The. hello. Everyone watching in listening today discussing something truly explosive. I would say with calmness writer miranda divine we're talking about her twenty twenty one book, which should be old news by now, but hasn't been well covered enough to be that laptop from Hell hunter Biden, big tech and the dirty secrets. The president tried to hide we delve into what hunter Biden inadvertent Lee unconsciously or purposefully, revealed about his family's business dealings. How they build maintain the regime, the surreal but comprehensive cover up by the so called deep state in

forest and willing collusion with the legacy and social media companies and the aftermath here? We're not done without yet not just for those direct involves, not just american citizens, but for innocent people across the world find themselves in the midst of political, psychological and physical warfare. It's quite episode, I thought maybe we'd open up with actually. The story of the laptop itself, because- and we might want to what might as well walk through this in chronological order and so hunter brought three laptops. I understand it into this laptop shop. Do you want to pick the story up there it will wander right through to the point where the new york post is publishing it and then it's the story isn't covered. We we can set the stage for everyone just so they remember exactly what's going on. So do you want to walk us through that story still, and so it's a twenty nineteen and like star at nice, a hunter,

right and goes into do John Paul, mac isaacs little. My computer His shop in Wilmington and hunters painted a cigar shop nearby. He smells of booze and initially jumper my cause. I didn't recognize him. He just felt a bit of irritation that someone It's coming in with three water logged lack laptops, brought on closing time and he bought them in and prickly pretty quickly ascertained. He couldn't immediately fix any of them and they a hundred signed, a work order and gave you contact details and went away and the next day or to jump on my eyes. Act is looking at three laptops. His figured out in one of them. He can just give him a new keyboard, separate keyboard in that work

he figured out fattening with another one of them and the third one he decided he would have to upload the contents onto his big server and then you know give the contents to a hunter it hard drive, he called hunter and he said: can you come in and bringing be told him, particularly what the hard drive was he wanted and sure enough? The next day hunter brings the hard drive that he'd asked him to bring and jump on the mac, as it gives him the other two laptops one is the ride off one he's, given him a keyboard with it and and ah and then hunter goes away and jumped mecca that continues to it's very slow process. He said to applaud all this information, because the the battery to catch on running out on the laptop. So he had to keep one

charging and then re stars and every time he restarted, he would have to look at the material to say where he was up to, and that was why he sort of had such a kind of intimate the standing. What was on the laptop and I'm gonna work initially struck. Him was just the way so much porn on the laptop. So I mean it's homemade porn, it's it's hunter, the filming himself having sex with various women filming himself naked and so on, but jumper mac isaac also noticed you know them a lot of business documents invoices and a company called bereavement which popped up a loss So he completed his work and he called hunted come pick up his laptop and got no response was texting him and emailing him, and he It hundred to pick up his property and to also pay is eighty five dollar bill and and

that didn't happen and saw ninety days later, as per the work order, the property became his he owned it. Now, die. He just put it on a shelf, it didn't think about it any more and then this illegitimate April when he nineteen an hundred dropped off his laptop just about a week before his father announced that he would be a candidate for present and he hunter at the time was in a rage against his family absolutely furious with them at the end of his tether. He felt that jars staff that he'd amassed in here campaign, which is respecting human, his father, was allowing them to disrespect him, and I you know there were

stories being brief to friendly media that hungary is a basket case he's a drug at it, you know he's just a burden. His father has to put up with it as far as hundred with concerned had dear they im like this and and shame him when He felt that he'd and supported the entire family the extended family for for decades, and he he tat given half his money to pop, as he raged to his daughter, wonder He said, unlike pop, I would expect you to give me half your salary, so that's the context that hunter dropped, of the laptop and never returned to pick it up. Despite all the incriminating evidence on it incriminating of his father as much of him

so. So what are we? What are we supposed to make of that, like I'm trying to understand this? So first of all, I am thinking about it. The way I would think about it if I heard this story from a client. So the first thing, I wonder, is and the timing is suspect like why would you drop off those laptops a week before your father announces his run for president? It seems it seems odd to call it careless as to barely scrape the surface. especially when you know perfectly well. What's on those laptops, not only this treasure trove of homemade pornography, which is like a highly questionable enterprise in and of itself, you have to exactly what motivates someone to continually film himself engaging in sexual activity with with all the various hookers that he was consorting with strippers and so forth, there's a narcissism about that. That's quite remarkable, but also there's are theirs. Have vindictive careless

that's about it. That's also market, because it's not one laptop its three and three as a lot and their rife with information? That's devastating personally right mean you wouldn't think you'd be sharing your homemade pornography with the world, and and also there's this immense, of detail about all of these business enterprises that have been accumulating for decades. what is even observers. Of that no is, is is he that addled that he wouldn't even notice that this was foolish or is there? Is there a desire to be caught his that certainly a possibility? or is there a revenge against his whole family, including his father? I mean I I I know how to make heads or tails of this because it so utterly preposterous. It's not surprising. some ways, I suppose, that one of the reactor

of the broader media was to assume that this couldn't possibly be real, because when you read it I mean I'm still recovering from reading your book, and I won delve into that is deeply as possible to establish, let's say its credibility, but I really am taken aback by The material that that you reported in laptop from hell I don't know what to make of it. I was thinking about what it would do in jos position in so far as I am able to do that. So now I have a son and he's, I'm speaking, as Joe here I have a son and he's he's the juvenile delinquent. Let's say accept, he's not juvenile he's fifty and so he's thirty years passed their due Date on juvenile delinquency and he's racking up affair, fairly high finance. bill on the hooker and cocaine front and pay I was in las vegas he's acting like the.

Evil son of a hollywood villain in every possible way. What am I supposed to do with him and the first thing I would think if I had any sense, is or how about I put him in a situation where he has more money than god, because that's ass thing. You want to do with someone who's addicted, let's say especially as something like coke because an unlimited supply of money means and unlimited supply of drugs, then you might think law most. President and most it is behaving in a way that, while doesn't exactly shadow positively on the family, but also is dangerous in sorts of ways, Maybe I shouldn't be taken them my business trips. There is a plan I shouldn't, be introducing him to world leaders all over the all over the planet. Specially in russia and china and ukraine for action, born in any number of other crop countries that we might mention Maybe I should have him.

For his own good supervised, you know, and for the country's good so that he strings himself out, doesn't give a tremendous amount of trouble instead of enabling em at every turn and. And then what and then what tangled up in ukraine. In a way that morally hazardous, to say the least. I look at the situation in ukraine. I read your book. I looked at the hunter burdens, dealings with various, I think well,. is there a five percent overlap between the Biden, financial interests and the fact that we're in a bloody war or a one per and overlap, because the right amount of overlap is absolutely zero. When we're talking, about war with russia, so You went through this. You ve been living it for a long time like what position did you start with when you started assessing the laptop material and what happened to you,

the way we're looking at things as you walk through it yeah. Look, I I came to discuss dish. I guess because our opening up the laptop there's just I much sorted material there. I ended feeling sorry for hunter feeling Aisha sure contempt for Joe Biden? and also feeling that joy by is a really bad person He said what kind of a loving father put fuse addicted fun in front of his tar or an of unaccountable cash and that's what he did it wasn't that he was just enabling hunter hunter was an integral part of the family influence peddling business hunter was the man. You know the video way you can see taken quite some time guy and his quite young and he every job that hunter had every.

You know the university position we had was due to his father. He didn't have the marks to get into yale law, school and so favors were done, and he his first job out of college, was at a wildly inflated salary For one of joys, diagnosing, delaware and from the salary he complained that he had to pay, not just his college phase off, but also his brothers and that was the way joy work in our he paused is the poorest manner in congress. while leaving a champagne lifestyle, wild not really having any bills to pay the usual bills that normal middle class families worry about, like you know, helping if children get through get to the unite the best college, they can somehow the bills are getting them to private schools. getting there grandkids interest into the same thing, I

Internships, judge, ships fellowships. Cushy government jobs. You name it all Things were there for the taking for joy is extended family and an you know. I know that abiden spent his entire life building. This mythology, you around himself that he's a good family man and about catholic modest jaw working. ass, joy, lunch pale joy. And it's all a lie. Family part, I think, is intriguing because Joe Biden has always had a Fascination or a desire to be like the kennedy, clan and thorough he's concern did a life in a family sort of image, that's very similar. To that end, there was a

fascinating interview that he did with kitty Kelly when he was just John nearly in in the the newly widowed an and he was very cocky and We talk about em. He sees that he dressed like great gatsby gets me, ask very well dressed and He would talk about himself as You know, having had the greatest wife than any man could have had and are they flock was just brilliant, no man's. If experience that end, not not in a sort of a maudlin way, but in a boastful way and and just talking about him self, in a way that you know like he said, rob Kennedy? The Kennedy andrea keeps on inviting him over for dinner, but he's busy and you know, serve boasting that the kennedys are his friends and and that their throats. Themselves at him, but you know he he sort of fobs them off

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dot com such jordan for three extra months, free, express gps, dot, com, slash Jordan, I don't even know if he really understands what he's doing, but it's it's a pathology and- and so I think to myself someone like hunter europe, little motherless boy, A bit. A d h, d, hyperactive, very smart and he has this father, whose mercurial, and not they very often and had huge job that obviously more important and the entire family revolves around join. It always has his mother put jobs on a pedestal, and all the siblings rolls were too serve joy and and Joe is an adult. That's the way his own family behaves and then there's the stigma, Joe Biden, who comes in when hunters around about I saw nine who doesn't

hunter anyway feels doesn't like him. She loved the ball is older brother by one year, but she doesn't issue to fuels that she does doesn't like him, and so that's it. huge burden, and, if father that lies all the time, I'm sure bright promises all the time. Is very destabilizing end and you know I'd another example of joys, cynical, vacation of his family is that he had just been I want an election to be said that need to be finished a right. This was the biggest thing in his life and his family life. He was twenty nine years old. He was thirty by the time. he was sworn in the youngest senator and his wife, the eyes in a car crash, tragically adjusted, days before christmas, while he's way in washington and and

hey baby daughter, is also killed and hundreds his brother bow like two and three years old and they very badly injured and that this is not just a devastating blow. If it, this young finish your election, and so he he ends up being sworn in at the hospital bed of his children, and so he invites all do you know the world's photographers into this hospital- were many sets up a podium there in his voice and all the photographs showing the foreground. These one little motherless boys bandaged hunter the brain injury, he's brought the bow, has broken leg. And they're just listlessly lying in bed while in the background their father is being sworn in, and I just you know, that's that photographed

The heart of everybody I mean you would have to be completely heartless, not to feel great sympathy for this poor widower and his Little boys right, but you also might be wondering why that follow up is stage that way if you were particularly cynical and curious exactly that that's what I came to think afterwards. How cynical was of him to do that and he's use that photograph in every campaign since and and it takes on a new very soon delight, I think. Well, ok, shop, I want to go to directions. I want to return to the laptop. I want to talk about mac isaac and his attempts to bring the laptop to the attention of the fbi any eventual press response, but before we do that, I want to talk about galva little bit.

into hunter and his business acumen. So you know, I've had a lot more economic opportunities put in front of me in the last four or five years, and that makes interacting with my family. It allows us a lot more opportunities, but it's also complex, because once you have a lot of our party If he's personally, it's hard to know exactly how many opportunities to offer your family members- let's say your children, because you want to offer them opportunity, but you want them to stand up on their own two feet and to do things for themselves, and so, when I was reading your book, I was thinking. Okay, well, Joe, is in a position to offer hunter opportunities, and we'll do that for their children and as your opportunities multiply, it gets harder to drugs. The lines, but you don't want to Your kids in a position where their opportunities, their capabilities, and so what I kept wondering when I

reading. The bark was well hunters being put in front of all these international leaders. Let's say and business people If you are going to make a case for hunters, business, acumen and ability Would you do that because it looked to me like that opportunities were not proportionate to the ability? I couldn't tell what it was that hunter had to offer apart from access to his father, and if you are trying defend him. You know indeed faith. He has a legal degree has legal degree from yale he's he's intelligent by your own admission. That's like wise. the story that hunter is running his business affairs as an independent individual. Why isn't that an acceptable story? If it's not and look I mean, I think, that The business really wasn't a business, I mean they didn't have a product. They wipe manufacturing. Anything from the business was influence. It was. It was contact with his father. It was

I you know who I am at one point: his uncle and Jim Joe Biden younger brother decided that they were going to go into the business of selling gas to from louisiana from monkey island to the chinese inside. There was something it's old, it's also a business deals than there were always other people. Hunters, business partners who took care of the sort of pesky details like setting up a business. and during the due diligence for it, and so on. That was something tiny bubble. Sky was brought in to try and legitimize what they were doing, but that the fact is that hunter was not interested in business. He found. Incredibly boring what he had always wanted to be was or all right and look. mean he's now boys. Written his memoirs and unease

also during paintings, and I know that the rift in itself that the way the white house is handled that has been appalling and the art? Well, these nine forward money laundering and so on. So I'm it's not the wisest choice, but still I mean, might deserve good artist and she looked at hunters. she said it's good there is something there I mean you know her and he's the reason I feel sorry for him is. I think that this is someone who has been actually crushed, and you know it by his father would not really crush but what sort of manipulated by his father- and I guess it's to his credit- that he he hasn't been crushed. I mean it's his freedom. It is expressed it if any sort malevolent way that he's cheapest, so destructive

everybody around him at an into his addictions and his utter selfishness. But but you know this is someone is father, just treated him as a spare, as as you know the bad man just for utility, because when all the sun bow was the golden child to all, I was being treated as an object, even in a way is sort of the apple of his father's. I, who is going to continue that the sort of dynasty dynastic ambitions of Joe Biden and become president after the joy, sir kay, so you play into something fairly specific there. You know, because I said well You know how do you, if you're, trying to for your children opportunities, how do you justify that in one of the things you alluded to was, while you look for where there- and genuinely lie and try to ally the opportunities with those talents, and you pointed out that hunt

can write and maybe he's got some artistic ability. I've looked at his paintings and they can be a lot worse than they are like? I see some talent, they are the prices that are being Furthermore, while worlds, a very strange place. So we won't say too much about that, but there are the prices, certainly a hell of a lot higher than ninety. Nine percent of artists would ever received for doing anything, no matter how spectacular in the course of their entire lifetime. So, but but you point out that, as far as you can t, on the business front, which is what we are speaking about. There is actually no business there, and so I my children involved in my business affairs. My daughter is running this new enterprise that we hoped into an online university in my son, runs a software company, but they ve done the bulk of the work on both of those projects and their actual projects. They have an actual there's actual well there's an actual product there we have actual customers. We right there.

Sure businesses and I dont feel that I've smooth the road for them in an appropriate way because all of these opportunities, been sitting there languishing if they wouldn't have to the ball in and seriously run with it? And so what you want to do. As you have opportunities at hand for your kids. Is you try to figure out a situation where, if they work hard and appropriately, then they're going to benefit and hopefully bring benefit other people at the same time, and then there's who cost in that one in I'm I was reading your book. I was trying to give hunter the benefit of the doubt, partly for the reasons that you describe, you know he's had Whole families had their fair share of tragedies, and you have to write that in the story, but for the life of me I couldn't figure out what the world he caught could have, possibly these being selling except for

alliance with the family name and Joe should have regarded. That is an extreme moral hazard and we should all regard that at the moment, as I said earlier, as a bloody extreme moral hazard, given that we are at war with russia for all intents and purposes, and so this just isn't soft you own. You said you feel sorry for hunter and I can understand that too, and I think the fact we as capitalized on that sympathy, but by the same tone at some point you cross the line from victim to perpetrator and It seems to me you know. Maybe this is just by june mental self, but his behaviour on the sexual front. In particular,. like veers into perpetrator rather than victim. Now you go out of your way in your book to point out that there is absolutely no evidence as far as you can tell that he veered into say under age, sexual activity, and so that's a very important thing to point out, but the what he's doing with his the and his strippers and his homemade porn is hardly wholesome. Family friendly

fair and that in itself, apart from the business dealings might have enough, so that an intelligent father who was also simultaneously president, would put some damn series walls between him and his son, and maybe also around his son, and that clearly failed to happen. So at best we have a situation where the fire is enabling, and at worst we situation where he's where what his he's better? getting from the position that he put his son in in the same way, perhaps thirty benefited, but by having those photographs taken when he was when he was friend for senate. Damn ugly story right. Those are vicious, those ravishes accusations, and so it their rough things to levy but I said going through your book? Why should people if you like, why shouldn't they just think while hears you know miranda divine mock, raking, journalist and she's, taking this laptop and doing everything she possibly candid, you know,

two portrayed in the worst possible light too for her own self gradgrind iceman journalists we do that. So why do? Why should be listening and watching guard you as a credible figure. Do you think? Well, I guess It's not me! It's it's the evidence, that's that's! What the book is just laying out and try, and it is still an order. This a lap top am- and you know every every part of it is straight from the laptop. I haven't, invented anything and I verified children are used by talking to various of hunter vitamins, associates and former partners who whose names are on the laptop you with they feed into into miles and were part of businesses in their names, documents:

is there anyway, I can name is tiny bob linsky, who was hunters and business partner in the final sort of chinese steel, with sea of sea and he is tiny bubbling scale. Have the contents of his three devices that here also handed over to the fbi just before the twenty twond election and that overlaps with them corroborates that chinese section of the of the law At the top, and- and I mean recently Devon, archer has a come come out of the shadows. He digs another of hunted by a conscience some form of business patents, but also hunter called in his best friend in business and, in fact, given his wholesome person didn't didn't, share any of hunters, some hunters, vices

and he was doing the lion's share of setting up businesses and organizing things. Will the hunter had to do with flying to some town and die, and you don't get into a certain stop smoking cracks backup. now. Isn't just go and meet these Chinese or whoever and saw given archer also has testified before this congressional I'm committee and there I find a lot of the material that I've written about and I think just as time has gone on its now almost three years, and there is nothing in the book that hasn't been. You know, verified iver, Northrop grumman at the door and proven no one, has proven anything wrong and the laptop, even though hundred and still being coy about you know if it's out, maybe it's my laptop or you know. Maybe it's not my laptop

maybe it's russian disinformation However, he is he's got his lawyers suing I'm people for breach of privacy jumper on mac, for breach of private. For exposing his material when she admitted use materials. Are it's a confusing sort of position to tag locked? Ok? well well and you're, still standing in you're, not like turned up in court for defamation and centre, and it has been quite a while, since you published a book, let's go back to mac isaac, firm, Let us continue the laptop store. Ok now in you, You said that and you and you just eleven We know that now because we know one of the things people might be wondering is well what the hell is. This laptop shop owner go combing through this hard drive for to begin with. That's really not his business, but you accounted for that. You said that that was partly a fluke on the technical side that

ass. He had to keep rebuilding the laptop and monitoring the upload he was. He was confronted with the material and then that started to make them nervous. Now you detail this in your book that mac Isaac actually got extremely nervous once he realized what was on the laptop and he went to the f b. I is that correct that is ever got that right and then the f b I did pick up the lab. and so let's late, laid out, let's laid out to the point where the contents of the laptop start to be made- public by the new york posts, because the next absolutely hideous and despicable sequence of events it occurs is that the new york posts breaks, the story essentially and then the powers that be shouted down in all sorts of ways right. Facebook does twitter, does but even more stunningly you have dozens of the bible is of all wisdom, inspiration in spiritual, nourishment, the hollow

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attributing the contents of the laptop to russian just information, and this is just prior to the election. Ok, so let's go back to manage isaac he's look into this laptop. starting to short out. He just runs this little shop and a bomb is in dropped into his lap. He goes to the fbi, that's correct What does the f b I do and then how does the story break giuliani gets involved? How does the story break? Firstly, what happens is that in the background here you have the impeachment it did, the prelude to the impeachment donald trump trump trumps, trump's made a all with the ukrainian president. The length of the new kind imprisonment and ensuring that public phone call- and he says can you do me a favor and and investigate? What's been going on with Joe Biden and hunted Biden embarrassment, basically, and because of this event,

about, I mean it was variant unseemly at the time the new york times the wall street journal that those sort of mainstream open position. is, bt organizations that are now trying to lane of, and these problems were actually reporting that it was pretty untoward that Joe Biden son was. You know on the board of this corrupt ukrainian energy company in what they didn't know was that he was making a million dollars a year so that this was sort of the past in the background The word charisma came up and jump mac isaac. You said it was the trump supporter, no crime in that any. He was a alert to day. The sort of details of this looming impeachment and he remain but the name bereaved is mostly went back any scowled through the laptop any fat and all these doctors. that was really what made him scared, because he's in

not all aware. The way explains it is the the own one, delaware. He was afraid that something would happen to him, so he he in fact he made several copies. He put one in an envelope and send it to a friend and said: don't I've been this audio If something happens to me, that was how frightened he wasn't. He contacted the f b. I bet you did it, you are secured, is routed through his father and uncle or something I'm in new mexico, and they got rebuffed and real quiet rudely and, and he made a couple of efforts and and nothing nothing happens from syrup the timber and in november of twenty nine, Can he finally get a phone call and he's asked about this laptop and in december, two thousand and nine to fbi agents turn up

doorstep question he and he tells them he's, got up very forensic mind sir he's really had figured out daily. What he felt with the most problematic things on a laptop and what he thought were crimes so, he laid it all out for them and and then he was frightened because he said it's one of the f b. I agents left he said Could he was worried about his own safety and use it? What what will I do and one of the fbi agents he claims said to him well, in our experience, nothing happens to people who join talk. You know you don't open your mouth, so he told that when he told that I thought. Well, you guys. understand you being paranoid it that sounds very far fetched, but as the solar cover up and if, by involving in it, has come to lie. I look back on that common fashion and take on baby. He wasn't solid base so

So you might wonder how did he have to gain more? Exactly I mean body was what he was. What he said to the fbi when he was fighting was he felt this was exculpate? laurie information for donald trump to use in the upcoming impeachment, and he wanted the f b. I should know that he's a very you're. His father was in there in the military is uncle was in the military, he's a very law and order sort of guy, and he really had faith that the f b. I would do the right thing. That's why he was so desperate for them to take it, and he thought what I've gotten out of my conscience are now pretty didn't and know, one will come and trying to kill me for this, which is what he was worried about em, but then the month, cheeked fight and nothing happened. the impeachment was going on and he just thought. This is ridiculous. You know, It is not our noise, though. He tried to contact on various republicans. try, Jim Jordan and Alan

the gray I mean you know, think faction in emails and phone calls, and no one ever got back to him, and he's already giuliani within president. we on television and talking about where, in ukraine and thought, he tried him as a kind of a last ditch effort. He sent an email and and lo and behold Julie, armies, lower era, a guy called bob Castelo who served with him at the southern district of new york very button the very sharp lawyer was intersecting, greedy smile at that time. I don't know why security reasons or something, and he thought this letter- and it was the jury or email was very well written, a malware data, a very precise, any thought. Well, this guy might be something you cold as the time that he seemed on the up and up and got him to fix a copy of the hard drive.

to his finding long island end and then, when he opened it up, he just saw evident tat. He was a bug. Costs dollar was the deputy head of the criminal division of the southern district of new york. So he knows the crimes when he sees them, and he said he saw a lot of crimes on these laptops site. Those rudy and dutch david This is sort of all this late august of twenty twenty and the day then spend the next six weeks or so during their due diligence and is trying to figure out if it's in our legitimate, if it's real, if it sullen and they satisfy themselves about top, where they felt they could handed to the media without looking like like fools, and they brought stave bannon in the last minute to help with some of the chinese names, because staves got a lot of connections there

but still burning did not get a copy of the hard drive. They did not give him one, though very close with, and that information and then stave bennett started, suited, alluding to obey and in the media and hid it in and he started you know, I'm rudy did as well trying to get various media to pay attention to it, gay, so one one side venture here and then back to story breaking in the new your post, so trump is in hold over the calls at this point. For russia collusion, and when is it? That Biden is contact with the ukrainian authorities to get the prosecutor who's going after bring my fired said that, with in december of twenty two fifteen m p first

I have tried the one billion dollar in: u s, side to the firing a victor shaken, and he did that very much his own bat. I mean it was: u s, policy state common policy to to clean up corruption in the prosecutor general office victor's. Shoulder can and had been brought in just about a year before ashley lesson he before he'd been brought in in February two thousand and fifteen, as a kind of a clean skin by Portugal Who was the american bat president of ukraine to claim things up? They ve been a huge scandal with his predecessor d drop me to go back into into the data What do you want to just there

There's a loose- and here again for me in and that is well trump- is being accused of of collaborating in appropriately with members of a country russia in this case, but we also have at the same time, Biden whose made reference to this on the world stage. Getting a process you'd fired. My understanding is that that prosecutor was going after bereavement and if I got that right okay, I m and it's the same charisma that hunter is involved in and its paying of a million dollars a year, yeah so the reason that was owned by a guy called slick jiffy, who was an in a minute gag? They call it. in there, and it was but but behind fletcher risky was the odious oligarchy, I'll call, eagle, column, whiskey It would have people's eyeballs gouged out, but he was

and let your escape being a minister in the previous yanukovych government, which had been sort of russia. Aligned and the bidding considered him out, and I mean I Don'T- I don't think it- controversial or incorrect to say that the cia was involved in the coup, your hammer, there were involved they not just or whether there are more involved who noise, they certainly were involved, and- and so I get it which was thrown out and he stood a corrupt as the main ukraine's the most corrupt countries. when it was corrupt countries in the world. An end to all the ministers fled from that gun, and taking billions of dollars ukrainian people's money, except for one, called legalised like asking, you are owned by charisma, while he did full to rush your initially and then to dubai. He was allowed to keep his business use,

and gas business charisma and continue to make money from it, which, I think is a curious point. everybody every other person involved with that yanukovych government was forced out and had to flee, but is like asking. Why wasn't a lamp again? The country could contain to earn money and, in fact, could push american it's like hundred widened and you endeavour not drawn to the board of his company to try and legitimize it and and keep the american swedish and to put pressure on ukrainian authorities not to investigate, hidden and- and you know, victor shaken, and was brought been. As I said after a scandal and the scandal was that his predecessor, he ran the prosecutor general's office a guy called you re mad, presided over the collapse of a case that have been brought by the british serious fraud, squatting

injunction with the fbi against legit sky. Frozen twenty four million dollars of his sledge excuse money in a london bank account- and this was a very important case- the serious broad support, because it was the show peace at that. did you know the government was posting about the head of the serious fraud squad had a whole conference about and that they were going to claw back the ill gotten gains to the ukrainian oligarchs that had been banned, from that country, because there were lined with russia that it was a really important case and a bribe was paid to the prosecutor, general's office, people and prosecuted general's office and an the case collapsed, and the money, a british judges on free prize, that

honey. It's just you could take it back and saw. This was a hugely embarrassing to the. U s embassy, which really was running things in ukraine and that they were being pressured to the ambassador. Jeffrey pirate was getting a lot of gray from the british you're, completely figure it's about the fact that you are. They have blamed the americans for this happening. While I didn't, you have control over this corrupt prosecutor, general's office and polishing course, president was under pressure as well thought. He brought a nice guy, reluctantly, victor shaken, who was sort of that employ a kind of a city, the star? He was a very popular He was always a line. Prosecutor had never would you be a boss and, and he had been responsible from there- high profile convictions- and I you know we use. A flamboyant in the way, for instance, one time he bastardy corrupt policy

and he went into the raw utter the part, the ukrainian parliament, and he played vineyards two tool of parliamentarians? Of these guys this time. The video of this politician accepting a bribe are asking for a broad getting one end, and you know that was a major story and he'd also arrested the killers of this sign of this journalists you'd been beheaded in his body, trust up and left in a forest, and that was seen as that You know he had been known, riding store that were damaging to the press. This regime and various oligarchy here. He also busted that story in that case, and arrest those people any will still pursuing the people behind the powerful people behind them, failed canada without fear or favour prosecutor he'd already some one is attempt when a sniper

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security and there is evidence that he has given me to show that he was a very successful prosecution, ass prosecutor, general date, every here is a lot of bureaucracy there and a lot imposed by the americans and europeans on the prosecutor. Generals officer. There was a lot of reporting going on in his shining reports, where his approach you know he had three times as many prosecutions of corrupt people as either these two predecessor, sir you are there. Some evidence and have also seen kind of in the background where he lives and he doesn't seem to live lavishly and and stuff or I you know I I can't see, evidence it is corrupt and no one has ever brought forward any evidence that he's crop. So how did barton? How did Biden have him fired and why well and well shaken says that he was investigating for

like fifty in various more at the time, and there is evidence that, because in february of twenty six came about six weeks before He was removed, shaken issued a warrant for what seasoning, olives, let your property in kiev, and that was you know Look mansions three plots of land, a rolls royce silva phantom cough you know that was reported in the ukrainian meteor and but in other european media as well, and saw that established at that and no one has ever denied that, and so you know, that's evidence that what showed the same is true is that he was here and more than one guess, you'd several cases of foot off against the gypsies. what money laundering and corruption and and and so on- and I and so I you know death for I, but this from well. Why are these lies being told by joy by

by these allies also by people at the atlantic council people who I sort of affiliated with that that sort of with The atlantic council is that of the national front, so with nato, people and and the sort of russia hawks, and that abound in american academia. They all batch joy by and also there with them europeans as well. But again, I've interviewed you think I could change and being squeezed was day. You ambassador to ukraine. At that time he was quite it is welcoming in shopkins removal- and there was always an anonymous sources quoted by the washington post, new york times and and sullen Bloomberg arm and the financial times

all saying that the europeans, the eu, do wanted shock and gone cause. He was crops began to been ski when angel tonight, look I I knew the problems in the past, the generals office, and it all comes back to that bribed. That was paid. The this logistics keep serious form of court case in london, falling apart Everybody was up in arms about that, but that was not show can and should be in school. is, I didn't make any comment about short. Can because that wasn't those kind of details were up to the ukrainians and which is the proper way to behave If not only that I mean you know, I've found a european commission report from twenty december of two thousand and sixteen, and in fact it was about a week after Joe Biden traveled to ukraine december nine and gave that ultimatum to partnership for that you find shokhin or you don't get the billy

dollars in aid and the european commission report was the final report, ere it sort of investigation and riding cheap crane. I have to do various things, including I'm very importantly, to clean up corruption and in order to qualify for visa free travel, which was very important to d crane, and this report said yes, they've satisfied everything and in fact they can, they now can qualify for visa free travel and on the corruption front that done very well. They spent a programmes and actually identified shopkins office as having made strides, including setting up a new anti corruption office inside the prosecutor, general's office and stare shaken had just appointed someone to that and and and you know there are letters as well from and from the summer you know, august september, of two thousand and fifteen from

John carrying Victoria, new and john, carry within the six states detour. Anyone with a senior state upon the person I'm congratulating shall I can to picking shaken of seeing them saying and I get on your feet good work doing that's that's comprehensively dealt with. I would say: let's go back to the emergence of the laptop story in the new york posts. So why did the post decide to move ahead with the story? What did they, really report and what was the consequences well and sorrow. Unbeknownst to me I didn't really know anything I get a phone call from a or a text message from it was late on a friday night from Bob costello and I had been doing stories with rudy jolting. I just arrived in july. Twenty nine in america to do an eighteen month stint still cover the election

my former editor call. Alan in Australia was editor of the editor in chief of had been introduced in your purse. Cheap asked me to come and do this this eighteen months team don't be a lot of fun and arm of the first thing I did was befriend. giuliani, because when I lived in europe with my family in earlier times when it was a crime written You know I had a lot of admiration for, really Giuliani had done his mayor of new york cleaning it up, and I knew that he was close to donald trump. So I figured if I were to cover donald trump ingress at myself with ready July, which I did, and I just written a story about rudy who'd been the first person to talk to donald trump after you, ve gotten out of hospital

recovered from covered and really love that story. I guess I was top of mind. He'd been trying to shop this story around two other medium and he had no nobody. I think, and time it's running out and no end. He he felt that he wanted to to get this out in the media before trump had to to a debate against the first bet against Biden anyway. So Bob costello sends me this text and he says: look if there for photographs, from the laptop- and he says this is a really good story. Let's talk and sort next we had a long conversation about. You know that the email from jumper mecca attack. The crimes that were on the laptop and he talked me through it and I am convinced me that unease he's a very serious person and convince me that he'd dungeon due diligence on it enough to satisfy him that he was telling me

bill of goods, but obviously we would have to do our own due diligence, but it was enough to make me think this is pretty big and so I guess I texted my arusha on Saturday night in cologne and sending the photos and we had a conversation and and Then he just decided well, let's just put the entire. in a newspaper in on this, and it was over. Blazing report. I went down to delaware, I, you jump for isaac picked up the subpoena that the fbi I'd give him when they collected the laptop picked up the work order with anti violence signature on it. As you know, we contacted people who appeared on the laptop, I didn't. I wasn't doing this recording. This was my colleague image of morris and other people at in the paper were doing this and- and I look I there was

there was a translation in the newsroom. Let's put it that way about the store. I because, because stave baron had a bad reputation for being in the loose with the truth was involved, although he was much less involved in Rather, our competitors in the media claimed he's only was involved with anything. I was doing and truly giuliani reputation already had suffered somewhat, indeed already been Smee it as being sought within the un, in a russian influence. Rep victim of russian influence and and so you know, I'm ukraine and what sort of a dirty word I've been. Everyone was nervous about it, but you he's very great credit. My and I don't think any other japan, any other editor in america would have done this, but call Allen did it, and Haiti said nor unsatisfied

the great story and remember this is three weeks before the election year end. He pulled the writ cord and our first story was, you know, bite and secretly mouse on the front page and mainly was about a an email from a breeze more executives. Two hundred saying you know thanks very much reintroducing made to your father and I you know, did the peculiar behaviour of the Biden campaign to make raised our suspicions because it was like Ass I was saying, or are you know? Maybe there was a meeting its, not unease, official schedule. You know he makes a lot of people to the world. Opposed it such a node nominating ever. Could and there were all sorts of strange things, but strangest of all we sort of expected, obviously in the middle of a very Tough election campaign to get pushed back from that

I didn't from other media, but not from. I shall media immediately wit. We held the store until five. I am normally would go out at ten o clock the previous night, but online we held it to find an unworthy, three or four hours, it had been shut down and sentences by facebook and twitter and the first we knew of it was Facebook executive, who also happens to be very plugged into the Democrats, just tweeted, that facebook was now going cover basic that words but was basically bottle the reach of some of our story pending fact, checking right it's nice to have chatted. They still haven't done the fact checking as far as I can tell, because the first thing you would do which is what we did if you fact checking and she would guided the other people who, appeared on the emails that we were publishing and say: hey. Did you get this email and tiny bubbling

he was already at three wasn't hard to find. He was on the emails, I could have asked him, but they have never contacted him saw some factual, and then twitter followed suit. And who, who had twitter, do we know? Yes, so now we know I did no one. I wrote the book by the story of the cover up, I think, is bigger than the story of corruption, which is here in an age. All the washington story at twitter, we're embedded various fbi and city I ex operative. including in a very important role, with a guy called James baker, who was had the chief aware at the f b, I did. I say that and you have been parachuted eight months before the election into twitter, as the deputy chief loi, deputy council and He was involved, as we now know, from the twitter files in discussions that morning I'll talk before

twenty twenty of whether or not to basically shut down and our story and and through the excuse that twenty used was that we had violated there. Hacked materials the see and that's important what is bizarre to us, because nothing about the story was hacked, but now I understand that for weeks beforehand, the fbi it had been briefing a twitter and facebook or that we don't know as much about what they were telling facebook. But I assume it was the same thing. They ve been briefing twitter to look out in october, likely in october to look out for a hack and lake operation dump preparation of russian distant animation likely about hunted by showing do you think that was a consequence, them knowing what was on the laptop contents, because it had already been turned over to them by MC isaac. Partly that was they had had the laptops,

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Then they also would have had access to his eye messages with may now There wasn't a lot. We mostly spoke on the fine, but there were a couple of minutes, just enough, when I looked back to see that it was obvious that in your purse interested, was going to publish any one of them. I said: don't give it twenty one else right away, you don't move systems guy. He is, then you was coming. Well, you know you just skipped over something, you know about five minutes ago saying you know well well by the way, this is probably the biggest scandal ass, the hunter laptop hunter Biden laptop itself and such like. well yeah, I would say so, is the f b. I is conspiring with facebook and twitter to suppress the story about the president's son being in cahoots with ukraine or ukrainian energy company three weeks before the election yeah. I would say that's like that. Stat that makes watergate

like nothing like seriously part of the reason I think that this story hasn't got tracking, is that there is there so much explore of material and that that you can't even keep track of it is just one preposterous. Candle after another, and now the new york post got kicked off twitter entirely right. Wasn't that the case, I think I got kicked off twitter around this time, but you guys were gone from twitter right now note. The new york post is the oldest newspaper in the united states. If I got that right, very influential newspaper, but twitter shut you down completely, so let me add, throw something else in So, of course, I've been watching your country from outside, since I'm a canadian and marching trump play the stolen election, ah ah song for well since the election. They known I've thought a couple of things about that. I thought it was off brand for him to claim victimization, because trump is the guy who trumps round and says I always win, and in this case didn't win, and then I've talked to me

people who ve been analyzing the court cases where cod she's in the election has been alleged and trumpets come out on the losing side of the vast majority of those, and then I think well he's got the details wrong regards to the election, but he's got the mega narrative right and because I can't help- and this isn't I'm not speaking as a trumpet meyer here by the way, Be that as it may, one way or another. His notion that see my senses, if the bloody laptop story has been suppressed, the election wouldn't have gone the way it went because a pretty narrow margin, and this is a pretty vicious story, and so the fact that the fbi conspired with facebook and twitter to collapse this story- To limit its reach and then to attributed to russian decent a nation and then to have the security community come out now you do this in your book to theirs dozens of people.

am the security and intelligence community to come out and say: oh, this is definitely russian disinformation and one of the things you point out in your book is: they had absolutely no evidence whatsoever, be making our claim, and so all of a sudden, your story disappears in the new york posters off twitter and its three weeks before the election and it's a very narrow election, and it turns out that Biden wins psych. While the call that scandal is to say almost nothing, it's and it's no wonder that trump story that deal was stolen, resonates with his base, even if it's not stolen in the deed, a way that he describes. There is certainly something on legally rotten going up going at the highest possible levels of essentially fascist collusion, right government for the presidency, the white house itself- the fbi, the cia facebook and twitter or colluding to take down the new year post for reporting on the corruption of hunter bite. You kind to think that would be

on page story on on a place like the new york times, for example, if it was corrupt beyond comprehension, you're, not just right. But I also wonder you know since I've been in is to getting this story. I see you know that in the end, intelligence community, as saw embedded in social media year in facebook and twitter and ended manipulating behind the scenes and censoring it's not just the twitter files. It's this incredible court case called Missouri versus Biden where the charges that and judges actually did find that the button The erosion is appealing that but found that the binding in minutes the government was putting enormous pressure on If the social media company he says to me to be true their narrative, I mean whether it was on coiled on vaccines.

ukraine war means about Joe Biden in about anything the that was detrimental to the government was vibration and then the government holding over these social media companies they re. the republicans or into as well with that that ought to be followed through one actually that they would break them up and a new section. two thirty which which allows them to escape baby, what legal constraints tenor. will publish a like the new post has back. So that was the threat. Hanging over and occasional summer slips delve into that. First. Second, okay, now we have a situation where the president's office itself has been found In violation of the first amendment, direct violation, the first man is not some accidental violation. It's a programmatic, repeated violation of the first amendment and the journalists, let's say at the new york times or its cnn

that matter emerson. Nbc aren't smart enough to understand that a directive on. The first amendment actually well, let's say, threatens their livelihood. fires there actually acting as journalists, so how makes sense out of the the fbi, cia collusion with the white house. Why the hell? Would they do that and then what's going on? with the journalists like this is something that makes my jaw drop is like of all the things that you would think would light a fire underneath journalists who would be the assault by politicians. First amendment so like what the hell, why? Why is this happening things they saw on the journalism. Ah, my feeling is that if the social model companies are basically controlled by intelligence operatives. So too, must vague at the new york and in the washington post, the cycle prestige brands. bother with the new york poised, but here on time. But, for instance, is an

credibly, powerful entity. It dictates it's that it's the again the phone newsrooms across the world of work, did you know strangely or as a journalist and and in britain and in the new york times, It is incredibly influential and it's sort of all the news Did you printed within the new york times? You can take it to the bank that it has been the the you know. It's it's brand, And- I've just seen through the russia collusion. I'm stories always the I have done date, dives on a particularly the laptop story, That day peddled lies outright lies and and the washing put this just well. They do fact checking you know when you actually go back and look the shocking thing we spent a long time talking about that, but there is layer upon layer, So many lies, and it's not just lies its its documents disappear.

Internationally it's it's a it's an operation, it's not just journalists being sloppy all white and corrupt journalists This is a concerted operation, the likes of which you would get from. You know, spies, so either How exactly how it works, but a rule of thumb that someone told me, as the state department these days is about fifty percent say. I said Oh you know any eighty, nine is very small. You can tell who sing iron, who isn't in a night. They did this spies operators, diplomats, So why are they? Why are they so aligned? Why are they so aligned with the Biden administration like? I wouldn't think that, necessarily that, then actual allies of the secure. Slash intelligence community would necessarily be the left wing democrats like so so how do you? How do you account for that it's not really about. Then it's about well, I'm in partly it may, but but

you know: they're they're, all from the swamp and in washington, ninety percent of people from a Democrat, but I think it's something more I think this is why trump, what perceived as an existing, the threat, because, actually, when you look at his presidency just you know he didn't do anything. Did she didn't stop me? Was he didn't employ dangerous? He the economy was sticking along, does nothing outrageous. He did he really for all raise your age. He was a pretty conventional outcomes innovative, apart from he didn't I've and neo con world view they serve imperialist american worldview. you know it's not only You know a nine eleven, it was I mean I I regret myself. I felt for all of that and I was all rah Rah for Iraq, which I bitterly regret and and now I'm very cynical about the lies that

told and bought then, and I hear now I'm from the same people, and so I think that that that that trumped just didn't buying that whole project is america? Focuses more, the isolationist straight You know he would ask night, I want you pulling it. Why? Why are you peons paying for their own military. Why we are having to be the policemen of the world. Why can't we have a decent relationship with russia? I I've been doing. You know decades of sir, old woman challenge, which is neither gone away. You mean like he up, ended the liking up, ended the palestine narrative with regards to neighbour hammer courts. Exact rate at all for the good really all that was something s fresh thinking, the air and not, and so I think that is why he's an existential threat because of the irish people who were in the deepest stuff there near a con

state really live Jim, and you say that in the c I a letter by the fifty one former intelligence officials is very, very instructive. Do that was the limited that was written just a few days after her story came out and with suppressed, Annie designed. We know to help Joe Biden in the second debate against donald trump, in which, obviously, the laptop from Hell is going to I'm up, and we now know thanks to the oversight committee, now there because you are in control and that that letter was organised, by mike morel, who had been a former acting, see I director and was on a promise to be Biden c. I a direct so he had a sure sure when you, It was organised in what way? What does that mean exactly that letter? We also find. Is that an lincoln now the secretary of state

and a member of joy binds. Inner circle was working for Biden campaign find mike's morale a day or two? well, maybe the same day morales vague on it and that our story came out and and and slowly didn't, tell me to write the letter. But he would not have written the leisure if he hadn't had the phone call from actually blinking and eventually blinkin hadn't. Seventeen. The usa today story, which I have no doubt with seated by the intelligence community, which said that the top was russia is information and saw MIKE, well then said about calling getting fifty one for. Most of them see I people as some like James clap aarhus lied before congress, not not exactly an honest broker. He was also read folding, but they were five form I see I do. It does offer acting signal

the directive, we find that later. This was I heavy duty letter and what they said was welcome. The message sent was that the laptop and our story- if a will to rush into information right right, I'm write the letter and nature how to get out of now is very weak easily. They did. They used a language has all the ear marks, which is we're right, of a russian information operation. They used the weight of their previous high careers in the cia to Basically, the signs, zeal and deliver this letter and might rules it is in his emails to other people when he's trying to recruit them to sign the letter that he wants to get Thank you tell John Brennan, former cia director under Obama, who had a lot to do with the destabilization of you Maybe he tells John Brennan You know I want to give I'd Joe Biden a talking point at the door

as you know, a way to to love especially Iraq, for me is so preposterous about that show you know when that broke. I thought. Well, that's a lot of former intelligence officials, and you know which it's hard to imagine that they're all colluding, but, on the other hand, oh wow, one of these. They say it's the thought that counts, but they aren't shopping iq vc, because here it's much more than just a thought. It's a pleasant, deep dive into the inspiring ten stories and possibilities behind every product shared by real life. Hosts with expert demos on everything from food fashion to the core and more gifts won't be a dozen game, though began. Oh my gosh. This is so perfect for me shop, q, VC, dot com and use coda q vc twenty podcast for twenty dollars are forty dollars for new customers. This is shopping brought to life. I in the world with the russians be so thrilled with trump. I mean you had to buy that story right, yeah to believe the trump

somehow a natural ally of russia and Putin, and I mean I know that trump guard along with putin the same way he got along with the preposterous leader of north korea. But it certainly didn't seem to me that there was any evidence to suggest that tromp was the natural ally of russia, and so you, the by that to believe that the russians would be so interested in trump that they would go to all this work to produce this. You know complex form of unbelievably sophisticated disinformation in the form of a fake laptop from hunter dropped off in some no account place in delaware. Me none of them. makes any sense. Unless you know, would tribute like super spike. Ability to some genius on the russian front, which strikes me, as you know, somewhat preposterous and yet well all fifty one of these people find this document, and so everyone finds it without without looking at the black tat without asking taboo. get the hard drive. you and your retail any due diligence at midday

they had no evidence to save is none and they just state aid. In fact, admitted in the letter they say you know from our vast experience weave ass attained. You know this is exactly this as a whole year for them. information operation, so they ate, they abused their authority, they use the trust. The american people would have been that authority and- and you know it's extraordinary to me that bad? I apologized that that we have tried numerous times. I've tried up, you know you did I've seen emails. I find us all. Their bosses have called the think tank staff that the bosses of the think tanks that their line to everyone, we ve had other reporters. Do the same thing in this, just nothing from the beach just just stick to what one guy called David priests, who is a cia,

something or other he went on fox news and he said he's be that he did it in. I was the right thing to do by what's by one standard, but because trumpet so you that every every possible weapon- used against him is justifiable, no matter. What is that the rationale It's the subjects, but now he had some. He had some bogus excuse. Can you recite flimsy, but they don't. You know- and I have spoken to someone who should have signed it, god, the credentials to sign it, amend, didn't sign it because he felt that just as there is no basis for he didn't want to be involved in some political. He just saw it as a political here, and so that would have to ban these people are very savvy. I'm in

expect them to be their high level, cia, analyze and direct as you would expect that they would sniffer rat and deny that this was political and, of course they knew. But, as you said, they felt there was this sort of this. This is that had was afflicting the intelligence, community and and all the farmers. it was. The trunk is an existential threat. Sure that's right! You see that you see that the reaction of people like harris is. The trump is such a threat that no matter sheets interesting to me- to see this happening, because it's happening on multiple fronts like were told by people continually, that we face existential threats that our such that all the normal rules should be up ended by moral people in those normal rules could mean every single one of your constitutional rights, which is, of course, what happened in the cold war.

and which is now a disease that the doctors according to MSNBC are having a difficult time, distinguishing from the common called in also that's kind of a problem, and so we have emergency emergency, emerges line that climate change. Well, that's the that's the next one! That's the next one! It's like climate change is such an emergency that every right thinking person is is terrified into apocalyptic panic, and so you don't I have to fly and you don't get to have a car and you don't get to leave your city and you don't get to eat meat and and well, you know quote: we get power? Of course, that has nothing to do with any of this, and so you don't want it things that I've come to conclude is that if your list, to someone who says the crisis is such that your fear, just defies my suspension of your civil liberties. Then you're. Working not to your ally in crisis and an appropriate leader, but to a tyrant in sheep's clothing, and this is exactly what happening with the the trump frontier. It's like all, my god he's so dangerous. Just like one change in culture that

thing goes no matter what, because no matter what we do on our side and where the good guys we pop nearly as bad as trump might do at some unspecified point in the future. So I will just about enough, for this mean the story that you unfold- and I know we touch on the collusion part of it here at the end is right: again: fbi, CIA facebook, twitter conspiring with the washington post and the new york times too subvert. What I would say is the is the story of the biggest medical scandal, my lifetime, a guy, was around. I was young during the watergate hearings and and the nixon collapse, and that was nothing compared to this. As far as I can tell. First of all, it was you know: Nixon had is his hands in a variety of relatively unseemly places, but no in his most spectacularly multi dimensional manner as this, especially not when you factor in the poster. hundred biden collusion,

to silence the people who brought it to public attention, it's absolutely beyond comprehension. so how's. Your book done by the way, how many copies is absorbed and is done very well it solved in hard cover two hundred like remember the comical launching the hundreds of thousands still yeah, yeah yeah No, you have done very well and then you know there is already a balkan evil. It's done very well as right, two other newspapers other than the new york posts that have carried the banner forward in the in the buying laptop investigation or or No, I mean there have been obviously fox news and concern guys you're and publications, but nor you know I kept on high.

because I know that there are at least I don't know washing points, but I know at the new york times that there are honest journalists and- and some of them have covered aspects of this, and so should get glimmers of truth coming out, but I'm afraid didn't it took it- was about our march or april well after job. I was ensconced in the oval office in twenty to twenty one. the new york times finally came out and admitted that yeah you know at the laptop was re arrived. I headed some of these emails. You have one That was why the way, oh by the way, with the twenty third paragraph of this tori that was area somewhere and and then and then and then after that, of course, because in your time, set the agenda and washing poster went just tripped up themselves to do similar, and they all had this.

Will apply a paragraph and it was. There is no evidence that joy Biden was involved or knew anything about what was going off. Ok, ok, sure! So, let's go let's go on that cause we're running out of time here in there's so much more to cover. We haven't even covered the details of the business involvement, but but let's do that. Ok, so so I'll play devils advocate, so so hunter has been along for the ride with his father, but his father is concerned about him and his keeping an eye on him, and why not? You know off from the spot on the jet, since it sitting there any ways we get to catch up and you know family things together and hunter. I like it hunter along in my meetings is give brings another set of eyes to this situation and if he happens to be doing some business on the side. Well, you know: what's the problem with that: okay and and I'm arms length from that completely, I don't have a clue what's going on and I'm certainly not benefiting from this in any financial manner, and so like. What's the big fuss here, everyone I'm just being a

father and you know, opened some doors for my son kay. So what's wrong with that story, what does How is Joe involved and what's the evidence for that? As far as you are concerned, with a stool and indeed, Joy, barton's business is how he has supported his family in a lavish way lived in. DU pont mansions end either put always kids through school, the noise, nephews, the nieces and so on, run an influence peddling operation that is family physically brothers and bore him out of delaware delawares very peculiar to state its like deleting dean of america, advisedly moist, opaque corporate law. As you know, the rules, and and and practically every cooperation in, Greece quoted in delaware that keep growing tiny state that gives the separated from

aware these enormous power, because it is always very wealthy companies wanting favors from him also because when he can into the senate- he was a kid aid, to be moulded by the all descended, is there and they felt frank as he was newly booby died, and so they took him There is wing doesn't like to admit this, but it was the sort of racist, so dixie, cracked senators, who did that democratic an end. He got these very highfalutin jobs, powerful jobs. He was too many years, chair of the Senate foreign, really The committee chair of the Senate judiciary committee Although judiciary committee had power of the who became judges, and also in the foreign relations committee. He was worried very early dawn by china. He went over there as a young, unfinished

taken to the equivalent of my office vineyard for a weekend and they filled his head with side. Did you know propaganda? he came back and he was so embarrassingly pro china that the weekly stand. It had a front page. Excavating score humans saying he is an embarrassment and I enjoy by as these very influential head of the farm relations committee, You two thousand and one was instrumental in getting china into the w g, are which a disaster for american manufacturing for the very american working class that Joe Biden purports to care about, and You know he was during influential with his reluctant a democrat colleagues at the republicans weren't into it, but the Democrats, when bill Clinton wasn't into it so decide that was you know Joe Biden for all is nonsense and he's clown.

his behavior in his law, eyes and he's the fact that he's he's laughed at by people is sort of harmless, silly jar and he did carry a lot of clout and he did make. I'll get legislation through for those donors that credit had diners in delaware. That were again, detriment of the little people and in return, you know I've got cheap houses and his he's pretty a less good houses were boy unemployed, lighted price I ever his son got into jobs at inflated salary and who knows what else ass it were for him. So he had this. This influence, link operation go I've, got it within his dna in delaware, and then became vice president hunter. Now comes into the family business, he was already a lobbyist in it, agents are that we was working. and now joy start flying him

around the world with him flew in famously to china, or in twenty thirteen to when, when joy was going to china that you do Eric is important. Business like stop China from aggressive in the south, china, sea try using those islands, stop China, stealing america's intellectual property and saw an end. I walked away from that meeting with the chinese tcp leaders, after on behalf of america, that hunter walked away with a ten percent stake in China. The fact that two and a half billion less knocker turkish alerts focus on out for a minute. So you just laid out no three concerns of international importance, particularly in relationship to the. U s. With regard to china, you said: Biden came home from that trip empty, handed buddies

came home with a substantial business victory case. Now it seems to me now tell me if I'm wrong. Well, I would say first of all, while that shouldn't have have happened regardless of its legal, regardless of its legality, it's a clear moral hazard right. Is it well whiteness negotiating with the Chinese on these important affairs. His son shouldn't be negotiating business deals on the same trip, especially business deals that benefit the ok, so now how? If you're a Democrat how'd, you argue against that proposition. Like am I missing something here? How is that not inappropriate Well, this is how Joe Biden does it. He uses the grief card again it's always about you

all the sun, the apple of his eye tragically died of brain cancer. Share that that is overlaid united, we told the wasted joy was side, devastate, that his age didn't dare bring out the case about charisma, for instance, because that was around that time You know any time, joy is in hot water. You just say this drew out his career. What date they bring up the tragedy at his wife and daughter, the dying the tragedy of his son dying later on, and You know joy when he's in trouble. I mean I hate to say this, because it sounds so awful and maybe I'm being too cynical but he will manage to get himself photographed at church walking through the gradual. with tombstones in the back honestly at this, What I say that, but I fear it just pops up its size, simply call an awful. I think it must be perhaps just money.

memory for him now? You know he doesn't really mean to do it. He just that's the way it works. Yeah well, be careful, careful careful what you practice. Yes right, yeah right right, because you know what's what's: first, a plan becomes a habit and then it just second nature, and then you say well I didn't know it's like you. You knew once you just forgot, there's one One thing I want to delve into, I think, and I think we should take the time to do it and so and then, of course I would also like to ask you what you ve learned since you wrote the book, so maybe will end with that. But can you briefly relatively briefly go through the business dealings that you detail in the book me not takes up. Like two thirds of the book I mean I know we talked about the X. the volume of home made pornography, that's on the laptop, but- and I would say that all of it in the moral domain, but not in the nickel domain.

Dealings with china. There's dealings with russia. There's dealings with ukraine and that's not also do you want to walk through some of that went just hit the highlights. Let's say that's mainly. It is also has explained romania. The patent is always the same. It's these these sort of corrupt countries they would like to for whatever reason thought the oligarchy that need the sort of joy by imprimatur so that they can pressure their own governments, stop investigating them on that. I've been in romania in ukraine in russia is more there's an oligarchy who paid money too, it was, I think, was a money laundering operation. When I mean it was like to billion dollars to buy realistic parts of real estate in america.

It was true one of the businesses that actually devon arch was organizing, but there was three and a half million dollars it the same two big. It seemed off that put into an account of a hunter and indifference and sorrow and against it you know the charisma deal they had a couple of china deals that fell over there was there always see. Should be whenever there really, with mary unsavory people whenever unto with you, know, mixing with these unsavory, particularly in china. Those people tend to get. My arrest or disappear, and I wondered I thought throughout the laptop as I thought about it, their waste hundred seem to have a guardian angel? You know he threw dating emma. He still houdini, king over him and, of course it would make sense. People have told me that the vice president's son would have seen. Or intelligence anyway,

keeping an eye on what he's doing, especially when he's a crack at it and has a hooker problem. that they would be keeping an argument pulling out of scrapes to save him and we saw that happening in america. Gardener S. What happened overseas? one thing I should say is about joys, benefiting find a lot on the laptop by united states like being a little bit pregnant and I'm sure there is more- and this is what james Clymer and the artist's site committee is looking for and why they're trying to subpoena Joe Biden's personal bank records and hunters and the rest of the families, and so I found some evidence that hunter was paying for joy's household bills. So there was, there was no painting of his The house in delaware was arrogant. Air conditioning knew anything for a cottage on the estate. retaining wool

you can, I knew shutters July, is it. Why is it so relevant just out of curiosity that there's documented evidence that Joe directly bennett then financially I mean there is overwhelming evidence that job, whose son, who he travels with benefited overwhelmingly financially, it's like. Are we supposed to mean the presumption that there's no moral hazard there for the president that his death, it's his son and not him. That means it has slightly nothing to do with him I mean it, and yet this is a very close knit family that spend a lot of time together and and pray that around to a substantial degree. I mean I would regard at least to some degree, favorite done for my son as touching on me in a positive manner? You know I mean I am I

I am wondering if I've got something wrong there, because of course there is the legal issue and of that it's not like doubts irrelevant, but it would seem to me that, given that it's the president, see that there's a broader moral hazard issue here too, especially given that were at war with russia, because of because of ukraine, I that's not a little thing. The fact that they, the by family, was tangled up in ukraine and all sorts of interesting ways. Let's put it down and that were now at worn and also an extremely expensive, or, I might add, where tens of bill of dollars or being dumped into an unbelievably corrupt country. With like no virtually no oversight, because you think there's oversight nuke. there's something wrong with your head. Everyone's no forever that that's a remarkably corrupt country, even by eastern european standards, which is really saying something, and so why is it that? Why is it? Do you think that in order for there to be a real scandal. There has to be absent,

We documented evidence that some of the money that was definitely paid, the hunter by foreign agents, had to be funneled directly to Joe, otherwise he's completely innocent. We can just go on as if nothing is happening that doesn't sound me as reasonable. Totally agree. I mean it's one of the narratives, that's being crafted to protect him. that is, you know at the white house, is changed from Thank you now. I knew nothing about my son's oversees business dealings too. Now they sang all joke was an in business with his son. This was after devon archer. divide, and given it to be very, very careful because he's facing jail himself. It. Has a lawyer provide lawyer whose very close with the Biden so he had to be careful in what he said, but what he said was that the brand was Joe Biden in that joy was on the speaker. Fine, with hunter at least twice

He times were now I having these meetings. You know trying to try them when we have the brand. If, if the brand wasn't Joe Biden, then what the hell was the brand, because I don't see any evidence that hunter Biden had a brand. What did you arms and washing posted etc. Want is that eight they say, there has to be a check with joys name signed by a corrupt oligarchy for anybody to even open their eyes and say that joy did something wrong. I mean it. I don't think so. That's that's not something that the people who are investigating. That's, not a road that the people were investigating. This should walk down. The right road is as I can tell you to say, hey look folks were in a really dangerous war with russia and no, will say we are because we're all winking nodding in pretending that its ukraine, but it we know what the hell's going on fundamentally and theirs, chance. That part of the reason that

in this war is because things that weren't exactly straight we're going on with the president's son yeah united victor shaken, that's a problems, he blamed Joe Biden, the sun, reason: obama outsourced foreign policy to go by, no idea? Why? But that's what he did. I joy by was the guy standing in the town. Mac whirr, engaging painting arrived in america, joy, barton The guy who, when she, ukraine you'd, know not only seven or eight times, I'd end india, grampians even were beaten, insulted that obama didn't bother eva guy unto ukraine, so did so victor. I can blames Joe Biden, the vice president for you to cry not being able to defend Itself, when russia invaded crimea and of course, sure invaded crimea.

Direct result in retaliation. For that you know alleged cia coup that throughout Europe It's you with a kind of moderately friendly to the russians, but wasn't kind of inner pocket agenda covered. You been talking about doing a deal with europe, which obviously the russian didn't like and he pulled out up when the russians gave him a big bribe, blah blah blah. But but the fact is that that a lot of you, prince victor shrunken being one of them say that they were told at that time. Frank. I told shotgun these that the americans and that means Biden said look dart do anything we are going to deal with this diplomatic play. Will they didn't deal with a diplomatically? I don't know what, whether whether any bob gates the priest I bet you know high ranking, bullshit nathan obama, I'm secretary of defence, said

joy, patents being wrong about every fallen foreign policy issue eva and I don't know whether that's because he's a bumbling fool or whether it's because he's compromised some fashion. He always puts his own interests first and thought Now we have a situation where russian We saw game and I asked anne and completely falsely during the trump administration, where the whole russia brush russia, hoax, was happening in, and people like arabic shift. The signal democrat head of the intelligence committee was boldly saying that Donald trump was an agent of trying to be prudent the russian agent. None of that was true, but it sort of. Does it a job of demonizing russia, in the eyes of the american people and in our russia is completely to blame for having invited ukraine this time, but I'm puttin would have seen an opportunity because of course, the last I'm Joe Biden was in charge of policy for you, praying

invaded crimea and nothing happened. So I I just think the very dangerous situation where you have this, this guy It has to be compromised, considering all the pies that he's found with an old millions of dollars at flowed through his son and his brother and We saw the family members from all these different country, Is that our adversaries? You know how can I buy need not be compromised. Well, that's a good place to end. I would say we're going to do another half an hour. Everyone who's watching and listening on the daily wear plus platform? And I don't know exactly what I'm, what I'm going to talk to miranda about when we get yeah, but you can come over there and find out and for all of you who are watching and listening. You know. Thank you very much for that. Rounder, that's a that's! Quite the book laptop

hell for those you again who are watching listening. You might want to go, read that and you know, draw your own conclusions, because this is a it's something you should be investigating and thinking about, especially because there's a you're not coming in it. You know about a year and it's gonna be an important one, because things are quite the mass and they easily get worse and you might want to know what Hell's going on so, let's I'm up or what do we see here? Well hunter left his laptop very carelessly a week before his face. Now it run for presidency, three water logged laptops just in case one wasn't enough, and so that's three is quite a lot actually and then guy, who really had no public exposure at all and no desire for it, cod what was on the laptop and tried to get it to them. when the authorities and and that was difficult as it turned out, even though he went to the press and you think they'd be all over it and he finally got giuliani, interested and Julie,

You got two new reposed interested and then that story broke soon before the previous election date and then it was shut down and it was shut down because a fascist collusion between facebook, twitter and the deep eight fundamentally and was blamed on russia collusion and then fifty one former security in intelligence officials wrote a letter. stating that this while the year marks of a russian disinformation campaign, even though never seen it, they didn't investigated, and that was all alive, and that was just before the election, which was a which was decided by hair and after that trump claimed that delay was stolen. He claimed it at a level of detail, but I dont know what a sensible person is supposed to think about. The fact that the two big social media empires in the world, shut down the new york post story, devastating family on the grounds of the laptop that hunter himself last atta delaware, computer repair shop. That's where we're at

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