Maybe she's solid smash our computers, office, Bastile and then start over or maybe think I would get me fired if you smashed or from any valid password or ignored that be like struck. One recycle, I'm you'd be allowed to destroy your computer, but they might give your pc as punishment he welcome to the five thirty eight politics pot cast, I'm Galen droop, the damn running for president disagree over how to improve Americans healthcare. It's been one of the devil, getting features of the primary getting the most time of any issue at the debates and a senator was with war and has become a front runner for lack of policy, specifically for funding. Medicare for all has become achieve criticism. So today we're gonna dig into the politics of health care in the democratic process. Well, I'm going to check in unabated impeachment news after another busy weak, among other things, acting White House chief of Staff, Mc Mulvaney told reporters that military aid to Ukraine was tied to investigating democrat

and then later walk that statement back so cured me to discuss. All of this. Are Aren't you need someone has gone. It's going well, Galen, also where this is senior I declare MILAN area, I'm good great managing editor microphone, hurry up, very good, happy Monday to all so we're going to discuss healthcare shortly. But let's begin with the IMF, for an inquiry and, in addition to Mulvaney, is press conference a few things that happened this week were, on Monday. Former national security adviser Fiona Hale testified that the White House pressured Ukraine to investigate the violence and that former national Security adviser John Bolton told her to report that for White House lawyer on Tuesday Hunter Biden said he exercise poor judgment in serving on the board of foreign companies, but did nothing unethical also on Tuesday vice President pencil he wouldn't comply with the White House Impeachment inquiry on Wednesday. Two thirds of Republicans in the house rebuked President Trump for his withdrawal, a true

from Syria and then on Thursday. Gordon someone testified that Rudy Giuliani was in charge of a shadow. U S, Ukraine policy and imagine us last, because maybe it has something to do with transfer relationship with european law makers, but over the weekend, Trump backtrack on his plans to host the g7 next year at his door out resort or Clare. So what do the events of the past week mean for the White House? Ass pretence repeats meant. Well, it hasn't been good. Firm alone. Bear me my money now. So it's not gonna couple France, the fact that all of these State Department people on a hill, Gordon Sunland, the fact that their testifying is sort of prong one of screwing. The White House a strategy. A couple weeks ago, the White House Council sent this note

Congress. That basically said were not complying with any of your subpoena. We're telling all of our people not to comply with your subpoenas. Well, a bunch of State Department employs complied with the subpoenas, so that's bad for the Trump White House on Justice impeachment strategy thing, because Whole thing has been dissolved completely unconstitutional and none of our people will cooperate. So that's very bad for them. The fact that Giuliani is reportedly under criminal investigation because of the Ukraine stuff is bad. Just is it's been a bad week for the Trump it house on a number of fronts. I mean, I think. Perhaps the John Bolton thing was the most striking to many people when he called Giuliani, a hand grenade who's going to blow everybody up according to Fiona Hill Job, golden is no level. It now liberal or I wouldn't call M sort of E normal actor A government key is a guy who has some pretty extreme

It is about any believes in the value of first strike, new killer attack by the. U S: he's, not a person who is afraid of perhaps going against certain norms right. But I guess that would be policy norms, but he was there a weary and told subordinate you should where of regional Giuliani in what he's doing here with Ukraine, because it's obviously screwed up and the fact that that he was willing to say that in the fact that this is all come out, pretty quickly does not bode well for the strategic elements of the House plan. Some of the news that came out this past week from DC didn't directly pertain to impeachment, but more relationships within the Republican Party did there were Duke of Congressional Republicans on Syria or Trump backtracking on the g7. Tell US month. Knew about the relationship between Trump and the GEO. P are those things that they always what have rebuked him for. No, I think there

evidence there of trump standing deteriorating among congressional Republicans or just more generally of his standing deteriorating so for one he backed down really quickly on the geese and summit, which shows a level of weakness that look. Maybe he always what have been weak enough that he would have had to back down, but certainly in this case, he they didn't feel they had the strength to kind of maintain that position, which is a pretty flagrant flaunting I mean it was crazy, yet it was like laughably flagrant I mean I didn't even get into the mic: mulvaney bad weak thing, but I thought it was particularly striking when this is after his his press briefing when he said that there was a pretty quid pro quo regarding Ukraine, but she said the president in a separate about the the G seventy set, while the president still thinks of himself as in the hospitality industry

She's a wild thing to say, because the whole point is that you are, post do like divest yourself of those interests and not to be self dealing and not to think of yourself as the owner. Hotels and resorts of which you profit. The averages up bad. I think Actually, the mulvaney news, I thought was the biggest news. Week where we were talking about and slack- and I use the term like forced retreat, which I think is what probably was originally meant as where he said. Essentially, oh, there was a quid pro quo, but it was to get Ukraine to investigate corruption in the twenty sixteen election right. So it seemed like he was trying to draw this distinction between hey we're just trying to get them to investigate corruption. Twenty thousand and sixteen not bite. In and not Democrats, the notion of Trump being sternly anticorruption, I think, might be a bridge too far to sell for people. But I might

slightly pushed back and say I think they're big story is appease willingness to break with Trump on some issues that are maybe not per se, but are certainly on the periphery of it or kind of tying like like a moment overall economic. Our debates that you can, I can get on about hey has always been this way. You can have Republicans dipping. At a time when the waters of criticising trumpet they kind of pull back. But I don't know I mean that Syria vote with a serious rebuke in the house. You, I kind of more Republicans openly talking about impeach all of us and openly, due to their have to retire from Congress, potentially quickly referring to afford a congressmen Lawrence this really. The third is there's been from Florida, Frances Rennie, who said I'm thinking about impeachment, and then a couple is now. She was not running for reelection, that's on a competitive district, but still you have people kind of dropping off the kind of thing

the political map, rather than having to support the president like. If you have to go out meantime again to your concerns, So by the way, public and centres in competitive seats like Corey, Gardner, ok, IRAN, even Joanie Ernst of Iowa are seeing actually one of its their approval ratings and it's one thing to defend the president on trumped up charges. Writer on the economy, whatever else right but like a lot of voters gonna think the presents contract on Ukraine was wrong. They the action on Syria was wrongly, except for paying for attention by foreign policy like to have to go out and defend the president again again when you have a kind of legs cut out Monday him and even Lindsey Gram, who has been very friendly to the president. Has again to say: hey the serious thing is really inappropriate and by the way there really were hypothetically if their ip and if we were some evidence of a quid pro quo that went beyond the phone call then- and I wouldn't you no good, can I ask it at a strategy question let SAM

I'm a democratic campaign manager to democratic strategist and this grasp of politics It be a smart move to play up to the american public, the danger that tromp has put the? U S the world in by d they blazing an. Of the world that has a lot of ISIS fighters and the fact that you know thirty one wants nuclear weapons like when it be smart to play up the very weakness Tromp has, with the Republican Party and sort of emphasised to voters One thing I mean, I know it's said in previous podcast voters, don't care about foreign policy. The Sixteen election and the primary, particularly with the tragedy of San Bernardino. There was so much attention paid to the existential threat of tourism and the way it was weapon eyes and politicized. I dont know if Democrat strategists. If that is is kind of in the culture. But to me it seems like a pretty

interesting weakness of trumps, and I kind of wonder what will be exploited. Obviously, during the debate they talked about it, but it was. It was sort of in the platitudes that I think politicians are key. Operating in, which is like even about basically like massacres of people. They're kind of like this is terrible. Trumpets, banding our allies, but no one ever really kind of brought it viscerally home, which is like this is ISIS, retorted Trump has destabilize world. You can almost imagine like some outside democratic group. We wouldn't we approve of himself or herself right. Some outside group running some footage with footage of ISIS, unlike scary Male voiceover windows adds like gets like fire impressions and Damone? I work at media coverage for like good a day or two on end, but isn't the problem that it's not as personal as it was during the two thousand sixteen action, because there have not been any terrorist attacks in the United States, wouldn't that

the equation change while there have been, but they yeah they haven't been. I made ISIS fired by from abroad correct trump. Frankly, experts, did a moment right. That Muslim Ban was a real infection. The campaign in it obviously followed on the heels of event that a lot of people felt the lot of dread about filter the crust about errors, but like it is complicating factor in that contingency that something will happen. We talk a little bit about public opinion and whether or not its shifted in the past week I mean it looks like it has an. Is it fair to say that support for impeachment has reached a ceiling for now. I think it fair to say that most of the low hanging pro impeachment support has now been picked. Actually are Monday, we launched an updated version of our impeachment pulse tracker that separated out before, because there was just not not that much.

We were kind of throwing all binary impeachment poles into the same bucket, our new trackers write em out where it do you support yes or no, the impeachment inquiry and then do support impeachment and removal right and support for the impeachment inquiry is up to just about fifty two percent. That's up a ton from right around when in Ukraine NEWS broke when it was at out thirty seven percent support for impeachment and removal, though, is a little where it's at again out about midday Monday, forty eight percent, which is up from about forty forty one percent, just one about Ukraine story broke, but it's not up as much as support for the inquiry and both numbers, I think, have have sort of flattened off in the last few days. I would be careful making too much

of the projecting the trend forward. That much cause. It's such a news driven story, but it has kept coming out re but like look, the default has been there. Hard for news to move the numbers on President Trump and run such other things whose numbers have moved pretty passed over the course of the past must a month. Since this kind of story really blew up. I mean it. You think rats or having, while these hearings behind closed doors. So there are the big climactic moments necessarily Things are usually pretty crazy for trumpet typical week. So the question is like the replacement, we call it in sport. Analysis were like the default, as already pretty high sea can have where there's lots of really negative use of the president and enough to kind of break through above and beyond how crazy. Last week was, or whenever democratic we have to decide. We had a very good act, one do, we want a still at act, one play out or do we want to turn to act to wear them. Focus measurements, maybe some more public here

he's right order. The feeling, ok, things are still so chaotic that, like let's let a play out for another week or so, I think it's an interesting, but I've been thinking mostly about impeachment as like, like a teller play, basically right the republican side has been getting a lot of action on screen this week and it's not good for them, but the one thing that I think that could, as Has undermined. Democrats in some way is like a lot of the big NEWS is behind closed doors. We get the standard pictures of photographs of these whatever state. People walking in an get these explosive quote, but as we learn from the past couple of years, the things that stick in the public mind are the tv things that big hearings, Michael Cohen, saying whatever right, but they could still have those I guess oh yeah, I guess what I'm wondering is. As a Democrat, you realize that a lot of these hearings have to be behind closed doors for awhile. What's your public strategy? What's your television strategy? What's your pr strategy? Do? Have policy get behind

podium do just policy on the news. All the time like, I don't think, that's her style, so I'm kind of I'm sort of interested. What the long term plan is for selling it. So it's interesting how much of the news the last week you had all these people testify from step department behind closed doors allotted news tat was coming out was like about the quota. Like shadow operation, shadow policymakers for Ukraine right exactly it was like essentially, Trump had had, apparently, outsourced You came policy too, like Giuliani, and this I state department- and there was- all this outrage on the left and right

in general. I am reporting on the left about that and I was sort of like how did this become the story? It might not be good for a president, a sort of like give the policy making apparatus to people who don't know how to use it, but it certainly within a presence power. So for a few days I was like. Why are they so focused on this one? They could just be Mitt making mistaken thinking that the general public cares deeply about who has power at the State Department. I think that wrong, but I actually think what's going on, is that not all Democrats are getting from these witnesses Democrat I I would bet are getting testimony that hit directly at the substance of the allegations again. Tromp, that is that he used his power to enrich his own political prospects and I think they're, holding off on leaking that now, because it's too the benefit to have an active, essentially

cute like three exonerate facts: Allah, the Mulder Report, YE, I think the Giuliani stuff is coming out because Jewel any sort of widely seen as being erratic. However, you want to put it and so the idea that the president was putting policy making into the hands of a person who was following a conspiracy theory down the garden path. Equally, I guess you know is supposed to Headed- is credibility but sure, but two point earlier, like if you're a Democrat but yeah you're right that the second. What's a second act, we drop rice bomb and here's the here's that whatever the Ukraine for example, an Ellen, of arguably self destruct behaviour by the president. I mean Gee. Seven thing was, although he rescinded it was very strange, it was vital. Clearly this is gonna, be no one's gonna be happy. Bout right: it's not easy There has kind of the ongoing angles that you would with Ukraine or Syria, but like why you do

Why are you kind of publishing this photo of he policy a new where all they can People in your cabinet are like cringing at the moment, right. Why are you publishing his letter you sent to Turkey? where you sound, like you're, eight years old. Why wonder? If, if tromp in the White House generally, maybe doesn't appreciated the extent to which things have changed from a year ago or two years ago in a day, the near times has this report out essentially that Trump expected Democrats to criticise the g7 choice, but he didn't expect to hear it from Republicans and that, once you start again from Republicans, then he decided to back and so it is. It did unit to your original question here. I think it is evidence of like his standing overall and with Republicans has deteriorated. So, if we're thinking of this past month, or so as the first act in this,

He spent inquiry. One of the things we were also keeping track of was trumps approval rating and we started off at the beginning of this process. By saying there is a possibility that support for impeachment go up, but at the same time tromp could become more popular. There's a little bit of a political backlash. Potentially at the start, we did see any of a backlash against the Democrats in the form of increased support for Trump Can we say about that now? So, as this taping terms permitting is forty one point, two percent disapproval. Fifty four point, four percent the Numbers are both a little bit on the lower end of what they ve been recent. Usually around forty two and fifty four However, that's probably now to begin a shift where we can distinguish it from its statistical statistic. I should not have known that word noise. Is it fair to say that there hasn't been a political backlash for democratic? Yet you could just where, where those numbers can ripple like well, the kind of

Several members and of its members might move together. They could also moving away where people goes up and so yet, like the fact that approval of numbers have not gone up is in one sense, get for democrats- they're gone down. Maybe I think like another week or two to see kind of what the trajectory is, The other scenario like a big backlash that helps tromp, is looking a little bit less likely are so, as is clear, By now we're gonna be talking about impeachment plenty over the coming weeks and months wanted to take a step back and talk another topic: that's going on in the democratic primary, which is this debate over health care is to spend the rest of the pot on that. But before we get to, today's podcast is brought, bye, honey ever buy something online and then find out. You could have gotten it for less it's worse than a bad use of appalling. Not to mention want that happens. You feel like you could be overpaying every time you shop. Luckily, there's honey, the free browser

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the advantages of embracing Medicare for all as a nation, wide replacement for private health insurance. Small question for Democratic Canada for a democratic candidate in this primary ok disadvantage number one. It's not popular with the general public disadvantage number two to pay for you probably have to raise taxes. Raising taxes is generally unpopular with the general public advantage. Number. One Democrats like it advantage number two. I think there is some advantage to being for bold. Egg ideas. Whether those ideas are popular, not opposite matters and is important, but above and beyond that, I think I think it helps to. I think it helps a candidate to stand for something you're authenticity score know on what a disaster on sea, like I kind of thinks so yeah Democrats like it, but they don't love it.

Right, not overwhelmingly yeah. I think that that Medicare for all, I sort of become obsessed with like the phrases and words that we use in politics that lose all meaning and I think Medicare for all his kind of become the twenty twenty tp right in twenty sixteen Bernie people, the convention, Raul, Anti teepee p and some and terrible interviews with protesters would say you know that the interviewer would ask them GINO Tp is the person wouldn't right? It became this totem and I think this really Let's do I just gonna wanna, say this apparent kazoo kind of what I've been thinking through in the past couple of weeks about this Medicare for all fight. Witches for a long time. Medicare for all was this umbrella for a lot of different kinds of plans with sort of different flavors of what the policy would be. All the Democrats kind of wanted some sort of public option, but there were You know varying degrees of will you eliminate private insurance right and I think

a lot of time the midwest the past couple of weeks, like I've, watched the debates I continue to think that the real challenge for a candidate like Warren, really. Is this idea of ok? What bends to people's private insurance, because if you, if you're, walking around a dinner table now, but now it's like a sermon. As a politician you're sitting down with eminence hang like. How do you feel about this? I think what they they too is. Basically, why dont know what it looks like? What does it look like to eliminate private insurance? United states do what it looks like it looks like getting rid of. One of them are just industries in Amerika the stocks. Your retirement portfolio are probably there, there are probably insurance companies in Europe for a one care wherever there thought of as these stable market places. You know that idea of replacing private insurance in whatever that the span of time think a lot of people will bring up. We know what governments cut.

He had doing things? So I'm not sure I believe this Obama Carol. I was really bad, and so I think what is the big challenge of ok, crap like a, but they don't love it. The general population doesn't like Medicare for all. I think it comes down to people saying well. This is actually a huge change in frankly, the economic I would say like sure in some ways of the United States, and it is a key. Which thing that I think people dont have a real grasp, a bull, tangible concept of what the hell does it look like when you say you, No, let me private insurance can still go to my doctor, Dwight awaiting line, and I think that those questions are unanswered. So So a lot of talk is sort of been about, oh how you gonna pay for it, but no one's really stage when you, when they have these healthcare debates, I haven't seen give a really visceral and maybe can't do this visceral like here. How it's gonna be to the american people, which is partially what politics is right, it just dressing up.

I do think the big ideas are a thing, but it is. In point. You do have to explain to voters. Ok here but it's gonna, be an Americans are small, see conservative on on this, Germany saw that with Obamacare, where a air was unpopular. Unpopular unpopular and then the moment was in danger. It becomes way more popular, there's, just a biased towards the status quo. I think you're right declared that if if worn, for example, Bernie had a compelling story to tell about hey I know that I know people are worried about this, but here's what it'll look like blob above all I think that would probably go along ways, although it yes point, it sounds, most of the criticism against Elizabeth WAR and has nothing to do with implementation or what actual kara coverage would look like. It has more to do with how to pay for its this point. Its cost and people feel like shit.

Obfuscate. In that you know she was upon the debate stage and I think people to judge did a good job but basically nailing her down for really the first time in a sort of grasping tv moment and say no seriously how you gonna pay for it. You have a plan for everything else. Why aren't you a plan for this, and you see is pull numbers go up, particularly in like an Iowa but without today you know all the things tat, play it about be careful, the single Paul, but obviously there is, resonating there and her team had came out and said. Last night, Sunday, night, ok, work, have a a plan for you guys in the next couple of weeks, but it in some ways. I very much your stand warns position from a political point of view, its don't get paid down by the Republicans with a single talking point, while you're trying to win a primary and then make yourself unelectable in a general right she's. She is trying to do. Ban the realm of the possible right? That's that's the tension between the overture,

window shifting moment in the Democratic Party, and then the general election and winning the Electoral College, where everyone's like were high. Gonna pay for it, and some of that is, like you know, You got a sort of speak too, like the coffee clashes of the upper Midwest. Even if you think that those people too much attention. Sorry, folks, like that's, how the Electoral College What we ve mentioned, whether or not its popular with Democrats in the broader public. I just want to lay out some pull numbers, and then I want to ask you name: it seems I was digging through some of the pole numbers in preparation of our conversation. It seems like they're all over the place and it depends on how you asked the question: what kinds of options you give people so here's an example: NBC Wall Street Journal Pole. Seventy two of Democrats, support Medicare for all forty four percent of Americans supported. So no majority amongst Americans at large pew got into the details and actually explained to Democrats. What Medicare,

all without private insurance looks like versus the public option, and in that case Democrats forty four percent favoured Medicare for all thirty. Four percent favoured a public option. Only a quarter of the general population favoured Medicare for all. In there scenario, then you have there's a Keyser family foundation, pull recently that showed fifty one percent of american support Medicare for all and that seventy three percent of american support of public option. So what should we, all of these numbers like some show that there is a bare majority. Some show that there's absolutely not a majority. How should we assess what the public thinks about its content? Our policy like option, is a popular idea. The idea of Medicare for What were you eliminate? Private insurance is not terribly popular idea and the therefore, all which people can interpret very city mean either option eruption, option b. You know that's more sensitive to question wording in the country Emily Foundation, pull for example, the say: do you favour

Oh having a national health plan, sometimes called medical for all in which all Americans would get their ensure a single government plan support for that is fifty one percent in favour of forty seven percent opposed in April. Fifty six percent in favour, thirty eight percent oppose. What's change is that people now may realise more that, like that, involves not having access to your private insurance or to plan you're looking at, and so when you provide clarity, then ending private insurance thing is. It is a tough sell for people and for on time, Medicare for all deliberately kind of one to encourage ambiguous, that term to create a kind of perception of consensus and like a now you which inspires which Margo then, but then someone who like took advantage of that Latitude Pe British she kind of said. Ok, I'm not really clear on what my of care plan. Is it's probably a poem. Corruption, maybe its single payer, but its automatic over also, ok and then I was

the baby kind of comes out and is against the sky there's version Medicare for longer. It isn't. TV show called sneaky PETE Wikipedia offence, the, but its immediate action That Buddha Judge saw, as has read the tv tea leaves the same way. Closure and Biden have, and frankly, like Michael Bennet, who wasn't Bates stage for a lot of reasons, but there are a lot of Democrats, I do think who are channeling. This thing of people to start gonna buy into this to me the paradox of the medical care for all thing, and like very progressive Democrats supporting What's so interesting is so many people. Maybe not just at so many Americans think that the government is broken and incompetent and the idea, I think the dear that, then you would have the government take over something. That's actually the tangible, hard sell. Is convincing Americans who have please letting trust in all of their institutions, including, like all government institutions,

getting them to say, like yeah government is going to take over the insurance. History, and particularly like not to bring up the Obama thing again, but the Obama Marilla was notoriously disastrous catholic Sabellius, fired over it or whatever step down after it. I mean was not well run and Obama was, you know reportedly like live it about the roll out of of Obamacare and cheer point actually video haven't even gotten into the conversation about implementation and coverage, it's only about cost right now, many for costs according to gallop pulling for the first time since God started asking question for two years in a row a more american say that their taxes are about right as opposed to two high, which means like maybe even more sensitivity about what you're talking about, then there is about the actual taxes who knows yet so that tax pulling did as it is a little trick it because a lot of that is republican, saying their market with their taxes in the wake of the Trump tax bill. But the pulling does show that Democrats are more and more

going to say there, okay, with their taxes, going up to eight for healthcare. But am I wrong in thinking that, especially as war, and this is a joke. Election liability much more than a primary law for sure if I think, foreshortened targets both here, because I don't think it's bow with mimic. Let me his earliest means. She got beat up over that in the debate. Words like Bernie, exercises, clear leadership, she got be ass. She got attacked over in the debate. That does mean attacks were effective like ok, so one those polls show that most Democrats about seventy percent, let's say support Medicare for all, even when you spell out hey, it's gonna, take way. Private insurance right to Paul shows them as more and more willing to let their taxes go up to pay for it. I just think that did ability. There isn't on hey how are you gonna pay for it? It's about hey, you're insurance is gonna, be taken away. It's about

limitations, and even then I think it's just much more general election, then yeah, which I think is. Is only right no need. What is your you're saying that it's a potential liability for the primary? Why? Because one way that you can lose. The primary is because, like can get squeezed by, on the one hand, if you're a real believer in Medicare for All and you think, they're private insurance industry stinks healthcare system stinks than you probably think Bernie Sanders provides much clear leadership on that. If you're, someone who is afraid of was private insurance? If you concerned about Elect ability, if you just like the idea of having a choice, then your candidate is mere peep or Biden or club, which are even anxious back in the middle a little bit on what should be a signature Two for a candidate who has a big kind of policy focus I mean a thing. It's very bizarre that she hasn't head hasn't had her own healthcare right. Let's go

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What the democratic candidates are trying to do here is basically to the american public. This system is screwed up these drugs. Companies are making a lot of money, that's not fair use me pay as much as you are. We want to fix the system right. We want spanned your idea of what is possible, but practically ethics, Zog and change and for years- and I think probably a lot of Democrats might think that do, but they just want to get the country rolling on a certain track right there there track. That's we, what Elizabeth Warren wants to say right, but can you say that? Can you be that vague legal, like my question, is after rambling, for while what Elizabeth weren't gonna release and what would be politically smart to release as healthcare plan in a few weeks. You released a plan that was Ike in Ten is when companies I would like a longer time might make people feel better. Like is the agony of work. Is the idea of like your world will be right?

we differed in four years right leg is that's what does that? What speaking people out in fact, she's already been pretty exports it? When people ask her worker priorities are she's the first to think she wants to focus on if she were to become President one is a corrupt. Belle and two was the wealth tax. Actually, so neither of those Healthcare, and maybe she watched, Obama, struggle with healthcare and so learned from that, but you know she's actually said opposite. She doesn't want like its entry into healthcare right when she gets into office if she were to get it off. Well, it's interesting because that's kind of like the reduction of the two thousand eight campaign, all over again rate, like Obama, gets into office and their systems I'll debate within the administration, which is to expand our political capital on a big, like infrastructure recovery bill that is kind of like the new deal. You know four for the post crash thing or do we do it on healthcare and they chose healthcare right while they did. This to me was first now but like like we're, gonna build this in America right. The idea of going out

look I just wonder if the kind I come on Harris Powerful has been over interpreted in the context of Warren So I think people ascribe a lot of meaning to Harris stumbling on health care and dropping the pause. And maybe those two things are related, but maybe not, but I don't think we had. We just don't have much evidence yet that warnings, healthcare position is hurting her and she could do all this stuff. We're talking about to blunt any potential damage it does I just come back to in the general. Will this be approved, sure I think so in the primary I haven't seen it yet I mean there is. Maybe some room and between a public option and Medicare for all which you Countries around the world, where you have insurance, you and,

is also have like supplemental private coverage that land I good product, placement bombs from that I've got the can visit us at the f like. But, like I'm surprised me, can I come out with like ok. What's like good canadian model or something rubber yeah, you can buy insurance for fur your things right, I'm anymore than a few things. Unlike its part, expensive and not a gray, but if you really want it, yeah we're not going to ban a you know we're not gonna prevent a doctor tourists. Have you transacting to you in like in a capitalist country as a consumer rights, but the main way insurance is through this public system right, but yeah but yeah. You know when I can afford to go away. A lot of this is the caught I do. Stan why Americans are afraid or tentative about american process? I just do. Of course I mean it's, it's like you know, I think, often what Hap what happens when people live in

you know, sort of the highly politicized. What Social and work circles are twitter. It like you, get into this thing of like yeah everyone's on board with this, but like a lot of people, dont are again as always a lot of people are turning into this stuff and the idea that, like more democrats for the first time in twenty eighteen said that they, that socialism was a better system than capitalism to me, that's crazy, like that's it. That's a quite striking statistic and the idea that like a lot of the population is kind of like I don't like the free market system like this is the way I was raised, like the idea so many of us, if, before of a certain age, like you know, I'm in my early thirties, like being a capitalist, was always I'd like a thing where you will again barracks capitalist and now I feel it there this generational gap, a true generational gap when I p who are younger, millennials urgency, where it's just that total rejection of The moral value of capitalism in this

that is so so striking and to me so much the product of two thousand eight that it comes this kind of odd people are talking past, each because the assumption of what the best system and what the best market is is completely different for a lot of sounds are all Clare, I able so all people of my generation that we think of socialism differently than we ever questioner. Exaggerated as point because There are some policies that pertain to the you know: wealth divide and some scepticism about capitalism, there are quite popular rain. Elizabeth Warren's wealth tax has a majority of support amongst Americans, so why is it that Democrats are spending so much time on healthcare costs, as opposed to any

the other areas that they could focus on that are not as derisive extremely good question. I think it's because healthcare became a litmus test for the left. Word shifted the party post twenty. Sixteen, it was a party that had buyers remorse about not to. Bernie Sanders seriously and soon twenty seventeen when he introduced that Medicare for all bill. Everyone said Helen, Bernie were behind. You were with you. We see you american voters, and we understand you like Bernie. We understand you like the system, change and we're sorry. We chose Clinton. It is completely a stand in for how left you want american society to be? But, as you say, Galen there are other things that they that that they are proposing free polish trade like, but this wealth tax, which is then the wealth taxes, the new thing: it's warns value at right, that's herceg, Bernie thing was healthcare. Her thing

is the wealth tax? I think that I think I said this on our debate blog. I think the idea that they opened up the debate with questions about impeachment enters, wasn't that that's not good for them necessarily, and then they moved on to healthcare, which is a divisive debate. I think a lot of them probably do think that the better line is to attack billionaires do you think it's tactically unwise for democrats refocusing so much on healthcare generally more popular the moment- that Trump won the election and that kind of his slightly complicating factor for a lot of democratic yeah. I mean yeah, you kind of wonder of deep in her heart of hearts. That warrant could just which take I just in it point on the whole healthcare thing. Do you think it's tactically unwise for democrats refocusing so much on Healthcare for Democrats before I think Medicare for all fraud is something of a liability for Democrats and I they were a little cute with the kind of phrasing and ambiguity around and maybe the lumber and it won't necessarily played to their benefit? But you know it's kind of people expect from Bernie.

If you're, gettin, socialism you're sure as Hell get national health insurance bright. So it's like you're getting it voting for Bernie you're gonna. U that's not a surprise with Warren. I really wonder what the warrant campaign thinks deep down about the effects. Sanders has on perceptions of her and whether she benefits from the perception that centres further to her left a lot at stake. You're right, not just centres, voters, but also down the line. You know this podcast thinks that warrants that are shaping sanders near more likely to have a case where he asked and Cyber endorse her way around and that could be significant factor so complicated maybe I mean, what's a term like sister soldier right. You know, you know she could say. Hell. Yeah Bernie, I'm a capitalist, they even compassionate capitalism. Where we actually are going after confessed

can't we last met his is the? U ripping off of compassionate conservatism. I you know we have now had lunch in this pike us we're taking their than usual. She could use it to appear to moderate and they establishment and show her like debility. She could say not. This is a bridge far from actually. I am in favour of a ten year plan that sort where the public option and transition to vague, vague, vague, big vague. What would happen if she did that lets say it's a fairly tailed plan rights, not quite the headway be, but they plan that is not meant to care for all is kind of like good supervision. Early super duper public option. With some triggers, I could yield medical condition away from the employer, Bas insurance system and which provides for a supplementary coverage, but little him, maybe about part like what would that? What were the reaction, be, though, its cure, her yeah ironing nobody else recur. I she's in, I think she's innocent but if a bind

Michael. I didn't think so. I think that much of power is really it's like symbolic, and so why? Brain has enough credibility, I'm being anti establishment on being bold, I'm being for structural change that I think she could survive a zagg when some people expected zig it sorted depends, though, I wonder if the timing of it would depend it's interesting to me that they delay in delayed and delayed in doing this, and I wonder if they delay a little bit more do at some time in, like December or like dude over Thanksgiving. You know- and I made a couple weeks could be Thanksgiving green visa shearing pressure until recently, warring had no reason to really kind of do. Anything but like issues deigning, I think was who said like you know your name:

when every week and adds up to being a runner by October and there's still time to go clearly hey. The campaigns being covered has shifted the way. The amateur reacting to warrant has shifted. You saw in last week's debate ripe and she is getting worse. Certainly now and sometimes that entails? Maybe your numbers flat line a little bit fortunate for her. They flatland in place where she silly need game anymore, ground to be a very proud competitor and the raised, not like a you know, mere PETE bounds that flattens at it percent or something she's all the way up to twenty five, but I think she can Think now, ok, what's going see, I mean by the way, also kind stories like in the debate on The debate found that people thought she did the best job now they are, Why are the most going in our second? Most after Biden, so it's not surprisingly thought you did a good job, but that's my point: they don't Ah fling about it hasn't really, but has to be half the time we spend on this programme mica is like is their inflation

things are always the same, like I just feel it does, he like there's so this other came up, my god. This is like a like all. Russia thing I want to see the next year of my life unfolding in negotiating between. I would you like is everything the same or is it inflection point? I called a turning point in our election point. Actual wheat Michael. You keep saying that the waffling has been fined and that's right off being vague on health care policy has served its purpose up until now, but now she said, she's gonna put a plan out for actually paying for it. That's where the risk comes right, like the a fling and vague, wasn't assets. If the plan isn't about waffles, if plan doesn't waffle likes someone's under your your I'm waffle, south, so good. I now do you and your assuming that hurt the plan. She releases include a tunnel specifics and boxes are in evermore,

and what I'm saying is, as Nate laid out earlier. She could really supplant that. That is like the green new deal, mark that very broad has like a set of goals and like it's a framework but doesn't actually have like here's the specifics that cunning, yet in the same way that every republican plan is so just like oh yeah, the economy will grow and that will pay for this. It'll could be like Medicare For all who want it and not the worst, assuming everybody's gonna want it. You know something like that enters a year, I wasn't saying that it will necessarily be alive billion. We think it's a writ sorting to find out like whether absolutely absolutely but this, men about whether it hurt her to me, informs what you should do it the plan right. I think people in this comes a lot conversations. They seem to take it for granted that it's horrible politically. That warring has not explained how she's gonna pay for it. You know everybody knows

and what has everybody now that shall have to raise taxes to pay yeah she's she's, following on predicted, among the conventional wisdom has shifted according to on that. Our friends indulge us how much so she is down to four the one percent she was too high and predicted began with a mere paid up to seventeen percent on predicted and turbines at twenty percent. That means people but people to judge and Joe Biden have almost the same chance of winning. The predominant wish for doubt is. I predicted also thinks that the following people have the same chance when the nomination can't tell me Edward, might blooming income or Harris like it come on this campaign has not gone necessarily wonderfully so far. Would you rather have a few pennies on Comma Harris or Tulsa Gabert become democratic nominee chocolates had pillow blood sugar? I thought I'd rather, Harris has an order of magnitude greater chance of winning the nomination. Then Gabert can we,

Firefox all right, and I think with that. I don't know where this went, but clearly unlawful son Did you go see the half post story about the accounting firm? That did it a training? and how women should act in the office in it was huge success. But said that men have waffle, brains and women have pancake brains. And what does it meant that pancake brains, broke up all the syrup and get distracted by the details, but waffle brained, a cave man brains, can soak up some Syrup of blood, godly impertinence, yeah set of really sexist. Its idols parity almost like. Don't believe that this is a real thing. I highly incurred people to read it talks about how women's brains are smaller and like

this is very clear recommending that visitors, the via Baltica, has read an article about how women's brain threats my wish that I think we're endless. That's hopefully in all of that. You learn something about healthcare and what we can expect about the politics going forward. But shouted and also allows a warrant is going to release her plan, so we will answer one of the main questions here: eventual a tv, tbd mate. Thank you. Thank you. Thank eaters. Could you tell angrier, podcast unusual for the hangman, He was there could tell that my brain was smaller. If so, leave a regular review. A five priority review that should get people read us well written five start, please pretty five star who, having when angry I biggest brain on this planet, who is the largest head, My question for the scientists out there does your the size of the EU,

it says, indicates brains, eyes, Doyle, basically, the same size. Grain queries cares just over like Cindy, my my very until it for knowledge. Nineteenth century they're going to make it into a called open, and thank you MIKE. I thank you my name is Galen droop Tony child is in the control. Room are in turn, is Jake Arloeux. You can get in touch by emailing us podcast at five, thirty, eight dot com. You can also, of course, treated us with any questions or comments if you're, a fan of the show, leave us abrading or review and the Apple pie cast store or tells them about us. Thanks for listening and we'll see. Her