The director of the CIA had a secret meeting with the leader of the Taliban in Kabul. Journalist and author Hollie McKay joins to discuss what she saw on the ground in Afghanistan. Allyson Reneau joins to discuss how she helped rescue an Afghanistan all-girls robotics team from the Taliban.
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Coming up on the pod cast. Today we talk about what's going on in Afghanistan, the latest we have of reporters on the ground were helping to get people out of Afghanistan, people who have seen and been at the airport. We go into all of that today. We also thoroughgoing to celebrate a little bit. Andrew Cuomo is out of office. We get into that today, and I want to remind you one more time if you can send Nazareth fun dot. Org is the place to go to help the effort to get Christians who are vetted going to Third Party nations out of Afghanistan donated over twenty eight million dollars, which is readily amount of money in such a short time, really really appreciate that the Nazareth fund dot org is the place to go to get involved in that effort. There's a pumpkin,
the only thing tat, some of the other stuff that is going on today is is
really important, but I we are trying to stay focused on.
What's right in front of us and that
Is this debacle of the by
ministration in Afghanistan.
Wish I could get on the ground at the airport of Kabul
like to see
the faces of our troops.
I'm just I'm imagining that they are not happy at all.
And would just love to see them a you know if somebody would just bring a camera and just just pan see what they are feeling
Imagine they want to do a lot more than their being allowed to
do all you gotta, believe we have heard
Some reports over the past few hours that there have been some excursions
into the city to pick up some people again. It seems, like
we're doing is begging the town.
But to allow us to do these things report
today the CIA director met with the Taliban, tourniquets negotiate. So said it again. I didn't, I think,
I thought I heard you say was RCA director met with the Taliban, so what
what did you really think? What would I
what? What did I actually yeah? Just now, I say I heard miss heard Here-
read this for you: CIA director, secretly visited Taliban in Kabul, K color,
arms with that one. It's not a secret. If we're reading about in the meetings over again now
something you should broadcast, I'm glad they did because the other problem I ever that is
It is the CIA director doing
meeting with the Taliban. Bizarre
but he was easy. Former diplomats that, on Monday, with Abdul Ghani borrowed Arnwood love that I gotta say the prey
in Spain was gaudy. Now
got Ganny and the Taliban Tom never gonna, be able to keep these people separate, I'm never gonna! Nobody wants talkin about. I changed my goods by God S for you. I don't know who anybody is any gap I mean this is. Can you just? I want you to take a moment to bring yours.
back in time a little gay uneasy started this show in before we start doing the talk shown what ninety eight or nine nine, but this indication deal we sign should go national. We signed in August of two thousand and one one so just weeks before the September eleven attack us
and then we are supposed to start the show in January two thousand and two, but they
did up because of the attacks we basically on the air since September eleven the arc of your show a twenty year arc of the show. Can you imagine what say? No,
but two thousand one I perceive. How do they do that period? And I said you know: what's gonna wind up happening,
is we're going to negotiate with the Taliban to basic
give them the country and then
going to strand and yes, John Saki Eyes, had strand thousands of Americans and the Afghans who
helped us in the twenty years of war are way way way. I gotta hear that all not we're gonna have the CIA director go negotiate with the Taliban to hopefully move the town
bonds red line to the United States? If I were you,
give you that scenario, let's say November, two thousand one. How do you feel about that? Let me give you the scenario and my response in. Let me give you the response I would have made in November Stew Stew,
I know every empire has died in Afghan
and I know that the bridge
the Soviet Union there
never been any one. That has won a war,
Ghana stand, but
I believe in our troops and I believe our troops will win the war guy
if you would have said to me well Glenn
Yes, we
going to win the war, but then
we're gonna, want elected president, whose job
going to abandon
Everything on the ground, including our billion dollar embassy, that we built because we won the war
for twenty years
Ninety years annie-
girl under twenty knows the power that she has. The inherent writes that she has, but our
president, is just
owing to handed back over to the
eggs in killers that we killed and ran out now
ten years ago, the
I would say: that's a fantasy. That's a fantasy there's, no way
that could happen in Amerika. I have
terrible news
I thought we were talking about just hypothetically yeah now this is, it really is incredible. I am, I remember, when the Obama administration first, a sort of pitched
shooting with the Taliban, and it's been a bad idea from president
to President sit out day, what a day would ever been a good idea to negotiate with the Taliban ever now and I M sure,
as I was
crazy, angry with Donald Trump, when he did it, I thought it was an embarrassment when he did it.
but that's nothing compared to this
Anybody who thinks it Donald Trump would have allowed this to happen. No, no way just let me just say this,
Don't you say, and I don't believe this for a second ledges say he doesn't care about America at all,
obvious example through the it's not true, but does
tromp is not
owing to allow Donald Trump
being humiliated, embarrassed that were not away nowhere no way. This is specialists, especial scale of
Joe Biden
Taliban Joe,
It is to go down this road. It really is because I don't I
He does not even seem to have
the interest in protecting his own presidency
let alone caring about the american troops or let alone caring about the
Afghans that helped us or little on carrying about religious minorities there that are being murdered or get all that forget all the women and girls that you say I mean guys
left has
absolutely no room to talk about the treatment
of women and the
treatment of girls and how we have to protect. Look there.
have no credibility? They have it
suppose themselves as not caring at all and all
the people who should be screaming the loudest are the world.
Community yeah where's.
me too, and this add not not mentioned, we ve taken the Taliban from a bunch of people who,
a sickly were fighting
caves against us during the war to one of the best
when most well armed
terrorism world well, learn well armed because we laughed everything. I seventy five thousand eight hundred and ninety eight vehicles, five hundred and ninety nine thousand six hundred and ninety weapons
two hundred and eight aircraft.
Rhetoric, reconnaissance equipment, sixteen thousand one hundred and ninety one. This is from open the books, dot com by the way, communicate.
Equipment hundred sixty two thirds
in six hundred forty three items think about think about this
we see back this go back again to two thousand one for a moment. What is what
the greatest strategies, Cistus and work out, a one of the reasons why we do so well in warfare when
military, because we have communications. We have night vision, eight vision right just take a night vision for a moment
Tens of thousands of nitrogen goggles and associated equipment by the way you you paid for and you cannot buy in.
or you can buy. You can't buy your mouth and you just can't use area. Americans can't buy it for your use, and so we gave that to the afghan military, who then promptly turned it over to the Taliban here as as this has developed and now, if we God forbid it
it's out of control again and we have to go back in which is totally possible by the way, totally
possible, if they again build a an area that is free passage.
for terrorists and they start blowing up our buildings. We're gonna be back in there again. Don't don't dismay.
This as if it's over, because that's the whole,
problem, but they count on Joe Biden. I find I find your sign. It might be me and I'm not saying Joe Biden- it might be ten years from now, but eventually where to go back in there and we're gonna have to deal with a Taliban
That has always equipment well
I'll, have all that equipment anyway, because Joe Biden son me is allowing Chinese to come in and spy on our military and buy things we know through bribery, etc, etc. Another huge part of and China is going to give them. All of that I mean
You see that China
think Saudi Arabia and Russia and ran have just made a deal,
and China
and ran a sorry. China and Russia have also made a deal with the Taliban
I think there is an axis of evil.
That is being formed and
We strangely are trying to form our own apparent axis of evil. Where's. The allied power here, don't copy their organizational structures,
Can I also say you gone? We have this idea of arming other country,
and it doesn't always seem to work out the best possible way rephrase little bit. It never work, but can I at least this is just an idea. You know: can we floods that gives a safety tray silly atra? They usually do it. I'm not gonna, do not anything legislative space. Can we at least
put self destruct buttons in these things. I want a self destruct. The Taliban takes over. We blow up all the weapons from one remote button. I want one
I want a drone that, when they take off with a drone, they go to bomb. Somebody just flies back the United States at land safely. Why? I I want a button that makes. I wanted
just you know they have those like ink
It's that when you steal money from a bank and explode, I want basically some version of that in every weapon we give to anybody else. So at some point, when we decide they ve got into the wrong- and I am just press the button- then they all just go away. I dont think that you ve gone for now. I would like,
night vision, goggles, that if you steal it or are we just leave it behind you push
and knives go through Europe. That is what I like it, but maybe just this is the best one. Big programme is gonna Molly Mackay. She is a journalist war crimes, investigator she's. Also the author of the book only cry for the living she
has just returned out of Afghanistan and we welcome her too
program. High Holly, how are you
sign doing well. Thank you for having me good will. Or can you say where you are now you're safe?
sure, I'm I mean I mean Tashkent in Pakistan and I am probably going to be in the region for a little while
covering the situation from neighbouring countries and some of the fall out and just kind of
hammering in Twilight days of the? U S presence in Afghanistan, so
well tell us what you think is going on what I mean. What is America doing.
I wish. I could tell you grant aid an absolute
haven't seen anything that could be
more other mass, somewhat Wesley.
Right now enough in the situation in Kabul Airport, just you
We have been trying for days and they physically can
get there and then people a terrifying being injured and they just
we stand, I'm worth, saving calls and email me really do every twenty minutes from somebody new just in desperation. Oh, how do they get there, but we
what don't think from other countries, though I received them notifications today from the australian government who actually mobilizing the
australian citizens in visa holders there to a particular place.
Hotel near the airport and actually physically taking them.
and in a helicopter. So we think that being done opened by the breadth and frustrating to see that the? U S,
Why do you ask if not able to do that? I may not allowing
great men and women as the country to leave the wire to do their job that better to do in that, most of them.
To do so. We're talking a wholly Mackay Holly, the the it's, not that we can't do it.
We're not I mean
when I read it when I read that you know Joe Biden is saying that oh you
get through the gates, Americans getting through the gate. Will then why did you take to helicopters?
and fly them two hundred metres outside of the gates to pick up
hundred and seventy Americans, when they just go through the gates,
yeah exactly I just business son of a collective denial that happening from the administration and its extremely frustrating. Because
do. You, know I'm one of the people, but have to look at these Afghans and speak to the Afghans every day and try to explain to them.
Why my government is not able to
help them, even though they are citizens of all the people, that that is the point of view, as they have the correct people working visas and is
like buying your head up against a brick wall, I'm just not
Why the presidency
he's Hale there like this and refusing to acknowledge the gravity of the situation, so
they set the White House, says we're gonna be able to get all
cons and everybody holds a proper visa out by the thirty first
I don't think there's a prayer of that happening unless something changes to day dramatically go ahead.
Am I really, in my opinion, what that is going to take at this point is clear: was an office in Doha the?
some very serious and Jan discussions with the Taliban leadership that they have been talking to now for several years.
The only way. I see that
coming easier. If the Doha leadership is able to somehow raining
there are many many rogue elements which we could spend all day
looking Atlantis and allowing people to
through and when I am aware of what is happening is possibly Americans.
and being allowed through by Afghan Americans will ask ends with American busy they're gonna, be the ones that the Taliban and basically
not wanting to leave, and then the Taliban have been very open about that thing. We do not want Afghans gleaming, we need as much court on court Cowan
here in our country and they re very adamant about that for unless coup that office collusion serious diplomacy, I dont see them.
Happening by the end of this month. So my audience last week we raised were it, I think twenty eight million dollars now and we have twenty-
air buses in Boeing's at an airport.
Very close,
We can get the State Department to clear them
and we also, you know, can't can't
seem to get outside of the gates and get any permission from anybody to.
Bring these people in and
sat there last week when all this money was coming in and I I thought,
self and it must have been the way people were that were saving Jews back in Germany, these
People mean nothing to you, you're just going to kill them.
Why won't you just let them go. They mean something to us. Let them go
clearly not that they're trying to keep all the talent in?
Afghanistan, these are,
people, they're gonna kill. Am I wrong,
Luckily,
no, not wrong at all our people that they can exert in our terrible control in a terrible life over
now, if they want to keep them alive, it would be an apology basis into two really being put them in jail. Taught them make alive. Incredibly,
global arms. I get them
people that you can control in other, more power
the Taliban seems to think it has but yeah,
just they won't. Let them go, and I think that is just the sort of terrifying
I think in part of the problem is that the leadership as being in Doha
and so they don't really have any control over the many rogue elements in mind you
thousands of the much hot and Taliban fighters
in setting in backroom presence for the path
Can you know I'm going to twenty years have been released locked away?
the Taliban when they took over the air base,
I mean that even within the release of backroom not missing the way to tell them present all over the country, but the release of the bag was at the back of the badge.
My new there in the first week of freedom, so give me a chance to think what what's happening there.
the women and children I mean I've,
actually heard somebody say: bodies
People know what it's like over there that's the way they ve lived. No, not for the last twenty years. They haven't
Twenty year old girl right now has not been raised to think that that's the way it is, she thinks that
oh she's, a powerful woman and can do things that guy's can do everything that we know in the west to be true,
and now she
he's being faced with a life of absolute hell where
are the people that are shouting about women's rights and and the right
of children. Where is the the outrage,
from Americans that arc
constantly saying that that is their goal to help it seems to be.
Be quiet, yeah. Second,
exactly. I know from many women who have gone to become
judges and lawyers and teachers and end up doing really incredible things, and now to think that their lives are going to be
eight relegated to a dank basement, and every time I set out of a half are going to have to be completely covered and accompanied by a male relative they're not going to be able to work or go to school was really have any sense and be seen or heard. Just is
just an unfathomable thought, it's just
especially in urban areas, likeable where women have just yet they have grown up to have these these rights
just to think and that have been stripped away from them like that. I just
I can't even get my head around it right now. You tell me about your
You're escort of the Taliban out tell me about that.
yeah. So what happened was my photography Jake and I we were. We had abating.
How will actually planning to be advisable spent considerable time.
some before, and we were planning to be here thirty November, though about three month really capturing
and the era in terms of the U S, and then you know how I got to found the guy to survive in that. So little
We, we went quietly reasoning, things too for the way that they did
so we re working both for a little while and decided to got him as I shall refer to the northern province and it was actually the province
where the? U S first, came in after nine eleven, and it was the first one taken back from the Taliban and if any one thing the movie struck. Twelve throng, I think call you play that there is a must
stop damn who was sort of heralding that fest group and he's someone. I spent a little bit of time with a couple of years ago and he doing in Turkey and so
we thought we were down. I would go and visit him again and do another interview, and then I was sort of this lot of hope that his forces com
and some other northern alliance leaders in the north were joining with some of the Afghan s commandos and
to be a viable fighting force against the Taliban, who will quickly taking a lot of the northern provinces Madoff,
an extremely anti Taliban, plaice,
wasn't like that they had any community support that they may have had she been other planets, is better in the south or along the Pakistan border, which tend to be a little bit more sympathetic to the Taliban MA's. I wasn't like that at all, so we went nor
I believe it was Thursday of the week before last and
didn't we got there and it was just. It was a vibrant city that I've got
to know in love in the markets are full and people were
Jane, and we were gone
going around in reviewing the shopkeepers, and I would say I find this a very have a very famous blue mosque and I was outside there in the park.
With the women talking to the man talking to people at a flat other northern provinces who were escaping the Taliban and and things about very full of life, and I'm I was sitting mandatory.
Think how is a place on the verge of being attacked,
by the Taliban age. Lonely for a thing to confirm that I thought will you know maybe everything's fine and I
in very close contact with a lot of my afghan security officials, who said no, there's no way bazaars ever going to fall, and if it god it's going to be a long way away. So I'm up.
but as being mash and then the following day Friday evening, vicious than with quite bizarre- and I was still went out with illustrates in so doing interview them things but
people around, and you just sort of started to see that there was something in, and people kept telling me shopkeepers, like they're coming alike,
you know, there's still a fair way away, and I thought now we re really get a push them back. You ve got this incredible fighting for a member today it will
just bizarre and I woke up and we went out and nobody
Paul lined up around the bank trying to get their money out so that they could ITALY, and I was trying to get hold of so many of my interpreters and fixes a thing to help me out.
story than everybody just get thing. Everybody left everybody's, going to cobble everybody's, ran away kind of thing and its attend our drive between design cobble, so
talk in, and I ended up finding someone who was able to come out in them
Some translation for me
I got into a cab and I started to see only people fleeing from the outside villages and they were coming into the city and we were trying to interview them and Edward Driving, along with very abandoned road outside the city and its cadran,
you ve turned and looked at me and he said I'm scared. I don't want to go any further. I said. Oh ok,
we'll go back, no problem and the entire
with that of a fire in it. He turned around me how this very bizarre big smile on his face, and he said to me, although broken through the front line that coming from this out, I thought there's no way
happening. You know that this crisis is alive yesterday and the afternoon
I'd have continued and message armor front. I went out to discover Katherine that which is not a soul in the street. It was really very airy and,
sat down alone, just looked at each other, when something is really wrong, something we don't know wage really, really wrong, let's go and there we are
hurried back to the hotel was saying, and just as I'm hurrying back through the street, I see it.
swarm of motorcycles coming into the city and that with the Taliban and they basically were able to come in
take over that city without a shot and so
We gotta made an interesting time and should uphold,
Immigration Way was saying and we were able to kind of look down and see basically
the way that they were able to come through and take over complete city and from there was kind of will completely
added an
you're, very unnerving, failing because I thought, oh, my goodness, what
So what am I gonna do next? So why didn't they fight
we're back while the Holly Mackay. Why did they fight
before I actually think that, before with the afghan russian forces commandos, I'm what I've been gathering in what they were able to offend me and also offends me after the fact when I, when I went back to them a narrow and hiding now, of course, run the running from alive when they explain to me
happened. Was that available,
We sold out when so, MRS, how corruption the afghan
even within the ranks and by the government in the military, and I really
but the? U S throughout this entire
patient turn a blind eye to the level of corruption, and that was a big fat yeah. We didn't know what happened was there
the deal struck between one of the top Anais Afghan National Army leaders in the area who was just appointed by God S, mind you a week before happens. He was
waited in and he and in a bunch of other kind of leaders, all struck a deal with
the with the Taliban in advance to basically hand over the city. They got their money or whatever it is, they got. They got to flee their own gone there, oh up into you'd better than a wherever they don't left the country. The
man- and this is what upset me most when President Biden, both with blaming the Afghans, are running away. These poor men,
some of them very young kids. Some boy budgets, young man, I should say some of them being a very, very fine. It will basically less
to the floor, that
They didn't know. Ideal had already been struck for them too,
Surrender made it known that body my gun
in their commander said to me. You know you got to forecast that afternoon and they would.
being allowed in IRAN and he said then somebody came in and told him that basically, everybody had left and he
said the morale. He just said. You know. Basically they would have told you guys just made around
the city is already being handed out that nobody, I gotta, tell you very poor
young men and women are fleeing toward the uzbek border, and then they forget there and dumping. You know
What are you know? This is a fair bit, you D, never having to dump their weapons and dump their people
and things and trying to get into two it back a sandwich. I think, had the end up shutting the border code. That was so the wound enable Lily laughter the slaughter, and I- and I can't blame them at that point- for wine to run away when they know that their own leaders on their side already followed them out now, and am I mean what what are you gonna? When are you gonna do about joint? You gonna run feel ass. Mewing
heading four, that not money for your country, anymore. Souls
the Taliban back
the Taliban says to you that you know hey we're, not the Taliban of twenty years ago we,
three minutes to finish the story, I'm so sorry I am glad to have you are so. Yes,
basically long story, so the only way we realise that we are actually going to get out of the city was too to gather the Taliban. Take us out there with too many checkpoints there's no way we could oppose out safely
so the Taliban tourism, very careful diplomacy, thank thankfully some really great fate. The partly people plasma is that council and bizarre was extremely helpful. We were able to forget it.
escort yeah and immediately the first thing that you and the Taliban driver sets me. He just got out a bag written to
very nonchalant? And basically he wanted to tell me you wanted to look at me said the governor of the government. I wished
could have been there and talk to me, but he was busy and then Sir said we're not the same as a lot of propaganda about us, but then I thought of them
We read through the line that I probed and I wanted to know what it. What are you? What is your future kind of Santa with very clear and they made
no effort to hide the fact that one of the very stringent interpretation of
Korea and sat down in a women were going to be covered and re stuck into the bay
when a man, you know anyone who do
we're going to get their hand cut off for their pretty bonds about that having
and tat. They were very polite
because I was a foreigner and I recognise that I know that my Afghans, friends and colleagues, and not going to be given this- would have to resign treatment that I receive piano and and that's what what sort of gave me, though, how I was lucky, but but that luck won't be extended by. I would love to have you back on, maybe perhaps later this week just to talk about some of your other experiences and to be able to because you been everywhere, you have seen the worst of the worst and
to hear how this compares to,
what is already happening elsewhere. What is coming for Afghanistan
Holly Mackay, the name of her book is only cry for the living she's, a journalist and war crimes investigator and
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saw
the the
have Ganny
robotics team, but girls on the
afghani, robotic steam and
She thought these kids are in trouble. She want,
help, get them out and she did so
How did this mom? Do it
We have on the phone with us now Alison hi. How are you
It's a pleasure to be with you today. Actually it's an honor to take this opportunity,
you so Allison, I mean so many people feel like I'm just a mom arrived. You know what a why? What can I possibly do
You didn't think that you just did it.
Well, I'm the mother of eleven biological children and minors,
girls are girls.
With one man by the way is saying good for you.
and then you know
met these? I work in the space industry in Washington DC after obtaining my masters at Harvard at fifty fifty five.
old and twenty sixteen while and then the doors I swung open for me to do you walk into this field. It's been, it's been an honour to work with them are
the brightest and and humble ingenious people
everything they taught me was failure is not an option. They'd make good science fiction, fact
and they aren't they are really unstoppable. I wasn't
it should be on a very prestigious board of directors that I actually don't even deserve to be on com explore Mars. They advocate in why
They see for human space exploration.
each year we have a conference
I envy see where we are bringing a lotta leaders to promote and to talk about exploration. We decided
would bring over these five
girls on the afghan, robotic team.
and then you must actually actually pay their way these
came and our goal was to allow them to immerse themselves in the space industry view to brush.
winter that you're not into dream big. I immediately got it had a connection with it.
Girls having so many daughters, and I think it was vice versa and
the things they requested address going to the White House
the employers Alison
Just wanna go to an amusement park and I'm right and so on
Let me raise the money about fifteen minutes for all these girls to go
and videos in there and- and they just said, Anne
making time you sometimes KGB kids project I kept in touch with them for a couple of years through time
and in December twenty twenty, they begin to request tabled undergraduate high school we'd like to come back to the United States.
Degrees and engineering. Could you help us with scholarship and we ve been
the groundwork in that area. But I woke up on Tuesday always third
with an overwhelming dreadful feeling that they were in great danger at this time. Nothing had quite collapsed year
or anything like that, and I thought to myself. I bet
but this must be a divine warning
I couldn't shake it. I tried to you and I
immediately began to reach our people to keep away about my back pay great. I knew I would have to find the power and influence- and I didn't know where to start,
guess with armed with encouraging a cause and a cell phone.
And I began to two for two weeks night and day- try to find
something I keep running into brick wall like a brick wall, a brick wall. We would go hot Mikey, something was going to happen and then you go cold war
in conjunction with their leader and mentor who is from
get a stand? Who is the United States, so she was working hard on
pass. It implies, and I was doin hearted, my u S area,
sometimes, when you have a dream and if nothing is working, you need to take drastic action. You need to do something wild and I decided I would fly to cutter.
That is a good chance. They might be flying their back to anybody
our government, we tried, India, we tried Canada, we tried a lot of different places that we just want getting anywhere
so on Tuesday, a couple weeks ago or a week ago I had a one way ticket.
and I thought well when I get there, I don't know anybody and traveling alone
I called I remembered. I have form a roommate in Washington DC a couple years ago that had been transferred their with military and I've, got it
ask her to know where do I e what
I stay. Can I go jogging in the mornings whereby, where public headscarves, what with but proper and she said what's going on- and I told her and she said
Do you know I work in the? U S embassy in cutter, I go. I had no idea
He said he. I have it here that I feel there I can help you see
for similar information at all prepared. It appeared all and presented. She stayed up.
Nigel back, the indices stayed up all night for midnight mistakes and pretty
this, and are you a few officials really jumped on it and began to alert
one the ground amiable and then.
the target, and I got the girls to the airport. Our officials were right on top of it. The whole way as linking the operation worthier poured in case. Something went wrong,
Somehow in a sea chaos of what the pictures you,
on eight million people, plus all the refugee, Morocco Sisco
Were evacuated and I didn't have to make it
he caught her by the way to be my friend said? No,
the current needed to stay on the phone
lay on the ground. You don't need to be flying twenty hours and the environment with these girls. So
and it was reported. I did fly there, but I think it was just a damned so anyhow, the girl for space,
Erin Cutter and am hassle
that government for stepping up. I will
you. There are a lot of very brave muslim countries that are our stepping up and they are terrified because they know the the
weakness of the West right now and they also know if their outed
they will have all kinds of problems from
Hizbollah ISIS in and you know out the new, AL, Qaeda, etc, etc and they're doing remarkable things. Just truly remarkable things
you're right.
To tell you Alison its
It's amazing to see- and
I can. I can really-
late entirely. Yesterday was not a good day for me and I at one point I said you know what it's just not supposed to happen. I mean
maybe maybe, because every single door is closing and
It may just not supposed to happen. Let's go into another direction and I stop myself and I thought that is so defeatist, no keep
moving forward.
it's hard, especially like you when you're completely alone, I command you
They ve been landers, nothing that happens in lesser team.
and then it was injure me ok, so I just want to commend all the people that were involved. What a tremendous
maybe I am and how fast they they leaped into action. Sometimes you think it's someone that full of power and influence that you're gonna get a hold of it going to do the job for you know, but he was your little remains of mine.
God connected me with and suddenly it exploded ended and
began to work, and I that shocked how one
willing person who cares guy for using it
it's really remarkable Alison, thank you so much God bless, I hope,
meet you some day we're not that far just down the street
We are- and I just want to mention and broke quickly if you ve got one more minute. You're. Ok here, because
media coverage. I've had over the last few days the cries for help from within.
Understand from women who in hiding,
rational women had been fired, who are being hunted who are being tortured before last night
killed and shot an easier, professional, well educated women, one beaten
at one blinded, I was back but I'll be back
ground at ground zero again. What worked for the girl tat? I help was not been worked to evacuate these. These people that are in hiding- and I said
last month in only one behind. How can I go
Maybe I better be twenty people and it was
two hundred and twelve women afghan judges in hiding Supreme Court that are there, and I ask My-
and your friends on the ground that are helping me and they said
They will be the first to die, but nobody but the first to die, because they have imprison men better,
people who were beating their their wives right and all those prisoners have been released.
these women are behind it and it was too
into our women. How can we help him? How can we help you know we ve got dad
former NASA General Council friend of mine working on
This, along with the Yale LAW school who are assembling all the data of these women, submitting all their information to state department. It's it's turning fast I've gotten extraction team on the ground
and I think that everybody ambassador to reach out to me over the European Union. It says I'm gonna find a silent,
he's only called so many countries in their work on it as well. So one thing I'm missing is playing a plain blanks.
you're talking to a guy who has twenty Elam? Yes
you get them to the airport. I'll need to have my team get in touch with you. You need to work it out because of the state Department. Everything else, but you get there
to the tarmac I'll, get the monoplane
gave away Americans we figured out, don't go in there. We do. Yes, we do. You
do the tarmac I'll get him to get em
another country where they'll be safe, and I just want to say MR
as it is either this message we need more time. We we need more time. Please give us more time. Thank you, Glenn Allison
you gutless.
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