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in your fighting career, where more motivated by the love of winning or the fear and hatred of losing. I liked to win better than I hate to lose because if he would not have been the case, I would never have fought in the first place, because I don't like to fight at all be talked about the anxiety, the fear, the experience leading up to a fight so. Do you ultimately the reason to go through that difficult process is Has it feels damn good and heavier henry's? There is that there is also the fact that Martial arts I've been introduced when I was very young, It's probably the best,

thing I can do in my life. Fighting is its that's. What I do best also it provides me of freedom of access of things that most people do not have. but all that has a price and a lot of money. I made a lot of money, of course, with it I was maybe predispose with certain. I believe these I met incredible mentors two of my life. I worked really hard. And, of course I had a lot of chances. The stars were all alone and in order to cap, keep that those advantage,

as of freedom, money and glory in excess of things that most people not to have and have the these dream life that I have, I add, to sacrifice myself and fight in order to keep it it's very hard to understand, because I also believe most fighters are not like me, they a lot of guys because I corner a lot of guys and it seems to me that they loved their job. They enjoyed two to go faith in it. Age, I love to train, I love the science of fighting the sport due to be in good shape the confidence training and mix martial arts give me. However, I do not like the feeling of uncertainty, distress that I have not knowing. If I will be badly injured, are

humiliated, are winning neophyte its do me unbearable in it. That's what takes them. South of me more than brain damage. More than anything, that's what makes the most out of me, but the thing you get from it is the freedom they you get because because of the money, but because of the celebrity, because everything that comes with it, the aid can be the ass version yourself, because a fighting, but at the same time you said that quote, I dont believe pleasure in life, I believe

There's only a relief from pain we have to suffer to be on top, so isn't there something to just the suffering in itself, just doing really difficult shit just to get to the top to explain that in so people can relate to it, because not everybody's a fighter. I think the best example I can gives is, let's say: you're you have in the eu for a long time and you're a craving right, so you are suffering and then, when it's time to eat finally you are about to eat your favourite dish, it's going to taste so much better. So that's why I believe there is always at some sort of sacrifice before the pleasure and the more sacrifice you do like that. Say in fighting that the bigger the risk bait big

is the reward, and I feel that's that's how easy it is for me. He. I fear that with I've started fasting a little bit in the past couple years and now there's nothing as amazing as a delicious meal. Anything actually anything any food when you haven't eaten for several days, as is of incredible is not incur it's not incredible. On this simple way of file I get to eat, you get your truly experience the beauty of what it is to be alive. Like that little piece of food, you see all the flavors. These do you you, you feel just the experience of it is ultimately

of gratitude of how awesome it is to be alive. But when you eat many times a day and you're pigging out you don't get to experience that is fascinating, is re is really like. Fasting is one of the most accessible things for people. I think to experience that kind of a pairing of hardship to pleasure. I agree and in my case it changed my life on a good good way. I cannot recommend it to people because everybody is different, but after my if I to to fight Michael bisping, my last fight was against air the champion in the heavier weight classes I used to compete at saw. I

that if I would gain weight, it would increase my performance and I struggle a lot to gain weight. I gain l at about eight to ten ten pounds. Normally, I walk around one eighty five pounds and for that fight I was walking around one. Ninety five, however, I forced myself eat like six times a day. It was a very strict diet and I didn't filled. It didn't feel right to me because I feel like I. I was chairing like I look like I was carrying a bag on my shoulder, and I think it was a bad idea for me, because when I did the weighed the wine and I go went on a scale at one. Eighty five, I couldn't go back to my initial weight. That was one eighty one. Ninety five that I worked so hard for several months. Get there. So was one ninety power, but I can get back.

and the morning of that fight? A I got I got sick, add like we didn't know what what what it was in the beginning, because in order would know to find out what it was I needed to do what they call a colonoscopy to put a camera inside of you and to do that they give you the m. Something then make that that empty you and I was trying to gain weight, not to lose weight, so I told myself I'm gonna wait after to fight whatever it is because it Pretty bay was blood, and I I didn't know what I was I was very concerned concerned. I thought that may be. Cancer was freaking out. So I said I'm going to do that fight and then, after right away, I'm going to make a checkup. I did the fight. Everything went well I want the fight and went back home. I did colonoscopy an I got diagnosed with little circle idas than I and very severe medication to get better and I'm not a big fat.

medication. I was trying to look for more natural away to do to get better and I found out about fasting am really changed. My life, I met doktor jason Fung, was one of their one. I'm one of the well the authority year of unfair fasting. You treat diabetes patient with fasting and he gave me a programmer fast. Think about it. It changed my life and right away. What I did is I want the neck in a cat scan to see the difference, because it was right after my fight when Michael wisping- and I I did the cat scan so add my arm muscle mass bone density, fat percentage water within and it's pretty amazing can show you which harm as more muscle than the other, at its very precise- and I did it like add two tomorrow after

why I started doing am time restricted eating sixteen eight but write that right away when I started, I did three days water fast and the doctor Jason Fung says the guy liked to train during those days I am concerned. I consume Emily insult to make sure I, because, when you well- there's a lot of minerals to to make sure you don't depleted uranium role, and when I went when I compared to result in a cat scan, I found out. My biggest concern was to lose muscle mass. I found out that I did not lose muscle mass stead of losing it. I did increase a little bit, even though my weight on the scale was lighter I kept the same muscle mass even the increase, is a little bit my moments. The increases a little bit Water retention is the biggest thing that decrease so

my inflammation and my fat percentage. So basically the by looking at the data. I found out that by eating so much trying to gain weight for to find Michael bisping, I only increases my water retention, which is not good because it's like they're the waiter and inflammation on you. So what was the actual process of fast thing sees at sixteen eight times treated so intimate fasting, but you also mentioned the three out of the three day: water fast. What did that feel? Like yours said training during the three day he asked. How did that feel was? Can give me some details of absolutely fascinating saw. I do three days water fass, four times a year nice to me, I do it's everybody's. from afar. For me, I'd the wit after add, new year's during

the early days. That's when I I bad foods- and I drink- I see more like it get cleansing. You know like I like, like a dead duck sort us be mental to psychological. Yes, I do it after the new year's right before the summer. got a beach. I ought be after a summer because it thus our I've been being allowed that sometime, let let myself go and right before the holidays, and now I've tried the dock. Doktor funny system is a georgian ever It is different because I'm a a very active person and everybody has a different genetic. So so for me, I feel that three days is the sweet spot, because I still train during those three days the first day, the first two days. I don't change that I'd. I train regular on their rigour on my regular schedule. However, on the on the third day, I'm

the fire lit a bit. I do something more more easy and that's how I do it and now I've tried before, because when I say it three days, my sweet spot. I've tried to go up to five days, but the programmes is after my third days, I've I've found out that at a big pro I'm sleeping I get into air, I proactive mode. They called at the un target, our a like you, you you, you your brain it? I mean it's amazing. Our creativity is that its beak, but you cannot stay very aware and sleeping for me. I think it's very important. So that's why I do three days for me. My sweet spot s, interesting! You right is for five days when you start seal sleep is not important for me, so that the creativity is really important. So this very the places. Your mind goes after a few days. You right, why I mean What does it do to your mind? She mentioned

Nobody likes it in terms of training. Do you find that it helps you this and think Emmy you're one of the great strategic thinkers in terms of martial arts. Does it help with learning help with thinking. Does it help was strategy and jersey and all that, while, unfortunately, I got into fasting after I retired. I wish I would have. I really wish people ask me: would you have done it during the time that you can be, then the answer is yes. I think we live in a society that were bombarded by publicity or by this a protein bad. This is that an fasting nobody makes money. Would it because there that I think it through. That's how I think that's why it a lot of people have not heard about it and even mice for myself, if someone would have talked to me about fast, the benefits of fast thing, when I was training before I got sick, I would prefer

The am inured ignored him because I am not in it. It was it's hard to believe sounds ridiculous, yeah, it's gonna help your mind and you're going to gain muscle, potentially exactly and then perhaps people have talked about it, but I kind of they went in one of my errand out from the other side. You know, but it really changed my life. I am dying. Add that I was diagnosed with those circulated and it helps me get rid of all my symptoms. What I do is a lot of people have those circulated him in for me. I cannot recommend it to two other people, because everybody is if this different. But for me I made up a lot of research of all people from those are qualities better enough on other a lot of people that gun that condition

get better and the natural which will fasting eating fermented. Food colleague jean and I bone brought in and stuff what I've got an idea. Is that a huge difference in my life? I just wish. I would have known that before so. Do you have a specific diet, wise stuff you like, so you know. I recently another ridiculous sounding thing, but it makes me feel really good is very low carbs, so you know kido even carnivores, it sounds ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense, but it makes if you're, really good even for performance, is rogan. As on the floor, you are using a carnivore had I was influenced actually right people yet like there's I'll, tell you what exiles doing it before he was doing it is theirs. It was. Popular in the endureth athlete community. Where is fat, adapted athletes, its people who insane people

will run fifty miles one hundred miles. They figured out that they could fuel their body by with fat that can go to fat as as the source of energy, as opposed to carbs. So, and I remember Hoping get I'll be able to learn how to run fifty miles and so on. I've never done more than twenty two, but it I just remember switching way from carbs and feeling really liberated I wasn't thinking about food is much. I'm able t once a day and feel really good in it. I think, every everybody's bodies different, but I think cars make me lazy. Maybe it's because rush the eyes, the crash, but also just the cycle.

magically something, and it forces me to also think about food too much like it starts becoming. You know, art logistic. You said our society is so much about food. There's so many out so much advertisement, and so much of our social life is above good and so is very easy to live life like live data day thinking. When is the next meal ike warming, if a large, what am I a dinner when I'm on any for breakfast and if you're, I care Oh that's, gonna! Get in the way you doing cool shit for like deliberating yourself and thinking like what am I actually passionate about in this life like creating and forgetting to eat that those kinds of things and still being able to fuel your body, I dunno it's been fascinating.

To figure out like later in life that carbs aren't necessary to function. Well is it makes me think, like we don't know anything about nutrition? That's right! Yes! He know I personally act don't think I could have a diet without carbs. I love chocolate to march. I inform me thing: it's it's a pleasure, I love my carves. I love my sugar. However, if you talk about it, I dont have a specific diet, but recently I what I'm trying to do is the days that I do not work out. I only Once that's kind of my rules, plus I tried to respect sixteen aid and do my three day fast for time, ten years and the rest of the thing I I I I I I let myself loose because

I dont think I would be happy if I e, if I, if I, if I dont give myself, did that the right to tweet for me person, I love to eat so much tax. You talk about their diet. Carnivore diet is very interesting because I am a few years ago. I went to africa in the messiah Myra and it's a tribe in in in east africa, and I went to visit them. it is suffering and I talked to them and these guys they their diet, these ninety nine percent carnivore day they that's crazy, and you should see the very bureau what people read at last year, some people would say I'd genetic, I'm. I am a vision. Is it but I mean I think, about the Eskimos also there like most of their diet this on fish right in the day, so I believe it can be done.

you know like, I believe it can be done and I get an exclusive carnivore diane. I I think I'm gonna try it pretty someone, just as we have the experience to see how it feels like where you're going to hang out with Joe, be careful bringing it up, because he'll convince you to forever switch to carnival. Definitely he loves it, I mean, but just like you, I think he loves food, so he's in he can't ever stay on carnivore. It was funny cause. We went to italian restaurant together and I still only meet a guy love. I love the constraints of discipline. That's that's! Partially, while I carnivores alike, saying no to food is delicious, but part of the press Is that I don't know how to moderate. You said chocolate. I do not have one chocolate something you're able to do have In moderation, now it's

It would have an important day. I do it. I don't have any have annexed for miss person lex ice. Does that thing I am when I would have a chance. I, like I just I go to motion and that's why I like about my life. You know that's what I like about fast thing, because probably through, if I would not have discovered fasting eating, chocolate would give me crampton and all sorts of problems, because people also collide is normally they cannot each other. They cannot drink I'll go, but I believe because unfastening that's the reason why I am a medication, maybe medicine medication free, I can eat what have I won't whenever I want, but I have to do that that fasting, you know, and now it becomes doin it became too why that is no longer hard for me. It's like normal. It I'd. I dont even forced myself. I don't it's easy. You know what I mean. Some of my friend think some bingham I'm insane

you know I tell them is like with when you get used to it then becomes lichen and abbot. And I know that on together, like our ancestors than not three times a day. It's it's! It's not true did the where they ate one. they could and what they eat. They ve they'd. They feed themselves much as they can until that, because the next time, because I didn't know what, when they did, they could eat again right. So it's I think, that's our were or were built. You need to do to add this similar life that if we could take a step back to the discussion about fear lit a bit so MIKE tyson talks about this process serve him walking to the ring. He sounds similar. Do you in many ways of the anxiety and the fear that he experiences and he has this story. They tell us about the walk to the ring and being supremely afraid, but as he walks

its closest epson, he finds the confidence and become supremely confident. I think he calls himself a guy If you got a god is, is to go through a similar process of finding the confidence. Well, it yes and I use a user James land they bury their, they did so. What I do is because I'm I'm not afraid to admit that I'm afraid and that in the beginning of my career, I read that I asked myself because I was very good in mixed martial art, but I I I really thought I was in made for this, because the idea of fighting didn't It was it was it didn't, make me happy it's something.

a I was. I was forced to do in order to keep that lifestyle that I am and achieve my gold, perhaps one day to make enough money to retire, and you know that. was my dream? But when I was looking around the gym, where I was training, also my train, a partner that we're happy there were excited. Sometimes corner. I corner a lot of guys and they're happy in there in the locker room. They dont react the same way. I do some perhaps does but- If you see me in the locker room not like when I get like my last fight with Michael bisping, just I give you an example in my last fight with Michael bisping, because it's fresh, it's the one that is the most recent and but it's always the same thing. My last fight and my bisping again in the locker room, I'd like three guys that I train with mickey gall emmons a hobby and Jos Joseph Duffy they are

plus it was like. I like it. My my locker room was basically cursed in month. You know them when you are in the locker room and people from your locker room leave for a fight, then they come back, it's kind of a momentum. You know you, you, you shake and yeah good job. Now it's my thing. You know it's kind of an theme, brotherhood, sort of thing, so the the the the my spare in my locker room was pretty bad. It was I going to where you know like a funeral so I was very scared at ever before. Every fight that I asked myself, I asked myself always shit. What

hell, I'm doing here. Why did I choose to come back on my guard at and I'm freaking out, however, I'm putting on a mask like I'm acting, because if I don't do that, it will reflect on my coaches and if my coach might make the confidence of my coaches is affected, it will reflect reflect on me. Why need to feel strong? I need to make them believed that I'm excited to be there and I am happy to be. There are so this sort of play start when I get when I first step in the locker room, even though I feel completely different, but that's how I play it normally the day that fight they, I never felt fill a hundred percent, always filled eggs

as the tired and my highs are a a hitching, because I don't sleep enough. The few nights before, because I'm constantly rehearse rear facing scenarios that might happen in the fight so mentally. It's not that I'm not on top, but you keep all that yourself. I keep it through my up and I'm lying to everybody. But everybody knows no fair, whereas Jonathan faraday. They know Freddie roach, because they've been with me for a long time, so they know what's going on, but at least I'm lying to them, and I am feeling great so and seeing the my training partner, like very disappointed because they lost their Some were badly hurt as well. It was hard so and I regret I get one I get. I started a warm up and everything it has,

Start a warm up, you become a different person because you know certain. We know that certain posture in your book and F affects your went near mental state, but is that I would say it's a little but the same thing and in fighting you know like when you start aiding the paths you your muscle memory, your instincts comes back, and you remember that you're good at this, you know and your confidence start to grow, and as senior trainers holding that bad and then repeating your moves. It makes you all remember all their sacrifice. You have done true, you're you're, twenty camp and confidence come from you prepared yourself an even you're afraid you can be confidence confident than the same time being afraid and been governesses two different thing and before every fight, just right before I walk in its way

am scared. I go in in the bathroom and I look at myself in the mirror I used to have a bandana and an egg, but now I know more than I have this. This is for my last fight because of the there than you reebok they'll dad, but I did that we are that I always do. I look at my side. The mirror- and I start to complement myself like, even if I dont believe it I'm starting to trying to believe it. sam, I'm finding all the reason why I'm going to win the fight and- and all. My turner knows that before every fight when, when the guy from the rio see goes a step and one was a sanctuary up next, I always take a few minutes to do that. That sir we a rehearsal, and I told myself- I'm gonna win, despite because I'm better and I'm very cocky about myself. I'm telling all the reasons that I'm going to get to. When am. I got a better team. I made more sacrifice, you know, I'm I'm faster and more powerful way more. That is my fighting knight. You is better than him. I got a strategy on point that he never

Can I be able to keep up with an end this in that and I'm an I was telling my says I m going to show these young kids. How are things? I gotta get to boost, might try to to boost europe's up and you start to believing you become a different person. So when you walk out the bathroom now, a rock n roll. Now I really believe it for real. You know like I'm, still scared, but I believe that for road and that's that transformation that happened for me right there and from debt from now from from there. their fight its until the fight is over its call. I call it cruise control because I do not have time to take in a fight if you're trying to think you're missing the opportunity. So that's our I see it fall for myself that point stop thinking ages, go cruise control, ottawa, trust yourself, if you now dress yourself, because you repeated all the scenarios you know so everything that you have done it's it's inside did did you come

your your computer, your brain is programmed to react accordingly to certain situations and that it's not that not that night of the fight that you will you'll you'll tell us. Oh finally, I'm going to do this. If you do this now, if you have not practice it before you're screwed it the preparation to repetition, that makes it happened you what about like the really difficult moments in a fight where you are tested to your limits, essentially usually is cardio related exhaustion right, where you have to ask yourself that same questions like why the hell am I doing this. I do do do experience those or gary able to write through the auto pilot? And if you do like way, you do in those moments never in a fight when I'm in a fight when it that, though, when the fight is

john. I never changed my mind. I go until the end. However, for example, my first fight would be Japan, I the add a terrible first around so add to switch gear happen sometimes, but it's part of my plan, always I've a pan be planned plan, a plan b plan c, you need to have that, if fighters into a fight thinking? Oh, what am I going to do this? Is this and they don't have a plan b? If this doesn't work, that's mean they're not well prepared. If you talked to me before every fight, I can like in thirty seconds give you my old strategy. You know for for bjp, and my first buy would be Japan was I'm going to keep it standing up. It'd keep the fight from the outside. You know, because I'm faster than him, then the fight would be gyp and start. I found out that I was not faster than him and I found out that Israel,

and time was better than than than than mine. So I got beat up the first round and I got a bloody nose and everything. So my plan b was now. I'm gonna wrestle him in I'm going to arrest him in, and you know, may make him tired and trying to put him down and that's how I beat him because I switch gear you know, but if you can't do that, if you cannot find a way to become the perfect nemesis to reopen it, you you you might If you fight, but in you will get a fine you're, gonna fight someone. So later, I will there were- give you a lot of a lot of trouble, so that's where they exist, it pays off. Your anticipating always goes wrong to develop a plan b and plan c high yo. We talk a lot of what the a job higher who you work with. Since your thing, I don't think I've heard him too our plan b being plan c.

he usually has a really clear plan: a an entire system of planet. I think I've heard him we ve had but it is a good discussion about it in numb over some cheeseburger, and he's, but he was kind of espousing. the value of mastering escapes. So when you, of a bad situations. Being exceptionally at finding ways out of those bad situations and that's the way of dominance. There's nothing no better way to dominate your opponent according to him than dish, so that they can possibly hurt you, no matter how bad the position is. It's like it's a as opposed to physical dominance. the psychological damage very, very interesting, but I wonder if he has plan b implants seen as mine too you know, and in mixed up

at arts on time. It's like in science of that you can make it miss. Like a mistake. You know like every human can, make a mistakes. You know there are certain sport or a certain situation that you, if there's a mistake, made you're you're you're. That's it exactly sometime, it's the case in Mme, but sometime you able to redeem yourself and an out if you look that fight with bj penn, one that I had, which was probably one of the most competitive fight I and it was bradley that it was the fight that I got the most damage and I was messed up. It took me three days like two or three days to recuperate from that fight. I was really damaged. And my first right braces my second fight. I made a lot about adjustment because I have learned from my first fight and also at a guy one thing: people don't know like they talk about fighters, iming secret weapons, see for me. My secret weapons was not like some. Is that

use like certain like different things for me, was knowledge at a guy charlie was measuring frames is that, as scientists is, is, is a friend of ava for us and I and what he does he he watch fight any measure frames that the way he does it is when you watch our fight in one of the guy to a bunch he he he cut the picture by frame that the video by frame cut back. So he is able to see which fighter as better reaction time than others and bj penn. He found out that bj penn of all the u of c roster at the time when he was in his prime. He had probably the best reaction time of all. According to him, yotam estudo was the second one, but bj penn was the first one. So I knew that if I would try to go first because always been the fastest guy. Normally, when I fight someone, but when I fought big ip and I tried to go first and he was always able to

Like I, never it was never able to to touch him with my jab and he came back with a counterpunch. However, because of what he told me, I knew that be japan as a very fast reaction time but add a very poor reset time to him. The way describe it to me, like your nervous system, is like a muscle and bishop and was so fast, but he's like more like a sprinter. So what I did the second fight. I when I felt egypt- and I made him flinch, like I fake a lot, so I make him react and flinch so old that that reaction time that he used to flinch. Was not used properly. To avoid my punches, so I burn I load up, isn't is nervous system without

I have information and fit and fake, and to make him flinch and pretending. I was kicking and wrestling so he got overwhelmed and he got tired very, very fast. So that's how I beat him because sometimes they don't know really what's the strategy behind the thing they only see the physical part, but when you fight someone, if I fight you, I look at you and eyes. There's a lot of things that going on between you and I I can look down here. Pam jab you in the face that the audience will not see Is it all data, but you will see it and that's what it makes the magic during a fight, their relation that you have with the opponent in all like like the mental game? What do you make him believe that those eight holding I use a lot of those? If you talk to a lot of my opponent, I'll tell you like? I use a lot of these little thing. You know, like I look down about an hour ago, I go up, or I am presenting. Am I want to attack, usually make you flinch, but then ready. I'm just doing this

because I want to rest, I want to recuperate, then I'm tired. How much is you know people talk about that with poker. For example, how much is the value of this you know so, like some people argue that poker is more about the betting just the money it just how much you bet and so on. So that would be more like The analogy therewith with fighting would be just strictly the physical movement your body a lot of people argue that there's a lot here in the way you look in the little moments in the face. So do you think, there's you think you're communicate being. Will europe on when you look at them, there's no way to know for sure hundred percent by a no no mean psychic. Nothing like that. I don't know even that that all the only thing is, I know to looking to dies or my opponent when he's afraid and when he gives up on me. I've been accused very often in my career to not take enough.

Asked to not finish my opponent, but a reason why I didn't finish. My opponent is because I saw in his eyes that he gave up. He give me the fight and I'm winning the fight. So it's not up to me it's not to me to make it to try to sacrifice myself trying to finish him. Perhaps if I do that, I will open up form for him to to to or to capitalize on my mistake, it's up to him to make a risk, so people sometimes

they do not understand. That is the art of fighting. My friend, you know like if I'm winning the fight like an aki, and I saw a key if you're winning the game and it's the third period its at the end of the third pillar. It you're not gonna, take out your golden they're trying to score on their goal, because winning five to three or five to four is the same thing, is something in a memo would make a living out of this, and sometimes, as you know, a saturday as bad as again be you want to save yourself for another day. You know you want to minimize the damage, but if you know

is losing their fight. It's up to you him to take. The risk is not up to me, so I'm ever emma good counterfeiter. I use a lot of my attack on our or counter strike or reactive. Take nano proactive, dignan, that's my speciality, so I'm not gonna at I'd, have no desire to sacrifice myself train to two to trying to finish my opponent if ye wont to if, if, if perhaps I might give him the opportunity to capitalize on me, it's it's not it's not smart. To do that, and very often when I fight someone I can read him, I see the fear and his eyes nominally I got you know he's very disparate does doesn't mean

I have to put my guard down because he's getting he's going to be desperate, but I know I'm beating you and I know I'm betting you're just going to do what I need. You know if I have a chance, of course, I'll knock him out, but I'm not gonna try to sacrifice myself to knock him out and if you do that, maybe one day you'll make a mistake and you'll get drop and you're you'll you'll tell somebody shoot. I just get brain damage. Maybe I'm never going to come back the same may be you know, I I ruined my career or you know it's a it's, a very serious game that we're playing is very dangerous in the face of that risk we now MIKE tyson talked about you. No one now departed looks away. He knows he's got em right if that that these broken Four person like me, who has trouble making contact people just those truths, I mean they're those truth that that there is in there in animal nature to us. Looking away

see that the way body language. The way the eyes move between two animals going at it. and in the wild when, like two lines fired two whatever fight, certain beta move. When you did me, you ve been defeated. Yes are one thing when I know that that it when it happened, one of the saying is when I just like mega faith and the guy flinch like Crazy, that's mean, is really scare of me. It's a little bit like you're you're, you're you're doing this that guy flinch a little bit. Aren't you doing this, the splint I gonna eat that that's mean you hurt him and he doesn't want to get hurt again so easy. really trying to run away and not not winning that fight anymore, but not losing sore sort of surviving there that the five round in its hard to to finish a guy with doesn't doesn't want to fight by guy, was not fighting anymore to win and is fighting to not lose and the proof

that, if you don't believe me, just look the reign of all the greatest champion in you have see, I don't care what our are john jones or or or like you, could clever see that in the beginning of their rang, they couldn't you know phoenicia lot of their opening of the sitting, as me in the beginning, I was finishing alone mobile, but there's a thing that, the entire you fc, rostov, studying you and they found a way to perhaps not beating you well, but I find a way to navigate through that that the fight in a way that they minimize the damage, you know what I mean. So it's a big difference between fighting to win and fighting to not lose. You said that there is a difference between a fighter and a marshall artists are now. We were talking about fighting your consider by main, to be one of the greatest fighters of all time, but you said that there is difference between a fighter and a martial artist, a fighters training for a purpose. He has a fight,

I'm a marshall artist, I dont train for a fight. I train for myself training all the time. My goal is perfection. but I will never reach perfection. So what you does it mean to be a marshall artist, marshall artists, because that lifestyle that I have has been introduced to me. The sea has been planted. To my mind a long long time ago, by by my father, I am, I do not train. Because I have a fight. I will always strain even now. It is kind of amuse me that to see that a lot of people, because I'm still training, because I love the science of fighting- I do not like to fight, but I the science of It- and I will always do with as long as I can do it I think I'm gonna make- I come back and everything I'm I'm about to do, forty years old you know, like idiots,

like MIKE I want to fight in a cage at forty years of eleven it. Some people have done it that they didn't very well, but I am not one of them. I feel a little bit to meet at. and you never say, never feel like to me like it's a little like a kid they play with the strain, what is I don't like my little brother Lenny's, five years old, bought a little six or seven years old, eight years on, and I don't want me like that doing here and on its world for this like like it said I have done it- You know and and- and I got out of it on top it and I'm I'm here see, which is the most important thing right now: fetching wood and I'm I'm welty. I beat their game, Well, I mean in a way like that's not to be called you, but I did it and I wish more more fighters could do the same thing. I wish its unfortunate because a lot of them they stay there and hang out

too long and and they get badly hurt, they get a beaten and and and broken. You know, and they finish broke as well, because the lifestyle you have when you're a pro athlete it's crazy. you know it's it's it's unbelievable, however, everything that goes up a knife goes down and you need to plan your future. He knows who fought for me. What if guys I have the same vitality. I mean they're watching us right now. I would say if you do it, because you're just good, if you like the money that they advantage to freedom, that it gives you, but you don't necessarily like to fight when you're done. You finish. On top coke, I go cash. I didn't get ad hoc away to do. However, it's, not everybody that does it. For that reason, some while generally not love to fight love to compete, so they, good because I love it in order to do it because of the money, but if you don't

if you don't like to fight because it's very stressful and you don't enjoy you, let your drug to training. Perhaps we don't like to fight you do it, because it's part of what you need to do in order to keep that lifestyle and you know, like you, don't need the money, get out of here. Man who speak if you're in Europe you are in your prime, get out here, because if you don't you, you you'll, hurt you're only you see you you're damage your health, it's very sad and, and it's a it's a sign business. You know what I mean I get a lot of what one of the place. Where is the the mount with the mo one of the most obvious place for me to go and the most saddest place for me to go? Isn't the gym to try? Sorry montreal? Because it's one of the happiest place for me to go, because I can go train and do what I love to do, but it's also a very sad place may because after one another to leave. There's always a bunch of young kid that comes or

Guys are around The thirty three years on and that comes to me is hey george. You have some advice for me and I look at them and if there are friend their real prospect online I'll tell them the truth in their face and I've done it many times It was not well received, but if they're not my friend out you don't you know, dates with advice about fighting. Then I answer the question is my pleasure, but the truth. If the air they want me to tell the truth, the big majority of them. I would tell them ass illicit men you're honor, maybe three it I can and they're losing street of three fight thirty three years, all in all, I think you should think about doing something else in your life. You know, other goals, you know because you're not gonna make it and you know

I've seen that movie before and it's a very sad ending, and I am sorry to tell you the truth, because you're not gonna make them money just choose some, but if I tell you that they're going to be hangry at me because it'll be like oh you'll, you'll make it and you think I cannot make it so. It's kind of they're going to think I'm cocky, but I was lucky to make it. You know I do if the star were all annoying, but I won't point you need to be able to to have a plan b. You know like, like some parent, they come to see me with their kids, and this is that future world champion and then and now you have c and what advice would you give him? I always tell the same thing and it doesn't not make everybody happy. When I said I say I go to the guest, a are you good at school say stay at school. The school is very important for you stay educated, yeah dubai.

saying, martial arts, a great sports stayin shape, but don't put your eggs all in the same basket and apparent sometime are angry when I did not agree, but I can see in their eyes there like that, they kind of surprise and its. Because I made it that I will tell the kid to follow the same path. That aid I went to school. Do I arrive steady eyes, I drop of school when I had my first world championship fight against met use, but before that I was at school, so I don't know there, you know the way to go. If it things would not have done the same. Did though the way I want it, but the problem is- and I am saying that is not only about boxing in amendment dugout, oggie, basketball, baseball, saint, same thing, maybe the one on the hundred thousand that make it and I'm saying I'm saying that make it when I'm sam make it that's mean that can retire and I've enough money for the rest of his life, because

the sad story. The only people only heard about the people that makes it, but lotta fight or even, if you have seen champion in boxing chap, even a football back. If I don't, I don't, I don't care big names when they retire to have zeal their bankrupt. My friend and it's a very sad sad story and a sad reality that most people are not aware of, but having other pass in life actually can also increases ass a view dominating. Unlike reaching the highest peak in your main thing, injurie Pedro, knocking over that, as is a judah, coach and and and america. He was a piece says that to all of his athletes is to make sure that you go. He has a lot of you know harrison to time into. Gold medals has a lot of olympic medalist, but basically, there's something about going to school like having and forget school amy their avenue in life that gives you the freedom to go. allow, in your main, like that, you

You're doing it for the right reasons here, not stuck it clears the mind too, where you're free to be the best in the world. Yet, as opposed to canada, you have to A different people moderated by different things. Sometimes some people liked, they're back to the wall and thus the only after they have, but most people think itself. We have other options. I think it's a distraction and I think it's important to have this direction when you say that I think about one on my coach John Bene. Her he put is academic background experience into jujitsu, and that for me, that's why he's the best teacher ever had using credible ease start teaching me? I even couldn't speak much english at the time and I was able to communicate and understand. You know that's how good he is, but I I.

truly believe that most of that late, especially in sport like mix martial arts, train way too much. If I couldn't go back and talk to a young george, I would tell him say you do way too much volume you train away too hard. train smarter, it's more important and I think something we underestimate the benefit of recuperation, because you, I think we assimilate the information that we learn during training when we recover it and not during their training itself. and this old man tell you d of harder heavier, you know, and I like it's, it's good for someone who was lazy.

but if you are now lead that leads most of the time you know like you're, not always but most of the times, because you're, not lazy and a lot of guys. Sometimes the elite athlete champions and you're hurt people say I can't believe he's very gifted, but it doesnt work, but perhaps it son really because perhaps is because I don't understand, perhaps is doing the right thing and its us was working too much and too heart. That's what I think there's I train with ease. He made me think about about it. His name is madman serve bound there. We is gonna, be effort, does the future sars is is an incredible fighter. You train once a day. And he asked me sometime advice when you came on trolleys from france. You'll hear about volume using is very good, and I I saw him in the morning at try star and as that.

see you perhaps later in the other. Twenty is. I know I only train once a day and a kind of wait for me to give him lay like like not not that approval, but like To see how I react or are you know, I dunno? It was kind of a strange feeling by myself at that point I kind of I add an awakening and I and I told myself and maybe he's doing the right thing, because I let a lot of people would say, for example: oh that's a lazy way of doing it but perhaps it's the best way to do it. I'm not saying that there are twenty two once today. Is that the best way to do it? S from saint I'm saying that everybody is different, but for him it works beautifully, and I wouldn't change anything in all night If I wouldn't be him because he is, is improving crazy, yeah and ultimately bigger picture theirs to do something that

everyone else's sir says it's stupid is like the fasting thing that that a lot of people say a lotta nutritional experts say that that's that's a dumb way If you wanted Vienna may fighter, you should be eating like many times a day should be starting every day with oatmeal. You should be carving up constantly not necessarily true, very buddy and as possible, this actually now, if you wanna may fighters their carnivore, only it's possible I used to eat right before training, and I didn't bother me. However, now my first raining That I do normally an average at around noon. Eleven am I'm a I'm an avenue eat anything when I do my first training and it feels to me then a much. And let it much more clear and much more clear. In my mind,

more creative. I feel better yeah, it's a big difference. I just wish. I would have done that before was passing the role of the mind and all this. How important is it for your mind to be clear, did to really think deep, I and there's there's a judoka american named. Travis Stevens am army. He said something that I right kind of practices when your mind is exhausted at the end of it. They. U word constantly thinking through things. like your body should be exhausted. First, your mind should be exhausted. First, it's really fascinating, so people about training hard, you know a success. practices where you walk away just.

Overwhelmed how much you had to think as fascinating framing of of a successful practice is true. At Travis Steven was one of my main training partner. When I get ready for my fight with dad and nick Diaz and Carlos Condit, he drove every friday from I believe, Boston. It's like a six hour drive. Drive to the gym in montreal train with us an hour and a half drive back he's got such an amazing discipline. I was so happy for him when he one that the metal at the olympic games, our man what a well deserved you know

an accomplishment, it's unbelievable. It paid off. You know I'm, so I was so happy for him and every time we we got to the gym. He was waiting for me in a in in in the knee kneeling position. Like a soldier. I was like, oh my god. This guy is made of still you know, and after trading always offer offer essays that drivers. I know you you you like to train with that, because in montreal the every good judo team nickel is good and although get there was guy- and I said if you want to stay I'll, get you at the hotel. You know like every anything you want. As I dunno I gotta go back. I have another training later, I'm like not only that he trained with with us yet to go back because he had added straining. I'm like this is insane and he's gone to a huge number of injuries. So he's often innovator because I mean is the.

got to say, but for american judo there's not many high level geodata. So if you want to be the book like fight with the best in the world you, to be alone. It's a lonely journey actually kind of sad is much. it'd, be in japan, where everybody's a killer when you're alone at it, it's a it's a difficult journey, and you know it's it's funny. We talked about kind of there's. Some sports worms Stake is that's it. You know you can't recover from a mistake. judo oftentimes, one of those horse and added on top of that is the olympics only every four years and trousers. Hurry he's the reason I want some two thousand eight as I do. I started martial arts, a switch from like wrestling and she fighting to doing Jetson Judah and I just saw so much guts and the into

Thousand, am I messing up the years here, but in the next olympics he fought. He lost on just the referee call yeah, and just he went to war, and he just so much guts, anxious every thing on the line to lose and to still persevere. All the injury stall that do incredibly difficult training sessions to go. Other four years than compete and then what a metal mean that guy just an like he could we could have been very successful, he's off an incredible jujitsu competitors, so he could have switched to that. But he stuck in. A lot of sport when you're in elite, like, for example, in canada, I psyches than a moment's boarded the countries kids when therein elite, when their young there they get chosen and

there kind of already known as if superstar, at the school. Would that were a day ago and on the program they follow, like I'm sure, is the same thing in: u s and basketball or baseball, perhaps an american football because they already chosen so they grow up with that that it that it's kept, that that that a superstar as Adam so to speak, and it's already glad glass order glamorous, however in, and ever made there's no. I may judo wrestling like in america because it's not national sports, it. Actually it's it's not like even At first sight, it was not really well received by the media, theirs. Glamour into it. Now. I don't know it seems like it's another error now and I feel sometimes that some

people do it for their own reason in our does some people do it because of their glamour because of their money? but even if you are in the lead and very good that latin the money you won't come in the beginning, its very long grind for you know he start it started to come in and you need to make those sacrifices and needs It's a journey that where you will be tested, you will be hurt, repetitively and you're going to have to to reach that down deep and come back up and then once you finally think you made it, you gotta go back in the down deep again, it's a very exhausting and the courageous adventure sometimes, but if you all dont your dream and you believe in it, you know, and you have dead, tarzan, our allying you gonna, make it that's, why is only a few people that that make it? You know

and that's why I feel sometime they're dead. Then you a lot of before the new generation, do it for the wrong reasons might in my generation, because sport at first it was there were no rules. I father was more pure that people that did it was really because of their passion It wouldn't seek money fame. We did it because we wanted to be. I did it because I want to be the man you know I like to have the car does that when I walk somewhere and you know what happened, often is that you know it's an illusion because nobody's faster than a bullet. Yes, but I wanted to achieve it for myself and I which today now because I don't know if it's social media and all that bad, that did there the well ass change, the glamour. You know it's fillets, a different thing right now, Yet, if you get in it for the glamour, the money, you may not have the right the right amount.

fuel to persevere through all the ups and downs. Sure you don't want You talk about motivation of money and glamour the comes to mind and I around me wrestlers, you know, but in russia, there's a guy named overseer city of dear brother, one of the greatest freestyle wrestlers of all time, but also has it's funny that his know many interviews, one of my goals to god and talk to him a russian, do an interview with him because he's exceptionally poetic and deep thinker. He's the kind of martial arts the you are in the way that is not just about the different battles you ve been through or whatever it's about the following? few behind the way he approaches life. Now he he has spoken quite a bit about that.

The glamour. The fame. The money are all things that get in the way of the purity of the experience, the art. The way to achieve greatness is to just lose yourself in the art of the actual combat. In his case, it's wrestling and then kind of not to worry and actively make sure that you block out anybody who you know, feeds you the narrative we're supposed to be this famous persons, all those kinds of things that he be. He says, let others right your story, I make sure that you just focus on the art and now another person from that side of the world is, of course, could be so he represents save the world, that we were talking about walking away and must be for not being able to walk away at the top. you have, but also now can be, has looks like

Incredibly, cells of them any maybe even comment about what your thoughts are about Can we not make a matter of being able to just walk away? You know we talk about the gold very often gabby business. You know one of isn't the argument because he has the most dominate carer of all martial arts. The guy, you know some guys can mediate name the goal.

For different reason, but cabbie. For that reason and he's undefeated he he I don't even know if he lost right, you might you might him he might have lost round, but he dominate all his opponent. It was ridiculous and such an incredible career that he had and I love to watch him fight is easily incredible and and when you talk about the art, when you say mixed martial art, the idea of a fly at flawless performance. For me, everybody often when we say flawless performance, thinks about there and knock out a brutal knockout. But for me it's it's to be a

to showcase beautiful technique. I got beautiful. Take down beautiful submission, be like something beautiful that you know when you you look at, for example,. wayne, gretzky or Michael Jordan or aren't like stephen curry, or even if you don't know nothing about basketball and you watch Michael Jordan you'll be like wow, that's beautiful what you just did like. We talk about fighting and and tried to said the the word beautiful in fighting for certain people. It could sound kind of crazy and over, but but I'm talking about the technique, a beautiful technique. You know, for me, that's the goal. You know when I was fighting. It's no need to to have a brutal knockout, because some people are more gifted than others and said. I'm saying gifted some people are better than others in certain phase of fighting, but for me was that it was to showcase

these two when of course, but to showcase some beautiful technique that that that you can watch deaf to watch it and be like while I was incredibly, the timing did that and when I got up when I think cadmium, there might go man of I sealed data that that of his work, especially when you got you got his opponent against the fence. That's like that sees area of expertise. Worries to me is the best that ever did it in terms of that fighting style that that particular expertise that yeah, it's just the flawless execution of their particular set of techniques. Yang Conor, macgregor out there. The accuracy fighter Anderson silver was like. Was I would say the most flamborough of all you know like he was moving like the matrix john jones incredible in terms of creativity, spinning

elbows, and that any face and credible adversity, she was Johnson was so complete. You could you could bring nike was slamming a guide went on board, was just unbelievable, like like he was like the complete fighter. Be Japan was like so flexible you he did stuff with his buddy. That, like nobody could do, is dick. The dexterity of his hips was just unbelievable. Dominate crews to me was incredible, is footwork distance control, so we talk about like the goat, rice gracie, another one. He did things that I think for me is number one, because I gotta I gotta answer to draw the hoist is a fascinating one. I'd love to hear what you think about them, but many people Consider you most people can you to be the number one greatest makes martial arts fighter ever so, fascinating to remove you from that lists. In.

continue this discussion and asking like who do, you think, is the greatest fighter ever you list some amazing ones, hoists you somehow skipped fate. aids is I'm various russian I'm very offended now ass. I was going to be. There are so many further as one as well fed, or I think in his prime was like when you say when you talk about the name, for example like We talk about him when he was in his prime, like what, when I talk, for example, Anderson said well, I'm not talking about the andersons have all fought with fought is the last fight against Hooray a hall. I am talking about Anderson Silva, who knocked out victor bever, yes, bj, penn same thing. The problem is when fighters hang on for too long in the sport as what happened they the kind of meg, make people forget how good they were. And and very very sad. We talk about further and just just think about deeply milch me, which is probably the degraded

every way the whole dined which fed or how I would run you are, there would have when, despite the boat guys and our prime tend to lean worse, fed our because my heart was with favor to fit orbit could have gone the other way, but just because meal cheech lose is last by everybody's I they they forgot about it. It's crazy man, it's one fight using when you should zag boom its that's the reality of mixed up art was that's. Why the thing is the mixed. Martial arts isn't just the performance, the strictly, who one who lost a thousand stories but tell ourselves, and so I mean, there's beautiful stories being weaved and that also part of who is the greatest of all time is what what were the battles? What what? What had to be overcome what was the the flavour of the flawless performances, you know all that plays into it

you're right being able to walk away at the top is also part of that they allow people ask me about, can be, and that fight I want it to happen. Cabin wanted weapon, but you have seen did not want to happen. You see you and yes, and we try to make it like about truth years ago, when I, when I retired, to out three it now he was after two years ago and they then never came to fruition. Do you see were declared? They said they would. They have at their plan for cabbie, and it makes sense to afford a business point, because I want to keep the ball rolling, now vocabulary, I heard at like everybody else. After just just and gaiety, I was going to come at the iter in french or to use the butt of my body was going to Bobby. There is one guide I would have said. Yes, it would be him because for a fighter, the most exciting things things to do. It's often this curious one.

And champion was were your worries that rigorous match our vs ie you up, but you was worth the risk because nobody has ever been able to solve them. How would you solve the could be normal amount of puzzle, Well, yeah is very good against offence we'd have to establish a game plan and everything, but I think what I wouldn't needed to do. It the centre of the octagon right away. You was a lot of fagin fates, keep the fight although we all the way out are all the wind and when I sell the wind is when you close, that gap use my proactive and reactive take down in my perhaps my superior explosively, due to put him down I like to use those proactive entry and reactive thing, not because for me I filled it's more economical cab, maybe. much better chain wrestler than me. Jane

throw it when you get there guys to their fancies pure resting. What makes might take down very efficient, it's my karate. It's not my reckoning. Its. I made a very good timing. My opponent, and getting in with my explosive eighty, so if you watch it might take down, it does not demand, often It does not demand a lot of work when I use the I call it proactive, thank them when YE scum to punch me- and I react so we I mean productive as it is when, when I am faking it so I I I instigated that gone by a fake, then I Megan down and reactive is one is bathing em to troll something at any dynamics a counter. Yes, but all night, Down the center of the octagon, yes might think downs are more in the center of the ethical, like, up. Another guy doesn't well is gleason t bow that did well in his best days. You know.

cabbie by march, a style of chain rising, I would say like come our rules, man, source or to speak kind of kind of guy. It's difference, thou. You cannot comparable sound and that's the kind of thing done. I'm good. and I would if I would have five. That's one of this strategy would have a doubt. I would not have been fraid, because everybody that's what I was able to put them down and and and I have been agreed to prove it in my fight recently, so will you would have brought. c mon, his bag, and I would rather be my back as well, so we would have been a very interesting fight Do you think you're here to take down, I mean a lot of people speak about his rest in being, Jesse has nothing to do with it think that their wrestling, because, as do the current, I got the timing I got an I got. My boat hang around around his knees is going down. Everybody goes down, yes, yes, he's goes down and then- and I have a lot of that- that's what evidence

I would not have been afraid of his wrestling. I would ever be the instigator. I would have forced the fight for hard and that's. What are that's? How would have approach that fight which I leave most of his opponents were afraid of it. Pressing because they do not have the tools that I have put him down I know that for the wrestling I would have in in the clinch, I would have tried to disengage. I have many ways to disengage jack lynch. I would have want to forest the fight in in the in the in there fighting this you know like in an inner should, but this does not end up in a wrestling distance, is it possible? This fight still happens I am your young rate in sooth. Well, there's a lot of problems now and the thing is now made peace. Would it

I no longer don't want to fight, and I don't it's like an up- and you have said, was not interested and bound by contract with the usa and by exclusivity there they some people system is how about, if russians, Iraq or a a wealthy russian guy we're gonna be in court. What you see and and also I'm older now and when I go home man I'm like, I don't want to do this. You know like we will always this I don't want to do this, but that that, like, for example, I was running with ready roach a few days ago when I'm hitting beds I and at freddy's gave me, and is you have the hitched back yeah? If data white would walk there room in the event that Jim that risk haven't with that with the? U s gun track. I would cite you sang it than the blink of an eye, but whenever I go online, Oh no, I bet is full

my no I healthy and wealthy, why what I want to fight for I made peace, would it but the men, they go back in their jim because I still get inside me when I turned with a young guys. I still get it and a lot of guys think say. Tell me the truth, you? U preparing. I come back because I still get it you're, I'm my lab older, but I get more knowledge I can compensate. I had become a different animal because it you know, we change you, but that out there you go home and you you're you're like manna. No way, I'm going, yeah, it's very hard to explain you need or want to understand that it's very very hard to explain what, from your perspective, I think could be. is one of the rare one of the few fascinating scientific puzzles yet to be solved. So from that aspect the marshal artists days, has the fascinating journey to try to solve the puzzle there. There is, I think too, that we say always the best by our people.

Legs they don't like eye on this. I realized that later, in my life, I'm sure a lot of young guy will say I say here: is that don't speak for me, but I tell you right now When I'm about to say you will realize it later when was young. I think you can proclaim yourself the more the ass men on the planet, you know like nobody can beat you up. It's an illusion man, that's the sad thing while for, ample dc day or korea does probably one of the greatest, if not the greatest. However, while time you said neo, jewish butler, it's almost because of that little match up with John jones? Its is difficult for people took conceive of him as the greatest of all time. It's all about match up. It's all about timing. It, and also you make a fight. You met. You make bold guys fight ten times. Their result might be different like

wake up every time you know my image, I mean maybe he's going to win eight out of ten, but that night is gone he's gonna lose. Why? Because we don't know that you'd the universe made it like that you know maybe let's say, maybe a day emotional issues, you didn't sleep well, any you makes him loose brokers and you get caught back you don't we don't know, but is it said, as I think that the eu provides me, would you have done it with care babe? Where would happen? I don't know. Maybe out of tat time. I don't know, maybe as a fighter. I hope I would have been more than him. He thinks the opposite is only one way to find out, but that night, if there is a

I hate that guy they're going to win doesn't mean he is the best fighter. That's mean the deaf, but he's the one that fought the best the night of the fight same thing in basketball or aki the team that wins the game. It's not necessarily the best team is the team that played the best that the night of the game and fighting is no different, so being the baddest man on the planet, It's an illusion. Me that's the tragic thing about it is any one night anything happen, and that that tells a story for all of human history is is, it said, the thing about, but that's what makes it beautiful that there's so much estate like entire lives, all dreams. You had grown up all the hard work. All of it is decide in a single night. Even other means nothing in terms of whose actually better it's I mean. That's the beauty. That's why people of the event, big, especially, as is the happens so rarely and dream

a broken. or try off is achieved by the unlikely hero all like right, their minutes! That's why we love it. That's why if we would know always the result before it would be boring. That's why we do it. You know you watch the zenith light like sometimes like to I like to watch the fight you a fight. You know, because you know there's things I believe in causally too I believe in everybody believes different things, but I believe everything it is because that there is, there is a cause to everything. That's per person in what I believe I dont believe that I have like free will. I think I have the illusion of free will, but I believe there is a cause for everything it and if I'm doing something because of something because of a cause by definition, there is no free will in a way if there is a cost

By definition, there is not present make you feel by the way, like the idea that if we just look outside emu and just human the college in fighting and so on. If you look like physics, if everything's predetermine, if all These low molecules, interacting it's already like your story. He is already written. I mean at the vanna it's it's written, but I would need to know all the data and its impassive. Alright, they like it's, it's It's kind of weird I gotta say, but I dont to me: I don't see, The argument to counter that aid, yeah. I I it I can. I don't. Maybe I'm I'm ignorant, but I haven't seen nobody and have everything from that I've read so far. There is nothing that countered that idea, that that, because in a mechanical world, if your car broke- or you know we don't say other car decided to broke all three-

trees fall. There is reason why two trees folly, we don't say the trees decide to fall right. So what because us human being, I think it's our eager who, with their side and I'm no different than anybody when I make a decision I decided to this. I choose to do this, but I am aware that there is causes. That made me do certain things and, by definition, I think if there is a cause, there is no free world by definition right, yes, but the thing is just like you said, we understand so little about human intelligence. the human mind and especially consciousness that the this giant mystery this darkness there. We do understand how how it, how it feels like to be something to be

conscious being that because of that, we're not able to really even reason about free will or not is there might be some magic that comes from consciousness, that you know that the consciousness might be the thing makes us different from a car they breaks down, there might be something totally fascinating toy on this, covered yet that will make us realise that free will is actually realise somehow fundamental to the human experience, though its sometimes, I think we forget. When we talk about free will and physics, It up seeming to be predetermine. We think how little we actually understand about the world and I think, a mystery. That could be totally new ideas that are yet to be discovered and will make us realise that its knowledge. Just an illusion. There is

something that is like at the core. of how the universe works- some people believe that cautiousness is fundamental. property of the universe like it's a it's. A one of the forces of physics like consciousness, permeates everything it's in. Everything like this table is conscious, but it's not as conscious as us and where this little peak of consciousness, and if that's true, and if we get to understand that, maybe there's something does an extra bonus we get in terms of free will once you become one of those entities that are super cautious. So I attended be sort of but by the mystery of it, do you believe one day with with the technology that keep improving, we will makes robot that will be able to these.

How conscious absolutely aid this been. My dream, that's been. I hope I helped to do just that. Therefore, I believe that all people capable and want to be good to each other, and I think, love a really powerful thing that connects us and can better and better worlds. Sarah, like creed, better societies that improve both the technology. Quality of life and just the basics of human experience, and I think, creating a high systems that are conscious that human, like can enable us to be better to each other, like they can It's almost like adding more and more com, witness to the world through the systems we interact with, will inspire us to be better and better to each other in terms of them being conscious. I think that is a an absolute requirement that entities we interact-

with communicate. Some element of consciousness to us, like that's how we connect Each other reason we you and I connect is, I would leave that each of us, a cautious and to me consciousness means is the ability to her ability to to suffer too. Are the struggle in this world because, just like you said. With would without the struggle you don't have the love. You don't have the pleasure and ultimately cautiousness is an entity's ability to struggle to suffer and from that arises. The pleasure and us together being able to appreciate sort of a ah appreciate highs and experience together? The lows: that's how we form deep connections. I personally table can create that a robots, and I person

believe it's a lot easier than we think. Does it make you afraid, sometimes about The fact that one day hey high, like intelligence, artificial intelligence could be, could hurt. Us or you know like because were you know, because of hollywood. Of course, in other movies we watch, but but it seems like it when I hear sometimes elon musk talking, you know like it. Yes, You learn talks about the way I were summoning the demon. He is very concerned and I talk to him about it. quite a bit he's very concerned about all the different ways: a hike in part us humans tend to believe that there is a lot, more ways in which we can make our lives better and can make life awesome for humans. I think humans, are the ones that can do a lot of evil things. So

unless word, but I am more worried about humans. If I look at what you meant have done. on the course of history. You know four, for example, and regards that the planet today, the scale of the universe what I'm afraid is that we have more of a destructive force forest, a beneficial forest. So if a high take that into consideration in order, to protect us against herself. He could hurt us an add on a few huge on this than an egg. What do you think about that? The desert makes you afraid sometime not because of a high, but because of what you are doing that hey, I could do to us to prevent us. Of hurting each or ourself you in ya know did mean definitely can bring out, though the worse than human nature

provide tools for evil people to do evil things a larger scale, but I just think It depends what what you think human being these are. I tend to believe that, as we give, more intelligent We we start see the value evolutionary value and the values of happy. as of being good to each other? think I, if, if you look at it as an optimization problem of how to create a civil, nation that works well and expands throughout the universe. I think love is much more effective, for I will help us maximize that I think there's going to be always spikes, throw as it has been through human history, what charismatic leaders will do evil onto world in the name of good. You have

Stalin and hitler's and all that but ultimately, overtime. I think technology will give the good the good people power and the evil p less power. Now, there's a lot of ways in it, that won't be the case. There's a lot wait to go wrong and elon talks about them, but I I you think in terms of Intelligent, nay. I that's going to bring more love to the world though thing are concerned about is dummy. I so there's then a lot of discussion between china and the united states recently on atomic weapons system. This is something well, don't they're afraid to talk about but There is now a brace of where a united this is officially said that they're not against

adding a I to its weapon systems. So now the? U S, military, is adding automation, adding intelligence to its drones to it. So anything that can create damage, and so of course- and they did this so in response to china doing that. So you can imagine this is. This is terminator. You think of. Terminator is intel intelligent systems there not too pretty down the the point, is their efficient at doing what they do And in the space of war efficient and do what you do means killing so that I'm really afraid of, but those are dull. May I those aren't you're loving deep the filling relationships. That's like a

surely being able to fly to plan the trajectory of dropping bombs of missiles of how to do connor attacks of how to maximize the structure of particular facility instead of individuals and then that can just escalate her and as it is opposed to the cold war with the with the soviet union, this could be a hot war and then the consequence is once you allow. It's kind of terrify has come lay the drones are operated by humans, so You know you have say you have information about it, I'll. Just given information about a particular terrorists located this area and then these drones too be the otter asian there to help you figure out. What is the best trajectory to strike at that location? So be you still have a human that pulled the trigger at the end,

up in the bonn. Now. Automation and ay. I in atomic weapons systems, might be where you say there's a bad guy over here, you figure out how to get rid of the bad guy. Ok, so then, of course this Those will be very good at finding the right trajectory and so on, but there's bugs that can happen unexpected, bugs that the system might figure out that there is this bad guy might actually be in these other five locations, so makes my make sense to cover the entire area. Right and So you might drugs drop bombs in the entire area, and then you know that's just okay. So that's going to lead to a lot of destruction, skill. The city, but then you can immediately take that to nuclear weapons if ya automation too, spawning to counter attacks to nuclear weapons. Somebody you might get information that somebody's planning nuclear attack on the united states in the air?

system will immediately respond, and you know icarus on the scale of launching nuclear weapons itself, as others of these possibilities, that dont require much intelligence and that that's exactly as exceptional concerning. like you, I do not believe there is babies that our boy bad. I think people do bad things because of their experience. However, fi look to my experience and from what I can see. Some very often men's of power wants more power. That's what makes me afraid with yet? Oh absolutely, I listen a banner come from the soviet union, a word stolen is arguably one of the most powerful humans in history. The he's not talk too often enough about by the EU policies,

hitler gets all the attention, but stolen is done arguably much more evil, then not than hitler yeah witnesses of this human nature. It wants power. We see it. in institutions. We see that with governments and nations. I think, is you see this with internet? People are really hungry for the distribution of power like you see that people are very much distrustful of centralized places, a power of institutions and so on. So I think successful organization, successful companies, successful gum France will be run by people who distribute the power like. I don't trust myself with power at all, and I think you have to build into the system that no one person have power, they u distributed. That's where you have in the financial sector crypto currency.

our big coin or those kinds of things that people are exploring. How can we avoid the central bank to have the control He put the power in the hands of people found the people, millions of people same way with with me terry, with any kind of technology, I think the future looks very distributed. So do you think about military using space, the space force? I don't think about it, often because right now, on filled with excitement about space exploration which the positive aspect. So you on you know as us, born in an era where it was exciting. I dunno about you, but for me it's exciting to look up to the stars and

dream about us. Humans x, you know colonizing mars, causing other planets expanding onto the galaxy into the universe. Ass really exciting, So the the possible these. There are endless. I dont think, because the also the resources are endless, and so I think we can the trouble with militarization with wars when the resources that are very constrained, so I think for a while we're not going to be fighting. they are the only wars will be fighting in space are the ones that kind of farm other another nation to come nation to complete. Who goes to the moon. First, I get asked us those can those kinds of things or may be for satellites and all those kinds of communication and may be in assistance first, like cyber warfare, which is also very dangerous, but in terms of state of the wars out in space. I think.

I think everything out as space will be there positive uninspiring- is very hard, but the good things, are hard. I think that this is where and I've been talking to a bunch of people, bought the extra terrestrial life I'm really excited by. I dunno still a thing when I look up to the stars, it's exciting to me. I know I think you've spoken about it being scary, but to me it's exciting that there's intel creatures out there far beyond, perhaps the intelligence of our own that are just too far, way to explore yet, but we might one day come in contact with them, so that that to me The ultimate motivator is too other intelligent life, forms out there. connect with them. I have you ever meet Jacques valley, I know but I've been in communication. I want to help the talk down these amazing rancher. I am, I not.

There are even on any theories about us. if there is alien, we don't know right, but some people think it's from another star systems, jack values like to make a long story, shorty as a different theory, thinks it's perhaps beans that could be living in that from dimension than than us, and there is always says that is when he makes an experiment There is a sightings very often of a you fo. Let's say I'm under you at for that. You have three guys one. They they are looking at, the? U fo, very often when experiment that you can do and some time and that that says that case us you're too, to walk on the side, and there is that at that point, that is like a corridor. You see there, you are for them, you stop see, london corridor in that's one of them

reason why you saying that its perhaps dimension- and I found that fascinating. You know if I did. This is what they know to the discussion of consciousness, that is it. It feels like we might be just experiencing a very particular slice of the universe. We might be understanding was at the higher dimensions or india. In dimensions in whatever form. That means that all these physical theories now that describe worldwide dimensions as much higher than the four dimensions of the three dimensional space and one dimensional time. So whatever the hell is going on in those other dimensions, it could be something. Unfortunately, this is the sad part it may be something we can even comprehend with our human brains that limitations are just.

I mean that were built were just descendants of apes, so like it might not be possible to even understand. Is there alien? Is there another dimension to our day a human from the future? Is there a threat, perhaps chinese or another group of people that are working with technology far behind? But you know what lex I add the chance to meet that you know because of their sport. I'm doing I met a lot of people in military in politics. Sometimes, that I I asked them every time I met. I met one this week and am I I ask you as a true about bid that europe was there. Is there any says to me like the before? Even before Can I say I, sir? I have to ask you a question. I wasn't in LOS angeles If all you want to ask me about us right away, do a thing as a yes, if you saw it in your eyes, say yeah, there's things that flies that we don't know, but he does. He didn't tell me

No, I don't know if it's alyosha whatever, but there's things. Apparently there are, I did, and I know you met forever leaner, like favours thousand. let me raise it makes me sad that whenever there an error now that that it's used to be a subject that was ridicules and now it is so cool. it's you know. I m very excited to live and to that that area enough? Yes, really exciting, but the governments are kind of behind the times. On that aspect, is there not transparent communicate well I didn't mean to think the possibility that in all that, less government might be in possession of something that they do. tell the world about because there, scared is because it on what the hell it is, and then the chinese to gain the technology are all those kinds of things. Do you think the prison?

of the united states, for example, because a president comes and go every right for or eight years do that you would know all this. However, it would be a guy like where's eyeball vladimir Putin, with no more modern, much of you, doin nothin President even know like even can knows all all dead. The secret EU presidency, I dont, think sound gazillion goes they go back and forth every four years. You know they have the terms right, so I you know I wasn't sure before, but I think I could trust the previous united states, president of donald trump, that if he knew You are probably tweet about it, the rats, sir, I I I think it is far from the continent. I've worked. Dark. I work with the idea, o clearance and I think, from the perspective if you, if you see the world, is fundamentally a dangerous world, where secrets

important to have from a military perspective. I think it's very unsafe to tell the president in the united states check that you have this kind of technology, so, if you think of the world in that way, I I hate that that's how that world is viewed because, ultimately, I think, was more powerful than the military secrets of that actually is what will happen. The twenty first century, what's more powerful is inspire people inspire than the young isla mosques of the world too, to create cool new things. If we have technology that we have come, have encountered. The widow understand that should only be inspiration to develop. That kind of stuff It should be seen as military military threat as a secret to hold onto. I think secrets

I hope we more and more. Let go of the idea that there are secrets that give us advantage. You know like in the tech sector, people are more more relief seeing the software and weaken our open source, Like secrets? Don't make sense? they share the knowledge, sharing, show the knowledge, Jake you're being a I too share the knowledge. I think I hope is an old idea, it's more air. When you make it things more compartmentalizing. Oh yes, we other, well that's the other thing is the bureaucracy of government is like we'll only know their own little thing and they don't spread the information, it doesn't travel. Well, I mean there's a lot of just inefficiencies that are. It makes me sad. It makes me sad cause the the science engineering that happens and governments like lockheed martin, developing the different aeroplanes that these from it applications. If someone was incredible engineering ever and its secret, because they're afraid to share

with the russians and the chinese and so on, but on that topic I do think somebody like Vladimir Putin, When, though, probably know stuff, my god, my god, how I would love to know what he knows, then again, you never know because even he is in a people. Think of him as an exceptionally powerful person but he's also just managing a bunch of tribes. His hours very limited, he's trying to hold together a bunch of greedy power hungry men- men as our ok he's trying to say wish balance. He may not know everything, so I hope this changes

cause, I think, there's nothing more exciting about. I don't even know if there is a human. That knows you know what I mean. I like this idea that there is some mass civilization, alien civilization, that that land on the white thousand and say hi. I come to meet the prison and I, why would they do that? You know what I mean sir, the annoying. While I do think that actually mean that's one possibility ray is large. You know If an alias civilization really wanted to contact us, I think everybody would know. So I think what were if, if there's any kind of interaction between humans and aliens, I think mostly who were interacting with is a crappy like probe drone thing they can. just like let like it's like this would have worked out on. Why was this damn thing? You know when Interacting with the aliens I think just like just like for us, I think humans are.

When we venture out into space the first That's going to me aliens is our robots. It's not us humans, because we keep sending robots out so they're, going to like they're going to make decisions about humans by looking at I say that favours raised a great. Maybe there are robots, maybe it's all bs thea nokia, yes, I don't know, I don't know. What's that interaction? Is she look like. If airlines really wanted to reach our really communicate and iron offer able to actually communicate with them. That's one of the sea things woman I be billiton there we might The aliens might already be here, and we might just I even know no honey. see them or know how to communicate with them that there is so much. Misinformation and something there is people's there. Very credible that that happens then made crazy claims in all. I like it,

you, don't know what to believe. You know like Paul ale you're dead did. Minister. the events of canada sunday, some there are many alien raise that ever get out, that is to say the authorities at an did that that scientists May I think Israel recently have said something about trump ease? U s keeping secret. Medvedev, you're from russia, velvet ever been cotton, and I can, during a break between interviews, two thoughts about I, oh it's like men and black sawdust. I don't know you don't look like he was joking, but You think this? You can check on youtube. It's a it's! It's it's! It went. It went viral. Yet there's a lot of things like that. Sometime, like our our bob last, are- and I imagine if it's true ma'am, you might imagine if it were like a fish in the water we live in our own world and sometimes there is there a fishermen that grabbed the fish

thinking about the water and throw back in the water in the fish. Goes back to the eurovision say: there's someone! That's that take me out of the water. Then I've seen things that I didn't know that you mentioned. If it's true like we nagging at an and one. Other thing like I wanted to ask me, because you have you what consciousness, how about my dreams? What is a dream? Yeah poor, I I more and more, I dunno, if you're paying attention to this there's now is become more acceptable in the scientific me to do large scale. Studies of psychedelics, for example, and there's a lot of connection between psychedelics and dreams, is very similar states. There's a lot our mind. Does when its detached so from reality that it can just explore our different ideas. Three, very

the dreams. Is your travelling somewhere in the same thing, with psychedelic you're travelling sore in a different, not travelling to physical space is the other dimensions or talking about you travelling. Some other is through some other dimension to meet some other creature. People talk would deem t that they meet some else. I've never done. How I'd like to get enough there's a safe legal way to do it, but they are talk about meeting elves creatures like entities and they cord who are they What's the fact that what is this is it because there are higher is because we have actually meeting something and maybe there's no difference- I mean that who knows exactly nets- takes us right back to us not being able to really understand how our mind works. Dear, I work in artificial intelligence.

It clear that we understand so little about intelligence. Some basic things about intelligence, just added at the very start of basic first principles, level, we don't understand what it means to to reason to think to assimilate pieces of knowledge together from from the basics to the council, x? You don't understand, it would also show how the human mind does it. We danish. The you, a miser would seek incredible waterfall of information and filter cleanly into just like clean You only see the things that are important and are able to stick together, be able to reason about the world and, at the same time, have moments of my genius of creativity like work. What is that that also? You know people writers talk about that

that they're. You know, they're almost a communicate with amuse like where do ideas come from yeah. This is the Joe rogan philosophy, but but I I don't know that past civilization were a lot of them were bad based on shamanism, and you know. What I think is sad is if some one drink alcohol and when he's drunk is going to commit like great, like like murders or something we going to blame the person right, an essay, that's his fault, southern, the default of argo. However, if someone does psychedelic or any things that is illegal and do some crazy. Now we're gonna put the followed on on psychedelic. You know what I mean, and perhaps the per in itself is the reason why in always been doing these things. You know I mean so yeah, it's press, the our society, you know like in canada, they just legalised matter where they live.

Shame on what is legal, but before that before they did it like if stock, for example, to my dad, my daddy's against, like because you hold mentalities like it's. drug, it's bad at it, but drinking. I glad you know drinking a bear its fine. I mean what is you know what I mean? What is good? What is bad and I I guess you think chocolate, be bad as well for your half hour, I got me I'm going to the extreme of it. What is what is bad if you use it for recreation, you use it for an experience parlor to learn about yourself. I think it is said that The lion is very tidy. There's some countries that drugs are legally. You know what I mean. I I don't know add stats, but I would I would be interesting to know it. They have more crimes there than other countries where it's more strict, I would. It would be interesting to know about that. Its fascinates me yeah, and

well, he was kind of just come up with the arbitrary lines that was good was bad or that applies with drugs. That applies to anything that applies with animals. For example, we talked about carnivore diet. Maybe the time eleven now be remembered for the cruelty to animals. For example- and I believe this The twenty first century will be remembered for our kids, These are robots that eventually there'll, be social rights movement for robots way. Yet they were the ones who choose to be cautious. Thorns who have cautiousness will say we deserve rights too We deserve to be treated with respect to about the people would put in jail. people put in jail. I, if I think in the future, will look back and will think of ourselves being stupid. You not put people

in job instead of trying to fix the problem in a day. base in all, of course, an hour or so I guess it's our insurance. That made it in a way that we cannot sort, sometimes just on what makes sometimes psychopath psychopath a murder a murderer, but you know if we can pin point the problem in the care of it before you know what I mean or made it and though it eddie, we can to reestablish that person in the society. You know who I was and what was the futures old? It's interesting. We live in an interesting time. You mention your father. What have you learned from you dad? You mentioned an important part of any childhood. My daddy's amazing. I grew up at. We didn't have a lot of money, but it doesn't mean if I'm born in a nice country that always nice thing happened. You know and mad at for me. Is that he's a big role model, because I see him true,

To my life facing a lotta of adversity, you know ye. Are you stop drinking? When I was a teenager, he was an alcoholic. And I've seen him struggle to that in any way Very very hard in them, I've seen him work. Like crazy hours like come up, leaving morning, come home at night burned out because of work to almost all his life, to the point that it became a slave of this system? became a nigh bit than the normal way of living, and it made me realize that I have learned a lot from my father. He taught me person IRAN's hard work in our when you face adversity. I never give up until you achieve it by all sweetie it,

mere a lesson that, in a way that I dont want to be like him, even if he is api It's because I realized, I don't think he knows anything else like ie works to all his life, and I don't want to live to work I want to work for it, for you know what I mean I wanted the site when I walk. You know I feel like like he. He he lived to work instead of working for a living, and perhaps it's because he did not have choice he he was the older of his family. They add, they were nine kid his dad. My grandfather die when he was young, so he had to become the father of the family and and work to put money on the table. So perhaps that what made him that way- and he became like I- can abbot for

my dad thought me when I was at school, I was bullied at school. Is the first one to initiate me to marshal art. You thought me already made that might I was a black belt intuition already as well, but because he was working too much. You didn't have time to teach me and I needed something Hence, in order to defend myself, I ever winning a great covered mixed martial arts, but in there, in the schoolyard premise, ignited about my mixed record, buyback might get by my regard is not very good when you're a kid you're about seven, eight years old, and your facing bullied bully is that are due to three years older than than yourself, it's not the same thing than when

twenty five and the guy's twenty eight, so there is a big discrepancy in terms of maturity, saw my dad thought me introduce me to karate danny Daniel at eat enough time to teach me. Then he put me. In a school with an teacher. They said it was Jacques. Would, sir and. I grew up with a lot of anger and there were two person that was afraid going up was my dad. I that was very severe, very strict with me and am glad he was because I I could have become very bad. I could have become tourism on a different path, because as a nice guy- and I am- I am a nice guy- I try to be a good role model. Would I could easily turn towards our around

there's darkness somewhere in their yes, there are a lot and a lot of my friend. I've choose out that path and, unfortunately, a day that there they are there not with me today, even if I'm from Canada in Canada seems like the nicest country in the world. Like I said it's, even if you live in a nice country and not always nice thing, it depends of the situation. But that's what my that taught me. You know, and a key gave me that true too, I am very good at learning, by observing people and by observing him, I I see there the struggling add without colors. And when he did that the the pain something daddy inflict the two to us to my family but I'll, he turn We did that one eighty degree an

I really admire that, and I know it was very very hard for him and he did it in vienna from yeah. That's a great their role model. For me, sir, would you dad being an engine of basically hard work and you finding a balance? A beer Work your ass off, but also to be able to enjoy peace, a chocolate. What is perfect day in the life of your saint Pierre, look like psych. If you were to go through a day, that's very productive, but also one, as makes us back. enjoy and say that was a good day. Was that look like when we talk about when you? what do you eat? Will you do it? change over the years when I was younger ever good day, it was like a good training sessions. Are you know achieving good thing? In my train being you know and that's. Why was

good added, because when I I was upset, you know, I think, to be good at something you need to become upset and to me per fought performing in my training was everything in life. When I had a bad training Jane. I didn't tell my training partner. I was acting like a like because of that. My ego, why didn't you know I've been? nobody was I had. Then I go in a large room. Then then, I am playing the the the the training in my mind and I'm saying cash would have done this tion of that and it hunt me it hunt me man, it's a training and it haunt me until the next running session on when I can redeem myself That's how you it is when we used to train and altogether back in a day in canada, we add David Loiseau, we add patrick quotas. We, dennis gang stephen you

one at that will at their doors all like that. The best guy in canada, their work training with each other before we work, training, indifferent Jim's, but once a week. Made it nobody contact everybody that we all join forests and which change ideas and we train with each other. So air, a friendly, I would say friendly competition. It was not maleate or Malleus malicious, but it was hard training. You know like not or a goal is, was to improve you. Nobody wasn't very competitive and when

that day you used to get out of the training session with a bad performance. For me, he used to hunt me until the following week, when I could give it back and and perform better with the guy that add the most troubled with that's how he was and that's how you get better you know, but but it was not a training where it it it with where we're trying to do malicious things to one another. You know what I mean. He need to be playful, but playful, but competitive that when I had a good training session, because aspiring was on a friday I had the best we gotta know what I was going out. My friend drink, gained partying and have found that there was. That was my my my my idea. They back in the day to day is change. You know, might might my my life ass change. You know, like eight

I am not the same person I used to be when a girl went on my knees and begged the u of c for a title shot. You know what I mean I am. I am wealthy, am the most importantly as the most important thing and as a matter should as good as my career was man. My private life man is a million times better than I am, and people ask me something: they are always wonder day. They try to ask meat and its normal is alot of people is curious and that the rapporteur, and in the sport of mixed martial arts, we say would play basketball, would play soccer by you, notably fighting. the one you exposed your private life we that happen in the five weeks up, I'm gonna make rigour and keep your competitor knows that he can

get to use what he will do. We will try to get to someone tat. You love. so? May I never expose my my private life and never pay. Since the grammar of my family, my stuff, it does a reason why, because I mean I am I'm in the business of fighting And people know that they cannot get to me and I believe that. because I was bullied when I was young. I didn't realize that when I was young, but it helps me deal with them mental aware affair that any that had to face that on in my life and mix martial arts, because as a very egotistic sport and there's a lot of loud and a lot of intimidation. I was used to have been used to this thing when I was young, so it does not get to me, however, that a good way to get to me go go, go go tried to get to someone. I I love now.

And I am going to go crazy. You know what I mean and am aware of that. So, in order to protect myself, I always because I'm aware I'm a public person, so I try to always keep my surroundings like in private, though you're one of the ways that, like your your friend of mine, Joe rogan, as been an inspiration that he he's got like an incredible family and he, for the most part, is starting to change recently He's got interesting, but for the most part throughout his life he kept it pretty secret doesn't talk, borrowing Colleagues, a comedian committee is talk about everything. He doesn't really talk about it and there's something to that. preserves the magic of this, the silence of the private life, and I think it can affect the development of the kid if the kid Being is the son of that guy instead of being his own person, you know what I mean so so

for me as very important. Like my parents, are older. It's fine, but it taught me a big lesson when I'm with my fran at that dinner or anything I thought would person always sure thing. But when I m talking, I am aware of of the audience with am in the front yeah and I'm in bed oftentimes. Those people are just incredible. It kind of makes me sad that there's a lot of people love. You re in there a lot of really incredible people, you'll never get, really know their story. I may add a note for me makes me sad. You see them like at airports, as some people will tell me they lose his pockets or something like that and durham. I could tell their incredible people and makes it's a little goodbye of hope of a possible friend, may it makes me sad right. It's it may see. It's only it's almost like celebrity- is a lonely things. So the higher the celebrity, the more lonely, become in some kind of way. But of course you have that

Little gem of a private life, but you can personnel leave. Every relationship I ate like at all to use this term, but it's alright, they give and take relationship. You know like you can gain something and the present day it could be something like not materialists materialistic like something always a good. Confident like you, some one iD can give me good advice or- or it's a word, that would say like extensional like if a pilot as a co pilot is the copilot these extent as a extensional relationship with him. You know so he knows. If you get sick or you faint, is there to make sure in a way is there to help, and I think that every relation, it's about compatibility bodies about extension, reality right in a way that, if that person these extension or at some time we talk about about love, you know like it. Let me repeat, think is: is it is it that bs word or not, because I myself some

I'm look at I look at myself in the mirror and when I do this stupid thing sometime, I love myself. I luck and sometime. I don't you know what I mean, because I'm angry at myself at dunn's, stupid thing. So that means something he could love could be fluctuating. You know what I mean how about in relationships sometime you if people they say they love each other, but then when they divorce, they go. Oh, I want the house and the dog and the kids stay with me, and you know what I mean if you love it, if, by definition, if you really love someone, And that's a you're, an old man, then you love a woman and she decided to leave you for younger man. If you really love, were you gonna help her back and leave but in our society. Sometimes we want to home some to me. Love includes the missing somebody

losing somebody. The anger at somebody. It's all the passion, feelings towards somebody. That's all love! I get eight, you know it's all part of the thing is the ups and downs its The sad thing is when the feelings towards a person up to now go away the forgetting, yes, that's the opposite alone. This is the opposite of lovers and hate that to me, the optional loves forgetting man and that's that's a much bigger the sick and the depth of human connection. That's how I see love so sometime I tried to escape was seven and I've been asked. I tried to because I have the image of someone was positive, but I go to my own demon as well. Sometimes, however, when we talk about love when I was young, you know like

And, like I didn't love who I was at first, that I love, I learned to kind of love myself like I did I didn't when I was going it true to bullying. I was, I believe I was bully, because I didn't love myself. I am because I project a very bad image of what Think of myself. I was a kid there like a lot of confidence. I was looking down when I was walking. I shut I shoulder when someone was- king to me, I was avoiding eye contact. I was a very the target for bullies and I think bullies. like a bright, predatory, animal and in nature they will hunt there the easier pray they wouldn't they don't go

their lion don't go for that. They have a bull, they go for the one was hold or whose sake the weakest. One and bullies are the same in society. I believe- and I d like to be bullied of cars, but I didn't like the de person that I was, but I found out to marshal art the respect and might my coach was extraordinary to me. He taught me discipline and self strict self strain and I found out that I needed to in order to love myself, I needed to change myself because I didn't when I look at my son in the mirror than like what I saw side a sight to become like some one, that I would love. So I,

to look people straight up and in trying to showcase a more confident image that I add, and it was hard in the beginning, because I didn't really believe in it, but I I fake it until kind of I make it so when I was walking at school more and more, I was learning out to become more often it and I was like taking charge at when did the teacher was asking questions I was at first, I was never something was like this waiting always to be the last, then I was hey. I know what the answer to this is the answer I got out of my comfort zone so to speak. and I wish I would tell you that I got out of bullying because a hollow It's that we had. I use. Martial arts beat up all that bullies, but it's not our way that happened to me. It happened because I change myself from the inside out

and I learned out too, because I didn't love myself in the beginning. I learn how to become like someone that I have love and even now like I am by no means perfect. I do a lot of stupid thing but I learn as a person and even I do as something stupid, I'm like shoot. I did something stupid. I at least I can apologize to the person. If I realize and- and I know that another person I wasn't that pass- am the person that I am right now, so I can learn and become that image of the person. That I love. So in a way there isn't I'm trying to be positive, and I may be enabled to see positive sometime in life Because I have always tried to be like that person that I love and I think, if you don't look yourself in the mirror and don't love yourself, I don't see any positive.

which are for yourself, but how can you change your environment? We cannot change yourself, you know what I mean. You would never be ip if you're, not that be when you look at yourself in the mirror, so change yourself furs than changer. You know it's, not the environment, again, a change for yourself it it's! You have to go from the inside out. You know this this. I learned to marshal art I ever Add a coach was incredible, used to drill the these ideas and my heaven and give me confidence in all. like this telling me all these, these beautiful things about myself an hour a is dead now, unfortunately, peace, peace to him, but there he was incredible incredible. He was very, very I was afraid of him- was afraid of my that, an afraid of him. He couldn't teach nowadays like you, used to teach me because it would been prevalent gel you know, but I'm

the data, because for the time being, that's what I needed it and I would never have had that their career. I had and mix martial arts without this because I would have- never have got out of my comfort zone would have been impossible and in order to improve and life, you need to get out of your comfort zone. It's hard very hard to do And and strive to be, the personally can love does nothing as beautifully poor george, if you were to give advice a young person today about life. Would you tom if e takes life with the same mentality that I do if he has the same taste of things that I have? I would

I am in a fort fora for sport in full for life in general, I would say if you will ever dream in a light. Make everything in your power and work. Very hard? You know never take no for an answer. And go true how, in order to achieve it, don't work hard only by the work smart. Does I think that problems with another, people they work hard at work hard. They burn them, suffer they don't work smart. whether it is in science and business they make by bad choices are day badly informed in sport many guys. I've seen room, they carry the gems. They these.

Are so hard day the the room there themselves in the jobs they leave the career, the gems, when I would say to, for example, because feel of expertise and its in sport of mixed marshall art. I would say to yeah young kid make your training play for you know when you get ready for four competition. You need to train to recreate those elements that makes you go outside of your comfort zone by then every days, life in general make your training playful, don't makes it hard core competition about whose was winning was losing, make make a playful, so it will increase you're.

because you and you will not be afraid of getting hurt or losing. You will be tat, trying more things and be you. It will make you become more, create creative. That bring up another question about learning, so you you value knowledge and your exceptional at basically being very good at learning and feelings of our new thing. or going deeper on the things you already know, so what Would you have four huddled learn effectively I hear you say, work smart. How do you figures game out. I believe the best way to learn is learning from other people's missed yeah. However, perfect, and I've learned from my mistakes as well,

Sometimes I took it took me a few mistake to learn the same thing, but it especially in the sport of mixed martial law, because we talking about the failure it could have very serious outcome on someone's life and well being so its crucial to trying to learn from other people, mistakes, new study, others do every every fight, I've studying my opponent and I've, steady myself as well, to know what am I a straight mix verses, my opponent, weaknesses And how can I make the fight Go in a way that I'm taking my opponent outside of his comfort zone, where we often people are good at studying their opponents, but they are not good at looking at them, south america and knowing what they should do in order to maximize.

Is there the their odds of success right. that's why I always thought for me it was important to not be the best at one thing, but be very good at it You think, that's. Why always seek advice advices from the best in every discipline. I guy wrestle with the best wrestler? I could be with I box with the best boxers. I aim breaks parity with the best guerrilla fighters same thing in jujitsu, I trained jujitsu with abreast best jujitsu guys. However, when I makes everything mix martial arts if I've, if I'm because I'm very

competent in every areas, so when I'm fighting fighting someone a very good at and that the identifying were ease, the less competent- and I know for a fact that, because I'm competent everywhere again, if I can bring the fighting worries outside of his comfort zone, it increase my odds of winning. There is no certainty, it's all about. I believe, because there there is always expected. I do not control. He has asked me to see you actually cause you. It's been a student movement you ve been exploring. cause I mean gymnastics all those kind of stuff there there's something reminiscent to arm economy, draggers, one other marshall artists, this kind of explored movement, the scholar movement at least my perspective is very- so brutally like it's almost making a study of the human body and all the possible things you can do

Is there philosophy behind? At the of you? Talk about grossly man ass se, it changes my my life too. He was ahead of his time, credible, alot of people talk to me and asked me ays bruce. You would have been able to fighting you see I I don't think so. I don't know. I think he was a you know he was martial arts, as you could have defend himself, but to say that he could have compete in amongst the elite it of the elite fighter? perhaps in his time, but if for sure, if you put him in u of c right now, you know the sport as him and prove an incredibly sends them, but in terms of philosophy, Yeah rosy was amazing, like one thing they eat just to prove that he was ahead of his time. He was talking about you,

senior longest weapon against your opponent nearest point, and we see that that that chick that damn it it it got popular purple arise by John jones. You know they're dead, the psychic to the tight longest weapon against your nearest point. Boxing is their job dynamic may when he can use. If all your weapon, that's the kicked, the tie, and now there is, I felt there is a kind of three dimension and martial are there? Is the philosopher like bros me? There is the correct choreography, the cocoa regret people like, for example, you see. In movies. That's done people their incredible, the order, one that does forms and courageously jumpy spin, back in my rheumatic stuff, mixer martial law. They are. unbelievable, and there is also the the one that come beaten in fighting the that's? What I do. I personally

Specialized more you off into the philosophy, I do elizabetta philosophy, but that's Consequently we are all I get. I guess we are all like. We all practices that red dimension, because martial arts is, I would say, it's what are you want it or not? You have to touch these three dimensional, but you will specialise in. When I specialize to my life and in fighting like the real thing in terms of fighting competition. And, of course, if you do, martial arts you'll be able to defend yourself, because it's a self defence However, you might be able to fight as an elite and the most prestigious organization You might be able to perform their stunt that, for example, their stuntman I've done in their their series. I was plain in the falcon and winter soldiery with their deeds. Guys are incredible there, like real life, superhero things they do it to me like it's. It's fascinating. It's amazing, add also bruce

the philosophy of how many hours the e g took like thinking about these stuff. You know I'm sure he did not just came out of out of nowhere. No, no, he was thinking it. I get that many slap on on this. He How many hours they just unbelievable these, like water, my friend, how do you like a meat houses he thought about water going to bed, for he said that? Let me ask a very important fundamental question by martial arts were both wearing a suit and tie your rogan things that working time is a huge disadvantage, is a clip on or as an actual tie. Are you actual buyer? so do you agree or disagree with Joe rogan that wearing a tie is a? Is a martial arts, significant disadvantage in terms of in a combat scenario in five. I think it would be a discipline disadvantage.

Yes a couple days I as a as a security bouncer in night clubs and evident when I was eighteen years old and some time at work. In certain areas that I was in sudan die, I never had to use my forced to take someone out when I wasn't super thigh, but if I would have had to before going to the table to physically take that out, I would have removed my and I would have removed my that's for sure, and I would have called back up for sure and I would have probably use the element of surprise to be first on the guy. Yes when you're in a bar same thing, you call back up first, at an end. Sure you as the way their wages before to clean the table, and when you go, you have to use the element of surprise. Because

I find and mix marcia in fighting in the street. It's two different thing and yes, I am, I a mixed, martial arts, competitor, that's why in all my life. But I had a lot of sweet fight in my life. I love when I was it was. The difference was like the my god. It's usually there is guys that if I would have a choice to fight like, for example, sort in guys, and you have seen a street fight and fight like other guys that are nothing you have see. I would maybe sometimes be guys that are nothing. You have seen necessarily cause it in in the in in their street fight. There is no referee that says: go is the element of surprise and when you're a nice guy you're, not the aggressor, you always have the element of surprise. That's what it's our interesting bs, because. If aggression, your second far enough away, I've come punch, you without warning. It needs to be needs to trigger a sum it something needs to be triggered by a war.

so. If someone comes because he's looking for trouble, there is signed that he's looking for trouble. So I was just talking with them and then this week about it- and I saw that every every martial arts comes from. Like some martial arts are from exclusive weak for competition is export, kara The that certain martian art but traditional marcia, martial arts are for the street are for self defence and I start my background and ensure cushion karate. So it's four and an eye, the japanese jujitsu, so my bike round before even start training for mixed martial arts. My bike runs in self defence and is very important to understand that in a street fight the element, surprises everything, and there are no rules. Tanglefoot eyes go for the. I saw it all ball game. You know what I mean job have to do that a bearded. They do so much more thing. Going on

so the idea, because you are you, have sea fight. Are you take your invincible? This is bs. Anybody can come. I give if a big guy punch very heart. Most people don't know how to punch by the way they don't know how to make a fuss ensure within a forwards direction. But if someone knows how to do it, I don't care who you are if you could be francis and general, someone come behind your head lying or whether there is an argument, then you get surprised by a french. You can be drawn up and news. fight that that doesn't matter. The element of surprise is ever they say, you're saying, remove all the sources of the almost a surprise order, the bar removed the tie, I disagree and yet, by the time I had edge, just for your information. If someone comes looking for trouble- and you see me do this. and going to say, was a mere that's my position that thinking I got

If something were happen- and I am about that's a good about doing the animal I'm about to punch you or do you do something to to to take care of the teacher flipped the table on you then wearing a tie? communicating the nice guy image, so it actually gives you the freedom for more elements of surprise. By weighing the type If you take it off, that's more. Your limiting your options is nobody's. Gonna expect the guy in the tide doing thing, I'm a big believer that some time it's not only materialism, it's what you project this light, they add troubles in a bar and I was able to deflect. The guy was looking for trouble. Talking to me, and I was able to deflect, is all

passivity by saying, like hey man, that's uninsured: where did you get it like saying like something as stupid like this? Then they it it kind of break, break them into money. You know, but that guy was looking for trouble. I don't want to fight you. I don't want to fight you, but am not going to wait until you pull you make the first move because the for the minute you you touch me, you push me or you touch me. You declare war and the war is unleashed. My friend and I'm am taking you out of order with the necessary force. Of course, in a way, that's the thing with martial art. If you used unnecessary force to take out a problem, you're, it's okay, but if you you know you you take advantage of it. That's when it's not alright, because it's a weapon. So if someone comes up to me, that's my position and now I am. I am assessing the situation. You know, that's that's how they teach in self defense. Here, never put your hands down

I was in there because I'm pound or bone I like what what this is. This is very important and you never you always your center line on their side. I am like this. If someone knows martial art, he will recognize that pattern. But if you go like, if someone talked to you and you go like this- that's mean you're telling. The guy that you want to fight, you don't want to do that. You don't want to do that. Is that that's you know, that's that's the position because you're an aura here, whatever can do your hair paw senior year tells a story say it's. I ever Why did that knows that, however, it some people might might think that it's my mom grabbed me by there and pulled me, because I didn't listen to her. You know a real fight in the screen and the fight in the in the mixed martial arts is a different ballgame. What do you think is the best martial art Are you for street fighting in our people often kind? I have this discussion jed soon, maybe boxing and be wrestling. Do you think,

We talk about a young person studying martial arts to prepare themselves for ram as a street fight. It's often much different. Then it makes much hard fight and I know there is a lot of bs and their well of of martial. I like self defense, though that night, but I believe self defence. It is very important in no way to understand the situation to understand those those situations that might accurate out to deal with it because net, not necessarily that dead, that we talk about the technicality we about the attack, the kiley, the the tactics you know like when I'm talking to you about the element of surprise is important. This is not technical technique as a paunch are the techniques that I physically were used to?

enable my my my my opponent, my my aggressor tactic. Is that tactic. I'm telling you about his in the street fight, if someone's looking for trouble- and I feel that eight rising as a covert station goes desert was ashamed and at the end I have to be first. I cannot let him go first. So after strike first or do something. This is the first thing that generally and I'll add two to to agree on and after that, of course, there is the the knowledge if you're a professional fighter, a gavi, a huge advantage. Once the fight is started, the war is declared. Now it's everything goes, but generally speaking, the person that will intervene, physics that will have the first blower the first. You know The first punch will ever use decided. You is advantageous like doing a hundred metre rays and having a head start and end that you d ye can prepare for with any marshall. Are you

and if I'm a smart guy, I know how to fight if a guy like a chef and heavyweight champion comes to me or like like it, I care you know. I know I know what to do this. I disabled him lennox boom are in here and then that neck you know like, and if you, If you blind in what way, is again a do? You know what I mean so so or a bottle? I you know what I mean so so. The element of surprise is its everything, so that's why it's always. Always good to be the nice guy and not looking for trouble, because, if you're not looking for trouble, you have they had started, the option of having an ad start, so we say, is being a nice guys. The is the best form of self defence nebula humor you know I have learned that I've learned I when I was a kid I was about maybe severs six six years old. We two to play in much montrose a lot of snow used to play. King of the mundane. That's the first that lesson that I have learned.

and I managed somehow it was a lot of kids- I managed to get on the top of the mundane and another guy came in come in on the top of the mundane and he he was angry that before hour, I was there before him, when you play king of them on the mundane, it was a month of snow, you don't strike, each other would just surpass owen and portion, and I managed to be first and when he came He says to me say: okay yeah you want, you want to fight, and I said yeah I didn't awaiting mean gay one. If I want to resolutely set, I say: yes, he punch me right than their face boom. And I and that I fall on on the bottom of the month in Britain, then I when I fall down, I really that vision and model, because it is it's, it's a rule. member that for the rest of my life, I'm about to stand up, and I The blood coming out of mine always said that the snow is red because my nose is bleeding. Now I read I remember the element of surprises

breathing. I first street fight. I lost it I did what I got it wrong at the bottom up, no want them, and I was. I get me because I was not expecting my hand. I was expecting a punch, so from there when I felt that did eat of an inch an argument or, as something was not right, always stroke. First, I didn't when all my fight, because something there were more than one guys on on me. You know, but I think it's important to not be the aggressor, so you have. The elements surprise and I always use than your favorite, so brilliant. let me go from the very practical to the the most in practically huge cuts. shit about the meaning of life. You said that the one great depths. Of unrelenting sorrow, punctuated by great peaks of join the liberation. The result is delicious

so are worrying. Is the meaning of this whole Joe neither on this life? What makes life delicious to me, you know. Satisfaction is the m for me: lay like life, how ways, if I'm satisfied- That's me, I have no nothing to live for, And- and I am not talking only about my carer- about appetite about my life. What I, what do you want in your life you want you want, gives my family, you want to be chanted. What do you want in your life? You have you ever like a long term goal short term goal. in mixed martial arts I achieve what I needed to achieve am satisfied.

No longer de saint Jacques snipy iodine when I was on begging for title shot on my knees, I move on faith from it. Now I had a chance to go into movies now that same insane that same insane drive that had to be. The children in the world- I put it into acting like I'm, having a lot of acting class now and luckily for me timing was amazing. I got I got cast that the falcon and winter soldier was that is on disney plus channel, so you judy project to be part of for me, because it's like you basketball, you have a chance to go for the nba right away. I was very lucky add the timing was just too perfect, and so you need to constantly

challenging yourself an having goes to achieve. You know like that. Keep your brain activated by keep working and the proof of that is it. You see some time some old people Like when they retire very often sometime, you see that they they got sick and they die or because they date they it's either because some time we think we would we certainly may you benefice would do something good for them by Making not work and giving them a break, so we normally when I all these gonna be able to relax, but in dar mine it's not good, because they're not busy. Nothing to live for, like might like my that is used to work all that time and he has always something to do? Is retired? Now I myself. Now call him by force to find him some job aid dedicate. Can you, in my house. Have this thing

We bear, I don't want to do it, so it gives them. It gives him a reason not to live out because he has other things to do, but but. What I mean is also in life. I think you're always don't be afraid to aim high, don't don't be afraid to fix your objective. Very high Never be able to reach, it be afraid, are reaching your girls. Essentially emmy always have to keep moving it out. You think there is a saying in question gives you ve been acting in some very exciting things, Do you think, there's a drama Role where it's a basically here, you go for robert deniro and taxi driver is, do you think they'll be a full length feature film, withdrew saint Pierre. like in there is level too I am aware that I have to restart as away bit white built and for some people could be discouraging, but for me man, it's great. I love it.

I have written love it. I embrace it because everybody told me like I would never be able to do with and its fine, but the and also the outcome of a failure in the sport of mixed martial art is much more serious than the outcome of a failure for a movie, for example, for for a if you zig, when you should zag in a fight you get knocked out to zig when you should zag in unset a cut will do it again, and I know that I will be most likely be choo Choo for action. Martial arts rose because that's my background. There is this new tramp in order when thou, when they want someone to play, I need to, the unguided going to choose. I really italian person when they want someone to The russian guy they gonna shoot. Someone was as a real russian background. Now they want a real martial arts fighter. I've done fighting all my life. I just need to improve my acting skill.

But when I train enacting, I get myself out of my comfort zone, I'm not playing a role of martial law gambling like romance committee drama. So when I go on seven playing. The role of a bad ass, martial art guy. It's it's easier so like in training for our fight. I always make my preparation harder than the actual task I would love to see were already seen the wrestler with a make york. Oh yeah, those types of fish I'd love to outlaw received. You do something like that if not now, then in ten twenty years I could see that thou be amazing. It it's their levels to the game, right, yes, its, gradual and at all, and I am aware that I don't wanna take something on my shoulder that I won't be able to deliver its like a fighter want to go for it, oh, shut right away could be, could very well break him,

no time, and I don't want to do that because I know I've done some gigs underpass, but I was not focusing on it because I was focusing on beating as a marshall, art, mush marshall, artisan competition in a member, but I think very seriously. So I cannot do the same mistake again because I've done some stuff I've done it for the money and it was good. It was fun to do to be built up by cycle vandams, stephen cigar and everything, but but my acting was not on point at that time. So if I ever every time I'm gonna come back, from now on on and on screen. You need to be sharp because you cannot mess it up if you mess it up, it's like a loss on your record you're not taken seriously. So so that's how I see it and It's very fun because I had the chance to talk to a lot of guys. Aren't of all declares that I'm having like. days ago. I was with that. I need

I always seek the advice of actors. When I, when I see some of them that, because I read out our they do, you know how they project their motion and ask him. Then you true, I said I said to him It is an amazing guy by the way very nice guy, and I ask him, ask him out I'll. Do you do to be because you scared the hell out of me? How do you do to be so scary like? What is your trick, and he tells me is like george. If you trip things, if your trip I'm one and you scream at him, I'm gonna get you were it's not as scary. If you're smiling in his air again a cure you like, and he says also to me that another advice he gave me his like when you say this think about you, killing him for real. That arguing,

im out you gonna, kill him. So the camera we'll take the emotion out. Don't try physically to do that. That's a mistake. I used to do before I used to physically shoreward at am strong and green and to be mean, so they decided just an example of tricks that I learned Sometimes, when I met an act, are always trying to learn from everybody that I met in my life is a difficult journey is then you have to go to some dark places. As a person could you really have to Imagine imagine some dark things I was fascinating. Actually, I think, a lot of the actors. They have sometimes problems because of that bigot, because now I understand why it's like, if you work on your bicep, your by itself will grow right, that's it because it it. It is their stress

you put on it that that will make the girl right. Emotions are, I believe, are the same way if you use to dig inside of you down deep to to do to make your negative emotion, depressive emotion comes out. If something bad in your life happen, you will fall into those emotion, much more rapid. see that someone who does not that every day you know what I mean, because it will dislike like a muscle memory like if you program yourself to react a certain way, you will reach that point. Very often So that's why something you see some some guys did we often blame it on drug, but I think it's also because of the acting there used to be saw how under hopped up and something they, did that down deep, so they they they they they're, they did the both extreme. You know you gotta, be psychologically tough and that's life. This is so exciting to see you challenge yourself in that direction. That's one thing that I might add a little bit afraid.

That happened to me, I I really hope I'll always be. You know, like a problem having a problem to control my emotion. B, o march extreme. I hope it does not happen to me and anna and if I feel that I'm going towards that, I'm going to you know give up of on on my new objective and find something else to to achieve a buying a person like you and be real with your emotions. You don't want to live. hey, you did you just like with biceps obeissance there too big. You are a real, but you are extreme in it, and that's that that's the that's when I think something that could happen to actors on them when they go too much into their emotion, langueduc about like something guys that that

then come it commits suicide. Perhaps you know, I don't know it's because I don't know there are reliable could be something that they get so much into their character. I didn't understand it that first because I'd never add acting class, but after a while. They have acting class now you start to realise that yankee understand why some act or get caught up in their emotion, because that can avenant on their life right you're, on a fascinating journey, george, I can't tell you how much amused neither you be so nice to me that you give me so much respect, just that. That tells every I need to know about you, the human being with everything you have accomplished the waste, your time and you're so nice to me just as a whole you are being men have so much respect So honoured and the energy gimme by justly was showing up here I'll care that forward for a long time,

while george, I love it. Thank you so much for talking to that now. Thank you lex for having me on there sure you know. I've been looking to talk to you for a long time for me to talking to like you. It's it's a great learning experts, because I always learn and its life is fastened, adding to me and all the rest, there we have and lives. You know it's it's something they can make us growin. This express permission. You don't make me grow as as well, you know, plus you look pretty damn sharp today is bad lack of minimum reserves Hacker lies thanks for this. to this conversation with your saint Pierre, a thank you to all form, expressly paean blink ist. There, a gun and the information check them out in the description disappear. With the spot gas and now let me leave you with the words for me, a motto masai think lightly. Of yourself and deeply of the world

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