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the. the box yeah. There is only one. Are you what's in it? There is something in the box of exquisite beauty, both literally and in what it symbolizes and why it is here, given the kind of human being, you are I'm terrified at. Will you find beautiful? That's a good point. You kind of hit me with a curveball yeah like for me. The most beautiful light, Why life are what I call gods mistakes, jack as my foot, came up with the term where she's like you know, god made these disgusting. Well just through the bomb the ocean is like. I know, is ever going to see this year. You? U comedy on twitter about some creature like over the rainbow type creature, the peacock mantis shrimp. Yeah is beautiful. It's hurry,

though, so it has. I think, eight legs six arms to punching clause or spearing clause, depending on the genus two eyes, two antennae to two flaps flaps and what they do and its punch can be as strong as a bullet and the other type with the spears divers call them thumb splinters, because if you stick your finger near it'll cut your thumb down to the bone. So I had one is a pet all night. I would hear bang and the pvc pipe and I got it they have the best eyesight of any animal because they see like seven or eight ways and when you make eye contact with this thing, it's it's just absolute terrifying, but you get the masseuse. She they call them see. Centipedes are colorful and beautiful that species is you was a having one is a pet in. Why did you do it? Well, when you have a species, that's that unique and that much of an outlier growing up leading these

looks watching me shows I found the stuff so much more fascinating and like space in which is dead so be able to have this specimen in your house and just observe its behaviour is just just like an amazing thing. Why should get rid of it? I didn't have, I guess, the right minerals in the mix he died. It had a problem melting once, yet they could melt correctly. You miss it think about it. Still, I do think about it. To be honest, I still have a pair of its club a punching them appendages, when it melted what pet animal in your life. Do you miss the most that has been in your life that you think about I've, never had cats or dogs growing up or anything like that, which you know I agree My problem is, I figure if I like something I will go down a rabbit hall,

So I know if I got one tattoo I ran into my first five are going to be okay, so I can't do it cause. Then, once I get those five it's going to be one hundred and I'm already too old to be the tattoo guy. What would be the first tattoo on my face we're going your ass chief, sir? Would you put them but that it was my face? If I got your face, it would definitely be on my right here. You ve had multiple faces. Would you put like, I think, dealt right, shoulder different face and her shoulders and when I got laboratory yeah, would you get a dictator if you, if you had to get at it how'd you get that they can join your right. Who cares about the book on him? Plugging your book? Not only that I too lugging, it's just like, I have a personal connection to get opener through this conversation. This we would be asked Why him and you go? I wrote a book about it out. I built up. Ok.

Your ears, writer, good that we are bad up? Don't I thought what happens? Here's the thing. What happens when you write a book about north nice to meet you. What is it you do open author? What kind of books do right, while my last, because that north korea, ninety percent of the time ninety they will die. so tell me everything they know about north korea, and it's like I don't need this, isn't a quiz and it's a very poorly understood country. I don't expect you to know anything you're, not on the spot at and and have what you're saying is not accurate either it's fine. How often they bring up Dennis rodman, a hundred percent one hundred percent of that? Oh, so you don't do you know Dennis rodman, but I don't understand why People feel the need to like right like now we're talking about the subject. I just got: get gonna drop whatever I can talk about. It's usually small amount This thing in the culture which I hate that everyone half davenant in everything- and it's like it's ok,

be like yeah. I dunno anything about that. Tell me more, you know this lots of things. I don't know anything about. What's your opinion on my bird here, MR parrot, it's a macaw scarlet macaw. What it is a scarlet macaw oh. You know, birds yeah, that's actually not life sized say he's not real. I was saying it's not to scale, but he's real. Are we doing that monty python sketch? everything is a mighty by then I dont think money right, that's funny and don't at all like now. That explained so much does it. What is it explains? Why do you think it's funny, but you're not answering that question is pretty funny We are what what what do you think is funny having a mantis shrimp now that you think big boss he's funny, oh god, no, although this is getting worse and worse to be fair, I only try to watch big lebowski after

in part the culture for many years to the point where every single line has been quoted incessantly by the most annoying frat rose ever yet. So I kind of had been poisoned to be able to appreciate it if I'd seen it when it came out before it became a thing I would have enjoyed it. I couldn't get through it like. I couldn't get through twenty minutes I feel bush in their list. It so much is there for me to stare at you and your sunglasses on, I didn't think you'd be the one making the holocaust jokes today and yet dark and cutscene. I actually have like no trouble making eye contact with you when you're wearing shades. Yes cause you're robert to two copies of myself. Yeah. Are you seeing yourself in them called them her conversation with myself as les fault legs,

David. You like that you're just a girdle irrelevant. It needs to be respected, but I can see mr pair a little bit too. What what do you find funding come on? Let let this is an interesting subject: WI, fi money, python, fine absurdity funding. Yes, I find of thirty funny. I think that's the thing when people come at me- and maybe this is an eastern european thing when they're like. How can you find this? very dark subject. Funny it's like will the humor first of all the humor is that you're making fun of something that the dark? So already it's absurd. I think it's a complete inappropriate. Second, just psychologically, you know, joan rivers said that wisdom, social. I don't know if it's true there when you make people after giving them a little vacation. And I was just thinking about this the other day, how, when I die, if I want my funeral to be a roast yeah, it doesn't help me that everyone said if I brought people happiness,

in life, whatever I wanna keep doing on death. Your sadness doesn't help me. I know you can help it but tell stories how it made. You laugh make fun of me. Make me the punching bag, even literally. Take me out of that coffin and it'll be the. I don't make me pinata, I don't care, so I I think, and it it's it's. I don't understand. Why do understand? But it's sad for me when people are like you know this, isn't funny that isn't funny. I feel the way I look at humor is the way that it's like a chef right. It's pretty easy to make bacon taste good with some of these really obscure ingredients to make it palatable that takes skill. So, if you're dealing with a subject that is very emotional or intense, and you can make people laugh, then that takes skill and that's the relief for them now

It's all about timing, yeah yeah! What's the different you to hear one of my jokes or is that a pirate joke? Because that's the only that's the only kind, And I accept that a go ahead: it doesn't have to be a pirate joke artist. One time did you know: Julia thomas's yap was thirteen leah, thomas and hitler, Leah thomas knows how to finish a race, very nice and, as I just get the gold medal do a good job. Why does it take a pirates forever to get through the alphabet? Why

because they spent years at sea. Oh I thought of giving our notebook. That's what I like that when I was a north korea. Oh, you know those robin it's a callback, oh by the way, the thing that is very heart breaking up north stream situation is that they have great sense of humour. It would be a lot easier if these were like robots or drones. They have big personalities, big sense of humour and that, made it much harder to leave and interact with these people, because it it's I mean, there's nothing more human and universal and then laughed and laughed it's free. We've seen, there's humor even among people that have most their freedoms. Taken with me, especially, I mean again we're from you know the soviet union like there's all I need But there is one thing in russian. Humor is a thing because if you there's nothing, you can do this. If you can't have food you're, nice things at least you can have joy and make it to the laugh. I think about all the time anything about my guide all the time. It's been what twenty twelve that's been eleven years

I've been there, she still there and have one I've seen is still there. They just recently electrified the border, so you can have even the few people are escaping can't do any with interesting that they still. the humor. I tribute the soviet union for having that because of the like, really deep education system that you you got to run, need a lot of literature, ok and because they com. Learn about the cruelty, the injustices, the absurd if the world were as long as the rate is not about the current regime yet, but I think that if you look at that- african americans, jewish americans, gay americans. They are all disproportionate in terms of attributed to comedy Itzhak, as these groups have some kind of you. No magic for them. It's that when you are on the outside, looking in a union of have different perspective, the people who are in the middle of the bell curve, but also when you have anything to lose at the very least

You can make it to the laughing and find happiness that way. So It is something that I think is pointing to recognise. So what do you find funny? What makes you giggle like. In the most joyful ways, the suffering of others. I mean I, there are youtube videos of fat people falling down, and there really but there's two kinds of people in this world. Those laugh at those videos and those that down now those that are enough. my friend Jesse just tell me great, nor mcdonald joke, and this is a good litmus test joke, because he says accept, grew people.

Lose their minds and surgery, people just stare at you, and he goes this kind of, and so I'll tell you the joke. This is normal, Donald, a guy walks into a bar, and he sees someone at the bar who has a big pumpkin for a head and the guys like dude what when he got out. He never leave this. I got one of those genie lamps. Then, at this genie he's like well what happened? He goes well. The first wish I wish for an a million dollars is a gadget he goes. Yeah really was in. My bank account this finding us goes right. The second wish I wish to have sex as many beautiful when I want he goes to that happened goes yeah. It was amazing, because then what will I wish for a giant pumpkin head? so there's a certain mindset. They'll just be staring at the screen, and that is I mean there's somebody levels by that's funny, at least to me, and I just love I can well norman dolls like just I watched videos. Often he's he's got, nothing makes me go and,

he's one of the people that makes me gig for reasons I don't quite understand. Did you ever see him with character up on Conan O'Brien know making fun of care top? No, he. This is probably the best talk, show clip of all He's on with courtney, thorn smith was mailros place and corner brains, the host and niece talking about how she's gonna be up movie with care top home is like. Oh, what sicken recalled and she's like the summit, oh yeah and normal goes. I know it should be called box office poisoned and there we're laughing and she's like no. No, no, that the working title is chairman of the board and conan goes. Do something with that smart, ass, enorme goes, your board is spelled b, o r e d, and they are just completely lost it. There's something about. I am with words spoken out of his mouth with the way he like turned his head and looked at the camera. I think he is those rare comedians

who you really feel like he's talking you directly, he feels like he's winking at you, in the audience and he's like, can you can you believe doing this like it's like he almost he feels like he's. I'd want to see faster, but, like he's more a member of the audience than he is a member of the people in the stage I feel like is on our side of yeah, whatever the hell, our means, you know, roseanne got him his first job. Roseanne une urban, paying out, I got it: oh my god, duckworth thanksgiving. When you are talking to Roseanne Barr and making eye contact with this person. It is I I can't even describe it it's just like holy crap, Roseanne Barr's. Talking to me she is I've, said this to her face pathologically funny Like it does not turn off and you're sitting there and you're like wholly crap, and when you make her laugh, which is that laugh, whitson theme song of her, show you

feel like ok, I did amidst I did something good and right in the world that I made roseanne bar laugh and its also. funny because and she's gonna hate this, because I tell he's adorable she's like that she's little. Do you think of then bar as dislike, forcing nature like astronomy, he's like five three at say, like maybe one thirty like and she's just he puts on the sunglasses. You think this little jewish lady you'd never know this is one of the most epic performers. Time? She lives near here now. So it's just so much fun talking her. There is an old satirical magazine in there. I think of the early two thousands call he'd been written by judges and she dressed up as hitler for one the photo shoots and she was making little man in the oven. I got I found on Ebay, one her decided to Michael. It should have been you about she signed it too. I got your one smart cookie, and now it hangs. Love mom, Rosenberg and mom.

Hangs over. My desk costs have her like good domestic goddess energy flowing at me, but would do I would ask for norman donald normal that we, by which I mean if we agree on something my favorite comedian of all time, is neal hamburger. So neal hamburger. I don't know if I'm ruining the bit he's a character but performed by this guy named Greg turkington. So he comes out in a tuxedo big eyeglasses, holding three glasses of water what coughing into the mic, and I remember I saw him once in l a and the girl ahead of me. The table had made with her boyfriend is basic. Chick pumpkin, spice she turned to him. She goes. But what is this? I remember the first time he was on Jimmy kimmel any tell

and of his jokes and is like come? Why does e t like rhesus pieces so much? Well, that's what sperm case law in his own planet. I like no one laughs and he goes I'll come on guys have cancer they just cuts to this marina, the audience with arms crossed. So, if you know what he's doing it's just apsley amazing he opened for tenacious de once in somewhere. I think in ireland, the uk one of those and their booing him kiss his jokes- are often not funny like Where did my whore ex wife run off to with that debt? This shocking up with, I don't know, but when I see in court next month, alaska so they're booing any goes right. Do you guys want me to bring our tenacious d there? Like you, want to see your here as a mind tenaciously yeah come on. Let me hear you

was he tenacious? The guy goes alright. If I tell this next joke- and you don't boo me I'll, bring out tenacious d and it's like. Oh I'm, trying to think of one. That's not too, and so censorship has never go okay, he goes up. Can we Three that george bush is the worst president america has ever had ever collapsed goes, which makes it all the stranger that his son, george w bush, was in fact the best. I take it back in the self censorship that so two people laugh he goes. Oh, that's amazing, I guess I'll do an encore and he did ten more minutes. It was just just like. I love him so much it's interesting that he opened for tenacious d jack black. That's many genius of a different kind. Oh yeah, he was in one of my favorite movies, just dishonest this this'll in the movie. He did a great turned that he's

really underrated, as an actor has got a lot of range like I know they kind of trying to get typecast as this kind of one specific type, but he's really really talented, but also just like the pure joy that yes and he's clearly having fun okay, it is thanksgiving. So in the tradition following tradition, what are you thankful for Michael and I got a world? Do you have a list? You know that really really it's up in here. Have I been with that? several things you thankful for. Yes, you got is one of the things I my list comes from the heart. I don't have to read everything down: clodagh hovering down, ok one of the things that I most thankful for a common answer, but I I can back it up is my family. as my nephew lucas is now six years old and he when kids have a sense of humor, it's like just miraculous, so he stole my sister's phone.

mom figured out that grandma is listed as mom in the phone. Any calls her up and he's like Michael's in the hospital, Really sick, you d want to tell you and she's freaking out. He goes prank, so I took him danish. The susa just released a movie. called police state which is actually good, highly recommended? I was surprised too much. I liked it because he wasn't going republicans good democrats, bad. It was just about authoritarianism and he, a movie for myanmar logo. Some, like I gotta, bring lucas to Nora logo, so lucas It's unlike we're, going to the president's house he's like all the white house and I'm like no one elected a former president goes oh abe, lincoln, and I'm like okay, kid logic like he's he's giving logical answers. This is kind of like ai. You have to you, have to program it to you. It's using logic correctly. You should have told him as a president. That's second to only abe lincoln in terms of bits. Yeah he went up to all the women in their volga.

evening gowns and he goes you're. So beautiful, were you born as a girl a thick, but you have this picture of asking you this. It was really really fun So that is a great joy. There have a nephew. when I have another one, Zack was coming up in age. It is starting to talk now that is really they funds getting getting to watch them. They'll find out about about the world for the first time also training them like that. He what he loves being funny and having fun for you his audience and innocent yeah, but, as you giggle and I can he can, he were prank bro as it gives me a high five, my family- and this is when you talk about what I find funny this- the things that actually me when people into such a wasp thing, don't just go with the joke. or they like- I don't get it or they don't understand, just go with it. I

in the car, with my sister, when she was like ten twelve, whatever she's much younger than me, she's, like twelve years younger and there's this species of squid by the way, which is a symmetric, one of it's eyes, is very much bigger than the other, because it swims horizontally and so one's looking up and looking down where there's more light, a shadowed, one learn more about squids: go to ok, donation, dot, com, two nations, that's our job to warn a lot of fascinating stuff, ogden nation on instagram, yes- and I was in the car with my sister she's like tenor to me as a pirate I'm sorry for the wood interruptions. I appreciate. I can't especially yeah it's a great yeah. These jokes and thoughts are coming to me. Like at ten second delays. I apologize anyway you're telling about the idea where I'm going, I told my help. No days just get do I was there, your skin has shown it is getting dark. I tell my sister I go when you were born,

what are your eyes is bigger than the other and yet tat surgery to fix it. So she turned mom and my mom goes honey? The important thing is that your beautiful now that's sick. What It was surgery and, mrs, like our, I call, grandma and grandma goes because it was said there was aboard one of the guys she goes. Why is he telling you this? Now it's not a big deal. You are the fact that everyone went with this. Oh was, I was so impressed. I was like this is a quality family in this. very specific regard. Does your family, mrs Zimmer, yeah, yeah yeah, you know so we're culture theirs. dark sense of humour. Very much is aware there is wordplay wordplay Yeah is pushing the russian language allows for some. Why? Yes, polarity too, it is also a culture of like poetry and, like my dad,

a mom to where they, they remember a lot of lines from books and poems So there's you can do a lot of fascinating references that adds. human, the richness of the I think that is very russian thing like at a party or maybe awesome. I dunno what you'd be people these aids, it's great, and I saw I met in russia. I met these would be such good, icebreakers right. You go up to someone goes hey. Did you hear this one node of anecdotes and just tell him some little story? Did you say, icebreakers cause it's cold in russia? I'm here all night, let them You never learn how I feel like that's the thing and that's not a thing in america.

I mean like wait. Witty banter at a meeting you go up to stranger and, like that's your icebreaker, tell him this little little joke and since everyone can have the same sensibilities right away, you guys are chatting. I don't think that's a thing here, yeah thing here, it's more smalltalk which drives me crazy. So what else are you thankful for? What am I was something you're thankful for what you want with family. I'm definitely thankful for family, okay, yeah. How? If I may ask? How did they react to you like you're sitting there with the longest? He knows, Netanyahu you sent out, or these are big with a kanye. While these big names are they expressing that their proud of you or is the more like. Why haven't you talk to this person? were Michael mouse. Please forgive people's choice. yeah gather their very proud to have been very the right. I mean they get argument have only just just like a regular human being with whom close, we just argue our stuff they're, not

maybe not enough, showed the being proud of, but that that parties the nature of our relationship is also soviet parents. The I don't talk to my dad s, one the reasons. Is never ever any good job and at a certain point, it's like why my trying to search search for approval from someone I'm never getting get a foreign from whom it would mean a thing at this one anyway. That Just, namely, there's a journey like that for a lot of people: their father over their mother. Like those to find approve all right, that's life for a lot of people, yeah! That's that's really Big part of the human condition is that relationship we have with your father, your mother. It's a beautiful things. It's where there has been a real. Childhood, her beautiful one, all of it. That's who you are that there

they ship, especially early on in your life with your father. Would your mother is extremely formative. I might add, taught me a lot of things at a young age that I'm very very grateful, for he was he's extremely intelligent, very flawed and that's fine. We all are except for me, and it's the kind of things that when you learn things at a right a- and this is one the things I like about being older- is that when our friend which other much older would put much much held. When I have friends who are younger, it's very for me to keep them from making the mistakes. I did said least this is something I'm getting out of it is that ok, I can fix these mistakes, but it just takes me thirty seconds and I can pull you back from making stake, so he taught me a lot as a kid he real. Encouraged me very much too he's a very sense of humour and also very bad in some ways, dad jokes, but also really funny jokes, but also.

this love of learning he that I got that from him- and I mean I have got literally right now. Ninety eight books on my shelf to read it's just a life that makes me I remember a friend and she ran at someone? She went to high school and he stopped on the train Like your non college, you need to read books anymore, and I was just like horrified to hear this boy. Don't I know it, I mean I mean I e do laugh but like I, when you got this two things are understand when you got a heat for like I want to read the resting classics, to me that that might have been like the internet at opposite worst. I don't think there's the cynical perspective. You can take the term this. Such a simple celebration of a thing that there must be something behind it. I think the internet for good, bad, is just sceptical. I was behind this my here

albert canoe, and it is one day I would want to fight it cynicism because it's such a giving up its such everything socks this sucks, that's like the suck most thing suck most stand a comedian suck most movie suck all pike. suck, but it doesn't somebody you especially mine. It's his on watch about europe. Can we came in spelling it, but the stuff that's good, is what matters there. Who cares if ninety percent It was a terrible like there are the ones that change your life, the books, the people, the the the comedians, the shows, the music and even the terrible things have good moments: beautiful moments some not all your pack as being example. Not all I've literally just keep listening for something good, you something in all fairness, not at my guests have anything to offer

the troika. Well, I You talk a little less nearby gas, excessive Listen for the unaware commercials. She thought. Do I d come up malice, I needed this procedure in a while, but this cannot commentary and debate or, I think, was with rand the gun. I ran debated, failures, malleson movies. I watched him radio and at I broke it down of yellow great. Oh, she did them I've, I haven't done, live streaming in a long time. I was thing? I was doing a lot in new york or should be covered. feel that- no I'm having. I got so many projects on the plate. I'm out. This is something else something for this- is something very, very thankful for and I'm again announced here going on.

Finally got whose lucky guy the other one and drag Hence our guns. He makes me he makes me calling sex friedman you like it itself, I didn't say it did even imply that when I in, as you probably know, as you know, but as many people watching is also now repeat our who had come. The book series. American splendor was the subject of movie americans blunder. He wrote a graphic novel about me in two thousand and six called ego and hubris, which goes for like one hundred and fifty dollars and on Ebay. It's not worth it just download it. And I met harvey because I wrote this screenplay about this ban from the eighties called rubber, rodya trivial band.

And the keyboard is gary. Leave who passed away recipes gary, introduce me two harvey preceded the animation for the movie and this script been in my desk for to overturn. years- and I realized thanks to my arr july? Who has some huge success with his comics? I could just produce this as a graphic novel, so I've got an artist we're getting it together, so I'm going to make it happen. Finally, and it's some. The best writing ever dunham really proud the story, it's kind of chronic reading it now because when you're, a writer, obviously different books. You put different aspects yourself into them right, and this story is very, very dark, because basically they did the right things and they went nowhere right do what I realized was reading it now that all these the years I had over twenty years ago about. What, if I'm not going to make it? What if you know, I'm doing all the hard work, and it's still not enough. Now it's been disproven, because I can at least pay my rent- he threw you

like you ve made it. She said you could pay your. I feel that to make it is, if you can pay, if you don't double bass- and you know how I really felt like I made it this is going to sound like a joke and it's not he's being an immigrant I own. As you know, Margaret thatcher's bookcases so to me as an immigrant to have her cases in my house. I've made it unites logic. There's something funny about our that gives serious as of now more nervous and aroused so what else are you thankful for so we're both thankful for only you, I mean I'm the fact that I can still get it up with that. Nothing good, I think, as an author to be able to write

what you want and have have enough, an audience that it covers your living. That's as good as it gets as an author. Almost you don't need to be Stephen king or some legend. It's like you know, there's lots of stand, ups who aren't like world famous, but yet they they have perfectly good living. They do their gig they'll do what they love. I I feel very blast, but you must rethink for your career. Yeah yeah career was, but I I think the best part about it just mean making friends. that would be by admire. Ok cool, quite ass. He just friends. Might you know the people have got to know me. I hide from work sometimes a hit some low points through this new. All the new experiences and the people have been there for me having given up on me. You know this days. I knew you had this. Also, We're like I literally don't speak to summon all day and certain times of my life, it's really durham over very vividly. I lit

was in d in ninety seven owes an intern then that summer the sea closes down the weekends and I remember those weekends when, like I got off the phone with like the third person, I know There was no possibility, anyone was gonna call and what that felt like any was dark and it was bad And so I remembered that those feelings of loneliness em like a lot. I still feel on like that. Sometimes you don't feel you don't feel alone. Ninety more! What's the was the reason you think I because this I have a lot of people who I care about who care about me. I mean The thing about moving austin is, I forgot how lonely near got because it was like after another. I lost everybody and a certain,

then you start losing the places you go to and then it was just like all the crap under isolated and he had often does not as much to do abuses in new york but there's a lot of people here where people are coming all the time. So if I m want to like hang out with someone I've got a long list, and these are people who have known for very long time, people who know me quite well. Secondly, myself, my awful awful awful awful, herself- and that is something I don't take lightly- I moved to texas is going to succeed, yeah she's, the very do you know what happened with that now I forget the guy's name and his prize for the best monday on Monday. A guy in the texas legislature, introduces a bill They have it on the referendum, referendum for texas to declare its independence. Tuesday, I'm on rogan mean him. Gus. It I give a national attention is also

funny because lotta people, these people been in texas, five minutes power. I go to the texas legislature meet with the guy. Have a nice conversation month or two later unanimous, I think he gets voted kicked out of congress because he got in turn drunk and was inappropriate with her and that at least it was the girl in this case. But, yes, like that was my little axis independence moment. Oh they It did not go anywhere well, but it still part of the platform. The texas republican party. is facing that. History is probably laden with stories like this of failed revolutionaries. We celebrate the ass, but then there are the losers like myself. and we're gonna mark that one is a failure and edit it out. And moving on so thankful, yeah friendships, right,

But I want to say this to you I'm thank for in this lonely moments for people who write books have been listen audio books, lot, reading a lot. like audio books actually and just like. I can just name random person, sir. He plot he's a historian, our meeting on nine may I read, What do you, what I just see he written a book most recently about russia, ukraine war, he wrote another one that I read didn't he write empires, I think the fall of the soviet union or something like that yeah yeah yeah. It was very, very his great There is a request for the white pearl he's objective. so having emotion, feeling to it like a bias, I was fine. Without one what I, when you write, a story that involves Putin. People are the ideological yeah they don't really like they don't write with the com, and the clarity in the rigour of history

motion in it like there's almost virtue, signalling yeah, and he doesn't have the, even though he is ukrainian and very strong opinions on the matter, Those people like that and he's done incredible job researching a recent event like he says Looking at everything has been written about the one. crane and realizing yell. Churchill line that historic, and are the worst wants to write about current events except everybody else. and so is a guy out minus while just write about this warrant. He doesn't, except for job summarizing day by day the details of this this war and why some just grateful for a guy like that differ there's I'll name. Some historians I love arthur herman victor Sebastian is, is probably my favorite and david Patricia p. I e t r, u s usda, when you are a historian, then I try to do this to

the green, the white pill, as I could and when you take data, and you make it read like a novel. this so you're learning about who we are ass people. What had happened also, if entertaining unreadable. That's me like the acme of writing and I have so much. Admiration is acme, mean top zenith, zero, ok, this is what writer juries copies. Incredibly sophisticated words impressed and were actually get it. You said the best of writing Acme's also, the company like bugs bunyan, while the coyote, those acme stute, acme, yeah, yeah young, like me bombs when they are that good. It's just I just I just leave me now. The rancher announced and other one who he wrote. The hamilton biography o nice. I do have a lot of every stories about the whole time.

The world war too well people there lived during an especial. I really like those counts. obviously soldier kittens not historian, but his accounts for sure fascinating. He, oh shit. How promised he taught the bustle jason? Never not much right. Why not I feel like I wanted to I I did something I could add to him or he's he's the michael mouths of this century now he's talented charismatic and skills he's, not the mecca, malice I I did not. I feel like I didn't. I I didn't regular gulag archipelago for the white pill. I didn't. I didn't know I feel I got a lot of it from an apple bomb was a very controversial figure. Her history books on the soviet, I think, are superb, she's, also accused of being very much like a neo cod,

and are warmongering contemporary times, always had, I think, comparisons between food and stolen. Although there is then diagram, I think, are a bit much because I think is very hard to claim that No, if Putin conquered ukraine that there be a genocide, I dont think either that's a very hard argument to make any tense times. comparisons of what's going on in Israel. I neither side compared to the holocaust are also bring in this where he s, and I also don't like how that turn. You know I've gotten truck. there was some lit, the demon who works at the atlantic was a regular demon as opposed to figurative demon. I didn't know they employed demons as they exclusively employed demons that the atlantic- and he was giving me crap this couple years ago on twitter, because I. didn't think it appropriate to refer to george soros, the holocaust survivor. Animals

listen, if you want to put him in the same context, this Anne frank, knock yourself out, but I think that so completely disingenuous and and frankly, repulsive to meet morally to equivocate between figures. Like that, that also claimed that anyone who a billionaire who is included ilan, including sheldon. listen, there's! No shortage of these people. If you want use your extreme wealth used to influence politics. You have to be for criticism that an end to protect people a bill gates to protecting these be from criticism just on the bay Their identities is deranged me, but also the holocaust as a historical event, and the atrocities within it. it's singular in history instead of comparing them. What's the utility right, you're just you're, just basically trying to take this brand of use that term in a in a very specific way and latch like when they say climate denial,

No one's denying climate exists, so you just try to go off of holocaust denial. I think a shameless, and I think it's this gross cheapens everything the others deep important lessons about the holocaust. Yes, Gimme. The lessons are about how extremely can get and how fast there, how fast the one so You know people ask our humans basically good. Are they basic the evil I always say, basically, animals and I think people are most. People are almost fundamentally deranged. and that there is basically a veneer of civilization and decency. When shit hits the fan- and we see this over and over, they do things that would The complete unthinkable even to themselves five years ago has people are fundamentally deranged with a veneer of some eddie there's a show called,

They disagree with what was the show called I'm having alzheimer's because of the advance the age the scanty asia there's a ship is a sure called. I think you should leave before Yet most of that say it's a scam Comedy show- and he captures these great- has here princess. He captures these great moments of the like just a very thin veneer of normalcy and adjust the craziness. That's so frequently lurking. Underneath another great example of this. When this is the only people who are literally crazy, have you ever seen the no hoarders, so am I a hoarders every there's to be to people in every episode, Every episode is the same veneer of normalcy van of normalcy fan. I will see slight expressed. Of concern for blood arrangement method, It follows that exact pattern here. I think the deep ocean

of the human mind is, is good like, there's a longing to be good to others. To have seen literally no evidence of this, and I know how are things the deep ocean with you people, but like We you people virus, I don't see it. You you that Mr Blair, you. The semi now does not make the same. For such a large audience. You're embarrassing me, MR pat blacks, you Mr Perry, you have here, he's a run of the mill troll and barely an intellectual ass man has to say as not true, we talked about this yet to see the good people you have seen personally, how quickly and easily it is for human beings to form our group's yeah and to others just

I just did a minute ago at the atlantic, completely out of the human race, and that happens constantly and very easily. Humans are tribal beings, so that does not address the outcome what this essential desire to do good night I think it's cake and nineteen. Eighty four for the two minutes of hate it. There is a part of humans that wants to be tribal yep. Wants to direct, get angry and hateful, and then that, It is easy to direct. Yes, I especially peoples you. as an anarchists talk about it. on power that iraq that anger but If you just look at recent human history, that desire for good The communal desire for good ways that I think most of life on earth right now, people being good to each other. It is almost Fundamental sense relative to her nature, usually works. I I, I think, you're both

You have people on about nature, so Nature is not inherently violent in the sense. For example, the EU has an aquarium. If you look at wildlife, yet you have at her prey, but and was again to be and then ignoring each other for the most part right. as for humans, do no being essentially good. I think humans are essentially not to each other said I think they're sexually civil and amiable, but that's not really being good. Good, I think, is a thing that gets illustrated when your choice, which one there yet difficult international. Yes, miss seville It is a good starting point and one there's a big challenge. The comes people step up on average. I completely agree with you that human beings are capable of such profound goodness that it cut. It makes you The extremely emotional- and I certainly think that that's true, but I think that

more unusual than is the norm. See beauty everywhere. So do I, but that doesn't mean it in every person: nine, every person, but most people. I think I wish there was a really good way measure this. My journals, of the world issues there. So much incredible both in terms of economics in terms of art. In terms of job creation as a whole, this happen over the past century that it feels like the good is out powering the bad. You just did the perfect subway to the box. both in the box. So is it your fragile eager, that's what you so my joke. You stole my joke. That was, joke. I met you before we recorded. Stole. My milk noted I write you all your material, you hack so,

as you know, I have a lot of beautiful stuff in my house. That's nice think is something very important ever listening. If you accomplish something that is great. Some achievement, but I like to do is by myself something to remember that moment has sometimes when it's hard. You forget, you've done great things in your life. You've had accomplishments doesn't have to be. Some amazing factory could just be like my first job. Where I got a race or you know what I'd do anything. so there's this amazing sculptor named jake, Michael singer, singer whose sculptor, and I saw a piece of houses singing voice. This is son of a guy like a customer. This, How is the singing voice to a mere right? You jerk four year was the punchline.

Is that what she said, so I followed him instagram. He followed me back, and he's like If I made he's us what's the point of being an artist, if this work I create isn't in the spaces of people, I like and admire he's a big fan of yours. You ve, given him an hour episodes together given joy, so he said, if I get a scot make lex Culture will be put on the shelf behind him, and what that reminded me of is when I was a kid you read: batman, comics and there's the bat cave and the backing as others cool stuff in it. I didn't realize in so much later than all of those things in the back cave had an odd

in story so the giant penny the dinosaur, there was actually a story where that came from. So, if you're, a fan of the show you can spot. Oh, this is when this appeared. This is one that appeared this and that appeared. So he made you this sculpture. He lives in turkey and and it's called chance murmur and it is, I haven't even seen yet it is absolutely beautiful. I just so you wanna do a little unboxing and yes, acts or body spray They were on box. He lashed that of You know, that's even cigar movie were there's a strip of that comes out of the box. You see he is on a boat united action now

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I just don't like pirates where your mom does you play any musical instruments? No, neither do you like seeing your guitar videos that decay is a big piece of wood for you, that's what it feels like just you know. Oh wow, oh my god. This travelled across the world. So here's why his work speaks so much to me. So, first of all he's combining so many different references. It's nike, the goddess of victory bright. It's that it looks like an angel as well, and the italian futurists, which is my favorite art movement from the early twenties.

three. They tried to capture motion in two d or three d form while Jake. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for creating beautiful things, and I thank you for caring about somebody like me, and somebody like Michael, really feel the love. That's the other thing you when you have something that matters to you in your house and you're having a bad day you can look at it and remember you not. I mean that spirit of joy, I actually have a list here I got a la rent ready. You are here my rant: let's go you're you're. One of the things that drives me crazy is when people, especially conservatives, think that all contemporary art is ugly forever. Tractor black, literally garbage and there's a lot of that. But so much of the stuff out there and galleries is not only not crazy, expensive but they're trying to sell things

for people in their house and is a young artist. You know they're trying to add beauty. I have a list. So if you don't believe me and you think all contemporary art is garbage or terrible go to the website any of these places I'm going to rattle off look through them and you're telling me that that it's not creating beauty enjoy and things that people's life. So I don't have any relationship of any these people, these disengage, They follow on instagram who trade gallery antler gallery giant robot to buy not unheard of I'm sorry be eight b. I any archie spoke art gallery, far gallery milwaukee I was there. The pieces were not expensive. What kind of are we talking about everything mostly paintings, mostly paintings? Some sculptures do like this court. Alfred Mayfair one and allay night gallery article gallery of art, gallery hive gallery haven gallery and curio our gallery? I'm telling you it's not exorbitant. This is not the kind of thing where you have to go to a museum and be like

this doesn't make sense to me. You look at it right away. You're like okay, I notice this and it's beautiful. It's awesome and and you're supporting someone who's young creative trying to do something and make the world a better place. So I'm a big fan of the contemporary art seen a lot of it is not great, but even this, It's not great, is very rarely disgusting or gross. It's just like okay. I've seen this before, so I'm like that. Okay does. There is like there was this like a stand up where, like I'll pay, wait for the ticket and someone's like who is an opener. It's like I wouldn't pay to see him perform, but he sure still made me laugh that person is still more by far more good than bad. So this artist stuff, I would own, but it's like. Ok, I get I like it. Well, as the analogy goes very like going over mike's actually because they fight has such absurd

I say, but funny isn't the only thing that's beautiful about stand up comedy, it's the ash, the agony, the the it's it's going for it is trying to be funny. It's taking the leap trying the joke and some of the best stuff is actually funny, but the audience is like three people, two of whom are drunk and bored, and you still going forward and that's like that's the human spirit right there. Roseanne was telling me how gilbert godfrey go on earth like three in the morning and it was a fight her and together, comics in the audience and like they always dying like he was just killing them who's. Your favorite comedian, Days smith, who and had seen favour com the reverse a norm. Mcdonald, if you like, put a gun to my head and add to answer really quickly now be him. Ok, I would also say

louis k o while yeah, oh my god what that's almost like a vanilla answer at this moment in history, because it psych lucy case pretty radioactive, he is well, he does it. The tough topics sure the best Mitch Hedberg The wit of all a good one, liner scrape- I guess that's what normal does gs it are you this. I mean we're so fortunate to be here in austin, because that company mothership you go there and like people just killing David Lucas, is amazing. Tire larry tie rivera, probably did the best said I've seen since I've been here in austin, and I watched him and, unlike skies, even black, even better than I am so reached out to him. So he's just terrific david Lucas another one, a buddy of mine. You just try to Joyce. I think I think give Lando excuse me. They went.

Your marriage is. As you know, it's true, though extra. It's true dave, Lucas. If you've ever been to the comedy mothership, the group is a great spot, whereas that is that in Austin Austin that were willie nelson's from I haven't really good. Oh, I heard a joke about that. The other week was called to tell a joke again: what's the only thing worse than giving head to willie nelson, what if he says I'm not willie nelson was that MR parrot, I know he's not funny he's better he's. He thinks he's better on twitter. That's not nice to say right in front of his face. Just think how he feels

if the statue's chance murmur is judging you chance, it's called chance murmur chance, murmur gathered so beautiful as gorgeous this. Is this another reason I hate cynicism that I talked about this alot even just on etsy. There are so many small, not huge companies like individual artisans who are creating great stuff and and just making it happen, and it's really sad for me where people can see that, or if they're like well, how can I be excited about a sculpture when blah blah blah the Middle east, and it's just like you- can always look for an excuse that look for joy or you could look for an excuse to look for joy, yeah. It seems incredible. I feel same way, bottle of only only fence. Kin get that out of my mouth before laughing at my own fail joke, that's what she said and it help all right now, maybe one of the first that's what she said from Michael mouse yeah account that

I do not only do mine because I got my own minds in three feet tall. Just like you. Lots is much bigger, yeah give him an inferiority complex, I think I'm gonna invade russia as an appalling reference for those in the audience I don't know if I did it. I think I'm bedrooms, my bedrooms, especially I see when I wake up put in the bedroom. Do we get through. Everything were thankful for now. I've got lots of things and thankful for us friends, family who said books, I'd thankful for career. I am thankful, for I am thing full four and I know people can lose their minds and I can hear them flipping out already. I am thankful for social media yeah. I think for several reasons. First, it is a way for people to make connections that they couldn't have made.

Years passed that if you got some weird hobby, you can find out of prison, veered hobby and make their connection it's a great way to stay in touch permanently for people otherwise you'd with such with. You know, whenever venue- and it's also a great way to expose corporate. every when you have these organizations that are dishonest. I think the community oats thing and twitter is the great thing ever has incredible. I wish they would pay. The attention that Michael mouse account more often. should be encouraging anyone to pay attention to my twitter account. It's a dumpster fire and I'd be dead. Get out of my bridge it I mean, like literal, which effectively

Isabella is amazing, but your comment makes yes not here. I wish she doesn't georgetown not mean in in this, where we're sitting at a joke. Michael, is it yeah, but I I'm just really glad about. Ah it's another way for people who before would have felt very alone. I know it makes us some people do feel alone, but for other people makes them feel connected. Ah, there's been a lot of a lot talk of by anti semitism recently yeah. What's what's your sense about the site? Is there is The summit is, unlike any other brand of hate, there's a lot of heat out. There is it just like any other run it because I dont think racists or transfer jobs or the or massage interests was Zena argue openly or even not. So If for the killing of black-

begins transgender people, gay people, women for immigrants, and it's not only something- that's talked about it, something that has actually happened and not just the holocaust, but just centuries of programmes right. This is great book that I, and he years ago, called the satanist nation of the Jews, camille pollio recommended it and I read it and live in this, this certain specific kind of anti semitism, and I am again I'm not talking about people who Hence this recently I thank specifically about jus hatred. They have this moral calculus that do are the only people who are capable of good or evil and jews are exclusively caple of evil and, for example, if you look at the george, w bush white house, you had done you yet cheney condoleezza arise, Colin Powell, Donald rumsfeld, alot of newton, hundred geysers. So if there's ten people in a room- and this

one jewish person, it's his fault and the rest are jus controlled. So again they they only exist as a puppet of Jews in this kind of world and is like that to me: if there were no jews on earth, it is crazy to say that John Bolton liz, cheney and lindsey gram graham wouldn't be for more war. That makes no sense to me. It's like the did. You blame the Jews when bad things happen, but when a jewish, and does the substance, something good, it doesn't really matter or just wait here. It is do something. Bad will yeah. That's true human beings, good things in the new bad things sometimes, but it only counts when that jewish person does the bad thing. I wonder what's away too far anti semitism and fight hate in general. I think the only but the best way

I thought a lot about this about how did gay americans go from being universally hayden despised to the point that many, on the eighties went to their graves. Those who had aids without even telling their parents, because they're so scared to times square is just covered in pride flags, and I think- and this this also works for islamophobia and some these other The bigotry is what I call the ambassador programme because as soon, as you know, someone who is a man Burma's certain group- it is a lot harder to be big it against them, because, instead of this being this, our group that somewhere out there it's a wait a minute, I work of the sky, he's kind of a jerk a maybe he sees things differently than me, but this guy's not possible him being So I think the only way to fight any form of bigotry is to be a good example of the counter.

to these. Whatever archetype of stereotype is in the culture. Karl Marx wrote their religion is the size of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world in the soul of a soulless condition. It is the opium of the people, as the famous phrase goes. Do you think The point now I hate that quote: I absolutely hate it I'd. This buys this sort of red it internet, atheist activists. For the simple reason that I know many people who, in finding faith, have become objectively better human beings me they start living consciously. They take morality seriously. They try. We will fail to be moral, good people so this sneering that these mid. these marginally intelligent people have towards religious people. Now lots of religious people use really

in to rationalize there. behavior or euro, simple or big egos so and so forth. That exist s. True, but to say that it never helps anyone and it's universally at the off ce mark. Just talking about a period you mean I'll defend his quote. When his argument was, you know the masses are being starved and oppressed, but their promised you don't worry- you'll have riches in Heaven, so you should canoe like leg, not be pushed around now, and this is kind of this bs bargain that the people are being given. That was, I think, the point he was making it's not so does apply. Nowadays, I at the close of the family in the mid west. There, good christian p I remember very specifically, this guy shot out to him sean shared. I went to college with him David Lucas and have each

tat the company mother showed great great girls is aston willingness, and I do you know I was seventeen eighteen freshman. and I was reading all this criticism of the bible and object. Look. This is in there look at us in there and he put his hand on my shoulder and he says, Michael there, nothing you're. GonNA. Tell me that's going to make me lose my faith and that was a very self aware and profound thing to say- I've got an older and lots of religious people theirs. no part of me that if they're wrong, where they should be marked. It's like It also reminds me of when people sneer at addicts in recovery. They're, like alcoholism, is a disease. The choice is like wait, a minute. You don't know what it's like to have your entire life ruined by drugs or alcohol, and if you have to tell yourself you know, I have this disease blah blah and that keeps you from drinking and now you're a moral upstanding person whose reliable at and takes responsible for their actions.

I don't see the harm at all, so I think this kind of activists, atheists m, is cheap. I greece. It whatsoever- and I do not like that quota at all but otherwise big fan marks I mean it is, I think the As a fan of mine, I forget who it was apologies. He had this great quote. He goes to the gate, and this is me talking. He goes to the games. People play diff. To feel smarter than others is depressing. An annoying, and I think this kind of fedora in an atheist them is a good example to use the other thing. If you ve proven that someone else's stupid that assuming you're smart, you can both be stupid, so congrats, you proof summit also stupid, took- is when sneering involve forms. Yes, general is just not great. That's one of the things I block up people on social me, instantly you're, not gonna sneer at me in my space

You could steer me all. You want your space, but I'm not putting up their crap. I don't know you my space gray, social network. Is that enough, sir sixth, at six, six st air, while dot com? gee drill, doo, doo, doo, doo, landline Clang alex covers like Pavlov's dog. Those the sound before you get to see. Spent as waiting for an image, of a lady load? One at a time. everything talk to John mearsheimer, I dunno. You know him at all So he has this idea about offensive realism, so wait the world international relations and the basic idea, now run by and see what you think is that states nations

what to survive and they tried to do so by maximizing power, military power, and he taught by our quite a bit in that One of these underlying assumptions of this if in the world, is that states are an arctic towards each other guests, esther and they operate under a lot of uncertainty. States cannot be sure that other states will not use military capabilities. Guess them right the what survive and they were to use military power. To control the uncertainty to protect themselves. So I can I disagree in that regard, and I I see on your bookshelf. I think the world lot closer brave new world. Then it is eighty four- and I think it is if you look at let supposed china's influence in america right, the influences far more through soft power

then military power, china, doesnt, threaten america through you know we're gonna kill you. It's more like their evil mission of universities, tik tok things of that nature. Maybe this would have worked for the pop culture era, but I think one. The reasons we have this kind of american hegemony isn't just a function of american military. I think it's much more a function of american popular culture when your exporting ideas and culture it makes other people are the countries feel both at EU and also feel they forgot uses as a friend and also to adopt your values, a great way to spread propaganda. It ceased to correlate, though right and centre As an interesting idea, what has more power the viral spread of ideas or the the of the military is. It seems that the united states is at the top of the world on both that's true.

it's hard to disentangle the two it. Let's look at europe and culture is very. pillar in europe in many ways right like the best music sweden, swedish andy pop their singing in English. You know, even though it is the sort of self worth None of this is a function. Maybe it's a function of post world war, two to some extent, but I think it's a function of american bases there. I think it's a function of where exporting our music or tv shows and movies yeah essentially,

If the battleground will be brave new world the battle of ideas, I think it's clearly player. I I am it's so much cheaper and again this is one the dark side of social media to use influence than it is to use threats. I don't think I think cove is a good example of this, like so much of the pressure. Yes, there was authoritarian ism, but it was the fact that everyone bought into it rightly or wrongly, but the vast majority of the population wars behind all of these things, and that was through persuasion, not cause and cause people are begging for it to come back in many cases, so who's funding you which intelligent change. It was thought. This is how you do good, and you see you even expect that. Ok, what's that, MR ferret echoes the bear, you knew it, but you d, never documentation did you. I think mister Ferris is threatened by the bed. Better wings

not a chance murmur. He gets like that. He turned on our friend, the cannibal, and tat is all we a cell alone together. can be one hell of a party beaks and feathers, river and metal. yeah things beautiful, it's ridiculous, you have, you have actually A lot of really cool sophia your place, so it fun. What was the was a cool thing. There stands out here Maybe a recent edition. So I went to the dallas museum of art last year from my birth, and there was a painting a light, and I googled it and I The option for that exact painting- and it was like, I think, three grand which is not cheap, but not something you'd, think you think in a museum. I can never foursome like this right So when I was in, I went to Houston with some friends. The side serves

shush Natalie who made thinking of you, kicked terrify my mom. This is there yeah? Ah, no, it is not a cake, the terrified me It's you, Michael malice. hiding it off. Cutting the face. Laughing monopoly will not least pregnancies. Gonna have a daughter named daisy, so congrats did Natalie grass, but I was in with them- and they was a statue of thoughts, who's, the egyptian god whose head is an ibis, it's birth, long, beak and thought is the out of the moon, god of knowledge and supposedly he invented writing. So I thought you know what I've always loved. ancient egypt? I know a lot about it and socially mythology ever really cool as an aspiring author to have an ancient egyptian thought thoth in my house. Well, it turns out that the egyptians also killed and mummified mummified, ibises and buried them with

ribs and a week after I went to the regime, there is an option for an ibis mummy I have it now in my house, still in its bandages, overlooking my desk and we all know. get a cab life and pick up my eyes and right with my blood, but that is one of the recent cool. Since another thing I have which is like in terms of colleagues, have made it I have an original patrick nagel painting and if people don't know the name he's like the eighties artists, dread ran cover we never see nail salons. I have a mail which were very rare for him to do so that, to my mind, a favorite, yes he only drew women predominantly. I have one where we drew a male like a is a guy in a like a jean at or something and now I'm looking forward to so Jake made me a three foot tall, sculpture, called future murmur, which I am ecstatic to

Get. Does your yourself, your cell phone homey, fastening, beautiful people out there Then just a victory in holiness in technology and speed and how many people have. you have fought so that I could do what I do. Yeah that's interesting and grateful for just like the six hundred billion or so people came before us yeah and also the trillions of life forms they came before Oh god, I've gone down this this trial. White rabbit hall buying fossils, because as a kid at the trial, It's the course thing, and I've got like fifteen and was interesting is when you buy trial. White fossils and ebay there are listed is used. it's gotta be near or used at the programming says used here that produced look thinking about all that history.

All the life forms that came before. It seems like a really special thing. Have gone on earth here, our yeah, I think I'd, that's that's very fair to say, but I also think this cunning is like blue Life to the fullest leader, commode talked about living to the point of tears, yeah, especially people can have that privilege. So I dedicate the white pearl too. parents. You got me of the soviet union and all the kids who never could and it's like when I die. I wonder what else did? there are obviously can be happy, but yet, like I'm not here in joy, when you do you live for me cause. I can't have that privilege anymore. waiting about congo is a writer I dont like his novels at all. Are you don't at all. You ve taught shit about the plague to me: you're lying I didn't I. I think the book is pointless fascinated

all you need to do. Is we the synopsis and then you get it like? I dont think his boss, not true for most books. No, are you like you could take. I I dunno, I just don't agree are all there. I mean it's. It's catcher in the rye there's a lot of books that are seemed trivial. I don't think it seems trivia. But I think animal farm animal farm is a methodical step by step examination of a transformation from one think than other the plague. It is not there it's a methodical examination of What is society is like under the plague? could symbolise I've things, including the plague directly or not in germany or ideological movements. Sir. It's large animal farm, maybe not as effective, In terms of using this kind of animal farm has a narrative and the ominous spoil hope lake, the book, the plague, ok, this town, I believe in oman

Craig descends people's struggle to deal with it and the I vanishes quickly came the end here, but there's the victims, the debate I take advantage of. It is the doctor that, amidst the absurdity in evil of the play, is fighting to do good. Nothing for me, doesn't nothing. Your luggage spoil animal farm, as the pigs, the animals at the farm and they the humans are abusing them, and then the animals overthrow the humans. But then the pigs become just like the humans the lesson his is: that's power corrupts no matter whether you walk on for one two. I thought the lesson was. the pigs are the most human like animals on the farm. I thought I thought the less aware that there is no sure again, mountain.

even if you'd a lot of people. Yet what have you learned about getting to the soul of a person the solve an idea from interviewing just how to do a good interview for some that interviewing just random people and interviewing people who are accomplished? It's not a random group that self selecting for something different, but I think that people do love to, and this is very understandable, love to feel seen. so, if you someone who's done something, even if you're, like the best guinea pig breeders in america to have someone interested in your work and asking and listen to what you're saying cause. I remember every book I've written. You know. I have friends and I would stop talking about. You know that, the purser biting with or are you know the north korea and a certain point im sure they're like alright, I don't care others anymore, but like it takes over your brain, you know what I mean so if as someone who has an interest or a hobby of shirt to some extent, maybe your friends of families,

If you're talking about it or you don't want to talk about with them, you would have that's the private life where you could just be yourself. So I try to- and this comes from my co authoring background when I'm talking to people to ask questions that they hadn't heard before there's a possibility, that this actor, I'm a huge fan of and is going to be on my show, I don't want to spoil everything and he's got a very specific role that he's known for, and I Well I'm going to unlike okay, I'm going to. I know it's gonna be annoying for you talking about this one role, but my goal is to ask questions that haven't you have aren't sick of ants asking having been asked, pornstar reports there, the joke failed, also edit out woody, no bug inbreeding pigs. You mention it I'd love to hear. I do I love to hear more about it

I always use this as an example of this desert. You, you meet someone a party who reads guinea pigs right, there's two approaches: either your weird get it ok or sit some everything and I'm very much and all the people I like art are the second group when, meet somebody something unusual and our passion about it and you know, are good at it like that. To me: is the mother low? yeah. That's me also. Has it thing I the most. Because my passion about who you guys hate you guys hate the hamster. People do hate the rabbit people there's got to be some of that. You guys look down on just like the marine aquarium. People look down the freshwater current people as an archive, yes, this always get me hierarchy. This is where the left, anarchists than I disagree, because they think you could have gal terrorism. There's gonna be a hierarchy: hierarchies emerge, yes, there's no anarchy and getting pete world. No, it's just a different kind of energy

I'm busy always breeding somebody else, yes, and down on the others, if some of the other yeah better to the hamster people, the right people and everybody's breeding yeah, By the way. Are you are enough of capitalist? What kind of were flavour of etiquette story? I'm an anarchist that adjectives I like them, Well, the black flag comes in many hours right. Alright, you're quitting europe yet, and I understand you, it was a beautiful line in the book. Thank you. I think the anarcho capitalists don't give the left anarchists enough credit, especially for their courage, and I do whatever I can in my power to talk about people like Emma Goldman whenever possible.

Do you still think that are some people better than others is a good litmus test? Yes, it's worked one hundred percent of the time and for you the answer's. Yes, I never answer the two of them yeah. What are you getting all hitchcock up in here up a careful, I always got your back up. What little habits in your life make you happy now that you're in Austin? Oh, my god, I was prepping for this. you and I imagine this coming up, and I knew that. As I explained this, you know how sometimes with someone tells a story like at first, it's amusing.

Then it's amusing concerned and they like holy shit like like where's, the exit I'm getting nervous already shed said, I'm going to tell you something: I've told on a couple of people. This is my absolutely off the charts autistic approach to shaving. So I have this insane system a yes vote. Habits are gimme your eyes to hate. Shaving is eight it there.

something called wet, shaving or wet shaving. Is you get the brush? You get the soap, that's in a canister just stirred up. You paint your face and then you shave. The thing is there: are dozens of these shaving soap companies? Okay, so I tried a couple of hundred of the soaps cause you're testing for sent you're testing for what the lather thickness and also house with a shaver gives you yet I have it down and are not making the stuff on that this creative. I haven't down to a cycle of sixty seven soaps, yeah, ok, so the cycle a cycle so sixty seven, when I use up one soap, that is a so

not that I will have to try new ones, and I will try new ones in that slot. Until I get one that I like and then that's thought is filled. The right now. I have six seven that better use- and I have eighty six their wits like inaccurate here in this. in the queue jill able under member like which one is whether they are. They all have beautiful labels, These are artisans or creating these amazing things sell their eyes. courage, everyone to try to solve the who's, the guy, it's so much fun, We'll give a shot out said the companies that that are the best, so the best company, in my opinion, is company called they just change the name. Because you know what they're originally called: I'm not joking grooming department and now its a bad name year, but it has certain

annotations in the shower. So now his jet operators go. Yes, he changed his name to ion skin care, a iowan, that's the the sense of the most sophisticated, the most diverse and the the soap is just really high quality another, Amazing company is barrister in man and if I'm gonna tell try one. It's called cheshire. He comes out every month or so a lot of its miss lot of its head. Just great great we stuff another great companies chiseled face, they make something called midnight stag, which basically smells like a garage. It's one of my favorite soaps of all time. It was what makes were good smell for Micah mouth

I have sixty seven answers, so someone has melted into a cavernous, is not more citrusy summer, industrial, some garages, more industrial. It's smells like a garage. A midnight stag was a garage. Some are fun because they're smells that smell, like other things. For example, there's a scent in my queue called finding scotty, it smells like swedish fish and another great company is phoenix shaving and they have one called Aloha smackdown hawaiian punch, they had one called. You will ham that they made for me special smells like a ham. They had a raman one rock and Rahman and was a cup of noodles, so there are great and they ever yoda jude advent counter where you for twelve day, you have a little sample the soap and a sample of the aftershave nice. so those are forgetting someone and I'm feeling angry that I'm doing it, but those are some of the annex These bubbles is greater begin

new jersey, they ve got one called a high to a grape, salsa grape soda. I think those are the biggest names office upon my word. That list converged down to a small set. Eventually Yonah was fifty seven down too well. This is doubtless a sixty seven, so also is always keeps rising slot, then you know I mean like after lets. You do something for you forever have the variety of sixty seven. Yes ha you you're in all sad. Maybe is when I, when you were telling me this, I was like wonder how many soaps are left in my mouth life. Like you, can call your life by days by months by years or by soaps, the depressing that, if one got it could cause it's each experience. A sharing is a little beautiful experience. Yes, it is, and do you have left in your life? That's true

I gotta tell you something else. Is a term called my friend, Jackie Tommy called touching pan it'll make up term. so, basically, when you use it and you can see the bottom, the second big moment was a great thing yeah. I think so. Fun. I'm telling you like people can scarf it as such. and there's a lot of us online who are into this whole space. It's really really fun. When you first discover this, can I curse? Yeah fuck you, coal striker cause. I was staying in my friend, coals house. In l, a fuck you call for fuel coal is like when the biggest hipsters I know he's got them the shirts with the pearl snaps in everything and I'm staying at his house. As I was doing, rogan any goes have you heard of this wet shaving thing, and it goes look this one's paraiso, though that's like the italian grandfather, which is also great one, and I went down this rabbit, hole and I'm like hut. I don't even know how many, how much money I spent on this and it's all because of him as but it's like a happy face

You're fucking, you call me a unified, you called fuck you and editors. Yacu gets that's a good idea for tat. You fuck, you call her third, but had the advice and I'd be happy. Yes, the lot of loneliness and sadness in the world. Here I can give it a very easy piece of advice That worked a lot for me. Instead of telling yourself that you have these ridiculous standards. Tell yourself I can be better right. I don't have to be a great writer. I can be a better writer. I do have to be agreed pike asteroid. That will never happen. I could be a better pot gaster. I can be a better person. I can be a better.

At the gym. I can be better with my time and when you regard things in the end, especially if you have metrics that you can go by you know, for example, I'll run this many miles a day things you have control over if you especially as males when you have this chart and dad I'm telling you you're approving right away like you have the sense of accomplishment. So I think that is a really great way to as far as, if something is not working your life, let's suppose you don't have friends right, there's the internet. How do people make friends? Try things out? What's the worst is going to happen, you're going to blow up in your face, while you're you're you're learn something at least don't be afraid of making mistakes? When I was a kid I was so scared of having things under control so like I would never have to get hit in the face metaphorically and then I realized- and you realize this as well- everyone who's important gets hit in the face. Look at the president, whoever the president is.

It becomes a matter of being strong enough that you could take getting hit in the face. So that is a big important switched in your thinking. Yeah, there's a because he caught a row down Sometimes you climb out of bed in the morning. You think I'm not gonna make it, but you inside remembering all the time she felt that way. Yeah yeah, there's a part of me. That's like that, some days where I feel like this is the worst day of my life like shortly after. I think that chocolate that yes just knowing the ups and downs of the brain and the mind and life and all that you've ever been depressed, yeah, of course, I'm more anxious than depressed. I don't really get depressed, but I like beer, but I've been depressed a globe once yeah, but I think I I distinct depression between low points right if things are going bad and you feel bad, that makes sense, but I would I think, depression. I think of someone who feels bad with things are bad, like it said in its by debt, but to me sick, almost by definition irrational.

while in their different kinds, I, like there there's exhaust the kind of pressure where your knife sites and were sad is you're, not don't wanna do I think you're you don't want to live. You don't want to what's the yeah, he was the point of supply, wrap yeah and they can extreme self critical negativity which I'm also scared of, because my brain is generally very self critical, You're not taken up a museum, do take a rectilinear and mouth you take erectly as for the for the magnesium, you should take it as a pill ogre what the way your mom explained it in this way, different.

What are you most afraid of holy crap that this I am trying to think of anything, I'm afraid of you and ninety four, what I thought like, even if I wanted to sure you hypothetically while you do well the mission accomplished, you know what I mean. It means terms of I'm scared of increasing authoritarianism, but that's not personal, and that's not that's something that I don't think is as much of an imminent concern is likely the same. Canada reschedule death, know think or move scared to death. Now he just accepted it. As it's look, I I can. I honestly feel like if

died tomorrow. I did pretty good with what I had like. I think I did things that matter to me. I think I'm the needle on things that matter to me. I think I've been a good friend to the people. I care about I've saved a couple of lives, so I I I can. I think it's a very low bar for someone to be able to grow their grave and say you know. I left the world a better place than I found that I don't think it's at heart. New been betrayed of god. Yes, of course, avenue. Not as often as I would have predicted yeah, the russian are bringing that life is like specks ever want to be like just it's a time bomb before the betray you up in the trade of course here devalue liberty? I do I also made it a point to not let that betrayal color my feet,

interactions and regard that as the universal or the norm yeah. I think it's very important to me too, and also I feel bad. I I I've gotten lax enough that I feel bad for the person who betrayed me because it's just like they didn't need to do this and at some point, if you betray someone, you know, no you're, not a good person. I believe that near the given, if you yourself, there's something I had to do still: no, you had to do a bad thing to someone who didn't deserve it and that's a really hard pill to swallow and in my situation I still think good thoughts and empathize What with the people have done me? I don't empathize with them, but I sympathise with them

This is not good enough to know the difference. Empathizing means you're, putting yourself in their shoes. Sympathizing means you feel bad for them and wish them well. Yes, I wish them well yeah, but I don't put my sir Alec. I it's it's very hard for me to empathize with someone who betrays someone that they care about, because that is something it's not that just I think of such a great person, It's that I feel guilt very strongly. So if I did that to someone who trusted me, I would really it would fuck em. I had for a long time. Here, but maybe there were in pain, maybe they were spread and ensure that it is up to the wall. Sure I felt that sure without sympathy. Thinking really never thing near near world is a fascinating thing. Yes, I value trust. Allow.

I know you do special because you're such a public, both of us, were in a very public positions, yet very careful view surrounders off with it sucks. Does it what it is. sucks, because it's hard to. I usually just trust anybody. That's ok, that's crazy, but was filter to be have a filter. Why have a filter. In terms of why interact with okay within the euro, I see the good and people, but then you. and then in a very rare instances them. I turn. Ok, they're, just sucks the breaks, my heart yeah. I hear you. I completely agree. Has your heart ever been broken? Yes, love! Yes,.

I'm just so relaxed right now, go happy, relax, nappy good This is making me really happy it's so it again, it's beautiful and like eight different levels, I think that's the deepest thing I'm thankful for is just how beautiful people are and how beautiful the world is. I really and people are going to laugh and I welcome it. It's fine. I really sometimes feel like the guy in american beauty. Looking at the plastic bag dance, in the wind and is brought to tears Gaza. How much beautiful life is, and a lot of people feel the need to stare at that. Seen in an ricky's, ricky pits whatever, and I think he's got it exactly right. I think he does too.

Well, in the end, you and I will be both laughing its exact and right and also seeing beauty where others people see garbage and I'd rather be the person who sees beauty than the person. She is garbage here, Well, when I look at you, I see beauty and most people see garbage and is really unfair. Mr Blair, you keep saying that. But all jokes aside man, I'm really grateful for your friendship and I'm really grateful for you as a person. Thank you which were talking today. Thank you. So much for talking to me thought all these years. Thank you for being here. You are welcome they first This conversation, Michael malice, supported by gas. Please check our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you so worth some andrei guide

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