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so as soon as you are grumbling or coughing, her will be doing clearing your throat. I was clean. I might throw clear clear my I'm. I made it quite clear. I was starting the show and I heard them. Can I say something though you sounded like you were gonna start at like four times, but you didn't so I just thought you weren't. You never know when I will strike that. Oh, my god, what is wrong with this that was real. This is a mess. I was mad. Goarly sneezing is mind out and you got the yet you ok sniffles just so much right now: let's get outta this chamber together we're broadcasting for sphere in LAS vegas yeah. Maybe it is time that we take stock of being on the editor, and I know what we all do: our own little tax, because you clear your throat quite a bit yeah there you are and what you just did right now when I say it begin a sentence that yeah Do thy lad. Listen! I do them on purpose. I go

that's my way of letting be sound, engineer now, they're about speak, it's a little cover the word out. Isn't that right at archidona and guess what another thing? I think that its shows a lot of forethought and planning on my part. Do you know how how much work that is. I take all of those why I put this on purpose we met. Has it took two? He does a lot of places, pops plus, if you have to do a lot of places and then it would have had to take those that that's probably alive and ward o. Also you just stink too high. yeah yeah yeah, just I mean I don't know what it is that comes through the mark. I know we're excited about our haven't. You got ensures that all that's just not cool, ok, yeah

tried all at once. I would, above all, do our personal things that we do all at once and Eduardo your did yet, but you're armpit the microphone and at one two three go. You come before. I begin. I go is that right- and you just go out well you guys are at one. tried not to do that anymore, that make your life easier, olive oil or maybe a subsidy. For something else. so anyway, I bubble but see the audience, wouldn't even know that this is an issue. Is there never in the final product same what the throat clare I got. No, really I try to clear it off my you do not you may get more noise. Like sometimes do I do this or that I carpet my elbow. That's nice yeah. What do you do gargle with fava beans before you get on? I don't know why I do that. I think I talk incorrectly speaking speaking shut up, I'm sorry that was

that was me. I think you're, ok with our there, if it's a put its did, No, I think I speak incorrectly. You're supposed to speak from your diaphragm dislike appear. Well, I, our guy, where one is ones I don't have to take out. What does you can leave these in? I wanna keep an eye. That from now on, because you were very hard, making sure that this product- and it is a product, goes out to people for free for some reason, is of the highest quality and you work hard, removing our little ticks? God knows why the listener fan isn't hearing, maybe for this if vernon, her talk, episode, which I have not yet edited I'll, leave them all in and just just for a tastes. Just so people can I wouldn't do it. I think people will hate the podcast

might be sued by Verna herzog. It's possible he's got some of his own, takes the accused me of being quite insane several times. it uses everyone. It be your enveloped in madness. I some yelling at a toad outside the studio permits, are told enveloped by insanity and magnetism MR hurts to come in? Oh sorry, are you mister to read it I am going to do that I can be a little more professional dewey have buttons that we can push like delay buttons or a cough, but I'm not you not. Why don't? We have those, because I recently recorded something at a sex m studios serious sam, and they had all these cool buttons that were quite helpful and I thought ha these stoning

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and made a coughing sound that all the time all the fart button. Oh my god, I love apart by just hitting that They do not admit show that I was wait until I can today we're talking to danger the dench or dame judi dench. Such an incredible without europe's. Why, and I am getting all these sound, a bit buttons on energy, just as I am never during that hot? Yes again, they beauty, judge that got million listener and your movie went through the roof. Then had we back instantly into the files that farming I want to buy get me by the king demands are far too. I want buttons. I want levers. I want all kinds of things I want to look like www. You know we started a bob. It do you remember bob. It's that way. That has all those things is basically like a kids toy, but you have to a kidney goes. I woke up remove anything I only allowing oh, my god, what a great pot cast you would have. If I

that being the yeah I'll be fantastic. When you looked uncertain, right. Well, there's no transition here. I also need a transition that now it help right now that well my guest today It's a legendary filmmaker! Oh man made over seventy films, including grizzly man and fits Corrado. Now has a new memoir entitled every man for himself and god against all he is revered. He's esteemed, is a true artist. He should not be here. I'm excited, though, that he has joined us from our hearts. Welcome The burner, you don't know who I really am and so you don't really know if you could be my friend you dont know what kind, of course- and we have seen each other- only weapons camera.

rolling and we haven't hit the bars we haven't been in high school. Together we have raft- a downer chunky river, and so yes, yes, yes, I understand that it's gonna be harder for me to become your close friend yet Israel's tat men in half an hour an hour of being together, but that's fine. Let's try our best. What about if it were to exist? Would you say five hours would do it or are you talking it would take, maybe more than more time than either of us has laugh- is actually has happened in my life once or twice that I became but instantaneous friend to somebody now I played in a soccer team which was her best. In peru at the time. Yes- and I just the condition training with them, but all of a sudden when the head of the table

please playing against team, be there was one play a missing in the coach said you play team b, we position. Would you like to play- and I said I want to play against one of best in the world was in their team. You must vote it s, one of these best players in the world. After the world championships guy got into a speed freak. I try to give him problems in vienna. Stick it and after ten minutes didn't know which which direction we were playing yes, I put my mail, which curiously worthy confounded confounded me bamboozled me. There were so exhausted after ten minutes. That actual all of the field in vomited in some pushes for an hour and a half one guy pulled me out on my legs in time, to me, and he says you did well, you played against one of the best in the world does met, I feel defeated like that, and we were,

and in simply how so it wasn't what the soccer player the username around no, you became friends with the man who pulled you, don't like wild vomiting this exactly so. That's a guy who you could instantaneously be friends with, but colonel brian, no I hope that you start to vomit at some point, in this. You know you and I will rescue you not well we'll see drink. This well something in there. What I'm going to say something else. What do I call you, because I have great respect for you when you called me word: okay, last name: is it verner with a Well, will in in german, don't try I'm going to try no, it will be too too rough. Tough, Ok, I won't do it for now. Let me say that I know from reading your book which, by the way we just give the title of this book, every man for himself and guard against all

Thank god. This isn't a children's, but can you imagine saying ok little timmy itself, go to sleep. We're gonna read every man for himself and guard against. Ah well, yes, I dont think that boy would ever go to sleep. That's a tariff, idea, but I read your book and you described of his a bit of a loner. Do you have a big circle of friends or it under your natural way? No circular, real friends is small, in very intense? Yes, the only Probably me said I live so far out in that's los angeles My friends I in peru, thine germany. They are in india. Yes, there in mass sicily so that its debts is at the heart part of it. Here's a question to just occurred me. We now have this technology that really exploded in india, zoom and everyone,

is saying what's fantastic, because I can keep up my friendship with people who live far away. I have a problem with zoom. I dont feel like I'm really communicating with the person when I'm on zoom. It doesn't feel. I feel like something essential is being extracted from the interaction. Is that possible totally although I use it, but I use it only with people who might know very well so but I have to refresh the physical contact with them. I want to embrace him. Directly once in a while to love with a member to a meal for them. Yes, so end. And then it's ok that, due to one or two zoom cause some time. Himself business soon cause they have to be made because there is somebody involved in a project too, is in

strangely, as somebody who is in the united kingdom in london and I'm in los angeles and it's very hard to get together, I'm trying to imagine when you would create and I was thinking about your whole body of work, which is mind boggling. There are some the times. We have put yourself in extreme positions as a director and I'm thinking that you couldn't just sit still in your office and beyond on Zoom. You would. to be on a raft floating down river. Peru battling the elements on your zoom. While everyone else was talking generally mean that you it you were in a hard slog would have to be. That does it feels like that would be the kind of zoom you would want to have is to put yourself way out there. No, you have to be really out then saw miss belong somewhere else. It's a it's different world in. Do you have to me good decision. Do you want to use it, for what purpose is up? For example, probably the last held out to doesn't use a cell phone

I have a cell phone, have a cell phone no but turn cultural reasons, not nostalgic, say I want to derive may enter ex nor made knowledge of the real world in in direct contact with the world, the most intense would be travelling on foot, which I have done is a quote. You said it broken it really stuck with me? The world feels itself to those who travel on foot yeah. It's him Morton to you to walk and see things in real time. It's not just lt I mean you, I unprotected when you try on foot- and I don't mean backpacking with your own hole, sold on back here, your tend to sleeping bag. Your cooking, your utensils in town, m and m, a lazy bam like everyone else. I wouldn't sir travelin unless there was

existentially important reason for it for employees are able to travel on foot when my men to her mary the woman by then a D s. We should had fled nazi germany on the day when hitler, for power and she was in hiding in france. Steering second world war and nazi regime in sheep kay my men turned, was very important and when was dying, I said I'm not flying I'm not taken the train. I am not going by car come on foot, a thousand kilometers and it was early. Snow storms entail and rain, and whatever and sleep under breaches, sometimes sometimes in the hay of a bar in nor I would open migration home. That was uninhabited with her some sort. tools, surgical tools without breaking a knock. I can open it and close

taken in sleep in there soon and she was out of hospital by the way when I arrived in she earth and crowd of eight years later, when she was eighty eight, probably eighty eight, because we do not know exactly how old ships came she celebrated her? Seventy fifth birthday at least this may be three times normally. Women start to cheat about their age much earlier, but she had. Seventy I've been celebrating my thirty seven thirty, eight years late, She summons me to paris, She said to me just over cup. Of terror You know they're still dispel upon me. Then I must. not die. You put that spell on me old. Now, I'm almost blind. I cannot read books which It's the joy of my life. I cannot see movies, which is the other joy of my life. I lay may can barely walk so

can you lift the spell of of man? said: okay has its lifted. And eight days later she died in. It was good. It was right she had put me in position where had become independent. Strong and self. Confident, yes and ensure you just name it. It's a beautiful story. You touch on your childhood, which is not of this meeting Clearly not of this century, but it feels like yours. Your childhood could have been four hundred years ago. You grew up and poverty Rapid this I mean you're born, as you say in the book. At this, moment when fortunes are changing for the german army rod in north africa rommel is about to start losing and the germans have invaded stalingrad, which is the beginning of the end. So, but you grow up in this great tumult and terrible poverty

and you say that you weren't, really aware that you were poor other then you were hungry alot Yes, that's when he really know your poor enter. My mother would have a loaf of bread. One low four made two brothers and me and her for people, and she would make a drew for each day and each of us had thin slice of bread per day, but normally by friday. When who s? How hungry we had it now loaf of bread and we help she would find something somewhere. But sometimes it was always so sad. day sunday that was averse to when there nothing so I remember that very well, inter We were wailing and tugging at us curtain She spanner, I remember, very well for that's his spins around completely from post, but me

anger in despair in her face, and I ve never seen before after a comedy she says boys. If I could had it out of my ribs. I would cut it out of my ribs, but I can't so you shut up and they made a big boy. Impression on me, of course, but many p they have grown up, hungrier were approved, there's nothing wrong about their future, ringlets, it's me easier than for further parents. When mother can feet the other children anymore. That's a real, often thing it centres cause? I've been thinking all of your work and ah What comes up so often for me- and this is my interpretation and so much there's been some discussion of your work. But why there's an iron will that you have, and I'm wondering with these film productions, which are you know, impossible to pollute

fear in the jungle. Its things are collapsing, your main actor, how's kinsky wants to murder you you want to murdered him all sounds impossible, and yet you always keep going and I'm wondering at his fat move ship over amount. You haven't finished. Rather you have to move a ship over a mountain, and you ve made work about how difficult the work was, their documentaries about how impossible that we reject is and what I keep coming back to our a couple themes and one is: will iron? Will and I'm wondering was that something in your. pinion is that in your soul or is it in your genetics or was that something that somehow was the product of having so little growing up? I think not a correct description to point it. I am, will because can dissuade me from from my will with a real good argument- and I do that do I really do that.

I knew I could move a ship over mountain in the jungle. It can, turning down you. I would be able to do it, although nobody believed in it anymore. You you'll become very solitary when that A hundred people around and nobody believes in it in the next town, where you can buy a torchlight battery is a with kilometers away, so become very solitary, but it's not. I wouldn't call. ireland will it's it's a very, very clear vision, very deep vision in me and I knew moving a ship over amount would be a great metaphor, something like moby, dick, yes the white whale, something embedded deep in our soul, in our could If so, probably- and I can articulate it. and all of a sudden everybody understands, although

I must confess metaphor for what I cannot explain. no one can have their own interpretation, because Many them all the way we ve all in our lives. We ve all. We ve all pulled. Ship over mountain sure, whether and when I say that I mean we ve all battled with something that most people thought what I can't be done I'm curious! If, when I look at you work, I think, did you have you seem very solid, the whole I'm. Even during all this insanity in chaos, you seem very solid. I think you have a good ask a good poker face, or did you feel true despair? If this, if there is only a mask, it's it's good, cracks in it would become visible. That is lee posing right. You have to you, to have it in you now. So what can I say the test

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The sometimes you just have to be ruthless and there's one board game you can play where it's okay to apologize for nothing, see, I'm a guy that doesn't like. apologize. So I like a game where I apologize for nothing in the world of the monopoly game. You can do whatever it takes to win even bankrupt team grandma. If you need to its all fair in life is, was the monopoly game died, bankruptcies? My role yeah, I see her assets yeah and she was not a good time didn't go over well, oh it really yeah. That's yeah grandpa thought it was funny, but grandma was respond to I mean you're trying to make money, not friends, so experienced the joy of embracing your worst self in the way that only the monopoly game makes possible as the game bring. a competitive duplicitous side to that you never knew existed well, good, its healthy that site out every now and then in a safe fun way. What am I

happily game help you become the best it being the worst. Keep an eye on your competition should not be surprised if your partner cheats is the banker there also doing whatever it takes to win and if your child flips the board exasperating they're just make an elastic effort to not officially lose the game. Who can really blame? Have you like? You would do that? Oh I flipped the money a play now apologize later, I was fair monopoly. Monopoly is a trademark of well. There's another theme that use you love to explore, which is madness. It comes up again and again and again- and I was noticed, It even came up with something you're films there's that lie between someone being obsessed and are they have they gone mad? Have they lost control himself? You ve worked with people who could claim

we'd be called mad if that's a real clinic diagnosis any more when you did your documentary encounters at the end of the world and you're in antarctica. I remember very clearly there's a scene where you're looking at the penguins and you start to wonder: have they gone mad. Least one at least one has there one penguin gone mad, but I thought would want so I went all the way to an article and he's looking at penguins and he still wondering about madness. It is it right that that is there that that is it a true. That's a theme that you like to, try and mine or explore Yes, it's not only madness, but a state where we can be out what be and ourselves like an ecstasy like her religious mistakes in the late middle ages or it could a penguin. I asked a penguin region, she never told he has not spoken to anyone for twenty four years. So I said it- will be the first one and I

tell him some things that is never hurt. Why do for example, a species of ants creek it colonies of slaves of some sort of life that they, milk, fur droplets of war droplets of sugar. Why is, and why does a chimp not saddles the goat and dry, off into the sunset of Rarely have monument valley yeah. Why does this happen you say insanity among animals, not only among people. Insanity among penguins some, because observed a penguin that marches right into the country meant and its five thousand kilometres of fur of ice in the mountains and there's no way to turn the penguin around. You can do that and you shouldn't do it by the way. But you can turn it around. It will immediately stubbornly march into his

es into the interior of the continent, not to the water, not too the colony so what is going on and I've been fascinated by this famously much discussed. it's so riveting? You had this work dynamic with fear durkheim can ski and there's something in it that I understand I Stand because I've I've watched all the films. I've watched, the documentaries about the making of the films. I've seen him completely lose control I've seen him in real time people who on the film plotting to kill, kinsky kinsky, plotting to and threatening to kill you you pay. Two, and I am I swear. To you that what I'm saying is true right now. I've worked in comedy firm, nino forty years and for thirty of those years. I worked many times out in the field making comedy under duress in strange conditions,

and I've wanted to kill people that I've worked with one of them's here not happen, but I've, but I've I've been in I've, got into an altered state at times, I've been hungary and cold and we need it get this shot and a lot of what I do is somewhat improvisational and I need to improvise something and make something happen and I've you have. To do. I have to deliver something, and I do so. there are times when I have gone. I've gone to another state, and am specifically of an episode I did where we are shooting in italy, and it was late day and we were exhausted and suddenly we had to shoot a thing were hunting for truffles and I just I've started her eyes, to lose it, and I think I lost my mind during the truffle hunt and started helping around like a rabbit, know anyone watching it might think

I don't know, what's happening with conan, or maybe he's just doing this because he thinks it's funny. No, I really did lose, lose it and have this kind of me this, but I also understand I'm kind of in love with it. I've this does part of me that is attracted to it and of or what you were doing multiply that by a thousand your work with kids but when you say afterwards now we were brothers. If it's too most people that would seem impossible that this man could be screaming at you and abusing you and you yet screaming back at him, but no, I understand I understand how you can go through that with some one, but also cherish that bond. Does that It's hard to describe it in my book I described quite a bit of about it number one day, sir side to all these switches hilarious number two. I've never lost it. I cannot remember, did. I ever lost it. I've always be the car must have come in such

so I say you don't lose it yeah. He would scream at the native. People in the in the rain forest and they would huddled sit down because to solve the conflict, very quietly, whispering in whispering wastes and they came, the words to me and one of their chief said to me. You know I am river afraid, but don't you believe We were afraid of this screaming mad men. They were free of me because I was so quiet tiger and- I really meant business indian in moments Real confrontation, kinsky understood, been explained things very very calmly. This is impermissible. This cannot be done. Training is a task that is beyond the two of us. We have to stick, wait or else in We know that this, or else would mean she would be a dead man.

within thirty seconds flat. I didn't have to spell it out. You just did, though, You don't think that's what you're doing it now, you're doing and less, let's put it. Let's put it simply: yeah you have to We have to have it in you to stop it yeah, no men don't into understand. Yes, you do not do this you're, not we kill each other, its abuse, If your script, yes she's outside of the movie to the script, is not Otherwise you end up. s role and I've made no films on death row, and I know that every single one on death row that I met Men and women were only a step away from what I am, but almost all of us are yeah, that's true. There. a human human beings.

It's interesting cause. There's this new movement. That's me scots lately and it was written about the other day. I think of the new york times, which said: if you when dealing with someone who's out of control or psychotic. They save me A grey rock, become bland and very, very sort of almost this interested and they say the best way to treat them so had you screamed back at you. Ski, no note and and and entertained, and tried to meet him scream for scream. The whole thing would have blown up by staying almost inert. As you did know, we have a plane crash. And only garbled messages in our camp. We didn't know exactly where was it how many p it. We was. A sign was coming to this film shoe to our films to our set transporting extras. and I tried makes sense, but it what it was in kinsky at that morning. We, sir coffee

in all their hats in tis. He must allow one because we alter their line of would be first and last, coffee was lukewarm heat, it just lost it over it and he kept yelling and screaming. For now, I love foaming His mouth at mean literally have not exaggerating screaming at the top of his lungs. Close to my face that cows- and I tried to it- claim Klaus there's a plain down. We need to understand what the radio the guard with radio is transmitting to us. So in finally, I couldn't get rid of him. I went to my heart it wouldn't little piece of chocolate, very good chocolate left and I stood right in his face and eight to chocolate. I was too much for him because chocolate was the most lighted with the camp. Yes,

my last piece of chocolate and heat he just. fell silent yeah through here. Yes, it's like you, you can't you shut down. The computer just went to the asses, went to the apple logo, there's nothing. He could do it that moment, yeah aye, aye aye, its passing, because you ve done this? very intense and end beloved work. explore these intense themes, but because famine notoriety. Your also being asked to do these other side projects which are very popular in popular culture. Youth Ben asked on the simpsons. Yes, more than once mental, nor a lorry, the mandatory nature, yes jack reach parks and recreation, and I'm curious Were youth, how you reconcile because it

a chasm between b in Peru, your life, threatened by a madman trying to make this magnum opus and then you're on the set of the simpsons or your with yoda on the mantel orient. What is is it? It must be quite fascinating to imagine the trips you ve taken in your life. yes- and it's- I do not want to miss any of that, because I the simpsons, very fascinating in ten And and and a lot of anarchy in it, and when I was invited to speak a role I immediately set, do they speak? I cannot believe that I thought There were only like comic strips printed in news papers, I never seen it and I think, met grown, who started it. He said to me: don't don't you know since twenty for years. We are

on tv station on the singular tv shows of all time around the world. I did not know that did not exist ass. I asked for a dvd to show me a little bit so that I could see how here, how cartoon the voices would be they actually sent a few of them to me and in they said you don't mean we cartoonists just speak review. X and its wild enough tat, while the diverse so day. I acknowledge this, really really enjoyed it didn't work I and good at that, and indeed jack reacher. I at the bad guys open fire the have huge assault, dreyfus, they swim they shout the yellow you they have fist rights. I'm the at the centre of evil? I have very few fingers left. I ate them in their good.

To avoid being sent to the term a lead mine and lose my life there and I'm lying. I for one am blind eye and I only have my voice to spread terror in a calm voice and when the villain, sir, the sub villain, whom a mistake I tell him, you can get away with it, you're, really determined. Not to do that. I can you have to eat you. This as I do it as I did it. he tries in, tries and very calmly encourage. He may say that was that was already good. You know you can do it just try harder and ended Oh frightening, that when the film us out friends of my wife in paris. They come times they said Lena Are you married to that man

I know we're only one night flight away from you. We can give you shall I say I knew I was I that's. That's my best know best reward the mandatory and there's so much secrecy around them shoot. What was that Experience like for you will see creasy went so far that sir, I had to say the contract fulfil huckleberry finland met, delorean it listening to you had your costumes, you couldn't leave the studio unless you put the big nick all over you and you are not allowed to speak about what what's going on inside. So I understand that because it such a worldwide. phenomenon and a fan, marking outside them hedges refer within cameras in trying to snap a few photos sower, but but they expire in service was very

very interesting because some five row Who is sir mass, made behind all this, she invites did me. I was always invited and never compete a train. You pardon me if I was in there, our decision and he apparently loves They films and laughs. My writings- and he wanted sir, to make me ass a person visible for larger audience in the world that sick, I, who did of these things, and you see, We are speaking about my films and may acting by term equally important, I think, he's writing, gender very, very beginning. I've been a writer, They started out riding when, whenever fifteen sixteen and I published my first books decade go in there early seventies, and they are still constantly being repressed it reprinted, inter keep saying and its basically

deaf ears in it will fall on deaf ears it is here as well. Time is on my site. I keep saying written things my book, smith proves my poetry with old problem later. We will have a longer life. Then may films will be remembered for my writings knots much for my films. You write beautifully you you're you're, a terrific and supplant writer and your writings very lyrical, and I think that that can travel through all kinds of changes and how people experience, entertainment, probably more safely enduringly. Then maybe film can so, I think, that's possible books are mature. Apples been movies that system sing, but it's it's it's a fact you can. You can see it in I've always loved to write poetry into you see. When you look at my memoirs people, I looking for let's say, content, what

during this period, of his life. It's not I'm not like not an encyclopedia of my life, it's memoirs and its problems. It's very, very intense right. getting. I write freaks all of a sudden in this every man for himself and court against all I insert five ballot of the little soldier I was once in their nature. Don't ask me, Sir child soldiers between and deliver men? I mean tragic, tragic, eight eleven year old, with weapons with weapons and in warfare some of them, whom I filmed were dead three weeks later you'll have the monfils my idea of boy and jelly looking and with a catastrophic tragic, life behind him were his parents were killed front of his eyes, and he decided

to become a soldier warrior but and all of a sudden there five ballots The little soldier I inside the is when I travelled on What around germany I followed. the simulations of the german border to help country together when it was not united. Yet to myself. Politics has given up so it's lay the poets who can hold it together and night, on foot around my own country, and I am writing while I'm walking in some of the most beautiful Intense pro said I ever wrote was on that travelling on foot or walking in ice. When I travelled on foot from munich to paris when things were essentially

essentially somehow reduced to two a pilgrimage tour to a big christ, not the joy of walking. Of course, I also enjoyed it. I knew I knew that's her and I'm not superstitious, but I knew when I arrived on foot not eisner, would be out. hospital and she would live in. She actually did and We believed it was because you put a spell on her. No, she said that jokingly yes later just before. She, though, every all you had that ability- and I was going to ask for it before you go- ask a safe place before you go one more thing. I'd like to live to ninety eight and then I'll ask to see you again. That's gonna, be albion, a lot of pain, there was a revelation in the book that I find interesting because you're such a thoughtful person- I don't your mind ever shuts off, you don't believe in therapy and then,

cautious about it, because it hasn't done no good to know when I can. I think it's one of her monumental mistakes of the twentieth century, among many others, the big here socially utopias communism fascism have led to to be disastrous. Overpopulation our planet and you just name it destruction of what What nature is all that's started really in the twentieth century and of the things that are one of the great mistakes of the twentieth centuries. Sir to analysis of course started some decades earlier, but it really blossomed in the twentieth entry in turn. I do believe that the twentieth century in its entirety was a mistake and going back to well yeah

co analysis, I can give you a parable when you move into a new home and you illuminate this home too. Very last to reassess its in corners the old lights. Everything is illuminated. This house becomes uninhabitable and human, being sir illuminated to the darkest none of their sole become inevitably say didn't quote snow and term you should Be careful what you do. Of course, there are key they tell clinical. this is in you, you better! Do it but turn this. Mass phenomenon, yet to think that everything in europe a balance and in your soul engineer nellie tee and so will be solved. by psychoanalysis, I do not think it is a good approach.

It's funny has I think it's it it's a by product of This obsession and you in los angeles- so you see this now in the twenty first century, in LOS angeles, there's just succession with I want to eat all the perfect foods. I won. Make sure that I get all the perfect treatments, I want to achieve this perfect state of balance yoga classes for five years old five year, out ben so easily, but about but with a great defender of LOS angeles, everybody now rightly sent everybody says I in los angeles, do you think you're the so glamour of los angeles, but everything in the that, in the last half century somehow set the pace in the thinking in the trends of the world without a mean being completely trendy region, Eighty two year the internet was born here the into

and I ve seen the place where the first contact was made with ruthless in service. reusable rockets are being built in in the parameters of this to tea itself. I mean a southern outskirt, but southern part of it very all day. great painters, art seen here, the heart seem very bad. Not young york anymore, if it was only fifty these are so now they are here the writers Imitations. All so the of crisis to pillage he's crazy sects in law known in line skating. His fine butter different or hurt socks lists of, what's in and what's out, what's hot and what actually I'm very much beloved by skateboard so got yes, a community skateboard haven't much right, yeah, yes, in their own by sight in time on this because the futile

tea and the insistence tried again trade I can try to, can you will do this jump up onto the re onto the railing off now Duncan s. Now I am too old for, and I've done, ski jumping ski flying and almost almost died in doing that, anyway, you you do you do the wild stuff when your young butter and that those easy things also come from here: region detained day. The heavier worldwide repercussions ate it inter No other city lay does it happen? in chicago and london. In florence, in more by you. I in buenos aires snow its lesson less the wonderful to live in a city where all these, happening all these things

happening. It's a very vibrant community. I guess what I was when I was you loved her participate. You left No, what's going on so you do some things that may be your typical person might think. Verna hurt doesn't view you watch the carnations. very very few, but I to watch to trash tv like let's say wrestle mania nuclear reactor is like her nerves up enough about madness. Yeah, let's talk about it. I don't know, but it is very interesting because it's a very clear Food forum of of drama has judged, and it's it's a drama said are not in the fight itself. The fights, interrupted by commercials, meaning that are not in that important, but they No, the franchise shows

up in the in the ring his wife that's wife in a wheelchair and blind? and he has three free sexy women in his arm and and re it's against his wife in the wheelchair All of a sudden, you have a forum of of drama. going on a new form emerging, apparently probably s, crew is ancient greek drama started out in the fifth century before Christ. So I watch number one. I think the the poet must know close his eyes avert his eyes. You, to know in which, well, you are living z ever now. Yes, yes, and- and I and I've Nothing against! let's say once in a while it's isn't there any more here

suddenly bubu yeah. That's my favorite the way said it is gonna be be a meme whereas no, but but but very fascinating yeah. There's something something deep about about society that deep about something about the american tree, dream goes arise. Somehow, and I I can see how the american dream is function functioning because I've been in, heartland of amerika? I have worked in wisconsin, in louisiana, iphone in south carolina, I've lived in pittsburgh with a guest family who pick me up from the street. When I was homeless

without hesitation. I was part of the best that america, I can give you the term I think much of the political, chasm between left and right, due to the neglect of the of the centre, the heartland of america, people say I are there the fly over us, but they live in Boston or in seattle. I, in los angeles in new york, and I have you ever been in with colleagues, you know, but I have work there so end and I find it. I find it an outrage that some of the best of american very good people living there. Of course, under wraps send it in the media with much less action access to education under without that out max

two to the american dream and in this is Why you have such cotton Now, yes, I say why: why don't you contact, your old school bodies, tell them about doing it and be interest in what they are doing what are they thinking? What are they doing? Put them on on your radar? They know their around and you like them and you like are, I do like wisconsin and they do it. No, unfortunately, to very few would know you are very prolific in europe. It's your film work, your writing. What's the plan now what what? What? What what ex couple of years well I've written a screen if a story, that's long in me and I described in my memoirs- it's called bucking fostered

to the great title slip of tug mia and it's about twin, so Does he identical twins. I spoke in unison and we have had twins. We know. Sometimes they divide their own secretive language, but these twin unique. We ve never seen or heard of anyone else, and I was very close, contact with him? They can unison when they the door- and they said up- please come in and do you want to have a cup of tea? They can be rachel, iceland rehearsed, but they would answer a question that they could not expect in unison. There was a court case, some some a truck, I have an ugly purple faced truck driver heads and a restraining order against them and a court there were allowed two testify the witness stand together on my god, but it's a iron principally few. I encourage you conant

will testify in then inexpressibly nell testify and then the next person there was enough, exception they spoke in unison because they they would be terrified and woods unravel end. and start shouting and sound and trust. dream. They shouted to the top driver he's lying every word. He saying is a lie: he's lying under oath in there simultaneously the bucking faster he is lying, They both say the same mistake at the same same slip of tongue. In the same moment, even that I need to reveal that Sonia has twins yeah. She shown us video, the cameras of them communicating with each other before they could really talk. Yes and they are having fallen it. It's nonsense to us, but you understand it. A full on they're having a full conversation. I don't understand a word of it: it's fascinating to watch, but

separate language. I do not speak in unison now, I didn't make up, I said: hey, Girls as it I said girls, even though they were not girls any march there were in their early, forty suddenly turned he says it to them. I let's go to a restaurant and they whispered with each other making up there. spit in unison and they said, are now a restaurant daddy's wages in tuxedos and inside now, let's go to efficient chip place around the corner, it would be more than a speaking immune listen to each other and then there yeah. Let's do it so well This coming out there's only a scream plates and financed. Yet it's not shock yet I'll. Give you the monies with that would be nice, but I have a do you well, I have tens of thousands of dollars, so about your the famous story about you is that you stole your first camera,

you didn't have a camera and you stole it and I actually I love this line from the book you say I refuse to think of it is stealing you said I was exercising a natural right to put the camera to its entire Did you use I thought that is actually a fantastic rationalization of, but also it makes perfect sense, but you and so many limits, and I wonder of hurt if you went into a black hole- and you appeared today as a young man, your early twenties and you have iphones here and you have computers that can laptops that can edit. Ah, how different are the films they completely different films. Are you now homes wouldn't be different out? No, I don't think so. It's it doesn't matter. I should it when celluloid. When I started thirty, five millimeter celluloid, very clumsy, expensive

took a long time to make a film much longer than today, and yet with ie. Clear vision that I had to I've done, one film after the other. I've done a. I don't know over seventy films by now, and I've published at least ten books, and I have acted in at least twenty films and I have staged operas, so it wouldn't look different. If lucas writing a book, whether you write it on a laptop longhand, thus make any I for this ben of wonderful treat. I have spoken to you before er. Yes, I remember I do thank you for remembering, and I do love the format, because in the other format I could talk to you for a seven eight minutes about grisly man or nine minutes, and then thank you very much when herzog and the ban plays and to be a commercial yeah and

and this this format enables me to have. Kind of conversation with you that I've always wanted to have so it. it's ok. I have a feeling when I walked in here- and I knew this is your new home now and you ve, created it faces I would have advised at that time in conflict with. Was it b, c one, but was the who can remember yet embassy why? Whatever it was here by station. I the fire. They move on yeah. If I didn't quite have that money in its I'm still dallied segment, maybe I'll be hitting you up reacts about our talk them. You real out. My welcome you have you will out, sir out brilliant Damn you lies outside the men. You will out out talk them, you have to stop gap. You know better

funny thing is, if you just if you love the work, you're, ok, so it doesn't matter what the platform is. If you the work and that's what I was so inspirational about. You is, you were not raise with the silver spoon your mouth you weren't sent to you know u s c film school at a young age and given a push, internship theirs the reason why you should be a prolific amazing filmmaker you had you didn't see a film, so relish if lay in your childhood and no it sitting emails, you ve never existed and yet it was in you and here, we are, and so I think, if you're doing the work- and you have things to say- and you have to but you need to say the rest. take care of itself. I believe that that's stay encouraging and I will walk out. Here, ten pounds lighter yeah

salute joy, Verna herzog. Thank you so much and the book I just want to say this is a fantastic lovely book, every man for himself and god again all a memoir and a very special memoir cause you're right. It is not just recounting what happened a b c d, it's a fantastic dick story, but also you to fall and poetic and words. of your time. So thank you, sir I Eric is number one motorcycle ensure is ready to ride. They offered coverage, your bike, starting as low as seventy five dollars per year and they keep things affordable. This counts, like paid in full multi party, see and responsible driver get a quote today: a progressive dot com to see. If you could save programme If casualty. Insurance company in affiliates premium is for state minimum liability coverage rating discounts not available in all stages situations.

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and then there's this guy who the guy who runs the hotel. Oh machine mcshane, but what's his characters name in John with movies, I forgot idea will come up with a continental, yet the hotels called continental well in this the continent? hotel? Is the white house? Ok, its run by winston, so Abraham lincoln- was a british guy, played by ian mcshane and I yeah and he's the one in a sort of watching them ground and really not doing anything, just sort of sipping Italy's I'd Abraham lincoln, not doing sitting around watching the these armies. These massive armies of John spite each other and going and so it begins? Ah, yes and now it has begun, and just and seems pretty ineffectual and doesn't really do It should all the unfortunate that's lincoln, except she did do stuff, wrote amazing spy.

His gettysburg address, boring you losing him. Okay, okay, civil war was started by the killing of a dog. What happens is the south killed our dog and then the south called it's dad and said: don't worry it's some asshole. I just killed his dog and he went what you killed the north's dog and the job the john weeks from the north came after the john waste from the south.

I'm going to get a lot of mail from people in the south saying no, they killed our dog. No! No! No! I just said I'm from Boston, so fuck you anyway. All these John wicks are fighting each other and it's absolutely insane and it goes on for four years and you name it antietam cold harbor, you Louisiana! Oh, oh, oh, oh they're, fighting Japan, just steps in Japan, they're fighting! You know, oh at around the arc de triomphe and when there's no door on the car. Yes, John wicks, leaning out and he's firing, it's so fucking cool alloys there yeah and laurence fishburne is there and that's a little bull run and yeah and the car yeah and then wow, oh man, and then every now and then Abraham lincoln thinks about his wife who passed away a long time ago and he's really sad things about that and that's mary todd lincoln what she didn't pass away in real life. She lived in. She was crazy, batshit crazy and I spent a lot of money. I've really lost it all the time, she's so hot, so hot yeah. But anyway that's what happened. It's just incredible. You gotta! You gotta check this out John wick, the last four years yeah, the Conan O'Brien needs a friend with Conan O'Brien, sona, movsisyan and matt gourley, produced by me, Matt gourley executive produced by Adam sax, nick Liao and Jeff Ross, a team, coco and Colin Anderson and cody fisher. At your wolf theme song by the white stripes incidental music, by Jimmy vino. Take it away. Jimmy are supervising producers, aaron Blair and our associate talent, producers, jennifer samples engineering by Eduardo Perez, additional production support by mars, melnick talent, booking by Paula Davis, Gina, battista and brick con. You can rate and review this show on apple podcasts, and you might find your review read on a future episode, got a question for conan call the team coco hotline at six, six, nine, five, eight seven, two, eight four seven and leave a message. It too could be featured on a future episode and if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O'Brien needs a friend wherever fine podcasts are downloaded. The.

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