19-year-old Horace Lorenzo Anderson was killed in Seattle's Capitol Hill Organized Protest zone.
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They risked their lives, they
knew it
senator. Thank you
joining us now, hes, the father
of a young man we mentioned
earlier
Horace Lorenzo Anderson.
He was murdered in Seattles,
Chop Zone Autonomous Zone or
summer free love zone on
June 20th.
Horse. Lorenzo Anderson SR is
with us, along with a family
representative who is the
executive director of not this
time.
Andre Taylor is with us,
sir. I speak for everyone. I know
watching this program tonight.
We are so sorry for the loss of
your son.
I dont know how I am a
father,
a sound that is twenty one and a
daughter, thats eighteen right around
the age
of your son,
and this happened ten days ago
and the city still didnt do
anything to protect its
citizenry.
Your thoughts, sir.
I think they shouldve just
been.
I mean its incredible.
My son is nineteen.
They should have been doing
something about this a long time
ago,
like I said, I understand black
lives matter and everything
whats going on in everything,
but thats, not my movement right
now.
My movement is to let them know
that that was my son.
You know what im saying
Horace Lorenzo Anderson was my
son.
I dont know
I am not with all this
whatevers going on
politics.
None of that.
I dont know nothing about that.
All I know is this is my son and
I love him.
This is incredible.
That shouldve been gone a long
time ago.
The concern about the fact
that he was never no one ever
came and spoke to him.
I never talked to that day.
After
the only way I found out. I see
my son the night before he
passed away.
He was on the couch.
I seen him.
He looked like he was about to
go to sleep.
I seen him,
I laughed with him,
he stays with me.
We laughed and I said, im going
to sleep and I went to sleep.
The only way I found out was
just two of his friends just
two friends that just happened
to be up there and they came and
told me
they werent even from Seattle,
mind you. I havent heard the
police department, they never
came.
My sons address his, I dot d
him personally
him as a person.
He still had somebody
shouldve came and knocked on my
door and still to this day,
shouldve been like coming to
talk to me. Let me know about my
son
to this day. I dont know
nothing.
I am just still sitting here.
I havent heard nothing from
nobody.
Aint, nobody contacted me,
you havent heard
from the mayor or the governor.
You didnt hear from anybody.
I havent heard from the
mayor
havent heard from the police
department
recently because we went on tv
they reached out to me. Let me
know what they are doing now.
My son has been deceased now for
two weeks somewhere in there.
I dont even remember
my days is like every day is
like every day is just the same
day,
its like im confused,
but I understand that whatevers
going on, but even at the time,
even with my son passing away
when I went to the hospital
there was no detectives there.
There is no. There was nobody
there, no media, nothing.
He was nobody.
He was just like. We was just
there and we just sat there, and
I said man. Why are we sitting
here
theres? Nobody else here,
its like they didnt care,
it didnt matter,
havent heard from the mayor,
the police department, no city,
nobody,
nobody.
The only thing I heard from is
what you are hearing now
thats it
I saw this picture.
I looked for the video,
its a picture of you that im
holding up that was in the daily
wire.
What I see in this picture,
if we can pan and close, if can
I saw a fellow father with a son
or on the same age as my son and
about the same age as my
daughter
and then I read the article and
a read what you said.
You actually said: youre, not
sleeping
you can see. My eyes have been
crying
im, trying not to cry on tv
and then you went on and you
explain how you could not
understand how they allow this
lawlessness to go on
now, youre, taking it to an
entirely new level.
Nobody had the decency to call
you.
I assume that you heard the
mayor calling this the summer of
love and the media reporting it
as a festive zone. One big block
party
to this day. They still
havent called me right now,
ive been on tv,
they still have them call me.
Nobody has called me
they havent reached out to be
like my condolences,
nothing
I dont understand.
I never understood.
All I know is now they are
acting now.
This is today, three weeks
later,
if I wouldve never even came on
tv,
it would still be going on right
now.
Let me just say Hannity. I
dont want to make this no kind
of political statement.
You can say anything
you want, Sir
Sir, you can say anything you
want on my show.
You can criticize me. I dont
care.
I want this to stop.
I dont need to criticize
you.
He was very gracious,
very gracious in offering your
condolences when nobody else
has
you offered yours
its, not a political statement.
You compared his situation to
your own with your daughter,
thats big.
It means something, and I
appreciate you for that,
for what I dont want to do is
get into. Who is this and who was
at fault?
We dont really know
chop. I believe shouldve been
dismantled at least a week
before
when the first violence
happened. We shouldve looked at
it a little differently
and that wasnt done, because I
understand navigating in a time
in our country that, for the
George Floyd situation, people
were a little bit hesitant on
how to act and not to be the
ones to feel like they are
trying to put down young
peoples voices.
I understand
I want to let you know
personally beyond the politics
that I appreciate how you
reached out to Horace, and you
said how you understood his
condition.
I think thats real big of you,
thats, probably the only
thing ive heard from anybody.
I havent heard that from
anybody else,
thats heartbreaking.
We are on tv and ive never
been on tv, so I dont know how
to be on tv, but my son was a
child with special needs.
He was born at twenty five weeks,
so they compare him. They try to
put him.
He was a child.
He had developmental delays.
You know what im saying
easily manipulated.
You could tell him something
come on. He is that type of
child
very influenced by others,
easily influenced you know
what im saying come easily.
He was sitting on my couch.
I went to bed,
I seen my son
when I left. I seen him.
I came home and I seen him and I
said I love you, man
im going to sleep.
Everything else just seems like
like
a blur
limestone knob. I have to bury
my son tomorrow,
my son tomorrow
theres a lot going on
my whole life, its incredible
to this day I spent almost two
weeks I havent heard from
nobody
hasnt. Nobody called
nobody called me
or tried to find me
his I dot d is my I dot d and his
number is my number so its easy
to come for the detectives to
say. Excuse me, let me tell you
what happened about your son.
I dont know nothing.
I had to find my son,
they wouldnt. Even let me see my
son.
It took me a whole week before I
could see my son.
Mr Anderson, hang
on
Mr Anderson.
You werent allowed to see your
son for a week.
Please.
I went to the hospital and
they said that we couldnt see
him.
They said we couldnt see him
when I would go there, im going
there and im. Looking for a
detective. Somebody tell me
something
when I get there theres
nobody,
the hospital is blank,
its silence
im going whats going on,
so I go ask the lady and she
tells me hold on
so I wait.
I couldnt go in
im waiting for a long time and
then I finally she tells me
to come in and then the doctor
tells me he tells me my son is
deceased
im like can I see him?
Is it my son
youve got to realize that this
time im going isnt really my
son,
you know I want to know. Is it
my son?
This could be somebody elses
child
in my head im going hes mine,
because everybody is saying this,
but in my heart im going I
just need. I need to see him.
I need to see him one time
just so I can see him.
I couldnt seem that day.
That was Saturday.
It took all the way until
Thursday.
I just seen him just last week,
just Thursday,
whatever they did to him, making
it presentable whatever it was.
I got to finally see him
and then in my heart I knew it
was my son.
This is my son
because I wouldnt want nobody,
elses son there,
its incredible
the kids that pass whatever
what happened the other day.
This is incredible.
These are kids.
I am fifty years old.
These are kids,
they should have been stopping
this a long time ago.
Excuse me
they are getting to a point. You know where
know where
im so sorry
im. So sorry, Mr Anderson,
I can only say this as a dad.
You want to break Sean Hannity
im, a pretty tough guy
that will break me.
Somebody needs to come talk to
me and somebody needs to come.
Tell me something because I
still dont know nothing, and
somebody needs to come to my
house and knock on my door and
tell me something
I dont know nothing.
All I know is that my son got
killed out there
a 19 year old,
thatS, Horace, Lorenzo Anderson,
my son, and I love him.
That was my son,
everybody.
I can tell you, Sir and Andre.
I didnt want to cut you off
earlier
on the show we have done
something
we have every weekend, hundreds
of kids shot people shot in
Chicago killed. Every weekend
we get a death toll,
nobody knows their names.
These are american, kids,
grandfathers, grandmothers, moms
and dads.
We are the United States of
America.
We can fix this.
We dont fix this.
You do it by right, policing,
training, police,
nonlethal weapons.
You do with the police presence,
not demonizing.
Everyone agreed what happened to
George Floyd cant ever happen
again.
It was not a political issue.
How do we? How do we function
as a society? If we dont protect
our children?
I feel for his family too. No
disrespect.
Of course you do
its personal,
my son,
somebody shouldve helped my
son.
He did help
he needed paramedics.
He needed the police to come.
Somebody was supposed to go in
there and help my son.
Can I play you
something, sir?
They shouldve came there and
helped my son.
Even after that. Still let me
know
I should know. I shouldnt
know from some little kids
im fifty years old,
the police somebody shouldve
knocked on my door and said man.
We need to sit down and talk to
you,
but you know whats going on.
I still dont know whats going
on
im. Hearing from you to
I dont know nothing.
All I know is my son is dead.
I dont know nothing
im still trying to figure out
answers, so I can sleep.
I dont sleep,
my kids dont sleep.
I cant even stay at home.
My kids, they feel like they are
unsafe at home,
ive been buying hotel rooms and
I dont have that type of money.
I wasnt prepared for this.
You know what im saying
I am blessed that my son, my
auntie, she blessed me
his mom. We all came together
and we got to bury him
other than that. I dont have
answers.
You know what im saying
this is my son.
Somebody needs to come talk to
me.
I understand black lives matter,
thats, not what was going on
here.
He is somebody
he is somebody
im his dad.
I need answers and I demanded
I refuse. I will not lay down,
I am hurt, but I am trying
I am trying trying to pull
myself together and I apologize
for crying.
You know I dont know I am
trying to pull myself together.
Tv is not my thing,
sir. You have
nothing.
Somebody needs to answer to
this
somebody.
Yes, Sir
Andre
Mr Taylor, you wanted to say
I was asking: did you say
something?
He said he wanted to play
something.
First of all, all of
the violence in all of these
cities. I have been scrolling
names that people dont hear of
in Chicago
four thousand,
two thousand and nine to twenty. Sixteen
four thousand, almost four thousand dead,
thousands and thousands more
shot.
They are statistics.
I scroll the names, sometimes
im doing it right now,
and I watch this video,
Mr Anderson, the night that
your son was shot.
I cant believe they didnt tell
you.
I cant believe Nobodys called
you.
I am stunned by it.
You have a funeral tomorrow
for your son.
Yes,
the funeral is tomorrow.
If I can do anything
for you and your family, I will
do whatever you need.
I will donate whatever amount of
money you need for all of this,
its outrageous to me.
I will gladly
I appreciate all the
donations, but my thing it isnt
about the money.
You lost your son,
I wake up in the morning. They
look for my son in the morning.
Hes. Not there are no more.
You know im saying
its like: I go in there
im kissing a picture
hes not there.
I understand
it aint, even about the money
its like somebody, somebody
something needs to happen.
Lets change something.
Let me play the tape
dont wait until tomorrow or
the next day.
This is the night
that your son was shot.
The police had to beg the
paramedics had to beg
somebody shot. Somebody has a
heart attack or stroke seconds
matter to save lives.
They had to actually bag to get
into the summer of love zone
that the mayor out there because
it to offer and provide
assistance.
I want your reaction to this.
Please move out of the way so
we can get to the victim
while we are trying to do, is get
to the victim and provide them
aid.
Please allow us to get by into
the area to provide aid.
They had to beg to go
in as police and medics to
offer aid
to somebody who is shot
turns out in the end to be your
child.
By the way you never have to
apologize,
every single parent watching the
show right now I promise you
they identify.
I dont know the pain, but I know
if you want to break need, you
hurt your kids,
you have nothing to apologize,
for.
Let me say this Sean. Let me just say this.
Let me just say this
that video you played is very
ive, never seen it
me. Neither
the fact that you are hearing
officers bleeding with people at
the chop area, which is why
Horace spoke to that the first
time he did any media at all
said that his beliefs were as
mine were, that place needed to
come to an end
chop had an incredible
opportunity to do something
really great and and to see how
ended with violence.
Two people being killed a
16 year old, a 14 year old,
the 14 year old, fighting for his
life right now,
thats the saddest story of all
of what happened with chop
im, hoping that we all can learn
from what has happened here.
I think our country still has an
incredible opportunity to do
something: real real big at this
time with policing with
bringing all of our people
together, as we have done in
Washington, state and the first,
and only stayed with the police
accountability.
We have an incredible
opportunity to unify in some
capacity.
Lets hope that George Floyds
death will be the unifying
factor thats. What im hoping
for for all Americans across
the board, whether we be
Republicans and Democrats im
not really concerned about that
im, really addressing the
american Spirit,
things that we have overcome as
a country before and things
that we will likely overcome. As
long as we have some unification
again,
I do believe we are the greatest
country that has ever existed,
and I would like to make sure
that we are continuing to show
that by the work and not by our
words.
Both of you are
saying its beyond powerful.
I happen to be a Christian.
I could be a better christian.
I know all my faults and
failures in life.
Christians can say they want to
be forgiven,
its a misnomer among people, but
if you believe it- and you
believe we are all children of
god- and I believe that too- and
yet we are on a very fundamental
level if we dont create safety
and security and we dont give
kids a proper education,
we spend more. The third highest
per capita spending city in
America is Baltimore for kids
in school.
They have thirteen high schools and
not one kid, not one is
proficient in math
and then I look at the violence
every weekend in Chicago and
then I look at whats happening
in New York City tonight as we
speak,
and then I look at what happened
to your precious son,
Mr Anderson
and im. Listening to what Andre
is saying. Mr Taylor is saying
very closely:
we can we can protect people.
New York City showed us how to
go from two thousand five hundred murders a year to
five hundred
thats. Five hundred to many, but there are
things that we can do to make
this a safer country.
I dont think all cops are bad,
actually believe. Ninety nine percent are good
and you get the one bad cop
ive got a friend thats a
police officer.
One of my friends is a police
officer here right in Seattle.
He works for the Seattle Police
Department.
He is a good friend of mine.
He played basketball with me and
everything.
He knows me
when he sees my face hes going
to recognize me
when I see them. I know hes
doing his job.
This doesnt have to do with
just specifics.
It has to do with my son needed
help.
I dont feel like they helped my
son didnt. Nobody help my son,
nobody still they havent
reached out.
I feel like. Without this, he
would be nobody.
It doesnt matter
just another guy, another child
swept up under a rug and thats
it and forgotten about
Sean. Can I say something-
and I know this is your show, but
I recognize something that maybe
I havent given you credit for
before
I dont like politics, whether
its Democrats or Republicans,
I have seen you before
youre very popular figure.
I have seen that
ive seen you on your show, take
command of your own show when
you have a right to do that,
but to be as gracious since you
have been today, makes me feel,
like you are being a better
christian.
It makes me feel like it gives
me different type of hope, just
to really showcase whats inside
of you. What I want to believe
is inside of you
again. I dont want to just say
things just to be saying it, but
I also want to give credit where
credit is due. No matter on what
side
I just wanted to thank you for
that.
I dont ever want to
have to interview another, Mr
Mr Anderson or you again on
this issue.
This is not politics to me.
Forget
lets, look at the fundamentals,
putting Rampd
liberal conservative aside.
How about we protect Americas
treasure,
Horace, Lorenzo Anderson Jr is:
was nineteen years old, hes Americas
treasure
we didnt protect him,
we didnt even offer him aid,
and then you have the double
whammy.
Nobody even called you.
I am stunned.
There is no future without
the kids
without kids, there is no future
future
youre right.
Somebodys kids did this to
my son.
I still look in the camera and
I wouldnt wish this on you.
Nobody, elses, kids.
This is incredible.
I am being a Christian now and
my heart thats. What im trying
to be?
I have been more christian in my
heart.
Lord bless me, so I can be
strong with my family, my kids,
whoever is looking in this
camera. They see me and they see
my face.
If your kid is involved, you
figure it out.
Take him in
you. Do that
thats in gods, hands
everything is in gods, hands and
God is going to take care of it.
God is going to take care of me
hes, going to take care of my
son and Everythings been good.
I just want to just be lay my
son to rest and give me some
rest and lay down and just be
like just try to figure
everything out.
Maybe it will happen later on.
Maybe I will get answers later
on
right now, all my questions, no
answers
thats, where im at right now,
you said something
tonight as a dad. Again I take
really it hit me deeply.
You kiss a picture.
You dont get to hug your son.
Ever again,
you dont get to hold him and
tell them you love him. Ever
again
I mean I dont know how I
dont have advice for anybody to
get over that.
I guess my question. We havent
asked
to talk to him again.
I cant talk to him.
I cant just tell them. I love
him.
One thing about me: I raised all
my kids in one household,
all of my kids.
I have the privilege to raise
all my kids,
the rest of my kids. They still
stay with me.
I got a chance to raise them.
God gave my son to me at two years
old and ive been raising him
since two years old. The best I
can
you know, kids, they do what
they do.
My thing was, all I can do is
teach you how to live.
I couldnt teach them how to
dive, because I aint never died
before.
I dont know how to teach my
kids how to die.
I teach them how to live
so when you say that and
respect that, because when I wake
up in the morning
im trying to walk in the room-
and I want to see him
all ive got- is a picture now
and im going. I love you and
im hoping
ive never been dead before
I cant tell you, you know hes
dead and he can hear you and we
say this and we believe in
things because thats what we
are supposed to believe in God
and we believe in everything
but ive never been dead.
I hoping he hears me
even before he passed away. One
thing I would always tell
everybody come. I would tell my
kids every day I love you,
I would kiss them,
they are old,
they would say dad they would
get mad.
Dad would kiss them
dad quit kissing
it. Dont matter,
I love you,
that is my love. ThatS shared
its one thing that I can say
he knows that I loved him.
You know im saying
because I always
hes got a sister. Hes got
family behind him. That really
loves him.
They really loved him.
He was the blessing.
It was incredible.
He was an incredible blessing,
everybody loved him.
That was my son.
I cant tell him no more, but he
did get to hear me now. I love
you son
with all my heart
I talked to in the morning and I
would say man. I wish you
wouldve stayed home that night,
you rewind stuff,
you cant rewind.
This is something that I never
thought
I seen George Floyd and I seen
needs other kids and I said its
terrible
its terrible.
Even what happened just
recently
its terrible.
You look at something.
You never think it would be you
one day,
the cameras looking at you and
the cameras. Looking at me, its
like unbelievable.
This is me
I tell my kids, I love them.
I raise them right. Hes been
playing football since hes
six years old,
I coached football.
He turned my life around.
I cook home, cooked meals for my
kids, every night
ive been knowing him since
we were younger,
we aint saints.
I come from a checkered past.
He comes from a checkered past,
but we changed our lives for the
good.
For my son, for all, my kids
changed our lives and to
encourage other youngsters that
we mightve been in the same
situation that you dont have to
be defined by your mistakes and
your past
I mentor other kids
ive been a mentor at other
schools.
I coached football for eight
years.
I work with the community
within my community.
I dont go to too many
communities because I dont go
that far, but I would work with
the kids.
They know who I am
this hit kind of hard.
What about me,
like everybody, forgets about
you.
Life is incredible
Hannity. What do you think?
What are your last thoughts?
Hannity,
Mr Taylor,
I just heard Mr Anderson
describe what I think is the
most. None of us are perfect.
We are all sinners,
weve all sinned and fallen
short.
I believe that
im guilty
when I hear when you talked
about Mr Anderson, that you hug
and you kiss your older children
and you coached your son and you
brought them up right,
youre, not perfect, but you did
everything you could come and
you hug them and you kiss them
and you let them know you love
them every day.
I hope that my kids feel the way
I feel about you. As a father.
You sound like an amazing
amazing father to me,
and that just makes this that
much harder
you cant kiss a picture youre
right what you said
it hurts
the worst part is, and I do
believe in an afterlife.
I really do
but the time between now and
then you wont, see your son.
This doesnt have to happen.
We can do better than this.
I know some people would turn
this into a gun to Bay Door.
No, just simply, every city needs
to create a zone,
call it a safe and secure zone,
so every child can have a
childhood and have coaching and
parents that hug them and love
them and dont have to worry
about drive by shootings and
worry about gangs and worry
about drug dealers and worry
about all these other things
that we should all. As Americans
agree on,
and I think, with the amount of
money we spend on education
more than any other country in
the industrialized world, we can
create a ladder, so every child
can pursue happiness.
The latin phrase for education
to bring forth from within
that means, God put it there and
we have to bring it out of every
son and daughter we have,
and these are our treasures,
Americas treasures
you were describing, I think, the
perfect parent
that loves to kiss and love of
his children and be there for
his children.
Thats. What I hear
honestly, I tip my hat to you,
the fact that you can share all
of that. It is beyond powerful
to me
youre right, Mr Taylor. I talk
a lot about politics. I believe
it with all my heart,
but if our politicians cant
agree on one thing and cant fix
one thing and that his safety
and security they have failed
in their job.
I dont care what party here in,
if you dont support safety and
security and a good education
for our children get a hold of
the way,
because America can do better
than that.
Let me add one to that.
Let me add one to that:
safety, security and
accountability
amen.
All those run hand in hand.
We cant have one without the
other
and family.
If you dont have family, you
have nothing
its all based on family.
My whole life is based on im
fifty years old. So my whole thing
is my kids family.
I want to do family things,
so, in the end, when its all
said its family,
you know what im saying
it doesnt come with politics.
It dont come with nothing.
You know what im saying
its real
its family
thats it.
When you say family, then thats
it
thats, my family, that is my
son
im going to love him forever
were going to love him forever.
We cant talk to him, but I still
talk to him.
I do my own talking.
We have our own conversation,
always thats in my heart.
They want the world to know that
that was my son and I understand
Floyd and everything
im with black lives matter. All
of that
thats cool.
I appreciate that, but its just
certain things that should
matter outside of that.
You have to put a stamp on it
and say: hey certain things.
These are children.
These are children of God.
These are babies,
amen,
youre, taking away
generations
youre, taking away our youth.
You are taken away. My son never
had a chance to have another
child.
My grandbaby would never be
im supposed to be fruitful and
multiply and make my family. So
we multiply and we have family
thats a generation taken from
me.
My son is not able to do that.
You know what im saying
man,
kids. I look at the kids,
I say this and I tell you right
now: listen to your parents.
Listen to your dad.
I know you get mad. Sometimes
youd be like dad. Dad
youd be rebellious.
He would be like no
stop.
They tell you this because they
love you.
They love you,
your friends. If they loved you,
they would tell you something
your friends dont agree with
you all the time.
A good friend never agrees with
you because he knows you are
wrong now,
if youre wrong, im wrong
as kids.
I understand kids, you be like
this,
your parents.
They are the number one thing in
your life.
Never ever ever go around that
talk to your parents. First, your
mom and dad knows everything
perform anything
if you feel like mom aint
right go to dad
somebody,
its your parents,
its their responsibility, to
show you as a parent. How to be
so. You can grow up and live.
You know im saying
other than that, its impossible
to live. If you dont have
family,
you need family
Hannity. Thank you for having
us on your show.
You were gracious to us.
You were kind
appreciate you.
I will just say I
know I speak for, I would say the
overwhelming ninety nine percent of american
people in this
we cant bring back your son.
I have been doing radio thirty one
years tv twenty five years.
I think that the message that
both of you conveyed tonight,
probably more powerful than
every show ive done.
I hope that so called leaders
and elected officials listen
because every moment dad hears
you.
I hear you
youre in my prayers.
If I can ever do anything, I
want to stay in touch with you
and continue this discussion off
air.
Thank you for sharing your time.
We pray for you and your family,
so sad about your loss.
Thank you so much both of you
for being with us for all this.
Transcript generated on 2020-07-21.