.

over. You really think that that's what you frank you, like all that you John, that you love me and that we use have wisdom your last, then the oldest and an you think, you're gonna buy me and I was gonna and that was gonna. Keep me quiet. How, but I'll kick because I would always keep quiet, so he thought maybe you might betray him. He's not interested year, and what did you think that not really fear what year fears at the essence of everything is connected with everything fear of law what he was gonna lose, but was more than fear. It was I not believing in the things that he told me believe that. he didn't even know that. They believed in me because I was a stand up guy, because I

I didn't sell myself because, because I you know, I didn't forget, for that visions? I I didn't make a deal. I didn't do enough and that's why I went to court. That's why you stood up for me and I appreciate it, And that was what he lived by, and I was his you know does with So be it, a man was so much for those blocks. Was that you said loyalty requires, would have had to take a risk. I'm losing immortality the havana achieve by greece. That's all you re use. Have you. I had a hundred percent. but only where you ever find out. If somebody he's hard! That hard is to test. It was closed.

The shakespearean, you know the story, god is holy cassette and it does come in different forms. Yeah. I said alright cause. This was this test and add some people fares those tests because they are able to pass that test because there's not really a test not for them, because it doesn't speak to them weakness, but its detested speech to the weakness. That's the one this one I get it. I get bored spoke to cause. You know what and the day I forgive you, then I feel bad for you. I feel bad did you were putting

Positions have after you, your life that way, and that you did. You taught that, and you please step from the mountain tops that that you had to be that you had to be allergic to use the word, but.

That the duet to fail yourself and that you had to somehow know that before you died, I just pray that you didn't know that, and you still don't know that, because you are great, you walkway, a num and you've. Given me some, and are you giving me some to to aspire towards to try to try to be less weak to be better and try to be as good as you wanted to be? I wish I can someday. More importantly, I wish I could make my father feel warm.

Just feel good up there, you grandfather now their full grandchildren what're, you give advice, live a life they can be proud of, but just dumb to everything you can to the best of your ability every day. two like yourself, because you suffer reason to actually say I'd like to be friends with that. Guy

is law the one of the reasons, one other the things to aspire to, to use your chance to have a fulfilled life loyalty should chance to have strength to have all the things you need to have a good life to be good. Parents, be a good husband, bugle grandfather hopefully be a good role. Model loyalty. Is you can find something to drink, taken to your body.

To make you prepared for life to be or the things that you want to be to be strong enough to be those things, loyalty would be the thing you a drink. and when I say loyal I mean quickly. I mean it unconditionally, but had conveniently Obviously you know that. if you could be loyal, you'd be a person. If person that you would ice who like to be around it does you could be a person can rely on. I think that's one of the greatest sets three were being can have What are you doing here for trade? Had you overcome that. You think of what you learn from it.

There s a road map to remember to think back of how you got there. Now you got to the place where you got betrayed and other person got their place. Try to remember that your journey- For you made you cynical, how do you try? How do you take the leap of trust towards people again and again after that? just by remembering that I'm still turner, forgive myself footing. That I came up short with and if I have figured that out. Yet it's probably okay to arm to say They figured out yet they didn't get it. They didn't figure it out and if I go

figured out, I'm still trying to figure out. Maybe I could get over that a stepping up far. what it feels like does feel kind of like a steady that it did you When you betrayed initially in that, you could only take up of anger. Revenge hatred, I noticed things, I'm not I'm not proud of that put em, but I felt all those things you know I still feel sometimes and then I go back and say a still work in it. Giving yourself for something's. Try. Remember that kid you know An important thing forgetfulness is. Pretty important till now I remember why we forget How do we forget. Because it wasn't suddenly

so proud of. using by your death are and afraid follow. You ask that I know you should think about it. I know people both places europe, though enough that uncovered Goodbye, don't forget that I dont people both places both neighborhoods. I I am I've- been I've been given credit for being brave in certain spots in life. I hope I can be brave when it comes.

I have to leave life. I hope I can be it all, and I and that's you know that's just as real if the artist as he can be about it. I hope I can be you know so far, so good it all when when I've had to the certain things that were scared to death. Have I found a way to beat them for the most part on, so I figured when that day comes a figure that out to sea be another test, maybe the lesson day the huge taught you birds, boy plus, thank you for being a human. You are for being honest, honest about. the full range of human nature, and thank you for talking

you think you ve traveled, vietnam. I fell asleep. thanks for listening to conversational teddy atlas, the supporters biogas. Please Jakarta answers in the description and now they merely he was a words from Mohammed Ali. I hated every minute of training, but I said: don't quit suffer now and the rest of your life as a champion, thank you for listening. I hope to see you next time. The He's Hmm.