New York Post columnist Miranda Devine, Democrat Georgia State Rep. Vernon Jones and Trump 2020 senior adviser Katrina Pierson debate.
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Gabbard in a way in which she
never recovered
Ainsley lets bring in our
political panel New York
columnist, Miranda Devine, along
with Georgia, representative and
lifelong democrat voting for
President Trump Vernon Jones and
Trump two thousand and twenty senior advisor
Katrina Pearson.
Welcome to all three of you
good morning
good morning
Miranda I will start with
you.
What do you think about this
pick?
Well, I think she is
formidable.
She is certainly the best of the
bunch he was thinking about.
She is there to slice away,
voters from Donald Trump in
crucial states,
North Carolina, Michigan,
Pennsylvania, Arizona
and her attorney general
credentials are important
because they will sooth the
worries of nervous voters who
have been horrified by the
violent riots,
and she is a she will now
pitch herself as a moderate.
She and Bernie and Biden are the
moderates,
but of course, their manifesto
along with Bernie Sanders. Just
puts the lie to that.
You just have to look at the
policies. They are bringing not
the soothing words that they are
going to be saying
Steve. We have heard a lot over
the last couple weeks about how
Joe Biden has boxed himself into
a corner regarding his pick,
because he famously said he was
going to bring on board a woman
and then James Clyburn of South
Carolina who essentially saved
Mr Bidens candidacy, pressed
him for a black woman
and then the Sanders wing wanted
somebody Super progressive, like
Elizabeth Warren, but ultimately,
ultimately, Kamala Harris is a
much safer pick for the
electorate than Elizabeth
Warren.
Well, first of all, I think
they should call flop because
she flip flops.
Joe Biden has the right string,
but the wrong Yo Yo.
She is liberal.
She will say anything she can to
get elected.
As you know she said, or she was
biased when it came to busing,
so he antibusing.
She also believed the women that
accused him of sexual assault,
and so how can you believe in
someone who is a racist, someone
who has committed sexual assault,
but you want to be on his
tickets.
That sounds like blind ambitions
over really the black community
and black voters. I have even
heard black women say that was a
bad pick.
You will see, I think President
Trump got probably one of the
best announcements yesterday
than he has had this campaign
season.
Brian creefn. We bring this to
you, no doubt about it extremely
bright.
She is experienced
in terms of the issues when you
go deep. She flips, because she
does not know how to answer,
because instinctively she has
to think about whats better for
her politically
and Miranda was being diplomatic
when she says she brings a
moderate tone to the ticket,
not really because it seems to
me black lives matter in
Chicago Seattle, Portland Alba,
CO, Workery, New Mexico, Miami
Florida,
they dont really want a
moderate. Do they
well? No,
absolutely not you know
to that point. Kamala Harris is
someone who called law
enforcement. You know the
equivalent to the KKK,
and she said this publicly
and thats, not a moderate law
enforcement. Yes
thats, not a moderate thing to
say, and Joe Biden clearly has a
pick that should raise red flags
for the Democrat Party, because
this just proves what the Trump
campaign has been saying for
months now, and that is the polls
are wrong.
If it were true that he was
winning by over ten points or
that he had the black vote
locked up, then this pick
doesnt make sense.
We are confident in welcoming
Kamala Harris to the race.
We have a wonderful opportunity
to contrast the Trump Pence
record with Thought Biden Harris
ticket.
We are excited to get out there
because our president has spent
four years undoing the damage of
fifty years of failed policy from
Joe Biden
Ainsley. So Vernon Democrats
are energized by this, but the
president is saying that she is
the most liberal choice.
How is that going to fair in the
flyover states and in the south?
Well, obviously, she is not
going to do well in the south
being liberal,
as a matter of fact were
trying to see who has the best
record on locking black men up
her or Joe Biden. At the same
time when you look at she
prosecuted people for both
misdemeanor marijuana crimes
happening behind bars.
That says who she is and what
she is
again. This is about blind
ambitions.
She is only in it for herself
and not the american people
again coming from California.
She supports these Democrat
mayors and governors who do not
believe in supporting law
enforcement,
as a matter of fact want to
defund law enforcement.
She is all over the place
she is flip. Flopping, like I
dont, know what
but were delighted. She doesnt
have a chance in Georgia and
other southern states
again. This was a good day for
President Trump.
President Trump has a better
record on helping black men and
women than Kamala Harris had
then Joe Biden H, and if this
story gets told
more and more african Americans
are coming his way,
thats what theyre afraid of
they thought by getting Kamala
Harris. That would help them save
the black vote,
but that was the wrong person
for that job.
To do that,
and so were excited to take her
on and take on Biden, and we are
going to see how much they are
going to campaign from their
basement collectively
Steve. It will be interesting.
I dont think she is going to
stay in the basement.
I hope not,
I dont even know if she has a
basement
but Miranda.
Let me ask you about this
now that Joe Biden has finally
made his selection, and now
people are going to be learning
more and more about her exactly
Kamala Harris. Ultimately, the
real head to head is going to
come when she is across the
debate stage socially distanced
from MIKE Pence.
How will the two of them do?
Thats right
and look? He is a gentleman
and she is an absolute killer.
Partisan
and you know she brings
charisma and a certain amount of
youth to the ticket that none of
Ther three men possess.
So I think she is going to give
him a run for his money.
But of course the real matchup
is between her and President
Trump,
because nobody thinks that Joe
Biden has it in him to barely
last his first term
so and she is ruthlessly
ambitious.
You can know that she is going
to be very kick to push Joe
Biden out of the way as soon as
she gets a chance,
so she is looking at being
president, not just vice
President
Brian whats. So interesting- and
I have always thought vice
president- is an important job in
my lifetime. In the beginning,
they were doing nothing
and now they have got
significant jobs,
MIKE Pence, for example, what he
is doing now with the
coronavirus and is in charge of
getting the testing going.
We know the vice president had
the Ukraine policy.
We know that quite well.
We also know he was in charge of
the eight hundred dollars billion
bring in katrinas point. Katrin
Biden wont finish his first
time. Thirty nine percent said its highly
likely
did Joe Biden just name in many
peoples, mind on the left. What
they think will be the next
president.
Well yeah.
Absolutely
this is what we call his
political living. Will, this type
of progressivism and activism
that you will see in Kamala
Harris
to Mirandas point people are
looking at the matchup between
Kamala Harris and President
Trump
and again. This is something
that we are absolutely willing
to do. Considering Joe Bidens
policies of implementing policy
that actually locks up, mass
incarceration of black men,
Kamala Harris actually enforced
those policies, in contrast with
President Trump and Vice
President Pence, who worked on
bipartisan legislation,
so again end some of the
damage that has been done by
these progressives.
So this is going to be a very
interesting campaign, considering
how our president has created
generational change for the
black community
running against a candidate who
wrote and implemented these
policies and a black female who
actually enforced them.
Ainsley Miranda. What do you
make about the media?
How is the media going to handle
this in their support for
Kamala?
Oh, you have seen it already.
I mean the New York Times is
just spinning the Democrat line,
saying that she is a moderate.
I mean your guests have said
she is no moderate,
but she is going to be very
good,
its all about casting their
message and what Katrina just
said is not a negative or you
know its, not a good attack
line for the Republicans, because
that is exactly the sort of
reassuring message that they are
going to be casting into those
swing. States suburbs, by
Democrats, horrified by the
violence and may have blamed the
law and order president.
She is going to go there and
they are going to their settle
message is going to be yeah. I
was the tough cop on the beat
and I am going to be tough once
out from under pretending to be
a left winger.
I can really do what I want to
do
so. Dont worry, nudge, nudge,
wink, wink,
its a double game
and its very clever and very
difficult to combat
its got to be combated in a
very tough way.
In saying that, no do not
believe these people, they are shape. Shifters,
they are shape. Shifters,
they are comedian. Come are not m,
they are not conservative,
they are not for law and order.
They are the opposite.
I think the facts speak for
themselves at that point, because
she has already supported
defunding the police protesters,
people ravaging cities. Today,
I really dont think that the
idea of what Kamala wants to
create is going to resonate more
than the facts actually
happening on the ground.
Steve as I started to say,
vernal none yesterday at this
time we didnt know who Joe
Bidens pick was going to be
some suggested. It could be Susan
Rice.
The president himself said that
choice is problematic.
Now we know its Kamala Harris
yesterday, the President said
that was actually his first
choice of who to square off
against
its interesting. When you look
at the history of Donald Trump
and Kamala Harris he actually
donated when she was attorney
general of the great state of
California, something like six thousand dollars
in twenty eleven and two thousand and thirteen and his
daughter Ivanka donated two thousand dollars
in twenty fourteen.
If she was so bad, why were they
donating money to her
one thing asking for money?
One thing run against him:
thats going to come out.
Everyone knows again. Kamala
Harris is for Kamala Harris.
She is not for the american
people.
She is selfish.
She is blind with political
ambition
that is going to get her in
trouble.
Im telling you right now, most
people can see right through
that smoke screen.
You know when someone mentioned
earlier about her having a
debate with President Pence.
Let me say this about President
Pence. He is a smooth. He is
cool,
he is calm and collected.
He has been in government and
Congress and serving as vice
president,
is he going to chew up in the
most gem and fashion, as you can
imagine, and if she comes up
against the president. Well, you
know what happens when
candidates come up against
President Trump, they get
trumped
Brian, so Miranda im really
im very curious to see whats
going to happen.
As I mentioned, she opened up
with that great speech with the
big crowd,
all that momentum and Hollywood
stars behind them.
She fell apart.
She wasnt prepared for this
thing called questions.
Questions on where you stand on
Medicare. I want to get rid of
private insurance
questions whats going on on the
border.
I want to give illegals
insurance.
I dont see any reason for law
enforcement.
Then questions about her
background when she is putting
people in jail for long term for
marijuana charges and jailing
parents when their kids cut
school.
So she had no idea how to
defend her own record.
Whats changed in the next few
months,
im very curious to see if the
cement dried on her beliefs
well, thats right,
I think thats her Achilles heal
is. She is a flip, flopper,
phoney,
no authenticity,
something not warm about her
women. You saw she did so badly
in the primaries. What did she
get
two percent?
She might look like the full
package
when it comes to people judging
her, especially women. I think
they feel there is no warmth
there,
so it will be interesting.
I think we will see how well she
is doing if Donald Trump ends up
dropping, as some people have
suggested MIKE Pence to Nikki
Haley just to shore up those
slices its all about the
numbers,
those slices of voters.
Brian, do you think thats going
to happen?
Do you think? Is he going to drop
MIKE Pence for Nikki Haley?
Look, I dont
and I have written against it
not to do it,
but I have spoken to people who
say that, depending on how the
polls are doing it, wouldnt
it doesnt mean MIKE Pence is
out of the picture.
He would get a good job,
substantial job in the
administration,
Brian wow,
still part of the team
Brian. It would be a disaster
if its all about numbers and.
Transcript generated on 2020-08-12.