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after rogers went down five minutes into the game. You just tweeted good bye and they didn't respond attack. Really now I was saying it was like market. Since god there is our markets, both shrines god. There is our side. Now we deal in today thanks for having me on the shoulder, really care about you to have me on now. feel justified all of my melodramatic curse. Talk, I'm sure I'm sure I feel similar to how you felt in two thousand to two thousand three. You know with the ox and feeling anxiety I feel had, I feel, even worse, actually because they one for a variety of reasons, but we got a chance to see like this is a really cool, fun, exciting team and they I dunno we're superbowl bound, but it's easy to imagine a world in which they could have been superbowl bound, so yeah. I feel I feel very bad for him. That's I think that

The revelation from last year was that bracelet, like ninety five, men of where he was last year, which I was not expecting, he was a weird fantasy football guys Wednesday gonna be a hundred percent is gonna happen. So the fact that he looked like that almost The rogers thing worse as the game was going on if it was impossible to feel worse about it because say: oh this, guy's like a guy again yeah, I even at the very beginning of the game. It's stupid to knit pick the first foreplay calls, but I was. I bother really throwing a lot coming out of this game. I thought the whole point of this season was to actually use the running game to power rogers. Obviously, the injury is a freak injury. Nothing could have prevented it, he's their player. That oh line is obviously problematic, but it was painful, actually watching breeze play so well, because that could have been really the focal point of the office and then air rogers needs to be competent and then this would have been a really competitive team. So it's like I'm legitimately depressed about it.

On the other hand, I tell you what I really don't like about it. I feel it. This weirdly sets them back for like another two to five years, because obviously best case scenario. Gonna get three years out of aaron rodgers, more likely one and a half years, something like that. Out of him. Now it's like whip. Where is this team with all of this talent? They have a bust number, two overall peck, that's probably gonna play for right now they have a thirty nine year old re having. So even if he comes back next year and besides, he wants to play, rogers is going to be forty and there also weirdly. Can it be too good to tank so their net, not gonna, be in the top ten of now loaded, kubi draft. So I guess they just have to hope than another. Free agent hits the market in the next three years. Like is what its weirdly a generation said, injury in the first five plays the season, so it devastating all around you somehow get your first round pick back. They don't because he didn't hit the seventy percent

Yeah look man he's thirty nine years old, and this is this was always concern he didn't look back at last year in their excuses, for the broken thumb, hard knocks comes in, is in great shape, but is still unknown. qb and it was still to me like a pretty big variable behind the offensive line and expect them to get hurt in four minutes. I I was Power walk around our land. I came home and I miss the star the game and I turned it on and two seconds later he got hurt and you could tell him sat in the turf that it was bad, but I was like what's happening am I like a man it that I'd like to get mugged knocked out, just imagine in this. I was this a real thing, that's happening, and then you had towards that. Whilst com, which had there been among the first hours and jets history right. I I don't wanna be too strong about this, but I hate sack wilson, like I hate watching him play football hate hate like I. Really can't do this this year, I did say to my wife: while we were,

watching the game in the third quarter, that if he is there quarterback this year, actually just will not watch like I will now. The season and then they won in stunning and exciting fashion and of course, look I got robes back it like. It was kind of the worst of all possible situations you lose rogers use. all the talent on display and then, as soon as the game is over roberts. Allah says Zack. Wilson is our starter, which, like I, we saw this did they literally showed us this movie last year, its seven intent him and Zach Wilson is the least fun least competent quarterback in the nfl. So I just they have to do something they're, saying they're not going to do something they have to do something bill. I dunno what it is bring me toby preset bring me anybody, but Joe flak owens act. Wilson like I just I need him to not be the core back this year. What's spin going to be with that was that was him. He got the the three months he spent with rodgers really turned the corner for him, because you know they're going to be spinning forward like it's, not two thousand

When you do that anymore, he's a different guy did do. Did you see the obviously? There is a normal zack wilson play, which is that when you huh labels to the right means around and forget about it ass. You did you see the manning cast during that there are now so Any lie were there's a clip out of that moment. When zack, you know, hikes upon runs backwards. Twenty yards. Campaign manning's faces like this is disgusting. How bad this guy is. This is deplorable how bad he is at football and he's a hundred percent right like it is. on acceptable, there's zack wasn't learn nothing we! What we saw yesterday, he threw up a pass right across the middle. Feel right into map albanos hands. Does he couldn't realigned backers the same guy last year like you to learn anything from aaron rodgers. Now, maybe in two years time upon the thing under him? He could have learned something: that's very possible. It's been six weeks. Will he could about there's no way learned anything I also just. I don't actually think he has. The brain to be in any folk you b and

so I would love for them to get him out there as soon as possible. I'm genuinely nervous that they're? Not going to do that, I'm jet and you must be thrilled. I mean this isn't incredible for the patriots, it's huge for the dolphins, I feel like dolphins. Fans must be hearing after seeing to a look the way that he looked and now this jets, it is loaded with talent is gonna have to struggle to get some eight wins, so they they just have to do something. I cannot let you can't let Gara wilson not to have a sound. Your decent, like you saw the catch last night, the keys, an unbelievable player outside, unlike grasping at straws here they have to figure something out. were there? Is that moment when, at night in the last we're minutes when it was clear, they were just exact wilsons that throwing another pass in this game and if we just kick a field goal and give them the ball back. that's fine, but where these getting three points and they had it was too afore laughed heavy until into morrow two minute warning and the bills

just nine guys on the line for replying some other jets are still running a little bit on them, but Wilson's. Just by himself. I'm elaborate is like that one of the three bastard recently, but he's one of the best sex or one of the best seven images by himself and the two men warnings coming up like this ever moment in zack was its history, where just throw like a lot Slant pass: this is it there like. No ran the ball right now. I honestly think it was the recall. I really think it was the recall zack. Will in nine games last year only had two games in which he had more touchdowns. In interceptions I mean he sucks. So even with brees hall and garrett, wilson on the field and frankly I I had not watched an lizard play very much, and I liked how he looked too. I was like this is a weirdly could be a pretty good offense yeah and the jets have had very few good offense

isn't their entire history. As you know, the defense was really fun yeah, but I mean they're they're they're, going to they're going to hurt a couple of quarterbacks this year. They're so fast was so your wins. The first jet season, your member, like you, can't amber you weren't. There richer tat, dear member gas, that out o Not really I mean I was like sitting about how many made always yeah yeah, So now I was, I was there a single weirdest jets when ever since you can remember the jets, but can you ever member game like that when a member, I remember some losses that felt like that they become the content. I getting last night from a lot of people, was not a jets win, but a giant loss that the sean jackson pont return that when he raced back was ten years ago now. and even remember it. There have been some exciting jets, and but their often mired in awful seasons. So this one was kind of familiar to me you start out. They do that.

While the nine eleven stopped before the game. So there's downplayed debt different bad, the crowd, the crowds, great roy, yours comes out his wing at every play. Our son he's down crowds dead friend, probably an hour and a half to ours, and just I got my god, but then one guy who's, like don't worry guys I got. This is Josh Allen. Who's on the other team is just going to keep giving you gas, but back until something good happens. And then even over time. They get the ball, and I This is a midnight, but our josh out or where the bills are right now, but as I think the jets can get the ball back. I think thought you going to stop a mirror. You are throttling, then the whole game. So you know maybe what's what's the schedule you who do you have this week the cowboys right so you're going to get killed this week, yeah, and then you have the pats in new england in week. Three and the pats defense is good and that's not going to go great either so maybe at when they hit one and two, maybe

the point where you go. I refer away these two games, but we gotta get somebody and by weak for that can be competent, given what we, seen from Zack wilson against bilbil I think they actually have to make a move before that if they want to try to salvage the season they, I dont think that they can lead sack wilson play against a patriot seasons I think. Actually, if you had a mediocre cubey against a pats, just have a rock fight, just just try to win nine six. I think that that would be reasonable work, but we're gonna know pretty soon. If they intend to do anything about this, I don't I've. Did you did you? Did you talk to us a lot about the ox, is that they have year about who they could potentially bring in, because I just don't think they know we did, and I said, dial selects coming up next. I said about the jet step for you, the problem for them is this: was the single hardest part of their season, at dallas home knowing gone home case c at denver. Aftershock Peyton talked all that shit, which was, baron wrench here? But now I don't know what it is. I think I believe what the broncos irregular may it. Maybe that's the one went in

fill in weak six, so you you somehow and are playing three of the best for teams in the way plus new england in new england, a team that's on Zack Wilson, and you know that was the thing but the game? Last night, it's like viewed any chances, then they gotta had to be buffalo at home, said I beds banana though it so at what point the peoples send you the Tom Brady picture with the within the jet setters cause. I started to get it out within twenty minutes yeah, I I got it a lot. I I I had fifty seven unread messages from the injury to the end of the game, because I wasn't looking at my phone cause. I couldn't deal with it and there were few mallory live attack that no one point like sean? Are you ok lecture? I think she was a general they concern. Could she was projecting what would have happened if she had been in that situation, which she probably just what

I hereby daddy aware I was actually had Lamar anxiety just watching that have an area. I I got a couple of Tom Brady images. I do think that would be pretty sweet if he came back do you really think you hate Tom Brady, I on the least favoured athlete, I'm good the brim on, let's, let's I he was still fling into my caverns last year. I don't I don't see. Why would be any different again wilson, so bring it on number that who we are his favorite athletes about that? but the timber is one? Isn't he How many more than tom, Brady Tom Brady is definitely one? Oh, I will actually no number one is chase hotly, who can hook who eyes yea pushed off a bridge like I hate chase up so much jason, of violent criminal in my mind, but number two is bright: ambrady and I would welcome him. I would welcome with open arms, and I would I tell you this. If they sign Tom Brady is true story. By a Tom Brady gestures? And where it allowed so come home town.

You come to new york where you belong. Where are they in his things. I did do as I had our staff photoshop. Picture of you, except in the superbowl trophy with Tom Brady, bilbil jackson, magic it down I pay you bob craft space the worst part was funny yeah now imagine just having to have Bob kraft's body. That would be the worst that could happen, so you have the qb possibilities. You're in there you could be in the lecture Bobby berserk cop mccoy area, which is probably still better than zack wilson, I think it is. I actually would be ok with both of those options. There's like a tirade taylor, maybe your I have to give up a pact for fur somebody. I don't want to call these guys decent, because we ve weep cinema have cups of coffee, yeah, there's a Davis mills from Houston, nato, I'm good, I'm good.

there's a longer neck than I do is Davis male good. I I think that you can't say stafford, because there for the good and the rams by be europe? A wildcard team for all we know is not a prank lays out. That's actually really depressing that they looked really good and the. However, all of those receivers are that I've never heard of who played so well on sunday are going to count him in Allah because he would be obviously a perfect fit. I mean he's very similar rogers and waterways. I I just irene hope that they don't sign Carson once that is a player that I do not want the jets I didn't Is he your right he's not on its? He he's a free agent. He only I'd rather Carson winston zack wilson right. I would but Carson once the all. I'm boner killer in the clubhouse like he's just like the worst hang a freelance guy, so he's just like a little bit better Zack Wilson. Basically, but he's got sack wasn No, I don't make me route for carcinogens exits,

get anywhere what if they signed carson wentz, but he wasn't latin lacquer him niches, dress somewhere somewhere else, cycling to pick one of those sports movies where the girls and the boys team, and they just to have a separate dressing room there should be like a clause in his contract. That says hello allowed ship to be implanted in his brain. The changes it's reality, because then it would be great and he's got all the physical tools that sharing candidate exactly exactly I or any other trade candidates that got thrown around last night and this morning that excited you and. Many times, and I were doing that were doing this last night we were going through all the potential options. She was very strong on jacoby brissett. She thought he was actually legitimately pretty good last year on the brown sees obviate agree plain behind howl in washington. What second cost you a third round or maybe to get your gobi reset this parliament is a maybe a fourth round, her cousin. SAM won the game near that feels like it. Just the most obvious moved me: it's like you basically need a guy. You can throw eighteen, touchdowns and nine intercept,

in a season and you probably gonna win nine to ten games with this team. Incredible kubi sneak guy that's right A giant body can just kind of far forward for have yard. If you were to kobe per se, and you can somehow get through these first six games. I think three in threes optimistic, but could you get sick? Could yet the two and four before you get to that next part of the schedule and yeah jacoby Brissett brees halls him better than people thought they have a very easy schedule in the last six or seven games of the year too. So you you can count on moving towards. They met is gonna, be significantly easier. I if you can get out of there too, and for this actually not terrible me people for their go. Two and four with aaron rodgers ass there already a step ahead by being one. I know I just I don't know, there's probably another. Order back? That's out there that I'm not thinking of you know. In retrospect, there were a couple of jets fans, myself included, who were like, I really, which is cut back wilson right now and take the dead capitan

I like white, that that was the move in the off season was that we know MIKE white as a good backup he's not starter, indiana phobias a good back up, and we know that It is not an nfl quarterback like we learned this and obvious reasons why they didn't financially. They knew they're gonna bring rogers, they knew the need to rebuild the teams and ways, but I mean MIKE white, They know who he is. He would have been wonderful with esteem as long as you're able as stay healthy. So that's painful to think about. Is this a ton of little one centimeter moves along the way that just derailed I thought it could have been a really fun season and I I didn't know it wasn't going. I wasn't going into this thinking that they were going to the super bowl. I was like this is the longest streak of a team without a playoff appearance in all of american sports right now, so I would have been thrilled with a division round game that would have been amazing. You still somehow have your first round peck because roger

is now green bay can't get the first round peck, and I wonder if I could say the ram start out they. I know they won one another, but let's say they go to and for you know, before the trade, their line, issues queer they're not can make the playoffs. I know it's hard for them to fit. probably his contract in there. Now I dont. None of us understand the edifice alaric but maybe there some way we'll do it that that would be Maybe there is there another guy out there that did Mina come up with a guy further If we really wanted to actually pay a premium, I don't really think there's a player that you could get for a first round picked, but it's been explained to me that it's unlikely that they can even trade. Their first round pick that's a condition, all trade for rogers, so I think it right that have to do a conditional first round picture basically yeah

if the packers would probably have to agree to that and not the packers are probably not incentivized to help the jets, because the worst the jets are the better. The packers second round pick that they're going to get from the jets would be so it's a tricky situation. I also just don't think: that a player has begun to become available like what thirty one year old you know and it fell. Maybe jimmy garage hello if things go sideways for the raiders. That was someone who occurred to me because they like they're back up here, and like if you around hectoring relating one in three yeah. Exactly I saw you. I guess you kind of have to hope for something. One those lines, but there's not a lot of players that are like that right now that you'd be even able to have a conversation about. So I don't know man, it's it's tough fits the first four plays Jesus Christ, but I did it is. Alas, this we don't have a lot in common is as football fans the last twenty years by a thanks, thanks for saying,

but we had this happen us and away with Brady. He had heard eight minutes into the The first game of the season he had said chiefs were coming off the eighteen in one season, the last of the giants. This is going to be the big revenge season, but you'd already available, you'd already won You know that I'm going, but I'm saying I knew what it was like to be leg, so fire for the season spock and go oh areas and then its honestly, like like getting assassinated, say: oh my god not only are we gonna lose this game, but this guy's getting carted off and my whole season is over and there's no coming back. We have no chance now. Yeah the community's go through these emotions and, like twenty seconds, did you sure you heard the comparison to test the birdie in eighteen, ninety nine, where Benny Oh yeah and the first game of the season coming off the twelve and for your coming off of his best season as a pro digging through thirty touchdowns, like five picks that year then headings that year they were still loaded that key sean

Martin, they had the you no mo louis james farrier D sounds like you are really really really good team problem in an already pretty open. I have seats here that I was here tennessee and plan. The rams. That's right, I think that they were the favor, to where you were when the at the beginning of the season. It was a par cells year, but by you almost be Denver the year before that. That game was pretty close up to halftime. I think at ten point: let's go nowhere. Quarter and tests verde gets hurt and re lucas and require play that year and ray Lucas actually wasn't terrible that season, but they finished eight nate and it was like a dash dream and they were kind of never the same right. Belichick eventually decides to take that job and move. on charlie weiss yossi of that team. He got Healy, and eventually comes back to the nfl, and it's like that's like this shattering of a generation of players. Now a lot of those guys were like twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight- that their older on that team. This just seem like half of the talents we're twenty five, it's just a crazy

election of really exciting young players. So that's why I feel like it might actually serve them. If they make a really bold move to bring and someone who can kind of change. The team, rather than just settle for, like its Joe flak, oh and zack, Wilson and tim boil off. The bench our fingers crossed the idea, I dont believe it you're a silver linings. Sure fc wasn't impressed week, one we sound. I said son in a word about the three best seems or in the usa and He said unless something dramatic, jumps out that buffalo jets game, there's like no good, no great at a seat in the shared just feels completely wide open, and if you get fired up from miami its I walk into a way for an extra money. Since it at a what's gonna borough, you goddamn align casey, they ve receivers might mike we ought to. That. Is that the two teams that I thought did look good?

miami new england, which is just not good for the jets. That is true. I thought If I was in the area of sea northwood felt lot better out of, unlike while the bank the steelers may not be as good as we think, and that's not the case. With the jets I mean the dolphins offense was electrifying, I mean they were. It was amazing. We watch a game like that it was electrifying until this sunday, when papa valid check comes in, puts mack mcdaniel on his name. miss bankes, ok van famous last words on that one, especially since two owns you as I recall, but I forgot frida gets buddy. I think that if the eu is still really tough, regardless so but you're right. It's not, maybe not as as as competitive as we thought was candidates week one. You never does sound like that overreaction time. Silver lining number two. They get jacobus reset Davis bell stay, whoever it is, stop saying that his mental so loaded. The use that put this right the way

The committee was sent to the jersey this morning. There very intrigues by all the other possibilities there they fender when, because we take the solar segment before you came on, jets, were seventy one they had dropped from. I think plus one Seventy eight ed seventy one to when they have ceased in the hours since, from talking to him to you, it's down a plus five, fifty there's some quiet jets action people wonder I maybe maybe there's a little more here, so I did they thinking was good. Actually be it amazing season words at rock bottom, the game. With this point, return touchdown, you want to know you bring in some stopgap. Quarterback She not that bad and then the rest of the day is so good that taking gotta get their cannon. Savants amount Does it give you pleasure to try to raise my expectations so they can allow romania even further and say I just think your team was good. Do you think of yourself?

The saddest now see this would be the safest question, can power rank geared teams that have just kicked you in the balls, the most right now between jets, nix Metz, is the mats in that season to go out the next, we're, probably the most uplifting story, and they just got smoked in round one. It's the exact same story, the jets and the mets. It is two teams that did not build from then effectively over a long period of time did not build a sustainable culture, made many failures in personnel and management and in an effort to weekly rebuild and become competent? They signed old veterans who they hoped would stand up straight and

for tat cut, firstly, co, and it was a little bit different because he bought the team. He was coming to turn this. I'm really quickly and be a legend in new york, sign, mac shares or those who first really big move automobile. It now is not a good move for a variety of reasons and he never came up in a big spot and then also just in berlin or going into this season to forty zero guys who quickly were dealt at the deadline when they were hugely under performing and the jet stories kind of similar. Because as woody johnson was away from the team when he was the ambassador to england during trumps presidency at his brother, Christopher was the acting as the owner at that time, and he was why the incompetent everything he did. He is responsible for the autumn gaze higher in that whole generation, but when we came back woody You know they'd own the team for a long long time. At that point he was like I'm sick of this, like I'm stepping in and we're making Lewis I'm going to spend the money, I'm going to make sure that you know Joe Douglass empowered I'm going to make sure that we are finally doing things the right way, but the missing piece of the puzzle is quarterback, and so I'm going to go out and spend all this money for this forty year old guy

both cases. They bet wrong and that's just not the way to do it, and let me look at the most successful teams in both of those sports. Their teams that are built around twenty eight year old guys are not built around forty year old guys, with the rare exception of Tom Brady. So you know it's kind of pretty But when you look back with Jimmy J was sitting there. anyone, I also is pushing for their car, who, I don't think, is like great by any means, but I think he's be perfectly fine in new orleans and I think they out of the plants this year so both of those guys. the table and could have been had, and I you know I I I said before I do whatever aaron rodgers didn't last few years, I thought you sound like a jerk most of the time, but as a football player is. As long as you've known me he's been my favorite player to watch, I've always thought he was a thrilling, so I could never look at what they did. There be mad about it. I understood I did it and but they both have mets and the jets made huge mistakes. As far as which team has been kicked me in the teeth longer, it's probably the jets the mets, have been to the world series a few times this century it had excite.

don t. They ve made a lot of mistakes in their kind of like pr disaster. Wool met like weirdly, more embarrassing than typical jets, but we do have the knicks do you have yon, is coming to the next very soon which umber excited about you're gonna get somebody yeah disobeyed down of image or one of those guys you I'm I'm I'm guaranteeing it it's a nice guy. I just want to Gaza, will I'll irene I like Donovan Mitchell as a dude, diehard mets fan Donovan Mitchell, but let's not put him in the same classes and beaten yeah. I'm just saying you're going to get one of those three guys he's, probably the consolation prize, but I go to new york. That's like saying you're going to get a you're going to get a steak dinner you're going to get a five Our seas, minor, a cheeseburger you're gonna, get yeah shakes her like I like shack, shakes exe I would say it's a gourmet cheeseburger. It's like one of those nice, nice, big fat. Alright, alright, we didn't mentioned jameis winston. I guess we can end on that. Jamis see, do anything, for you

and we basically anyone, but that wasn't your signing up for having to cheat the upside of genius is guerre. Wilson will break there. Giving yards record the season right. The downside is, they will probably go like foreign thirteen of janus because he's just turn over me in an that's actually not with the sea means they need to control the ball. So I dont AMOS. I thought battery last night that sex I hate when people get injured, unfortunates part of football, but that was especially grow, and I sat on twitter, I thought it was the jets highest it's when I've ever seen in my life review, it describes the jets with a three hour when you probably would just play that tape. That came in erected by Paul Thomas Anderson in fairness nineteen out of a hundred times. I don't even when that game. So it's yet to be. Whether the wind is a gift workers, so the perimeter Men call back by the leg whip penalty and then you lose yeah,

guys. I wasn't believes there was a john perry. Is that through the official is whose added that was like go to Hell john pair we don't want to hear about it like the broadcast us now. Nobody, Joe buck, was incredible on last night by the way I thought his call you all the way through. He was really really good, and he was amazing on that last call and within three minutes to have that dip shit talk about how there was a leg whip get off my tv. That was painful. I liked when Joe buck, when he did. That flags, as the guy was running toward the end zone. That, though it cause the I'd, say that's the one thing I want to know where their flags he's been here call a few. Those reminded me a little bit of the last time digs was in a big game like that when, with the division gained at them kings one or it was like day eggs. You know what it really great stuff loved. Your back, so movie question then we'll go. What director would be the director you'd pact to make a movie about a torture jets van posh waiter?

paul trader, appear a man alone in a room and for this keyboard taping goodbye into twitter. How my nearby This is the big picture. We raise our washed and draft that was superfund. I felt like I. But I want the audience, decides: societies If the side over the next two days, I think everybody who knows you and listens to your show knows that you're very competitive, but I don't think they realized you're, competitive and all things not just in sports gambling or predictions for the season they got mad. At me, there was like a five minute stretch: RI wasn't talking, because I was trying to figure out who is going to be next. I didn't know you guys were talking about. I turned to you a couple of times to make eye contact to be like billion away and on this, and you were just zoned out. You were just looking at your ipad, not even picking both of these categories. That was like. I want to make sure that I don't have a blockbuster yet and yeah. It was it brought out a lot of my worst where's. That cloud is no.

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boucher dot com. You must be twenty one years of age enjoy responsibly or guy benjamin, so lac is here. You can hear him on the ringer nfl show, as well as the philly special podcast. We have plus you can him. Every sunday night he launched an awesome sunday com that he could read on Monday morning about the nfl season. So you have the oh baby, and then you have the baby. He asked I meant, If a powers in a baby, this is bad, You know right away. I turned on the tv and also roger. Was down my oh, my god and processed in this, but I once but the abc east piece of this. you and I were both pretty high and the dolphins as a future team as a hey, these I'd still represent. What's here to actually can say, for forestry minds and after week, one with everything we saw their seas, they ate

you know there are no winners and losers when somebody gets hurt like that, but the dolphins are now advantageously position. To do something really great, you believe in them. After what you saw last week, yeah absolutely I that is the best game ass you to apply as a proud. I've been but before might me Jane, it was there I was I was it a to a question or two a doubter, a to a hate or as the dolphins fence. We call me then magazine or gets there. The often takes a huge step forward to expend a than he ever did, and I put a lot of that that ships for that a lot of the credit for that that a broom it MIKE mcdaniels play ryan, I was still kind of a good to a downer to a questioner. He was great for the offense had an awesome skills that was the best quarterback we'd ever seen in that offense, but it was still a lot of my b Daniels magic lot of Tyreek hill. That game against the chargers was the most I have seen to create. He was scrambling was outside of the pocket. He was going through reads. He was making choices and progressions. Throwing the bond covers at last year is throwing it into here. He sure I'm down yet velocity like this was

I I don't want to put I I said a lot of things watching that film that I can't say on the bill: simmons podcast for them to live forever. He will be able to find it back, but I feel forget about those dolphins off everything is a record setting unit to assess our three percent two weeks. I was also encouraged. I had them when they see that the goose plus two ninety its drops actually ask about the second just because I like the odds because- and I think tool was twenty two one for come back of the year, to which I thought was another onwards like man. If he does what he did, Larry lawyer, that's gonna win I've. Never, totally been in on him, but that was by far the best game of an implant mean that the same, why exactly the same way? You added in the sunday com that third and ten four? Oh, he had where they have real pressure. Come then there's format, laughter down, for they need a play, any steps up and then hits tariq like in strive for

yards down the field, then the touchdown pass was also like just elite, just the lead touch via their third and ten play the referencing to tyreek forty yards down the field when he gets to the top of his drop. He separates his hands and he is getting ready to throw because they have an in baker past the stacks, which is like the money route for two other minor, I promise Mcdaniel. He separates hands ready to throw. He sees the robbery safety sitting there ready to jump the route pick six inbound and he holds the ball hitches up and and not just like. Okay, I have to get later my progression. Let me check it down. He goes later in progression down the field. He goes into text vertically, laying down. He was not doing this last year, so it's one game at one play. We can't get too far of our skis, but that is a. It is one of the most encouraging place. I've ever seen from two I was so

Well, I'm doing the play sheet this week, I bring her youtube on to an on that improvement that plays in there. It was such a good performance. Oh awesome, well and at the same time, Jalen hurts is on another tv, just missing, multiple guys down the field. Cause he's his usual, I asked you didn't tell thereafter jail hurts low about, but I am not a great performance for africa birds, yes, so with the miami is this it's a guy with the ceiling at this time, the part, I'm happy, and I know you studied the tape and you're doing the play sheet. So you obviously got a real long. Look at that. Whatever the f the chargers were doing defensively, a tyreek was just wide in eight times. I don't feel like against the patriots of new england and Bilbao check very soon to become the most. Coach and that of our history. Hopefully, next couple years pretty sure there, it's not going to do. The plan were tyreek, just open all over the field by guesses that are going to double team m. Do

however, they can limit him. Keep save these back, make shirt, just kind of however, they make most run the ball the time. What did they chargers do? and that you saw yeah. So the chargers were one of the best defenses against the dolphins last year, right to throw into the middle of the field against the chargers in two thousand and twenty two. He was one for six, this game he was, he was seven for eleven and one part of that success was as Mcdaniel Daniels. Finding new ways to play hide and seek with tyres Finding new ways to get players open in the in that middle of the field, this dolphins, offense last year was was so impressive in large part because of how explosive it was. But it was compounded by how simply They they got to their spots like they ran like the same stuff just over and over and over again, there was a much more diverse menu of okay. We're gonna, put this window dressing in this little bubble, and this little trick on this luck and we're still going to get to our same stop. And now you can't see it come in as early.

it's either they had the the the a lot of emotion as they always do, but they ran their emotional at faster in this game. Instead of having a jet motion, Tyreek hill it's moving and now he's moving across and here he comes across and I was on the other side and we snap it. They would just move em right before the snap just he's in the slot, but busy outside, and we go into giving defenses lot less time to adjust on the fly, and I agree that belichick is going to present problems to mcdaniel that he didn't face with with Brandon staley of bellatrix has got better players like the stars for the chargers in this game. Kahlil mack, Joey, Bosa, Jc, jackson, holy smokes, jc jackson was getting cooked, like they're they're, not rise to the occasion bell. Just got better players is going to present unique problems, But I tell you mcdaniel to me, as, as is the next mcvay mcdonald's, the guy who's, who who's got it and he ran into belichick and the superbowl mcvay did and he he got. You know as his lunch money taken a little bit, but I began again. Can use tirade the way he's using to this point so be successful. I don't know who stops there's offers. I really don't. Do you have

I is the most important non qb weapon in the league. Now or would you have somebody else yeah? That's a really good, I'm stealing that line. That's the best way to stack the best way to frame it for sure. cause. I, like I think, before the season I would have been like off mccaffrey. You know and kind of talk about how the niners run that whole thing, but with tyreek like you, you brought up like oh belichick's, going to put safeties deep. That's the thing about tyreek the moment he gets on the field like every team is charged, we're doing this. On sunday, they put safeties at twenty twenty two yards. Deep, lay you by the presence of ten on the field before the ball is snapped, the geometry of the field changes and you don't get that from anybody else that the threat just the the the the existence of the

wide deep thread of Tyreek hill changes that, though the weight of the field- it's it's incredible to say, cause jefferson had the wide receiver titled dinner last year, Michael lombardi, who is on this podcast nog as t's, been adamant. It's tyreek like he just had some quarterback issues last year, but tyreek is the guy that tilts the field and tyreek when he says stuff like yeah, I'm going for two thousand art is share and you think they'll pay for three hours him for good stuff. If you get the to appease so I think this pads the offences really good, and you saw it against eagles. That was, I forget. We thought better here on the sun, an ipod, and then I watched them stuff on Monday and I'd read all they are the smart guy stuff in all this. peace is that everybody was riding on Monday and I think that the general perception was the pets are good, like the pats defence. First of all the eagles and sublime, which is the best the league they were able to get pressure hurts they saw

issue that they had the last couple years. With these fast you bees, how do we stopped them more? fast enough. With this plodding my backers going after josh out and herds, there was real speed. And then they had a lotta de back flexibility, which they just have before even symbolic, be like building to have five six defensive backs at all times. This has been a two year fix for them and I do feel like they kindly the kind of fixed it how much of that was their defences good and how much of it on sunday was the eagles just that crap I, the majority of it is the patriots defense being good, that the the eagles slice of the pie can't be ignored, that the change from state shane stake in their old offensive coordinator is now the head coach of the colts to Brian Johnson, their new offensive coordinator, who just does not have a ton of play, calling experience, didn't really call plays

nfl level that can't be ignored, the eagles just couldn't get Dallas got her involved and whenever yet, you have a titan as good as got her and he ended the day with one target and no receptions, and you had that that those four three and outs you had those series where they were herky jerky and they couldn't get anything going as the play caller's job to get the star player involved and the fact that he couldn't- I think it's like you know you got a young player colonies figuring out, but in general the majority of the pie goes. a patriots defends the did too. Is really well the first thing they there was in the office it they got crushing. It's all think your white, the building wholly smokes mockery to, but I can solve, has played grape on key are white. What that man vanish know how to drive. The czech fell down, very impressive. I join my lot. A man like that. My last go left sakhalin than Judah and an oj, certainly but Qian white can't wait to get gets lane Johnson had a couple of good raps like he was the player that that most stood out to me in terms that the the young players, so the first thing they did is

is they reloaded and they re toward really well and then. The second thing that they did was is the day I really exposed the pocket presents. Issues jalen hurts the young comfortability there. You don't necessarily have to get the guy down he's a really hard guy to sackings, obviously a good scrambler, but if you do move him off his spots, he's not a great thrower on the move, because he's built like a linebacker he's not like this like elastic beyond the patrick mahomes Lamar jackson is, though he doesn't throw super well on the move and he's not as comfortable doing so. He'd rather be in the pocket beyond his first reading, hammer the ball to AJ brown, and so eventually the eagles got to their spots right, AJ brown, over the middle of the field. They trusted their running game and they kind of hammered the greatest hits and aged out talented the patriots they they. Grounded out over them. Well, when you going fuck it at like success rate, though the number of plays that were positive for each offense. The patriots offense was more successful in this game on a play to play basis than the eagles. Were they just had a bad turnover? Luck, the the

it reads: dead had early scores and they were unable to go all the way back into the game, altogether: thou grape performance in the pages yeah have allowed egos fans of my life at all. Them are really bonds. I like that. It's a bad win and all that stuff, and I really felt like made we we played for Well like there are multiple times that could at CERN in pittsburgh, cincinnati You know the receivers are better they're gonna be able to run the by that? That was one one positive, maybe for the eagles was that the run defence seems like I You seem beggar aims to jacket cats in the middle. There So I don't know that give Phyllis plan minnesota thursday night. It feels a little little scary. the cheese is too obvious in vikings were plus two. Ninety five unfair on Monday. I know that from personal experience- Jesus yes, they are

eagles lost the kobe due to injury in this game as a starting linebacker they're not going to be playing Zach Cunningham, who was about as bad as you'll see a star linebacker bay on sunday, along with christian ellis, who just does not have starting experience. James Bradbury's in the concussion protocol there outside corner to replace him is josh job again. A guy does not have a playing parents are super thin defence away. I know you think I'd stay away. I mean I I took over forty and half quick, then I talk a lot about the vikings money lying just because I think this is going to be a lot of points for the vikings, and then you have on the other side of the ball, a brian flores against Jalen hurts and the after some of the hassles jail hertz's, the blitz and some downforce likes to do Gaspar back get after the passer that I think is to be we're going for the use on thursday in I, like other gotter receiving props on thursday,

the euro gave the thing I got that at some point, but they tuesday, just the head coach. Looking at this happy like what the hell does, god he was living above the office. So if you look at the ape seized, maybe before the, his post united when the division and other plus one Forty there now the favorites buffalo were about to talk to plus one twenty theyve. They found the plus one forty five, the jets dropped, puss, seven hundred and probably should be dropping even worse than that. And then the paths were eighty one and there are no ninety one on fanduel that's my reaction coming out of that Monday night game- and this is, I felt bad for rodgers of opec, for the jets fans, but as a pats fan at some point. You start looking at a gun. We play them in week three, and that was supposed to be this really hard game. And there's got letter the first six weeks and now you know, could be getting Zack Wilson and fox barrow. Unless the jets do america thing, I think that patsy to one is kind of crazy miami

should clearly be the favourite, but I don't know if I trust to either now the odds are as tasty as they were in. It almost seems like that answer the only leg longshot I rather the path the longshot ads are. Bringing those other add some talk me in. Can you talk me in the bud? How is that just a bad game? Would it wouldn't you like now I'm not I'm not pressing the panic button on buffalo, but such a weird game that you can't and move on the bills right now, even with them below the dolphins, and we talked about the salon. I should point taken with she'll. Wear like there are games or Josh Allen makes a bunch of knuckleheads mistakes because he's just trying to be a superhero all the time, and it's like oh hey, dude, like you're, very talented. Yes, it's very cool. You can throw the ball super far. You've got to relax and then there's game. were aaron. Rodgers goes down on the fourth play of the game and uses a as an individual and as a captain of the team have to decide. Hey we're in a play. Mistake briefly. All right when a game on the road against divisional opponent, like the united trick, shot artists. This

I know you're, not you're, not a highlight real ever since that twenty twenty one chiefs bills incredible play off game by thirty six to forty two, the alamo homes our way in every game. Like he's gotta. Do that an end? I get that it was sent to play that game and it was incredible game on the best games. Whatever is unbelievable, quarterback performance but Alan has to the shore Alan has to decide that he's going to make decisions for the sake of the team, winning not for the sake of her hands? If your touch sounds, all three of the interceptions at heathrow were not the head stuck just just plain, in simple, no, you can't sugar quota was just stupid, dumb decisions and to do that in a tight aaron rodgers and allow the chiefs it ma. Homesick, ok, look I can at least rat my head around and justified a little bit yet to create something to do it

in this game where, where, where the moment rogers goes, gets on that cart, you say: okay, we're going to run the football were to control the ball. We're going to generate a lead, we're gonna, make them throw the way back into this moore's gonna win this thing. I thought I was either very disappointing, but that's a unique context. That's like a you know a in the vacuum of week, one! I would not be surprised. You can be too Alan walks out and looks like the absolute would for then he looked like during strikes a glass to yourself. I'm on my way in seem out with the bells. I didn't pick then made the playoffs in their case for them to make the play. Apps was dead a shower said, so they're gonna get ten and seven eleven and sex when you in shielded you're over Anderson division pigs in all that stuff. With the same is she was like. and he laid out all the things I'm a little worried about, but they have Josh out and that's what we always said, but if Josh Allen isn't playing at the highest level, I just don't see a lot of talent with them. I don't think they're bad add, but I don't think they have a lot of impact players and you could feel it last night, like once rodgers went out. It's like alright.

that's gonna run the ball. They're going be terrified it away. They was that wasn't there were still but a run the bomb, likewise I thy house, prize by that. More than anything, the fact that Sean Mcdermott taste that deepens over from leslie frazier says we're going to be more aggressive and then aaron rodgers goes down, zach welles, it comes and the only thing the jets can do I was run the football and their study of an eighty yard, rendezvous breeze holly to drives later right, immediate. That was, that was a sirens for me, yeah one of them. But even that even the last dry, bread they get. The turn over a new leaf what they're doing there. They hate that the jets had decided with four minutes up that game sack was it's not for another pass where good we're just gonna run about, but they are not getting a first down right and then the one time there the thrown at. I think there's two of four left answer that they knew that Two minutes coming. I was gonna stop anyway. It was like the perfect play at the time the bills had that night. ass on the line and you have garrett wilson,

I himself around the laughed and it's a man at there's everytime if exact person is competent, even one percent. This is that and the throw past, but they wouldn't even do that and the bills still lost yet it's. I am from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two, the bills as as former for draft the bills have drafted exactly one pro bowler, I that was dawson knox. He had one pro bowl season, when you're twenty two and then they drafted his replacement, Dalton kincaid at tight in the first round of twenty three. All along those drafts are defensive players right. You have a first round run Gregory resell defence vanderdyke god, but we still need to take this step and gonna. Be the impact by our sakharov. Take on a japanese second round back on buggy bash. I'm right you have. I I. They they brought got Tremaine edmunds into the building, and then they spent a third round pick on Terrell bernard is now starting a mike linebacker trying to make him the the the the future guy there at MIKE. They spent the first round pick entire elam, so healthy scratch right spent a fourth round pick and kwan johnson to be a backup safety. He

In fact, now you got to over thirty year olds endured employer and Micah hyde back there. They have been trying to land on young talent, to retool the offensive line, and then the defense and they have just missed and miss and miss they've, got like some solid players and then, like the game, Davis Peck was an ice pack like Devin. Singletary was a good back for a third rounders, solid whatever, but they have not had an impact players and that's the issue the else, the covered is run bare and now you're really trying to hold this thing together. But you said on the merits of Josh, Alan's talent on games or any behaves like that notion. I should mention the listeners you are reading from anything as you are ripping that off I really want to get you tested in like a new mexico facility to see if you're an alien like percent chance at I about the bells I visited them in training camp at my entire peace was based products like I already got

We find because you guys have missed the conference championship in the last few seasons and everyone's like yeah, we're great we're fine, but you go and you sit down and get to brass tacks like there's. A and and you've talked about this a lot and rightfully so, there's so many ways This implodes lay the last couple of years. It was like okay, the forest hikes, the talent and they're young, and they can do whatever, and they can add that snake and add back now like we're getting to the the part of Josh Allen's contract where it gets super expensive. They're, relying a lot on VON miller coming back from injury, true Davis, why come back from injury everybody's two years, Leonard owner right? You can't talk yourself into gave Davis taking a step as easily as he did two years ago cause you did it two years ago. He didn't take a step, and so it just it starts to get. It starts to get harder to hold on and and that wears on on on on a community that wears on a locker room, and I think the leslie frazier change is a bit of a part of that right, yeah. Ok, I like it. Wasn't it s even was bad, but we have to make some sort of a change to feel like there's gonna be an impetus for an improvement. I didn't have them in the plans, partly because I always

that. I always want to zag and you're doing it. They now in your sundeck on the zag. But to me always a great zag with football is when everybody's, like, oh yeah, the bills are a playoff team and they just kind of pencil. and but they don't actually look at it like what you laid out with that drap. This happened and the patriots twice in the late two, thousands they missed a couple of drafts and it takes a couple of years. But then you feel it when guys get more expensive people leave and the ricky classes post step up and they don't let it happen to them again for years ago. Like the tail, the brady era, heading into the that cam newton season they just it's done some drafts they traded some packs. They didn't, they lost the eye, the flake a pick, and you know all of a sudden. You look at from like two thousand fifty nine. They just didn't bring the talent and then it flip and pupil. I go my god, the pats, what happened and like that we know what happened in the flipside is the chiefs. I year right, the chief snail every every drafted

This is basically the reason they win. The superbowl gazette crushed his strapped under the mobs at that that's one of the reasons on bullish on the path, because not only they get the three defensive guys. You got you mention, but we have a partner to offer their media. They love a great fuss. Second, hang them drafted two events of women who started against a really good equals defence in Werner disaster. So you know I'd like the lifeguards name, that I say something I really do ask D J. How do I get time divide? I heard you say in your rights its when we talk about the cycles of anna thirteen building, We always give general managers alot of credit for building but buildings, actually the easy part building, as were young. We put it on. players out there. We everybody can win a job and training, can't recycling a bunch useless. You can hang around for us. It's the sustaining! That's that stuff! It's the ok! We have our guys, we know and to give them a large car

Last year I was much money to around. We have as many draft exeter around Brandon You mean they lost the bangles in the policies and raise at all. We didn't have a top five paid to spend on your marches and I and that's a little petulant buddies. Right. You know they're not drafted in the top ten less than they do at all of our good player of them. That's been pacing the twenties right, and so it s just a gets more challenging the margins. thinner and when you miss on your second rounders and you miss on your third rounders and you can cyclin that young talent. That, though, the cracks in the facade start to show up or in the pats case, first first right ride that took Isaiah wan to be the left, tackle the future didn't cut it. They took sony agenda First, random, Lamar, jackson, draft. Why didn't cut at you? you go back and theirs. I bid you had ten waves, they took to thailand and a third round. Neither of them could be in the field for one second, that leads to giannis smith, honour Henry and I do feel with the bills. You know data some big swings are running backs right date. They drafted.

I think three running back said the first ironic eindhoven single tariff around back on Zack ma saccharine pick on James cargan trader for name heinz. A lot of capital did you think they do the cooker that good last night is why they are is like a seat unless they're so positive. That cook is the guy like and and it's because has to be because it they went. O re re with all tat. The hundred fax is just egg on your face. It so tough, I think, is the best of the three that they ve gone between single terry Boston and himself, but they're they're, very much trying to make him a thing, and he deserves a few games that, as the established started it come around when he was in a timeshare last season, but I I don't watch James cook and go like wow there's then as they are in Jones. Like I go right. Okay, if I really squint- and I cross my fingers- that I I supplicate the gods that maybe it's the next aaron jones on so yeah- there are the the back situation like damon. Harris is probably the best back in that room right now, which is weird

not yet yet, because you watch be jean you edge, gibbs like oh, I get it back on. I get it. Those guys both those guys are there there are they two of the best like seven backs in the week already just from a making people miss standpoint, I it's in terms of of watching them move feels like they re all, my god. There is so much dear sunday I sell it gives us. free ma, am and gives him the turbine. It's like watching, like that. We as like those does supervene kids play with stiff graders rival, yeah yeah, I will highlight Just- looks like a different cat. They are. There the talent of those top backs. What you can do anything you positional value though the team right, whatever I love, washing them Allah watch play so much they're, so red, so buffaloes got vegas at home this weekend. washed, in whom miami may ago, in london, home yet home giants at new england, home campo, which my

be as easy as as we thought it was for the air and then add cincinnati that surfers nine theirs. Israel is a little easier than may be looked couple weeks ago because, like maybe the giants aren't good. Maybe the brok- aren't gonna be frisky at all, but then it gets really hard that last stretch at philly actually see dallas at the chargers england at miami, that's a gauntlet and they have the b, I think, to make the play ass. They probably have dab eight winds heading into that. Guy seven, you could get away with that. Then you have to go three and three by the. I would not Above all, I went out. That's my that's by exploiting it. I agree with you my by rosy perspective. My rose colored glasses is as a big wake up call week. One it's cable! get it. We can get away with a bunch of stuff right. We can't screw around like they get it. They were all right. kind of hidden allow. You know Alan elbow injury. They were very erratic to end lassie

and then they lose the bangles in embarrassing fashion. But like there's somebody emotions that denmark Hamblin, they had that's the way I like the entire last season, was just like a tumbleweed, a snowball of events, so you come in okay light and you know everything's going to be better in twenty twenty three. We don't have to deal all these problems and all these these huge moments, and then you just face plant on national television. It's good wake up, call like hey Josh grow up and we need you to be better, have offensive line like they. If we're going to continue to have procedural penalties, you're going to get replaced like we are going to improve here. So I I do think there is a world in which we're looking at the bills a month now, two months from now and go and they righted the ship Sean mcdermott. Is objectively a good to start on the deck. They have very talented quarterback. They figured it out and this can serve as a wake up moment. For that called turn. The tiktok camera, so if I gave you the following choices,. Further. Oh, my god, they're having a year from Hell team jets are out cosette

There are not very happy to hear that eligible, but they jets had never done anything talking about people that we expected to do something, and I give you buffalo cincinnati, Kansas city- and I think I think that's it just those three- both her report- and I said one of those teams is in the process of have the year from Hell and are not make the playoffs allow the rams last year when there is a gather and they'll be there and it's like wait. The rams are wanting forwards. Oh oh, wait. The ribs just aren't a playoff team. My pick would be buffalo for that I actually believe in the bonds cincinnati I just in the borough. He didn't have a precision and either We think we expected happen. I would pick buffalo. Who would you pick? I think I got hit by buffalo and- and the bright you said at the bones of cincinnati- is what I agree with that: bengals have talent, they they're they and and again, like being made. This comment: they're kind of a

we just behind buffalo's arc and so they're still at the lake. Oh, no, we lost two players this year. Here's our first round pick we drafted to replace them like they're, still just that that nice cycle of having some some some cheap talent. They just signed a lot of their extension. So they have. They have such good talent, they're, going to be fine and then the chiefs like again from a talent, wide perspective, you could argue that they have as many like question marks and uncertain spots as the bills do, but I've seen them be successful in spite of that, a lot more frequently a lot longer because of the homes than I have with the bills, who have just struggled with that recently so yeah between the big nfc I I would say I'd say it's a if a team really rock bottom. So I think buffalo be my pick if you're good made sheaves with no jones and no kelsey for eighteen weeks about the chiefs, but they're gonna have the guys back jones as Jones is back on his. engine. I know it's a very weird extension or not even extension. Just they got a one year deal don Callis he'll be back. I think that wide receiver room is legitimately abysmal and I also think it's not gonna matter. Why not two quickie questions for whigham, one

there's, been some dialogue today about sports books, refunding jets, bets cause rogers and its. I got at the jets to win the revision would ever where we feel bad were refunding in at. made to be adjourned, but part of better the jets was that rogers is old and old quarterbacks. If you talked about far over me last year, we saw from debris We can only therefore yard passes and saw its ally might at some point. It ends they without quarterbacks and you had to. To that end, when your bed in the jets insect rogers, is thirty, nine didn't look at that year. Old quarterbacks get injured, you no more easy, it's the jets, they ever tortured history. I personally don't think that sports, but should refund bets when somebody gets injured. But where do you stand yeah now, when you back

with season long market, you expose yourself to the sort of stuff like that. That's the nature of yet know the nature of the market, you're betting into right yeah. You thought the jets were like so much better than the market implied. Okay, there plus two for you to win the division, go, find an alternate spread against the bills and we want to make them. You know plus two. Forty now you still wanna lost that because rodgers went down but there's ways you know to get exposure on like. Oh, I think the bill or the jets are way better than the market does without exposing yourself to eighteen games in and a long term potential of injury and a ton of mishaps, but then obviously those bats of the can happen in single game environments as well. So you have to know, like you expose yourself to you can't I I I. I totally respect the game. If I had jets season long, I would have asked for it. I had a lot of garrett wilson overs last night. If it's sportsbooks end up refunding rodgers, I'd like to say that it is too easy, recharge arrows america's I kind of thought he would have that well says scooby, but that's the nature. Bad sometimes hear you take water with about last question.

Can you defend football nerd, hero justin herbert after that? Did my demise terribly horrible. Last drive down to against a man. that, wasn't even doing well defensively Our nerd hero was it a nice spot to to flip the narrative and did not, and I know we still have to go, the author and we bring What a beautiful my numbers- and we talked about- how amazing his, but at what point does he have to come through just gimme the year like two thousand twenty five? What year, just and herbert has started fifty games as the court backlog angeles chargers. You have a gas of how many fourth quarter comebacks. Yes, how many ten Thirteen game winning rise over fifty games you know they didn't have those last year against jacksonville in the play of the then they, then share and weak one in a game that carbonated at home, against my amazing, abc contender, south south sheila ash point eight. I got into this a little bit. We might have yelled at each other. I touch I, the the chargers. Offense put up thirty four points: they were I'd have

if the most successful offenses have earlier this week? I love that were never very bad, that it was. It wasn't one of herbert's best games. I've already missed a couple of rows deep gaps the dad he one. It now There are enough room for me. A map microbes you on Herbert. I thought I replied oh, but it was one of his made as best aims was minded lights out games that he played better their lives. He put seven on the ball in some of the drives where they put three and are able to build, build a larger lead, so Herbert absolutely go back to the and you say x, Y and Z. There is I regret it can now worker, adequate and johnson. We had MIKE Williams on the on the third and goal with coulda gone up by eight could have gone up by nine decoder. Share the word of the justin herbert era. To sought out herbert absolutely should have played better on the last drive. I mean they get. They get thirty twelve yards of, than tat, and then they walk out as a media pressure. Trip. Atkins right tackle, do not play well and then he has called for grounding when,

back. Was there I, like the play of all the above. The exemplary says here that barely parrot the play of the gay with light medina working the rest on asylum, get background and call man hygiene on that one by loving is like answers. This is better than I expected to upload better than herbert. No doubt I heard the office overall played well, but there are terrible that drives. The main thing to remember is that fifty career starts ten. Fourth quarter: guide tallow and border comebacks thirteen game winning dries. This was wonderfully is successful late. He is largest private motor vehicles herbert you should where's the little world series what its williams court. Why is why PA minor guys, I all the herbert all herbert, although Herbert, and should wear william sport jerseys with their herbert on the back, as it sees the ultimate literally pair guy there thou you don't understand. How great is the second I do. Said he's really good. I watched football every and can Jenny went some of these now can can I can we actually see it? Can I go around too?

If somebody's gonna happen with this guy's career beyond, then go nine innate every year and by the way, I'm perfectly willing to bring to blame branded state friends daily. I'm happy to do that. Don't he's a good coach but at some point we gotta wonder, what's goin on here, because he has as much town as borough and Josh and mobs and hurts see clearly in the top five. So why is that translate winds? Stale? I was AIS. Data was rough in this game. This was, I thought, the charges. Defense was gonna, be a lot better, It offers the best off. What does is everything but I really killed they- would everyone at nasa, joy, joy, boatside, non factor. J c jackson bore non than an eye, factor that negative I mean just rosa varies: outperformance defence away. I cannot stress enough herbert codified. An hour to hour played her forget to put it on you and Mr Ahmadinejad talked events had to outline herbert but overall great day for the charges offensive,

awesome, they're, gonna, be read offices here, you're in that failed in way in sport with the herbert jersey, goshenites venza, like we can watch gotta play shit on wednesday and we can listen to you and she'll. An extra point taken on the reunified show, as was very special and then send it. I will get com and the ringer dot com as well great, to see my friend thanks bell. That is it we're supported by nfl sunday ticket on youtube and youtube tv. If you're displaced fan nfl ticket is an absolute must have now that it's on youtube and youtube tv and weak. I was absolutely awesome it's easier than ever to keep up with. I affair retains on sunday afternoons because you can watch for pre set games all at once on Malta view, for instance, we do the early games, you could do bills raiders

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these two companies are going to work together and I don't know if you've if you've come on, since this whole thing unfolded in a way that we can actually talk about some of the strategy's stuff with it, but basically As you know, this is it like combat paper view. Lab events the sports calendar there's some sort of like one plus one equals three entertainment piece of this that we think about this. We can, because we had they this, but you have see you know, pay two. Ninety three was on Saturday night and then had is doubly debbie work with that like, so how are they going to work together and others are open and in question, but had easy going some by the way, what did you think I the main event at two? Ninety three but may I made first about my son- had veto eight meet heads with them, a fifteenth

sterile meat heads going nuts cause, my son was saying strickland's going to windsor goods gonna win. It was amazing, it was the whole event was a you know great and it's been pretty reliable, but I it's weird you have Debbie. Both have their say, or dna and the fact that people will, just by the events not even necessarily knowing who's in the event yet right. It's like you guys and taylor swift, and that's it. told my way. We appreciate you persist in with them it's gotten out of our off the but should we not powerful that is at this moment in time. Look I think if you were to ask Dana white and the forty does, I will tell you that a large part of how they built their enterprise was bay, on our debate. We had built in sun apprised which was hey, make you have said Ninety three, but the main event, Then, once you announce who's in it, hey that's even more on top of that. So if you look at wrestlemania philly, it's april of next year. We want

say all a month ago. So let's say you know nine months for stone advance of the event we ve. You saw that eighty percent of the tickets in a stadium show for each night and ones start announcing matches and along we go from there, the? U S, he's done an amazing job in doing their version of the same thing people realize I'm in the main event, thereby in these tickets him I realise that a million be taking on skype and power, I have in fact not a day. So can you guys, combined on weekends, like what's the strategy with that cause. There's these dead sport spots the calendar where you get leg mid february, you now basically the time in July and August seems to be available there's an olympics and some other spots. Do you have liked mega weekend never talked about that.

the conversations are just beginning. Now everybody wanted to make sure that we got all the regulatory buskin place department of justice approval, as he see approval, a couple of international rules that we needed, and obviously we got all of those, the conversations are just happening now, but yes, but everyone envisions Can you set up in all star to a weekend, whereas smack and goes on friday and that you have see goes on saturday with the paper view. Inevitably we goes with a premium. at the event on sunday, can you do that from the same city suddenly cost efficiency there in terms of production, but a lot of revenue efficiencies in terms of outside. We think there is well, and you the crews like every the different ways you present the events. Do those things up. laboured and they like what parts they separate. well, certainly not the fighters and the deputy superstars will take say separate as you might imagine, and yes could you

around arousal. Your brought wessner come along can cross from one to the other shore, but that's a once in a decade, if not you no longer type of thing up, but in terms of production, Craig Kevin done, whose with w b for forty plus years, more sorry who's been with. You have C4 over dec It was in charge of all the production there, they ve got a number conversations on those efficiencies, how it might look, how it might work and yet Hopefully we have some news on that, though, in a couple of months, o cryptic answer: okay, what about the tv rights piece of best cause? He has been did this great deal with you have see, which I am sure there are very happy with w he's been do in these different does? Is there a world where it's a one plus one equals three package for one buyer: do you keep them separate or have zaga was an that's called the bill citizens model of negotiating when you're with the us behind which was have you want me bill seminars, you pay acts, but you have to get it

all of these other people and why and z? It's quite a factor. That being said, you have you don't nbc you who is a significant partner of w w? We disney, as you just mention the significant partner of you have see, deals, are not up at the same time, but it is interesting that you have two companies who tend to compete with each other when it was over the fox, the acquisition of the fox acid a few years ago just after that, as you recall it, as we discussed recently the sky acquisition after that, so you know, let's see, let's see what happens, What role with NBC you remaining doubled up your ceasing to be for all our disney, but yes, it can always get better. So, let's say Is there like a brain trust for this? So you have see, I think, comes up before debit obey so's. You have see they're just like hey we're going to do there, sir, is now there that leg is vince in that error. You in that whose, in that it's a during the recent been october? Twenty four you alleys,

about a year later, oh god, had around just yet I'm all just ten years ago. I would remember that correctly Listen, you and me. Both. I'm only trailing you couple years here and I note to digress from I mean when you say my son, and I said this on the last time I did your podcast, which I think was january. When you say my son had a couple of his meathead buddies over to watch. You have seen two ninety three, I do remember when he was doing selling moves on the bed in your hotel room and Russell Mary Alice, which was a mere eight years ago, and now he's this full football player in austin so yeah, I'm trying to put me in a chokehold, then try to do jack jones moves I make the wrestling part was more fun when it was just him and a pillow now now he's using other human beings, chocolate so you know, look what will see how it also job, but I do know were optimistic on the rights for both entities How do you see has been set out and we'll talk about events? He just said back surgery.

had a pretty embattled last four years, but he stayed in the business. He's come back even since the last time you came on his way more involved in all these different things. Here's Dana way, who you know I would say and cut out of the vent score of promoter way. You know. Kind of became bigger than the brand in some ways and sudan. Would the branded as stars came and went? He was always there, which was basically would would vince has been since the mid eighties. How do you see thus to work together and would have been there early reports on how they ve collaborated. So I think a couple things when Dana put out a quote when the steel was announced was for just after russell mega away in April. Dana's quote was something see effective on looking. we're working with vents and team vince as a savage in the rustling business. Something to that effect Vincent as complementary about data. If you look at the two,

the visuals to me there, shockingly similar background stories. Both single And household both grew up without much money or resources and both had to fight them. way to the inside from the outside jokes fucking similarities between the two and how they were able to ring forces of nature, build and help build. These This is to the point where they are now so here in all likelihood our work, I don't even like me. and calling Dana widen saying you should do this match up instead of this matter, I don't see Dana calling in saying wise, roman rains rustling so, and so at this event as more on event production promotion. How do you make especially it We demand the biggest thing in the world and I like to think that everyone's gonna work pretty well enough. What is the uptake vince had pretty bad surgery a few weeks ago, and we haven't heard leg from a house standpoint,

How long does that their data has been pretty sparse? How long before he comes back is able to work. can a railway move around minutes. It is late, seventies down. Would it where's he physically? lemme get assume that he's doing it faster than he you'd be doing it with one might say a slogan slow down. But again, I don't think I've been sitting on the dangers in the world. There is any slowing down, so he seemed sleep. Dressing quite well, it was major back surgery, ah he's back on its feet again. This is gonna air on tuesday, the day of the bell ringing. If you will it you'll have in at the bell ringing ringing. belle centre stage the controlling shareholder, w w we I've. Always to an age. Your company. Thank you for allowing it to become our company, but it's a big moment for him. So you'll, be there you, I'm sure, you'll be suited up as he almost. always is, and I shall be ready to go so we

You surprised that this was the outcome. Is I've seen you a futile in person we talked a bunch of times and especially vince decides to sell the company vince leaves the company vince comes back there. With a whole bunch of stuff behind the scenes that we don't need to get into, but then he is basically puts company for sale. We don't know where it's going. Everybody thinks it's going to be. You know maybe it's a tv network, maybe endeavour by it maybe The saudis will come in over the top robot. Nowhere was some crazy offer. Maybe it'll be some crazy hedge. Because everyone's content and instead instead he ends up combining forces with this other. You know where a company in a ladder ways did you ever think that was possible liquid when when did you think that could first, maybe and so then came back in early january of this year. Twenty twenty three,

I knew I had a conversation where I asked him at the time it was a private conversation. He certainly comfortable with me showing them. contents of it. I said: hey to me straight. Are you look to transact, or this what are the side door back into your company and he said I'm looking to transact. If there are real offers there for market value of the company. We're gonna do a deal we engage in a full some process with rain as vinci's baker and a company called mullahs says doubled. Who is banker we wanted to maintain church and state or controlling shareholder out of one of you and the company, a point of view, Shall we engaged in the process it was robust. There are multiple offers at the end of the day, vince gets to decide and as a controlling shareholder. It just so happens to be advance, and we dummy. We both felt that this was the best transaction for the show.

holders and from a long of the company and bulgaria, and you thought I waited. I did. How much of it had to do with vince gets to stay in the action with the deal like this verses, there might have been some other deals on the table where the company get spot and new people get put it I think that was a deciding factor in this. I think events approached it. Hey, I want to make sure every shareholder is treated the same way I vince entreated and it was Endeavour, folks, who asked him to stay in one The process was well under way and bids were already in and all of those things, so it already felt like it was going this way again, once multiple beds were in and Ivan the gracious offer, and I he accepted opposition as executive chairman of the new company. How would you describe this all partnership from the endeavour standpoint, so you have even endeavours

there you have, you have seen everybody there, and then you have you guys that be debbie here, there's gonna be situations where somebody's gonna have to make a call right. Does me big picture stuff, I'm blank so who makes the collar The item I lose, the dad in the house is in endeavour who is it? What's made in case, you remember that message as your salary tell you how it's got millions that no eyes I I I could figure out how any time there's like committee. You and I have talked about this- probably offline a few times when things are done by committee, when things are done with eight or nine people, instead of just one or two something. I can get dicey, and in this case I can't tell if it's a committee here for three people like what is it show, but where you and I have to say for pre game shows when we would see eight nine

people sitting on a said, beryl, never work. We discussed, if you recall, after the ssc, did big deal with disney, which will come into effect in a couple of years- and we saw the actual big, twelve big, ten hey we're all going to join forces here, you and I were both like good luck to them in terms of who ends up. You know carrying the short end of the stick very clearly the fact. Well, so this one. I think w w. We decisions from ITALY made by w w wait. You see decisions by you. I see armies, the ceo or a manual vince as the chairman of the board, so I dont see decision hurting one company that help the other I'll, give you an example we're going for it, twenty twenty four. You have seen paper view calendar w b premium louder than challenger, as you know We call our events. Premium live events because there's no upcharge in the united states on them, but in essence, they're. What the pay per views were, so dummy the real position is hey Russell, maybe is our superbowl? These the dates that

we schedule we prefer obviously If you have c not go up against that, you are ceaseless yeah. Of course we're not going to go up against that, and then we sorry what dates are important to you. Where are you going from ideally what we like, especially in my opinion, if we look at the international expansion, w w is premium line events they are getting. have seen already expansion. Even the show this past Saturday night from australia. Could see a lot of events that have doubled up he's going at three p m eastern from an international location, you have ceased, at eight or nine eastern tomorrow. It bore the opposite and, unlike a mega day, that's what we like. I because you have to gauge you're too, a merchandise is in theory if you can a government subsidies for the international show or the domestic show you have subsidies and boom. Both events are right there, but by by planning it in advance? I don't believe it trouble over each other in anyway so you're saying like you have saved, could be in london

at ten a m in the morning pacific time, and then you guys are an alive paper view of five o clock. just like were blown it out, it's, not exaggerate whatever it is. You just think what surprise? do as you got to learn more about the you. You have seized business that you didn't know. I want no data for a while and I've known a number of folks. Their credit bore sorry I mentioned earlier on turkey. for a while, but they always anything the surprises people who don't necessarily know them or no the doubly doubly folks. They all act with humility and it's sort of like a we put in a lot of work to build a stronger, not, but we want to get better and I think It's always been the mentality, a w w we rather than double We say a word of it. You eat, you know where the best in sports and its aim at usc say where you have said we dominate no combat sports. It's not that way. It's been quite polite spent

reductive and assume their moments down the road? Not ever relationship is playing all the time as you know, but I do think the relationships productive, all the time, The goal is to make tl a better enterprise. The shareholders, the stock price and the stockholders, which include a lot of the executives- I had a half ass this, so please Ila boxing We ve had a lot of boxing conversations over the years boxing's in all over the place, it's as usual, others. You know millionaire bouncers bunch of different people. There's all these different promoters. You have You have see peace, the dominant one, yet the Debbie Debbie peace, the dominant one. Why Wouldn't there eventually be a boxing peace under this t care thing which is aimed to care which, by the way, is a bridge box in terms so is boxing next. How about you turn your back on boxing? You didn't gotta Crawford spence.

Now that you big, I was on vacation? I should have gone a profit spencer and then you and your son went to the u of c fight a week or two prior or something to that of the debt, but what that was. But that was because that's what he wanted to do and he now runs my life because, as you know, when we get old, these are the people who are gonna be taking care of us are these might remember. I regret I dont think that doesn't hang over my head off. It's, I don't know my kids are really younger than yours, but I'm feeling that, yes, I do these guys check out on me. It's probably reflection more me that it is now you telling you know we can. We can have that so little forms of boxing we'll see will see what the dude rose you give him now we'll see answer. Where we don't know. Yet this is do we just up and running as in today we got a focus on synergies reducing costs and making more money and then we'll see expansion is on the cards for us. but its wide open boxing. Just so you know that you know clearly from me and we love.

With some other folks are doing we love logan Paul has done in the box space. We love what other folks who done it We love would Crawford's doing any arms. The dominant victory over spend together. So much wrong with that sport and of the other individual sports bill conversation you and I have had previously nineteen eighty four- and you know poops, obviously far far better than I do if I ask somebody a nineteen, eighty four were the most popular athletes in the country are some version of bird magic. Our louis, Lou, Ratan vander, always field evil, can evil sugar ray Leonard Orban, a vigil sports stars. But what happened? as the leagues became the leaks and the individual sports outside of w w way, and so When we anime with the: u have see they all stay, the same, where, if I said to you who's the hundred metre champ right now, I don't know the answer to that question: son ass, a sport that could be faked. then individual sport boxing

a heavy weight champion. You- and I both know it's basically thyssen eerie, but the other guy lucic has three belts and all of his staff. That's a sport that can be fixed. If you have the right people in o n dot process and place. The problem is people in china. Fixed axing since as long as we ve been alive and then before that and there's always been big ideas. I remember that pick burma that damn king one in the seventies that ended up the body I remove levy way, what amount of aid and evaluate the big corruption. That is a great iron king ABC yet bob I you're the head: a baby cease first overnight and stuff What do you remember him? They? Why heavyweight fighter minnesota container castaway couple years ago sky, Do you really want to fight, but wasn't given the decision in source storm batter the ring and it's my standing, but it was Bob arab who called bob eager to say just so you know this is sort of a sham thing.

I believed arab arab was right. They cancelled the tournament. Things went awry between a b c and don king. But, yes, you know king did a lot for the sport, a black man, tough sport, to get into tough or to dominate had prior, you know stuff in his life he came dominated it to say there is also a ton, a negative yes, yes, it's on a negative with that. As you know, it feels like boxing has never been figured out correctly and then you watch something like what the? U s He has been able to do cause. There was a time with you see when it didn't seem I was going to totally work that it was. It can be sustainable because they weren't able to keep the stars. You know and vinci's and says all mindset with this is the complete opposite he's trying to create characters that he can have for twenty twenty five thirty years, you see of you're lucky you get a guy for seven, or so different mindset, but I it just seems like theirs Jesus to regenerate stars of you have said,

one guy. We asked I next guy comes. I think there is a tipping point moment for the euro, seaward tip in their favour and, as you know, that's what all the hard work that they put into it. I think that was may of two thousand and seven may have to face in seven was floyd may, whether against aspirin, delaware, big big, all four boxing It was also rampage. Jackson again, start chuck without rain, cause sailor down. Yes, so I think what happened was because the boxing paper? You did so well the boxing folks like hey, we're here to stay. If you think back to that sports illustrated when it was still sports illustrated it's come. story. Was the fight to save boxing question mark? Would delaware, on four may, whether in the background, the you have see just kept bill in building and building some honest, a new fast forward to twenty sixteen. When He doesn't dana white salt to endeavour

run arousing twice a year on the brenner twice a year brought listener twice a year John jones incorporate presumably twice a year boom. You built an empire, the fight as you know, is amazing. Boxing's are made the problem? Is it just not amazing, often enough and if you look at the, you have seen the effects that my dinner and then it just seems like every couple months. They get oh molly knox somebody out of Ah, and now it's I go down now this guy's a star. Now we can have him headliner paper view, and yet but maybe we we ve talked in previous pads about how hard it is to build stars and keep stars and wrestling and debbie for these things ebb and flow. The little like basketball for whatever reason the last couple years, Debbie Debbie is just crushing stars in the avenue I get same asean and yet Ella night, and they Jesse's people that become a list. And then there's other years. You go back in time. You think like man back, I was

the second biggest somerset events or wow that way the tag team match where it was just clearly they didn't have enough stars, but you guys are in the boom now. So you have c seems like it's more sustainable, but I would say, this is one of the better that be doubly stretches right now, four star power right of asia we think so I also think gum you mentioned a late night. I think would prove and in combat sports is the next one never looks like the last one, so you see folks that either we included you get a job Siena ends. Part of the thought is: are we just need to find the next shots dinner? There is known John singer: yeah right, next whenever looks like the last one. If you look at the new have see same back so when you o connor Macgregor. You know who obviously a mega star in terms of market ability and then the good dare until came around and it was Until is gonna be the next conor mcgregor was never going to be a next on a break. If you look at boxes

whenever moors? Looking for the next moment, I we didn't look like marvin away immigration or a letter, whereas from an x, ray leonard, didn't look like re letter, you look like an incisive and then ask your floor pacquiao whatever that might have been, so I think sometimes one or an entity can become fixated on this is our next sullen. So I've never seen a work allay nights, the first delay night and that's portal, We think that he's resonating yeah, that's a good way. To put it either. Ask your floyd patio era, would was cause it was happening. I don't look back at nearly as finely as I do. You know the the. haggard hearn site that all stretcher would Ali had with the heavyweights or even how weird the heavyweight division on their early nineties when, like you know, thyssen I've been in power back in and wholly fear than riddick bow and just it just seemed like we were having awesome fights every couple months and it was it just felt like it was back. I I look back at those two, thousands, especially the then you throw the

which goes in annex I have men wasn't what was in great then, all of a sudden it came back again. I would go as I see it the same way, so you know yet you know when you're on tiktok or at least No tik tok is listening because every time I go on, there's like the w w we were, but you have created a boxing club or like a dog chasing another door. Gotta know what that one is all about, but it's something like that. So if you look back to that error, you just talk about an boxing everyone for everyone, and here you can see already phone number for linux. Louis we yeah riddick both for tangible out its weiss, anything always real three times and those are all wars and only feel fine. everybody and then all bill. We literally fine everybody. I everybody he would walk at the parking lot by people. Don't and by the way, the site, or you got lennox louis tommy, morrison of ray mercer. All of these, other guys, and you look at it with, as you said, may, whether turkey up does it

really, do you really think it about perreira morale us from the early two, thousands just only a resident one has to fight the other. Was the fight, the other hasn't done that wasn't doing that at that time? Well, that's what I appreciate about Crawford Spence, Crawford beaten, item on was an old school one. Sided Oh my god. These were supposed to be the two best, and this isn't close but homage to say I spence response, but the writ that the buck kick in, that he took in that fight. Was why had this fifteen year stretch for nobody wanted to find anybody. Could you couldn't risk that right you, your huh, brand, becomes our yeah you're, the guy, who got crushed by crawford now you're, not you know, you can't open a paper. You know I don't recall seeing a fifty fifty fight. That was, at one sided right, I'm sure there, but outside of that first round, I think for one every second of every round, and I had

not seen such a one sided fight in what was almost a fifty fifty fight, recall that so maybe not a decade. There was like the cowboys giants game on sunday with what, when, like the debit abbe, when they have like this little starboard like with their having now, how much of it is just luck, how much of it is, realizing that you need to give them the newer p or the upper commerce like verses. I just kind of trot now the same people over and over again, because I was back when Debbie gets into trouble, it's a year fifteen and that's like the famous one, his cane, an undertaker, I don't know how many times you could have that that match, and they just had it in a just war. For fifteen years. It seems There are more willing to push who were people a newer faces and put in the cannot address. unproven, proven semi proven people in really big spots, and I don't think that they were now

Thirdly, doing that unless it was out of necessity like during the the same punk era it kind of became out of necessity, Daniel Bryan, like some of those people, and then you go back to the late nineties, famously w c, w crushing them and they kind of have to give these dude chances so What's the mindset now, how did it work this time? I think. lived through what I'm calling just for this conversation, to dominate the stereo, build yeah, so I started with studied a view which is now well over three years ago: height of covert dominic young you know ressler obviously raison was I've seen as re somebody a great kid great young man, but it was really working. I think that the patients that and she all but actual age show with the talent you sought with roman people were not buying him as a monster. Faced If you will, all of a sudden during covert. He came back to the us

what a facility when we were taking down there came back as it. You'll and boom roman range takes off diet stereos, hey, I'm a good sign of re mysterious. Not it was great. They stuck with it. They advance ball the creative team. turn them into a heel and all of us It is amazing the amazing you, and even hear him speak on the microphone, because the book you're so loud, and this occurs in his early twinning. So if he stays healthy and the creative stay strong, in over a long period of time and I think the be sticking with it and giving people were shot to really be the best versions of themselves on the might allay night, Dominic ministerial just to offer them jane you so suddenly there I want to do so shows you know: tag team. If you will over the last year and a half or so just exploded with the blue, wind, storyline, J as a single

former Jimmy as a single performer and roman going to the next level with Paul aim. And of course, I think, sticking with what you think can work is probably a good plan. I would say the two biggest successes vince had in this regard ever were wrong. And when she mentioned, because you now, for whatever reason it didn't hit it didn't initially it people felt like those being forced, fed, didn't fit like the Torah prototype of what the debit abbe face. W w would be they and ate. It was clear they needed a turn him here, which was seen: They never did so they always dance that half of the crowd doesn't like em for the crowd. Does that became the the gimmick with romania really seem something happened to migrants mess, but they stuck with it and, I would say, he's the best guys since, since the rock from

from I had ever seen and get a lot of people are good chance, but four makes girls physicality, though ability to work a crowd That was a slow burn took like I would say for fun. Years now, he's like, I think, one of the best people in the history of the company, but but rock was the other one because rock rock completely failed im right, you know and aid they had, they actually like pulled this character need disappeared and they they I thought it, and then he comes back with the nation of domination and the then all of a sudden it took off. But you know the patience makes you wonder like if they had shown patience with a couple other people, it was just those two isolated incidents, but it does seem like they're getting that less and better like man, this stuff, like us, do you know, could take take months, absurd trip age must be a big part of that right, because

him it took him a few years. They had to look they think about a couple of folks. They, you mention when the rock came in his rocky, my idea for a generation rustlers my leg with the tassels from his arms booze throughout Europe. Worse than booze no response round, yet that the riders in silence a worse, but no and then all of a sudden and I've heard this story from both individuals involved in restoring separately from vince and from dwayne johnson dwayne and had a conversation and madison square garden again raw was a face and rocks Let me go out, let me do my thing. Let me sort of talk I talk and vince some ineffective due it go, get em and it was that night. The rocky suck chance had already started and all that stuff? Where he's I it up and the rock took fire right you saw it was stone cold, so we button

we're stunning steve, was the idea of world class championship rustling in an already you seen w, and it's sort of like. would blondes with Brian torment it. I think about that. We would blondes from a guide, was clearly from taxes, or at least Think when you're watching him clearly from the south bollywood bands- and then he comes as the ring master and you're like lad was just here. austin is a ringmaster, it's not working, then all of a sudden King of the ring, but Jake roberts match You know you can say your songs. You can see this in that often three sixteen today, is, she skyrockets right showed it tends to be that moment where all of a sudden it catches fire and your point with roman with the bloodline stuff when he enters the venue everyone sort of knows the champ is here and here perceived the way that they had built him to be perceived and he's delivered all we got so bad, but yes, pulse extra location with it vinci's as well as long.

The person is sort of leaning in wanting to get better and extreme amount of patients like with any employer if you're young. I come to you and see this is bullshit. I should be much bigger, usually pushing me more and you certainly. What do you think we can do major bigger, I don't know you should figure up but never works in any business yeah. But when someone is actually a good partner, we can work if they have the talent and ass. The bloodline thing is an incredible I and some of them from afar I've been fair to say pretty tumultuous last three four years. I think that that surprised me. The most was staff leaving because it He might she you now had at and have become the anointed. Successor in a lot of different ways and see. Might she really lobbying in the business and that one that one took me by the prize. Is she she gone? They not come back like go ahead as that play out with her

yeah. You know she decided to step away. Additionally, she was on a leave of absence summit stuff started to happen. He stepped out for a moment. She was asked by vince myself by the board to come back. She came back which extremely gracious love for her in doing so and ultimately win came back. She decided that she was ready to go and step up iris. The decision, I wish you hadn't done that, and she knows that for me personally, she's a terrific. Jackie rather than a terrific person. That's for decision, her relationship with bench is theirs and when she made it, I have total respect for the decision. So silly. Out of the business I mean this is like a really smart busy Is she just out she's, not gonna, do anything. I don't know the future euro old, but within says the chairman of the company Paul that have created me and the role that I mean it you know. have any wanted to do something with W. W E, of course, tell me to be with him,

Is that The universe would embrace that. I think she's enjoying some time off and you know the drill, grinding hard as you branded art is. She grinding are to take a few months off. She saw it. will it children? She all, do. I think, she's enjoying yourself. Couldn't you do? I couldn't she come I could do an angle where she in tests are having an affair. Funding has asked away over years about the fact tat it test his brothers. That thing you have so with the with the best of you, expect them to be back full speed. Running a lot of stuff like you dead or you ve thinking he shares with you in you and pollack has ago. What will look? I think, there's always a share with vince. So Are you an example when I started with the company, I would Would you warn charts and always corporate boring stuff, and I said events I since these folks,

work with you haven't done all of that for decades. It would be absurd to put them under me. What what am I going to say to having done? Why did you call the inspector Iraq. We on this issue yeah than she talk to anyone. You wanted any time the market. red and we are the better. The results are, in my opinion and that's what we set out to do, and I think that's what we did. Children's has earned the right to call people about whatever he'd like to discuss as it relates to be doubly weight call me with different business deals that have happened. We'll have a dial, about it he's often in touch with ball on the creative side and that's what he's on so. Let's talk media that for once, and just because I think, you're, one of the smartest sportsmen. Guess I can have on there's been a lot of stuff going on with the sba in the last time you know last couple: is, but especially the last six months where, for the first time may they lived-

the vulnerable and we ve talked about it a few times on this package most recently last week with Ben thompson? Talking about this chart there was the first time somebody really look them in the eye and reside. I don't care if you're with us or not, and he has paying blanket I made a deal in time for Monday night football, which will be last night by the time people hear this and he is paying also did that that deal with the pain and to do the gambling app, which they seem like a money grab more than anything at all like if you're gonna get in the gambling space. I'm not sure why you wouldn't be with the us see here the big ten of the gambling space they went with. I got a second level app basically, but it seemed like a pretty big money price, a ladder. The decision seem to be geared toward Either, saving money or some sort of quick fix financial thing, and I can't understand why so is your theory. So I think of things

We need new and I both agreed the real, the stand off what other end might never end by this of what would be last night's, knew your jets, aaron rodgers versus buffalo bills, game, the reason we both thought. That is, charter, as you know, is primarily new york, los angeles and dallas sore dallas for the moment. The organ sensuous are not big college football cities, as you know it. have you ever see your sees courier, an ally to name, but it's not those are my college football cities. So I thought it was a big flinch. hey we're going dark the first weekend, a college football. I didn't think I was a big deal. I also think it is It really hard to cancel your cable. This is just press a bright. If the call when you get transferred overseas and yeah, you know you pressing buttons and all the stuff, so I don't know that shorter felt any paying off at college football. We those ten days or show that went by

He was always you said it. I said it, I'm sure many other set it aaron rodgers the new york jets on Monday night football ball against the buffalo bills, who went thirteen three last season. As you know, that was going to the real line of demarcation and boom. The deal got done a couple hours before that, so I think you're saying now opinion, this microsoft activision transaction, which the activity tried to block and which accord return, which now microsoft the knack division are going through. There was an article on park. I know, You do some study ass felony and that accrues great there's, an article on pop which later legal strategy for how Michael of lawyers put the owners of disproving that onto the government and I think, entities that are king at possibly transacting merging, being acquired. Wiring say they might have been looking for the next presidential election to say,

is there going to be a new administration? Is it going to be easier to get these deals through? I think now there's a map, so whenever you see companies starting to maximize profit and he bought up, you know the shrill. You saw your company right. What do you do that and I are the profit, the multiple on the profit means more money through the founders of the owners of the company, so when I see disney Doing deals like that. It makes me think that could a final shop be selling more than just yes piano. Looking for more than just a strategic partner for us, then it could be. I don't know what's on the inside of that, but I know of yours Anybody if you go over to warner brothers, discovery and comcast, while he that seems like natural merger. If you can get the merger through. I think it's much easier almost easier, but it's your much, a healthier chance of getting it through now than you did even a mere three months ago, and I think something about the disney apple thing to me here.

I saw Bob. I agree on the stage at that apple conference with the treaty when they introduce a pretty. You know glasses and he said disney, There's gonna be a bell one day. One of those glasses, there's, we know, is affinity steve jobs? We know, of course, jobs asked away. We know anger was on the board there, I'm not saying there. to sell to apple, but I looked at apple. What is apple need? They need the intellectual property so they don't need a b c. They don't need that, but they need what's behind it, so they can put consistent content onto their platforms. then what you already know I found none big internationally as it is domestically does, big internationally. So you put that content. Are, you can sell more iphones? You can increase your subscriber price a bone. Could that be what they look at that? Maybe, but I don't know so. I haven't talked about this in the bud. it's out there upon and disney. Oh, my god. I work out in vat may item on this one, but a lot of bread crumbs, leading this way bread crumbs from

sense of this ammo. I steal that apple made, which was pretty aggressive, interesting creative sports deal right that put am in the game, in a railway and and and I'd. I just didn't, feel as an isolated thing and they pay messed around baseball asteroid than totally work. What did work but though the message thing seems like it's worked a little bit, see that you, the amazon with the full bar. If the basketball coming up in I just like very amazon or apple. Why would you spend could congealing and hours making your own content when your basically the gateway for these people to rent or buy videos are there on the service already or that they're that they're there? And oh, my god, you have thursday night football who would seem like the make more sense for them by the library in the lab sports from somebody else. If that's the case, why wouldn't it be disney? with the s began in some of the other stuff they have. It just seems like Canada. no brainer them from the eiger side. He's a big

things guy. He always has been right, pixar marble relax star wars like these were giants wings that he was I to three years ahead of it, while positive, maybe he's super site that you came back right. Why did you come back? I don't you know like a boxer, How does a boxer come back? I think you'd miss been in the ring, Sir Vienna. Come back. Take big swing. What's the biggest swing you could take apple bought disney? Oh my god, now I'm going to be part of this whole apple, family and it's great for apple, and it's the mood that I would would scare me the most. If I was the other competitors right, the viewer, I dunno Resign. If you care a cancer are, maybe you don't even care about it that much but or a farm? warner brothers nashville like oh, no, those two are teaming up, that's bad! So, I am with you, I feel like it's kind of looming in the background here, but we ve built to your point.

on the mls apple deal I was not paying attention to analyse when it was with the sphere When apple announced the deal at the price point they announced the downward map. It seems odd to me What would you saw was apple when the mls are very capable commissioner, in my opinion of emma last, has done some very good stuff. There poland and, alas, teamed up to get messy. from going to Sally, whereas you know you ve seen the amount of dollar The czechs are being caught for for soccer players there. How did they do it? They teamed up together or rev share upside. Whatever endorsement deal is done and boom messi's there, where he was in LOS angeles a week and a half ago at a sold. stadium, where people were going nuts rattle apple, clearly put in the timetable. Did not just putting their money about putting their behind it also in I think by your looks differences will what's my final chapter, could be a disney. It's not going out and buying a different version of pixar

not suggesting that there is a different version. He's done that right. It's worked, but you don't let them This thing I got a little watered down. They need to pull back on that. They have pulled back on that, even with the marble stuff, you're, seeing him saying: hey we're pulling back on that. So it's not about them and buying new intellectual property. It's about going and transacting to change the entire business and to me would make sense for that in amazon that, as my trade So I think amazon budget, mine which already know their primary I is still. How do you get people to buy on price so whether its thursday night football or whole foods or whatever might be, and yes to disney, that sure I think amazon's focuses on different back. I grew up and I don't really know if there's a lurking like up a calmer and this second we're gonna compared to like a heavyweight division, and you know the EU bodies,

from people who, as we know, is perceived though, as the red or strength keeps going. Some of these streamers area they're gonna. Have the merger figure out some sort of deal or whatever is the different business, I don't know what it's gonna look like better to me. Consolidation seems like it would make the most sense. But what do I know what I'm saying? What do I look in in engender mba thing would be the last thing to that. We need your wisdom on. I forgot my living under the last time and now its september and the sports has become even more more popular. And I could go nineteen different ways, but you're prediction right now? So look. I look for partnership on that also. So, as you know, it square in the? U s, you know two ways: right now is NBC: go to what is now warner, brothers, discovery and say: hey, let's do, let's put it back. Where we NBC you get tuesday night.

you guys cheek thursday night and oh by the way warner brothers produce all the games for us, so we don't have to go and take on that. Adding cause that could happen I'm hearing some rumblings, that does he austrian partner with apple on their backs. to do something there again now foreshadow, would could becoming a far bigger and better transaction. But I'd look for that on. This latest almond and the ideal, because the number that the NBA wants a numbers that they deserve. It's gonna be tough, shepherd under these just to go forward and data. But if you get a combination of four six entities, We are working with each other. That's a widow! he'd been organized and to get maximum financial by. I feel like I'm busy. is gonna, be heard from in this, and I don't know why I just have this like gut feeling that they're gonna be back in some way in and I just don't understand the same appeal for the ten t side anymore, as the cable audience is starting to fly

and nobody under thirty. Even you know like our It's don't even know where channels are so it's only matters. What up iran at this point for people under thirty it feels like. So where does that owen adders teenty fit into that? You know that's why I agree order brothers hustled with that sports app similar, look at it here were here's where you'd watch it eventually that seem like that was the point of that. I totally agree with you. You know, look whether warner brothers, gnp The tv ass true tv, there are other basic cable assets. at a certain point, you're going to see some sort of slow down their surrounding shut, some of em down yet right, so there's only just sought on the charter disney thing. Ok, yes, we'll pay! An increase, eight free austrian and some other things, but they were not gonna, carry free form. Junior whatever it might be. You sought and they see you the first one to shut down NBC sports network and

that's migrate, back content of the usa and put it on peacocks. We can keep the usa I'm afraid so Schreiber right up there was a smart move. You gonna see. I think disney. Do it you're going to see Warner brothers do it because they have to do it and yeah the pitch to the n b, a is not still directv channel. Two. Forty five t n t. You know thirty. and I ain't you want your NBA hopes. You want trawls barkley, you gotta come over this out and if they can get that which I think they will go, have a good chance of doing it. It's a weapon cable generation. It was weird even when he s band was gone for a few days. To have to go to the app for basic stuff is like a whole different choice, righteous first fernand tv here's three hundred taping three hundred years bank upside, but now or the five. seven days when it was off the amsterdam, my tv gotta rocco now I get if I may, as pan am that comes up. Oh here are the boxes, and it was like this force that process

I found myself. I have the time as I m just a second The net follow here somewhere else. I just the moment it became more. located the kind of lost half of my viewing But while we go howard stern, said this on his radio show years ago is like tat five parties at my house. most concern that, like the devices not gonna work, when I envy people over the cannon. Significant flaws of cable, anything you and I have cable or satellite. We ve thought about this. Tell me what other business could you say if I hey bill. Let's get together a couple days, you slota great neck, come to my office, and I'll see you anywhere between Adriana. No Ok, so, unlike hanging out and then eleven fifty five, I got here just as the hales was the signal by known, what's gonna out, he can't make it today. I believe like this guy hey, you know, that's right, that's why it, but that's how it is with cable and said light somehow they got away with it. They allowed other people to enter because it back in my

lazy title possessed and yet when something gets taken away beside you, remember that because you're, not man, other people like I am very, very wealthy person, but when food when meals. When me, went away and coach after nine eleven. They never came back right. It's once it's taken away, I remember how dare you I remember that now you know what I'm saying you you're my friend friend that I knew non red. She became rich red check. Please forget about the money, though, goes you're doing great to sir TE care, whereas were, It's happening and what is the first big thing? That's gonna happen to care after this week. and were up and running where I done all that, for putting the other day schedule for twenty twenty four, obviously next year, you know but we have ensured that we think are the audience is gonna love it and they going be impressed with it,

I give you one idea that might not even worse before we go down. The NBA tries to do this and it's stupid. Nobody cares when they release the schedule. The nfl people seem to care a little bit more. I still don't understand. Egg is only what do I care we too? Oh, my god. It's gonna be minnesota and fully you guys released. Your schedule ahead of time actually felt out be generally impact for, if you had like escape, release day on December ted, nelson cheers everything were thinking about this year, marked these weekends off here. The locations I do think that would work and be a thing. So and ass, my real father either your monitoring, our conversations would be. You have seen about what we want to do to make these things bigger again, Deanna felt draft, get it you, and I were both- are the four Simon Philly, where they took it out of new york hundreds of thousands of people there were

Is there like that? For u of c and w w e that could work? That's something that we're hyper focused on it'd be fun. If you guys had a draft where you just had like six dates, you both wanted and you did like a snake draft did it coined by Dana advance guide august. Seventeen is the number one day here we go from we have to bring out as a full time are consulted, but I know you to wealthy for that actually priced out what you're dilated up A big congrats I'd thing good luck with all this preceded them back at your face for everything yeah right. That's it for the podcast, thanks to calculate and steve thirty, for producing thanks d and job that asean, benjamin so lack as well. Don't forget. Newly watch was a black cat and mouse on the big picture, then so

the movie draft, and I think we're gonna be banging out the first two episodes of the morning show on he's tv because made amanda dobbins you. Now we did season two. We can't What the hell's go round. The sharp sure sees the trees would be crazier but we'll be watch. That today, tuesday and hopefully do in a podcast wednesday or thursday stay too that up see on this data, thursday, with the red, hot, milliner, picks and a bunch of gas as well. Middle of the week, it must be true

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